I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner and really appreciate your videos. I only see people in crisis so seeing those healthy is refreshing. From a medical learning standpoint, it is interesting to see when someone is beginning to decompensate. Thank you for sharing and putting yourself out there. Wishing you the best!
My son has Schizophrenia and is currently inpatient. He relapsed. He went a year and a half doing very well. Wasn't taking his meds. I think people think when you have this illness you are always psychotic and never have normal thoughts/behavior. That simply isn't true. Love Lauren and all she brings about mental illness.
@brownincel6018 Of course they can. Many pedophiles know the damage that they can cause so keep their fantasies to themselves, mostly. Most psychopaths will never notice their condition and few ever act out. It's just when they do, they don't have the "breaks" that slow other people down.
@brownincel6018I wouldn't say it's hypocritical. It's understandable to be cautious around those with conditions that make them much more likely to cause harm. Better to keep it between yourself and your therapist
Please keep in mind, only one mistake when you become delusional or hallucinate, could result in death. Not only of a stranger but possibly your children. Please be very careful. At this point in your illness I think you can make such informed decisions but a time may come when you cannot. Please keep that in mind as well. Best wishes for you and your family!❤
My parents were very much control freaks and wouldn't let go of my guardianship until I met my wife and fought a legal battle to get my independence. They claimed my schizoaffective disorder would get me killed if I was taught to drive. I was 33 when I finally got my independence given to me, and my now father inlaw taught me how to drive. I got my license and have been driving every sense. Thank you for this story. To many peoples first thought when hearing of a mentally ill person is of a maniac or a criminal. I'm 43 now.
Anxiety disorder here for me too. I used to love driving. It was the only time I ever felt free. Then the cops pulled me over two times for speeding. I never been pulled over even once but instead of a warning they just ticketed me even though I was being super polite. Both these times were less than 9 months ago. I had been driving 10 years prior no incident. Never even come close to getting into an accident. Now I speed out of sheer spite. If I’m not speeding then I’m not driving. I intentionally speed way more than I used to even though I don’t even want to speed. I force myself to always speed. Every time I step in the car or think about driving, all I can think about is all the ways I can kill those pigs if they ever dare to pull me over again. For legal reasons, I’m just gonna say I won’t but boy do I fucking want to so badly. I thought of so many ways. The rage I feel everyday just makes me drive faster and more erratically. I arrive to work every day feeling extremely angry and pissed off. It seriously interferes with my productivity at work because I can’t stop thinking about it. Those assholes took away the only thing that gave me a sense of freedom and joy in life. Instead of looking at the road ahead of me I’m constantly scanning around everywhere looking for pigs. Now I have to resort to alcohol and drugs if I want to feel free. All those fuckers have ever done is cause suffering for me and my family. I have no sympathy for them.
Thank you for sharing. I'm bipolar schizoaffective. My license was suspended years ago after I drove recklessly while having a psychotic episode one night. No one was hurt, thank God. I took a long break from driving after that, got professional help and am now in the process of getting a new license. I'm mentally stable now thanks to my prescribed meds and I haven't had a break down or mania for 5 1/2 years.
I gave up driving 7yrs. ago. I was tired of seeing things standing in the road that weren't there. The fear and anxiety that it gave me was just too much. I thought I could never in my wildest dreams live without driving. I am extremely content taking the city bus. I use medical transportation to get to my doctor appointments. But I do renew my driver's license every 4 years just in case of emergency and I have to drive. I don't miss it one bit.
Thanks for sharing. My brother's license was also suspended because a cop exaggerated in the police report. So little understanding of mental illness. It is easier for officers to lie to get rid of someone who actually needs help. Driving is a big help for someone with mental illness who stays home the entire day.
My grandma should NEVER have had a driver's license!!! She just never paid attention to what she was doing and sometimes made up her own rules. Not because she was old it's just that she always drove that way 😬😳😱
I have a anxiety disorder. Driving a car is the best thing to calm down myself. I do not know how would I live without driving license. I will kill myself if I lose license to the end of my life!
Just having a car is a huge benefit to my mental health. Having a car, I never feel trapped with my depression. I can go thrift shopping at anytime or go get food or see my friends whenever I want. It's huge.
It is really frightening that some people would advocate that your basic rights be removed so easily. This type of thinking makes people terrified to share their diagnosis and symptoms. Thank you for responding to this type of thinking with so much grace.
Someone once told me I shouldn't drive because I struggle to judge car distance at night due to headlamps dazzling me too much. I recently learned that that's actually quite a common thing, and people wear anti-glare glasses. People can be so quick to judge just because it's not something they experience, so they aren't aware of all of the ways you're managing it.
@@missblackwood The ability to drive being taken away from someone can mean they are no longer able to work in many parts of the US. They lose access to medical care other than emergency services unless they have family or friends willing to take them. So it may be a "privilege" but it's also the privilege to take care of yourself and pay your bills.
I think often about folks rushing to hospital after hearing devastating news-- I myself had suicidal thoughts behind the wheel many years ago. My daughter has epilepsy and went years without driving. Not a black and white issue
I was diagnosed with schizophrenia ten months ago and was refused to learn how to drive due to the illness and safety regulations luckily in the Uk they awarded me a freedom pass which is awesome :) and I’m now on daily medication and have never felt better
There are all sorts of people who live with a variety of conditions that may impact their driving. And how many people do we know have driven with fatigue. Too many people seem to think they know what is best for other people and would hastily take away that persons rights or a freedom and label it as a safety or health measure. You seem to have good insight into your disorder and a strong support network for when you are struggling. Thank you for sharing.
no one has the right to drive it's a privelage . no one has the right to endanger other people . one persons rights end Where another persons begin . and other peoples right to not be on the road with someone suffering psychosis supersedes the individual
@@bdegrds She earned this privilege as you deem it just as many others have and has does nothing to be denied said privilege. Fortunately for her and others with similar mental health conditions her rights/privilege are subject to the opinion of medical experts and not easily stripped away by keyboard judges and jurists.
Tonight, I started to experience oncoming psychosis, so I tried using my phone to distract. I saw this video, and I thought it was perfect, so I watched it, and the oncoming psychosis went away. Your videos are calming and well done. I just wanted to share this :).
My 31 year old daughter is schizoaffective & currently in a mental healthcare facility. She has totaled 3 cars in the years since diagnosed but has never been hurt. The first was when she was in psychosis, the last 2 from carelessness. She no longer has a driver's license.
Hi Steve, when you get a good moment you need to explain to your daughter that having meds is part of their life. It's not something you do here and there. For medications to be effective, you need to at least take it for 4-6 weeks for some benefit if you can knock that up into months? More benefits and people will notice. The longer she is on the meds, the better she'll feel, think, and respond to stressors etc. I myself have looked back at many loved ones from where your daughter is sitting now. It isn't glorious or fun. You often play with death during psychosis, and put those around you in danger. Sometimes without even that intent. There needs to be some serious talk that in the wrong circumstance, she will have officers pointing loaded weapons at her. And if they have to make a judgement call not knowing what your daughter intends because psychosis is making her a secret agent or talking to jesus, it's going to be extremely tragic for everybody. What I as a patient have found that works, really really works long term, is taking medications seriously after psychosis, you can slowly reduce meds over time and even ask for a night time dose to avoid being in zombie mode during the day, so school and work aren't an issue and you DO NOT skip doses. But this must be understood. If you get sick? What do you do? You take the meds. Sadly we can reduce medications, but for a majority of us, it's who we are. Make sure to get liver profiles, and blood levels checked often. This can let you know how the meds are doing low key. Are they in the system? Is she looking a bit low on A B or C. But the priority is two things. Find meds SHE feels good on. Everybody is different. There are many different medications because the mind is a complex thing and everybody responds just a bit differently. So don't be afraid to shop around for medications that work. And be honest when you look at your script. At my worst I was on about 18 pills and practically drooling. Currently I take 5 meds at night and 1 pill in the morning - this routine allows me to sleep due to being drowsy from meds, and the half life is usually long enough to be effective during the day. BUT ROUTINELY TAKING MEDS IS NOT A "meh if i feel like it" it's what you do. 80% of people relapse because they are not GOOD ABOUT MEDICATIONS. BECAUSE THEY WANT INSTANT EFFECT AND TO BE CURED. This takes time. Communication without consequence is huge. Understand the why so you can get to the how. Psychosis is a serious thing, and I would perhaps recommend remote work for the mean time since no car, and possibly looking into disability options, no she's not broken or weak. This is provided by most gov programs as these illnesses are regarded as medium to heavy disability. Check your local options. I'm sorry I didn't have a better answer, I'm talking to you as I would a loved one who asked me. We're mentally ill, not stupid. It's not right to see your daughter or son driven by psychosis. For a long time I viewed myself as weak or a psycho because of how others made me feel. When you start feeling good and making progress due to something as little as just taking your god damn medications properly, things start to change. Please to those that read this, make it known that your loved one might be feeling all these things and after being in the ward the last thing you want to do is tell ANYBODY how you're really doing because you don't want to be cooped up in that place for 6 to 7 weeks. Teach privacy - many people jump on social media and tell the world how they feel and think. Problem is, a good part of the world isn't your friend or got your best interest at heart. I see 6 upvotes on your comment and to me that signals 6 parents who love their child. I am proof that it doesn't have to be hard, and it gets better. Make caring for yourself a priority, this is what disability allows. It is the same treatment a sick person would get in a wheel chair, what have you. Mental Illness has no plaster, no cast, no chair. Respect that silent battle always. Often times you'll find a person hold the door open for a person in a wheel chair and its the last thing they'd want and often times you'll find a mentally ill person getting that same door slammed in their face when all they want is one person to notice, just once, we'd like that door held open for us. If I have said anything, remotely incorrect, it was not my intent. Please help your doctor work for you and look for the those dang disability programs that honor free medications or even paid leave for your loved one to recover in peace or lift that $$$$ burden. What are you paying taxes for?
