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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @MadelineJS.2727
    @MadelineJS.2727 2 місяці тому +977

    Dayum i wished for an Astro Boy 2nd movie... And it ALMOST came true...

    • @funtimeclassicfoxywolfy4549
      @funtimeclassicfoxywolfy4549 2 місяці тому +74

      Yeah and it didn’t happen the movie killed the studio

    • @bubbleteaop
      @bubbleteaop 2 місяці тому

      @@funtimeclassicfoxywolfy4549Tbh I think Netflix should pick it up and finish it

    • @maxwellthehedgehog6273
      @maxwellthehedgehog6273 2 місяці тому +49

      Yeah, the movie was a financial failure, and the studio went out of business.

    • @swiftstreak98
      @swiftstreak98 2 місяці тому +50

      I often wonder how the movie didn’t do so well when so many people loved it (myself included)

    • @bubbleteaop
      @bubbleteaop 2 місяці тому +31

      @@swiftstreak98 Makes me wonder why didn’t either Prime Video or Netflix pick it up and finish it.

  • @THEAnimeHERO
    @THEAnimeHERO 2 місяці тому +812

    Kinda surreal to see lost/cancelled footage in 1080p.

    • @clayharris7740
      @clayharris7740 2 місяці тому +27

      0:28 kimba the white lion

    • @devindietz7798
      @devindietz7798 2 місяці тому +6

      Why is it cancelled 😡?

    • @mikejohnson1765
      @mikejohnson1765 2 місяці тому +2

      Big fan of yours!

    • @kingj9664
      @kingj9664 Місяць тому +1

      Do you know exactly who the kid asked roboy and rescued is she and the Tesla character or she a new character for the movie

  • @ShaulaXNinja
    @ShaulaXNinja 2 місяці тому +804

    A sequel to the 2009 Astro Boy movie as well as being a huge crossover with many of Tezuka's works.
    We were robbed.

    • @AStandsForFrench
      @AStandsForFrench 2 місяці тому +11

      @@mauriciomarquez6743 megaman is an astro boy knockoff, so you decide

    • @Magicweeg
      @Magicweeg 2 місяці тому +20

      Bro you can’t just say that

    • @markymusprime
      @markymusprime 2 місяці тому +21

      @@AStandsForFrench knockoff schmockoff!
      Megaman has the power to copy the abilities of any robot he encounters. Even his aforementioned senpai, Astro.
      Hell, he could use Optimus Prime’s ion blaster if he wanted to.

    • @swiftstreak98
      @swiftstreak98 2 місяці тому +7

      @@markymusprime Except he is nowhere near the same level as Astro or Optimus

    • @markymusprime
      @markymusprime 2 місяці тому +7

      @@swiftstreak98now, Optimus, I understand, because I’m a huge Transformers fan, and Optimus is my hero, but COME ON! Does Astro even have an archenemy?
      I mean, Batman has a ton of archenemies.
      The Joker, The Penguin, the Riddler, Catwoman, Two-face, I could go on.

  • @KyProRen
    @KyProRen 2 місяці тому +369

    WE COULD'VE HAD TEZUTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!?!?
    We were robbed!

  • @lyrichardeman5779
    @lyrichardeman5779 2 місяці тому +315

    It’s like Astro Boy (2009 film) but with Osamu Tezuka Cinematic Universe!!

  • @DavidBetances-d6b
    @DavidBetances-d6b 2 місяці тому +63

    Me: “What kinda dragon ball Z type flight is that anywa- KIMBA THE WHITE LION!?”

    • @Crazylom
      @Crazylom 2 місяці тому +6

      Same reaction to Kimba lmao

  • @iandrawsthings
    @iandrawsthings 2 місяці тому +132

    Shame on the studio for cancelling this omfg ❤

  • @Homey104
    @Homey104 2 місяці тому +59

    The moment I saw Astro Boy it already reminded me of the 2009 movie just with Astro sporting a cool looking wardrobe which actually suits him in my opinion.
    This is well put together BTW and I think the execs from Hollywood should look into your work! 👍🏽

  • @londonjackson8986
    @londonjackson8986 2 місяці тому +78

    Man, this would've been SO Awesome! Okay, maybe wouldn't been perfect, but a Theatrical Anime Crossover of Osamu Tezuka's Various Characters (similar to Omega Factor on GBA) is just too GOOD of a Concept to pass up! No, Really! I want to see Atom (Astro Boy) interacting with Sun Wukong (1952's My Son Gokū) & Hyakkimaru!!!
    Speaking of which, Atom's Design here is uncannily similar to how he looked in the 2009 Movie!

