Where Do Super Sonic Battles Go From Here?

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  • @JustMaxT
    @JustMaxT 10 місяців тому +11

    SUBER SOBIC

  • @playbossthebest936
    @playbossthebest936 10 місяців тому +24

    WE'RE GOING DOWNHILL AFTER THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @CaptainF123
    @CaptainF123 8 місяців тому +2

    If they do 1 boss fight for Super Spnic then they should give regular Sonic story neccessary boss fights.
    All of the guardians are completely optional and you can beat Frontiers without fighting any of them.
    Remember the 2000's Eggman boss fights those were pretty good and with Frontiers combat we could get smth really cool like imagine Egg Viper but if it were designed around Frontiers Combat.

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  8 місяців тому

      I absolutely agree! Normal Sonic should have more to do combat wise instead of, like you said, random optional bosses around the map.

  • @G_Sense
    @G_Sense 10 місяців тому +5

    3:39 I agree, I think they could do something like how in Yakuza upgrading specific moves will extend the amount of time it lasts/add special finishers. Like in Yakuza theres a normal 3 hit combo with a strong hit, but if you get an upgrade you can do a leg kick right after the strong hit. Stuff like that for Super Sonic would make him a lot more interesting instead of giving him an entirely different move set and making us feel confused.

    • @its_hansolo
      @its_hansolo 10 місяців тому +1

      or just unleashed progression just more expanded

  • @Armageddon_Z
    @Armageddon_Z 10 місяців тому +2

    I feel like Super sonics moves in the next game should be
    1. More Flashy and Grandeous compared to Normal sonic
    2. Super Sonic should definitely be able to knock around the boss more (like the Clyoop and grandslam attacks abilities)
    3. It should definitely Be saved for the final fight
    4. He should definitely feel FASTER
    5. Additional Super Sonic only moves that are used to deal with the boss' attacks as some sort of counter

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому +1

      I agree 100%

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому

      ​@@GDubA alright your video is interesting but hear me out how about we talk about Super Sonic as a boss fight in a future game that's a pretty dope concept to me

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      @@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 if you’re talking about fighting against super sonic then that’s actually dope. Imagine just switching to like Eggman in a mech to fight him.

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому

      @@GDubA yeah that's what i'm talking about in future games Sega and Sonic Team should make the villains be playable again and have the heroes as boss fights

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому

      @@GDubA Sonic as a boss fight can be absolutely dope if executed well and Super Sonic as a boss fight can be even better

  • @roiitzkovich4545
    @roiitzkovich4545 10 місяців тому +5

    I have a pitch for the next open zone Sonic game:
    Eggman again conquers the world and our heroes are trying to stop him. There are several open zone maps of old and new locations (each map is called "a region"). To save a region from Eggman's control, Sonic must transform into Super Sonic and fight the major egg-robo in each region. Unfortunately, Sonic used the cyber corruption power from Frontiers to its limits. As a result, Super Sonic has been weakened. Sonic cannot always transform. He keeps the transformation to the big boss fights.
    Sonic has all the emeralds at all times so he isn't collecting them as the main McGuffins. Instead, Sonic needs to collect chaos energy shards in the open zone (essentially that game's equivalent of memory tokens) to power up the emeralds, so eventually he'll be able to transform.
    You still fight bosses in the open zone. However, instead of portal gears, you get route keys, which unlock normal boost stages ala cyberspace (I decided to change the collectables because cyberspace isn't relevant to that game's story).
    You play the normal boost stages to get seal breakers, which open the path to the big egg-robo fight of the region. If you've collected enough chaos energy shards and broke the seal, you can do the big boss fight of the region.
    Some ideas for Super Sonic fights: He can rip off a part of an egg-robo and throw it into its chest.
    He can do a headbutt fight with the robot, where Sonic goes through the entirety of the robot's body.
    He can cyloop a robot, kick it into the ocean and then the robot explodes from all the water.
    He can fly very high and then fall at a high velocity towards the robot and kick him at top speed (like in Nazo Unleashed).
    I would love to hear opinions about my pitch.

    • @arvinrufo7061
      @arvinrufo7061 10 місяців тому +2

      This sounds really good!

