Hear me out. What if he started building with his original prediction. Then with this confirmation he wanted to update the system (platinum chip) but, time was too thigh for a 100% success.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormalI mean he predicted it was almost guaranteed. This meeting likely cemented it even further to the point he decided to work towards self preservation and printing the platinum chip
@@fuoco1365 We also don't actually have confirmation that Vault-Tec really started the end of the world. All we know is that they wanted to, but there's nothing stopping the governments of the world from beating them to the punch and catching them by surprise. That'd explain why so many vaults weren't even done yet by the time it happened, why Vault Tec failed to actually take control of anything, and why the Enclave was so scattered.
@@fuoco1365 Its also possible that he might have arranged this meeting in some way. Figuring out it was inevitable so he decided to get in good with the one company that would be basically guaranteed to survive. And getting a certified date for the apocalypse.
“Come on Barb! Set ‘em straight!” He was so hoping his wife would be the voice of reason. She became instead of the preacher of the apocalypse for profit.
Dude thought she would actually say something sane and humanistic, and then she says a bunch of Doomsday Cultist shit that would make a member of the Children of the Cathedral or the Church of Atom feel exasperated. Doomsday Cultist for Profit and Power, even.
I like how House is the most critical of the plan by far and only goes quiet when he sees “the way the wind is blowing”, 🤞 we get to see much more of him in season 2 (flashbacks + new Vegas)
It's very much probable that enclave paid for many non experiment vaults (fallout 2) as test subjects/new citizens for new america. The other half may be for vault tec own rebuild plan.
Yeah I instantly got huge Enclave vibes from the man in the window telling her to mention the nuke. Feel like they are in a big unstable partnership trying to use each other for their own means
Rundown of all the corporations present at the meeting since someone asked for it: Robco: creators of several vault associated products like Pipboys, terminals, and commonly seen robots that appear in almost all games. Their rep is Mr. House himself. West-Tek: creators of all mainline T-series power armors, and also possibly had some contributions to the X-01 and other enclave related power armors. Also the creators of the FEV virus responsible for the existence of super mutants. Repconn: private aeronautics and space exploration company. Think SpaceX. Not too much lore on these guys. Big MT: short for big mountain. R&D conglomerate featured heavily in the Old World Blues DLC and have a bit of a rivalry with Robco. They have their fingers in nearly every field of science.. Sinclair, the rep also made the Sierra Madre casino featuring tons of Big MT tech. Sort of surprised they were featured in the board room meeting despite being featured in only one game and exclusively in dlc content General Atomics is notably not present at the meeting despite being the creators of common robots like the Mr. Handy seen in tons of vaults, though it could be speculated that they’re a subsidiary of Robco at this point in the timeline, as they’ve done a ton of collaborative work with Robco in the past.
The only problem that I have is Sinclair representing Big Mountain. Shouldnt it be Dr. Klein or doctor Mobius? Also West tek with the use of the FEV unknowingly made The Master
@@kassandraofodyssey6475that’s what makes me think this meeting was right before, and maybe pushed house to buy it even more🤷🏼♂️ because I knew he in fact bought them out, minding his calculations.
Based of your profile picture I presume you're an alien fan. I have two questions for you. 1: Are you interested in the new alien movie coming out soon? 2: I'm thinking of making some compilations from the alien movies. But outside of every chest burst and every face hug. I have no other ideas. Do you have any?
@EvperyoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Damm not the convo I was expecting to have in this comment section but I'm here for it dawg! 1) I absolutely am. It genuinely looks like from the teasers that they're stripping right back from the Prometheus/Covenant weirdness to make a film more like the classic film, which has me very excited. Also, honestly, any new Alien content has be excited lol. 2) Love the idea of some Alien comps. Another idea could be a Xenomorph kill compilation, or even a Xenomorph appearance compilation? That way, you've got comps of all three stages of its life cycle :)
@@ninaa4192 Those are some pretty good ideas. Will be sure to do them. Probably wont be doing them for awhile though. Also yeah, but hey. Alien conversations are fun.
Their version of this meeting was probably a lot less glamorous and sinister, with much smaller corporations. "We-we're going to destroy the world ourselves." "Bro get you guys couldn't destroy my hometown, and that's just five slowly-collapsing shacks near the highway." "I got a big lead sheet that's better protection than your Capsules." "I thought you guys were Vault-Tec." "Madam, we just sell sandwiches."
"How can we make the most money possible?" "Easy we kill everyone and blow up the world." Peak writing. Brilliantly done. This is one of the few absolutely atrocious scenes in an otherwise solid show. It makes absolutely no sense.
The whole show was pretty bad. Weird sexual humor, every character is an idiot, the brotherhood basically doesn’t care if people break the rules they are awarded and not punished, the main villain pretends she cares about the protagonist, despite sending in hungry marauders to try to murder everyone including the protagonist. Protagonist has sex with guy in first episode for the purpose of procreation, and then literally nothing about the character even thinking she is pregnant. The list goes on, Walton Goggins is hands down the best part of the show.