  • @christineking2855
    @christineking2855 2 місяці тому +88

    It would be even more cool if I had only seen Astro and Kimba work together too.

  • @nightowlseclipse2421
    @nightowlseclipse2421 2 місяці тому +166

    Who's here after Catsuka news?

    • @londonjackson8986
      @londonjackson8986 2 місяці тому +23

      @nightowlseclipse Guilty as Charged! I'm not even a massive Tezuka fan! But even as someone who has only really watched Astro Boy (1963, 2003, 2009 & a Longplay of Omega Factor), Dororo (2019 & some of 1969) and Boku no Son Gokū (2003), the dopamine of just finding this out still got me! Again, Guilty as Charged...
      Edit: I've also now have watched the 2004 Anime Adaptation of Phoenix (I HIGHLY recommend it, it's genuinely Fantastic) & the Marine Empress!

    • @brianthemagicminion1464
      @brianthemagicminion1464 2 місяці тому +3

      Me

    • @jjstarrprod
      @jjstarrprod 2 місяці тому +8

      I just discovered it !

    • @JemZard
      @JemZard 2 місяці тому +5

      Ehhh I'm really not a big fan on Catsuka's arrogance since they posted about Ghost Cat Anzu claiming that the movie is entirely rotoscoped but an animator who worked on the movie claims that all those live footage are referenced for their animation works and not rotoscoped but Catsuka started being arrogant and fighting on the hardworking animator that they trusted more of the directors than hardworking and underpaid animators.

    • @maxpops8427
      @maxpops8427 Місяць тому +2

      Outta the loop, What news?

  • @AstroUr4n
    @AstroUr4n 2 місяці тому +45

    It’s the first time I see actual good design of Osamu Tezuka characters in 3D, being serious atom looks amazing 🤭

  • @BeautifulBeaMe
    @BeautifulBeaMe 2 місяці тому +19

    I would've LOVED to see this ;-; Astroboy looks so good!

  • @beamslinger
    @beamslinger 2 місяці тому +21

    i love tezukas work so so much!!!! such a legend....really hope we can get something that looks this good to honor his orginal characters

  • @lightyearpig12
    @lightyearpig12 2 місяці тому +21

    Astro Boy: Tezuka Stars, assemble!

  • @Angel29Lifelight
    @Angel29Lifelight 2 місяці тому +22

    1:29 Astro's fit is straight Fire!🔥🔥🔥

  • @RTWLR
    @RTWLR 2 місяці тому +5

    This might be the greatest version of Astro Boy I’ve ever seen! He looks like a real superhero

  • @MacDaddyPrince
    @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +5

    Good thing I still got my classic series of Astro Boy on dvd it's pretty good y'all .
    Like he always say LET'S ROCKET!!

  • @animeland4683
    @animeland4683 2 місяці тому +12

    That would be a great movie for the fan of tesuka in cinema

  • @Kusanagikaiser999
    @Kusanagikaiser999 2 місяці тому +121

    WHY DID THEY CANCELLED THIS? this looks amazing.

    • @sonicxmlp8397
      @sonicxmlp8397 2 місяці тому +14

      Probably due to the Astro Boy 2009 movie flopping hard.

