Zagreb to Belgrade onboard Slovenian overnight train
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2020
- EUROPEAN TRAIN TRIP #8
Dobro jutro svima,
Welcome to this another leg of the European train trip, today we are travelling onboard a Slovenian overnight train between Zagreb in Croatia 🇭🇷 and Belgrade in Serbia 🇷🇸 . This was my worst overnight train trip...
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- TRIP INFORMATION -
RECORDED IN AUGUST 2019
Railway company: Slovenske železnice
Train type : Bcm and HZPP 1142
Registration : B411
From : Zagreb Glavni kolodvor to Beograd Centar
Time : 6h14
Price : Around 12€
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Well, sharing a journey like this - where there were "bumps" and you had to improvise - makes the channel feel "real" - because in real life things happen and you have to cope. Glad it worked out and nice of the staff to accept what you had left. BTW in the pre-Eu days not only were border checks annoying, so was the cash problem - you always ended up in Rome Termini with a handful of GB pounds and DMs and not one Lira and the cab driver is NOT taking you one meter until you find some.
That is quite true. There are other Europeans (according to natural law), here, from Serbia in this case, who have to bow at the external borders of the EU with a passport in hand, but they are used to it; I hope that generations to come will have more luck in that regard. That is why I shudder when I hear today's politicians from EU countries, so-called sovereignists who think that their nation would do better outside the EU.
@@mtrdjn As a Brit, I'm appalled at the rise of the nationalists and sad that my country voted to leave the EU. We are stronger together and cooperation matters. I also believe that the EU, for all its flaws, is better politically and economically than standing alone.
I was fortunate to travel from Romania through Bulgaria, Serbia and Croatia to Hungary last year. I am so thankful for those in each of those countries who made me welcome and hope we can remain friends. I dislike those who are leading my country and hope it is heard clearly that not everyone agrees with them. Of course, my passport has entry and exit stamps for Serbia, as I exited end re-entered the EU during that part of my itinerary.
Stay as safe as you can in these difficult times - and may we once again start to visit each other's countries as the situation allows. Until then, the virtual tourism Thibault offers in this channel is more precious than ever.
Sending greetings and best wishes to everyone from England.
@@DavidWood2 Thank you for the nice message. It seems to me that I did not express myself best, but it is not strange when it seems in a foreign language. I am an ordinary citizen, just a professor of mathematics who is no longer even that young and I was lucky as the son of a railroader to travel with great ease to Europe and beyond as well as to live for a few years in Italy while in the Balkans, unfortunately, there was war.
I understand you if you are dissatisfied with the authorities in your country, because I am also totally dissatisfied with the people who run the country where I live and I am sorry that we will stay out of the EU for many more years because of such a wrong policy - I experience it personally a sense of belonging. I am sorry for Brexit, because the EU is just more empty, but I would not allow myself to judge what the citizens of such a great nation as GB have decided.
Today, with a Serbian passport, it is possible to travel around Europe nicely and easily, so maybe some people will misunderstand me from the text of the previous message, but since I really like your message, I will let those who are interested read the entire correspondence and understand the context better.
These virtual trips really mean a lot to me, and when someone is so capable, professional and in a specific way for each relationship shows them to us individually, the enjoyment is many times greater: the channel is perfect!
I heartily greet you from the northern Serbian province of Vojvodina, exactly from the eastern border of the EU or about 70 km west of Timisoara (RO).
@CanuckJim Quite agree - these experiences aren't always fun at the time, but you get a much more interesting story to tell back at home than the others who just sat on an aeroplane for two hours and got a taxi to their hotel.
@David Wood I can only hope that the younger generations will be so appalled by the behaviour of our current rulers in the UK, not to mention the other social, economic and environmental injustices they have perpetuated or ignored, that they will usher in a dramatic swing to the opposite political polarity which results in us not only rejoining the European project but properly understanding our relationships in it. Currently I'm ashamed of my nationality - or, better, 'the nationality I happened to be born with' particularly when I travel, and feel much more culturally at home when I visit countries like Germany and the Netherlands. The problems in British attitudes that got us into this mess are complex and will take a long time to correct.
I also want to add that I've felt very welcome in all the central and eastern European states I've travelled in - largely by train but also by bicycle and on music tours.
True... Well probably.