@@willoweable Notice how she looks up to the shadowy figure. That man is either a high ranking Enclave officer, or Vault-Tec's CEO. Barb looks at her pipboy, as if she had just received a message. And then she reveals the guarantee for the results Mr. House was questioning
@@BasedHorrigan yes. That's why it's vault tech CEO. Because that's her boss. Not enclave...unless vault tech CEO got an enclave officer to, for some reason, oversee his plans.
The people who started the enclave are all most likely sitting in that circle. The enclave started after the bombs were dropped. It's most likely the vault tech president/ruler. One of the rich and wealthy who left earth to colonize another planet an use data obtained by the vaults.
I think its either Enclave or higher-ups at Vault Tec. I'm not sure Vault Tec is 100% onboard with the Enclave, because of that Bud Askins line where he says "Do you think we're gonna revive a failed nation?"
I feel like the Enclave, or at least those that escaped to the oil rig and then would become the Enclave had their say in this. I mean, who else would the people above them be? Someone commented on Oxhorn's video that Moldaver might also have been collaborating with them. She had to somehow survive 200 years after all, and as far as we know, she's the one who invented cold fusion. How could the Enclave scientist have the crucial piece to start it without her help?
Maybe the secret ruler of a vault tech? You know the secret president we've never met. Why does it have to be enclave? Just because the enclave are bad doesn't mean they run everything. The enclave started AFTER the great war. Not before. Vault tech used the vaults to gain data on people so the rich and wealthy, most likely the vault tech president and whoever he allowed, could leave earth when the bombs dropped and colonize a new world. The enclave are politicians, vault tech reps, and CEOs who didn't have the necessary ability to leave earth. Instead they waited everything out on an oil rig. Most likely the people in this room, not the one watching above, are people in the enclave or people who started the enclave.
You know, I know its just another Bethesda writing blunder, but I can totally buy that in actuality he was just told face to face by Vault-Tec that they were gonna start the Nuclear War, and then by the time of NV he just pretends he masterfully "predicted" it. A lot of Fallout fans don't take into consideration that he can just lie.
If i had to guess why Sinclair is the rep for Big MT it'd probably be because the scientists themselves never leave so they asked Sinclair to go for them since they're such close associates and probably has a big stake in them at that
The show: “Vault-Tec is the prime conspirator and the driving force behind all these conspiracies!” The games: “RobCo, West-Tek, and Big MT are already waaaay ahead of Vault-Tec by this point”
I think Vault-Tech is just a stage prop for the Enclave. They are being allowed to think that their running the show, everyone at that table is, but in reality they are all dancing to the strings of people like the man in the shadows. House, to some degree realizes this, and pursues his own path as best he can while the rest are slowly used up and discarded.
@@rainbowsixODST I'm fairly certain the Enclave was very reliant on the Vault Dwellers to repopulate the country after they cleared out all the "mutants"
These companies may be ahead of Vault-tec, but they still were behind vault-tec with this specific technology and within the business of doomsday prep. Sinclair tried to build his own vault at Sierra Madre, and we all know how that ended. House personally comes out of the war relatively fine, but Rob-co as a company doesn’t really exist in the same sense after the war, it’s just House and whatever resources he can acquire. None of the companies really survive the war intact as functional, organized entities, but Vault-tec certainly has the highest corporate presence remaining in the wasteland, so they faired somewhat better than most of the people at this table.
@@lskulski Technically, Sinclair intentionally sabotaged his own plan when he found out what Vera and Dean were planning. Big MT is doing just fine as it was, as shown in Old World Blues. RobCo as a company name no longer exists, but all its resources are still controlled by House, essentially living on through him. True, none were as widespread as Vault-Tec, but the other companies arguably executed their own plans much more efficiently than Vault-Tec
@@bsgfan1 I don’t know if I’d say big mt is not doing just fine, it’s just 6 insane brains in jars now. What I really mean is none of these companies really exist in the formal sense of how a modern company would classify itself existing. I think Vault Tec comes the closest to still existing because they activity tried to preserve their corporate structure and company assets. House kept what was useful, but left a lot of the old corporate world behind as he reshaped his resources into an autocratic government. The Think Tank abandoned the company aspect of Big Mt altogether, and are now just researching whatever they want. I’d say House and the Think Tank did something ultimately more successful than vault tec, but Vault tec managed to walk away with most of their company intact and safely in crysostasis with the goal of reforming as corporate entity.
VAULT 120 IS CANONIZED OMG! You can barely see it at max UA-cam resolution, but out in the ocean in the Stellwagen Bank reserve, there's a little blue dot for the underwater vault with the cyborg squid overseer.
Someone said it could be thomas eckhart, the first president after the bombs fell. He was in Appalachia, trying get more power and it's likely he was pushing it. High Ranking Enclave.
I have a feeling they will do something dumb and have it be Giles Wolstencroft. Assistant CEO of Vault Tec who was abducted by Zetans before the war during construction of Vault 76, thus confirming the theory that Zetans were responsible for the bombs.
They missed the mark with the actor they chose for Sinclair. Just imagining that guy pining for Vera Keyes makes my skin crawl. And the idea that House knew about all this makes a lot of the things he says in FNV ring very hollow, and makes betraying him and trapping him in his life support machine feel very cathartic.