Driving simulates rocking. We use rocking to soothe babies, children and even ourselves. Most of us are familiar with the idea of taking a fussy baby for a car ride to calm them down. So your taking car rides makes super sense. As long as you're in touch with reality. Otherwise it would be a good idea to have someone else drive. I so appreciate your honesty and ooenness
Lauren you hit the nail on the head in that it's not a blanket "yes or no" question. Most people with illness are probably perfectly fine to drive. And even when they are not well it still needs to be carefully considered. Taking away driving privileges from a person who is in crisis will only cause additional trauma, which may be counterproductive to the recovery process. Certainly there are situations I. Which it is necessary, but that needs to be a question of relative safety.
Agreed. This is one time in four years that she was potentially unsafe. Some people drive tired five days a week which is much worse. I personally don’t drive because of attention issues but I would never say that no one with ADHD should drive.
My daughter thankfully is a very good driver and has awareness of when she shouldn't drive due to symptoms or when she has to take extra meds. Thank you for another great video. ❤🎉
I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder 4 years ago when I was a teenager. I've just recently started driving lessons so this video jumps in at a perfect time in my life
Most people on the road don’t have anything going on with them and still can’t drive safely or even have an iota of wherewithal that they are the danger on the road being reckless and speedy. So you should for sure have a license. You seem more in touch and empathetic to the world and people in it than most. ❤
I was in a traumatic car accident and my anxiety disorder flared up so badly afterwards that I didn’t drive for months. But to anyone struggling, after time in therapy (and the right medication!) I can drive to work every single day now 😊 There’s no shame in coping with mental illness the way you need to and even if recovery is nowhere in sight, you are still strong for just waking up every day ❤
Driving is like EMDR therapy for me, I see lots and I get my thoughts calmed down. It also is a practise of executive functioning: I am a careful driver and take driving very seriously, and just being able to do something is very powerful for me
I appreciate you Lauren. You’ve been really responsible it sounds like. I have major depression and anxiety and I don’t drive in the dark and try and avoid rain due to my severe anxiety. We’re all just doing the best we can I think.
You are amazing. I totally respect how you can be challenged by people’s opinions & stay strong in explaining yourself ( people are sometimes quick to judge). You have amazing courage and care to help others. Those who are pointing fingers and quick to judge, what are your issues? As my mom would say “don’t be the pot calling the kettle black”
I don't have schizophrenia but I do have OCD and Clinical Depression, and I also often like to just drive around by myself. I find it to be peaceful and soothing.
@@BrokePencil Thank-you. I've had OCD for around 30 years now. Over time I've developed techniques and ways to make it more manageable than it once was. But it's always there.
Same here. OCD, anxiety, major depression, and CPTSD. Driving is very calming for me even though I do have some compulsions when it comes to getting in the car and starting driving.
Hi I have ocd too. 15yrs. It layed low for a while and then every theme possible hit me during covid and moving. Never knew how ugly it could get. It’s such a misunderstood Illness. I at one point thought I was having phycosis with ocd.
Great to see you in a better place. I do not judge you for the choices you make, partly because you are incredibly self aware 99% of the time, which is as good as most of us can ever be. Amazingly honest and open as ever.
I can’t tell you how much it resonated with me when you made the analogy of someone who drinks alcohol and not having that fact to be a blanket reason to remove their license. I was absolutely offended when I went to renew my drivers license a few years ago, in a new state, and the renewal required me to indicate whether or not I had a mental illness, and it outlined some very specific ones that I had to check off yes or no and one of them I had to check off yes. I was so offended and so irritated that I ended up writing a very detailed 15 page single spaced letter to the department of motor vehicles defending why my mental health diagnosis should have nothing to do with my drivers license status. I completely agree with you. It is an individual situation, and I believe it is up to the doctor and the patient together to make those decisions not the state. Thank you, thank you thank you for doing this video. It was very educational for me and I know it is very educational for all the medical practitioners out there.
When my sleep gets out of whack, and I’m over compensating for unmanageable levels of stress, I know I can’t drive. But I trust myself to make that decision because personally, I am an extremely aware and safe driver. I now never let myself drive if I feel anxious about it beforehand. Thank you for being so honest and open. I just hope you know how much we genuinely love you and Rob and want the best for you two. You are so special Lauren, like a diamond in the rough ❤❤❤
I admire you for sharing your story to help others who suffer with mental health issues. It must take a lot of courage. You're helping a lot of people. I also admire your courage in filming yourself singing with the radio and car-dancing. :) Very few people have the courage to do that. I don't understand why someone would say you shouldn't have a license to drive. You and your healthcare provider are obviously making sure that you don't drive during periods of time when it isn't safe for you to do so.
You are a very sweet person. First, you’re well spoken, second you shared what it feels like while experiencing it, and third, wanting to help others + advocating for those who live with and cope with mental illness. I can see why you take your special ride - it helps you cope, Lauren!! I don’t think you would drive if you felt it wasn’t safe. I’m very proud of your endurance + strength. I knew you would get better!! ❤️
One size does not fit all. Very valid point. The one thing you didn't touch on and I wondered is if you rely on Rob to help you in your self-assessment of your competency to drive (and other activities). For anybody - with or without mental illness - having a sounding board is always helpful. So, I wonder if that's part of your toolkit to help you make healthy decisions that are appropriate to the moment. 🙏
One of my brothers was diagnosed with schizophrenia (paranoid) when he was 17. He has been institutionalized more than once. He is now 42, and driving has never been an issue. Mostly because when he's having symptoms, he's agoraphobic and afraid. He's not going to go drive around. Him not having the ability to drive would decrease his quality of life so greatly he may not even be alive. He doesn't live in a place where public transportation is a thing, and he lives alone.
Thank you for wearing a seatbelt!! Makes my heart happy to see as a dispatcher. It’s dangerous for yourself as well as others to not wear one, BUCKLE UP PEOPLE (influencers). ❤
With my chronic illness (POTS/dysautonomia), I know when I am not able to drive or don't feel like it's safe to do it. If ppl say this about those with schizophrenia, you could say it about a lot of different illnesses. Slippery slope in my eyes.
Just wanted to say thank you to all the inspiration you've given with all of your videos. You're truly a hero to those in this community. I know I am so grateful.
“Having a flow state” Yes!!! I’ve been watching your videos for awhile- I relate to you so much. I explain and process well and I’m using my voice more to give more insight to people who used to be my colleagues (I’m a former school psych). I have complex ptsd and I experience so much dissociation and executive dysfunction that I don’t experience that flow state anymore. Thank you for giving me that language ❤️ thank you for your videos ❤️
Sorry- adding on- also- it’s exhausting constantly defending why you can do things to other people solely because you have a mental illness. I wish people understood this. Every single thing I do or don’t do has to be explained in exhausting detail to seemingly everyone. I can’t just say “because I can.” Or- just be able to do the task. ❤️
" I don't experience that flowstate anymore"....I'm crying...😢 I'm forty-two, and working, finally, to try and sort out my mental health issues after a few years of what I can only describe as a ongoing nervous breakdown. It's hard for me to put words to what is going on sometimes or most times, but reading that line of yours made me cry. I have not experienced any sort of Flow State in so long... And I didn't really think about it I guess like that but it's perfect. It perfectly explains. Thank you for sharing what you're going through as well. Being a professional business woman myself it's hard to deal with, and I can only imagine how hard it must be for you being a former School psychiatrist. Thank you again, my apologies for any errors typos etcetera I am using my voice text because sometimes I just can't type anymore you know?🙂💛
I would love to experience a flow state when driving. I have panic attacks that make me freeze if I think about getting behind the wheel. I only drive if it's an emergency, which probably reinforces my anxiety around it. I think the closest I've come to a flow state when driving is when I'd drive for about two hours (my self-imposed limit) when my husband and I road-trip to visit our families out of state. I know I experience a flow state when drawing, and recently I've discovered I can get in one while crocheting, which I can also do while I'm listening to something. Flow states feel so good! Crocheting is also a great fidget/tactile stim which helps my anxiety if I have to wait for something.
I think this is such a great video and response. You definitely don’t owe anyone an explanation, but I love that you cared enough to give insight and ease some minds
This lady is so beautiful and always got a perfect smile even in psycosis. Your a Good soul n beautiful inside n out you got this and thanks for helping share with people your life as can relate more than you know .
Thanks for taking us along! I cope with depressive episodes by playing the piano or foraging, and funnily it's not the suicidal ideation that stops me driving but unpredictable migraines with aura. Hard to drive when at any moment I might become unable to see.