Im a train ticket officer (SNCF) and i learn from your channel, then i can advise inter-rail travellers. Thank you ! Glad to find people who still believe in trains.
saw this video about SNCF trains - its really bad condition - like in east Balkan states or even worst... ua-cam.com/video/TXFhGCxO_vo/v-deo.html
@@johnnygomez7063 Those trains are about 40 years old, its also more ecological to refurb, if the technique is very secure why would we change it? Also, there is only 2 night lines in France. They are cheap, comfurtable, and you cross all the territory. But for the moment SNCF choose more TGV, more expansive than the Corail.
@@hkalonneg Our Goverment invest a lot of money to the quality of train transportaion, we have good intercity trains - Pendolino, RailJets, InterPanter or continuously very well refurbished coach trains,
For regional transport are used "ZOO-trains" City Elefant, RegioPanter, RegioShark, RegioSpider, RegioNova or refurbushed one car train RegioMouse
Me too I like train travel
Merci for your dedication to doing a good job advising about international connections 👍
I'm honestly more concerned as to why you went to bathroom only wearing socks!
Yugoslavia had business class trains then with all the comforts and speed; onboard music or tv, stewards who’d bring you food and drink (all included in the price of the ticket) hot towels, etc.
The train was called Sava Express and would only make 3 stops between Belgrade and Ljubljana: Vinkovci, slavonski brod, and Zagreb.
It would leave Belgrade at 15:05, arrive in Zagreb at 18:00 and Ljubljana at 20:00.
Those were the times!
Imagine how comfortable the journey must've been before the breakup of Yugoslavia. No border controls and no international tickets.
Belgrade-Bar used to be 5 hours. Now sometimes 10 sometimes 30.
@@jm036 rekord na toj pruzi je oko 8 sati zavisi od smera kretanja voza. Nikada nije išao 5 sati
Yugoslavia had business class trains then with all the comforts and speed; onboard music or tv, stewards who’d bring you food and drink (all included in the price of the ticket) hot towels, etc.
The train was called Sava Express and would only make 3 stops between Belgrade and Ljubljana: Vinkovci, slavonski brod, and Zagreb.
It would leave Belgrade at 15:05, arrive in Zagreb at 18:00 and Ljubljana at 20:00.
Those were the times!
Traveling by train in the Balkans today is really full of specifics often unpleasant; in this case our friend T. experienced the worst journey in one overnight international train. However, I' m satisfied that international trains run on this well-known and main route in this part of Europe in general. I don't know much about the details of the war in this area during the 1990s, but the railway traffic on the route Ljubljana - Zagreb - Belgrade was interrupted and although in 1995/96 some international trains to Germany and Switzerland were again included in the timetable, there it was not possible (safely) to travel nor could there be passengers, because the political relations between Croatia and Serbia were basically unresolved.
A significant number of very young people are present on this channel, and they probably don't know much about all that from the period of our recent history. Until 1991, several important international trains from Istanbul, Sofia and Athens (and Thessaloniki) to Venice (Venice Exp), Paris Lyon (Simplon Exp), Munich (Hellas Exp), Zuruck and Vienna operated on this line; the train to Vienna went continuously diverting from this line to Budapest.
In the domestic traffic in Ex Fed. Yugoslavia, trains of high traffic and tariff category also operated, especially Zeleni vlak or "Emona" and business trains Sava Express (only 1 class) Belgrade - Zagreb - Ljubljana and "Anton Gustav Matoš" (only 1 class) which crossed the 412km line from Brograd to Zagreb in 3h 59min as well as the business train "Diocletian" (during the day, only 1 class / 727km) and another overnight train to Split with direct cars to Zadar and Šibenik (HR). There were also direct trains ("rapid /B" categories) from Belgrade to Rijeka / Pula (HR) and Koper (Slo).
Today, some of the mentioned former trains have transferred their names and brand to some other current trains that cover the new routes, so the former express train "Hellas" carried the number 411, and it ran from Athens via Belgrade and Zagreb for AUS, BRD and SUI. We now have a B411 train that is of a lower category: "rapid - B" and runs on the route Ljubljana (Slo) - Zagreb (HR) - Belgrade (SRB) - you can see that it has not been assigned any of the EC / EN categories so most of us from here it is not surprising that there were no sleeping cars or beds with beds in the composition.
I hope that our friend T, when he decides to travel to the Balkans next time, will notice a completely different reality, because this is European Corridor 10, and that has its significance.
