To me on first viewing disgusted over it however why is this only surfacing now??! I think there’s more to come...a mistake like this has ruined him and he’ll never recover.. I do worry for his mental health in all this. We’re all very quick to judge but we’ve all made mistakes some small some huge..world is tough enough so try be kind.
He showed no respect for that horse, who was one of many who line his pockets, Life time ban on anything to do with horses, even the fibreglass ones on a carousel...
The picture is pretty damning with Gordon smiling. I personally found the image in very bad taste and think Gordon should be banned for bringing the sport into disripute, probably for 6-9 months, maybe longer. However, my real concern is the way this is going to be perceived by those that either dislike racing, or just want it banned will see this as an ideal oppotunity to build up demonstrations again and likely will put a stop to some big profile races. The really sad thing about this picture is how it has ruined so much good press about how well racehorses are looked after these days and that just about everyone involved in racing stables are there because they love horses.
gordon elliott will have to accept that his licence will be revoked for quite sometime. if at sometime he will want to return i think he must be allowed to. i dont think you can restrict anybody wishing to ply their trade in any chosen vocation. i also think that legally it may be tricky to ban him forever
Forget racing, in simple terms of humanity those images of Elliott and James are just horrendous. Does anyone believe that every person in every stable is squeaky clean? How many more stories are out there? How many have been buried? The only question regarding timing is why was this footage not exposed at the time? Punishment cannot be seen to be lenient. Tritonic finished off impressively but was he more impressive than Redicean who won the race a couple of years ago? You would have got pretty long odds on that horse never winning another hurdle race. Still completely ignoring Bear Ghylls for the Ballymore?
What is this guy talking about??..its not a matter of knowing people's 1st name its about respect..if my dog died tomorrow I wouldn't sit on him..GE is obviously an arrogant and self indulgent man,but this incident shouldn't be used to castigate the overwhelming majority of people who dedicate their lives to the welfare of horses..
An awful awful situation but please show respect and care for GE. I am sure his family will help him. I just hope his friends do the same. We can't criticise him for lack of respect and then show him no respect as a human being.
of course what he done was wrong no doubt....but now seen that were on this..lets get some photos out there at halal abbatoirs...and see how live animals really suffer
How about those who know Gordon well stick up for him just a little bit. The picture is horribly damning and I can see why the public outside of racing are appalled. But it seems not only outsiders but also racing fans and people in the industry are satisfied to see this picture in the worst possible light and except no other explanation of intention. Pretty cold. Surely those in the industry know Gordon and how he treats his horses. Assuming, as I have read no different, that he has successfully managed and taken care of 100's, likely 1000's of horses then we need to frame judgements to include this as well. You don't train a dual GN winner, who also won a triumph at 4 without taking good care of your horses. Do I think Gordon intimately cared for the horse that died, no not really, but then should I necessarily expect/demand him to. He has 100's of horse in his yard and likely spreads himself thin. His owners, especially the big ones, pay him to win races not to fall in love with their horse. I would expect most large trainers to be relatively cold in general to the individual horse compared to smaller yards. But importantly I don't think Gordon would treat a living horse badly. Isolated thoughtless momentary errors of this nature don't deserve a punishment of banishment that some are demanding. So personally whilst I hope Gordon is reprimanded, I hope that he is forgiven and allowed to learn from this and return as a trainer in the near future. I also hope others forgive him and lessen their seeming desire for blood. Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.
@@bramolini4835 Who's offering a free pass? What is a free pass? Perhaps it's subjective. But whatever the outcome of an investigation he's likely going through hell at the moment. Horse racing being literally his life blood. Besides punishment and hate are different things.
This has sent racing back at least 20 years, racing needs to appeal to the wider world and this has done it no favours. The point of this to me is what type of person sits on any animal that has sadly died and poses for a picture , its perverse and tells alot about the character of the man. I love racing but racing needs to grow a bone and condemn the man not just the act.
Who cares, they all contribute to the cruel sport and only care (or not care in this case) for these horses so they can make profit from them whilst the horses risk their lives. Joke.
the fact that rob James did the same makes it look like its sort of sick inside joke or thing to do.im normally willing to forgive but not now and what else is going to come out were not finished yet.