Hi , I live with schizoaffective, mostly hypomanic bipolar disorder. I am 65 now, I made the choice to give up my license at 60 yrs old as I had my 5th major episode of 3 yrs, and I noticed an increase in my hallucinations and delusions, combined with driving related costs and retiring at 60 into disability pension income. As you have more major episodes it is a fact that you experience more symptoms. I realized it was possible for me to be driving and due a surprise situation such as a road rage driver causing me stress or having a hulucination and swirving to miss the perceived person or object I would be a danger on the road. I took driver training back in the days when it wasn't necessary to get my license, I have no major accidents in 45 yrs driving, but due to the increase in symptoms I let my license expire. I didn't even talk with my psych or therapist about it, I just chose this totally voluntarily. I'm in Albert's right now with my daughter and Grandkids, I did live here for 34 yrs, I still love Alberta.
I’ve been hospitalized before for my mental illness and during hospitalization we make a safety plan that includes warning signs that put me towards feeling unsafe. And then explore more warning signs with my therapist after hospitalization. I do feel most people can identify when they are putting themselves into danger. Great job at identifying your warning signs and recovery!
It was hard for me to even notice I was hallucinating initially, so I was driving dangerously for me. I was severely psychotic, but in denial. I was fortunate enough that I didn't get into an accident. I would stop in the middle of traffic a lot, but not on the highways. Now that I'm aware, I wouldn't even get behind the wheel. I don't even like driving when it's too late or too much rain let alone having really intense visual hallucinations.
My ex crashed the car while he was in psychosis. I don’t think they should take people’s license after an episode but maybe the case manager should put a hold on it for a few weeks for everyone’s safety. You are very self aware but some are not.
@@perrycoffey5410 I have type 1 bipolar and am forever grateful that I live in a free country like America. No one besides trolls on the internet would even propose something as ludicrous as taking away my driver's license because I actually live in a free country.
My sister is diagnosed with this exact disorder, and in an episode, she let go of the steering wheel because she thought God would drive for her and ended crushing into a building....no I don't think People with psychotic disorders shouldn't have a license But I definitely believe they shouldn't be driving in an episode. My sister did not end up hurting anyone that night, but she could have.
This video shows so well how important it is to not fall into black & white thinking around mental illness (which, important to keep in mind, can be a symptom of mental illness, too 😉). There are many illnesses-mental, neurological and/or physical-that can negatively impact one‘s ability to drive to the point where it would jeopardise one‘s own or others‘ safety. Think of somebody suffering from heart issues or epilepsy. The decision of whether somebody who is dealing with an illness whose symptoms or treatment plan can compromise the ability to drive responsibly should or should not drive and who gets to make that decision and how, when, under what conditions and for how long is not an either or decision, but one that involves many factors which need to be properly understood and weighed. Which doesn’t make things murky! Just complex. Your video conveys that so well. BTW, regardless of mental state, I relate to your description of driving offering a flow state. I often feel like I can access a different, more insightful state of mind when driving because an otherwise noisy part of me is nicely preoccupied by the task of driving.
This is a very good point. You never know when you will be psychotic and driving is usually what you do then. I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that either.
I have MS and my right leg is paralyzed, almost completely now, and no one ever took my license away as it was progressing lol … my husband is losing his eye sight … no one ever jumped in and took away his license … we adjust and adapt accordingly but also, you don’t just rip these things away from people, esp when it’s so sensitive and people’s independence relies on it … it’s complicated.
Driving for me can be difficult at times, but I agree with the theraputic way it can be used. I drive when I need to focus and I'm not going "over the edge". IF I'm already in psychosis, driving frightens me and its the last thing I want to do. Thnak you for sharing your journey.
My neighbour and one of my first friends as a child had schizophrenia. I loved her a lot she would talk to me about gardening and loved being outside like me. My boyfriend may be schizoaffective, he has not confirmed that yet. And myself I am autistic, have OCD and sometimes I get burned out it is fairly regular usually depending on what is happening on life. So I really want to understand mental health. Your channel is very good, you are a very impressive person thank you for sharing with the world. I love this. You are very wise and kind.
Hi. I'm Melonie and I live in North Carolina. I have enjoyed your videos for a long time but never commented until today. Like you, one of my flow state strategies involves driving in a certain pattern, just for a little while, sometimes with music and other times in complete silence. I'm lucky to live in a safe place where those I live with can tell if I'm a bit off--like to the point of shouldn't be driving--and they do this because I've invited them to and I trust them because they are my father and his fiancé and they care for me and know when I'm in a strange place. I'm glad you have aa husband who fills that role for you. People just don't understand more often than not.
Hi Melonie - My beloved late sister was schizo and on meds (died from a Johnson vaccine not the virus 2 years ago) but she is with Jesus now and will see her again. There were times she would say she saw angels. I believe her. There ARE evil forces behind the scenes as well that try to interfere. BUT GOD is stronger fear not. In addition her strong faith in GOD kept her very strong and safe. She never drove. I guess those with schizo need to make personal decisions. We miss and love her very much. Be well be safe. Drive safe. Glad your hubby is there for you. God surely is with you. 🥲✝✝✝
I drove my car during my first psychotic episode(I have schizophrenia.) and I crashed my car. I don't drive anymore and I'm selling my car. Using ride share services are more affordable and less time consuming overall and it feels really cool to be driven around while relaxing in the backseat.
Watching snd listening to this video brought up an interesting parallel for me. I am a stroke survivor snd so have had to make the decision about whether to drive or not (I didn’t for almost two years after my stroke) because my brain didn’t feel ready. I am glad that you are so responsible in how you deal with your illness and driving, and I wish you the best as you continue to navigate it.
Just wanted to add my support to your candid sharing about driving while schizo-affected. Makes a lot of sense to me. I originally discovered your channel when researching ECT, which I've been receiving bilaterally for a couple months to help with chronic depression. Starting to see some progress, too. 🤞 Oh, and finally, props on the vampire weekend track selection. They are one of my contemporary favorites. 💜✌️🎉
Where do you live? It is absolutely horrible how the most basic of human rights and freedom can be taken from you on the basis of just having a mental illness. People with mental illnesses should not be treated like second class citizens. I also have bipolar 1 and because I live in a free country (the US) it is legal for me to drive, even while experiencing a type 1 manic episode.
@@juliakrushniccollins9054 I live in Brazil…So if a person has characteristics of aggressiveness, impulsivity, and disorders like schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, phobias, panic syndrome and paranoia, the person will be considered unfit to drive a vehicle. 🥲
@@Idkhenata That's absolutely terrifying! I'm so sorry that you live in a country like that. My car is a huge part of freedom and basic independence for me, I couldn't imagine that taken away. Living with a mental illness takes enough away as it is!
Thank you Lauren for all the videos you have created during this time. I'm so happy to see you rrcovering and being able yo enjoy yourself. Last fall my husband (he also has schizoafective disorder) pass a red light and we almost charshed onto someone. I didn't know at the time that he was in psychosis, he got diagnosed afyer this. He said to me he didnt see anyone or the traffic lights, as if he was in a different place. He didnt say anything specific about driving or not or reasons, he just knows something isn't right and he decided to not drive for now. This video has been incredibly helpful in understanding what it's possible.❤❤
Lauren, I hope that creating this video didn’t tire you out too much, and that it felt good to be out driving for a bit. You did look adequately focused on the road (with hands free device running), so that’s great. Maybe Rob could take a turn at an episode…life from his perspective :-) I also hope the coffee treat was good! A tasty reward for getting out to do a video! Ha! They can break the budget or mess with mental health (caffeine!), which I hope is what you meant by “Rob said I could…” Thank you for sharing your experiences, lovely lady!
I appreciate you so much. It's so great to have your perspective on so many topics. Keep up the amazing work. You are a gift to so many who are struggling with this illness in silence because of the unnecessary shame they may be carrying. God Bless you Lauren! and your amazing hubby Rob!
My wife drove our car during psychosis/mania (on 2h of sleep in 3 days). It’s a Tesla so it has a lot of security features. She’s welcome to drive it again if/when she comes back. She’s welcome back into my life. 🧡
I have always described long drives as 'therapeutic' and I think you do too! I'm very independent and have traveled many states far from home by myself and always loved it! Now that I'm older I appreciate those memories even more 😊 I choose not to drive at nights anymore due to having an earlier bedtime and where I live now there are just too many young people on the road looking for trouble and I definitely do NOT need that! In my early 30's after losing my first husband to cancer I was driving and was suicidal and should NOT have been on the road at all! I just wanted this pain I was suffering with to stop. It took a few years for me to finally recover from that loss, but anyone can be suicidal and driving, and there are far too many people on the road with drugs and/or alcohol! I'd be more concerned with those people! That's why I don't like driving at nights. That and I can't see well without my glasses, so it's just better for me to drive to work in the morning, then safely get home before 6 and to bed by 8 - 8:30. Better safe than sorry ☺Thanks for sharing. And driving is therapeutic for most people I think.
@@dagrun3821 I wanted to know the reasons and basis behind why someone who cares about an individual would pressure them to not be treated to improve their quality of life
Hi thank you for your videos. I have schizoaffective disorder. Iv really scared myself driving recently. I have been struggling a bit today and your videos just just make me feel less alone. So thank you ❤️
Thank you so much for the work you do. I'm working towards getting a diagnosis for schizophrenia and your content has helped me understand what's going on in my life and has given me hope for the future.
If there were awards for extremely helpful, well-explained and presented videos, this should win an award. I do not suffer from any of these disorders, but want to learn and understand. Your use of comparing your right to have a driver's license to that of people who drink, is powerful because it is so broadly true that it should be difficult to negate. I do not know if there are statistics available that identify how many people are killed each year in car accidents due to mental health disorders. Even if such data is not readily found, I think anyone would be hard pressed to make the argument that accidents based on that cause are greater in numbers of fatalities than those that are alcohol or drug related. This is beyond excellent!
