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Unholy Trinity Down Under: Q&A Brisbane
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- In March of 2015, the Atheist Foundation of Australia hosted atheist activists Matt Dillahunty, Aron Ra and Seth Andrews (under the tongue-in-cheek tour title, "The Unholy Trinity Down Under"). This is the audience Q&A session from Brisbane on March 18.
The speakers' presentations from Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne are posted on AFA's tour website: www.unholytrinitydownunder.com
Special thanks to the AFA: atheistfoundation.org.au
University is such a great tool for secularising people, because learning about the actual nature of reality leaves far less room for magical thinking.
Thanks for the video, I'm glad you shared it. And I in return will shared this content to others. You have a loyal listener.
UA-cam comments section-"Where intelligent conversations go to die." -Seth Andrews.
Not standing up to the religious bullies is to ensure that the bullying continues.
You don't say too much during the Q&A sessions Seth, but when you do, you have so much heart. "Squishy" really is an appropriate name. I'm seeing more than ever how balanced this tour is: you've got "the heart," "the academic," and "the rebel." I greatly admire you all.
Sorry to hear that about your dad Seth - but know we really appreciate you doing this work. The way you bring the community together, your story telling skills - always looking forward to your uploads to youtube. Keep up the hard work!
I truly enjoyed this Q&A. Very thoughtful questions... makes me want to go visit Australia.
Great stuff, guys. Thank you all!
Love these three guys! Awesome video!
How could anyone living in that region not know when figs were in season?
Hi guys!
Would love to see you on the east coast of the Unites States!
Love you all!!
Awesome Q&A, too bad about the feedback. Inexperienced soundtech?
16:54 - What makes a religious moderate? Here's my test:
1. Are they non-violent?
2. Do they oppose a theocracy?
If the answer to both is "Yes", then they're a moderate.
44:00 No, Aron, of course you don't get death threats. They fear you :P
In my experience, the lav mic needs to be close to your larynx, not at your lapel. Picks up far better over your vocal cords, facing up towards your head.
"Sorry about Ray" - The only good Christian apologetic...
***** is there a Q&A from sydney?
Mockturtlesoup1 It releases on Matt's channel tomorrow. I'll also have it on TTA in podcast form tomorrow.
***** cool, thanks.
You missed seeing a 5c its smaller
@43:58 or thereabouts, this question is raised rather often, & frequently there is a slight tinge of disapproval that 'women' don't fight against their oppressors...
The human race has LONG considered females to be inferior, less intelligent, etc.
This situation is exacerbated in ALL of the Abrahamic religions, which currently seem to be the most egregious & notorious for this sort of abusive bias.
As a female atheist, observing that most atheists here in the U.S. are coming from a Christian background, it appears that some pollution of that bias from the Abrahamic religions does remain, due to their Christian/Jewish/Muslim upbringings.
To this day, there is quite an onus on the downtrodden females to free themselves - only to receive criticisms & often insults (even from some in the atheist community) when they try to do just that.
Religions especially take advantage of those who are told by society that they were born "BROKEN"; also ironic since nowadays the religions are largely the ones pushing that teaching in the first place.
And then the religions claim to have the 'fix' for being born 'broken' - being born female.
Great point Seth at @24:00
If someone who believes in the Bible were to really stop and think about the way this book was actually put together it would be very hard for them to not at the very least question it, this I guess is one of the reasons why those who believe in it try to steer clear of this question, which is strange because on the one hand they think they have good reasons to believe this book was divinely inspired by a supreme being and yet if they don't know or care who most of the authors of it were or how it was put together then there's no way they can actually have a reason for believing it was divinely inspired.
For example, if I know people who are incapable of writing any kind of a book and they suddenly get the need or urge to write one and this book seems to make a lot of sense in and of itself in a way that I know they couldn't and this book claims to have been inspired by some higher being, I might then have grounds for looking at the possibility that they were taken over in someway by something outside of them but if I don't know who wrote a book and how many other books or writings they may have done or what sort of person they are, I will have no reason to think that any of their writings are any more divine than anything else they've ever written in their lives because I will have nothing to compare it with to be able to say that this is not just their ideas that are being expressed in the book.
