10 Most Underrated Star Trek Villains
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- A great hero is nothing without a great villain, some of whom deserve more credit.
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So basically Jefferey Combs was the best villains ;)
Combs is the best. Period!
and the first andorian whom made me cry
he's top drawer
This.
Also the among the best good guys, his andorian on enterprise was great too. Basically every star trek fan loves coombs.
@@yougosquishnow "The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from no one!" 👍
Tomalak was seriously underrated because he was played by the always awesome and much missed Andreas Katsulas.
And, his superb work as G’Kar on “Babylon 5.”
@@charleshamilton9274 G'Kar was seriously one of the best written characters in all of Science Fiction and Andreas truly owned that part. I agree that he is missed.
Brunt is great, but I feel like Kai Winn should be 1. Just because she gives me PTSD just from hearing her name. I mean, she arranged for a school to be blown up just so she could attempt to have her rival assassinated. Diabolical.
My coping mechanism for anytime Winn is being evil? This quote from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest":
"Piss on your fucking rules, Nurse Ratched!"
Agreed, I can't stand her smug hypocrisy!
@@ngobleus Louise Fletcher (Kai Winn) should have been cast in the "Far Beyond the Stars" story as Sisko's psychiatric nurse (the 'Shadows and Symbols" episode).
She is a better villain than Brunt for sure, but the video was supposed to be 'underrated villains'. Winn shouldn't even be in this list as there's nothing underrated about her - EVERYONE hates her!
Agreed.
The idea of punching Kai Winn earned your like for the day. Well said.
Every Character done by Jeffrey Combs was great. Brunt and Weyoun were some of his best, but I have to say that Shran was my favorite.
Jeffery Combs was to Star Trek the way Scott McNeil was to Beast Wars.
He even had a small role on Babylon 5, which is completely different from his Star Trek villains. Really talented.
Commander Shran was one of the best characters in Star Trek history. It's too bad he was hidden in a show with such a small viewership. Jeffrey Combs is an absolute treasure.
@@Yora21 Combs was in an episode of Criminal Minds as an unsub but was robbed by the A Story. It was more about Garcia's past than the unsub, and he would have been AMAZING
Yep. He did a lot of characters. So did Vaughn Armstrong (best known for Admiral Forrest on Enterprise). I think they both played about a dozen.
I agree, The Kardashians are major villains....... wait are we still talking about star trek?
I think that one of the TNG writers may have run into Robert Kardashian, the attorney and the father of the famous sisters.
@@jmcenanly1 how, when and why?
Jeffrey Combs - the man, the myth, the legend! 🖖
The Breen's enviro-suits always reminded me of Princess Leia's bounty hunter disguise from ROTJ
edit: "e'ah-tay, e'ah-tay, ji'oh-toh." **activates bomb**
I second that...
Every time they were on screen I was waiting for one to pull out a thermal detonator
The funny thing is, in the extended canon the Breen wear those suits to hide what species they are underneath. They are actually 10 different species working together!
@@andromidius Or maybe they're all clones of the late and great Carrie Fisher.........? No wonder they're so good at kicking ass & taking names.
edit: Y'know she almost killed John Belushi and Dan Akroyd (a few times) in another classic 80s movie, right? They only survived by Divine Intervention.
It came full circle as they had distorted voices like DeathTroopers before Rogue One
LMAO Same!
So basically, DS9 has the best villains? Yes.
And, the best acting.
Why not? It's easily the best series.
0:42 "When you step back from well known villains like the Klingons or Romulans..."
2:08 a Romulan, 3:06 a Klingon
I'm not the biggest fan of Voyager but I feel like seska should be on this list at least in the upper numbers
I liked voyager, they dialed back the treknobabble by a bit in the later seasons.
Great call.
Next time you want to make a Jefferey Combs appreciation video, just make a Jefferey Combs appreciation video 😆
I mean, who wouldn't watch that, at least out of the viewers of Trek Culture?
