Vince, you are the Secret Service Expert. Nobody likes to be reminded that they failed at their job and these guys were trying to discredit you to make themselves look better. I admire and respect you for sticking to your guns. Thanks.
If you mean the title, my native language is not English, but doesn't it mean more of "legend=(mythical) story, and less like for instance "I'm a legend, because I' m the best at my sport!"... greetings to you all
He was on the back bumper a few blocks back should’ve stayed have to hold onto handle Snipers knew car wouldn’t have people on bumper before going on expressway Strange because they could’ve gone down industrial blvd as a fallback route to trademark
you're around my age, vince so the fact that you weren't born when this event happened isn't your problem and being photographed in the company of LBJ and cheney doesn't endear anyone to me in the slightest but i have a hard time buying (thus is his legend)? that clint knew the first couple and participated in a murder this horrific. if he was closer to bad at his job than heroic that day due to scotch intake, i'm all in. otherwise...no. i do believe it was a conspiracy perhaps because i share a birthday with oswald and want to distance myself from him being the lone assasin. i do admire you and find much of what you bring up difficult to dismiss. keep showing the way indeed!
7:10-7:11 Hill didn't get there in less than two seconds. His speed is an artifact of frames being removed to speed up the limousine and conceal the fact agent Greer was pumping the brakes to help the shooters with their aim. Greer came to almost a complete stop at one point, some say a complete stop. That's why around Z350 Clint Hill's hands are contacting the limo ahead of the handhold he jumped for. Greer's pumping the brakes while Hill was mid-air jerked the limousine comparatively backward under Hill's leap itself so he comparatively ended up ahead of where he aimed his jump.
Boy the bullshit back then. Did the Secret Service realize that car was open and exposed they had no security around that car. And car did come to a stop.
Clint Hill I always feel was caught in between a rock & hard place. Keep his job & Keep his buddies jobs or turn out as 1 of the accident victims himself or his family members? He knew after it all this happened who & the power he would be going up against. If he did knew before hand he never ever would ran for the car to do his job. It’s called survivor for himself & his family. So he towed the official line. I could be wrong but watch his emotions at times during his interviews. He is scared to say the wrong thing accidentally he did slipped up a few times but he tries to control it. Only 1 person knows this & it’s Clint Hill. For the best of our nation I wish before his death he just tell us the real truth.
Guys and Vince, do you think Clint Hill could have been called off on Huston street? I also don't think the crowds were thinning out, even so they are for sure not small crowds.
I wish I got an award for completely & spectacularly failing to do my job like Clint Hill did 🙄 In fact, for outstanding Secret Service work, look no further than what Vince Palamara has done 👍
Many thanks for another great video, Vince. This false hero, Cint Hill, somehow got a gold medal despite his gross violation of agency policies that contributed to the murder of a US president. Hey Clint, perhaps if you hadn't been drinking alcoholic beverages hours before you were supposed to be protecting the boss, you might've had a legit chance to deal effectively with the unfolding chaos in the car BEFORE the final head shot(s). Just looking at the Ike Altgens photo of you just standing there on the sideboard while Jackie was reacting makes me physically ill.
I’d rather Vince had my back than Hill or Blane The balls to criticize your great body of work to rewrit your life’s greatest failure as heroic They’re afraid of you Vince If these guys had covered the president half as well as VP has covered this story - Kennedy might still be here How these guys looked in the mirror after not just their great failures but after their knowing participation in the lies in an attempt to cover their ass and rewrite history What a craven way to live your life Thanks again Vince
There is no doubt that the secret service performed poorly in Dealey Plaza. They reacted slowly, if at all, to the sound of the first shot. Paul Landis and Jack Ready even debated whether it was a shot or a firecracker before the second shot was fired. Clint Hill claims that the throat wound occurred on the first shot, which makes it seem as if he reacted instantaneously. I always thought that Hill actually heard the first shot, but like the others, he failed to react. He knew the throat wound happened on the second shot. The driver, Bill Greer, was most culpable. He failed to get out of the line of fire. Instead, he had to turn around and look back at the wounded President, not just once but twice. It took a face full of the President’s brains on the second look before he managed to step on the gas. By then it was too late. By taking his foot off the gas while he turned around, he gave the assassin an easier shot. Inexcusable. In the aftermath, people felt sorry for the secret servicemen. Most of them did not testify to the WC, and those who did, received kid gloves treatment. Their written recollections of the event are appalling in the lack of recall. They were caught daydreaming and weren’t even sure what happened, or they did not want to admit what happened. They go to great lengths to shorten the span between the first and third shot, some claiming that it was less than five seconds. There is reliable evidence that there were as many as 7-8 seconds between the first and second shot, but they thought it was just a backfire or a firecracker, so they did nothing.