I really enjoyed this video. You put more thought into your ability to drive than my coworkers I who hit the pub every night after work. I support your decision to 100%. Thank you for putting yourself out there in your videos like you do, it is very educational for all of us. Wishing the best for you and your family.
I’ve recently discovered your videos. I have bipolar disorder, so I can relate in many ways. You’re very sweet and give me hope on my bad days. Thank you for sharing.
This definitely helped answer some questions I had! I don't think you should lose your license. Instead, making sure Rob and loved ones understand when it's the time to possibly keep the keys is important. I feel you might already have that kind of plan set up with Rob usually and this last time he was hoping he wouldn't have to hide the keys. Not answering anybody's calls after driving away adds another layer I'm sure. I appreciate your discussion of this, and think you should be able to drive, but also think you should set up plans for when you go off grid and don't answer Rob's calls or messages.❤
Suicide trigger warning: Adding that I'm sensitive to this topic bc one of my cousins would disappear and not respond to family's calls, and had attempted suicide several times. Unfortunately she passed away from her last attempt, found at a hotel by tracking her transactions.
This is crazy, I just wrote you a paragraph about this on your last video. I’m glad you discussed it. This video definitely feels like it CYA lol. I went through that DMV medical review because of bipolar over the past 3months and just finished earlier this month. They really tried to take my livelihood from me and I’m so glad I fought for MY RIGHT. Driving itself isn’t a right, but having the opportunity to prove that you’re capable of being a safe driver IS a right. AND if any of US have to go through a crazy assessment process, everyone should. I wished I could have sued for discrimination 😭 but I fear retaliation often with this illness. Thank you again for talking about this! You hit the nail on the head with the drinker metaphor.
i love your toughts on things :) i totally agree it should be a case by case moment thing and not a 1 size fits all thing. a friend of mine with Schizophrenia used to call me when he was on his bike and getting symptoms and asking me things like "did u hear the laughing?" did u hear them yell? and i would tell him basicly if it was the real world (always made him extra happy ofcourse :P ) or his brain. and he would feel more grounded and safe. to know what was happening and what was in his brain. and feel less scared by it. also talking to me i think made him be more in the moment and in the traffic instead of dozing off in his head with the focus on the noices so that could help to :)
I had had to stop my car a few times due to anxiety attack were I felt very lightheaded and shaky. Thankfully I have never had to stop my car due to psychosis ❤️
Please read the book: Could it be B12? So many people are on psychiatric meds because they’re low in B12. Daily shots are needed for long period of time.
I totally understand this. I do not struggle with psychosis, but there are times when my anxiety is benefited by just driving around with no destination in mind. (Mind you, if certain depression is in the mix, I cannot be driving. That's no longer safe, at least if I'm in an ""I don't care" mindset or experiencing suicidal idealization.)
I actually did understand “Circles in a straight line” - ring roads are invariably long enough that if feels like you are driving in a straight line, despite the fact you eventually complete a revolution. Personally I’m not in the group that feel you shouldn’t be able to drive. There are plenty of people who have conditions that would make driving a challenge on occasions, and other people who have no conditions are are dangerous to be on the road. In addition this has to be a judgement call made by you and not anyone else. Aside from when your psychosis bites, everything I’ve seen so far shows that you’re actually aware of your strengths and weaknesses. Probably far more so than others who don’t suffer from Schizophrenia.
I do loops too! It can be very peaceful. For me I think I enjoy the freedom of it. Even if things are bad, in that moment I move smoothly through the world.
I love your videos having seen them all. I look after a friend who suffers from psychosis myself. Of course you should have a driving licence! As for your video about driving with psychosis, I think you should investigate the legal and related sides in more detail. I understand how super important it is to remain independent and how great driving is however the "general rule" or the law in my country is that you should most definitely never drive while sufferering the active symptoms of a psychosis. If your were stopped by Police for a routine inspection and they learned that you were in any form of active psychosis and especially having recently taken a sedative, I suspect that the Police would not allow you to continue driving. If you had an accident, I worry there would be nasty problems 😢. My suggestion would be to take the decision yourself not to drive while having any psychotic symptoms. Psychosis can affect judgment so it is difficult to safely judge one's own risk level for driving especially when there is a powerful personal bias (of course you want to drive if possible and that's understandable). Try focusing on running, physical exercise will always help more and it's good for you 😊 Looking forward to your next video!
Honestly, people should not drive when they're extremely angry, crying hysterically, or extremely tired. Yet they still do and still have a driver's license. I admit I once had to drive with an ocular migraine. It's easy to make snap judgements about someone else's behavior but this a decision between them, their family and doctor - not strangers on the internet.
my ears perked up with you said anthony hendey :') i had no idea you lived in the same area as me and i've been following your journey all this time, i'm so glad to see you're in a better place now
Driving is therapeutic for me, even listening to music while driving and remembering where I was, who I was with especially from an old song really calms the soul.
Hi, I've been watching your videos and it's nice to hear more of what its like. This March, our 11yr old daughter had a phsycotic episode out of no where. She is now being followed by a great team of mental health professionals. We are waiting to here where she falls as they feel she can be either bipolar or schizophrenic. She may fall where you are as the in between. It's hard as parents to see this happen and we feel for our daughter, BUT we are trying to make it as positive and informative as possible for her. She too has been hospitalized and is not a fan... for obvious reasons. Thank you for sharing your experiences... it's letting all of us feel there is life within this all.
Great to see this video from you today - I’m not sure that you need to justify driving while in psychosis - you have a simple, predictable routine and it soothes you. It makes absolutely sense to me and as long as it seems OK to you at the time than just proceed with caution… I don’t understand how people can say that you shouldn’t be driving. What the fuck do they know? Thanks as usual for the inspiration
Hi Lauren. You made perfect sense with all the variables. Here's what I feel, IF one has Self Awareness regarding where they actually are with their symptoms, then by all means give that person Autonomy and a feeling of freedom. That is important for people who struggle. Lessening the stigma they already are aware of. If a person lacks Self Awareness and can't be real with their inner life and Symptoms, it might be better yo not drive at all. Lauren I loved the drive with you, sharing your insights. Flow on🦋🎶
You are so brave making these videos. I made a fairly benign comment on a different channel, and have been pursued by a troll. I admire you so much. Good to see you in a better place.
I was perfectly fine even driving myself to the hospital in active psychosis multiple times. The only accident I ever had was getting rear-ended while stopped at a stop light.
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I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner and really appreciate your videos. I only see people in crisis so seeing those healthy is refreshing. From a medical learning standpoint, it is interesting to see when someone is beginning to decompensate. Thank you for sharing and putting yourself out there. Wishing you the best!
@brownincel6018Deep question
My son has Schizophrenia and is currently inpatient. He relapsed. He went a year and a half doing very well. Wasn't taking his meds. I think people think when you have this illness you are always psychotic and never have normal thoughts/behavior. That simply isn't true. Love Lauren and all she brings about mental illness.
@brownincel6018 Of course they can. Many pedophiles know the damage that they can cause so keep their fantasies to themselves, mostly. Most psychopaths will never notice their condition and few ever act out. It's just when they do, they don't have the "breaks" that slow other people down.
@brownincel6018I wouldn't say it's hypocritical. It's understandable to be cautious around those with conditions that make them much more likely to cause harm. Better to keep it between yourself and your therapist
Please keep in mind, only one mistake when you become delusional or hallucinate, could result in death. Not only of a stranger but possibly your children. Please be very careful. At this point in your illness I think you can make such informed decisions but a time may come when you cannot. Please keep that in mind as well. Best wishes for you and your family!❤
My parents were very much control freaks and wouldn't let go of my guardianship until I met my wife and fought a legal battle to get my independence. They claimed my schizoaffective disorder would get me killed if I was taught to drive. I was 33 when I finally got my independence given to me, and my now father inlaw taught me how to drive. I got my license and have been driving every sense. Thank you for this story. To many peoples first thought when hearing of a mentally ill person is of a maniac or a criminal. I'm 43 now.
Can your dad in law teach me to drive? Jkjk but I'm 31 and dont drive
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Anxiety disorder here. So many people with anxiety can't drive, but I mostly find it calming. Away from stop and go traffic of course.
Driving CAN give anxiety to any of us. Depending on the skill of the drivers around us, of course.
Anxiety disorder here for me too. I used to love driving. It was the only time I ever felt free. Then the cops pulled me over two times for speeding. I never been pulled over even once but instead of a warning they just ticketed me even though I was being super polite. Both these times were less than 9 months ago. I had been driving 10 years prior no incident. Never even come close to getting into an accident. Now I speed out of sheer spite. If I’m not speeding then I’m not driving. I intentionally speed way more than I used to even though I don’t even want to speed. I force myself to always speed. Every time I step in the car or think about driving, all I can think about is all the ways I can kill those pigs if they ever dare to pull me over again. For legal reasons, I’m just gonna say I won’t but boy do I fucking want to so badly. I thought of so many ways. The rage I feel everyday just makes me drive faster and more erratically. I arrive to work every day feeling extremely angry and pissed off. It seriously interferes with my productivity at work because I can’t stop thinking about it. Those assholes took away the only thing that gave me a sense of freedom and joy in life. Instead of looking at the road ahead of me I’m constantly scanning around everywhere looking for pigs. Now I have to resort to alcohol and drugs if I want to feel free. All those fuckers have ever done is cause suffering for me and my family. I have no sympathy for them.