I Love the old cars in the train where you Can open Windows and the train is not to fast. The distance connection should grow up from Zagreb via vienna to Zürich. Or via budapest praha Dresden Berlin Stralsund to Malmö. But the crime government Love Protect the Aircraft Industrie. ..I am angry
I Love the old cars in the train where you Can open Windows and the train is not to fast. The distance connection should grow up from Zagreb via vienna to Zürich. Or via budapest praha Dresden Berlin Stralsund to Malmö. But the crime government Love Protect the Aircraft Industrie. ..I am angry
Ahhhhh this video explains the Balkan governments so well
Please do Belgrade-Thessaloniki!! Nice video I love Balkan trains!😀
Aye, from India.
I travelled the route in 2014. The train took 14 hours, track is poor on most of the route and lengthy border controls. Its an overnight train so you can see little.
You like being punished. LOL.
@@chicagomike 😂 no, it’s just this old school vibe in a sleeper car with open window, that no high speed train can compete with.
I was just searching if you ever traveled in ex-Yugoslavia and 1 hour ago you upload this video :D
Nice job man
Great video again. This train used to operate Villach-Belgrade including couchette cars (even sleepers if I remember well?), but around 2011 the couchette cars disappeared and the route was shortened to Ljubljana. It's a shame to see what great connections there were in the Yugoslav times and what has now remained of all of that.
Didn't it run Zurich to Belgrade?
Nah there is still a day route of two Serbian rail cariges all the way to cirih
@@Languslangus its called Zurich in English
I Love this trains and old cars that is posible to open Windows when train rides. ..wounderfull. .
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail!
In 1974 I took two trains:. Thessaloniki-Belgrade and Belgrade-Sarajevo. In 1975, Thessaloniki-Belgrade and Belgrade-Paris. Videos on these routes would be nostalgic heaven. Yet, so much has changed! Thanks.
Until the beginning of the war in 1991, serious trains ran along this route, some of them passed through 8-9 countries, it used to be wonderful; it has never been like in the countries of Western Europe, but it was far more dignified and really truly wonderful.
My funny story is that as I crossed each border, this slight shy skinny young woman attracted matronly types who would warn that the so-and-so's in the next country would rob me blind. "Hold on to your wallet!" I was quietly laughing inside.
What a memorable night for a backpacker! Love your video, greeting from Indonesia
Great video and a new subscriber. I remember all too well the pre-Schengen days of overnight rail travel. It was all part of the adventure!
You are great, I love your videos!!
31K Congratulations!
Great video !!
5:33 did you walk barefoot to the toilet? lol
Great vid man, as usual!
Just found your channel some days ago and you made me interested a lot more in trains now (as an aviation fan). You have an amazing channel, Thibault! Amazing to see so many types of train routes, especially not far from my home country, Hungary. I have only one suggestion, maybe you could show more footages from the landscapes/cities/villages you pass during your routes. Keep it up your excellent videos, mate! ;)
From Budapest you have many interesting international train routes! Try it out! Trains are much more enjoyable than aircrafts
I had my first interrail trip (altogether five to seven summers, don't remember anymore...) when i was 17 mid 80's. This would have been luxurious experience those days. Often the trains were so full that you had to stand the whole trip in the area between the coaches or use your luggage as a seat. No air conditioning except at TGV or Talgo. If you were lucky, you could stand in the corridor hanging out of the windows.
The best thing for a poor youngster was to end up in the same coach with countryside people in France, Italy or Spain. They would always fed you with their delicious food and wine. Unforgettable memories.
Probably the young people today would not even survive those trips :-)
To me it looks like a steal. 10 Euro and a bit of change for almost 400 km, one night in a hotel saved, an empty compartment, a chill conductor that spared you the consequences for the class upgrade and for the missing ticket. The coach is old, but didn't look that bad.
Ahhh yes a new video has upload. Im happy :D
Awesome capture
Superbe vidéo ! 😍
I used to love travelling with those low flat beds. Converted the whole compartment into a giant bed one Sunday morning from Bydgoszcz to Warsaw with a massive hangover. Great sleep tho.
Ahhh! The Overnight trains, one thing that Renfe must take back to the rails
@Pedro Rubio Tejero I Heard There Used To Be Multiple Overnight Trains In Spain, Most Notably What Was Called El Tren Estrella. Nowadays Only Trenhotel Exsists For Night Services, At RENFE's Slowly Trying To Replace It.