There’s talk that another big Irish trainer is about to go too. The week or so after Cheltenham before aintree. Apparently the labs over in Ireland are holding back information on blood tests of his horses
Drugs Drink and Race Fixing its systematically a very abusive industry and lifestyle full of weirdos, Kate Harrington's timing was Spot On, Jessy's daughter Elliot's ex she held this picture years
For weeks I’ve sat watching this show thinking it went out live so which questions at end does Vanessa ask from public it’s certainly not mine which I put to panel on LIVE chat , another LIE from ur tel-lie-vision, let’s not have LIVE chat on anymore ATR it’s a illusion
I run a pub in the uk which with the regulars has through syndication shares in 7 horses, there can be no sitting on the fence with this matter, Gordon Elliott must be held totally responsible for his actions and should be shown no leniency with the punishment, those in racing realise it was a one off and all of the stables that iv'e experienced have always been exemplary in their treatment and care of the horses, those involved in racing should come together and demand a significant ban of several years for Gordon at the very minimum, he should be warned off every racecourse as well for the duration of the ban. Racing can ill afford to let this slip just because of his position as one of the very top trainers and his high profile owners, racing should show the public how these wonderful animals are looked after in other stables to prove that Mr Elliott is a one off and racehorses are looked after very well. In the past trainers have suffered huge bans and fines for stopping horses or jockeys having involvement in unusual betting patterns, this with Gordon Elliott, i feel is far more serious than any of those cases and should have far greater punishment. To finish, i'm disgusted by what has happened and my opinion of this trainer has fallen off a cliff, he has gone from someone i admired as a racehorse trainer to someone i wouldn't let drink in my pub and he would be asked to leave.
@@geoffreymuller4858 Geoff has obviously never owned horses, if that was my horse he was sat on after it had just died, or dog or any family pet i would be having serious words with him, unfortunately we still have people around like Geoff but luckily they are in the minority thankfully
@@AaronSmith-is6ml im sure in your profession you have seen people make mistakes and bad judgements ......its a bit ott to want him punished for life .....get over it and I have been a horse owner
@@mickeydthebookiebasher Mick, i have made mistakes and been punished for them, also i have seen many people make mistakes obviously in my trade but a couple of years ban is hardly too much punishment for what he did, when he's served his time for the crime he should be allowed to return, you must remember these horses have put him in a very privileged position, making him millions every year out of something he enjoys, horses are not a commodity which you should understand being an owner,they become part of the family and for a trainer to show no respect when they die in my eyes is unacceptable, but that is just my opinion which you should get over
@@AaronSmith-is6ml oh I'm over it......i thought it was an overreaction on your part to say you would ask him to leave your premises that's all...I agree he will be banned and probably won't appeal it ....but he didn't kill the horse ...yes it was a daft thing to do....best of luck in the future 👍
Can you imagine what the late John McCririck's reaction would have been to this obnoxious trainer....no sitting on the fence for big John or horse for that matter
@@Marjopolo302 neither criminal nor cruelty took place, where is the voice of reason....to destroy a person's career over a momentarily lapse of thought is wrong....trial by social media and the far left media have more blood on the hands than Gordo ever will. BHA are a disgrace also
@@iminc5498 people do it as normal part of life you all stand back and watch individuals scapegoated in workplaces in social circles families everywhere you come together you do it in one form or another what's different about this guy. There is no reason or logic to people most of you partake in such behavior and are completely unconscious of it because of your perception of it and circumstance and environment etc.
@ROBERT. we all know he made a mistake. But nobody is bigger than a sport and can get away with it. He will get punished and will come back eventually. But the damage done and the ammo given to Activists like PETA wont go away, it endangers the future of the sport and the people earning a living from it. Things like this need to stop from happening. People are angry about the picture ofc but angrier at the damage done to the image of the sport and its future. The picture doesnt reflect the care and attention these horses get by very hardworking yard staff. its a massive insult to them tbh.
It doesnt really endanger the future of the sport unless you let it. And I understand what you are saying, I agree with you but what I admire about O'Leary is that he sticks to his guns, he is not persuaded by outside pressure or the public image etc...that's what I mean when I say it wont hurt the future of the sport unless you let it (meaning all the top people involved in the running of horse racing). Thats why in Ireland things are run differently than Britain, in Ireland its run by horse racing people through and through whereas in Britain, its the do -gooders and the sort, the types that bow down to activists, pc bridgade etc etc. and you get a terribly watered down product as a result, as you can see in television programs, news, talk shows etc, its never ending. He made a big mistake but, I dont go with the one strike and you're out mentality that many here are condoning.
