THE PACIFIC 1X1 | Guadalcanal/Leckie | Reaction
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Arianna and Maple's first time watching Tom Hank's The Pacific in a reaction.
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Band of Brothers was written by Stephen Ambrose. The Pacific is a combination of two different memoirs so the "plot" isn't as consistent following one group as Band of Brothers was. That being said, its a very high quality production that pulls no punches and is very worthwhile.
Four autobiographies...
Helmet for my Pillow
With the Old Breed at Peleliu and Okinawa
Red Blood Black Sand
China Marine
It took me two times watching it before I was able to follow it and feel it.
The Pacific follows the 1st Marine Division through the four campaigns it fought in during WW2 while relying heavily on the memoirs written by different marines who served in the 1st. It doesn't follow just one company like 'Band of Brothers'. The 1st Marine Division consisted of the 1st, 5th and 7th Marine Regiments in which the three most prominent characters in this series (prominent because their home lives were shown as well as their service) all served in different regiments and those who were in the same regiment may have been in different battalions. Basilone in the 1st, Sledge in the 5th and I'm pretty sure Leckie was in the 7th.
They actually released a book accompanying the series that used Sledge and Leckie's works but also added in memoirs from a Marine aviator who flew a Dauntless (and later on, a Helldiver) as part of the Cactus AF on Guadalcanal. It was put together by Ambrose's son I think (Ambrose had passed by then) and also has perspectives from Sidney Phillips (Sledge's friend from Alabama) as well as another Marine (August Shofner) who was captured during the fall of the Philippines, escaped, fought with Filipino guerrillas, later was redeployed and fought on Peleliu/Okinawa as well. Pretty enjoyable read, less gut wrenching than the series.
Dan Carlin put WW2 in the best way. European Theater is like your classic war film, The Eastern Front was like an Apocalypse film, and The Pacific Theater was like a horror film.
I love Hardcore History. That man is a treasure.
What a great way to describe it, I’ve always found the pacific front slightly more interesting then the eastern front (tho of course the eastern is WAY more important)
@@Loke6661666246 By far the best History podcast out there. His 4 part "Supernova in the East" series is unbelievable. HIs WW1 series is only beat by the World War 1 podcast. Defiantly worth the time.
I think in reality it was all like a horror film mate, he was just trying to be verbose
Never really agreed with the European theater take. Anyone who fought through some of those campaigns fought through hell. The fact is, all war is hell, no matter the theater. I will say the Pacific had a unique environment that I've heard soldiers say was horrendous. But then the same could be said of N Africa or the Eastern Front.
This whole series has a very different over-arching theme to "Band of Brothers". It's much more about the dehumanizing effects of the naked brutality of the Pacific War.
The European Theater was also very brutal.
@Anon54387 Yes, however, they had liberty at times to decompress. The Marines in the Pacific had no decompression. Just constant brutality and death.
The naval battles off of Guadalcanal were epic. Almost 3 allied sailors died for every one marine on the island.
What made you first watch The Pacific?
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Band of Brothers and it will lead to Masters of the Air released this spring.
I was a huge fan of Band of Brothers when it first came out, so I was eager for this one.
@@alexv6324 Dude, dont spoil who survives.
As a Marine, I already knew the history, but I felt an urge that I had to watch it and see a bit of that history brought to 'life'.
I was always interested in the history of WWII and had read many books, shows, etc. I loved Band of Brothers and was not going to miss this one.
My uncle John was at Guadalcanal. He was a Para-marine, fought alongside with Col. Edson on the ridge above the airfield. Later to be known as "Edson's Ridge".
Hell of a battle
The officer giving the speech to his marines about spending Christmas with their families is Chesty Puller. The most decorated Marine in marine corps history. “It was good for Chesty Puller, and it’s good enough for me!” Him and Sgt. Basilone, along with Smedley Butler, Dan Daly, Carlos Hathcock are giants in the Marine Corps by their actions in combat.
Fine list of Marines I would add Colonel Boyington.
@@georgesykes394 “Pappy” you’re right
@psauce9837 Also Colonel John Glenn.
The Pacific was more brutal than the European theater I believe.