No respect intended, what Mr Hill experienced that day was horrific and hard to comprehend but, as a person running between two moving vehicles, trying to keep the First Lady from falling off of the limo, is he a reliable as a witness to which direction the fatal head shot came from?
5:54 One gun? When Greer was working the brakes to slow the limo down, motorcycle cops B.J. Martin and Bobby Hargis were gaining on the limousine to the limo's left. You can most easily track their gaining positions and understand where they were in three-dimensional space by following the positions of the plexiglass windscreens. In any of the films or stills, and thus translate close to exact corresponding times from one photo source to the other. When we first see Clint Hill in Nix/Muchmore, he is even with the engine block of the Queen Mary because he has already jumped. To figure when that was, just count the frames until he is passing the front bumper, and take the same distance backwards in time equivalent frame counts. This puts him jumping from the Queen Mary at Z313, namely when Zapruder shows JFK massively hit in the head. Hill says he didn't hear the shot due to the ambient motorcycle noise. Clint Hill also says he heard a shot and was sprayed with large amounts of blood as he was about to leap and was 5 feet in back of the rear bumper of the presidential limousine. We know JFK's head was macro intact at the rear in Z342 as seen in Zapruder, but had a gouge highlighted by Jackie's white glove in frame Z343. So the timing of the shot that blasted out the back of his head is obvious. In those two frames Hill is about 2-3 feet from the rear bumper, so his estimate of 5 feet from the bumper in hectic circumstances is very close to exactly accurate, off by only a tenth of a second in time. Linda Willis and her parents in The Men Who Killed Kennedy are completely sure they saw a huge halo of red gush out the rear of JFK's head, with brain material in the center, yet we do not see this on Zapruder. The same fountain of blood sprayed all the way from Martin and Hargis to Sam Kinney's left arm as he drove the Queen Mary, across the Queen Mary windshield, massively across Clint Hill up closer, and some even onto the motorcycle cops on the right: Jackson and Chaney. Due to the multiple confirmatory sources, and the brain chunks Jackie retrieved from the trunk (which are also censored from Zapruder), it is clear Zapruder was massively tampered to cover up the visible blood and brains that jetted out rearward as embarrassing evidence. Because it flared to the rear and proved a shot from the front. All this adds up to a Z313 shot from the rear of JFK's head out obliquely at the right temple. Then a Z342/343 shot from the front into the right temple and out the rear where Z313 had entered 30 frames or 1.65 seconds earlier. Of course every other frame or so was removed to conceal Greer's slowdown, so the time difference was likely more like 3 seconds between the two shots. Operationally, it was an elegant deception to have the second shot retrace anatomically the path of the first, so there was only one big tunnel hole after the work of two shooters. The evident design was that after it was all over, the Deep State people would be able to claim it was either a shooter from the rear or a shooter from the front, since they didn't know in advance which snipers would manage to hit, or from which directions. Had things turned out a little differently, the Deep Staters might have framed the railyard bums for the assassination rather than Oswald from the rear. After all, the throat shot was obviously not intended as a throat shot, but was supposed to be a head shot and it (surprise!) bungled low and into the windshield then throat. Confirming the foregoing is the Mary Moorman photo. You can see from the position of Bobby Hargis's windscreen the Moorman photo was taken at Z316. Notice in quality copies the two inch hole at the top of JFK's occipital bone. This corresponds exactly to the bullet path from the Z286 shot seen in the Bethesda lateral x-rays. And yet the 4x4 inch hole in the back of JFK's head isn't there yet at Z316. Just more proof that the front-to-back major JFK head shot happened later. We know the Z286 shot was Z286 from that frame in Zapruder. It shows the shadow of Babushka Lady, and halfway along her shadow, above and to the left, is the two-inch chunk of JFK's skull and hair flying away. Blurry, but it wasn't there a frame before or a frame after.
6:30 The big hole at the rear of the head is the exit hole from Z342/343, not the entrance from Z313. 6:33 the exit at the right temple is the exit from Z313, which entered at the rear of JFK's head where Z342/343 later blasted out. 6:31-6:32 is the path of the Z313 bullet.
