Christian Nationalism only worked (and will only ever work) in America on the backbone of a strong Mainline hegemony. Evangelicalism has failed and will continue to fail at filling the void -- they're not civilizationally oriented enough; and far too individualistic due to radical pietism.
@@alexdunholse6529 Ethnic churches (like the LCMS, the CRCNA, most historic Black denominations) tend to awkwardly straddle the middle between evangelical/mainline due to being united as much by common family ties as common theology/practice -- it might be frustrating to us, but it's what RZ was addressing in the video, we can very easily jump to, "well they're Lutheran/xyz in-name-only because they're liberal on doctrine," and to a large extent that's true... unless you also factor in participatory/sociological/civilational elements to religious identity and not solely reduce it to propositional purity (however important). That's the line we have to walk to avoid on the one hand doctrinal indifferentism, and on the other hand a heresy-hunting anti-civilizational form of fundamentalism which cannot found the basis of society.
Really? If so, then why is Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, and some ex-Christendom are the most secular people in the world? You didn't examine anything. You are just stating things you have no expertise in or even thought about.
@@thomasc9036 Read carefully. A "strong" mainline hegemony. You need civilizational orientation (institution-building rather than grass-roots entrepreneurialism) -- you also need robust faith.
@@vngelicath1580 Read carefully yourself and answer questions. If Evangelicalism failed, then how come those who still believe in historical Christianity are Evangelicals instead of LGBTQ+ mainliners.
@@NoobToobJamarMemes Someone who is tall (which would be at least 5'6 or 5'7 as that is above average for a woman, at least in the United States) and has an angular face and high cheekbones. That's a good way to attempt to break the cycle and have tall, beautiful children.
Sorry about the overlapping audio. Also credits to my friend Young Anglican for thinking of this participatory/propositional approach to belonging to religious traditions
@@alexwr Latin is a tradictional and beautiful language that represents the early church and we wish that latin would be used more because tradition makes people want to go to church but using latin doesnt mean youre saved
Calling it now, every single comment under this video will be Catholics arguing with Protestants about who's right, with the random Eastern Orthodox man saying that they are both wrong.
Thankfully, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod has managed to remain both Evangelical and Mainline. The ELCA is bigger than us, but the LCMS comes directly from the continent and is even in communion with the Old Lutheran church (the remaining conservatives of Germany), so we trace our line right back to the Reformation. Fellow Christians, please pray for us that we are able to keep Godly practice at large in our denomination! God has blessed us greatly, but we must pray that we stay faithful.
The ACNA as well I feel is still pretty mainline and conservative, since it was one of the first conservative offshoot denominations. Many former episcopal churches converted to the ACNA, but unfortunately not all have been successful. Judges who don’t value the first amendment’s freedom of religion have unfortunately chosen to side with the Episcopal church and forced them to stay. There’s a reason the Catholic Church is looking into recognizing communion with them. Pray for us as well and that we stay this way
All those beautiful cathedrals and basilicas across Europe are empty. My church is bland and ugly. I go there to praise the Lord. Our money goes to missions and caring for handicapped orphans. We have a community and actively pray for one another. Sorry we suck. My Ethiopian friend's church plants across Ethiopia are literally sticks, tarps, patio chairs, and a karaoke machine. God doesn't care. He has their hearts. That is what he requires.
@@MRBosnoyan Amen dude. Whats the name of ur church? Im gonna donate (Based on the fact that its in Ethiopia thats probably all I can do lol) Plus the Across the Universe cover is awesome. One of the best i've ever heard. You and your friend have AMAZING voices. I'm a huge Beatles fan. Just wanted to leave a verse too Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. James 1:27 ESV Ppl like u and ur friend are the real heroes of the faith.
I'm a sinner like the rest of us. I pray daily for Gods forgiveness and for his love and guidance and the transformation of my heart. Look up Strong Hearts Ethiopia. My brother in Christ Getinet has a kindergarten for street kids, takes care of single mothers, orphans, and plants churches. My church is in Japan. It's called Living Way Shizuoka. The pastor used to foster orphans. Now he is too old so just takes care of 4 children with down syndrome. We have families and partners in India and Indonesia. Japan does not have a lot of children but there are plenty of widows. Might have to pivot towards helping the elderly.
@@MRBosnoyan Exactly. I don’t care how beautiful a mainline church is if they preach that the Bible isn’t inerrant, and performs gay “marriages”, then it’s ugly. A ramshackle building where they preach the gospel is beautiful in comparison.
The best example that I can think of of Protestants actually having beautiful buildings is like the Lutherans. They're very similar to Catholics that way especially the older Lutheran churches
@@DrGero15some have pride flags but that isn’t really common outside major metro areas. Also greatly depends on the Synod and Bishop. Sierra Pacific Synod and NE Minnesota Synod are like 2 different Lutheran denominations.
@@DrGero15 that pastors Bishop denounced the action but I don’t know much more because the bishops of the ELCA are very weak. I didn’t notice that pastor do the sparkle creed again this year when watching it so she probably got a talking too. I know my bishop and she wouldn’t welcome a pastor like that to our Synod but bishops also have few powers to enforce many rules. This is good for conservative congregations under liberal bishops which can be quite common but not good for conservative bishops trying to deal with someone who denies the denominations essentials.
My only problem with the LCMS is (A) some don’t do communion every week - way too much evangelical influence there - and (B) weird obsession about creationism, even though polls show a majority of its members accept evolution.
@@gumbyshrimp2606 There is so much precedence in church history to not take Genesis literally. There is SO much evidence for evolution; it’s clear natural revelation. God doesn’t deceive.
As a Catholic, I genuinely don't understand what the issue is here. It seems like a natural outgrowth of the Reformation. Your denominations prioritized personal biblical interpretation over the unity and traditions of the Church. So naturally, any time there's a major disagreement on biblical interpretations you will all end up dividing again into yet more denominations. Catholics may not agree on every point with the Eastern or Oriental Orthodox, but I can respect the fact that like us, they embrace both the participation in Church tradition, and the faithful embracing of dogma asserted through our Creeds.
Having known many people who go there, a questionI sometimes ask is "What did you learn about Christ at church?" I usually don't actually get an answer, often just silence
If anyone here is in North Texas and looking for a 160-year-old church that is highly traditional in worship with orthodox evangelical preaching from the pulpit, come visit us at First United Methodist Church in Decatur, TX.
You still miss the point, the essence of evangelicalism is that they are opposed to ritualism and formality, they have ugly churches because their theology requires it. Beautiful churches is one of the things evangelicalism was created to oppose.
Okay I thought you were gonna make the same video for the fifth time but this is an actually convincing argument for traditional liturgy and architecture instead of your earlier articulations of this where you didn’t make much of an argument. This is a good video
As someone who attends one of the nicer PCA Churches, often I gaze at the ceiling or at the stained glass. That has made me understood more fully why buildings actually matter.
I was excited to find an ACNA church near me (the Episcopal Church where I'd spent decades, where my children were baptized, had sunk so deeply into heresy and wokeness as to become unattendable) but, at least in that location, the ACNA was not the answer. It wasn't really Anglican. The rector was adult-onset Anglican, a young man who'd grown up in a completely different tradition and the liturgy and teachings reflected that. Most of my fellow congregants were coming over from non-denominational churches and the rector tried to accommodate that by mixing traditional Anglican liturgy with familiar (for them) modern touches. The music was awful, the proceedings loud and sloppy, at least by traditional Anglican standards. Also, the services, being basically two-in-one, were twice as long. I think my experience there is a strong argument for Zoomer's Reconquista. Entities like the ACNA can be in such a hurry to expand that they bring in clergy from outside the tradition and the result is kind of a mess.