1 year ago with last episode of Band of Brothers:
Me: "Please start The Pacific soon, can't wait for episode 5->"
Diegesis: "We're not watching the Pacific"
Me: "Well that's just craptastic then :D"
BOOM! That aged well, glad to see you back with big boy stuff 😘
During the battle at sea that they watch overnight, my grandfather's ship, USS Quincy was one of 4 heavy cruisers lost. The battle of Savo Island is worth looking into.
Worst defeat ever for the US Navy. After several battles supporting Guadalcanal, the Navy only had one damaged carrier left in the area (Enterprise).
@williambranch4283 I was on CVN-65! The Enterprise will forever hold a brave and powerful name in our Navy. She has always been a fighter, in all of her hull forms.
The Pacific hits the ground running. Prepare to cry a lot throughout this series.
This story is so good because it is so horrifying. What Leckie says about how sobering it is to the soul seeing the terrifying things that humans will do to one another.
The battle at the end of the episode is the Battle of the Tenaru River in which a Japanese regiment of 1,000 men attacked the Marines throughout the night. It was an absolute massacre as the Marines killed 900 of the Japanese attackers while suffering only 41 killed themselves. There's a very famous photograph of the aftermath (recreated at 14:04) with hundreds of dead Japanese bodies on the sandbar.
Glad to see both Maple and Ariana reacting to this-what a treat! Hope you guys both make it through the entire thing!
"He took too long."
You know it's a good one when even the crew starts laughing
I appreciate that both ladies are aware coming into this that it's a "retelling" of actual events ..... So many reactions of the "Band of Brothers" started off with the mindset that it's just a movie with "characters" .... By the time reactions watch "The Pacific" they're clued in to the factual truth of reality that HBO took to ensure the events of warfare these Marines endured for our country and our allies. 🏆 ❤ 🇺🇸 🎥
Outstanding reaction video .... Hang tough..... It's going to rapidly get harder and darker.
I have watched The Pacific several times, and I'm enjoying watching this with you. Your reactions and emotions are genuine... and contagious. Thank you for sharing.
So glad yall are doing this series
"Loving people is cool!"
Way too pure. :D
The Pacific theater makes the European theater look tame by comparison. Besides battling heat and humidity, they had to fight an enemy who did not follow the rules of war. They would not surrender and did not fear death. Also this was 2 years before D-day and the marines were under funded and had to use older equipment. This is going to get as heavy if not heavier than Band of Brothers.
Super underrated WW2 movie that still holds up is "The Sands of Iwo Jima" 1949 with John Wayne
At 15:38 they mention “Rivers” he is known today as Indian Rivers due to his heritage and warrior spirit and as one of the finest marines to ever serve. They didn’t show it but he continued firing during that initial charge even when shot multiple times before succumbing to blood loss.
Great review ladies, keep up the good work. This is an excellent series, but it is very brutal to watch. So prepare yourself there will be lots of tears but well worth it in the end. Like the men in Band of Brothers these men deserved to be remembered.
Finally I found Diegesis’ reaction to the pacific! Felt like was looking for this for a while but only just saw that it had been posted for 5 month!
Don't know if this was in the film, but the màrines that took Guadalcanal weren't scheduled for battle until 1943. They had been training on New Zealand for only a couple of weeks when orders came back to take the Canal (Guadalcanal was named after a town in Spain in the 1500s.) The Marines that landed on Guadalcanal were green groups who were facing combat hardened Japanese soldiers that had never been defeated. These Marines were also equipped with WW1 surplus weapons (M1A1 bold action Springfield rifles and WW1 machine guns.) After Guadalcanal the Marines were issued M1 Grand rifles. They did have the very effective 37mm anti-tank weapons that also proved highly effective against infantry.
6:37 "I'd like to take a moment to point out how good of a fake out scene this was." LOL, nice job on the comedic editing 😂
8:05 i can't stop laughing at Arianna's reaction to her friend's innocence about this being a war series, she knows a little bit of what to expect from watching BoB 😂 Poor friend, bless her sweet heart...