@@CatDaddySteve You have zero support for your one word objection. The big hole at the back of the head is not there on Mary Moorman at Z316. It happened later. And Z313 with the big hole at JFK's right temple had already happened by Mary Moorman and Z316. Both Bill Newman and Emory Roberts saw the big blowout out of JFK's right temple at Z313 as it happened (Newman from straight on, Roberts from the rear) so it was obviously a huge exit wound, like the later huge exit wound in the back of JFK's head.
It would be nice to get an explanation for the science behind how a video of a moving car which almost comes to a complete stop is doctored. I think this is important because if the car did allegedly come almost to a complete stop, before the final shot, as some witnesses stated, then why does the President‘s car appear to be moving at the same speed the entire time? That needs to be answered.
Apart from that I really believe he did not know about the plot beforehand and really did his best. Really like Clint Hill and have respect for him from what I have seen and read.
The cognitive dissonance is getting to him, but yes terrible acting. Even if he was completely innocent, why make a hero out of somebody who entered the situation after all the damage was already done. This element alone makes it highly sus. I wonder if Jackie ever knew about this duplicity... Or did she just play along in great fear. Poor woman.
1.) @05:23, Mr Hill is crying because he knows he's guilty of being part of JFK's assignation by not stopping it before it happened. 2.) The only reason Hill FINALLY sprung into action (after the fatal shot) was because he felt guilty for just standing there and felt bad for Jackie O freaking out on the back of the limo. 3.) Hill could have, and SHOULD HAVE ran from his car and onto JFK's limo and covered JFK the instant JFK began holding his neck in agony. 4.) Hill, and the rest of those Sneaky Service Agents, and especially limo driver William Greer, all have blood on their hands.
Another great video from you Vince. Keep showing the way. 👍
Vince, you are the Secret Service Expert. Nobody likes to be reminded that they failed at their job and these guys were trying to discredit you to make themselves look better. I admire and respect you for sticking to your guns. Thanks.
It is odd to me that someone who ran onto the Presidents Limo after his head was blown off, is somehow a "legend"
If you mean the title, my native language is not English, but doesn't it mean more of "legend=(mythical) story, and less like for instance "I'm a legend, because I' m the best at my sport!"... greetings to you all
He ran towards the danger to protect Jackie. Nobody else helped her.
He was on the back bumper a few blocks back should’ve stayed have to hold onto handle Snipers knew car wouldn’t have people on bumper before going on expressway Strange because they could’ve gone down industrial blvd as a fallback route to trademark
"Too easy to protect because he was assassinated." WHAT!?
this is superb. love the editing. Bravo!
outstanding video, Vince!
you're around my age, vince so the fact that you weren't born when this event happened isn't your problem and being photographed in the company of LBJ and cheney doesn't endear anyone to me in the slightest but i have a hard time buying (thus is his legend)? that clint knew the first couple and participated in a murder this horrific. if he was closer to bad at his job than heroic that day due to scotch intake, i'm all in. otherwise...no. i do believe it was a conspiracy perhaps because i share a birthday with oswald and want to distance myself from him being the lone assasin. i do admire you and find much of what you bring up difficult to dismiss. keep showing the way indeed!
7:10-7:11 Hill didn't get there in less than two seconds. His speed is an artifact of frames being removed to speed up the limousine and conceal the fact agent Greer was pumping the brakes to help the shooters with their aim. Greer came to almost a complete stop at one point, some say a complete stop. That's why around Z350 Clint Hill's hands are contacting the limo ahead of the handhold he jumped for. Greer's pumping the brakes while Hill was mid-air jerked the limousine comparatively backward under Hill's leap itself so he comparatively ended up ahead of where he aimed his jump.
excellent
Boy the bullshit back then. Did the Secret Service realize that car was open and exposed they had no security around that car. And car did come to a stop.
Clint Hill I always feel was caught in between a rock & hard place. Keep his job & Keep his buddies jobs or turn out as 1 of the accident victims himself or his family members? He knew after it all this happened who & the power he would be going up against. If he did knew before hand he never ever would ran for the car to do his job. It’s called survivor for himself & his family. So he towed the official line.
I could be wrong but watch his emotions at times during his interviews. He is scared to say the wrong thing accidentally he did slipped up a few times but he tries to control it.
Only 1 person knows this & it’s Clint Hill. For the best of our nation I wish before his death he just tell us the real truth.
The ONLY truth he has EVER told about 11/22/63 is where the hole was in Johns head
Excellent content as usual. Where on earth do you find this stuff?? Mind blowing.
Blaine: "This happened in less than 6 seconds after the President was hit in the throat." HIT in the throat!