@@memeboi6017 pretty much so, that was one example. I seriously would love to go to a mainline Protestant historical church but I can’t understand going to a place with wrong theology and a watered down gospel for the sake of keeping tradition and beauty. But at least one of the Presbyterian churches he has put on the map seems to be ok (the institution isn’t, performs gay marriage), I haven’t had the chance to go to a service yet but they partner up with my church a lot.
@@PantalonRouge No it’s just that I am neutral on egalitarianism, both sides have good points but it ultimately is not a key issue, properly administrating the sacrament is more important. The preacher is secondary.
@@PantalonRouge I suppose one could say I am egalitarian because I’m not against the practice, but I am not for it either. On this issue I basically don’t have an opinion, both sides have good points. For me, word and sacrament matter more
I would define mainline Protestantism as being the most historic, ecumenical, and big tent mainstream parts of their traditions where I would define the evangelicals more by trying to be absolutely pure in theology. Ecumenical=/= Liberal but churches that are more ecumenical and big tent happen to be more liberal because participatory. I’m a Lutheran, a traditional Lutheran, and I go to an ELCA church. The Lutheran tradition is big and with many angles to it and the Lutherans are historically quite ecumenical. I’d say the goal of Reconquesta is bring the mainline denominations back into the orthodoxy of our traditions within this big tent ecumenical framework. We shouldn’t be marrying couples in an unbiblical relationship for example. Edit: participatory is probably another good word rather than just ecumenical.
Personally, my problem is not even if the church is beautiful, is much more about evangelical theology, i think that without it, good building's will come in a matter of time, but with such simplistic and ignorant interpretations, is almost impossible
@@alexwr No, I have just heard the excuse that traditional worship cannot be achieved due to lack of funds. If used right an acoustic guitar is equally reverent. I want to see a place use both at once.
Its very interesting how traditions develop. Even in the contemporary evangelical movement we can see it. back in the 90's and early 2000's contemporary worship music was trying to sound like the pop/rock bands that were popular. In the 2000's the radiohead/coldplay inspired ambient rock thing was really popular, and worship music adopted that style, leaving behind the jangly folk rock sound it had form the 70's through the 90's. As tastes changed so did the music. But now something interesting has happened. The ambient rock thing isn't popular any more (at least not as much), but worship music is still doing it. As a result, contemporary worship music is beginning to move away from just copying what is popular and beginning to iterate and develop its own style. I think they have noticed that the ambient rock of the 00's is more suitable for sacred music than the pop of the day. It feels like we are at the beginning of a new tradition of sacred music. Its just too bad it started by repudiating everything that came before.
Affording maintenance and upkeep of a more traditional style or older church is no small thing. There's going to maintenance costs and everything else that comes with a property and they'll have limited funds available to them for upkeep.
As a lifelong Catholic who has recently become more engaged with the faith, I've noticed that many Protestant churches and groups seem to exhibit a worldly outlook. Despite this, I believe these Protestant communities often act as pipelines, guiding people towards the Catholic Church. I shared this "pipeline theory" with a new Catholic friend, who initially scoffed. He mentioned that the Baptist church was instrumental in his journey to Catholicism, to which I pointed out that Baptists are, in fact, Protestants. I have a deep love for scripture, which is a key reason why I appreciate Protestants and their teachings. Could you help me elaborate further on the worldly aspects of modern Protestant churches and how they might lead individuals towards Catholicism? With love and respect
Catholicism and Orthodoxy are more based in countries that the majority of the population are protestants. Here in Brazil (a catholic country) is quite the opposite. We have some crazy Catholic priests and a LOT of syncretism, while the protestants churches are quite strong. Brazil is slowly becoming a protestant country. I'm a member of the mainline Presbyterian Church, which has kept conservative through its 200 years of history. We are living an inversion. Protestantism is failing in protestant countries and people are converting to Catholicism and Orthodoxy and Catholicism is failing in Catholic countries, and people are becoming Protestant.
idk if you read comments, but if you do, I think it would be cool if you had a conversation with Christian Blue about non-denominationalism. I always like your conversation videos
Friendly reminder that the early Church met in houses or any other space they could find where they hopefully wouldn't be harassed or arrested by the authorities.
I think just lacking the style and tradition in its buildings isnt the only problem with evangelical churches. I think as an offshoot of mailine churches that became overly liberal, evangelical churches as counter response to that overcorrected too much and became overly conservative which could be as bad. As a conservative myself i think you must find the "golden middle" and here would be the real truth and being either too conservative or too liberal will lead to same bad stuff
you should do a video where you ask each town to vote on their favorite church in that town, and then make a video reviewing each town’s elected church
Thr non denominational church I attend currently defies your criticism at the end simply by exisisting. They do outreach and church planting in Alaska and volunteer to help via Impact Alaska every year and this last year they had help from a different church and they focused their efforts downtown in Deleny Park, but then again, Anchorage does not follow the unspoken rules your observations have confirmed with in your area. You are also not the first, not will be the last person, regardless of beliefs to experience this strange phenomenon, yet completely normal in a multi cultural tiny packed city where things change on the fly and social statuses are in constant interaction with each other regardless of what the human sees outwardly and sometimes what is absurd to the outsider it quite normal or larger cities in Alaska, but it is not always gray, there is black and white unspoken observable rules that Anchorage may have yet have in common with the place you live in. And Anchorage is certainly NOT the only place like this. Also the non denominational church I attended is a Chain church. I call it a chain church bacuse the have more than one location under the same same except for the name of the location. Not to be confused with the heavy cult vibes chain chain church that won't claim any denominational title. They just call themselves a church.
Similar experience here bro. RZ really dislikes non denoms for some reason. Don't know why some people insist on "my denomination is right cuz of history" when 90% of the congregation believes God is a trans woman.
My church is a reformed baptist church(I’m so close to Presbyterianism. I’m reformed, have plenty of really solid believers who are Presbyterian, and I love the idea of the presbytery. But I’m credobaptist so womp womp). My church congregation is what I would call a smallish one. Our building is alright, but we are gaining traction and getting many new people, and we’re getting jam packed on Sundays. We’ve been looking at some new, bigger buildings to get, but I must say, the nice and traditional looking churches are absurdly expensive nowadays. Maybe there should be a church price reformation😂.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 sorry, I forgot to mention I’m part Scottish, have a brother named Calvin, and hope to move to Knoxville next year. That’s what I call a Presbyterian at first glance😎.
I got lucky with the baptist church i started attending in that it is historic and has been around for over a hundred years and I what would consider a beautiful historic building, but with modern interior, (coushined seats, a modern stage with microphones, instruments, and speakers, a dual projection screen and even a rather sophisticated online service for those who cant make it in person. Also at one time (not sure if it still is) but they atleast had the largest church library in this region of the canada. Also the pastor actually teaches about theology and traditional values.
I object to your admonishment of PCA or other evangelical churches not wanting to or not being able to secure and maintain a traditionally styled edifice. My church (URCNA) is trying to rehab an old (1840's) building right now. We have been quoted seven figures for comprehensive repair on a 200 seat worship space that was last refurbished in the 1970's. It will likely be a decade or two before the full renovation schedule is complete. Most evangelical churches do not have the budget or denominational support for such undertakings. Even we acknowledge it is a considerable task and if God does not build the house the laborers labor in vain. It's not that we don't want to retain the traditional spaces and our denominational heritage; it is that evangelicals have emphasized orientation of our hearts and spirits over material possession that those who demonstrate a lack of real faith grant or deny access to. If God blesses his people with the ability to build and maintain a beautiful church edifice, then may he be praised. If not, then it is clear that he wishes his people to wander in the wilderness for a bit longer, so let us pray that God will continue to provide for us, direct our path, and keep us away from the wolves in sheep's clothing. It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all... What should it profit a man if he should gain the world and lose his soul?