17:45 Maple is really good at remembering names, and likely only heard it like once and already connected it to Eugene
One point of interest: The first part of the Pacific Campaign the marines were forced to use water-cooled machineguns were left-over from WWI.
Another is the night battle seen in this episode is the Battle of Savo Island, fought on the night of 9 August 1942. The Japanese inflict a sever defeat on the Allied force, driving them away from Guadalcanal and leaving the just-landed marines in a perilously exposed position.
rice exists:
Maple "O, I love rice" 🤣
The mutilation at the 8:45 minute mark was common throughout the Pacific operations and was a form of psychological warfare - it is described in Eugene Sledge's book, "With the Old Breed," and often included other body parts being cut off as well, and it would be left where the American's were sure to see it. It lead to a deep anger and savagery that very different from what soldiers in Europe experienced.
The night time naval battle that the marines watch from the hilltop was The Battle of Savo Island. It is still the worst defeat in US Naval history. 1,077 American sailors were lost. Of the 6 American heavy cruisers that were present, 4 were sunk, and a 5th heavily damaged.
The final lines of this first episode, “How fucked are you now, you’re surely fucked now,” as the marines walk into the dark jungle, sets the tone for the rest the series. Buckle up, it’s a wild ride.
When a mortar round goes off near by and blows their helmet off. If the helmet is strapped on their head flies off with the helmet.
Im just going to say it. Every time. I hear "Diet Jesus"
Great work, I really enjoyed it. Semper Fi
A lot of them don't have their helmets buckled because they used to believe that if they had it strapped and an explosion went of near them, that the blast would catch their helmet and pull their head off or snap their neck
So glad you two are reacting to the Pacific!! Just as good and powerful as Band of Brothers but you’ll see ultimately how different these series are because the two theatres of war we equally as different.
"One time my neighbor had ptsd, and i was like ill get a flashlight, and i don't know" give me attention
Eyyy I think I actually recommended this series a lil while back in the comments on another video a pleasant surprise in my sub feed thank you Maple and Ariana ☺️
This battle was over a year long…can’t even imagine. The brutality in this theater of war was insane
Read Eugene Sledge's book. Later on in the war he talks about when they were having to dig fox holes in the mud and wind up digging into a Japanese body sunk in the mud and the stench stirred up was enough to make most people be on the verge of vomiting.
If I recall correctly that battle site is slowly being cleared and turned into apartments. Such a shame.
Read "Okinawa "
"Helmet for my pillow"
"Strong men armed"
All by Bob Leckie.
He was a gifted writer and a great Marine.
"With the old breed" by
"Sledgehammer "
You 2 are my favorite reactors of this reaction channel. Such a pure and honest reaction. 🖤🤘
This is harder than BoB because the Japenese were brutal right from the start. They committed war crimes all through the war, that was why the marines started to be brutal to the Japanese.
As a ww2 fanatic (and I mean it's down right nerdy at times) it's really REALLY cool to see the reactions of people that have heard of ww2 of course but might not grasp the full scope and magnitude and terrible impact it had on the world. I guess it's just cool knowing that these men and women who were indeed "our greatest generation" are not being forgotten but still being revered as heroes and heroines; as they damn well deserve. So glad I found these reactions I'm about to binge em all!
From an old jarhead I am excited that you are reacting to this miniseries. There's an old film called Pride of the Marines about a navy cross recipient from the battle of Guadalcanal. Worth watching.
When y'all are going to watch scenes about specific battles that you'll be watching, Guadalcanal, Cape Gloucester, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa, maybe check Google on the battles and kind of get familiar with what happened before watching. You will get a better idea of what happened, like the sea battles around Guadalcanal, where the Navy got pounded early in the campaign, which is why they couldn't get supplies. Just a thought.
On Jan 5th 1942, my dad lied about his age, joined the Navy and went to fight the Japanese in the Pacific. He was 16 years old.
Finally! Can’t believe you guys are finally covering this
The water around Guadalcanal or the slot as it was called it's known as ironbottom sound because there are so many sunken ships there from the seven months of fighting at Guadalcanal
If you are in the San Francisco area go out to Lands End. A short walk from Sutro Baths is a memorial to the USS San Francisco. They made it from the remains of the bridge. It is a sobering sight.