If something is designated as 'divinely inspired' then presumably the people who give it that designation have a concept of what is NOT divinely inspired otherwise it's a meaningless thing to say, you could just say that any writing is divinely inspired, the committee that actually put the Bible together as we know it today give or take further amendments etc must have had a criteria for deciding what was divinely inspired which is why they rejected certain books from being in the Bible as we know but here's the problem, who gave that committee the authority to decide which books were of God and which weren't?, did this God himself choose them?, if so then where are the records in the Bible or anywhere that tell us who God would choose to put together all the writings?, there aren't any of course, so this committee was self appointed, human beings who took it upon themselves to decide (in their opinion) which scrolls had a supreme being behind them and which didn't, this is where the whole thing falls down like a house of cards and unless someone can give me a good reason why I or anyone should trust the judgement of the Canon who selected and put together the Bible of today then there's no point in them telling me 'the Bible is the word of God' blah blah blah because it clearly isn't, it's the word of men, that's all that has been established.
I was brought up catholic. When I grew up and started exploring religion I read a book called "who wrote the bible " I became atheist almost immediately not just because I had gained the knowledge that we don't for the most part know who wrote or when it was written and very little historical mention outside of the bible. Oh and being lied to for years about Catholicism and religion in general. Life is so much better not living a lie
Enjoy these Q & A videos over lectures. Get a taste what average atheists are thinking.
Including in comments, where some who abandoned religion yet cannot abandon their male domineering mentality.
Come to Europe please!!!!
I think it's cool how Aaron Ra resembles a Klingon. Sorry for the Star Trek geek in me, but that's one more point for him in my book. Just had to say.
It seems they all enjoyed the tour down under and I had a feeling they would.
I just hope they had time to enjoy the country and not all work and no play.
I remember the introduction of the $2 coin...for a couple of weeks all you had to do was to paint 5c coins gold!
Seth snuck in a term I hadn't heard before: apatheist. Basically, "I don't know if there is or isn't a god, and I don't care."
Did you guys run into CJ Werleman? Did he have any new lies to spread about Sam Harris? I really enjoyed hearing those.
Dan D He recently claimed Harris turned him into a newt!
@@AbnormalWrench But Sam got better
One of the few things achieved by the SNP in Scotland has been the banning of teaching creationism in state-funded schools. This is not to say that there has been much progress regarding the continual division of schools into "catholic" and "protestant", however...especially among primary/elementary/grade schools. Perhaps removing this false boundary can be the next (and just as important) target of legislation, but I doubt it ; this is the country that spawned Calvin after all. Sorry about that.
I'd agree with MD vis a vis having people give up religion for their own good reasons rather than having yet more law banning things, except that in the UK there is no legal protection of free-speech, so I'll take legislating against religion over something we never had in the first place even though it's a bad precedent.
Brisbane gave you guys comfortable seats to sit in. :) lol
I never realized that Islam was a "race." I wonder where they got that idea.... :/
BlackEpyon it is some BS the left invented to bash those who point out the atrocities of islam so they can call them racists.
Athrin01
It takes what, a few brain cells, to realize that a religion is not a race? Who falls for that crap anyways?
Damian Eadie
I make it a point to distinguish the belief from the believer, and the religion from the culture. That said, I don't let anybody hide behind societal conventions.
"That's offensive!" is a statement, not an argument.
"That's racist!" is not an argument either, though I prefer to avoid any hyperbole that could constitute racism, as the concept of "race" is next to meaningless from a genetic standpoint.
The person offended owns the offense.
+BlackEpyon I get that. I try to apply the 'Hate the Sin and Love the Sinner' approach myself on most occasions and go lightly on them... but that falls apart sometimes when I deal with arrogant and wilful ignorance :-) You're right too - that race is unsound as a concept, but then what is it about 'races' that freak each other out? It's more the perceived differences in behaviour/values I think - which is for the most part cultural. (and that is not just country of course, I'm thinking how Beverly Hills and South Central have cultures / subcultures)...
Anyway, the trends in law are different - so when someone says you are racist, they may mean something different to what we think it should mean... We should still take their thinking/feelings into account even if they are mistaken, confused or as some are, downright dishonest.
Damian Eadie
I would think that lawyers would know better than to confuse race with religion. I hope they're not all like that, or I might have to take them back to school on basic definitions.
Regardless, I do not hold any idea above criticism, regardless of who holds it. And I expect that standard to be applied to me as well.
The paygap is real but its much smaller than 28%
Matt still needs to try harder not to humiliate people on knowledge and vocabulary issues. There is a A HUGE education gap in America (also here in Canada) and we need to be shown to be the more caring ones. Agressively showing someone wrong rarely wins arguments (in such a person's view). Most Christians I heard on matt's show, I felt, wanted reassurance that atheists didn't believe them to be immoral or insane people, which they aren't, mostly.
I tried to put a shrimp on Barbie and she slapped me!
Barbie slapped you or the shrimp did?