Brother, thanks for this video. A question for you - have you ever heard of the book, "A Man Called Peter" by Catherine Marshall? It is the story of a man who came from Scotland in the 1920s and trained in the Presbyterian Church seminary. He would eventually become pastor of the New York Ave. Presbyterian Church in Washington, DC. Under his preaching and teaching (in the late 1930s through the 1940s), the church could not contain all the people that wanted to attend. It's one of my all time favorite books and worth a read for sure!
I wouldn't jump too hard on a church turning down a beautiful building on the grounds of it being too much to keep up. There are 4 beautiful church buildings near me (2 former SBC built in the 60s, one former UMC built in 1905, one former PCUSA built in 1923) that were all sold at steep discounts 20-30 years ago (one congregation moved to a larger building, the other congregations dissolved) and they are all falling apart because the current congregations don't have the funds to keep up on the maintenance.
Has anyone else noticed in their town that the big beautiful mainline churches now no longer even have traditional worship?! All of the options anywhere near us the worship is now contemporary😩.
tbf though, my local pentecostal church is PACKED every sunday morning and wednesday evening, while i’m pretty sure my anglican church may or may not be abandoned, i cannot tell.
I attend a CoG near my college and it's packed for both Sunday morning services. Yes, they have two plus an evening service. They're expanding into a larger building once it's finished. I grew up and am Pentecostal Holiness, and the PH churches I've attended over the years always had decent to amazing attendance.
To be fair to the LARPers, it can be quite difficult to even find a conservative, liturgical church depending on where you live and moving to a different town or driving 4 hours every Sunday isn't always possible for a number of reasons.
With Eastern Orthodoxy you always get BOTH! Proper teachings and beauty. BTW, I am no "larper"! I'm not even an American. We have been Orthodox for a thousand years 🇷🇸 My ancestors even managed to keep their faith intact under one of the staunchest Roman Catholic dynasties of Early modern Europe.
One thing Mainliners are correct on? Some of these evangelical offshoots have “separated from the vine.” Just look at how much of Presbyterian tradition the PCA has abandoned … it’s no worse (just different) than liberals in the PCUSA. Except the PCUSA has at least preserved the tradition and infrastructure, to one day be restored, at least in theory. In 50 years, the PCA will be as “Presbyterian” as the Evangelical Free Church is “Lutheran.”
I’m non-denominational and have been visiting different churches, but I’m probably going to join the Lcms. Tired of hearing about Zionism and having to worry if the church I’m attending is even trinitarian.
@@jvoges honestly the way he spoke in this video suggests he’s going that way. He says the Catholic Churches everywhere maintain the same theology and the same practices. It’s almost as if it all goes back to 33AD.
I’m an Anglican but I’m also in the military and I’m going to be stationed in Japan for 3-4 years soon and it’ll be very difficult for me to find an ACNA church there, or really any Anglican/Episcopalian churches. My options are basically Catholic, Baptist, maybe non-denom, MAYBE Orthodox. I’ll still be an Anglican I just won’t be able to participate
Personally, I don't believe in separating aesthetics from doctrine. Beauty is inherent in Orthodox and Catholic doctrine since beauty is a transcendental that points to God. Beauty uplifts our spirits. We are not materialists, so we understand that we are not only material beings. Beauty is actually important, I would even argue that it is primary. The material world is good, and beauty is made manifest in material reality. Beauty itself is not material, but it manifests itself in the material world.
Incidentally, I did visit a PCUSA church earlier this year and asked the pastor, "so Presbyterianism is based on the teachings of John Calvin, right?" And his answer was along the lines of, "sort of, but we've also moved beyond that, and now our main focus is on inclusion." The church building was beautiful, though, and so was the music.
I wonder if we can see this participatory/propositional dynamic in the church in the Bible? (maybe in Acts?) This concept has definitely intrigued me and I want to explore it further
“We should leave Rome because of indulgences, but we shouldn’t leave mainline churches even though there are female pastors and bishops who defend homosexuality”
Read Wylie's History of Protestantism, D'Aubigné's History of the Reformation, or Foxe's Book of Martyrs. The Roman Catholic Church was actively hunting down and massacring anyone who dared to accept Protestantism or even to read the Bible for themselves in their own language. Look up the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, and how the Pope responded to the news. Look up how the Reformed believers were treated in the Netherlands by King Philip II of Spain. The 16th century Papacy was doing the devil's work by persecuting God's people. There's no possible way any believer in Protestantism could have stayed in communion with Rome under those circumstances.
As an Anglican a lot of people in my evangelical church that I'm planning on leaving for a mainline church keep saying that Anglicanism has always taken in traditions from other churches and while there may be some truth to that it feels like my church is saying that to justify getting rid of all the traditions people actually associate with Anglicanism in favour of going down a more charismatic route.
Literally all 3 Protestant churches I go to use to be other businesses that are not in use and bought on the cheap so the churches took the money not spent on building giant fancy things and spent money on poor people and missionaries. Don't be confused. Fancy big buildings are for us not for God.
Your definition of mainline and evangelical more aligns the LCMS with mainline than evangelical. The LCMS does place a lot of emphasis on the propositions, but most LCMS churches hold to the historical, liturgical traditions. You want to make the PCUSA more like the LCMS. Good luck!
I'm in a strange situation where I do attend a mainline church (CofE), but it has very evangelical tendencies like CCM, it's definitely more propositional here
I used to attend a former Southern Baptist Church that had a large stained glass green cross in it and it looks like a more formal church, not beautiful like yours potentially, but it is not a modern design, though the pastor that was there when I had attended stated multiple times that the church is the people. The congregation, not the building in a church, because in Anchorage, any building with avaliable space can be used for church services. Now, if you want something more grand like they used to have, there is some of that but, again it is not always to black and white. Location does matter and materials avaliable do matter when it comes to the building, so it will HIGHLY be that the outer building of the church will not be as traditional as you strongly debate for. That being said, I walked by Hana Methodist Koren church in anchorage yesterday, and it literally on the outside looks like someone nice house turned church. I wanter if the pastor lives there? That's a traditional habit is it? The other Methodist church downtown across from Delany park, is more not too snappy traditional style, but they have a Lady pastor since 2018 apparently sooo. Then the Seventh Day Adventist church that is also near Delaney Park is, idk how traditional it is. It's like traditional meets 70 arcatextre, but they planted other SDA churches (I believe they are the same denomination) for other ethnicities.
The reason evangelicals are more likely to have CCM is because the evangelical approach is more outward looking. It is looking attractive people in so they can be converted. Therefore, if they look more contemporary, it can help reduce the in-built barriers many have about coming to church. Sometimes, I think it goes too far. I get annoyed with my church's whole hearted embrace of CCM, but I know that only hymns gives off a stifling atmosphere that can turn prospective concerts off. I think there is a compromise that can and should be made.
Hey Redeemed Zoomer. Could you do a video about fasting? Im currently in a 7 day fast and it has affected my relationship with my mother. I'm hoping to get some answers from the best christian channel. 🙏
I love oatmeal and a great society of friends. 😜Jokes aside, I have massive respect for them. Amazing Christians who were super important in the abolitionist movement.