Guys and Vince, do you think Clint Hill could have been called off on Huston street? I also don't think the crowds were thinning out, even so they are for sure not small crowds.
I wish I got an award for completely & spectacularly failing to do my job like Clint Hill did 🙄 In fact, for outstanding Secret Service work, look no further than what Vince Palamara has done 👍
Many thanks for another great video, Vince. This false hero, Cint Hill, somehow got a gold medal despite his gross violation of agency policies that contributed to the murder of a US president. Hey Clint, perhaps if you hadn't been drinking alcoholic beverages hours before you were supposed to be protecting the boss, you might've had a legit chance to deal effectively with the unfolding chaos in the car BEFORE the final head shot(s). Just looking at the Ike Altgens photo of you just standing there on the sideboard while Jackie was reacting makes me physically ill.
I’d rather Vince had my back than Hill or Blane
The balls to criticize your great body of work to rewrit your life’s greatest failure as heroic
They’re afraid of you Vince If these guys had covered the president half as well as VP has covered this story - Kennedy might still be here
How these guys looked in the mirror after not just their great failures but after their knowing participation in the lies in an attempt to cover their ass and rewrite history
What a craven way to live your life
Thanks again Vince
You're out of your mind, he's a big fat soft nerd. He would face off against these men in real life.
There is no doubt that the secret service performed poorly in Dealey Plaza. They reacted slowly, if at all, to the sound of the first shot. Paul Landis and Jack Ready even debated whether it was a shot or a firecracker before the second shot was fired. Clint Hill claims that the throat wound occurred on the first shot, which makes it seem as if he reacted instantaneously. I always thought that Hill actually heard the first shot, but like the others, he failed to react. He knew the throat wound happened on the second shot. The driver, Bill Greer, was most culpable. He failed to get out of the line of fire. Instead, he had to turn around and look back at the wounded President, not just once but twice. It took a face full of the President’s brains on the second look before he managed to step on the gas. By then it was too late. By taking his foot off the gas while he turned around, he gave the assassin an easier shot. Inexcusable. In the aftermath, people felt sorry for the secret servicemen. Most of them did not testify to the WC, and those who did, received kid gloves treatment. Their written recollections of the event are appalling in the lack of recall. They were caught daydreaming and weren’t even sure what happened, or they did not want to admit what happened. They go to great lengths to shorten the span between the first and third shot, some claiming that it was less than five seconds. There is reliable evidence that there were as many as 7-8 seconds between the first and second shot, but they thought it was just a backfire or a firecracker, so they did nothing.
No respect intended, what Mr Hill experienced that day was horrific and hard to comprehend but, as a person running between two moving vehicles, trying to keep the First Lady from falling off of the limo, is he a reliable as a witness to which direction the fatal head shot came from?
That Hill is so full of bs.
Cut Clint some slack - he was probably still ripped drunk from the night before.
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Vince can't really be an expert. Because he's rarely BAFFLED!
OK Viince I will bite - is there any relation between Jerry and Clint Hill?
5:54 One gun? When Greer was working the brakes to slow the limo down, motorcycle cops B.J. Martin and Bobby Hargis were gaining on the limousine to the limo's left. You can most easily track their gaining positions and understand where they were in three-dimensional space by following the positions of the plexiglass windscreens. In any of the films or stills, and thus translate close to exact corresponding times from one photo source to the other.
When we first see Clint Hill in Nix/Muchmore, he is even with the engine block of the Queen Mary because he has already jumped. To figure when that was, just count the frames until he is passing the front bumper, and take the same distance backwards in time equivalent frame counts. This puts him jumping from the Queen Mary at Z313, namely when Zapruder shows JFK massively hit in the head. Hill says he didn't hear the shot due to the ambient motorcycle noise. Clint Hill also says he heard a shot and was sprayed with large amounts of blood as he was about to leap and was 5 feet in back of the rear bumper of the presidential limousine. We know JFK's head was macro intact at the rear in Z342 as seen in Zapruder, but had a gouge highlighted by Jackie's white glove in frame Z343. So the timing of the shot that blasted out the back of his head is obvious. In those two frames Hill is about 2-3 feet from the rear bumper, so his estimate of 5 feet from the bumper in hectic circumstances is very close to exactly accurate, off by only a tenth of a second in time.