    • @kam2242
      @kam2242 Місяць тому +3

      Because it was a copyright from Astro boy 2009

  • @rowanknighthood7255
    @rowanknighthood7255 2 місяці тому +10

    Phenomenal, the animation and everything looks. 😊❤😢🎉

  • @MacDaddyPrince
    @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +4

    The moment I saw Astro Boy it brings me back memories of 2009 Astro Boy movie that I used to watch when I was a kid how can I forget cause that was the first time I met him ❤☺️ , not to mention I remember I used to have a game of him on DS until I gave it to one of my friends ( cause it was alright to be honest ) it just that I wanted more than that y'all feel me 😉
    - Not only that I wished they made Astro Boy 2 and look how it's been they should've been made it after all this time , at this point we need to let them know and they need put him on the video game of SEGA since Mega Man is on Nintendo might is well give Astro Boy to shine he'll be perfect on 2D and 3D I mean have y'all seen him fight in the movie it was dope 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @rainbowhawk911
    @rainbowhawk911 2 місяці тому +4

    That was amazing!
    May Jesus bless you all and lead you to Him, as He has done for me!

  • @DaveBorer
    @DaveBorer 2 місяці тому +21

    Sadly, This is an historical video for us to know it never came to the light.

  • @spider59er35
    @spider59er35 2 місяці тому +6

    Deep cut for Kimba the white lion

  • @KrisVexBlood
    @KrisVexBlood 2 місяці тому +13

    0:29 this is why YMS needs to react to this

  • @Digital_Ninja279
    @Digital_Ninja279 2 місяці тому +20

    WHY WASNT THIS MADE???? 😭😭😭😭😭

  • @alexmaxwell3708
    @alexmaxwell3708 2 місяці тому +1

    for years i've been a big fan of old toons and such. WHY NO ONE TOLD ME ABOUT THIS?!!? ASTRO BOY IS LEGENDARY! WHO WOULD DARE TO REMOVE THIS MASTERPIECE?!

  • @AkmalNova20
    @AkmalNova20 2 місяці тому +7

    Soldier: Outstanding!

  • @harry.t9523
    @harry.t9523 2 місяці тому +2

    Never expected to see Kimba the White Lion in UHD animation.

  • @jaehojeong5036
    @jaehojeong5036 Місяць тому +2

    We hope there will be new *Astro Boy(Iron Arm)* (3D) animated movies with sequels(, based on Tezuka's Atom 1963, 1980 series,) by the production of *Walt Disney Animation Studio* in the very far future perhaps since the *2060s*. * The copyright protection duty can be changed before the 2050s or the 2040s.

  • @ZeroSnake
    @ZeroSnake 2 місяці тому +10

    This looks dope, thank you for giving Astro clothes lol. Hopefully Megaman get the movie treatment one day.

  • @mattiaScolax05
    @mattiaScolax05 Місяць тому +2

    This Pluto prequel looks cool

  • @MusciaInternational
    @MusciaInternational 2 місяці тому +2

    i'am soooooo maddddddd!!!!! need to bring it back to work this movie

  • @baronfawkes
    @baronfawkes Місяць тому +1

    POGGERS, TEZUKA WOULD BE SO PROUD

  • @sonicfanboi645
    @sonicfanboi645 Місяць тому +1

    I feel like this could’ve been like one of those silent animated movies

  • @SertonX
    @SertonX Місяць тому +1

    Omg, my childhood watch like this!!

  • @Chriso22
    @Chriso22 Місяць тому +2

    Um what the heck why am i only finding this a year later?

  • @gleove1
    @gleove1 Місяць тому +2

    We need ASTRO BOY 2 now

  • @TAGanimation
    @TAGanimation Місяць тому +1

    If you ask me, we should have had a live action Black Jack. That manga looks practically tailor-made for a Tim Burton/Johnny Depp film.

  • @warrior5096
    @warrior5096 2 місяці тому +10

    How has this just popped into my feed?