Participation in a historic church institution does not matter on basically any level. The whole point of protestantism is how being part of the mainstream institution is not nearly as important as preserving the truth and purity of the Gospel, and I truly think that it's the participatory attitude toward church that the mainline protestant denominations have that caused them to drift in a liberal direction. I place the blame not on the conservatives who left, but on the conservatives who tolerated theologically liberal members for the sake of preserving the community of their denominations. Heresey is heresey and it must be dealt with, not allowed to fester. This is why I am a Baptist non denom, because we actually put emphasis on the salvation of our members. I hope the historic protestant denominations do not fall into this same mistake again. They have a rich history and I am sad to see them fall, but I know that even if they die completely then we Baptists and non denoms will still be here to proclaim the Gospel to a generation without the delusion that being a Christian means going to church
@@auggieeasteregg2150 That is not the “whole point” of Protestantism. Maybe that’s what you guys make it about at your evangelical auditorium LARPing as a Protestant church.
@@fighterofthenightman1057 As opposed to a church that made everything about the magisterial authority of the pope, it is the underlying assumption of protestantism, that truth is more important than the institution. That's why the churches stuck with the five solas. The protestant reformation didn't invent anything new, they just took the biblical beliefs that were present in the church and put them above the church's authority. That's why they were kicked out. If you have no better argument than "bIg ChUrCh bAd" then kindly leave this to people of deeper penetration
I like that Lutheranism doesn’t have evangelical branches (Pietists left our tradition and do not count). You have Mainline (ELCA, LCMC) and Confessional (LCMS, AALC, etc.). Both have largely maintained our traditions and liturgy. As someone who actively attends a great ELCA church that is very high church and traditional, the online image of the ELCA as overly liberal is really overhyped.
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu no , i remember subscribing him for his videos about god/science and other crazy stuff . Although i dont have any problem with Minecraft too
Over the past few months I've seen signs of otherworldly things happening in these videos. It first popped up on my radar in one of his Q&As. Where when he was answering a question about the Nephilim, and "something went wrong" and it was cut out. Next he made a video about the nephilim. But the audio "had a problem" and he was mutes. What was he trying to say? The video was removed later. (I think it may be back now). From then till today i have seen signs and visions. Robotic noises, odd video topics, gnostic falmer dreams. But today, in this video, right before the 4 minute mark, there were two of him. I've had the theory that he has been replaced by a nephilim for a while, but now with the confirmation that there are 2 Zoomers, this seems very possible. There are still many questions about the theory. Are the enemies? Are they working together? Does Nephilim Zoomer have Redeemed Zoomer in captivity? Will we ever know what is going on? And who really ARE the Nephilim?
Dude - I can't tell if you're joking or not, but there's just a running joke on my channel where I never give my opinion on the Nephilim cuz the audio cuts out or something. I posted that Nephilim video on April fools. The "two voices" thing from today's video was an editing mistake on my part lol
@@redeemedzoomer6053 ah I see. A "running joke" where the audio "cuts out" and you had an "editing mistake" where two of you playing "Minecraft" at "the" same time. I know what you're up to nephilim zoomer
Christian Nationalism only worked (and will only ever work) in America on the backbone of a strong Mainline hegemony. Evangelicalism has failed and will continue to fail at filling the void -- they're not civilizationally oriented enough; and far too individualistic due to radical pietism.
Thus why I'm Lutheran (besides the correct theology part.) Basically, the only group where the mainline is actually conservative.
@@alexdunholse6529 Ethnic churches (like the LCMS, the CRCNA, most historic Black denominations) tend to awkwardly straddle the middle between evangelical/mainline due to being united as much by common family ties as common theology/practice -- it might be frustrating to us, but it's what RZ was addressing in the video, we can very easily jump to, "well they're Lutheran/xyz in-name-only because they're liberal on doctrine," and to a large extent that's true... unless you also factor in participatory/sociological/civilational elements to religious identity and not solely reduce it to propositional purity (however important). That's the line we have to walk to avoid on the one hand doctrinal indifferentism, and on the other hand a heresy-hunting anti-civilizational form of fundamentalism which cannot found the basis of society.
Really? If so, then why is Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, and some ex-Christendom are the most secular people in the world? You didn't examine anything. You are just stating things you have no expertise in or even thought about.
@@thomasc9036 Read carefully. A "strong" mainline hegemony. You need civilizational orientation (institution-building rather than grass-roots entrepreneurialism) -- you also need robust faith.
@@vngelicath1580 Read carefully yourself and answer questions. If Evangelicalism failed, then how come those who still believe in historical Christianity are Evangelicals instead of LGBTQ+ mainliners.
Im conservative but ugly so i relate.
@@friendlyolbum I don’t even really understand this but somehow it made me laugh.
Marry a beautiful spouse so your kids have a shot at being normal looking then 😂
@@NoobToobJamarMemes Someone who is tall (which would be at least 5'6 or 5'7 as that is above average for a woman, at least in the United States) and has an angular face and high cheekbones. That's a good way to attempt to break the cycle and have tall, beautiful children.
@christsavesreadromans1096 haha thanks man, but I have too many disagreements with the dogma
Amen brother
Sorry about the overlapping audio. Also credits to my friend Young Anglican for thinking of this participatory/propositional approach to belonging to religious traditions
@@redeemedzoomer6053 love young anglican
@@JoWilliams-ud4euI hope to one day be as smart as him but I never will
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu me too
@@redeemedzoomer6053 🥲
I know why that happened "Redeemed Zoomer"
“The same way the average french person-if you can call french _people_ …”
-Redeemed Zoomer 2024
the french hate is pretty stupid
I'm french and I found that funny
@@themiband0598but you're right
wait until he finds out where john calvin is from
That's right coming from a Yankee
3:56 the Evil Redeemed Zoomer cloned escaped containment for a little
lol
It's the nephilim zoomer
Glad to hear it wasn’t just me
Unredeemed boomer
@@shawnroy7806real, his view on the nephilim is crazy
RZ’s Minecraft house be looking like an evangelical church plant 😂
That's the point.
The older I get the more I want a traditional church but especially traditional hymns. The Rock concerts got to go
Yeah it is sad that almost every catholic and protestant church plays rock music in english instead of singing in latin
Yep, it was a cringe phase that began with the Boomers and was made worse by Gen X. It’s had its time, and it needs to go the way of disco.
@@ReadtheBIBLE-f4g Ah yes, as we all know, God loves you more and you are especially saved if you sing in Latin...
@@alexwr what are you trying to say with that
@@alexwr Latin is a tradictional and beautiful language that represents the early church and we wish that latin would be used more because tradition makes people want to go to church but using latin doesnt mean youre saved
Calling it now, every single comment under this video will be Catholics arguing with Protestants about who's right, with the random Eastern Orthodox man saying that they are both wrong.
Real
@@doinic09 For real. Orthodox are the libertarian party of Christianity.
@@Theophoruz XD
FR.
Catholics are right
Thankfully, the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod has managed to remain both Evangelical and Mainline. The ELCA is bigger than us, but the LCMS comes directly from the continent and is even in communion with the Old Lutheran church (the remaining conservatives of Germany), so we trace our line right back to the Reformation. Fellow Christians, please pray for us that we are able to keep Godly practice at large in our denomination! God has blessed us greatly, but we must pray that we stay faithful.
Yes LCMS is based
Eastern Catholic here passionately rooting for you! ☦👌✝
The ACNA as well I feel is still pretty mainline and conservative, since it was one of the first conservative offshoot denominations. Many former episcopal churches converted to the ACNA, but unfortunately not all have been successful. Judges who don’t value the first amendment’s freedom of religion have unfortunately chosen to side with the Episcopal church and forced them to stay. There’s a reason the Catholic Church is looking into recognizing communion with them. Pray for us as well and that we stay this way
@@HorseloverFat1984 Thank you, brother! You have my prayers, as well!
@@airbus7373 I have a lot of respect for the fight the ACNA is going through right now. You guys are in my prayers!
All those beautiful cathedrals and basilicas across Europe are empty.
My church is bland and ugly. I go there to praise the Lord. Our money goes to missions and caring for handicapped orphans. We have a community and actively pray for one another.