I can't tell you how much I approve of this. I can't think of any Trek fan who wouldn't stop everything they're doing for a Jeffrey Combs best of video. Make it happen Trek Culture!
@@ShonnDaylee Shram's my favorite, pinkskin.
Hirogen are underrated imo. Voyager meets them in season 4, they have this huge com array, implying they have huge territory. They stay until the end.
Yep. The Klingons only want to kill you. But the Hirogen will eat you too. 😁
Anyone else think it's not a coincidence that the actress that played Kai Winn was the original Nurse Ratched on One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
Different chrs., but the same great actress. I liked her in other movies too.
Total coicindence. Not one Trek fan has noticed that in the years I have been looking. YOu have uncovered a secret hidden gold nugget. I bow to your wisdom and insight.
If you want to take care of a Weyoun, just have them talk to Worf again.
*Laughs and belts back some Kanar*
I vote the Vidiians! They were a sad race in a desperate situation; and they sure had some impressive and deadly technology.
Agreed. If only we got more time with them, say Voyager Season 1 would deal with the Kazon threat, then moving past their space Voyager finds it way into Vidiian territory and they would be the big bad for Season 2. We got some good episodes with them but wish we got them as a more consistent threat along with a more in-depth look at them and what happened.
I had hoped Sela, Yar's daughter, would have made the list. When they made Nemesis they wanted a Khan like villain. Sela should have been the villain and not clone Picard.
Could not agree more....just have it be a full scale war. Sela takes over, pulls some machinations (divided Klingon council, Breen alliance, etc) and invades. Crew of Enterprise must make contact with the ousted Romulan faction and unificationists to bring down her regime and bring war to a halt. Something like that :p
That and dropping B-4 could have turned the movie into something actually worth the cast
@@NerdRahtio I actually LIKE B-4, though...
The best line from your number one: "Your mother... is wearing clothes."
How is Harry Mudd not on this list?
Especially discovery Mudd, genius revitalization
Original Harry Mudd wasn't a villain. He was a con artist, but he was never malicious, showed genuine concern for others and had no ambitions greater than getting rich a living a comfortable life. Discovery Mudd, is a completely different character
MOOOOGIEE!!!
@@weldonwin Discovery is not even Star Trek. Just call it something else, please.
Hard to say he was underrated the only recurring nemesis of TOS (excluding the movies of course)
I feel like we need a video something like "Jeffrey Combs' characters ranked worst to best".
Only there’s no worst. They’re all great
We have to stop trying to rank things that are all at least good, it really isn't fair to those at the bottom of the list because people will start to view them worse than they really are simply because of where they are on the list and people associate being "worst" with being "bad", I sincerely believe that one of the main reasons why people claim that the Cars trilogy is bad is because we live in a culture where everything has to be ranked, if they were made by a different entity that did not have such high expectations and produced some of the best movies ever made it would be viewed far more favorably.
I wish I could like this a hundred times. I have been saying this for a long time.
I would like to point out that half of these are from ds9
Makes sense, best series.
It makes sense that most of the underrated villains are in the most underrated series.
Three quarters of all great episodes are from that show.
@@Yora21 IMO including the 3 best. Duet, For the uniform and on first place in the pale moonlight.
That's because DS9 was the pinnacle of Star Trek's creative talent, both acting and writing.
Didn’t one of the Weyoun’s say the Breen home world was a tropical paradise and he couldn’t figure out why they needed the suits?
Yes, Weyoun did say that he heard a rumor that the Breen homeworld was not frozen, but actually quite comfortable. That their encounter suits were just to add mystery. It was all speculation between him and the female shapeshifter. Ok, more his part, she just cared that they could fight.
@@lancerasmussen8580 I think there are two Breen "homeworlds". The "public" version, which is a bitterly cold planet, but their actual homeworld is warm and tropical.
Kivas Fajo was a wonderful villain, in his own way. I would have loved to have seen more of him or at the very least seen others like him, out there flying around the universe playing by their own rules.