I am an anxiety person too. Bet I can worry more than you can. Driving is calming and empowering as well.
I cant. I have panic attacks being in the car,
@barkpeeler2000 I was in a car accident when I was a kid.
Thank you for sharing. I'm bipolar schizoaffective. My license was suspended years ago after I drove recklessly while having a psychotic episode one night. No one was hurt, thank God. I took a long break from driving after that, got professional help and am now in the process of getting a new license. I'm mentally stable now thanks to my prescribed meds and I haven't had a break down or mania for 5 1/2 years.
I’m so proud of you! 🤗
I lost my license because of my addiction. I’m going on 4 years clean now, and hoping to get my license back this year too.
I gave up driving 7yrs. ago. I was tired of seeing things standing in the road that weren't there. The fear and anxiety that it gave me was just too much. I thought I could never in my wildest dreams live without driving. I am extremely content taking the city bus. I use medical transportation to get to my doctor appointments. But I do renew my driver's license every 4 years just in case of emergency and I have to drive. I don't miss it one bit.
So happy for you!
Thanks for sharing. My brother's license was also suspended because a cop exaggerated in the police report. So little understanding of mental illness. It is easier for officers to lie to get rid of someone who actually needs help. Driving is a big help for someone with mental illness who stays home the entire day.
Congratulations! That is so good to hear of your progress. Good luck getting your license again!
Imagine if everyone put this much thought into deciding whether it's safe to be behind the wheel. I trust you more than most of my friends.
Literally. I've seen many people - especially young people do driving acts or even die in driving acts that were pure delusional.
Boom ! Get outa my head girly !!!!😂❤ Good pickin that up !!! So true 🙏🏼💯💜
Her husband didn’t think it was safe AND your seeing her when she’s “ stabilized “ big difference than when she’s not.
I dont drive because my eyesight
I assess my driving more than most people because of severe anxiety.. it actually makes me more vigilant.
There are millions of drivers who have no diagnosed disorders and they SHOULD NEVER be driving.
I see plenty of people with no disorders who shouldn't be driving either.
yup, keep driving girl!
My grandma should NEVER have had a driver's license!!! She just never paid attention to what she was doing and sometimes made up her own rules. Not because she was old it's just that she always drove that way 😬😳😱
I don’t drive when I’m in psychosis or very anxious. There’s no reason I can’t drive when I feel up to it and my psychiatrist encourages it.
I have a anxiety disorder. Driving a car is the best thing to calm down myself. I do not know how would I live without driving license. I will kill myself if I lose license to the end of my life!
Just having a car is a huge benefit to my mental health. Having a car, I never feel trapped with my depression. I can go thrift shopping at anytime or go get food or see my friends whenever I want. It's huge.
It is really frightening that some people would advocate that your basic rights be removed so easily. This type of thinking makes people terrified to share their diagnosis and symptoms. Thank you for responding to this type of thinking with so much grace.
Driving isn’t a basic right. It’s a privilege that can be lost for various reasons 🤷🏻♀️
Driving can both save lives and take them. Same as owning a knife I guess!
Stevie Wonder should not be driving. The one who sings I Just Call to Say I Love You.
Someone once told me I shouldn't drive because I struggle to judge car distance at night due to headlamps dazzling me too much. I recently learned that that's actually quite a common thing, and people wear anti-glare glasses. People can be so quick to judge just because it's not something they experience, so they aren't aware of all of the ways you're managing it.
@@missblackwood The ability to drive being taken away from someone can mean they are no longer able to work in many parts of the US. They lose access to medical care other than emergency services unless they have family or friends willing to take them. So it may be a "privilege" but it's also the privilege to take care of yourself and pay your bills.
This tells me one thing, be patient on the road. You never know what the driver in front of you is experiencing.
Agree
I think often about folks rushing to hospital after hearing devastating news-- I myself had suicidal thoughts behind the wheel many years ago. My daughter has epilepsy and went years without driving. Not a black and white issue
Absolutely.
@@marystrenke3050Or even positive news. A man crashed into my parents while going to buy flowers after his wife had a baby.
Oh im so sorry. I hope everyone was okay!
I was diagnosed with schizophrenia ten months ago and was refused to learn how to drive due to the illness and safety regulations luckily in the Uk they awarded me a freedom pass which is awesome :) and I’m now on daily medication and have never felt better
Sorry too hear this hope you have a good life
@@perrycoffey5410 thank you for your kind words :) I still feel like I will be able to live a fulfilled life fingers crossed
Can you appeal or move to an area that's more permissive?
You are a fantastic communicator expressing your own experiences.
There are all sorts of people who live with a variety of conditions that may impact their driving. And how many people do we know have driven with fatigue. Too many people seem to think they know what is best for other people and would hastily take away that persons rights or a freedom and label it as a safety or health measure. You seem to have good insight into your disorder and a strong support network for when you are struggling. Thank you for sharing.
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no one has the right to drive it's a privelage . no one has the right to endanger other people . one persons rights end Where another persons begin . and other peoples right to not be on the road with someone suffering psychosis supersedes the individual
What about all those people now on legal marijuana which impairs coordination? What about those with road rage and weapons in the car?
@@bdegrds She earned this privilege as you deem it just as many others have and has does nothing to be denied said privilege. Fortunately for her and others with similar mental health conditions her rights/privilege are subject to the opinion of medical experts and not easily stripped away by keyboard judges and jurists.
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Tonight, I started to experience oncoming psychosis, so I tried using my phone to distract. I saw this video, and I thought it was perfect, so I watched it, and the oncoming psychosis went away. Your videos are calming and well done. I just wanted to share this :).
Apologies if this is a little too forward, but would you mind sharing what it feels like when you're experiencing oncoming psychosis?
@@alexanderslade9400yes me too , I mean you feel it comming on ?
Rob is lucky to have such a strong woman by his side. Best wishes to you both.
My 31 year old daughter is schizoaffective & currently in a mental healthcare facility. She has totaled 3 cars in the years since diagnosed but has never been hurt. The first was when she was in psychosis, the last 2 from carelessness. She no longer has a driver's license.
Hi Steve, when you get a good moment you need to explain to your daughter that having meds is part of their life. It's not something you do here and there. For medications to be effective, you need to at least take it for 4-6 weeks for some benefit if you can knock that up into months? More benefits and people will notice. The longer she is on the meds, the better she'll feel, think, and respond to stressors etc. I myself have looked back at many loved ones from where your daughter is sitting now. It isn't glorious or fun. You often play with death during psychosis, and put those around you in danger. Sometimes without even that intent.
There needs to be some serious talk that in the wrong circumstance, she will have officers pointing loaded weapons at her. And if they have to make a judgement call not knowing what your daughter intends because psychosis is making her a secret agent or talking to jesus, it's going to be extremely tragic for everybody.
What I as a patient have found that works, really really works long term, is taking medications seriously after psychosis, you can slowly reduce meds over time and even ask for a night time dose to avoid being in zombie mode during the day, so school and work aren't an issue and you DO NOT skip doses. But this must be understood. If you get sick? What do you do? You take the meds. Sadly we can reduce medications, but for a majority of us, it's who we are. Make sure to get liver profiles, and blood levels checked often. This can let you know how the meds are doing low key. Are they in the system? Is she looking a bit low on A B or C.
But the priority is two things. Find meds SHE feels good on. Everybody is different. There are many different medications because the mind is a complex thing and everybody responds just a bit differently. So don't be afraid to shop around for medications that work. And be honest when you look at your script. At my worst I was on about 18 pills and practically drooling. Currently I take 5 meds at night and 1 pill in the morning - this routine allows me to sleep due to being drowsy from meds, and the half life is usually long enough to be effective during the day. BUT ROUTINELY TAKING MEDS IS NOT A "meh if i feel like it" it's what you do.
80% of people relapse because they are not GOOD ABOUT MEDICATIONS. BECAUSE THEY WANT INSTANT EFFECT AND TO BE CURED. This takes time.
Communication without consequence is huge. Understand the why so you can get to the how. Psychosis is a serious thing, and I would perhaps recommend remote work for the mean time since no car, and possibly looking into disability options, no she's not broken or weak. This is provided by most gov programs as these illnesses are regarded as medium to heavy disability. Check your local options.
I'm sorry I didn't have a better answer, I'm talking to you as I would a loved one who asked me. We're mentally ill, not stupid. It's not right to see your daughter or son driven by psychosis. For a long time I viewed myself as weak or a psycho because of how others made me feel. When you start feeling good and making progress due to something as little as just taking your god damn medications properly, things start to change. Please to those that read this, make it known that your loved one might be feeling all these things and after being in the ward the last thing you want to do is tell ANYBODY how you're really doing because you don't want to be cooped up in that place for 6 to 7 weeks.
Teach privacy - many people jump on social media and tell the world how they feel and think. Problem is, a good part of the world isn't your friend or got your best interest at heart.
I see 6 upvotes on your comment and to me that signals 6 parents who love their child.
I am proof that it doesn't have to be hard, and it gets better. Make caring for yourself a priority, this is what disability allows. It is the same treatment a sick person would get in a wheel chair, what have you.