Sorry we suck.
My Ethiopian friend's church plants across Ethiopia are literally sticks, tarps, patio chairs, and a karaoke machine. God doesn't care. He has their hearts. That is what he requires.
Respect bro. Storing up treasures in heaven. The real church is ppl.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty
Amen.
@@MRBosnoyan Amen dude. Whats the name of ur church? Im gonna donate (Based on the fact that its in Ethiopia thats probably all I can do lol) Plus the Across the Universe cover is awesome. One of the best i've ever heard. You and your friend have AMAZING voices. I'm a huge Beatles fan.
Just wanted to leave a verse too
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
James 1:27 ESV
Ppl like u and ur friend are the real heroes of the faith.
I'm a sinner like the rest of us. I pray daily for Gods forgiveness and for his love and guidance and the transformation of my heart.
Look up Strong Hearts Ethiopia. My brother in Christ Getinet has a kindergarten for street kids, takes care of single mothers, orphans, and plants churches.
My church is in Japan. It's called Living Way Shizuoka. The pastor used to foster orphans. Now he is too old so just takes care of 4 children with down syndrome. We have families and partners in India and Indonesia. Japan does not have a lot of children but there are plenty of widows. Might have to pivot towards helping the elderly.
@@MRBosnoyan Exactly. I don’t care how beautiful a mainline church is if they preach that the Bible isn’t inerrant, and performs gay “marriages”, then it’s ugly. A ramshackle building where they preach the gospel is beautiful in comparison.
The best example that I can think of of Protestants actually having beautiful buildings is like the Lutherans. They're very similar to Catholics that way especially the older Lutheran churches
Yup. Go to your typical small town ELCA church and it will be both beautiful and faithful.
@@Sebman1113 Most ELCA churches have pride flags all over them and have woman pastors.
@@DrGero15some have pride flags but that isn’t really common outside major metro areas. Also greatly depends on the Synod and Bishop. Sierra Pacific Synod and NE Minnesota Synod are like 2 different Lutheran denominations.
@@Sebman1113 Did the ELCA ever react to the sparkle creed? Was any discipline applied?
@@DrGero15 that pastors Bishop denounced the action but I don’t know much more because the bishops of the ELCA are very weak. I didn’t notice that pastor do the sparkle creed again this year when watching it so she probably got a talking too. I know my bishop and she wouldn’t welcome a pastor like that to our Synod but bishops also have few powers to enforce many rules. This is good for conservative congregations under liberal bishops which can be quite common but not good for conservative bishops trying to deal with someone who denies the denominations essentials.
Me going to a conservative, liturgical LCMS church in a beautiful 100 year old building 😏
My only problem with the LCMS is (A) some don’t do communion every week - way too much evangelical influence there - and (B) weird obsession about creationism, even though polls show a majority of its members accept evolution.
@@fighterofthenightman1057 creation is biblical, evolution is not
Cant blame them for trying to be as biblical as possible
@@gumbyshrimp2606 There is so much precedence in church history to not take Genesis literally. There is SO much evidence for evolution; it’s clear natural revelation. God doesn’t deceive.
so in GODS image we were monkeys 🤔
@@fighterofthenightman1057 do you believe that Adam was a real person?
At 3:56 Zoomed duplicated himself 😂
something something thomas
The Fabric of reality torn in two co-existing possibilities
@@StHaykin The timeline is splitting in half
Evangelicals would think Mainliners who participate but don't actually believe to be the actual LARPers lol
@@danshakuimo based point
I was looking for this comment
Are they not?
Read “Has American Christianity Failed?” by Pastor Wolfmueller. It describes it perfectly!
Ditto. It's a great book!
Yup, he’s part of the reason I left nondenominationalism for confessional Lutheranism
As a Catholic, I genuinely don't understand what the issue is here. It seems like a natural outgrowth of the Reformation. Your denominations prioritized personal biblical interpretation over the unity and traditions of the Church. So naturally, any time there's a major disagreement on biblical interpretations you will all end up dividing again into yet more denominations.
Catholics may not agree on every point with the Eastern or Oriental Orthodox, but I can respect the fact that like us, they embrace both the participation in Church tradition, and the faithful embracing of dogma asserted through our Creeds.
"we will do anything short of sin to reach people" was a nail in the coffin delivered from that horrid Lifechurch monstrosity.
Having known many people who go there, a questionI sometimes ask is "What did you learn about Christ at church?" I usually don't actually get an answer, often just silence
If anyone here is in North Texas and looking for a 160-year-old church that is highly traditional in worship with orthodox evangelical preaching from the pulpit, come visit us at First United Methodist Church in Decatur, TX.
I’ll be sure to add it to the map!
If I lived there and no Pentecostal churches were nearby, I'd definitely give the church a try 👍🏻
You still miss the point, the essence of evangelicalism is that they are opposed to ritualism and formality, they have ugly churches because their theology requires it. Beautiful churches is one of the things evangelicalism was created to oppose.
Okay I thought you were gonna make the same video for the fifth time but this is an actually convincing argument for traditional liturgy and architecture instead of your earlier articulations of this where you didn’t make much of an argument. This is a good video
Thanks man 😅
Splintering churches is a feature of protestantism
-Catholic gang
Well it's better than being told "if you don't like it, die."
@Procopius464 ah yes the protestant favorite passtime, telling lies about us.
As someone who attends one of the nicer PCA Churches, often I gaze at the ceiling or at the stained glass. That has made me understood more fully why buildings actually matter.
The french slander is crazy.
Disappointing honestly.
Yeah France has a really rich, beautiful musical heritage there. Ramaeu, Chopin, Camille Saent Saens, Debussy etc etc.
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@@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkovall losers, Caesar had the right idea about those people
@@thegreatandmightyseff7214 Indeed, Vive Le Roi 🏳️ ⚜️
"That creeper must be sent by the PCA"
Probably a PCA spy
What denomination is Konata part of?
“You have been compromised, self destruct”
Babe grab the popcorn another kingdom craft dropped
This video makes me feel proud to be in the Missouri Synod - both traditional aesthetics and conservative theology.
I was excited to find an ACNA church near me (the Episcopal Church where I'd spent decades, where my children were baptized, had sunk so deeply into heresy and wokeness as to become unattendable) but, at least in that location, the ACNA was not the answer. It wasn't really Anglican. The rector was adult-onset Anglican, a young man who'd grown up in a completely different tradition and the liturgy and teachings reflected that.
Most of my fellow congregants were coming over from non-denominational churches and the rector tried to accommodate that by mixing traditional Anglican liturgy with familiar (for them) modern touches. The music was awful, the proceedings loud and sloppy, at least by traditional Anglican standards. Also, the services, being basically two-in-one, were twice as long.
I think my experience there is a strong argument for Zoomer's Reconquista. Entities like the ACNA can be in such a hurry to expand that they bring in clergy from outside the tradition and the result is kind of a mess.
St George Church in Lisbon in your map isn't conservative at all, I've tried going to it multiple times. Their pastor is literally a woman.
Doesn’t make it liberal by default, is social justice / lgbt being preached?
@@memeboi6017That absolutely makes them liberal by default.
@@memeboi6017 pretty much so, that was one example. I seriously would love to go to a mainline Protestant historical church but I can’t understand going to a place with wrong theology and a watered down gospel for the sake of keeping tradition and beauty. But at least one of the Presbyterian churches he has put on the map seems to be ok (the institution isn’t, performs gay marriage), I haven’t had the chance to go to a service yet but they partner up with my church a lot.
@@PantalonRouge No it’s just that I am neutral on egalitarianism, both sides have good points but it ultimately is not a key issue, properly administrating the sacrament is more important. The preacher is secondary.