Both Elliott and James have not made one unfortunate mistake! They have already forgotten the plight of the dead animal, posing on it, having a joke, get rid of it for the next unfortunate horse to take its place! These horses are well looked after and so they should be....they have hard, dangerous lives. Very few make it to a happy retirement.
@@frizzyred1292 I am not saying he should never train horses again. Everybody deserve a second chance. I am sure he will be back. he is a top trainer. He made one big mistake in his career maybe ever. what I am saying is people need to learn form this whole situation, certain behavior is unacceptable especially when you make a living out of it. The reality of racing is that some horses will go wrong inevitable during their career, the last thing you would expect , is someone having some fun with their dead body and posing like a trophy hunter on safari in Africa. That is what angers me.
@@subfreeze9354 Yea I agree, I understand. When training horses the reality is you are going to be around dead horses alot and its inevitable that its going to numb you somewhat emotionally which in turn might lead you to doing something silly like what Gordon has done.
All 3 presenters have really improved for the experience of these shows over this season and I can’t wait to see the shows again next season when they go from novices to open company. It’s a big step up but it looks like they are already there.
@@adambeagley5796 hi mate, nah I’m not to be fair mate. I was tempted to do one this season in January but by that point I’d already gotten quite a lot of bigger prices about my selections and it felt like I would be aftertiming. Will do them properly next season
@AntePost King don’t answer him Jaso. It’s Wayne Harrison he’s a cock. Doesn’t matter if you’re on at 100/1 he will desperately try and one up you. Does it to everyone across loads of videos
If I had horses with him, id stand by him and support him. He made a mistake, but he is going to suffer indefinitely for it. Thats enough punishment. I do also believe he has been stitched up by someone. If the person who leaked this really was concerned about the horses welfare it would have been brought before an established body of authority within horse racing not put on Twitter to shame all of horse racing because in a broader context that is what they have done.
He sat on a dead horse by his own choice smiling and posing for pic. By stitched up you mean photo leaked . Still makes him guilty of such a stupid action 2 week before racing Olympics.
Vanessa is a really good host. She's calm, allows the guests their say, without interrupting. It's intelligent analysis and cares for the business as do Gary and Barry
I don’t believe it was a moment of stupidity, , Gordon Elliott has been caught out , that callousness was always there , same with the jockey in the film doing the same , it’s the men laughing around it and seeing that poor animal dead and they think it’s a joke. I have recently lost my beloved mare to colic , I held her head on my knees and my heart was broken as she slipped away , to desecrate her body is something no true horse owner would ever do under any circumstances. That was not a moment of madness Gordon it was the unpalatable truth , no getting away from it.
I wonder where Mr O’Leary or should that read Mr Contrary be putting his horses now. I cannot understand how he can stand by Gordon Elliot given that he must surely be given at minimum a lengthy ban.
We now have a jockey connected to him and the stud doing the same thing, so matters have got worse since this recording. It sadly wasn’t an isolated incident as we all would have hoped.
@ Edward Ferry; Very suspicious and sinister this whole thing. No excuses for GE as he could easily have said NO to such an unwise, dodgy 'photo opportunity' I'd wager he's fairly intelligent and world savvy to have foresaw the potential danger of what he was doing, but I still fear he's been properly "shafted" even done up like the proverbial kipper. Stinks to high heaven this does
@@kellybrown4937 a video of a jockey doing the same thing .. the jockey rides for Elliot and the horse I think is another of the Ryanair guy. It’s on the Racing post, the story that is. I haven’t seen or wouldn’t watch the video.
One question that as far I can see has not been asked; Who took this photo and how did it get into the public domain? Was it a member of staff? Why would it be released. There is something rotten in the State of Denmark!! It is apparent from the photo that he was aware of it being taken but I am sure he did'nt anticipate it ending up where it did.
I usually go to the first Warwick races fixture in January. I see the effort Warwick Racecourse puts into making it family friendly is incredible. These are the future race goers. I can’t imagine decent parents wanting to expose their kids to this. Very sad.