Another lore fact they bungled: Frederick Sinclair was never a member of Big MT. He was merely an associate since he contracted them to help build the Sierra Madre, and even then, he didn’t like dealing with them. Now apparently he’s an executive for them 🤦🏽♂️
"The only way to maintain profits is for the world to end and all of humanity to live in vaults!" ... What? ....... I'm sorry, but again: What? Are we meant to take this seriously? What company thinks that the best way to remain profitable is for all infrastructure to collapse? If they had said something like "We could rule the world from the ashes", at least that would make sense, but "profits"?! This is the dumbest thing ever.
Vault-Tec: the company that built the Vaults and had experiments to the Vault dwellers and they appeared in every Fallout game even if it’s just their Vaults and technology Robco: the company that built robots that are from Eyebots to Vendertron and they appeared from Fallout 3, New Vegas, 4, and 76 West-Tek: the company that was basically responsible for the creation of the Super Mutants with the FEV and they appeared in Fallout 1, 3, 4, and 76 Big MT: a company of scientists and they only appeared in the Old World Blues DLC for Fallout New Vegas REPCONN: a company that is like space exploration and only appeared in Fallout New Vegas
I had CHILLS the moment they suggested separating children from parents and creating super soldiers from illegal immigrants. Its not just horrifying how casually they mention it...but at the idea of Life slowly but surely imitating Art.
I mean, I get its supposed to be evil and unreasonable for the plot. But this sense of logic, even for fiction , is like a fever dream. Why would a company intentionally destroy the system they profit from just to be the "winners"? Once the destruction is done, the money won't matter. And Bud's enforcing idea which is essentially taking the world back a thousand years, but with them in charge, would somehow and some way have a different outcome then where they are presently? What exactly is the gain from this? Its like crumpling aluminum foil and expecting it to unfold back smooth. I dunno, its probably just a me thing, just wish they did this in a different way or maybe it will make sense in the next season.
No need to overthink it - after all, Fallout is basically an absurdist black comedy in the same vein as Doctor Strangelove. Besides, real life was often uncomfortably close to satire - a certain General Thomas of Strategic Air Command once declared: "Restraint? Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards. At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win!" Crazy times...
@@dannydacheedo1592 Really counterintuitive because the whole meaning behind the games and even the show is that “war never changes”. Which means capitalism, communism, socialism, brotherhood of steal or enclave. The message is very moderate and non biased, executives had to tweak that just a bit.
@@eggheadusa oh please next your going to tell me bioshock takes a moderate approach to capitalism. Media literacy is dead i swear to god. I mean have you even played fallout? It literally drips with critique of capitalism as a system ESPECIALLY in games like new vegas or the first game.
Not. I mean there are a lot of other corporations that probably should have been there but aren't. Nuka cola already has vault tec connections and probably could provide significant funds if needed. But aren't present either.
look i am not being racist here. but why west tek having kinda asian actor? i though in fallout series. US in pre war have fight against chinese communist (red menace). so there's got to be anti sentiment against asian, right?
I checked the credits. The character is "Leon Von Felden" and is played by james yaegashi who is a Japanese actor. Japan isn't mentioned much in fallout but Japan and the usa weren't on good terms. So it still doesn't make much sense. Leon Von Felden is the head of the FEV project at mariposa and west tek so fallout 76 and fallout 1. That explains why he's there but I suppose it could be explained by him being a high up at west tek before the war begun and he just stayed on during it, possibly being blackmailed by the usa government to work on FEV otherwise he'd be deported or something like that.
@@artvandelay94I think the US burned a LOT of bridges when it annexed Canada, especially when word got out that the military used a heavy hand against Canadian civilians in more than a few occasions
Definitely one of "those with real power". She's just a speaker. Highest figure in fallout seems to be the Enclave, but who knows, maybe next series will turn the tables once more.
Every single one of them will fail one after the other. Does not matter how much protection you think you have. Water wont solve the issues.... Without atmosphere and with massive heat increase the whole crust will go into a process similar to cometary process "Sublimation is the transition of a substance directly from the solid to the gas state, without passing through the liquid state."ù Even deep within the sea you wont be safe.....That also include you AI
Why is everyone saying the mysterious guy in the dark watching the meeting is "the enclave"? Like have you people forgotten the enclave were a group of politicians, vault tec reps, and ceos that ran away to an offshore oil rig when the bombs dropped? The enclave are not some secret organization that dropped the bombs from the start. That was vault tech. Vault tech, along with politicians and other roch wealthy people, ran away from earth after the bombs dropped to try and start a new colony. The enclave are a remnant of leaders, ceos and vault tech who don't have the resources to go to space. More then likely, the guy sitting above in the dark, is either the president and secret ruler of vault tech, or the president of the united states himself. Not enclave.
That's what I'm saying, though technically they are wrong, it's just possibly somebody who plays a huge role, or becomes part of the Enclave later on. Possibly one of the individuals who were fundamental for it's invention and continuation.
@@ZippingHorizon I actually am. I'm kind of a bad speller this isn't the first time I've made a spelling mistake in a title. I try to fix them when they're pointed out.
Yup, this is the bit that I didn't buy. The lore is stupid and the delivery is worse. Conspiracies and villains meeting in poorly lit spaces are so cliched; that's not how real people communicate.