Mental Illness has no plaster, no cast, no chair. Respect that silent battle always. Often times you'll find a person hold the door open for a person in a wheel chair and its the last thing they'd want and often times you'll find a mentally ill person getting that same door slammed in their face when all they want is one person to notice, just once, we'd like that door held open for us.
If I have said anything, remotely incorrect, it was not my intent.
Please help your doctor work for you and look for the those dang disability programs that honor free medications or even paid leave for your loved one to recover in peace or lift that $$$$ burden. What are you paying taxes for?
Driving simulates rocking. We use rocking to soothe babies, children and even ourselves. Most of us are familiar with the idea of taking a fussy baby for a car ride to calm them down. So your taking car rides makes super sense. As long as you're in touch with reality. Otherwise it would be a good idea to have someone else drive. I so appreciate your honesty and ooenness
Lauren you hit the nail on the head in that it's not a blanket "yes or no" question. Most people with illness are probably perfectly fine to drive. And even when they are not well it still needs to be carefully considered. Taking away driving privileges from a person who is in crisis will only cause additional trauma, which may be counterproductive to the recovery process. Certainly there are situations I. Which it is necessary, but that needs to be a question of relative safety.
Agreed. This is one time in four years that she was potentially unsafe. Some people drive tired five days a week which is much worse.
I personally don’t drive because of attention issues but I would never say that no one with ADHD should drive.
My daughter thankfully is a very good driver and has awareness of when she shouldn't drive due to symptoms or when she has to take extra meds. Thank you for another great video. ❤🎉
I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder 4 years ago when I was a teenager. I've just recently started driving lessons so this video jumps in at a perfect time in my life
Most people on the road don’t have anything going on with them and still can’t drive safely or even have an iota of wherewithal that they are the danger on the road being reckless and speedy. So you should for sure have a license. You seem more in touch and empathetic to the world and people in it than most. ❤
Driving is my therapy. I understood you on the previous video, and why you did it. It's just hard to explain to loved ones. ❤
I was in a traumatic car accident and my anxiety disorder flared up so badly afterwards that I didn’t drive for months. But to anyone struggling, after time in therapy (and the right medication!) I can drive to work every single day now 😊 There’s no shame in coping with mental illness the way you need to and even if recovery is nowhere in sight, you are still strong for just waking up every day ❤
Driving is like EMDR therapy for me, I see lots and I get my thoughts calmed down. It also is a practise of executive functioning: I am a careful driver and take driving very seriously, and just being able to do something is very powerful for me
Major Depression and Anxiety Disorder here. I appreciate your perspective and your struggles.
I appreciate you Lauren. You’ve been really responsible it sounds like. I have major depression and anxiety and I don’t drive in the dark and try and avoid rain due to my severe anxiety. We’re all just doing the best we can I think.
You are amazing. I totally respect how you can be challenged by people’s opinions & stay strong in explaining yourself ( people are sometimes quick to judge). You have amazing courage and care to help others. Those who are pointing fingers and quick to judge, what are your issues? As my mom would say “don’t be the pot calling the kettle black”
Pointing out a potential public safety risk is not judging it's being pragmatic
@@bdegrdsI think by saying "You shouldn't be allowed to drive" is less pragmatic of the things one can say to express concern over such a situation.
Exactly
I don't have schizophrenia but I do have OCD and Clinical Depression, and I also often like to just drive around by myself. I find it to be peaceful and soothing.
@@BrokePencil Thank-you. I've had OCD for around 30 years now. Over time I've developed
techniques and ways to make it more manageable than it once was. But it's always there.
Same here. OCD, anxiety, major depression, and CPTSD. Driving is very calming for me even though I do have some compulsions when it comes to getting in the car and starting driving.
@@BrokePencil how you know you don't?
@@BrokePencil ok makes sense
Hi I have ocd too. 15yrs. It layed low for a while and then every theme possible hit me during covid and moving. Never knew how ugly it could get. It’s such a misunderstood Illness. I at one point thought I was having phycosis with ocd.
We're so glad you're feeling better Lauren- we support and are here for you!😀
Great to see you in a better place. I do not judge you for the choices you make, partly because you are incredibly self aware 99% of the time, which is as good as most of us can ever be.
Amazingly honest and open as ever.
I can’t tell you how much it resonated with me when you made the analogy of someone who drinks alcohol and not having that fact to be a blanket reason to remove their license. I was absolutely offended when I went to renew my drivers license a few years ago, in a new state, and the renewal required me to indicate whether or not I had a mental illness, and it outlined some very specific ones that I had to check off yes or no and one of them I had to check off yes. I was so offended and so irritated that I ended up writing a very detailed 15 page single spaced letter to the department of motor vehicles defending why my mental health diagnosis should have nothing to do with my drivers license status. I completely agree with you. It is an individual situation, and I believe it is up to the doctor and the patient together to make those decisions not the state. Thank you, thank you thank you for doing this video. It was very educational for me and I know it is very educational for all the medical practitioners out there.
When my sleep gets out of whack, and I’m over compensating for unmanageable levels of stress, I know I can’t drive. But I trust myself to make that decision because personally, I am an extremely aware and safe driver. I now never let myself drive if I feel anxious about it beforehand. Thank you for being so honest and open. I just hope you know how much we genuinely love you and Rob and want the best for you two. You are so special Lauren, like a diamond in the rough ❤❤❤
I admire you for sharing your story to help others who suffer with mental health issues. It must take a lot of courage. You're helping a lot of people.
I also admire your courage in filming yourself singing with the radio and car-dancing. :) Very few people have the courage to do that.
I don't understand why someone would say you shouldn't have a license to drive. You and your healthcare provider are obviously making sure that you don't drive during periods of time when it isn't safe for you to do so.
You are a very sweet person. First, you’re well spoken, second you shared what it feels like while experiencing it, and third, wanting to help others + advocating for those who live with and cope with mental illness. I can see why you take your special ride - it helps you cope, Lauren!! I don’t think you would drive if you felt it wasn’t safe. I’m very proud of your endurance + strength. I knew you would get better!! ❤️
One size does not fit all. Very valid point.
The one thing you didn't touch on and I wondered is if you rely on Rob to help you in your self-assessment of your competency to drive (and other activities). For anybody - with or without mental illness - having a sounding board is always helpful. So, I wonder if that's part of your toolkit to help you make healthy decisions that are appropriate to the moment. 🙏
One of my brothers was diagnosed with schizophrenia (paranoid) when he was 17. He has been institutionalized more than once. He is now 42, and driving has never been an issue. Mostly because when he's having symptoms, he's agoraphobic and afraid. He's not going to go drive around. Him not having the ability to drive would decrease his quality of life so greatly he may not even be alive. He doesn't live in a place where public transportation is a thing, and he lives alone.
Thank you for wearing a seatbelt!! Makes my heart happy to see as a dispatcher. It’s dangerous for yourself as well as others to not wear one, BUCKLE UP PEOPLE (influencers). ❤
With my chronic illness (POTS/dysautonomia), I know when I am not able to drive or don't feel like it's safe to do it. If ppl say this about those with schizophrenia, you could say it about a lot of different illnesses. Slippery slope in my eyes.
I'm so impressed with your ability to calmly and rationally address the judgy comments. Stay well.
Just wanted to say thank you to all the inspiration you've given with all of your videos. You're truly a hero to those in this community. I know I am so grateful.
“Having a flow state”
Yes!!!
I’ve been watching your videos for awhile- I relate to you so much. I explain and process well and I’m using my voice more to give more insight to people who used to be my colleagues (I’m a former school psych). I have complex ptsd and I experience so much dissociation and executive dysfunction that I don’t experience that flow state anymore. Thank you for giving me that language ❤️ thank you for your videos ❤️
Sorry- adding on- also- it’s exhausting constantly defending why you can do things to other people solely because you have a mental illness. I wish people understood this. Every single thing I do or don’t do has to be explained in exhausting detail to seemingly everyone. I can’t just say “because I can.” Or- just be able to do the task. ❤️
" I don't experience that flowstate anymore"....I'm crying...😢 I'm forty-two, and working, finally, to try and sort out my mental health issues after a few years of what I can only describe as a ongoing nervous breakdown. It's hard for me to put words to what is going on sometimes or most times, but reading that line of yours made me cry. I have not experienced any sort of Flow State in so long... And I didn't really think about it I guess like that but it's perfect. It perfectly explains. Thank you for sharing what you're going through as well. Being a professional business woman myself it's hard to deal with, and I can only imagine how hard it must be for you being a former School psychiatrist. Thank you again, my apologies for any errors typos etcetera I am using my voice text because sometimes I just can't type anymore you know?🙂💛
I have CPTSD and ADHD, and I wanted to say that it's possible to heal to the extent that you can reach that flow state again! Take good care 💜
I would love to experience a flow state when driving. I have panic attacks that make me freeze if I think about getting behind the wheel. I only drive if it's an emergency, which probably reinforces my anxiety around it. I think the closest I've come to a flow state when driving is when I'd drive for about two hours (my self-imposed limit) when my husband and I road-trip to visit our families out of state. I know I experience a flow state when drawing, and recently I've discovered I can get in one while crocheting, which I can also do while I'm listening to something. Flow states feel so good! Crocheting is also a great fidget/tactile stim which helps my anxiety if I have to wait for something.
I think this is such a great video and response. You definitely don’t owe anyone an explanation, but I love that you cared enough to give insight and ease some minds
Congratulations on being self aware and mindful of your actions . I am glad that you can manage your symptoms well most of the time.