I seem to be one of the very few people that thinks this is a massive over reaction. A trainer will treat a horse like a child, Elliot would've been shaken by this event on his gallops and was not thinking clearly. The hand gesture is clearly saying "two mins mate" to someone. I think he needed to address it, explain the context but some big owners put horses with him and have done for long time so there cannot be any question that Gordon Elliot has nothing but the horses welfare at heart. For Betfair to take the moral high ground (a company that sells gambling) is just a joke and Cheverly Park moving their horses just hinders their chances of winning so close to Cheltenham is a disservice to the racing industry as a whole as Paul Nicolls said earlier its a massive disruption for a horse to change yards. Hope it blows over but the day n age we live in it will follow him around until he calls it quits which for a great trainer is a great shame.
Well put for those who have no idea of the operation of a racing yard. He is more than likely talking to the knackery and following proper protocol to have the carcass disposed of professionally and also dealing with the trauma and shock of what's just happened and another 100 things he's got to do.
He needs to have his license revoked don’t come back to Britain with you’re horses hope all you’re owners find new trainers he deserves all he get were all animal lovers he makes his fortunes out of horses so needs to lose his livelihood absolute joke this could open up more cases he’s sorry because he got caught banned from training horses
Are you all vegans to..?? Do you care how animals are treated when you're eating your meals..?? Some of you need to come down off your high horses here. (pun intended).
There are at LEAST two elements to this story . One is Gordon Elliot's really stupid and insensitive behaviour . He IS and WILL pay dearly , for his antics . The other is the story doing the rounds in Co Kildare this morning -- and if we are to believe the story - It's a case of --- ' Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned .' It seems that one of Mr Elliot's prior lovers - the daughter of very well known Irish Trainer - had this photograph in her possession for some considerable time and decided to release it to do maximum damage to Mr Elliot - some two weeks before Cheltenham . Really RUTHLESS , VINDICTIVE stuff.
No matter what Gordon elliott has achieved in his career it will be over shadowed by one picture... Who was the brains and the idiot who decided to take the picture should be at fault aswell.. Yes ban Elliott for a year or 2 but remember he has about 80 staff who might be losing their jobs and also feel for the owners
You asked for a alternative for the Supreme, " Keskonrisk" huge price 33/1 Gordon's not going to be able to walk into a winners enclosure again without being Booed, it's a massive mistake he made and one that will follow him for the rest of his life, that's sad but that's the life i see for him now and I was a big Elliot fan.
Well said. People need to not judge a man on one mistake. And also not to assume the worst intentions behind the incident itself. Assuming this is an isolated incident then lets hope a fair punishment is given and people learn to forgive a moment of thoughtlessness.
I'm sorry but I am sick of hearing the horse racing community say these horses are so well looked after because yes I'm sure most of them are but do you know why? NOT because these people love or care for their wellbeing for that horses own sake (as why an earth would you then go and put that animal at risk of falling and being killed if you truly cared) but instead they will be looked after SIMPLY to make profit from them, as we all know an unhappy mistreated horse won't run well and make these greedy human beings money now will they? greedy gross humans at their best sums up horse racing as a sport. Also, the poor horse who died that this sicko George Elliot was training had a heart attack probs because it was pumped with steriods or some nonsense. Honestly the man needs to be banned for life, that's his own issue, he bought this on himself, end of. I hope the same goes for that other gross human Rob James who did the same thing.
its sad enough seeing a horse getting injured jumping a fence or hurdle even dying but seeing a dead horse being used in this way it's very disappointing this picture has put racing back 20 years, very sad
All the comments that are sent in there no one person mentioned the 500 plus runners gordan has sent out this year youd always pick them out in the parade ring they are always turned out top class by all of his staff one 20 seconds of a mistake by gordan and everyone seems to think hes the cruellest man youd meet theres a lot worse things going on in the world
The BHA should be concentrating on sorting out all their own shite and should have left this to the IHRB to deal with, as is the normal practice! They have routinely failed to deal with the Queens mate who has tried to disappear more women than the provos! Let them start there and warn him off. Just one of many issues they need to deal with before they stick their nose into the business of the IHRB!
It is awful to see,an absolute moment of madness,but by taking his licence off him you are putting all his staff and workforce in a big hole,surely they must be another way of punishing him without affecting all the innocent people involved with this stable.
@@bengykeller36 how an earth is that a strong stance? are you kidding? how vile of a human must you be to still send your horse to this man who has shown complete disrespect to someone else's horse who died and this gross fat man sat on the horse smiling after it had just passed? are you crazy.