Minute 7, on the very beggining, there is an officer talking to a group of sargeants. Big world map behind him. Red dots marking cities. If you take a close look, in the center of Brazil, there is a dot marking Brasília, Brazils capital. By that time Brasília didnt existed. Brazilian capital was Rio de Janeiro in the 40s.
In case you are wondering why they had cigarettes stuck up their nose was for the smell
No spoilers but Snafu got that dawg in him.
Fun factoid: GI's never did up their chin straps, because they inherit a fatal design flaw.
With the strap done up, if you were hit in the head, the kinetic energy would snap your neck. Better for it to be undone and potentially bounce off instead.
No that is factually false. The chin straps were uncomfortable and infantrymen used it as an excuse to not wear the strap. Even if the kenetic energy did manage to blow off their helmet the kenetic energy is still strong enough to scramble your organs.
If you want to see a REALLY good movie told from the Japanese POV, I recommend the movie “Letters From Iwo Jima” and the companion movie “Flags of Our Fathers”. Both movies are centered around the battle on the island of Iwo Jima, both directed by Clint Eastwood, both shot at the same time.
What’s funny is on yalls “Band of Brothers part 6: Chad says Babe looks like the kid from Jurassic park and not sure if y’all are aware, “Eugene Sledge” in Pacific is the kid from Jurassic park! Haha just thought that was funny
lol I was editing like "y'all didn't recognize him!?"
There's some definite gut punch moments in this series, im glad you're finallly watching!!
Awwww, girl on the right, thank u for bringing this back. I had just finished ur band of bro’s series with the guy. And im here for the band of beothers😂😊
I loved the reaction. If you guys want a GREAT movie about WW2 about the war in the Pacific check out Flags of our Fathers from the American side and Letters from Iwo Jima for the Japanese side. Both films were produced by Clint Eastwood 👍
Yall are in for a ride, The pacific shows a side of war most havent seen.
The war in the Pacific was different from the European theatre, in that the Japanese tended to fight to the death, and there were very few prisoners taken on either side. Surrender was death, as the Japanese either worked you to death, or killed prisoners at random, for simple things like stopping for a drink of water. The US troops found out quickly the Japanese would try to kill you even if it was beating you with a rock, so in a very short time, there was no mercy, and no quarter given on either side. It was purely kill or be killed.
You said you wouldn’t do it but thank you
Theres a reason they dont buckle up their helmets. The concussion of bombs expolding in front of them can take there haeds off if its strapped to their head.
It’ll only get better and more interesting. SEMPER FI!!
Tho I wish Chad could have watched this with you guys! His random drop of some historical context is a very fun element for me in Band of Brothers!
A great quote I read once was something like:
“There’s two totally different wars taking place in WW2. The one in the ETO and the PTO. The ETO was the evil calculated nazis with these great machines of terror and the PTO was this relentless monstrous enemy, foaming at the mouth raging assaults of annihilation.”
The PTO was the WW1 style “price for a mile” where men murdered eachother for islands the folks back home had never heard of sometimes not even a mile wide.
"I mean is that cool?"😂🤣😂🤣
0:36 The moment I decided to watch ur entire reaction to the show
Be prepared for the horrors of war. The Pacific was brutal fight against an enemy who was willing to die for their emperor. It is a story that does need to be told just like BOB.
The Pacific theater was a very different type of war compared to the war we fought in Europe. There was a lot of first for the US military in the Pacific. Especially when it comes to things like fighting an enemy that will use civilians as human Shields And suicide bombers It was similar To what the US military would Face In Vietnam, a Generation later
Our culture cannot understand this today, but after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, there was such a patriotic fever that in many small communities it was considered shameful not to enlist. It is tragic, but there were men who actually committed suicide because they were rejected due to medical reasons. As a result, there was a pin that men could wear on their clothing that indicated that they had volunteered, but that they could not serve in the military. Hopefully, when people saw the pin, they did not think ill of the man or question his courage or patriotism. I know, I know--hard to comprehend today. But it was what it was back then.