@@calebtrains2261 Well, Renfe is replacing the Trenhotel service right now to a brand new Trenhotel service capable of running in the Iberian gauge and also in the International gauge (A gauge only for High Speed Train Lines, due to the near inauguration of the High Speed Line between Zamora and Ourense (Galicia) , the destination of all of the Trenhotel services, but that High Speed Line can be reached only from Madrid. For all the Trenhotel services departing from Barcelona and going to Galicia need to use the classic railway lines. More information at: www.renfe.com/es/en/renfe-group/renfe-group/fleet-of-trains/trenhotel
Pedro Rubio Tejero Trenhotel has been cancelled 😔 The last Trenhotel’s to Galicia have been deleted “because of coronavirus”...
Wonderful video!
We really do need to buy new waggons... Great video, really shows the reality of Balkan railways!
Again, another great video.
I watched a DW documentary about the train services being reestablished between the former Yugoslavia republics approx. 10 years after the Balkan wars. This particular route on the documentary was from Croatia to Bosnia and Herzegovina to Serbia. It follows a Croatian from BiH getting on this train that arrived from Croatia as he is to see his Serbian family for the first time since the war.
They had three carriages from each respective country and they would swap the locomotive and conductor each time they crossed the border. It tickled my favourite interests - trains and the Balkan war.
J Groenveld I took Zagreb to Sarajevo night train
Fun fact, the route goes through Slavonski Brod, where Agatha Christie’s Murder on the Orient Express takes place
Kudoz for daring to walk into the restroom in your socks ☺ Cool vid. I enjoyed the ride 😅
Great video! Maybe lacks the comfort of modern trains, but it's very old fashioned and I like I that way 😁
Old school Balkan style ! :-)
Gosh, I've arrived early for the overnight train.
In 98 I was travelling from Vienna to Belgrade with my mum. We got detained at the hungry border for not having a visa, even though we were travelling through to Belgrade. 6 hrs later we’re on train back to Vienna and had to purchase visas which cost 1600 AUD. When we finally got to Budapest to change to the Belgrade train we had similar seat that folded together, only problem was the train was booked and legs were all over the place. Love discovering your older videos. Cheers
4:04 No A/C? What was the thing above the door then?
4:52 British Rail in the UK used to have some 4-hour sleeper journeys from London to Leeds; the carriages were left behind in the platform and the rest of the train headed on north. You could have a lie in until 7am.
7:27 In Western Europe, it was the norm on CIWL to hand your passport over to the conductor to take care of formalities for you. In the East... the Grenztruppen were perfectly happy to knock heavily on the door at 3 in the morning.
It is just ventilation and heating in the winter. There is truly no A/C on these coaches.
But in some countries you have overnight trains without sleeping car or with couchette
I used to carry a stack of US $1 bills for situations like with the Serbian conductor. Last time I used them was around 1990, when Yugoslavia was still one country. Today I would also carry some 5 Euro notes, especially in Serbia. Settles minor difficult payment issues, no questions asked. Being a little generous helps. Suggestion: "Toilet Time", not "Toilets Time".
I took this train. It was a return Belgrade - Zagreb - Belgrade trip. Back then, 2017, there were couchettes, I took one of them. No issues with the ticket because I bought the entire trip in Belgrade
if you wanna try mote traintrips in Poland you can try these categories:
TLK (same prices, just older stock)
Regio (operated by Polregio, mostly railbuses/EMUs as example Impuls)
EIC (stops on fever stations, mostly the newest and fastest stock)
EIP (Pendolino Trains)
Very good video!
Awesome upload, cheers
Thanks :)
I highly request you do an Amtrak Acela review, they are going to be replaced soon and I loved my trip!
If you have been in Romania, there's a train you should try which is called Astra Transcarpatic, I was there spending my Erasmus year.
Trains in Eastern Europe are for brave people, I had to endure 10 hours trip from Timisoara to Bucharest, air conditioning was working the entire time in summer and heating was always working in winter. You get to your destination completely destroyed 😂
Border checks are quite common in the Balkans. I caught the train from Belgrade to Podgorica and we stopped twice - once for border check leaving Serbia and a short while later entering Montenegro. Certainly adds time to the schedule as they check every passenger’s credentials.