Notice how the quality of the show dropped off a cliff on this scene? Key phrases "make america great" and "loose money running a casino". These are Trump references. Plus the original story is of war with the communists...now, business is the bad guy, or something. This entire scene was altered to serve the party, not the story.
"Make America Great Again" was a Reagan quote from 1979 first, in reference to overturning a worsening housing crisis and economic fall. This makes it directly link to this bunch trying to make their Vaults the only housing game in town. And the "casino losing money" bit? ...It's Mr. Fucking House saying it. The guy who runs *the* casino in New Vegas after all this blows over. It's a cheeky nod to his future status. Can you climb down out of the tanning bed disaster's crack long enough to recognize this is dialogue that fits the scene and game setting?
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@0:33 Mr. House saying “losing money running a casino” to Sinclair because he’s owner of the sierra madre in the New Vegas DLC
I know
That place was depressing it made me feel super down it was cool I liked but wow I think it was pretty amazing in a way
@@mullet_ps4152 yea, "learn to let go"....
Let go of poverty cuz I got all 37 gold bars bitches. Im going to bet it all on green at the tops
The whole series is a memberberry after another
@INRamos13 LMAO. No it's not. You probably clap at the end of Marvel Movies.
I really felt bad for Coop after he says "Come on, Barb, set 'em straight."
Coop after Barb’s monologue: “NOT THAT STRAIGHT…!”
@@mr.skateandwatch she said “scared straight, you say?”😂😂
woke shit show, what a waste of a franchise
@@orimoreau3138okg is that gorillaz
No wonder Mr.House had accurate predictions and defenses for when the nukes fell.
Well he said he predicted it in 2065. Which would have fallen at least a decade before this date.
Hear me out. What if he started building with his original prediction. Then with this confirmation he wanted to update the system (platinum chip) but, time was too thigh for a 100% success.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormalI mean he predicted it was almost guaranteed.
This meeting likely cemented it even further to the point he decided to work towards self preservation and printing the platinum chip
@@fuoco1365 We also don't actually have confirmation that Vault-Tec really started the end of the world. All we know is that they wanted to, but there's nothing stopping the governments of the world from beating them to the punch and catching them by surprise. That'd explain why so many vaults weren't even done yet by the time it happened, why Vault Tec failed to actually take control of anything, and why the Enclave was so scattered.
@@fuoco1365 Its also possible that he might have arranged this meeting in some way. Figuring out it was inevitable so he decided to get in good with the one company that would be basically guaranteed to survive. And getting a certified date for the apocalypse.
“Come on Barb! Set ‘em straight!” He was so hoping his wife would be the voice of reason. She became instead of the preacher of the apocalypse for profit.
And Yet all of their plan excluding Mr. House failed can't wait for the Vault Tech to see the giant failure that is there.
I think we all died a little with cooper there😞
A prophet for profit.
Dude thought she would actually say something sane and humanistic, and then she says a bunch of Doomsday Cultist shit that would make a member of the Children of the Cathedral or the Church of Atom feel exasperated. Doomsday Cultist for Profit and Power, even.
I like how House is the most critical of the plan by far and only goes quiet when he sees “the way the wind is blowing”, 🤞 we get to see much more of him in season 2 (flashbacks + new Vegas)
Although House made his prediction on the destruction, this meeting seems like an ace up his sleeve to assure his plans are moving correctly.
Its the enclave in the shadows telling his wife what to say its got to be and they really run the show
Is that Augustus Autum in the Shadows ?
It must be. A huge meeting with the largest Corporations involved. None of this would have been possible without the Enclave.
It's very much probable that enclave paid for many non experiment vaults (fallout 2) as test subjects/new citizens for new america. The other half may be for vault tec own rebuild plan.
Yeah I instantly got huge Enclave vibes from the man in the window telling her to mention the nuke.
Feel like they are in a big unstable partnership trying to use each other for their own means
The conspiracy *
Rundown of all the corporations present at the meeting since someone asked for it:
Robco: creators of several vault associated products like Pipboys, terminals, and commonly seen robots that appear in almost all games. Their rep is Mr. House himself.
West-Tek: creators of all mainline T-series power armors, and also possibly had some contributions to the X-01 and other enclave related power armors. Also the creators of the FEV virus responsible for the existence of super mutants.
Repconn: private aeronautics and space exploration company. Think SpaceX. Not too much lore on these guys.
Big MT: short for big mountain. R&D conglomerate featured heavily in the Old World Blues DLC and have a bit of a rivalry with Robco. They have their fingers in nearly every field of science.. Sinclair, the rep also made the Sierra Madre casino featuring tons of Big MT tech. Sort of surprised they were featured in the board room meeting despite being featured in only one game and exclusively in dlc content
General Atomics is notably not present at the meeting despite being the creators of common robots like the Mr. Handy seen in tons of vaults, though it could be speculated that they’re a subsidiary of Robco at this point in the timeline, as they’ve done a ton of collaborative work with Robco in the past.
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The only problem that I have is Sinclair representing Big Mountain. Shouldnt it be Dr. Klein or doctor Mobius? Also West tek with the use of the FEV unknowingly made The Master
We also don't see:
Poisedon Energy
Arcjet Systems (I'm assuming they are part of Repconn)
Hallucigen (Probably also part of WestTek)
But REPCONN is also a subsidiary of RobCo, bought in 2075.