    • @arvinrufo7061
      @arvinrufo7061 10 місяців тому

      Maybe the other characters, at the end, get a Super form (or something similar), and we see an epic anime-like montage of sheer teamwork and strength 🤔

    • @roiitzkovich4545
      @roiitzkovich4545 10 місяців тому +2

      @@arvinrufo7061 That's something I thought to keep for the final boss. Tails, Knuckles and Amy are also going super after Sonic "super charges" them. The other 3 distract the final boss, while Sonic flies really high to do the falling kick attack I mentioned before. You still only play as Sonic (I feel like making all of the super forms playable will be redundant), but you can see Tails, Knuckles and Amy fighting in the background.
      The story in each region pretty much boils down to collecting chaos energy shards. You explore the regions with all 4 characters (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy) since there are certain missions only they can access. Like in the final horizon, you need to go to a certain location to switch between characters because otherwise you'll be able to cheese everything with Tails' Cyclone. I know it's like DK64, but you can fast travel to the switching station, and backtracking shouldn't be too problematic because the characters are running very fast.
      You do some character interactions with old friends after collecting enough shards to progress the region's story (like how you need memory tokens to talk to your friends in Frontiers). For example, in one of the regions, you meet team dark. You have some conversations with Shadow about how it is to work for G.U.N despite how much trouble they caused him in the past, and he says: "I let my past go. And I hope they did too. In G.U.N, I can serve great purposes and help those in need. That's what I promised to Maria".
      Knuckles also has some trash-talks with Rouge about treasure hunting and stuff.
      Tails works on a special modification to Omega because he was injured in one of their previous missions, which made him occasionally lose control and target innocents. Omega thinks: "Do you think I'll always be dangerous to humans? What if you aren't there to fix me"? Tails says: "I know what it's like to feel like a burden. We'll always be there to fix you if you need".
      On another island, you meet with Big, Cream and Sticks (I have no idea why Sticks is part of the main canon when she was only in the Boom series, but since Amy said in Frontiers she's part of the main canon too I guess she should be included IDGAS).
      Amy has some talks with Cream and Sticks, saying that if Sonic, Tails and Knuckles can be a team, they should be making a girl group too. Sticks says they should call it "team badger", which upsets Amy who wants it to be called "team rose".
      Cream wants to be a hero like Tails, but she isn't as fast and can't fly as high as him. Tails is like: "At least you have Cheese to help you. I would've loved to have a chao companion helping me in my workshop. We can fly and run sometimes together if you want".
      Sonic talks to Big about encountering a fake version of him in cyberspace, and Big asks Sonic what was there to catch in cyberspace and if he recommends it as a good fishing spot.
      BTW, while fishing is gone, there's still a mini game you can do to get items quickly if you want to break the game like in Frontiers. I wouldn't do it because I want to play the game, but that's up to the player to decide.
      After each arc in a region is over, Sonic's feelings and appreciation to his friends grow bigger. Sonic's emotions fuel the emeralds.
      By the end of the game, the chaos emeralds are fully restored and Sonic can transform freely with no drawbacks.
      At the end of the day, the gameplay loop is still the same as in Frontiers. You explore big landscapes and participate in different activities to fight a big boss at the end of each region.

    • @arvinrufo7061
      @arvinrufo7061 10 місяців тому

      @@roiitzkovich4545 Interesting and good idea 🤔

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому

      ​@@roiitzkovich4545 that's some interesting lore right there man

  • @OMR3333
    @OMR3333 10 місяців тому +9

    Super Sonic in Frontiers was very basic if you look at the mechanics of the fights (that doesn't mean it was bad or not hype tho)
    so by having a better combat system and maybe some mobility options like chasing down the enemy and you control your speed (not some scripted scenes) you might have way better boss battles
    btw, on an unrelated note, have you ever played DMC5?

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому +2

      I totally agree. And no I have not played DMC5, although I’ve heard it’s like the baseline for great combat.

    • @OMR3333
      @OMR3333 10 місяців тому +1

      @@GDubA I completed DMC 5 recently and I can easily tell why people say that the combat in Frontiers is very basic and flawed (I have a couple of ideas to fix the combat while still feeling like playing a Sonic game)

    • @crimsonzone8984
      @crimsonzone8984 10 місяців тому

      ​@@OMR3333 or they can just do this interesting combat mechanic
      ua-cam.com/video/wdnqAVbyS8c/v-deo.htmlsi=KF-minQIjziZuI1U so that it'd really be a sonic game

  • @w1nther930
    @w1nther930 10 місяців тому +1

    Honestly, they should keep this kind of combat system

  • @eliasgutierrez1201
    @eliasgutierrez1201 10 місяців тому +2

    Don't forget the trial bosses 0:22

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому +1

      While they’re not original fights they definitely are something.

  • @slateoffate9812
    @slateoffate9812 10 місяців тому

    Before starting, I have an idea:
    Ditch Super Sonic except for the final boss, leaving Sonic to fight titanic robots WITHOUT the Power of Flight that Super Sonic grants. Let's say these robots aren't as durable as the Titans, but still.
    So, I imagine at least one of them would be about weaving through and dodging attacks, building up enough momentum or potential energy for Sonic to leap off the ground and spinball into the Boss's face or weak point at Mach 1 or faster, the force knocking the giant around.
    It'd be so cool to see a giant boss be beaten without forcing the giant boss to be stationary, and instead of beating it by climbing to the weak point or flying around it, Sonic manages to beat it at its own game, with the handicap of being in his base form!