@@PantalonRouge I suppose one could say I am egalitarian because I’m not against the practice, but I am not for it either. On this issue I basically don’t have an opinion, both sides have good points. For me, word and sacrament matter more
I would define mainline Protestantism as being the most historic, ecumenical, and big tent mainstream parts of their traditions where I would define the evangelicals more by trying to be absolutely pure in theology. Ecumenical=/= Liberal but churches that are more ecumenical and big tent happen to be more liberal because participatory. I’m a Lutheran, a traditional Lutheran, and I go to an ELCA church. The Lutheran tradition is big and with many angles to it and the Lutherans are historically quite ecumenical. I’d say the goal of Reconquesta is bring the mainline denominations back into the orthodoxy of our traditions within this big tent ecumenical framework. We shouldn’t be marrying couples in an unbiblical relationship for example.
Edit: participatory is probably another good word rather than just ecumenical.
Just if anyone was curious - the UMC formed from the Evangelical United Brethren Church and the Methodist Church
Reject modernity
Embrace traditon...❤
Says the libertarian?
As he types on his phone
@@kamarwashington rejecting modernity doesn't mean rejecting science. It means rejecting the modern cultural decadence and degeneracy
The Catholic urge to say that the title doesn’t need “modern” in it
Guess my Southern Baptist Church is actually quite balanced between the two based on this explanation.
Personally, my problem is not even if the church is beautiful, is much more about evangelical theology, i think that without it, good building's will come in a matter of time, but with such simplistic and ignorant interpretations, is almost impossible
The lack of resources excuse can only go so far. There is nothing stopping these churches from acquiring an old pump organ.
@@kierancabana2970 exactly, it's not money, it's theology
@@kierancabana2970 Why get a pump organ? Is it "holier" than an acoustic guitar?
@@alexwr No, I have just heard the excuse that traditional worship cannot be achieved due to lack of funds. If used right an acoustic guitar is equally reverent. I want to see a place use both at once.
Its very interesting how traditions develop. Even in the contemporary evangelical movement we can see it. back in the 90's and early 2000's contemporary worship music was trying to sound like the pop/rock bands that were popular. In the 2000's the radiohead/coldplay inspired ambient rock thing was really popular, and worship music adopted that style, leaving behind the jangly folk rock sound it had form the 70's through the 90's. As tastes changed so did the music. But now something interesting has happened. The ambient rock thing isn't popular any more (at least not as much), but worship music is still doing it. As a result, contemporary worship music is beginning to move away from just copying what is popular and beginning to iterate and develop its own style. I think they have noticed that the ambient rock of the 00's is more suitable for sacred music than the pop of the day. It feels like we are at the beginning of a new tradition of sacred music. Its just too bad it started by repudiating everything that came before.
Affording maintenance and upkeep of a more traditional style or older church is no small thing. There's going to maintenance costs and everything else that comes with a property and they'll have limited funds available to them for upkeep.
As a lifelong Catholic who has recently become more engaged with the faith, I've noticed that many Protestant churches and groups seem to exhibit a worldly outlook. Despite this, I believe these Protestant communities often act as pipelines, guiding people towards the Catholic Church. I shared this "pipeline theory" with a new Catholic friend, who initially scoffed. He mentioned that the Baptist church was instrumental in his journey to Catholicism, to which I pointed out that Baptists are, in fact, Protestants.
I have a deep love for scripture, which is a key reason why I appreciate Protestants and their teachings. Could you help me elaborate further on the worldly aspects of modern Protestant churches and how they might lead individuals towards Catholicism?
With love and respect
Catholicism and Orthodoxy are more based in countries that the majority of the population are protestants. Here in Brazil (a catholic country) is quite the opposite. We have some crazy Catholic priests and a LOT of syncretism, while the protestants churches are quite strong. Brazil is slowly becoming a protestant country. I'm a member of the mainline Presbyterian Church, which has kept conservative through its 200 years of history.
We are living an inversion. Protestantism is failing in protestant countries and people are converting to Catholicism and Orthodoxy and Catholicism is failing in Catholic countries, and people are becoming Protestant.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 The US is no longer a Christian country. It's become a nonsensical hodge-podge of people who mostly don't like each other.
idk if you read comments, but if you do, I think it would be cool if you had a conversation with Christian Blue about non-denominationalism. I always like your conversation videos
Friendly reminder that the early Church met in houses or any other space they could find where they hopefully wouldn't be harassed or arrested by the authorities.
But that changed immediately once they stopped being persecuted.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 except there are still many churches that are persecuted and underground.
That creeper was sent by the PCA 💀
Actually it was the IRS Redeemed Zoomer evades taxes
I think just lacking the style and tradition in its buildings isnt the only problem with evangelical churches. I think as an offshoot of mailine churches that became overly liberal, evangelical churches as counter response to that overcorrected too much and became overly conservative which could be as bad. As a conservative myself i think you must find the "golden middle" and here would be the real truth and being either too conservative or too liberal will lead to same bad stuff
Please do a video about different types of music for denominations. As a Catholic, I will let you know that the Vatican City has a national anthem.
Is it "Amore"?
you should do a video where you ask each town to vote on their favorite church in that town, and then make a video reviewing each town’s elected church
Thr non denominational church I attend currently defies your criticism at the end simply by exisisting. They do outreach and church planting in Alaska and volunteer to help via Impact Alaska every year and this last year they had help from a different church and they focused their efforts downtown in Deleny Park, but then again, Anchorage does not follow the unspoken rules your observations have confirmed with in your area. You are also not the first, not will be the last person, regardless of beliefs to experience this strange phenomenon, yet completely normal in a multi cultural tiny packed city where things change on the fly and social statuses are in constant interaction with each other regardless of what the human sees outwardly and sometimes what is absurd to the outsider it quite normal or larger cities in Alaska, but it is not always gray, there is black and white unspoken observable rules that Anchorage may have yet have in common with the place you live in. And Anchorage is certainly NOT the only place like this. Also the non denominational church I attended is a Chain church. I call it a chain church bacuse the have more than one location under the same same except for the name of the location. Not to be confused with the heavy cult vibes chain chain church that won't claim any denominational title. They just call themselves a church.
Similar experience here bro. RZ really dislikes non denoms for some reason. Don't know why some people insist on "my denomination is right cuz of history" when 90% of the congregation believes God is a trans woman.
My church is a reformed baptist church(I’m so close to Presbyterianism. I’m reformed, have plenty of really solid believers who are Presbyterian, and I love the idea of the presbytery. But I’m credobaptist so womp womp). My church congregation is what I would call a smallish one. Our building is alright, but we are gaining traction and getting many new people, and we’re getting jam packed on Sundays. We’ve been looking at some new, bigger buildings to get, but I must say, the nice and traditional looking churches are absurdly expensive nowadays. Maybe there should be a church price reformation😂.
That’s great! Except no you’re not close to Presbyterian at all
@@redeemedzoomer6053 sorry, I forgot to mention I’m part Scottish, have a brother named Calvin, and hope to move to Knoxville next year. That’s what I call a Presbyterian at first glance😎.
I got lucky with the baptist church i started attending in that it is historic and has been around for over a hundred years and I what would consider a beautiful historic building, but with modern interior, (coushined seats, a modern stage with microphones, instruments, and speakers, a dual projection screen and even a rather sophisticated online service for those who cant make it in person. Also at one time (not sure if it still is) but they atleast had the largest church library in this region of the canada. Also the pastor actually teaches about theology and traditional values.
Have good theology and have pretty buildings that will make God happy
or just be catholic and you’ll already have both
I object to your admonishment of PCA or other evangelical churches not wanting to or not being able to secure and maintain a traditionally styled edifice.