@@kassandraofodyssey6475that’s what makes me think this meeting was right before, and maybe pushed house to buy it even more🤷🏼♂️ because I knew he in fact bought them out, minding his calculations.
If Greed had a maximum level, it will be this scene.
Am I the only one who see at 1:27 atomic mushroom cloud?
Not anymore. I see it now also.
Awesome catch
Fitting for the scene.
Halo of death
Great catch! Had to be intentional. This show is awesome
Saw another comment somewhere that's so real:
"As soon as I saw Mr House there, I was like, oh damn he's here spying on these fools."
Based of your profile picture I presume you're an alien fan. I have two questions for you.
1: Are you interested in the new alien movie coming out soon?
2: I'm thinking of making some compilations from the alien movies. But outside of every chest burst and every face hug. I have no other ideas. Do you have any?
@EvperyoneElseIsWeirdImNormal Damm not the convo I was expecting to have in this comment section but I'm here for it dawg!
1) I absolutely am. It genuinely looks like from the teasers that they're stripping right back from the Prometheus/Covenant weirdness to make a film more like the classic film, which has me very excited. Also, honestly, any new Alien content has be excited lol.
2) Love the idea of some Alien comps. Another idea could be a Xenomorph kill compilation, or even a Xenomorph appearance compilation? That way, you've got comps of all three stages of its life cycle :)
@@ninaa4192 Those are some pretty good ideas. Will be sure to do them. Probably wont be doing them for awhile though.
Also yeah, but hey. Alien conversations are fun.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormallooking forwards to it bro! And you're right; Alien convos are the best
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well its nuclear protection on a budget lol
Fucking super mutants somehow shot me through those.
@@mullet_ps4152 The budget: Ten dollars and a quarter I left on my pockets in 2068
Their version of this meeting was probably a lot less glamorous and sinister, with much smaller corporations.
"We-we're going to destroy the world ourselves."
"Bro get you guys couldn't destroy my hometown, and that's just five slowly-collapsing shacks near the highway."
"I got a big lead sheet that's better protection than your Capsules."
"I thought you guys were Vault-Tec."
"Madam, we just sell sandwiches."
2:22 so excited for this reveal in the future
Who do you think they can be.
Not enough people are talking about this!!
It’s either the as of yet unnamed CEO of Vault-Tec or a high ranking Enclave official. Only time will tell.
that shadow man looks like Thomas Eckhart
It could be him honestly. Or another senior enclave official.
Could be. He was a known warmonger of his time, and was in favor of preemptive nuclear strike on China.
I'm kinda hoping it's Ron Perlman, miss him as the narrator.
@@samuelcotler7090if Ron Perlman isn’t part of the show imma be pissed. He’s that vital to the series.
@@Legba85 YES. Preach, y’all!!!
"How can we make the most money possible?"
"Easy we kill everyone and blow up the world."
Peak writing. Brilliantly done. This is one of the few absolutely atrocious scenes in an otherwise solid show. It makes absolutely no sense.
The whole show was pretty bad. Weird sexual humor, every character is an idiot, the brotherhood basically doesn’t care if people break the rules they are awarded and not punished, the main villain pretends she cares about the protagonist, despite sending in hungry marauders to try to murder everyone including the protagonist. Protagonist has sex with guy in first episode for the purpose of procreation, and then literally nothing about the character even thinking she is pregnant. The list goes on, Walton Goggins is hands down the best part of the show.
People say that Vault Tec are the bad guys, but Barb got the idea of dropping the nukes from the Enclave pretty much
Nihilus!
LMAO you like making shit up?
@@willoweable Notice how she looks up to the shadowy figure. That man is either a high ranking Enclave officer, or Vault-Tec's CEO. Barb looks at her pipboy, as if she had just received a message. And then she reveals the guarantee for the results Mr. House was questioning
@@BasedHorrigan yes. That's why it's vault tech CEO. Because that's her boss. Not enclave...unless vault tech CEO got an enclave officer to, for some reason, oversee his plans.
@@willoweable vault tec goes pretty much hand in hand with the Enclave
Guy who played Bud did so great at playing a sketchy executive. "because after all, what is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction?" chills!
You think the shadowy figures up in the rafters watching the meeting are the people who started the Enclave?
or folks like Braun
The Enclave was already there I think at that time, it was a parallel government organization
The people who started the enclave are all most likely sitting in that circle. The enclave started after the bombs were dropped. It's most likely the vault tech president/ruler. One of the rich and wealthy who left earth to colonize another planet an use data obtained by the vaults.
I think its either Enclave or higher-ups at Vault Tec.
I'm not sure Vault Tec is 100% onboard with the Enclave, because of that Bud Askins line where he says "Do you think we're gonna revive a failed nation?"
Stolz was on the board so maybe they were in the shadows as well
I feel like the Enclave, or at least those that escaped to the oil rig and then would become the Enclave had their say in this. I mean, who else would the people above them be?
Someone commented on Oxhorn's video that Moldaver might also have been collaborating with them. She had to somehow survive 200 years after all, and as far as we know, she's the one who invented cold fusion.
