I bought this Cronos watch for the PT5000 movement! How good is the watch and the movement?
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I bought this watch mainly for the movement! Welcome to my review of a Pilot watch by Cronos with a PT5000 high beat movement by HK precision technology. In this review, you will find out about the PT5000, and I will of course review the watch too. You will see lume shots, macro of the watch and movement, outdoor shots and all the stats and specs of the watch and the movement!
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The PT 5000 is very accurate, but there are reported issues regarding lubrication. I can confirm this because the rota in my Cronos Bronze Turtle spins with the hand winding feature. Regrettably Cronos were less than helpful with this matter, and as such I have bought my last Cronos. I should say, the PT5000 on my Geckota G-02 is as sweet as nut. Finally, any ETA2824 movement or any of it's derivatives should only be given minimal hand winding, they really don't like it.
I have the Watch shown here and it intermittently clicks while winding so I'll just give it the 7S shuffle. It's running +2 spd .🥂
I agree, I had an issue with my sellita sw200 where I wasn't delicate enough with the hand winding, and it caused something to break causing the rotor to spin when hand winding. Its a delicate brass piece which can break apparently.
@@watchmewithwatches offt that's a bit rough.....
Dear Dan,
It is a real pleasure to see how your videos just keep getting better. I also appreciate the range of topics and more technical focus such as this examination of the PT5000.
I've never had one myself, have opted in the past for the SW200 when offered as an alternative, but given price, all the good things I keep hearing, and now your formidable review, I am really inclined to give the PT5000 a try in a future watch.
Well done. Looking forward to more of your videos featuring analysis of movements.
All the best.
Cheers.
Thanks Felo, I think its nice to get what appears to be a decent high beat movement in a watch for less than £200. I'm looking forward to two more watches coming with different high beat movements.
@@watchmewithwatches Terrific, I know your reviews will be very interesting and informative. Looking forward to them 👍
The movement information was very interesting, so I enjoyed the review despite not being a Flieger fan. I quite like hearing about your straps, particularly as I am wearing one at the moment! Maybe you could do the occasional strap demonstration video. That way, we get to see the straps and which watches you think they suit, and the people who don't like you mentioning them can just avoid those episodes and everyone is happy.
Great idea! Just got a big shipment of a new range I will be offering. This will be a chance to showcase the new release too!
The watch itself isn't my cup of tea but great content and you can really tell that the production levels on you videos have improved as well as having all the relevant info clearly given, very impressed and i look forward to the next one. 👍
EXCELLENT description on the "feel" of the PT5000. I have a few pieces with the PT5000. They all feel and sound different, BUT your description applies to all of them. This and the whole review/ video/script and production very well done!
I have the LM6003 in blue with the same movement, really nice watch, not my every day watch but keeps good time.
Beautiful watch and I am going to buy one!!!
Lovely, enjoy!
Like some other people have said, it's not my style (the size is too big for me), but you managed to get some great shots and video. Thank you very much.
Hi Dan, thanks for your excellent review. The Flieger Type B is not my cup of tea. I enjoy the movement for a week now in my Phylida NTTD. It has - 0,3s/d. By far better than my ETAs and Selitta watches. Quite impressing. Although my NH35 watches are more accurate than my swiss movement watches. Keep on!
No kidding? Do you know if it is made in japan or malaysia? My Seiko branded 7s26 is malaysian and decent. Not having handwriting is great but it works.
I like it, and I'm impressed by the movement. I think I'm going to go check it out to see if they've got a black dial version, though.
I did prefer that one, but no stock 😢
@@watchmewithwatches The black dial is back in stock now at AliExpress in the Heimdallr Diver Watch Store! Had the same issue, wanted the black one, only green was available....I like it in the meantime, but I will definitely get the black dial, as well. It's an excellent watch, the time-keeping of the PT5000 ist very good. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for reviewing one of these budget Cronos. I have to admit , it is better than I thought it would be. I appreciated your info about the movement. That strap! I wouldn’t want to feel the polyurethane coating against my wrist.
I have a different watch using the PT5000 movement, and have played with it a bit to see what it can do. As received, the watch had some position variation in the rate, which was cured by properly lubricating the balance pivots. Now it is settable to zero beat error and a rate within +/- 2 sec per day. Its only remaining problem is in "isochronism": it runs a bit slower when would up well vs after it has been unworn for a day. I suspect this reflects a difference between the PT5000 vs the ETS hairsping, but not enough to motivate me to replace this part.