This lady is so beautiful and always got a perfect smile even in psycosis. Your a Good soul n beautiful inside n out you got this and thanks for helping share with people your life as can relate more than you know .
It is so cute that Rob takes you for a drive when you’re having issues.
Thats like saying people with mental disorders shouldnt have kids 😢 thanks for what u do. ❤
Thanks for taking us along! I cope with depressive episodes by playing the piano or foraging, and funnily it's not the suicidal ideation that stops me driving but unpredictable migraines with aura. Hard to drive when at any moment I might become unable to see.
I have learned so much from your videos! I'm so glad to see you're feeling better ❤
Thanks Lauren.🎉
These messages are always helpful, astute and insightful.
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Love the comparison to awareness around drinking alcohol and driving. 💯
Hi , I live with schizoaffective, mostly hypomanic bipolar disorder. I am 65 now, I made the choice to give up my license at 60 yrs old as I had my 5th major episode of 3 yrs, and I noticed an increase in my hallucinations and delusions, combined with driving related costs and retiring at 60 into disability pension income. As you have more major episodes it is a fact that you experience more symptoms. I realized it was possible for me to be driving and due a surprise situation such as a road rage driver causing me stress or having a hulucination and swirving to miss the perceived person or object I would be a danger on the road. I took driver training back in the days when it wasn't necessary to get my license, I have no major accidents in 45 yrs driving, but due to the increase in symptoms I let my license expire. I didn't even talk with my psych or therapist about it, I just chose this totally voluntarily.
I'm in Albert's right now with my daughter and Grandkids, I did live here for 34 yrs, I still love Alberta.
I’ve been hospitalized before for my mental illness and during hospitalization we make a safety plan that includes warning signs that put me towards feeling unsafe. And then explore more warning signs with my therapist after hospitalization. I do feel most people can identify when they are putting themselves into danger. Great job at identifying your warning signs and recovery!
I really admire & respect your candour & self-deprecating humour! Your kids will watch these videos one day & truly understand your experience 👌🏼
It was hard for me to even notice I was hallucinating initially, so I was driving dangerously for me. I was severely psychotic, but in denial. I was fortunate enough that I didn't get into an accident. I would stop in the middle of traffic a lot, but not on the highways. Now that I'm aware, I wouldn't even get behind the wheel. I don't even like driving when it's too late or too much rain let alone having really intense visual hallucinations.
My ex crashed the car while he was in psychosis. I don’t think they should take people’s license after an episode but maybe the case manager should put a hold on it for a few weeks for everyone’s safety. You are very self aware but some are not.
Americans need to change the driving criteria it's pathetic
@@perrycoffey5410 I have type 1 bipolar and am forever grateful that I live in a free country like America. No one besides trolls on the internet would even propose something as ludicrous as taking away my driver's license because I actually live in a free country.
Agree 100%
My sister is diagnosed with this exact disorder, and in an episode, she let go of the steering wheel because she thought God would drive for her and ended crushing into a building....no I don't think People with psychotic disorders shouldn't have a license But I definitely believe they shouldn't be driving in an episode. My sister did not end up hurting anyone that night, but she could have.
Yes exactly I 💯 percent agree
This video shows so well how important it is to not fall into black & white thinking around mental illness (which, important to keep in mind, can be a symptom of mental illness, too 😉). There are many illnesses-mental, neurological and/or physical-that can negatively impact one‘s ability to drive to the point where it would jeopardise one‘s own or others‘ safety. Think of somebody suffering from heart issues or epilepsy. The decision of whether somebody who is dealing with an illness whose symptoms or treatment plan can compromise the ability to drive responsibly should or should not drive and who gets to make that decision and how, when, under what conditions and for how long is not an either or decision, but one that involves many factors which need to be properly understood and weighed. Which doesn’t make things murky! Just complex. Your video conveys that so well. BTW, regardless of mental state, I relate to your description of driving offering a flow state. I often feel like I can access a different, more insightful state of mind when driving because an otherwise noisy part of me is nicely preoccupied by the task of driving.
This is a very good point. You never know when you will be psychotic and driving is usually what you do then. I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that either.
I have MS and my right leg is paralyzed, almost completely now, and no one ever took my license away as it was progressing lol … my husband is losing his eye sight … no one ever jumped in and took away his license … we adjust and adapt accordingly but also, you don’t just rip these things away from people, esp when it’s so sensitive and people’s independence relies on it … it’s complicated.
Driving for me can be difficult at times, but I agree with the theraputic way it can be used. I drive when I need to focus and I'm not going "over the edge". IF I'm already in psychosis, driving frightens me and its the last thing I want to do. Thnak you for sharing your journey.
My neighbour and one of my first friends as a child had schizophrenia. I loved her a lot she would talk to me about gardening and loved being outside like me. My boyfriend may be schizoaffective, he has not confirmed that yet. And myself I am autistic, have OCD and sometimes I get burned out it is fairly regular usually depending on what is happening on life.
So I really want to understand mental health. Your channel is very good, you are a very impressive person thank you for sharing with the world. I love this. You are very wise and kind.
Hi. I'm Melonie and I live in North Carolina. I have enjoyed your videos for a long time but never commented until today. Like you, one of my flow state strategies involves driving in a certain pattern, just for a little while, sometimes with music and other times in complete silence. I'm lucky to live in a safe place where those I live with can tell if I'm a bit off--like to the point of shouldn't be driving--and they do this because I've invited them to and I trust them because they are my father and his fiancé and they care for me and know when I'm in a strange place. I'm glad you have aa husband who fills that role for you. People just don't understand more often than not.
Hi Melonie - My beloved late sister was schizo and on meds (died from a Johnson vaccine not the virus 2 years ago) but she is with Jesus now and will see her again. There were times she would say she saw angels. I believe her. There ARE evil forces behind the scenes as well that try to interfere. BUT GOD is stronger fear not. In addition her strong faith in GOD kept her very strong and safe. She never drove. I guess those with schizo need to make personal decisions. We miss and love her very much. Be well be safe. Drive safe. Glad your hubby is there for you. God surely is with you. 🥲✝✝✝
I drove my car during my first psychotic episode(I have schizophrenia.) and I crashed my car. I don't drive anymore and I'm selling my car. Using ride share services are more affordable and less time consuming overall and it feels really cool to be driven around while relaxing in the backseat.
Glad you are okay! 🙂
Such a responsible and practical thing to do. I admire that
@@JohnPiperBoots thx man
@@Angela-vy5ok thank you very much.
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Watching snd listening to this video brought up an interesting parallel for me. I am a stroke survivor snd so have had to make the decision about whether to drive or not (I didn’t for almost two years after my stroke) because my brain didn’t feel ready. I am glad that you are so responsible in how you deal with your illness and driving, and I wish you the best as you continue to navigate it.
Just wanted to add my support to your candid sharing about driving while schizo-affected. Makes a lot of sense to me.
I originally discovered your channel when researching ECT, which I've been receiving bilaterally for a couple months to help with chronic depression. Starting to see some progress, too. 🤞
Oh, and finally, props on the vampire weekend track selection. They are one of my contemporary favorites. 💜✌️🎉
I have bipolar I and didn’t pass the psychological exam to get my license 😢 but it’s nice to see that it is possible.
I never got a psychological exam for my license and I've got schizophrenia and bipolar. Not sure if that's good or bad haha
Where do you live? It is absolutely horrible how the most basic of human rights and freedom can be taken from you on the basis of just having a mental illness. People with mental illnesses should not be treated like second class citizens. I also have bipolar 1 and because I live in a free country (the US) it is legal for me to drive, even while experiencing a type 1 manic episode.
@@juliakrushniccollins9054 I live in Brazil…So if a person has characteristics of aggressiveness, impulsivity, and disorders like schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, phobias, panic syndrome and paranoia, the person will be considered unfit to drive a vehicle. 🥲
Keep fighting for it!
@@Idkhenata That's absolutely terrifying! I'm so sorry that you live in a country like that. My car is a huge part of freedom and basic independence for me, I couldn't imagine that taken away. Living with a mental illness takes enough away as it is!
Thank you Lauren for all the videos you have created during this time. I'm so happy to see you rrcovering and being able yo enjoy yourself. Last fall my husband (he also has schizoafective disorder) pass a red light and we almost charshed onto someone. I didn't know at the time that he was in psychosis, he got diagnosed afyer this. He said to me he didnt see anyone or the traffic lights, as if he was in a different place. He didnt say anything specific about driving or not or reasons, he just knows something isn't right and he decided to not drive for now. This video has been incredibly helpful in understanding what it's possible.❤❤
Lauren, I hope that creating this video didn’t tire you out too much, and that it felt good to be out driving for a bit. You did look adequately focused on the road (with hands free device running), so that’s great. Maybe Rob could take a turn at an episode…life from his perspective :-)
I also hope the coffee treat was good! A tasty reward for getting out to do a video! Ha! They can break the budget or mess with mental health (caffeine!), which I hope is what you meant by “Rob said I could…”
Thank you for sharing your experiences, lovely lady!
I appreciate you so much. It's so great to have your perspective on so many topics. Keep up the amazing work. You are a gift to so many who are struggling with this illness in silence because of the unnecessary shame they may be carrying. God Bless you Lauren! and your amazing hubby Rob!
My wife drove our car during psychosis/mania (on 2h of sleep in 3 days). It’s a Tesla so it has a lot of security features. She’s welcome to drive it again if/when she comes back.