BIG Shout Out to Australia {hUgs}
Seth, I bet you were quite irritated by the feedback throughout the exchange. You are a radio guy and techy with sound, hence the quality of your productions. I could feel you writhing in pain. I am sensitive to it as well, being a musician. If I were up there, I probably would have actually walked over to Matt and flung that lapel mic on the stage.
the audio person should not be employed
Bugger I missed this
For one, I'm not offended at all, of the atheist'existence.
Secondly, the atheist always talk of reason, but how can they develop reasonable information without outside revelation to their reason. This is called irrational idelogical reasoning.
An atheist can not define right from wrong and the sense of morality!
Would the atheist give a full approval of the people in prison because of their rational reasoning?
What makes the atheist correct in determing their fates?
built4speed101 Atheism = a non-belief in deities.
Simple. The assertion that "outside revelation" is necessary assumes the outside Other. I'm guessing that, in your case, that Other has a specific name and specific characteristics.
The atheist simply says, "Demonstrate that this Other exists." So far, we remain stuck with apologist acrobatics like the one presented above.
Moral/ethical behaviors are explainable and observable in the evolutionary model. Prisoners are imprisoned because human beings developed codes and courts of law. (Side note, the vast, vast, vast majority of convicted felons believe in God). According to the Global Peace Index, the most peaceful nations on earth are largely non-religious (New Zealand, Japan, etc...with the hugely religious USA ranked well below 80). And honestly, if you need an Invisible Friend to tell you that murder, rape, torture, slavery, deception, etc are wrong, the atheist clearly isn't the one with the problem. -Seth
***** I do believe that this is what the kids today call "getting reketed".
Most people in prison are Christians not atheists . Atheists make up the smallest group in prison compared with Christian, Islamic and Jewish believers now I guess that blows your theory out of the water. Bet they won't tell you that in church
Fun times :P
The pay gap is literally like
mike more
It's sad, but matt's strong suite is in the realm of religion... He is obviously lacking some important information regarding the misandry movement they call feminism. If only they knew.
Then maybe they'd identify as Egalitarian instead.
mike more Why would you think your personal account/story is any basis for thinking what you assert is true. Sounds very like a theist argument that they had a personal experience and that is proof of their claim. Statistics say you are wrong -- but hey what do the experts know right?
RhondaH
The statistics are accurate. No one is saying they are not, but the only thing we find to be erroneous is the mere fact that they assert it is misogyny or sexism that is the root cause for the pay gap, when in fact it is a lot more complex. When you factor in maternity leave, the fact that men on average go into fields where the jobs pay more. Some women raise children and enter the workforce late, or vice versa. That's it.
leadnofro I think you arguments are old and tired misogynistic BS BTW there are quite a number of women who never have children thus never take leave. Men also should have leave to be with their newborn. In the US, maternity leave is not paid leave and should be. If men were having the babies, I guarantee it would be paid leave. It is misogyny as men are still placing women as less valuable in every area of society just based on the fact that women have historically been portrayed as property of men, not worthy of being counted as an intellectual equal.
RhondaH Could you point me to the source study that refutes leadnofro statement, please?
bigot. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
I'm confused. Why does "Matt" (if that's his real name), pray so much on his hit show Gold Rush but moonlight as an atheist? Make up your mind.
Having come back to this it's clear Matt dillahunty should be replaced in this trio he's not simply trying to help people out of religion he's trying to replace it with the religion of anti-religion which is just as bad as every other religion Seth and Aron while they both have their own flaws they don't constantly undermine their own arguments and it's also clear they've done way more research than Matt has honestly he sounds like an awful person coming at this with the perspective of having lived through the chaos of 2020 and 2021 and seeing the country go to shit in the following 2 years
I fucking what a better world ...
It's almost as if these guys deny the existence of the atheist conservative. It's kind of sad not having a voice in my country's political process. It's even worse being told I don't exist.
GeuwgleSuxBallz Conservative atheist might be taken more seriously if they didn't post with names like "GeuwgleSuxBallz" - Just saying.
M.A. Ross Your irrelevant nonsense has been noted.
I had no idea atheist conservative was a thing until this comment
Rebecca da Silva We have plenty in the US. We just are not talked about much. What country do you live in?
An atheist who would vote Republican is an idiot.
One of the major reasons Matt Dillahunty is a Feminist is the "pay gap"? The pay gap that has been debunked by every major news source(liberal and conservative) and many different studies. Doesn't sound very rational.
The pay gap is perpetuated by feminists not actually reading the study they site as their source.