Sorry: ETA hairspring. typing has never been one of my few skills.
lol
looks good, very interesting movement
I am kind of chuckling to myself after reading the reviews as although I had a long career in Aviation, I am not a fan of this style of watch, and also, not a fan of green on a watch.. Having said all that, it’s nice to see Cronos upping their game in both quality and choice of movement. Maybe they will at some point begin to out do SM. Nice review Dan.
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The only review I've seen of this 👍. Crystal looks single dome to me.
Was considering buying it, but went with Escapement Time instead.
Nice review, as always :)
I think you'd benefit a lot from a gimble, for your outdoor shots!
You will be cross with me. I have one! Always forget to use it! Shameful I know lol
Very nice.I’ve been looking at the Cronos Seamaster,I really like both of these watches.Great Review👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🍀🍀🍀
All 2423 movements should be hand wound slowly, I have actually had more luck with Chinese clones not stripping the teeth on that gear that makes it so when you wind it the rotor goes around like crazy, after a few years when handwinding most will have a little rotor wiggle.
Generaly alot of Chinese 2824 high beat clones that are decent 9/10 will be fine and 7/10 will be as accurate or more accurate than an ETA, most don't need regulation out of the box but when I get a watch from Japan or China they have usually had a long trip and been past quite a few machines with magnetism also not handled that gentle so a demag when first getting it then after a month or 2 of wearing its usually a good idea to check it, the beat error may need to be adjusted but its usually 0.0 or 0.1 , but if you don't have a timmograph you can adjust the speed so when you wear it it will be +1 seconds a day with the micro adjust screw.
I'm not a huge fan of caseback displays unless the movement is highly decorated and even then I would want to make sure it's thick sapphire or something that could take a drop, a display back on a diver is just a bad idea all around as that's usually where it fails pressure testing.
Some Chinese manufacturers are based on the stellita and some on the Eta, I took apart a seagull 2824 and it was more like the stellita but only the balance jewels had been piled properly, a hangzhou 2824 was 25 jewels and much more like an ETA with properly oiled jewels and slightly better quality parts.
Since HKPT and hangzhou have a type of partnership I would guess being 25 it's more like the Eta and hopefully is oiled well, I think the new shock system on the Pt5000 that apparatly helps center the pinions on the jewel bearing is a good idea and it's a way to tell them apart as most Chinese movements have no markings.
Be careful if your building a watch as a few company's make these cheap 21600bph movements that are the same size as an eta 2824 and the dial and hands will fit but they are not great usually around 15 to 20 dollars you can tell by the blue around the rotor bearing and how it looks nothing like a 2824 on top.
The only thing they are good for is if you want to go to a tissot dealer and get a watch with no glass caseback then switch it out with a Chinese one so you can keep the powermatic 😂
I really won't become a fan of that green any time soon. Black, white or bust with that design.
You mentioned the handwinding, I've heard some ETAs don't like handwinding at all, the gears for that aren't even steel but brass and they tend to fail if you use that feature too often. Yeah, Swiss quality in full action. I don't know if the Chinese would copy that part but if that's a thing I'd certainly prefer the good old NH35.
the whole point of a pilot watch is legibility,
and to be sure the watch is running, they could've improved that
by painting the hands including the secondhand white.
that's all..
next to that maybe just a handwinder would be just fine.
( the strap looks amazing, and ageing that leather would make it even better )
I agree, I think fully lumed white hands would look snazzy and would be very legible. If they weren't so expensive, the Laco and Stowa fleigers are great, manual wind or auto, different sizes and authentic case design. I did make my own fleiger from scratch too (check out "frankenklein" video)
I was talking to my watch buddy Alexander b, the other day and we were talking about this movement in a different watch. Our concern was the longevity of it. It's not really been around long enough to know how it well it will last. Aside from that it's been all good press. The watch? meh.. pretty generic. Good stuff Dan, cheers mate.
Thanks Dave. I think the movement has been around for over 5 years. A company called Hamtun has decided to go with this movement due to extensive research and testing concluded they are reliable and offer incredible value for money as an accurate high beat movement. More to come in the movement review me thinks!
@@watchmewithwatches cheers mate.
Isn't the PT5000 the movement Gary and James specifically chose for the Exciton over at ILW? Because of the quality, reliability and price? I know Alexander is a regular viewer and commenter over them.
@@karlsenula9495 hi Karl, im not sure actually. If they have it would be for good reason. I know Cronos are experienced with these movements, so would be an excellent movement to have. I'm waiting for my escapement time watch with the miyota 9015, will see how good that is too.
@@karlsenula9495 The Exciton has a Miyota 9015
Hi Dan. I'm really interested in the PT5000 movement. I have no experience with it so far. I'd like to know more about it, especially about the longevity of it. Cheers!