She’s welcome back into my life. 🧡
Your videos are so informational and encouraging and help fight so many stigmas and stereotypes that those who suffer from psychological disorders.
I have always described long drives as 'therapeutic' and I think you do too! I'm very independent and have traveled many states far from home by myself and always loved it! Now that I'm older I appreciate those memories even more 😊 I choose not to drive at nights anymore due to having an earlier bedtime and where I live now there are just too many young people on the road looking for trouble and I definitely do NOT need that! In my early 30's after losing my first husband to cancer I was driving and was suicidal and should NOT have been on the road at all! I just wanted this pain I was suffering with to stop. It took a few years for me to finally recover from that loss, but anyone can be suicidal and driving, and there are far too many people on the road with drugs and/or alcohol! I'd be more concerned with those people! That's why I don't like driving at nights. That and I can't see well without my glasses, so it's just better for me to drive to work in the morning, then safely get home before 6 and to bed by 8 - 8:30. Better safe than sorry ☺Thanks for sharing. And driving is therapeutic for most people I think.
Thank you for an honest and vulnerable video
Thank you for sharing this! You are helping to educate those who are loving friends who aren’t fully invested in treatments.
Can you explain why friends wouldn't be invested in treatment?
@@mgray999how we should she know she’s not her friends and that’s their business
@@hectormarroquin6788 I'd like to know the reasons because it is confusing. I didn't realize it was personal
@@dagrun3821 that’s not what she meant
@@dagrun3821 I wanted to know the reasons and basis behind why someone who cares about an individual would pressure them to not be treated to improve their quality of life
Thanks for posting, I enjoy your channel. Glad all is well too. And fun to see you singing. Best wishes to you from Minnesota:)
Hi thank you for your videos. I have schizoaffective disorder. Iv really scared myself driving recently. I have been struggling a bit today and your videos just just make me feel less alone. So thank you ❤️
I get that flow state crocheting. It’s the one thing that calms my mind down and helps me to settle and chill.
Thank you so much for the work you do. I'm working towards getting a diagnosis for schizophrenia and your content has helped me understand what's going on in my life and has given me hope for the future.
It makes me happy when you sing and boogie while driving!
If there were awards for extremely helpful, well-explained and presented videos, this should win an award. I do not suffer from any of these disorders, but want to learn and understand. Your use of comparing your right to have a driver's license to that of people who drink, is powerful because it is so broadly true that it should be difficult to negate. I do not know if there are statistics available that identify how many people are killed each year in car accidents due to mental health disorders. Even if such data is not readily found, I think anyone would be hard pressed to make the argument that accidents based on that cause are greater in numbers of fatalities than those that are alcohol or drug related. This is beyond excellent!
I really enjoyed this video. You put more thought into your ability to drive than my coworkers I who hit the pub every night after work. I support your decision to 100%. Thank you for putting yourself out there in your videos like you do, it is very educational for all of us. Wishing the best for you and your family.
I’ve recently discovered your videos. I have bipolar disorder, so I can relate in many ways. You’re very sweet and give me hope on my bad days. Thank you for sharing.
This definitely helped answer some questions I had! I don't think you should lose your license. Instead, making sure Rob and loved ones understand when it's the time to possibly keep the keys is important. I feel you might already have that kind of plan set up with Rob usually and this last time he was hoping he wouldn't have to hide the keys. Not answering anybody's calls after driving away adds another layer I'm sure. I appreciate your discussion of this, and think you should be able to drive, but also think you should set up plans for when you go off grid and don't answer Rob's calls or messages.❤
Suicide trigger warning: Adding that I'm sensitive to this topic bc one of my cousins would disappear and not respond to family's calls, and had attempted suicide several times. Unfortunately she passed away from her last attempt, found at a hotel by tracking her transactions.
This is crazy, I just wrote you a paragraph about this on your last video. I’m glad you discussed it. This video definitely feels like it CYA lol. I went through that DMV medical review because of bipolar over the past 3months and just finished earlier this month. They really tried to take my livelihood from me and I’m so glad I fought for MY RIGHT.
Driving itself isn’t a right, but having the opportunity to prove that you’re capable of being a safe driver IS a right. AND if any of US have to go through a crazy assessment process, everyone should. I wished I could have sued for discrimination 😭 but I fear retaliation often with this illness. Thank you again for talking about this! You hit the nail on the head with the drinker metaphor.
i love your toughts on things :) i totally agree it should be a case by case moment thing and not a 1 size fits all thing. a friend of mine with Schizophrenia used to call me when he was on his bike and getting symptoms and asking me things like "did u hear the laughing?" did u hear them yell? and i would tell him basicly if it was the real world (always made him extra happy ofcourse :P ) or his brain. and he would feel more grounded and safe. to know what was happening and what was in his brain. and feel less scared by it. also talking to me i think made him be more in the moment and in the traffic instead of dozing off in his head with the focus on the noices so that could help to :)
I had had to stop my car a few times due to anxiety attack were I felt very lightheaded and shaky. Thankfully I have never had to stop my car due to psychosis ❤️
Please read the book: Could it be B12?
So many people are on psychiatric meds because they’re low in B12.
Daily shots are needed for long period of time.
I totally understand this. I do not struggle with psychosis, but there are times when my anxiety is benefited by just driving around with no destination in mind. (Mind you, if certain depression is in the mix, I cannot be driving. That's no longer safe, at least if I'm in an ""I don't care" mindset or experiencing suicidal idealization.)
I actually did understand “Circles in a straight line” - ring roads are invariably long enough that if feels like you are driving in a straight line, despite the fact you eventually complete a revolution.
Personally I’m not in the group that feel you shouldn’t be able to drive. There are plenty of people who have conditions that would make driving a challenge on occasions, and other people who have no conditions are are dangerous to be on the road.
In addition this has to be a judgement call made by you and not anyone else. Aside from when your psychosis bites, everything I’ve seen so far shows that you’re actually aware of your strengths and weaknesses. Probably far more so than others who don’t suffer from Schizophrenia.
I do loops too! It can be very peaceful. For me I think I enjoy the freedom of it. Even if things are bad, in that moment I move smoothly through the world.
I applaud you with these videos. Takes a strong individual to do them. I appreciate them ❤❤❤. I hope you have a good day.
I love your videos having seen them all. I look after a friend who suffers from psychosis myself.
Of course you should have a driving licence!
As for your video about driving with psychosis, I think you should investigate the legal and related sides in more detail. I understand how super important it is to remain independent and how great driving is however the "general rule" or the law in my country is that you should most definitely never drive while sufferering the active symptoms of a psychosis.
If your were stopped by Police for a routine inspection and they learned that you were in any form of active psychosis and especially having recently taken a sedative, I suspect that the Police would not allow you to continue driving. If you had an accident, I worry there would be nasty problems 😢.
My suggestion would be to take the decision yourself not to drive while having any psychotic symptoms.
Psychosis can affect judgment so it is difficult to safely judge one's own risk level for driving especially when there is a powerful personal bias (of course you want to drive if possible and that's understandable).
Try focusing on running, physical exercise will always help more and it's good for you 😊
Looking forward to your next video!
I love the whole way you approached this topic. Very well done and super informative! ❤
Honestly, people should not drive when they're extremely angry, crying hysterically, or extremely tired. Yet they still do and still have a driver's license. I admit I once had to drive with an ocular migraine. It's easy to make snap judgements about someone else's behavior but this a decision between them, their family and doctor - not strangers on the internet.
my ears perked up with you said anthony hendey :') i had no idea you lived in the same area as me and i've been following your journey all this time, i'm so glad to see you're in a better place now
Driving is therapeutic for me, even listening to music while driving and remembering where I was, who I was with especially from an old song really calms the soul.
I drive around too when I'm struggling with my mental health. Thanks for posting this video, I really relate with it. Hope things get better!
Hi, I've been watching your videos and it's nice to hear more of what its like. This March, our 11yr old daughter had a phsycotic episode out of no where. She is now being followed by a great team of mental health professionals. We are waiting to here where she falls as they feel she can be either bipolar or schizophrenic. She may fall where you are as the in between. It's hard as parents to see this happen and we feel for our daughter, BUT we are trying to make it as positive and informative as possible for her. She too has been hospitalized and is not a fan... for obvious reasons. Thank you for sharing your experiences... it's letting all of us feel there is life within this all.
Great to see this video from you today -
I’m not sure that you need to justify driving while in psychosis - you have a simple, predictable routine and it soothes you. It makes absolutely sense to me and as long as it seems OK to you at the time than just proceed with caution…
I don’t understand how people can say that you shouldn’t be driving. What the fuck do they know?
Thanks as usual for the inspiration
Hi Lauren. You made perfect sense with all the variables. Here's what I feel, IF one has Self Awareness regarding where they actually are with their symptoms, then by all means give that person Autonomy and a feeling of freedom. That is important for people who struggle. Lessening the stigma they already are aware of. If a person lacks Self Awareness and can't be real with their inner life and Symptoms, it might be better yo not drive at all. Lauren I loved the drive with you, sharing your insights. Flow on🦋🎶
You are so brave making these videos. I made a fairly benign comment on a different channel, and have been pursued by a troll. I admire you so much. Good to see you in a better place.
I was perfectly fine even driving myself to the hospital in active psychosis multiple times. The only accident I ever had was getting rear-ended while stopped at a stop light.