My church (URCNA) is trying to rehab an old (1840's) building right now. We have been quoted seven figures for comprehensive repair on a 200 seat worship space that was last refurbished in the 1970's. It will likely be a decade or two before the full renovation schedule is complete.
Most evangelical churches do not have the budget or denominational support for such undertakings. Even we acknowledge it is a considerable task and if God does not build the house the laborers labor in vain.
It's not that we don't want to retain the traditional spaces and our denominational heritage; it is that evangelicals have emphasized orientation of our hearts and spirits over material possession that those who demonstrate a lack of real faith grant or deny access to. If God blesses his people with the ability to build and maintain a beautiful church edifice, then may he be praised.
If not, then it is clear that he wishes his people to wander in the wilderness for a bit longer, so let us pray that God will continue to provide for us, direct our path, and keep us away from the wolves in sheep's clothing.
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all...
What should it profit a man if he should gain the world and lose his soul?
Brother, thanks for this video.
A question for you - have you ever heard of the book, "A Man Called Peter" by Catherine Marshall? It is the story of a man who came from Scotland in the 1920s and trained in the Presbyterian Church seminary. He would eventually become pastor of the New York Ave. Presbyterian Church in Washington, DC. Under his preaching and teaching (in the late 1930s through the 1940s), the church could not contain all the people that wanted to attend. It's one of my all time favorite books and worth a read for sure!
I wouldn't jump too hard on a church turning down a beautiful building on the grounds of it being too much to keep up. There are 4 beautiful church buildings near me (2 former SBC built in the 60s, one former UMC built in 1905, one former PCUSA built in 1923) that were all sold at steep discounts 20-30 years ago (one congregation moved to a larger building, the other congregations dissolved) and they are all falling apart because the current congregations don't have the funds to keep up on the maintenance.
Has anyone else noticed in their town that the big beautiful mainline churches now no longer even have traditional worship?! All of the options anywhere near us the worship is now contemporary😩.
@Redemmed Zoomer What Bible translation do you use?
tbf though, my local pentecostal church is PACKED every sunday morning and wednesday evening, while i’m pretty sure my anglican church may or may not be abandoned, i cannot tell.
@@z3rocodes that’s an awfully big step, pentecostals ≠ damned imo
While I applaud your local Pentecostal church, I really hope that the church toned down outrageous claims of miracles.
I believe Pentecostal baptism is not valid, so these aren't even Christians
The drug dealer is always getting traffic too. That must make it good.
I attend a CoG near my college and it's packed for both Sunday morning services. Yes, they have two plus an evening service. They're expanding into a larger building once it's finished. I grew up and am Pentecostal Holiness, and the PH churches I've attended over the years always had decent to amazing attendance.
To be fair to the LARPers, it can be quite difficult to even find a conservative, liturgical church depending on where you live and moving to a different town or driving 4 hours every Sunday isn't always possible for a number of reasons.
With Eastern Orthodoxy you always get BOTH! Proper teachings and beauty. BTW, I am no "larper"! I'm not even an American. We have been Orthodox for a thousand years 🇷🇸
My ancestors even managed to keep their faith intact under one of the staunchest Roman Catholic dynasties of Early modern Europe.
One thing Mainliners are correct on? Some of these evangelical offshoots have “separated from the vine.” Just look at how much of Presbyterian tradition the PCA has abandoned … it’s no worse (just different) than liberals in the PCUSA. Except the PCUSA has at least preserved the tradition and infrastructure, to one day be restored, at least in theory. In 50 years, the PCA will be as “Presbyterian” as the Evangelical Free Church is “Lutheran.”
Blud think he could get away with deleting all the shorts and we wouldn't noticed 💀
3:56 Evil zoomer took over the video. Zoomer if you're in danger blink 5 times
I'd love to hear the mental gymnastics used to justify a position of allowing homosexual ordination in whatever "churches" support that.
I’m non-denominational and have been visiting different churches, but I’m probably going to join the Lcms. Tired of hearing about Zionism and having to worry if the church I’m attending is even trinitarian.
LCMS is great. If you have to wonder if it's Trinitarian, get out quick
Guys he said in the title the Protestantism sucks, Catholic Zoomer is happening anytime now
FINALLY
@@jvoges honestly the way he spoke in this video suggests he’s going that way. He says the Catholic Churches everywhere maintain the same theology and the same practices.
It’s almost as if it all goes back to 33AD.
Thing is, Zoomed is very strongly rooted in Western theology so I'm certain he'd be Catholic before ever considering the Orthodox of the East.
With how he treats Catholic beliefs he doesn't agree with, I doubt it, but nothing is impossible with God.
@@doinic09 Scott Hahn was profoundly anti-Catholic before his conversion.
I’m an Anglican but I’m also in the military and I’m going to be stationed in Japan for 3-4 years soon and it’ll be very difficult for me to find an ACNA church there, or really any Anglican/Episcopalian churches. My options are basically Catholic, Baptist, maybe non-denom, MAYBE Orthodox. I’ll still be an Anglican I just won’t be able to participate
Prob Catholic if ur a more high church Anglican.
Personally, I don't believe in separating aesthetics from doctrine. Beauty is inherent in Orthodox and Catholic doctrine since beauty is a transcendental that points to God. Beauty uplifts our spirits. We are not materialists, so we understand that we are not only material beings. Beauty is actually important, I would even argue that it is primary. The material world is good, and beauty is made manifest in material reality. Beauty itself is not material, but it manifests itself in the material world.
Young Anglican is a smart dude.
Incidentally, I did visit a PCUSA church earlier this year and asked the pastor, "so Presbyterianism is based on the teachings of John Calvin, right?" And his answer was along the lines of, "sort of, but we've also moved beyond that, and now our main focus is on inclusion." The church building was beautiful, though, and so was the music.
There's also the other two P's from John Vervakae...Procedural and Perspectival knowledge.
But redeemed zoomer is the undisputed GOAT of the “i’m just a minecraft youtuber bro” fallacy
3:56 i thought i was having a stroke
I wonder if we can see this participatory/propositional dynamic in the church in the Bible? (maybe in Acts?) This concept has definitely intrigued me and I want to explore it further
5:25 the BishopCaleb slander is crazy 💀
Now I get it. He is talking about church BUILDINGS, not churches. What is important is what is going on inside the building, not the outside facade.
I wish more conservative Protestants would have more cathedrals that would be cool! Beautiful ones
“We should leave Rome because of indulgences, but we shouldn’t leave mainline churches even though there are female pastors and bishops who defend homosexuality”
Rome left us for trying to read our Bibles in English. We didn’t want to get Jan Hussed. What language do you read your Bible?
@@clivejungle6999 I’m Orthodox, so I read the Bible in the vernacular, like we always have.
The ridiculous thing is that Catholics act like Protestants wanted to leave the Church. Diet of Wurms anyone?
Read Wylie's History of Protestantism, D'Aubigné's History of the Reformation, or Foxe's Book of Martyrs. The Roman Catholic Church was actively hunting down and massacring anyone who dared to accept Protestantism or even to read the Bible for themselves in their own language. Look up the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, and how the Pope responded to the news. Look up how the Reformed believers were treated in the Netherlands by King Philip II of Spain. The 16th century Papacy was doing the devil's work by persecuting God's people. There's no possible way any believer in Protestantism could have stayed in communion with Rome under those circumstances.
I accidently put zoomer on 2× speed for a second, and he kinda sounded like Ben Shapiro.
As an Anglican a lot of people in my evangelical church that I'm planning on leaving for a mainline church keep saying that Anglicanism has always taken in traditions from other churches and while there may be some truth to that it feels like my church is saying that to justify getting rid of all the traditions people actually associate with Anglicanism in favour of going down a more charismatic route.