The Breen are the Mandalorians of Star Trek. The helmets they are wearing looks a lot like the helmet Princess Leia wore in Return Of The Jedi.
And to those of us who are in no way Star Wars fans and are scratching our heads at this comment?
@@loulfw2513Sorry, I go both ways. 🤪🖖
I cannot lie: I want to see more of the Intendant than all the others, for reasons.
You could probably achieve the result you're looking for by copying Quark's pirated holosuite program of Kira and tweaking a few things in her personality code, such as her predilection for having her other bits tweaked. You'll probably want to circumvent the butterface copy protection/hack somehow by either re-modelling Quark's head back to Kira's or simply taking a paper bag with you to the holosuite, or the end result may not have the Intendant Effect you were after.
Yes, Ms. Visitor’s hindquarters were quite......intriguing
I watched the whole show again last year, and on my third or so rewatch, I found that the first Mirror episode is great fun, the second is decent, and the others are actually all quite bad.
Kira certainly is the star of that whole concept. And I suspect the performance is the whole reason there was more than just one episode.
@Mrs. Arthur Morgan Which is actually kind of impressive considering the cast also featured Terry Farrell, who was originally the "sexy" one while Nana had the tomboyish/military/bad temper redhead thing going.
I know he's not really all that reliable of a source, Weyoun says that the Breen homeworld isn't a frozen hellscape but a temperate planet much like Earth. He even implies that not even the Dominion has been able to learn what they look like underneath their suits or why they wear them.
It makes sense. why would they need a refrigeration suit on a frozen world? They would need a heating suit, right?
There was one villian that honestly was a bit more than underrated if you ask me. Michael Eddington The Star Fleet Security Chief of DS9 turned traitor and Maquis leader. They were extreamists in their acts but none of the others would turn to biological warfare like he did or for that matter push a starfleet captain the way he did either.
eddington was a misunderstood freedom fighter
Finally someone noticed the connection. The "kardashians" 🤣🤣🤣
a tv station that airs all star treks has a commercial that goes "keeping up with the cardassians" making fun of the soundalike names
Nope. Honest Trailers saw it first.
Lore should have made the list.
The title specifies "Underrated". Lore is rated perfectly fine as one of the best villains.
How about when Hoshi Sato became the Mirror Universe's Empress in _Star Trek: Enterprise_ ? She was badass
Not really, she just kinda slutted her way up the ranks and murdered her boyfriend in bed then said "Hey, What Up Nerds, I'm Emperor Now Because I Have a Big Starship"
I feel like she was a more watered-down version of the intedant
I didn't like Enterprise but I could look at Hoshi all day long. Scrumptious...
I might have been less annoyed by the Breen if the costume design hadn't just straight ripped off the Ubese bounty hunter hat from RotJ for them.
Kai Winn! That's who Professor Umbridge reminds me of! Thanks, now I hate them both even more.
Agreed 😂
I already hated her because she was played by the same actress who played Nurse Ratched on "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
I.Hate.Her!!! Like I she is fictional but that hate I feel is real and visceral !
It was SOOOO satisfying to watch her die in the finale.
@@GrandmasterDevo "Are you still here?" I admit: watching Pah'Wraith-ed Dukat end her was a fantastic moment.
Landru seeks tranquility. Peace for all. The universal good.
A list without Landru is not of the body.
"Hey, don't make me paradox you into destroying yourself." - Captain Freeman
Gul Evek deserves a spot on that list. He was definitely a thorn in Picard, Sisko, Chakotay and the Maquis’ side during Richard Poe’s short time on TNG, DS9 and VOY.
YES! Showing up in each of those series around the same in universe time was just brilliant and made all those series feel even more tied together then they already were. Gul Evek!!!
I don't think I'd ever have considered Kai Winn underrated.
Neither did I. Louise Fletcher really left her mark on Kai Winn, she portrayed her as such a deeply layered villain, a great testament to her craft.
Kai Winn was literally the worst. Where's Seska? How did Toral get on this list? 😂
I wouldn't say Seska was under rated. She played a much needed antagonist for Voyager and also got what she deserved.