  • @Electro777
    @Electro777 10 місяців тому +2

    I think the only point I would disagree with here is that Super Sonic DOES have exclusive moves. For example, the cyloop as normal Sonic just flings the enemy in the air and do a bit of damage (in combat), as Super Sonic you create a massive tornado that flings a Skyscraper Titan in the sky. I think that's a good enough uprgade. Or like the grand slam as normal Sonic, he spindashes the enemy after hitting a QTE and kicks them back down. As Super Sonic he does the same but 100x greater by creating hundreds of after images (and it even changes every Titan fight). I think Frontiers is a perfect example of upgrading your moves as Super Sonic, and they should keep it like that instead of giving brand new moves that you are unfamiliar with.

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      I see the logic there, but I’d say that’s not quite enough to make it truly very different. But I also see the idea of consistency in the combat with just interaction changes. Thanks for the comment!

    • @Electro777
      @Electro777 10 місяців тому +1

      @@GDubA Yeah I see, But Great Video! I asked myself how the Super fights would be in the future aswell.

  • @venture591
    @venture591 10 місяців тому +1

    In supersonic fights you can add more combos, you can do the same thing as in frontiers which is increase the entire moveset to do more damage and be faster, but if you make strange combinations of buttons you will unlock more abilities
    That is, making super sonic a pure slash hackang for being combat, for the open area is fine but doing this exclusively for supersonic would be a plus (in addition to natively adding the perfect parry because it suited this parry well for the final boss)

  • @sigfredocortes
    @sigfredocortes 10 місяців тому +1

    5:24 got me dying laughing

  • @superflameking03
    @superflameking03 10 місяців тому

    I think games like Dream Team coming out where Super Sonic isn't even an option is probably the best way to go, especially since games on the same level as Sonic Frontiers are definitely going to take longer to come out (or at least I hope so, we need finished games). I don't necessarily think every big mainline Sonic game should still have a lot of Super Sonic boss fights, but cutting it back to one for the bigger games, going forward it might be a bit much. Then again it should definitely fit the narrative, not just worrying about whether or not they should.
    That being said, the way the did it in Frontiers was great not just for spectacle purposes, but at times it can be a bit jarring when the big finale of the game is learning how to play as a brand new character.

  • @lilmeowmeow9138
    @lilmeowmeow9138 10 місяців тому

    One thing that could be cool is if they had you fight a boss at the opening of a game. Lose the fight because of time or the boss is too strong, lose the emeralds. Then you go through the game defeating other bosses using the powers and skills of the single emeralds and in turn giving sonic more of a connection to the emeralds i guess. Then at the end you fight the first boss as super sonic again, you use the different powers of the emeralds you used during the game just with cooler effects. Then the boss gets another form, and then you turn hyper sonic!
    I derailed at the end but you get the point.

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому +1

      That would be sick

  • @ARandomUser-m2q
    @ARandomUser-m2q 10 місяців тому +1

    wouldn't be surprised if the next adaptation would be smth like: SUPER SONIC 3 with long spines

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      That's actually a really good idea!

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому +1

      Sega is hardly going to do that since they clearly have no desire to take part in the "next power level" trope

  • @rickyrackey7930
    @rickyrackey7930 9 місяців тому

    My idea. A combination of DMC, Metal Gear Rising and Asura’s Wrath

  • @NokaiGaming
    @NokaiGaming 10 місяців тому +1

    Slooper Slognik

  • @noofficer3326
    @noofficer3326 10 місяців тому +1

    I thought this was about what games might come next like a tails solo game of him actually regaining his development in the adventure games

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      I apologize for any confusion, but I do believe the title is quite clear.

  • @This-is-a-commentt
    @This-is-a-commentt 10 місяців тому +1

    “I woke up in a new bug-ÆÆÆÆHHHH”

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      This is in fact a true statement

  • @pie1538
    @pie1538 10 місяців тому +1

    The point of Super Sonic being needed in the Titan fights was because HE COULDN'T EVEN MAKE A SCRATCH IN THEIR ARMOR!!! They were created with Chaos Energy for crying out loud!

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      Oh no I totally get that! I’m glad that Frontiers has a lot of Super Sonic boss fights, and the game’s story makes it make sense. But In the future that’s too much in my opinion.

    • @pie1538
      @pie1538 10 місяців тому +1

      @@GDubA Moderate use of Super Forms is a good idea in itself. (But to be able to use it whenever would be fun, maybe AFTER the game is completed.)

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      @@pie1538 Using Super Sonic in the open zone would be dope ngl.

  • @SamCo-
    @SamCo- 3 місяці тому

    Dark gaia took me 2 years to beat lol and it was literally the press x 50 times qte lol.