My mother was in college, and my father dropped out of college in 1941 to go into the Army as a second lieutenant of infantry. They decided to wait to marry after the war, since Dad might not come home alive, and he did not want her to be a 21-year old widow. After three years in Australia, New Guinea, and the Philippines--and two Purple Hearts, five amphibious landings, and surviving Japanese banzai attacks--he came home on R&R and they married anyway. While in the States, the two atomic bombs were dropped, and the war ended. Thankfully, I am here with a drop-dead beautiful wife of 52 years, two children and three grandchildren. Yes, the U.S. was a much different culture 80 years ago...
Yay! Maple and Ariana both!
There were accounts of the Japanese infiltrating Marine lines at night in the pitch blackness, cutting throats and dropping grenades into foxholes. The Marines were so keyed up that a Japanese could jump into a foxhole with them and jump back out leaving the Marines slashing and stabbing each other.
Night after night, all night long.
You are pure souls. What they died for. Never forget that.
My grand dad was a horse Marine. Everything he wore was Marine Corps green.
This series is based off of three accounts from The Pacific front. A Helmet for my Pellow by Rob Leckie, With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa Book by Eugene Sledge, and a summarized account of the life of John Basilone
They were taught not to buckle their helmets because if they were caught in a blast the strap would break their neck when the helmet was blown off.
Just the opening credits... Prep yourselves for Mud & Blood.
When the Marines landed on Guadalcanal the Japanese were literally days away from finishing an airstrip on that island but when we came ashore they ran back into the jungle and the first casualty the Marines had on this island was the guy they showed that cut his hand with the machete opening a coconut
I really really appreciate the great lengths the historical advisors and costume/prop/set decoration departments took to achieve period accuracy in this show. Older war films especially from the 50s-70s were really bad for just throwing whatever looked close enough on the screen and hoping the audience didnt notice. But there are details in this that wouldnt even matter to 99.5% of the viewing audience and couldve cut the budget down. It shows a dedication to quality and respect by the filmmakers involved.
For example; I think this is the 1st time ive seen the early and rare (and correct for Guadalcanal!) Hawley helmet liner worn on a wide scale by the actors and extras. My jaw dropped when I first noticed this. Also the earlier wooden .30 cal ammo boxes which again wouldve been more appropriate than metal for 1942 setting. There are too many examples to list them all. And I mean these are incredibly small details they couldve just not bothered with but they really swung for the fences anyway. I respect the people who made this.
That guy scared in the ditch was the captain or something giving the speech on ship
Found your channel from your Band of Brothers viewing, I haven't left since. I don't like this series quite as much, but I highly recommend the source material. Anything involving Eugene is from "With the old breed" which is the best war memoir ever made in my opinion.
Combat is horrifying, thrilling, scary and will haunt you for the rest of your life. You will make friends that you trusted with your life and you would give your own life to protect them. The bonds it creates come from nowhere else. The only thing that matters is who you are, not how much money you make or who daddy is back in the world, but can you be trusted will you do it.
Wars are fought with young men, who if they survive, are forever scarred by it.
Both my uncles were in the 1st Marine division on Guadalcanal
Both came home and suffered PTSD throughout their lives
I love the look Arianna gives her lol
When?
The Navy was worried about being attacked and left the Marines on Guadalcanal without unloading all the troops, artillery, food, ammunition and construction equipment. If not for captured Japanese supplies the Marines would have starved.
This is from basically two books. Helmet For My Pillow and With the Old Breed. Written by Leckie and Sledge.
And by the way…my brother are not “jerks”. Combat is something that can never be explained really. Only those who don’t know will ask about it those who know will never ask.
We had an old sailor in our Church congregation. He was on the USS Arizona on Dec 7, 1941. Unlike BoB ... these boys didn't spend 2 years training ... they just had a couple months before seeing the enemy. The Japanese were totally taken by surprise (unlike Germany at Normandy) ... the Japanese corrected that mistake by fighting like hell for 6 months to retake that runway they were building.
So for context leckies dad was distant in his own word due to his brother dying a couple of years earlier. And that naval battle would go on to be the worst naval defeat in USN (United states navy). But contrary to show the supply ships had unloaded their cargo and where left untouched by the Japanese fleet
"War is Hell" General William Sherman
Chad, tks for keeping the Dynamic Duo together for this.