    • @FlyingZard11
      @FlyingZard11 2 місяці тому

      I second that. UA-cam's algorithm's wonky. x.x

  • @danieltull9350
    @danieltull9350 2 місяці тому

    This looks so dope. Seeing Kimba the white lion surprised me, but it was interesting for sure lol

  • @michaelangelo4108
    @michaelangelo4108 2 місяці тому +3

    That’s crazy I never saw Astro boy in years whyyyyy I want more

  • @Churasakanasa
    @Churasakanasa 2 місяці тому +3

    Man, jump force 2 looks wild

  • @kyleikezoe3831
    @kyleikezoe3831 2 місяці тому +6

    looks like astro boy is making a come back

    • @drevilstrange3560
      @drevilstrange3560 2 місяці тому

      it's canseled

    • @JemZard
      @JemZard 2 місяці тому

      ​@@drevilstrange3560Wait what do you mean by "canseled"? 💀

    • @drevilstrange3560
      @drevilstrange3560 2 місяці тому +1

      @@JemZard i meant canceled

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +1

      I know it's cancel . But I hope someday he would and we gotta make it happen
      - Not only that we need to bring him on the video game of SEGA as well so that could be his moment to shine y'all feel me

  • @rocioreyes6695
    @rocioreyes6695 2 місяці тому +3

    That was amazing

  • @AlejandroBraga-hl1oo
    @AlejandroBraga-hl1oo 2 місяці тому +2

    Kimba Astro boy and others this short should have a movie

    • @Acermani456
      @Acermani456 2 місяці тому

      Yeah, Kimba should get a movie, and NO, i’m not talking about an animated movie but a live action or CGI movie in the theaters, NOT just on home media!

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +2

      FR I agree they need to bring them back and most importantly we gotta let them know
      - Not to mention we gotta let them know to bring Astro Boy on SEGA he'll be perfect just like his rival

    • @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002
      @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 Місяць тому

      @@Acermani456 Are you sure that a live action Kimba movie sounds like a good idea tho'? cuz' I hope he doesn't look like Sonic's first movie design lol.

  • @amyhewitt5061
    @amyhewitt5061 2 місяці тому +1

    LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE IT

  • @yonrexgameryt8494
    @yonrexgameryt8494 2 місяці тому +2

    The closest to have Astro Boy 2 🗣️🔥

  • @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002
    @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 2 місяці тому

    I never knew this existed since the 2009 Astro Boy movie was my first introduction to the character as Astro Boy himself was usually the only work from Tezuka I know, but I think it also looks cool, plus seeing Astro Boy in this even made me think about making my own Astro Boy characters based on the 2 characters named "Orion Pax" and "D-16" from this one movie I enjoyed alot called "Transformers One" too :D
    0:29
    Oh.
    So he's also is in this crossover too, huh? Meh lol.

  • @muhammadagengnugroho3387
    @muhammadagengnugroho3387 2 місяці тому +3

    Damn
    Our boi Hyakkimaru is here too

  • @RaraTheRascal
    @RaraTheRascal 2 місяці тому +7

    We Need A #RebuildTezutopia Campaign, Now!!!!

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +2

      Exactly we gotta let them know and we gotta bring Astro Boy to SEGA he'll be perfect and that'll be his moment

    • @RaraTheRascal
      @RaraTheRascal 2 місяці тому +1

      @@MacDaddyPrince HELL YEAHH!!!

    • @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002
      @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 Місяць тому +1

      That would be nice :)

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince Місяць тому +1

      @RaraTheRascal ✨😉😁😁

  • @beaudoty3465
    @beaudoty3465 2 місяці тому +2

    THIS. NEEDS. TO. HAPPEN!!!!

  • @oswaldoayala9167
    @oswaldoayala9167 2 місяці тому +1

    I remember watching the movie Astro Boy as I child before watch the tv series

  • @elfernanxd4115
    @elfernanxd4115 2 місяці тому +1

    MY GUY ASTRO BOY IS HERE YEAAAAH 😭😭😭😭

  • @rileyjoiner3413
    @rileyjoiner3413 2 місяці тому +1

    I hope someday in the future they make both a kimba the white lion/jungle emperor Leo (which ever they call it America) and an Astro boy tv series or movie

  • @normamendoza8990
    @normamendoza8990 2 місяці тому +6

    This is totally awesome I love it I can't wait to see it I really so excited ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

    • @sonicfanboy3375
      @sonicfanboy3375 2 місяці тому +1

      I don't know if you are joking but I'm pretty sure this is cancelled

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +1

      Don't worry maybe someday it will and most importantly we gotta let them know if we don't we never gonna get that chance you feel me

  • @CreativBlu_
    @CreativBlu_ 2 місяці тому +1

    Yay, Kimba!!!❤❤❤

  • @Dragonrider1227
    @Dragonrider1227 2 місяці тому +13

    What was this supposed to be? A series? A game? A mobile thing?