How could the Enclave scientist have the crucial piece to start it without her help?
Maybe the secret ruler of a vault tech? You know the secret president we've never met. Why does it have to be enclave? Just because the enclave are bad doesn't mean they run everything. The enclave started AFTER the great war. Not before. Vault tech used the vaults to gain data on people so the rich and wealthy, most likely the vault tech president and whoever he allowed, could leave earth when the bombs dropped and colonize a new world. The enclave are politicians, vault tech reps, and CEOs who didn't have the necessary ability to leave earth. Instead they waited everything out on an oil rig. Most likely the people in this room, not the one watching above, are people in the enclave or people who started the enclave.
You know, I know its just another Bethesda writing blunder, but I can totally buy that in actuality he was just told face to face by Vault-Tec that they were gonna start the Nuclear War, and then by the time of NV he just pretends he masterfully "predicted" it. A lot of Fallout fans don't take into consideration that he can just lie.
idk why the way rafi silver enunciates "cah-see-no" at 0:35 just makes me chuckle
If i had to guess why Sinclair is the rep for Big MT it'd probably be because the scientists themselves never leave so they asked Sinclair to go for them since they're such close associates and probably has a big stake in them at that
More or less, plus i like to think they heard Rob-co was gonna be there and Dr 0 had a fit
"James Yaegashi once again plays an immoral scientist that gets killed karmically by man in metal suit"
i jus realised the earpiece kinda looks like a nuke
The show: “Vault-Tec is the prime conspirator and the driving force behind all these conspiracies!”
The games: “RobCo, West-Tek, and Big MT are already waaaay ahead of Vault-Tec by this point”
I think Vault-Tech is just a stage prop for the Enclave. They are being allowed to think that their running the show, everyone at that table is, but in reality they are all dancing to the strings of people like the man in the shadows. House, to some degree realizes this, and pursues his own path as best he can while the rest are slowly used up and discarded.
@@rainbowsixODST I'm fairly certain the Enclave was very reliant on the Vault Dwellers to repopulate the country after they cleared out all the "mutants"
These companies may be ahead of Vault-tec, but they still were behind vault-tec with this specific technology and within the business of doomsday prep. Sinclair tried to build his own vault at Sierra Madre, and we all know how that ended. House personally comes out of the war relatively fine, but Rob-co as a company doesn’t really exist in the same sense after the war, it’s just House and whatever resources he can acquire. None of the companies really survive the war intact as functional, organized entities, but Vault-tec certainly has the highest corporate presence remaining in the wasteland, so they faired somewhat better than most of the people at this table.
@@lskulski Technically, Sinclair intentionally sabotaged his own plan when he found out what Vera and Dean were planning. Big MT is doing just fine as it was, as shown in Old World Blues. RobCo as a company name no longer exists, but all its resources are still controlled by House, essentially living on through him. True, none were as widespread as Vault-Tec, but the other companies arguably executed their own plans much more efficiently than Vault-Tec
@@bsgfan1 I don’t know if I’d say big mt is not doing just fine, it’s just 6 insane brains in jars now. What I really mean is none of these companies really exist in the formal sense of how a modern company would classify itself existing. I think Vault Tec comes the closest to still existing because they activity tried to preserve their corporate structure and company assets. House kept what was useful, but left a lot of the old corporate world behind as he reshaped his resources into an autocratic government. The Think Tank abandoned the company aspect of Big Mt altogether, and are now just researching whatever they want. I’d say House and the Think Tank did something ultimately more successful than vault tec, but Vault tec managed to walk away with most of their company intact and safely in crysostasis with the goal of reforming as corporate entity.
So the assistant that walks out before this clip starts. Is that a young betty?
Yes.
Considering Cooper says, "I'm fine, Betty" yes, yes it is.
The actor playing the West-Tek representative also voiced the infamous Dr. Suchong from the Bioshock games. 😂
Little funny since Robert House is sometimes compared to Arlan Glass also from BioShock.
VAULT 120 IS CANONIZED OMG! You can barely see it at max UA-cam resolution, but out in the ocean in the Stellwagen Bank reserve, there's a little blue dot for the underwater vault with the cyborg squid overseer.
Well, even if there is a vault there. We can't be certain that the lore (Limited as that may be) of the vault is identical.
1:06 one of the shadow figure is moldaver. She have a rimless bottom glasses when cooper met her. Thats probably how she knew Cooper's wife is bad.
Fun theory but a dumb one really.
They type cast Malcolm McDowell, it could be enclave lurking in the shadows above the meeting
Sinclair is really off the mark... he was supposed to be a doomed Hollywood Golden Age hero, basically.
2:22 is that Braun watching from the window?
Or a pretty high military person and in that case, possibly the Enclave.
Someone said it could be thomas eckhart, the first president after the bombs fell. He was in Appalachia, trying get more power and it's likely he was pushing it. High Ranking Enclave.
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I have a feeling they will do something dumb and have it be Giles Wolstencroft. Assistant CEO of Vault Tec who was abducted by Zetans before the war during construction of Vault 76, thus confirming the theory that Zetans were responsible for the bombs.