Eugene Grewing More women go to college, more women graduate from college, women are more likely to be offered scholarships, women are more likely to be offered an interview and the labor force between 18 and 34 are majority women. I fail to see how you can claim that they have less opportunities anymore. Maybe in the past, but it's important to keep your mind focused on the present.
Eugene Grewing That is the narrative, however it comes down to choices, the careers they choose, the degrees they take, and their choice to drop out of the work force to raise kids, among other more minor aspects such as not negotiating their salaries as aggressively as men.
Evirthewarrior Whatever
Eugene Grewing Solid response, like a teenager that didn't get their way.
Evirthewarrior Remember, as an Atheist you should be skeptical about others' ideologies, but don't you *DARE* be skeptical about *MY* ideologies!
Pft, like, whatever, I can't even.
Eventually there will be no sex as we will be spirit beings. The devil's party will be separated from God's party so the choice is yours!
Well if there is no sex in either place, guess I will just flip a coin
Well it seems most times the people according to religion going to hell are the most fun I'll go there
There is no reason to believe a spirit even exists. There is nothing wrong with sex. I am gay and love having sex with sexy ass men. Your religion is anti human.
Are you guys ever coming to Illinois? I said before and I'll say it again, *come to Peoria....we have great strip clubs! =)*
stiimuli Great? Whooo boy. You need to travel some.....
stiimuli Name three!
lreadlResurrected
Seriously? People are going to argue with me about strip clubs? It was a joke.
I was not being serious in the least.
But if you got three to recommend. . . :-)
lreadlResurrected
Big Al's and Club Cabaret for starters. I've never been to any of the others.
LOL at Matt's false equivalence of abolitionist and feminist. There is no equivalence between a group that is attempting to stop an evil regardless of the victim and outright sexism.
GeuwgleSuxBallz Do yourself a favor and google feminism. Your strawman definition is false.
***** That would not be a favor to myself as I would be wasting my time googling something I am quite familiar with. A strawman definition would be a false definition constructed for an opponent to attack. That does not apply here, as my definition is based what feminists actually do and say. I think that you have fallen victim to the false definition that feminism is for equal rights. You would know that this definition is the opposite of truth if you would follow your own advice and google feminism instead of ordering those that know much more about feminism than you to google feminism.
***** I get what you're saying and by definition most people (including myself) are feminsts. However, looking at the current feminist movement, it is not about equaltiy. "Feminsts" like Anita say they want they care, but instead of just listening to them you have to observe their actions as well.
GeuwgleSuxBallz It's clear you don't understand what feminism actually is. It's about gender equality, not gender superiority.
Gezere9
Either you think women using hashtags like that are representative of the feminist movement in any way, in which case you are severely ignorant, or you're just brandishing your straw-man by cherry-picking fringe elements and purposely misrepresenting the movement for your own agenda.
I've never seen a pay gap between men and women. Maybe it depends on the type of work , but at my job ( grocery store) worm and men cashiers both make the same minimum wage , maybe in management there's a difference but of course I'm not allowed to see the check stubs and stuff.
Also it's absurd to let a man use a woman's bathroom just because he feels like a woman. Whose to say where or not he's a rapist or a child molester and he follows a girl/women into a stall ? Same for a woman. What of she follows a little boy into a stall and fondles him or follows a grown man into a stall and knocks him out with a blunt object or a drug. Just because a women fondles a man doesn't mean he wanted it. It's an absurd idea to let opposite sexes use each other's bathroom. There is no way to keep people, especially children , safe
So what do you do at home?
Another point around 10 mins by Dillahunty...
I don't see why he emphasizes the need for diversity in a movement. If only say 10% of of the atheist movement consists of women, and it's not due to discrimination, it's likely due to simple biological factors leading to a lack of interest. I think it's futile to force "equality" by aiming for a magical number of each identifiable group to be within a movement.
ThePharphis _it's likely due to simple biological factors leading to a lack of interest_
Watch out guys, we have an evopsych expert in the house!
LGBT stands for Liquor, Guns, Bacon & Trucks...................right? :)
Maybe in your eyes
How can someone so devoted to the truth, like Matt, believe in the pay gap. I mean the smallest amount of research into the subject would lead him to the truth on that.
+Archdemon What research is it? Is it sociology and/or economics papers?
Why do I get the impression that Nunya + Archdemon are both male, and don't work for the NHS? My pension goes to my wife should I predecease her, but not the other way around, and unless one does private work on the side, one still earns less as a female employee...
Oh, _that_ unholy trinity. I thought they meant political correctness, multiculturalism & gun control.