Wow - that station in Belgrade looks great. Very modern! The train I caught to Montenegro ran from Topcider station, which is small and quite run down. 🤔
Topčider was never meant for international trains, it is just local station, but they moved there since they closed Old Station in city center (built in 1884), and there are works on high speed line Belgrade-Novi Sad.
This new Belgrade station is still under construction, old Yugo project from 70s was just massive (for example it's big like some of the busiest stations in Europe), construction started back then but after collapse of Yugo they didn't toned down some aspects of project and continued as in original which resulted in years of construction since it was extremely expensive. Now only that part under the concrete plate is finished (although even that is massive), while station building on top of concrete plate is still not built, government is every year announcing it will start next year but years are passing. For example this station already have room (tunnel) left for metro station under the station, City gov anounced that work on metro will begin soon (2021/22), but it's not realistic unless state government step up with 4 billions of euros, one French company is working on a project atm.
On 7:25 you can see New Belgrade station, now it's almost completed, it was renovated as part of high speed railway line project Belgrade-Hungarian border.
In 1999 I remember border controls into Germany from the Netherlands, into Denmark, into Sweden and into Norway, on my way home from Amsterdam on two night trains, spending the day between in Copenhagen.
@7:25 Different countries handle the border checks differently, but my understanding is that in Pre-Schengen Western Europe it was often possible or required to leave your passport with the conductor overnight, as they would work with the customs agents while you slept.
Mike Schumacher what if they didn't stamp your passport and wanted one?
True in Western Europe, but if you went into the (then) Communist block, you got your passport back and were on your own. I did London to Minsk in 1974 and you had the East German border the first night and the Soviet border the second; so not much sleep!
Keep doing it dude
nice video useful info.
Boa viagem simply lindo tren gostei
Bom demais
Hi,
Nice video! :-)
I can tell you how it was in Europe before Schengen, at least in sleeper/couchette cars you handed your passport to the car attendant and he handled it for you. Comfy :0)
I can remember at the sleeper the conductor take your passport with your ticket - you got it back, when breakfast was served.
Back in Yugoslavia time, that was a longer train. Connecting Ljubljana-Zagreb-Belgrade. No borders, no awakening. In Belgrade this train was divided in two trains. One connecting Belgrade with Skopje (N.Macedonia capital)
Other on the very beautiful track, connecting Belgrade with Podgorica (Former Titograd, capital of Monte Negro) and final destination was city of Bar on the coast.
By the way, in Zagreb were carriage added from Split on your train. In town of Vinkovci werre added carriage from Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina capital)
Great trip report..piss poor preparation tho!!😂😂
That reminds me of the day trains on the Villach-Ljubljana-Zagreb corridor: don't book 1st class, it's a trap! Book 2nd class from HZPP. The Croatian carriages may have somewhat less comfy seats but they're air-conditioned ;)
I was on same train just diffrent direction back in November 2006, it looked exactly same back then and now.
Salut 🖐🖐🖐frumos video 📹📹📹📹
Nice Man
Maybe he excepted 1,75 Euros for the "Ticket" in Serbia. BECAUSE 1,75€ ARE ABOUT 200 DINAR!!!. But a great Video
Belle vidéo ; mais à 7:35 , cette gare a en fait une quarantaine d’année x)
I must say that your ticket habits are quite… interesting. I mean, I'd buy my ticket for such ride online as soon as possible and online. Ok, it's not always possible, but I wouldn't feel safe without the ticket first xD
BTW, have you checked an offer called Balkan Railpass? I used it for a travel on route Beograd-Thessaloniki-Athens and also for many trains inside Greece, it's really nice.
Unfortunately, you can't buy it online, you can do this e.g. on Belgrade Centar station. You need a passport to buy it, as my friend was rejected this ticket with just an ID card (with which he could enter Serbia from the European Union, which is quite confusing).