They missed the mark with the actor they chose for Sinclair. Just imagining that guy pining for Vera Keyes makes my skin crawl. And the idea that House knew about all this makes a lot of the things he says in FNV ring very hollow, and makes betraying him and trapping him in his life support machine feel very cathartic.
This was after his prediction though which is why he is skeptical
Remember the Mojave vaults were probably the most screwed up ones
Doesn’t Mr. House own Repconn he had one of his own people at the meeting so he’d have more power, the house always wins
He owns robco not repconn
Mr House purchased Repconn in 2076. I'm not sure if it was a full absolute acquisition though, because Repconn was still doing their own thing.
@@Pestondemand but he purchased repconn at some point before the bombs dropped
Another lore fact they bungled: Frederick Sinclair was never a member of Big MT. He was merely an associate since he contracted them to help build the Sierra Madre, and even then, he didn’t like dealing with them. Now apparently he’s an executive for them 🤦🏽♂️
@@bsgfan1 I heard they're representatives for each of the corporations, and not the execs themselves
I'll admit too I was confused as well
Mr House Fallout New Vegas
Barb looks very similar to Betty.
The younger Betty is literally in this scene. She's the one who bring Hank to Cooper for autograph.
@@mtsen771 Thanks for pointing it out to me. I missed that detail the first time I watched.
@@natebit8130 So did I. Took me a second viewing of the show to catch it.
Realized it was betty when she came back in
2:25 I hope we get more info on this spooky figure next season
"The only way to maintain profits is for the world to end and all of humanity to live in vaults!"
... What?
....... I'm sorry, but again: What?
Are we meant to take this seriously? What company thinks that the best way to remain profitable is for all infrastructure to collapse? If they had said something like "We could rule the world from the ashes", at least that would make sense, but "profits"?! This is the dumbest thing ever.
Their plan:
Step 1: Destroy the world
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit
can someone describe the companies to me and what games they appear in?
Vault-Tec: the company that built the Vaults and had experiments to the Vault dwellers and they appeared in every Fallout game even if it’s just their Vaults and technology
Robco: the company that built robots that are from Eyebots to Vendertron and they appeared from Fallout 3, New Vegas, 4, and 76
West-Tek: the company that was basically responsible for the creation of the Super Mutants with the FEV and they appeared in Fallout 1, 3, 4, and 76
Big MT: a company of scientists and they only appeared in the Old World Blues DLC for Fallout New Vegas
REPCONN: a company that is like space exploration and only appeared in Fallout New Vegas
@@ethancurtsinger172 Thank you so much.
I had CHILLS the moment they suggested separating children from parents and creating super soldiers from illegal immigrants.
Its not just horrifying how casually they mention it...but at the idea of Life slowly but surely imitating Art.
I mean, I get its supposed to be evil and unreasonable for the plot. But this sense of logic, even for fiction , is like a fever dream. Why would a company intentionally destroy the system they profit from just to be the "winners"? Once the destruction is done, the money won't matter. And Bud's enforcing idea which is essentially taking the world back a thousand years, but with them in charge, would somehow and some way have a different outcome then where they are presently? What exactly is the gain from this? Its like crumpling aluminum foil and expecting it to unfold back smooth. I dunno, its probably just a me thing, just wish they did this in a different way or maybe it will make sense in the next season.
No need to overthink it - after all, Fallout is basically an absurdist black comedy in the same vein as Doctor Strangelove. Besides, real life was often uncomfortably close to satire - a certain General Thomas of Strategic Air Command once declared: "Restraint? Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards. At the end of the war if there are two Americans and one Russian left alive, we win!"
Crazy times...
Money matters if the new world youre looking to build and populate still holds the old values.
What is the sound or song playing when they are talking beginning the video. Anybody knows?
No way his wife won’t be a villian in one of the upcoming seasons
The big mountain representative is Doctor 8 from old world blues
Its not its Sinclair from Dead Money dlc.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal so the cast is wrong it appears more doctor 8
Its in the credits and Mr. House calls him "Freddie boy" and throws some shade for spending all his money on a Casino.
Barb is the worst out of them all.
Does anyone know who doesn't take the Vault Tec deal?
Wasn't there someone who left the meeting?
I wonder why the Enclave was not in the meeting…
They may have been the shadowy people above.
Poseidon Energy isn't there either, them and the organization that becomes the enclave are in bed with each other
You guys think this is the same Cooper that worked for Wattz Consumer Electronics?
Enclave are my favourite villains and if I could join em I would lol
Bruh, Mother's Milk finna crash out if he finds out that his wife initiated a genocide 😂😂😂😂
Who do you think the people in the shadows are? (1:03, 1:54, 2:23)
The Enclave probably
Did they just fire their writing team at the end or something? This makes no sense at all.
Shoehorned in propaganda, it’s in every major Hollywood show or movie
@@eggheadusa "Capitalism bad" brought to you by Amazon
@@dannydacheedo1592 Really counterintuitive because the whole meaning behind the games and even the show is that “war never changes”.
Which means capitalism, communism, socialism, brotherhood of steal or enclave.
The message is very moderate and non biased, executives had to tweak that just a bit.
@dannydacheedo1592 you know that's fallout's major theme right?