Linda Willis and her parents in The Men Who Killed Kennedy are completely sure they saw a huge halo of red gush out the rear of JFK's head, with brain material in the center, yet we do not see this on Zapruder. The same fountain of blood sprayed all the way from Martin and Hargis to Sam Kinney's left arm as he drove the Queen Mary, across the Queen Mary windshield, massively across Clint Hill up closer, and some even onto the motorcycle cops on the right: Jackson and Chaney. Due to the multiple confirmatory sources, and the brain chunks Jackie retrieved from the trunk (which are also censored from Zapruder), it is clear Zapruder was massively tampered to cover up the visible blood and brains that jetted out rearward as embarrassing evidence. Because it flared to the rear and proved a shot from the front.
All this adds up to a Z313 shot from the rear of JFK's head out obliquely at the right temple. Then a Z342/343 shot from the front into the right temple and out the rear where Z313 had entered 30 frames or 1.65 seconds earlier. Of course every other frame or so was removed to conceal Greer's slowdown, so the time difference was likely more like 3 seconds between the two shots. Operationally, it was an elegant deception to have the second shot retrace anatomically the path of the first, so there was only one big tunnel hole after the work of two shooters. The evident design was that after it was all over, the Deep State people would be able to claim it was either a shooter from the rear or a shooter from the front, since they didn't know in advance which snipers would manage to hit, or from which directions. Had things turned out a little differently, the Deep Staters might have framed the railyard bums for the assassination rather than Oswald from the rear. After all, the throat shot was obviously not intended as a throat shot, but was supposed to be a head shot and it (surprise!) bungled low and into the windshield then throat.
Confirming the foregoing is the Mary Moorman photo. You can see from the position of Bobby Hargis's windscreen the Moorman photo was taken at Z316. Notice in quality copies the two inch hole at the top of JFK's occipital bone. This corresponds exactly to the bullet path from the Z286 shot seen in the Bethesda lateral x-rays. And yet the 4x4 inch hole in the back of JFK's head isn't there yet at Z316. Just more proof that the front-to-back major JFK head shot happened later. We know the Z286 shot was Z286 from that frame in Zapruder. It shows the shadow of Babushka Lady, and halfway along her shadow, above and to the left, is the two-inch chunk of JFK's skull and hair flying away. Blurry, but it wasn't there a frame before or a frame after.
that f****r knew what was going down!
You have no evidence to support that. You look very stupid by just saying it without support.
6:30 The big hole at the rear of the head is the exit hole from Z342/343, not the entrance from Z313. 6:33 the exit at the right temple is the exit from Z313, which entered at the rear of JFK's head where Z342/343 later blasted out. 6:31-6:32 is the path of the Z313 bullet.
Nope
@@CatDaddySteve You have zero support for your one word objection. The big hole at the back of the head is not there on Mary Moorman at Z316. It happened later. And Z313 with the big hole at JFK's right temple had already happened by Mary Moorman and Z316. Both Bill Newman and Emory Roberts saw the big blowout out of JFK's right temple at Z313 as it happened (Newman from straight on, Roberts from the rear) so it was obviously a huge exit wound, like the later huge exit wound in the back of JFK's head.
@@CatDaddySteve The physical evidence proves you wrong. Z313 didn't put a big hole in the back of JFK's head, as Mary Moorman proves.
It would be nice to get an explanation for the science behind how a video of a moving car which almost comes to a complete stop is doctored. I think this is important because if the car did allegedly come almost to a complete stop, before the final shot, as some witnesses stated, then why does the President‘s car appear to be moving at the same speed the entire time? That needs to be answered.
Yeah,ddr
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Apart from that I really believe he did not know about the plot beforehand and really did his best. Really like Clint Hill and have respect for him from what I have seen and read.
I think I saw Clint Hill last night - lying as usually
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@ around 8:00: Clint Hill is a horrifically bad actor!
The cognitive dissonance is getting to him, but yes terrible acting. Even if he was completely innocent, why make a hero out of somebody who entered the situation after all the damage was already done. This element alone makes it highly sus. I wonder if Jackie ever knew about this duplicity... Or did she just play along in great fear. Poor woman.
An abject liar and seemingly, not a great guy
clint hill is an average actor 🤣🤣.
1.) @05:23, Mr Hill is crying because he knows he's guilty of being part of JFK's assignation by not stopping it before it happened.
2.) The only reason Hill FINALLY sprung into action (after the fatal shot) was because he felt guilty for just standing there and felt bad for Jackie O freaking out on the back of the limo.
3.) Hill could have, and SHOULD HAVE ran from his car and onto JFK's limo and covered JFK the instant JFK began holding his neck in agony.
4.) Hill, and the rest of those Sneaky Service Agents, and especially limo driver William Greer, all have blood on their hands.