thanks for sharing, Japan next? they got nice bullet trains
5:44 j'adore l'atmosphere qui reigne un peu mysterieux et tout j'adore
Le train Bruxelles-Milan fin des années '80 qui partait vers 18h et arrivait vers +/- 8h... Entre la Belgique et le Luxembourg, aucun contrôle grâce aux accords Bénélux mais, passé la France, contrôle..Puis la Suisse et l'Italie. Dans les couchettes à six, les controleurs demandaient de plaquer la carte d'identité contre la vitre afin de ne pas être réveillé, ce qui n'empèchait pas les policiers d'ouvrir la porte et de vous coller une lampe de poche dans la figure pour pouvoir vous identifier... Puis, lors d'autres voyages, les stewards du train prenaient même votre carte d'identité et votre billet juste après l'embarquement et vous les rendaient arrivé à destination... Franchement, à l'époque on sentait déjà que les voyages de nuit en train n'allaient pas faire long-feu malgré le fait que c'était génial ! Beaucoup de gens se plaignaient des contrôles inutiles car, il fallait vraiment être un fada pour prendre un train de nuit, si vous étiez recherché par toutes les polices d'Europe 🤣
I'm glad you managed to get the ticket for the Serbian part of the ride afterall :) ...it is a problem in Croatia with buying international tickets as you can buy them only in certain stations and designated cashregisters, which close even before the local ones. Atleast the ones in the bigger cities along European corridors should be opened longer. Hope someone from Croatian Railways follows your channel :)
I tried to buy a ticket from Zagreb to Belgrade. Their I got the information, that they don´t have a train connection between this to cities anymore.
@@tinaschafer7780 Did you find another option? I need to take my pet and flixbus didnt accept
You should try the new overnight route by regiojet from Prague to Rijeka
Nice trip. Sadly as far as I can find out, the service now terminates in Slavonski Brod, so you cant actually get to Belgrade via train from the north.
The quality of our rail operator is so inconsistent it’s crazy. While you have service on Desiros and Pendolinos is quite good, other stock is outdated. We are getting new EMUs which are of course not gonna be operated internationally. Refurbishing these coaches is a necessity especially with the increase traffic that they expect. Although we are opening up new tracks and routes,so that’s good.
Slovenia railways (SŽ) orderd 52 new Stadlers trainset (21x Flirt DMU, 21 x Flirt EMU and 10 x Kiss EMU). They will gradually replace all remaining "classic" (locomotive + coaches) trainsets on domestic routes and improve/expand regional and IC offer. First units will enter service in autumn. More so, Flirt EMU-s will be able to operate in Austria and Croatia (for their catenary system) as well. There are rumours that they will/could operate between Graz/Villach and Zagreb. I really doubt these old coaches will be refurbished.
Uroš Zierer Hi fellow Slovenian! I as far as I know these flirt DMUs were already spotted on Kamnik-Ljubljana railway. I should’ve make my points clearer, but in the article that I referenced (link down below) it states that they are projecting to carry 8 million more passengers by 2031 than they did in 2017 (when the article was posted). This is a massive increase in passengers, which is not gonna be met if we retire these coaches. They are in a state of disrepair already and need treatment (which pretty much goes to all SŽ fleet). SŽ has already refurbished some old class 813s, so I hope they will refurbish more since service with these can be done on some unnelectrified track.
I just want better trains that’s it.
@@justsamoo3480 Hi! :) The new fleet of Stadlers should cope with a growing number of passangers. The majority of ridership is done on short routes around Ljubljana (capital city) and new trainsets (especially double decker Kiss) are perfect for this. Other Stadler trainsets will improve/expand regional and IC offer (frequency of public transport is a very important element) along the main lines. Old coaches will retire and they can´t be refurbished. It is not economically viable.
Atm, SŽ fleet has 12 coaches that are up to modern standards (A/C, 220V sockets, storage for bikes), and they are exclusively used on "best" international routes (EuroCity). Slovenian railways are planning to buy 20 new coaches for other international routes as well (www.blog.uporabnastran.si/2019/03/30/slovenske-zeleznice-nacrtujejo-nakup-20-ih-novih-potniskih-vagonov-za-opravljanje-mednarodnega-prometa/). They haven´t posted a public tender yet, current pandamic has postponed the process.
After the disintegration of Yugoslavia, the railways were almost completely abandoned. Serbia has now started to renew them, a high-speed railway is being built from Belgrade to Budapest, which will be completed on the Serbian side by next year (Belgrade - Novi Sad - Subotica). A high-speed railway to Nis is also planned, which will probably be connected with Greece and North Macedonia. Now, the reconstruction of the Belgrade (Serbia) - Bar (Montenegro) railway should start soon, with the most beautiful view in Europe in terms of train travel. It is planned to renew the railways to Bosnia, Croatia and Bulgaria as well. A new modern railway station in Belgrade has also been built and France is making a project for the Belgrade metro, which should start construction at the end of this or the beginning of next year.