Toral, that ha'Dibah isn't worthy to polish a bat'leth with his tongue.
I was also confused by toral...
Thank you for including Toral, I did Rick Pasqualone makeup for that episode!!!! That was such a fun episode and Rick was so into the character and process of the makeup !
Who is Rick Pasqualone again?
Kai Winn was fantastically portrayed by the actress and a great villain, but what most people forget, it that she was in the right place at the right time to eventually change her mind about what she was doing and help Sisco defeat Dukat and the Pa Wraiths at the very end.
Typical Christian attitude. Repent and ye shall be saved. Not buying it. She gave herself willingly to the Pagh Wraiths. That's like the army storming into Hitler's bunker, and Goering takes out his pistol, points it at Hitler, and says "You're under arrest!". Not.
Marcus, I love your list!!! I especially love your enterpritation of the "Cardassians" !! Bravo. 🖖
#5 is my personal favorite but then Kira was the hottest character on DS9 both in looks and personality
Commender eddington should have made the list but it was a good list
Marcus I love ya man, It's always a delight when you are on a list it makes the day just that little bit better!
Kira and Dukat have almost certainly seen what the Breen look like under their helmets, and lived to tell. They both stole Breen suits while rescuing Ziyal, and Kira stole another one on Cardassia.
Yeah but the breen inside the suit would've boiled due to the temperature difference and their need for extremely low temperatures.
@@PolarBear-rc4ks is that how they explained it? Cause I wondered how they kept saying never seen where they kept stealing suits.
The Salt Vampire from TOS. The ability to appear differently to people in the same location was pretty cool. The mind sees what the mind wants/expects to see.
Every time I see a Klingon woman, I remember the time when Quark took one for the team. I sorta wondered what a half Klingon half Ferengi would look and act like.
That's gonna be some SERIOUSLY gnarly teeth!
That's such a good plot for a fanfic, actually. Needing to deal honorably but also trying to profit by any means necessary.
@@yoseftreitman7226 Effectively they are a Klingon Merchant Prince, being the ones that none of the other houses want to admit to dealing with, but they all NEED to, because war is expensive and loath as they are to admit it, having someone who will deal with the financial and logistical side of things for them, is a big help, as is having a neutral party to serve as the go-between between various noble houses
They'd stab you then send you the bat'leth-resharpening bill.
Pretty sure there is one in one of the DS9 relaunch novels
Underrated Star Trek Villain number one: Benjamin Sisko.
Seriously, his "you betrayed your uniform" was the most bada** any Captain has ever said.
Can we just talk about Kira’s hips for a minute?! I mean, damn
They were always there, as was the Kira Booty, but when she is playing the Intendant, she is just UNLEASHING them
I am unanimous in that.
2:26 Just watched this episode again and noticed that the Romulan on the left is played by Marc Alaimo, who played Gul Dukat. Some of the things he said could be interpreted to reference the Dominion War.
Jeffrey Combs is one of my favorite Star Trek characters. So funny.
I personally have always wanted to see more done with the Tholians, they are mentioned a decent amount, but rarely shown, likely because of being non-humanoid. They are a race that could always be used if they wanted to have an antagonist that they could have a lot of open room to be creative with, as they don't have backstory that fans would be upset if changed like Klingons in Discovery (Unless it went too much against beta cannon but I don't know how much that would impact)
The Intendant was so drenched in camp, it's hard to take her seriously as a villain.
Awesome list!!
Can't say "Brunt" without "FCA"
Kai Wynn, known on Earth as Mildred Ratched.
(clears throat)...My child
This is DS9 list.
Commander Tomalak didn't get more screen time because Andreas Katsulas was busy on Babylon 5... and he died in 2006.
What is so God damn creepy about this.... Is that only 3 hours ago, I finished watching DS9 Crossover..... I open UA-cam.... And then see the alternative universe Major Kirra on the thumbnail of this video....