  • @adamhaneline7236
    @adamhaneline7236 Місяць тому

    That's amazing!!

  • @KathleenMorey-wp8ks
    @KathleenMorey-wp8ks 2 місяці тому +3

    Okay I like the concept and I would really like to see it as an actual movie but now I'm wondering why was it scrapped

  • @ShadowDancer1000
    @ShadowDancer1000 2 місяці тому +1

    0:49 PLLLUUUUTTTOOOOO 👿
    “The ancient gods of Europe come to mind. The god of death, he had horns like these. There was Herne the Hunter, who took the souls of warriors. He was called the “Horned King.” In Greek mythology, the horned king of the underworld was Hades of course. The Roman god of the dead…
    …was Pluto.”

    • @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002
      @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 Місяць тому

      Wait- so that's what/who Pluto looks like or based off of??
      Because I mean, when I first discovered Pluto? judging by the horns, I always thought Pluto looked more like a Half-Robot and Half-Minotaur 😅

    • @ShadowDancer1000
      @ShadowDancer1000 Місяць тому

      @@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 nope. God of death, arrives in the form of a hatred tornado, leaving only destruction in its path
      If you haven’t seen the Pluto spinoff I would HIGHLY recommend watching it

    • @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002
      @monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 Місяць тому +1

      @@ShadowDancer1000 No worries, I did watch it 2 weeks ago, it was pretty awesome :)

  • @xXBoogiepopXx
    @xXBoogiepopXx 2 місяці тому +7

    Wouldve made a good teaser for a Tezuka MOBA. Lol

  • @jaehojeong5036
    @jaehojeong5036 Місяць тому +1

    Tezutopia = (Disney) Zootopia + Tezuka

  • @ssbc0944
    @ssbc0944 2 місяці тому

    It's just beatifull and I would love to see this cinemas

  • @Sixfigurelady954
    @Sixfigurelady954 2 місяці тому +6

    0:52 it that Astro boy

    • @SonicRules21
      @SonicRules21 2 місяці тому

      Yeah I think so

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +1

      Yeap that's him I recognized his flight of boost anywhere 😄

  • @Oscartex
    @Oscartex 2 місяці тому +1

    Esta sí es una película que merece ser estrenar 😊🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤ 1:47

  • @mohdimansaifullizan6193
    @mohdimansaifullizan6193 2 місяці тому +1

    Astro boy best childhood

  • @vito6197
    @vito6197 2 місяці тому

    This is what I want a potential Mega Man movie to look like

  • @joshualaw9607
    @joshualaw9607 2 місяці тому +4

    I'm impressed 👏
    Question 1a video, tv show or movie ?
    Question 2 astro boy I know but who are the other characters
    like the person he saved
    or the white lion cub
    or the man on the hoverboard
    or the blue robot
    or the people in the background

  • @BrandonDelao-ti7jn
    @BrandonDelao-ti7jn 2 місяці тому +2

    I love it

  • @suttonfreeland6368
    @suttonfreeland6368 Місяць тому

    0:48 help I’m so brain rotted why did I hear “GET OUT”

  • @spongemaster
    @spongemaster 2 місяці тому

    I had no idea that this was a thing, I'm not too familiar with the other characters outside of Astro Boy and Kimba but I like the animation and it looks like it would have been an improvement from the 2009 film.

  • @RaceBandit
    @RaceBandit 2 місяці тому

    I'm not much of a movie person, but this looks like it would’ve been interesting.

  • @typlayer
    @typlayer 2 місяці тому +6

    Astro Boy is back!!!

  • @christiantoste9904
    @christiantoste9904 Місяць тому

    This would be a great movie

  • @Shirebaggins.
    @Shirebaggins. 2 місяці тому +10

    0:49 pluto ! 🤩

  • @markymusprime
    @markymusprime 2 місяці тому +3

    The body suit looks way better than the stupid underpants. That’s all I gotta say about Atom’s new design.