@@redflower2827 Just all those are just plans (read election fairy tales), and i won't even talk how bad are Serbian Railways company in terms of organization, that's why even on new upgraded line Belgrade-Pančevo nobody use it and still go by bus, just because they are not capable to create proper schedule. And high speed line will be completed by the end of 2021 only from Belgrade to Novi Sad, rest of the line from Novi Sad to Hungarian border didn't even start with construction, gov signed contract with Chinese company in 2019 but they will start at the beginning of 2021 that section (although it was planned for march 2020), it should be fnished by 2023/24. Beside tracks and equipment all station are/will be renovated and upgraded (some even completely built like Zemun station in Belgrade).
Ahh Balkan! 😉
I've noticed that Croatia but other Balkan states as well primarily invest into highways and roads and they barely invest into railways. They just adapted to the car culture.
Interesting that here in Czechia, the country was also investing primarily into roads but after 2005 (EU integration year), the strategy switched and CZ started heavily investing into the main railways. Followed by success and many new PAX, the support continued even more so and nowadays the gap is even wider between the railways and other modes of transport. (I prefer trains so I'm quite happy about it!)
After the disintegration of Yugoslavia, the railways were almost completely abandoned. Serbia has now started to renew them, a high-speed railway is being built from Belgrade to Budapest, which will be completed on the Serbian side by next year (Belgrade - Novi Sad - Subotica). A high-speed railway to Nis is also planned, which will probably be connected with Greece and North Macedonia. Now, the reconstruction of the Belgrade (Serbia) - Bar (Montenegro) railway should start soon, with the most beautiful view in Europe in terms of train travel.A new modern railway station in Belgrade has also been built and France is making a project for the Belgrade metro, which should start construction at the end of this or the beginning of next year.
And the main tip is: book your ticket in advance, especially if you're travelling between no Schengen/EU countries. Happened to me the same whilst travelling to Romania, being awake twice in the middle of the night is quite annoying
This is quite complicated in the Balkans since no State Railway Operator offers booking of international tickets online so you need to go to the railway station in person prior to your journey to get a ticket .-.
Impossible if you dont live there
I took an overnight train from Ljubljana to Belgrade in 2010 (train n. 315, Lj 21:15 -> Beograd 06:19) and it was made by Serbian cars. There was at least a couchette car, I remember a japanese man that went to my compartment without a ticket and with croatian kunas only and I borrowed 5€. He paid 5€ to the conductor to the Zagreb-Beograd trip in couchette (I'm not sure it was an official ticket or if he just took money).
Agreed that overnight trains should have 2nd class couchettes. 95% do!
You can collect 2 stamps on your passport when you travel from Slovenia to Serbia.
Terrific catches! Terrific Trip you had!
A night train does not always mean couchettes and sleeping cars. A lot of night trains in Europe only offer seating options.
Well simplyrailway, sometimes happen train are with fat whells.
Like a lot of types.
Always my favourite train in italy,
Is frecciargento etr485.
Well pretty hard the laugnage, you know SNCF depart from French to Italy.
Soo... most comfort class is 1 or executive, Or business the 1st class.
Slovenia trains have fat whells,
Pretty loud, but More expensive flight is from Slovenia to Argentina i think.
Well, i hope good flight, byee!!.
Nice video! I saw on the website Vagonweb that this train had one couchette car between June and July. I hope this train will be upgraded with couchette and sleeper coaches in the future. Greetings from the Netherlands!
Great Video! L:::I:::K:::E
I used to drive from Belgrade to Zagreb in less time then your trip was. That’s Eastern Europe which is completely different the. The rail most people think of when they think of Europe.
You have also in Europe the overnight trains without sleeping car or with couchette this is not only in the Balkan Peninsula
We took this train from Slovenia few years back, overall it was ok. Saddly we chise the wrong day to travel as on some days they have actual sleepers. Nevertheless... We've got mugged when the train eas in Serbia(i was not all that surprised having experienced quiet a lot of eastern europe railway before) toilets were ba health hazard, but i live that u can ooen the window on those trains
What is this map where you marked your trip from Zagreb to Belgrade in red?
Good video but the border controls on both sides must have been annoying during the middle of the night!
But who goes to the train station for an international train without a ticket?