Well, since it's a high beat movement, it should last significantly less than your typical NH35A movement. For instance, the Rolex 3235 cal (28800 bph + 72hrs power reserve) has a service period of around 10 years whereas the new Zenith El Primero Chronograph (36000 bph + 60hrs power reserve) has only 5 years between each service period. You can imagine how bigger the gap would be between the Seiko movt at 21600bph and the PT5000 at 28800 (although both are relatively cheap to replace, 20ish USD for the NH35 and 50-60+ for the PT5000).
Hi Alexander. We were talking about this movement the other day and the question of its longevity. It seems like a great movement but is it a trustworthy movement and are we willing to be the guinea pigs 🤔
Initially, I have doubts with movement made in China. But after owing 2 watches with PT5000 movement ( properly lubricated ) for about 1 year plus, I was really impress by its performance! The Chinese can made such great movements better than the Russian Poljot International watches!
Its accuracy is almost +/- 10s per day!
I feel like discarding my old LACO flieger watches away! What a shame!
I’m not a big flieger or field watch guy, but love the green dial 💚 are the hands really thermally blued ? Also really interested in the movement as the next watch I’m going to buy has the PT5000 , cheers Dan
Like the way everything is lumed but would rather anything but that green dial... Just not a fan of green.
Did I see a glimpse of the Exciton watch there as well ? 😉
I bought a phylida with a pt5000 because of what I'd heard about its accuracy. Unfortunately I got really unlucky, and it lost 15 seconds an hour! Had to go back, still don't know the end of that story. I'm not sure I'd get another one though as the winder actually hurt my fingers. I think I'd be happy to stay on seiko nh35's if it was a choice between the two now
How unusual! Maybe it got badly knocked or even magnetised to run that poorly?
@@watchmewithwatches I hope so, its frustrating as I bought it more for that movement than the watch! But the winder action was really worrying, and it seemed to be very hard to get the crown to screw down. LIke I say, that watch bites!
@@tonycresswell8492 what a shame, I wish you luck with your next one
Hi Dan
I got the escapement time version with the pt5000 (I was curious to try the movement also). I only have it a short time but it seems to run really well between +0 to +4 per day. I have 1 issue and am wondering if you experienced the same. The rotor noise is very loud (I thought it was broken initially!!!), do you know if its a particularly noisy movement? Is yours like that too?
Thanks and keep up the good content!
I have this PT5000 in a San Martin, Chronos and a Phylida
what i have found that on the San Martin winding the crown a full 40 to 45 turns only gives 18h of run time and stopes , i am going to test the Cronos and the Phylida
can some one with this movement test and see the run times.
Please and thank you.
I like it. I’d also prefer black however. AliExpress I assume?
Yes, and black is out of stock 😢
Good morning from beautiful Thailand. I have ordered a PT5000 movement for a build but am unsure as to what dial and handset to use. Are Seiko and handsets compatible with this movement. JANBOY. RN. Rtd.
The green shade looks kinda washed out, black would be much better. Any tips on how to spot whether a crystal is single or double domed?
like the crown. what would it be called - a 1/2 pumpkin? thanks for checking this out.
Or a squashed squash?
Lime is cool, but kinds redundant in today's world. I mean really if you are oit at night what doe it matter if you can read it for an extra 10 minutes? Especially when you could have an el light where you can read it whenever you want?
You didn’t have to pay the VAT plus the handling fee of around 20 to 30 pounds?
Although I did pick up a Wenger attitude heritage with eta2824 for around £200 last year in a jeweler’s sale which is a bargain for a limited edition watch with a Swiss movement and a warranty you can rely upon without worrying about paying taxes again and expensive postage back to China. If you can even get the Chinese seller to give you any warranty
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The blue one I received you can feel an intermittent click while winding & it's pretty stiff. I was thinking possibly a incorrectly sized Crown Stem . Thoughts ?
I think the click is normal, the stiffness is normal too! All derivatives have similar feel of stiffness compared to seiko and miyota movements for example
@@watchmewithwatches really? All my Swiss made eta are as smooth as can be. The same is true for the sw200 European watch I have. The San Martin sw200 I bought had the rotor turning when winding and still isn’t exactly smooth like the European one.
The pt5000 Chinese watches I have had have both had the sticking rotor. One was so bad the rotor was stuck and would only move in one direction when shaken or when you tried to move it with blue tack.
In Canadian funds they wanted 393 dollars for it on that link. Nope.
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Who's Beaker?
Lol, the muppet? Excellent!
That second hand needs to be white.
I agree totally!