@@eggheadusa oh please next your going to tell me bioshock takes a moderate approach to capitalism. Media literacy is dead i swear to god. I mean have you even played fallout? It literally drips with critique of capitalism as a system ESPECIALLY in games like new vegas or the first game.
Anyone find Sinclair's apperence in this off, or the fact he's representing Big Mt?
Where was general atomics in this meeting?
Not.
I mean there are a lot of other corporations that probably should have been there but aren't. Nuka cola already has vault tec connections and probably could provide significant funds if needed. But aren't present either.
look i am not being racist here. but why west tek having kinda asian actor? i though in fallout series. US in pre war have fight against chinese communist (red menace). so there's got to be anti sentiment against asian, right?
idk this is the year of 2077 but u do make a good point of something even as relevant since 9/11 with muslims.
I checked the credits. The character is "Leon Von Felden" and is played by james yaegashi who is a Japanese actor. Japan isn't mentioned much in fallout but Japan and the usa weren't on good terms. So it still doesn't make much sense.
Leon Von Felden is the head of the FEV project at mariposa and west tek so fallout 76 and fallout 1. That explains why he's there but I suppose it could be explained by him being a high up at west tek before the war begun and he just stayed on during it, possibly being blackmailed by the usa government to work on FEV otherwise he'd be deported or something like that.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormalwhy would the US and Japan not be on good terms in the Fallout universe?
@@artvandelay94 I just checked the fallout wiki. Its not very reliable but its all I really had to go off without doing a whole deep lore search.
@@artvandelay94I think the US burned a LOT of bridges when it annexed Canada, especially when word got out that the military used a heavy hand against Canadian civilians in more than a few occasions
Theories on who the shadow figure is? My take: Probably president of Enclave faction.
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Definitely one of "those with real power". She's just a speaker. Highest figure in fallout seems to be the Enclave, but who knows, maybe next series will turn the tables once more.
Every single one of them will fail one after the other. Does not matter how much protection you think you have. Water wont solve the issues.... Without atmosphere and with massive heat increase the whole crust will go into a process similar to cometary process "Sublimation is the transition of a substance directly from the solid to the gas state, without passing through the liquid state."ù
Even deep within the sea you wont be safe.....That also include you AI
This to me says the Enclave was separate from this and opposed to it
You can literally see the shadow guy wearing a Enclave uniform suit
Nah man. Enclave was always meant to be post nuclear war continuation of government. It's what the name means even .
@@BrandonLacruzArtis he really wearing one?
@@BrandonLacruzArtno you can't?????
@@willoweable i just see the Blazer uniform turtle neck high range enclave officers use to wear
2:20 ......."Incoming message from: George Soros"
This scene was so awesome for me seeing all the pre war big players some of which we already know.
Glory to the enclave!
Why is everyone saying the mysterious guy in the dark watching the meeting is "the enclave"? Like have you people forgotten the enclave were a group of politicians, vault tec reps, and ceos that ran away to an offshore oil rig when the bombs dropped? The enclave are not some secret organization that dropped the bombs from the start. That was vault tech. Vault tech, along with politicians and other roch wealthy people, ran away from earth after the bombs dropped to try and start a new colony. The enclave are a remnant of leaders, ceos and vault tech who don't have the resources to go to space. More then likely, the guy sitting above in the dark, is either the president and secret ruler of vault tech, or the president of the united states himself. Not enclave.
That's what I'm saying, though technically they are wrong, it's just possibly somebody who plays a huge role, or becomes part of the Enclave later on. Possibly one of the individuals who were fundamental for it's invention and continuation.
@@willoweable vault tec exists solely to serve the enclave plans
That was Frank Horrigan sitting in the Shadows.
Lol
Meting
39,250 views and you are the FIRST to point it out. Thanks I'll fix it now.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal You can't be serious
Edit: autocorrect sucks
@@ZippingHorizon I actually am. I'm kind of a bad speller this isn't the first time I've made a spelling mistake in a title. I try to fix them when they're pointed out.
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal No worries, even happens to the best of us lol but good on you for fixing it
This show literally ruined everything
Is the acting supposed to be terrible on purpose?
There are more terrible acting like Halo and terrible games like call of duty but okay lmao
It is not terrible, you are objectively wrong, go away.
this writing is so bad lol
Yup, this is the bit that I didn't buy. The lore is stupid and the delivery is worse. Conspiracies and villains meeting in poorly lit spaces are so cliched; that's not how real people communicate.
I mean there’s shitty games like Fortnite played be morons and call of duty too but okay.
Notice how the quality of the show dropped off a cliff on this scene?
Key phrases "make america great" and "loose money running a casino". These are Trump references. Plus the original story is of war with the communists...now, business is the bad guy, or something.
This entire scene was altered to serve the party, not the story.
"Make America Great Again" was a Reagan quote from 1979 first, in reference to overturning a worsening housing crisis and economic fall. This makes it directly link to this bunch trying to make their Vaults the only housing game in town.
And the "casino losing money" bit? ...It's Mr. Fucking House saying it. The guy who runs *the* casino in New Vegas after all this blows over. It's a cheeky nod to his future status.
Can you climb down out of the tanning bed disaster's crack long enough to recognize this is dialogue that fits the scene and game setting?