    • @YahairaCorales
      @YahairaCorales 2 місяці тому

      Bro stupid underpants 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that made me laugh that you said

  • @Ryancay05
    @Ryancay05 2 місяці тому +1

    Me too Im a fan of Astro boy

  • @thexdatabase
    @thexdatabase 2 місяці тому +4

    at least we have team phoenix

  • @mrcookie6944
    @mrcookie6944 2 місяці тому +3

    Astro boy 2!?

  • @supersonic873
    @supersonic873 2 місяці тому

    WHAT DID I JUST WATCH BECAUSE I WANT MORE OF IT.....
    ALSO IM COMPLETELY CONFUSED, WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON!?!?!❤🎉

  • @anarkiddo333
    @anarkiddo333 2 місяці тому

    If Osamu Tezuka had his own Avengers universe:

  • @AxelKuki-qf3qq
    @AxelKuki-qf3qq 2 місяці тому

    That was AWESOME 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @guntherthequizmaster9515
    @guntherthequizmaster9515 2 місяці тому +1

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in Tezutopia

  • @toast-totem
    @toast-totem Місяць тому +1

    Unico!!! 😢❤ 1:32

  • @sumohamsters200
    @sumohamsters200 2 місяці тому +2

    Holy shit its Blackjack!!! ❤

  • @SamuelAnguiano-hc6tk
    @SamuelAnguiano-hc6tk Місяць тому

    I wish this film would be official movie ......😢😢

  • @GamingKingdom91
    @GamingKingdom91 Місяць тому +1

    I see astro...
    I watch

  • @ul7185
    @ul7185 2 місяці тому

    Don't Forget the Characters from Princess Knight, Dororo, Unico, Don Dracula and Marvelous Melmo!

  • @whinsekk
    @whinsekk 2 місяці тому +2

    ¿ASTRO BOY 2?

  • @aldovega2000
    @aldovega2000 2 місяці тому +1

    Astro Boy 🤖 Black Jack 🩺 Kimba The White Lion 🦁

  • @your1hero
    @your1hero Місяць тому +1

    I would have loved a crossover movie with astro boy and mega man, just for fun. Sucks we never got a 2nd movie, i actually didn't think the first one was that bad. Pretty sure we're getting mario and sonic in the future so why not this, plus Zelda might be a movie, all though there's too many versions to choose from😅 are there any other video games that you want to be a movie or series.

  • @ShinGoukiHatsudo
    @ShinGoukiHatsudo 2 місяці тому +5

    When is Tezutopia release?

    • @Darkchao_berserko22
      @Darkchao_berserko22 2 місяці тому +1

      It was canceled long ago.

    • @MacDaddyPrince
      @MacDaddyPrince 2 місяці тому +1

      Right now we need to work together to bring them back and bring Astro Boy to SEGA he'll be perfect just like his rival

  • @editormeraklisi
    @editormeraklisi 2 місяці тому +3

    Tatlı ama astro'nun yüzü biraz uzun olmuş normalde daha yuvarlak yüze sahip yine de tatlı ve komik 😂❤ delirmek üzereyim 😭😭

  • @Neganium
    @Neganium 23 дні тому

    waitwaitwait what _is_ this??? I've literally never heard of this before!

  • @chispychisp1690
    @chispychisp1690 2 місяці тому

    This looks better than the first movie

  • @MrBlueSkyof1607
    @MrBlueSkyof1607 2 місяці тому

    Now _this_ I have to dig up!

  • @themasterofthemasks9965
    @themasterofthemasks9965 Місяць тому +1

    Am I tripping or did I see hyakkimaru from dororo Sun wukong from 1952's, my son goku, and what I believe is Judge Dread? I may be wrong so you're allowed to correct if you wish

  • @memyselfandi7782
    @memyselfandi7782 2 місяці тому +1

    Lol! Was that Kimba the white Lion?! I love it😆 Ik Astronomy, what was the other guy?