I’M SO RELIEVED WINN WAS SO HIGH
So basically DS9 is still underrated as hell
Oh yeah ds9 is the best
I got one, a baddie just as powerful as Q and not as nice. TNG, Nagilum.
Well done
Damn! Y’all forgot about Gul Dukat! He would alternate between Bad and likeable, but unlike Vader, there was NO final redemption in the end when he battled Sisko and permanently ended up with the Evil Pah-wraith.
This list, and the comments, show that it's hard to keep clear the difference between great villains and underrated villains.
The black blob thing scared the crap out of me when I was a kid.
Do you mean The Horta ?
@@Bill23799 - No, I think Derek is referring to the 1st season TNG episode "Skin of Evil." Natasha Yar died in that one.
@@DTavona Oh yeah...the Tar creature.
So....Winn gets the 'UMBRIDGE' Treatment? I'M IN!!!
What about Alex Kurtzman ? Could be Number one on the list !
Tomalak was played Andreas Katsulas who played G'Kar on Babylon 5 one of the best well written and superbly acted characters in television.
I don't really feel like Star Trek has villains as much as it has antagonists. Star Trek attempts (at least) to create narratives where everyone has their own story and is redeemable in some way. Obviously, it varies from series to series. TOS set the foundation but also had some "evil aliens of the week". TNG really brought it into maturity (even making you feel regret for the destruction of the Crystalline Entity). DS9 adopted it as a mantra (Everyone in DS9 is gray in some way. Except Ezri. She's just pure goodness.). And Voyager... [remembers the Janeway Protocol]
Yes... Kai Winn by far my favorite villain. Glad to see Winn on the list.
Harry Mudd, Seska, Sela, the aliens from TNG: Conspiracy (yes, I know, the Borg were their replacement), and possibly the Prime universe Gabriel Lorca turning up alive and not completely different to his mirror counterpart.
To this list I'd add Harry Mudd who caused quite a bit of trouble numerous times for the Enterprise and Discovery.
Kai Winn is a thorn! She urkes my soul! lmao i really enjoy Moriarty and i wished the utilized his character more often
I agree with your assessment and opinion of Kai Winn!
Section 31 also shows up in Star Trek: In to Darkness as well.. or at least is mentioned
all these years later and I'm still shocked that Christopher Lloyd was cast as the Klingon commander Kruge.
of course we all love Doc Brown, but in '84 he was only known for playing Jim Ignatowski on Taxi. that's means
at least one person with authority in the production of ST: 3 saw at least one episode of Taxi, saw the brain-damaged-
from-drug-use a plenty Rev. Jim slur through his lines at .25 speed and said, "him. thats our Klingon baddie for this movie!"
even though Dukat is universally considered Trek's greatest villain (sorry Khan), I still think he is underrated. he is that great of a character.
What about the Packleds?
Pakleds are smart, Pakleds make ship go
Pakleds are a very recent consideration thanks to "Lower Decks".
A Prayer to the Prophets and a Flagon of Blood Wine for Shax! He fulfilled his oath of service to the final measure and the dream of every Klingon.
Especially since Geordi make them strong
Kai Winn had the same talent for avoiding truth as garak
Plan, simple Garak.
I love how most of this list is comprised of characters from DS9 and TNG. Those shows had the best bad guys, eh? :)
The episode with Moriarty was the first TNG episode I watched when BBC2 showed it in the early 90s
I don't see any mention of Seska. She checks every box for "general scumbaggery".
You have to hand it to Louise Fletcher, who played Kai Winn that her acting is fantastic. To cause such visceral reactions from people shows how great her performance was.
This is less giving them the honor they deserve and more putting a target on their backs! But Combs played Brunt too? I know he did Wayoune and Shran...man, the guy was great.
Moriarty was an isomorph, a kind of light-based organism common in the delta quadrant but relatively unheard of on our side of the galaxy before Voyager's return
Harry Mudd, (Mudd's Women, Season 1, episode 6, Original Series). Underrated is putting it mildly. Mudd was such a thorn in the side of the Enterprise crew that he got a passing mention in Star Trek into Darkness (Kelvin Timeline).