We are all judging a man's life on one pic that took less than a second to take,all so quick to cancel him for a pic that doesn't look good in the context of animal welfare,there is no dignified ending for a horse,this horse was going to be dragged to its last resting place by a rope around its legs,Gordon deals with these types of situations on regular basis,and by the looks of it he is hands on,the fact is,this photo was taken by the person having a distasteful joke with a message reading new work rider,and Gordon on the phone would of reacted to this joke,inside one second,pic taken,distasteful undignified and wrong on many levels but all it says about gordon is he made a mistake which makes him human,we live in a age where people love to get upset, and see successful people get cancelled,all we need is a fine,a short ban and move on
U can’t be serious mate. I’ve spoken to fifty people and none of them would Ever ever sit on a dead horse!!!!! Not even for a joke. Especially a bloody horse trainer. It’s beyond sick and offensive!
It doesn't matter about that it's an image from a racing stable it could be random person doing it it's still bizarre it goes against the unspoken laws of our lives. Its perverted.
Who says that this was only one moment of madness. Also why exactly would the photo be taken. Would it be for insurance for owners? One man had his arms folded so wasn’t all messing. Just curious. Some price to pay. Hard to sell racing to some of my friends at moment.
Who’s this guy on the right. Telling me if I don’t like to see a so called jockey pretending to ride a dead horse for a laugh it’s the wrong sport for me. He shouldn’t be in the sport coming away with a comment like that . I love horse racing , but to think a professional jockey is riding a dead horse and laughing makes me sick. He should be banned for life. As for Mr Elliot couldn’t he have took the phone call and stepped away from the horse. It’s making me think that maybe these so called professionals are just in it for the money and see these horses as just a bit of meat.
Elliot should be banned for 5 years He has brought the racing industry into dispute Dead Horses should be given the respect they deserve That horse alive was treated with respect and after death should be continued
Find it odd there were 3 rumours out about him at the same time and this has made another come out since. Does seem like a swirl of issues blown up at once and you have to wonder is someone on a personal vendetta to get him. Knowing they had real fuel to the fire.
I’ve calmed a bit now. I was a bit hasty in my judgement yesterday. I wouldn’t like to see Gordon Elliott be hung out to dry. But I do think the Irish board will have to ban him to satisfy the masses . Hopefully not too long a ban. He’s made a mistake . As for the jockey with the other picture riding the horse . He’s been set up like a kipper with the other 2 filming it. They are just as bad egging him on and laughing. What this is going to do is put a stain on Cheltenham in 2 weeks and people will wonder what is really going on at these yards when the owners aren’t there.
Several things are certain regarding the Gordon Elliot case. If his name had been DOCTOR Gordon Elliot and he had been wearing a Stethoscope - and he had been performing open heart surgery on the horse , without an anaesthetic - we all know NOTHING would happen to him . If he was a JUDGE sitting on the Horse - instead of a trainer - AGAIN nothing would happen . If he was a member of the CLERGY in the same situation - the same thing . If he was a POLITICIAN on the dead horse -- he would probably get a PAY rise. The ELITES in our REPUBLIC can get away with BLUE MURDER - LITERALLY . Mr Elliot will be hung out to DRY .
I think Gordon realizes what a huge mistake he’s after making and I’d say he’ll learn a lot from the whole pile of shit he’s after landing himself in. However he didn’t kill the horse and I don’t think he should be judged on the photo, I wouldn’t say it’s something he does on a regular basis. I honestly think it’s probably his only time he done something stupid like this and I think it’s not a coincidence that the photo was put out two weeks before Cheltenham, nothing would surprise me these days especially after the Charles burns incident recently. I also think the BHA should concentrate on sorting the recent mess there in and leave it to the IHRB to sort it, a lot of big owners that own a lot of good horses in Gordon’s yard will suffer for a stupid decision Gordon made a few years ago, don’t think that’s fair they put a huge amount of money into the game
With Gigginstown scaling back operations Its gonna be a struggle for him after his ban. (if he does get a ban). Remember hearing something on FFP about how gordon had gone out and sourced new owners. The likes of Cheveley Park etc. Because he knew he would be having less and less gigginstown horses over the next few years. Fair enough gigginstown has stuck with him. But how is he going to attractnew owners. What happens after gigginstown is totally scaled back?
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt after initially reading the breaking story and his justification of it. Subsequently seeing the actual photoade it harder to believe the context given. Having said that, I'd put more weight on how he treats his living horses which by all accounts is very well. It's hard to judge from without and not always wise to try.