I liked BAND OF BROTHERS alot but I loved THE PACIFIC.
What happend to Leckie in Australia and what Basilone’s wife does in the penultimate episode r what stood out for me.
Enjoy girls. U’ll get sad, u’ll get happy and when the series is over, u’ll b glad u watched it.
Men who were classified 4F (ineligible for enlistment) sometimes killed themselves out of guilt.
A lot of men didn't buckle their helmets because the force of an explosion could break their necks if the strap didn't break first
There was a prevailing myth during World War II that having your helmet's chinstrap buckled could result in a broken neck or decapitation if you were caught by enemy fire or explosions in the right way. It was so widespread that orders were sometimes issued to *not* buckle your chinstrap if expecting enemy artillery. Eventually the Department of War ran a study on it. It wasn't true, but it took a lot of convincing for troops to start buckling those straps.
YESSSSS I was hoping you’d watch this series after Band of Brothers! Easily one of the best depictions of pacific warfare next to maybe ‘Thin Red Line’; Bonus, Thin Red Line has young Woodie Harrelson and a bunch of other stars in it
I have been to Guadalcanal and I just don’t know how that fought in that humid and sticky jungle.
Eugene's book, With the Old Breed is, hands down the best war story ever written
While there's no justification you have to understand the times. These Marines had I'm sure, heard rumors about Japanese atrocities, like the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March, and they were angry about Pearl harbor, which happened only a few months before. That's why so many of them were up for taunting/torturing the Japanese soldier.
They were definitely not rumours, over 22000 Australian soldiers most of whom were captured in the fall of Singapore were spread all over the pacific, 500 were sent to Borneo on death marches of which only 6 survived, 9,500 were sent to Burma/Thailand to do forced labour and build the Burma-Thailand railway of which 2,646 died the railway was finished in oct 1943, 3000 were sent to Japan while 1,050 on the Montevideo maru which was leaving Rabaul headed for Japan until on the 1st of July 1942 in the South China Sea it was sunk..by an American submarine…no survivors. Unfortunately there are too many more accounts like these to put them all here, I suggest any American look into the involvement of allied soldiers in the pacific in particular Australians as sadly it doesn’t get as much attention as it should, it’d be nice to see Hollywood tell these sort of stories in similar fashion as the pacific and band of brothers as I know for a fact a lot of these stories would blow your mind.
@@KennyfuckingPowers Mate I didn't say they were rumors now, I know it's definite fact but it wasn't public knowledge at the time of these battles. That's all
@@catherinelw9365 you mean the Australians who had been fighting since the beginning of the war, the ones who were the first to hand the Germans their first land defeat in the war in Tobruk or are you talking about the aussies that were fighting in Europe since the start OR maybe your talking about the Australians that had been fighting the Japanese since the start of the invasion of the pacific, you know the ones who also were the first to hand the Japanese their first land defeat of the war at the battle of Milne bay or the ones fighting the japs in the jungles of New Guinea or the Kokoda trail before the Americans ever met the Japanese on a battlefield, so maybe you should read a fucking book before opening your mouth ya muppet.
@@karlmoles6530 relax I’m just giving a history lesson to the Americans who think they solo’d the war because their education system is piss poor
@@KennyfuckingPowers Got Ya. Okay, cool.
I learned a lot about the war in the pacific during ww2 because my grandpa was a marine corps vet based in Guam. He would sit me down and talk me with about it everyday when I was a kid. All I wanted to do when I grew up was join the marine corps to honor my grandpa. But I found out I couldn't when I was 13 because I found out then that I have severe epilepsy, sadly.
You're right Arianna, this one is going to be hard. The war in the Pacific was much more brutal then the war in Europe. A lot of it had to do with the Japanese culture of death before surrender. Hang on because the brutality only gets worse from here on out.
Guadalcanal was so important to the Japanese they would resupply it every-night sending ships down the slot every night for months. On these Pacific Islands that the Marines had to take they lost more men to dysentery, malaria and other diseases then they did to the Japanese