1. I believe Nana Visitor started off as a dancer. That's why she can work those hips! ;-)
2. There were also the Solanae, the subspace aliens who kidnapped Enterprise crew members and experimented on them, sometimes even killing them. In recent years, the online game "Star Trek Online" has become the "unofficial-official" continuation of Star Trek. (With a lot of cast members providing voices. I can definitely picture Kira sashaying her hips underneath the Kai robes!) In STO, the Solanae were a servitor race of the Iconians.
Wow, I've not seen TNG in ages. Never knew Andreas Katsulas was on it. That smirk is unmistakeable.
Toral was a weak choice vs Lursa and Betor. Even after their house fell into disgrace they still managed to stay in villain form and destroy the Enterprise D. Toral's only claim to fame is, after growing up, he got in Worf's way for maybe 30 sec tops?
Agree with comments regarding Sela and Lore. I think to be an underrated villain, you have to have been more than a villain of the week and both qualify there. LOVE the choice of Wynn. I do not regard Sloan as evil, just ruthless. If we allow for movies, would V'ger qualify?
Having any of the Dark Triad personality traits can be virtues as they equip people to succeed at any cost.
i wanna see Moriarty back, it is possible. it wasnt a holofeck program with Tomok and Riker, it was a telepathic child, Marcus. who dont wanna see Intendant Kira back? and Weyoun, the great Jeffery Coombs, he needs to be in every ST series.
Kurtzman is the biggest villain in Trek
lol
Jeffrey Combs is amazing. Brunt was a really great character. “Quark, your mother... is wearing clothes...” “Uhhh mother! You get undressed this instant!”
Q is my all time favorite villain, but Kira as a vamp, the Intendant, was magnificent... She was absolutely delicious in that role.
Louise Fletcher made Kai Wynn revolting to watch. I think that it's a testament to her skill and talent as an actress.
I don't think that Weyoun or Winn are underrated at all. I think they both get the respect as villains that they deserve.
The other characters though - spot on.
From Voyager, as a race the Hirogen, as individuals Seska, Captain Ransom (Equinox pt 1&2), and Annorax (Year of Hell pt 1&2)
You know what is sad about Winn? By her own admission, the Prophets never spoke to her. It is likely that she was the way we meet her because of that very fact. However, the Prophets didn't speak to her because they saw her villain bit at the end. Their inability to properly perceive linear time actually created a villain out of her.
The fact that Jeffrey Coombs has more than one place on this list pleases me greatly.
Back on-topic, though: I'm going to delve into a series I really don't like that much, and say one of the better villains was the Hirogen, from ST: Voyager. A lot of people saw them as "Replacement Klingons", but they're not about War like the Klingons are...they're about The Hunt, and the drive to personal excellence. If they'd been able to take that drive to things not directly related to The Hunt, they'd be an incredible culture, but what little we got out of them on ST: Voyager itself left much to be desired. (There's a book in the DS9 post-finale novelverse that has an incredible fight scene between a Hirogen and a Jem'Hadar Elder, and it's great.)
wait a second, I never knew the borg did this 2:39 when was this made known?
In universe it is hinted at, the way both Romulan and Federation outposts were "SCOOPED" was a mystery, tho that episode quickly turned to those foolish humans from our time.
Later in BoBW we see the same thing at the start. Someone will be able to explain with much more clarity but those were the early hints at the Borg, at this point they were not fully fleshed out just yet.
Star Trek has always been good a little setups for things to pay off later, for viewers who pay close attention they are rewarded. I never noticed it until many years after.
:)
@@TheRyFiNetWork I agree. I think you did a good job of explaining it already. I think the writers had different ideas of what the Borg were going to be originally (The Conspiracy aliens maybe?) so some things don’t quite add up such as The Borg scooping up entire civilisations rather than just people and technology but the idea was to build up to their reveal over time
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