  • @X.30
    @X.30 10 місяців тому

    Blud spittin nothin 🔥🗣️

  • @AshrindyAnimates
    @AshrindyAnimates 10 місяців тому

    I agree with the entire video, except for the fact that we've had the Super form for the past 25 years as the only resort to trouble. Sonic Frontiers Final Horizon did it perfectly with Super Sonic being weak so he resorted to a new power. If they made it so that normal boss fights had Super Sonic and the Final Boss fight had some cool form it would be a 100 times better than just having regular old Super Sonic.

  • @acgon
    @acgon 10 місяців тому

    What if Super Sonic is back to being final boss exclusive and they added emerald powers in the next mainline 3D games

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому +1

      That could be interesting 🤔

  • @rylanbrady1599
    @rylanbrady1599 10 місяців тому +1

    So this may very well be me being an idiot, because I don't play newer sonic games bcuz their so flippin expensive, but, maybe if there was a timer on super sonic, on top of all the things you added. Like, after the timer goes down you are just normal sonic, and you need to wait 30 seconds or something like that before you can go back into it? Idk if thats already an option, bcuz i don't play newer games, im just wondering

    • @rylanbrady1599
      @rylanbrady1599 10 місяців тому +1

      Wow I wrote a speech geez

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому +1

      Well super sonic is based on the amount of rings you have, which is still true in Frontiers. So that could totally work. Having it were you have to collect a ton of rings to go back to being super sonic would be dope ngl.

  • @gLeber_pLace
    @gLeber_pLace 10 місяців тому

    pretty underrated channel

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      Thank you man 🙏

  • @sallehodell
    @sallehodell 10 місяців тому +1

    Super duper sonic

  • @MrNeedleM0use
    @MrNeedleM0use 10 місяців тому

    SUPER SONIC BETTER BE PEAK IN THE NEXT GAME OR IM RIOTING

  • @DKPGames
    @DKPGames 10 місяців тому +1

    Sorry to break to you but in sequels things need to be bigger, so we probably gonna have even more Super Sonic fights than Frontiers, and while agree that SS needs more unique skills, the cyloop is quite different, I think theres a better way to keep fresh if you dont want to go the new super form route, you are forgetting the possibilities of Shadow having his own Bosses and maybe even possibly SILVER and they all have different skills, and music genre.

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      I agree they need to scale things up for the sequel, but I don’t think just having more fights is the answer. I just hope they don’t go down that road. And I’m gonna be honest, I doubt shadow or silver will be playable in future games. But if they are, that’s a good solution as well.

    • @christopherford39
      @christopherford39 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@GDubAhey if Cream and Rouge are getting the chance to be playable again then there is still hope for Shadow and Silver

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      @@christopherford39 You know what, that’s true.

  • @TheSonicGod-R8u21n1
    @TheSonicGod-R8u21n1 8 місяців тому

    I see what you mean but Sonic Frontiers was a much more serious game as sonic specifically says that the titans are too powerful for him in base. If you're saying you want less Super Sonic boss fights, do you dislike the titans? Super Sonic is G.O.A.T.

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  8 місяців тому

      No I love the crap out of the titans, and super sonic is cool as heck. But the fights will lose their luster QUICK if they don't reserve the usage of any superform. if they do it wrong I could see it being repetition in it's worst form.

  • @davegaming345
    @davegaming345 10 місяців тому

    By adding Super Sonic 3,Super Sonic God ,Super Sonic God Super Sonic

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      Sonic is never escaping being a Dragon Ball reference.

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@GDubA yeah but like Sega will not just turn Sonic into a Dragon Ball copycat

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 I don’t get that, like it’s already too late for that. I’d just run with the Dragon Ball parallels. SEGA is very weird.

    • @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842
      @wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842 10 місяців тому

      @@GDubA i don't really understand your comment can you explain it better?

  • @zubayt
    @zubayt 10 місяців тому

    Super mario

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      🗣️🗣️🔥🔥💯💯💯

  • @KyonSOSBrigad3
    @KyonSOSBrigad3 10 місяців тому +1

    I think thematically we should strive for archie Sonic type of feats, why?, cuz I wanna say to goku fans that game sonic defeats goku 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      HE AINT BEATING GOKU 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯

    • @KyonSOSBrigad3
      @KyonSOSBrigad3 10 місяців тому

      @@GDubA Not yet 👀👀👀👀

  • @tateanimatonstudio-qp1js
    @tateanimatonstudio-qp1js 10 місяців тому

    That's your opinion

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  10 місяців тому

      100%. Not claiming to be objective at all.

  • @kennethlatorre5269
    @kennethlatorre5269 Місяць тому

    Dark gaja was trash. Horrible take you have.

    • @GDubA
      @GDubA  Місяць тому

      bro said it like he was yoda