I attend a Baptist church, but my theology would be more in line with more traditional Protestantism. I’m a Baptist because that’s my church family.
You’re still baptist
@@redeemedzoomer6053 yep. That was my point. Regardless of my theological leanings, I’m a Baptist.
@@shaunschulte2258 based
Don't know if it's my PC or the video but there's overlapping audio at about 4:00
God bless!
Yeah it's not just you I had that
Yes just between 3 55 and 4
Literally all 3 Protestant churches I go to use to be other businesses that are not in use and bought on the cheap so the churches took the money not spent on building giant fancy things and spent money on poor people and missionaries. Don't be confused. Fancy big buildings are for us not for God.
Your definition of mainline and evangelical more aligns the LCMS with mainline than evangelical. The LCMS does place a lot of emphasis on the propositions, but most LCMS churches hold to the historical, liturgical traditions. You want to make the PCUSA more like the LCMS. Good luck!
I'm in a strange situation where I do attend a mainline church (CofE), but it has very evangelical tendencies like CCM, it's definitely more propositional here
I used to attend a former Southern Baptist Church that had a large stained glass green cross in it and it looks like a more formal church, not beautiful like yours potentially, but it is not a modern design, though the pastor that was there when I had attended stated multiple times that the church is the people. The congregation, not the building in a church, because in Anchorage, any building with avaliable space can be used for church services. Now, if you want something more grand like they used to have, there is some of that but, again it is not always to black and white. Location does matter and materials avaliable do matter when it comes to the building, so it will HIGHLY be that the outer building of the church will not be as traditional as you strongly debate for. That being said, I walked by Hana Methodist Koren church in anchorage yesterday, and it literally on the outside looks like someone nice house turned church. I wanter if the pastor lives there? That's a traditional habit is it? The other Methodist church downtown across from Delany park, is more not too snappy traditional style, but they have a Lady pastor since 2018 apparently sooo. Then the Seventh Day Adventist church that is also near Delaney Park is, idk how traditional it is. It's like traditional meets 70 arcatextre, but they planted other SDA churches (I believe they are the same denomination) for other ethnicities.
Wonder* not wanter. I will not check for many typos when tired.
The reason evangelicals are more likely to have CCM is because the evangelical approach is more outward looking. It is looking attractive people in so they can be converted. Therefore, if they look more contemporary, it can help reduce the in-built barriers many have about coming to church. Sometimes, I think it goes too far. I get annoyed with my church's whole hearted embrace of CCM, but I know that only hymns gives off a stifling atmosphere that can turn prospective concerts off. I think there is a compromise that can and should be made.
Yeah I'm a Catholic myself but if I wasn't Catholic I would probably be mainline Lutheran
Who's to say that world wasn't made mature? Adam wasn't a baby ever.
People get more pastors to watch Redeemed Zoomer please! ✝️
Hey Redeemed Zoomer. Could you do a video about fasting? Im currently in a 7 day fast and it has affected my relationship with my mother. I'm hoping to get some answers from the best christian channel. 🙏
Yeah my advice is don’t do that. Having faith in your heart is a much better act of devotion than the longest fast
Will you do “Why I’m not Quaker”?
I love oatmeal and a great society of friends. 😜Jokes aside, I have massive respect for them. Amazing Christians who were super important in the abolitionist movement.
when will he do "why i'm not Amish"
It will just be a video with muted audio
Modern protestantism is just a product of magisterial Protestantism… The fruit of the reformation.
I was peacefully listening until Redeemed Zoomer's second person started communicating with me 💀
Lmao...I love that even RZ subversively bullies the French. Made me actually audibly laugh😆
I attend beatiful 170 year old Lutheran church.
The water is fine at the actually reformed CREC ❤
bro the CREC has fewer pretty buildings than the SBC, OPC, or the PCA.
Why? It's a double-degree retreatist denomination
Participation in a historic church institution does not matter on basically any level. The whole point of protestantism is how being part of the mainstream institution is not nearly as important as preserving the truth and purity of the Gospel, and I truly think that it's the participatory attitude toward church that the mainline protestant denominations have that caused them to drift in a liberal direction. I place the blame not on the conservatives who left, but on the conservatives who tolerated theologically liberal members for the sake of preserving the community of their denominations. Heresey is heresey and it must be dealt with, not allowed to fester. This is why I am a Baptist non denom, because we actually put emphasis on the salvation of our members. I hope the historic protestant denominations do not fall into this same mistake again. They have a rich history and I am sad to see them fall, but I know that even if they die completely then we Baptists and non denoms will still be here to proclaim the Gospel to a generation without the delusion that being a Christian means going to church
@@auggieeasteregg2150 That is not the “whole point” of Protestantism. Maybe that’s what you guys make it about at your evangelical auditorium LARPing as a Protestant church.
@@fighterofthenightman1057 As opposed to a church that made everything about the magisterial authority of the pope, it is the underlying assumption of protestantism, that truth is more important than the institution. That's why the churches stuck with the five solas. The protestant reformation didn't invent anything new, they just took the biblical beliefs that were present in the church and put them above the church's authority. That's why they were kicked out. If you have no better argument than "bIg ChUrCh bAd" then kindly leave this to people of deeper penetration
I go to Church of Sweden, trust me, i know it sucks
I like that Lutheranism doesn’t have evangelical branches (Pietists left our tradition and do not count). You have Mainline (ELCA, LCMC) and Confessional (LCMS, AALC, etc.). Both have largely maintained our traditions and liturgy. As someone who actively attends a great ELCA church that is very high church and traditional, the online image of the ELCA as overly liberal is really overhyped.
You can judge a tree by its fruits
Woah woah woah???????? Minecraft video in THIS CHANNEL ???
WHAT??? It's almost like that is what most of his videos are???
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu no , i remember subscribing him for his videos about god/science and other crazy stuff . Although i dont have any problem with Minecraft too
@@Akuma-kg6hg same
Over the past few months I've seen signs of otherworldly things happening in these videos. It first popped up on my radar in one of his Q&As. Where when he was answering a question about the Nephilim, and "something went wrong" and it was cut out. Next he made a video about the nephilim. But the audio "had a problem" and he was mutes. What was he trying to say? The video was removed later. (I think it may be back now). From then till today i have seen signs and visions. Robotic noises, odd video topics, gnostic falmer dreams. But today, in this video, right before the 4 minute mark, there were two of him. I've had the theory that he has been replaced by a nephilim for a while, but now with the confirmation that there are 2 Zoomers, this seems very possible. There are still many questions about the theory. Are the enemies? Are they working together? Does Nephilim Zoomer have Redeemed Zoomer in captivity? Will we ever know what is going on? And who really ARE the Nephilim?
Dude - I can't tell if you're joking or not, but there's just a running joke on my channel where I never give my opinion on the Nephilim cuz the audio cuts out or something. I posted that Nephilim video on April fools. The "two voices" thing from today's video was an editing mistake on my part lol
@@redeemedzoomer6053 That's just what Nephilim Zoomer wants us to think! What have you done with the real RZ?!?
@@redeemedzoomer6053 ah I see. A "running joke" where the audio "cuts out" and you had an "editing mistake" where two of you playing "Minecraft" at "the" same time. I know what you're up to nephilim zoomer
youtube.com/@unredeemedzoomer?si=2JOtoDKMK7bHPjb-
Found a lead
I still can’t believe you no longer think Catholics are saved Zoomer. 😮
When did I say that
Dont u know zoomers a Catholic?
@@redeemedzoomer6053 shoot, my comment got deleted, are you still able to see it?
This is such a weird blanket statement separation. Must be that I'm brit