(Where in europe can u buy counter tickets at 11 PM ?)
The moon in this video.
How did you buy this ticket! Im just looking a website to buy same ticket but i dont know where...
Croatia has finally started investing into railways. After build excellent highways theybare finally getting to it. In the next 10 years, with the help of EU, they are planing to invest 4.5 billion euros (huge amount of money for Croatia) into 750km of tracks and stations. Mostly corridors of international importance (55% of Croatian railways are of international importance). Most of these 750km is electrification, modernization and double tracking existing rail. Corridors Zagreb-Budapest, Ljubljana-Zagreb-Belgrade are making up most of this modernization/expansion . The rest of it is Rijeka-Zagreb. This line is mainly used for Cargo transportation since the port of Rijeka is fairly big. Average passengers train speeds will be 160km/h. Cargo trains speed will be 120km/h. These speeds will mainly depend on how much HŽ is competent to maintain the railways after completion. Dalmatia (the rest of Croatia) bassicaly gets nothing. I'm hopping after these projects are done, they will get to modernizing and expanding the railways in Dalmatia. During the summer, Dalmatia is swamped with tourists. Railways would make coming here easier (you don't have to take a plane). The current railways in Dalmatia are falling apart. Single track, no electrification, less than 60km/h avarage speed. It takes allmost 7 hours from Split to Zagreb (420ish km trip), and that is with no delays. Taking the highway and obeying the 120km/h top speed limit will get you to Zagreb faster. Keep in mind Croatian highways are in top notch condition so a lot of people disregard the speed limit and drive 160-200 km/h. Making it to Zagreb in 3 hours. For the train to compete with the highways they will have to cut down travel times by more then 50%( i guess it's not hard to do when avarage speed is 60km/h)
Their is no train connection from Zagreb to Belgrade anymore.😥
@@tinaschafer7780 Tina, how do you know? I'm researching how to get from Zagreb to Belgrade and take my pet. I'll be traveling in two weeks. I don't know how to do it.
I used to travel on the Akorpolis Express between Germany and Athens in the 80s, not in one go but in separate sections. Journey time 2 days. While Yugoslavia being one country at the time certainly saved border control time, the Yugoslav Railways JZ was always not on time (ie late) big time (my Beograd to Athens journey 12 hours late when arrived at Athens) and I read on local papers about the relevant JZ staff getting communist style criticisms. DB carriages dominated the train set and it was really a scene to see DB blue and beige coaches at Athens station.
SLOVENIJA ❤️🇸🇮👍👏
The architect is called Pfaff Ferenc not Plaff
You might want to crop out or blur the passport number...
Try new transpenine express at leeds
Welcome to the Balkan Peninsula. You have cool stamp in your passport. You arrive in Serbia at Šid and make exit same day from Dimitrovgrad. Probably your next destination was Bulgaria. Greetings from Macedonia 🇲🇰
seems the unpleasant experience due to your lack of preparation, it is not the train operator's problem
Are you going to visit Slovakia (by any chance)?
Yes Bratislava to Kosice via Zilina is a very scenic route.
Už vydal video s EC Metropolitan Budapešť-Bratislava
Im from Slovenija and Croatia
Visiblement, cette liaison n'est plus ce qu'elle a surement été du temps du maréchal Tito. Il faut dire qu'à l'époque, il n'y avait pas de frontières internationales sur ce trajet. Mais même du temps de Tito, il semble que le réseau ferroviaire était un peu négligé. Les Autrichiens avaient construit des lignes qui ont été abandonnées. Certes, elles étaient à voie étroite, mais il aurait été bien de les mettre au format standard au lieu de les abandonner. Je pense notamment à la ligne Bosnische Ostbahn (Sarajevo-Visegrad-Serbie) et aussi au Dalmatinerbahn qui reliait Dubrovnik et la région de Kotor au reste du réseau ferroviaire.
You travelled only with a couple of Euros?
Yes! I paid most of my ticket with my credit card but as I said, the ticket office at this station was closed and at that moment I had few euros in my pocket
And by the way, you'll probably get totally screwed if you attempt this in China (if you plan to travel to China)... Train tickets are almost unlikely to be available when you arrive at the station, and you'll mostly need to book for a ticket in advance...
You remember the post you made a few days ago on night trains in Europe ... well if they’re like that, no there’s no future for them 😂😂