As an outsider , I finding myself taking a different stance on horse racing and horses welfare within racing. I understand horses can injure themselves in a field but when horses are injured and are killed for sport, my thoughts of horse racing have changed. As for the picture of Gordon Elliott, which is just abhorrent and only strengthen my changing thoughts on horse racing.
I fear that this will blow over very quickly and will be forgotten, okay so sometimes that needs to happen if a person makes a silly mistake and learns by it. But my worry is that if a top trainer behaves in this manner then what must he allow to go on in his stables? There needs to be a thorough investigation into the whole running of his yard, employees all interviewed. There is a good chance this will continue otherwise.
Working in racing I agree with some they say but I also see the insides of this sport and care for the horses! Sounds mad....working in this industry I don't really like it or agree with certain rules or things I see, but I do it for the love of horses, and to try and give them as much love attention, and affection they truly deserve!
All the questions are around Cheltenham, will he or won't he be allowed to go and simply the answer is no he shouldn't as this will over shadow what all the other trainers, owners and everyone who works hard in all the stables throughout the UK and Ireland strive towards every single year and the question all will ask if he were to win a few races is that should this of been allowed. This investigation should take it's course and not be rushed just because of Cheltenham, the sensible choice is to suspend his license for however long they see fit and serve a punishment for such a unforgivable moment of madness
Some member of the Elliott team, should be given a caretakers license, so the horses can be given their chance at Cheltenham! It's not the horses, owners, stable staff, and many more connected with the yard's fault, that they also are having to take the brunt, of this individual's act!
@@darrenremington6422 That's what I think will happen. All the Giggistown horses and the likes of Galvin Zayaner etc will be trained by Gordon's assistant.
There is a fine line between misjudgment and negligence and his moment of madness will unfortunately be the talking point up to and leading into Cheltenham. I have no idea what he must have been thinking at the time and I’m certain had he thought for a split second about the consequence of his actions he wouldn’t have put himself and the sport under this dark cloud.
did he kill the horse? would the horse have revived had he not sit on it's carcass? does being insensitive means you commit a crime? How many of us pass a hungry people in rain and cold like they don't count and all this over a ALREADY DEAD HORSE, come the f*&k on
@@bengykeller36 and horses are born to run and are always being sat on so what? This world is filled with assh*led posing as people who care. Look how many horses are slaughtered after their racing careers are over and sitting on a dead one cause this effect? really?
I think it is worth mentioning the limp (and that's being kind) response from the Racing Post site to the Elliott story. Very little, if any, outright condemnation. It is almost as if they want you to in some way feel sorry for him. Why? As someone said if this had been stable staff they would have been long gone.
I’m out the door with Gordo.... the BHA are a complete disgrace. If anyone has never made a mistake, your a liar... 2021, cancel culture, the snowflake era, the far left media .... all out to get him. I stand with Gordo....
Racing is united with this issue and Gordon will pay the price, serve his time through a ban. What racing should also add to the case is do not let the person who posted this vile photo get away without punishment.
Well, personally I think he made a mistake and was not thinking. No one is perfect but still, a tacky thing to do. Basically I'd like to know how all these commenters here and on horse racing sites feel about animal abuse by many groups but they are willing to get their pitchforks out for this mistake. Fry him wouldn't be enough, so it seems.
Gordon Elliot picture, I thought before I saw it it was because he'd just lost the horse and sat on it by accident because of loss - but no just shows his character no compassion straddled over it smiling - disgrace , a poor excuse for a man 😡
IME not a racing man but love ALL animals ,this man made a big big mistake and not in good taste at all .but come on life happens and people make mistakes .give him a chance we all like a chance when we feck up .
The healing power of a compassionate mind. Yes what happened is beyond logic or reasoning. But you know gordan elliot climbed to the top by getting every ounce of his average horses back in the day. He achieved that by looking after these equine individuals on a level not seen before. That included meeting every need of the horse. Some will remove their horses but I would ask in as possible a calm light as is possible to present owners to see the remarkable symbiotic relationship he had with his horses over the last decade to include welfare , care, attention to detail, before they decide to remove them. The healing power of a compassionate mind. Reflect before you move.
Is it as bad as punching a horse in the head? Davy Russell seems to be the media’s darling after he did that, maybe Gordon will get to co-host itv racing with Matt champion after this, it’s completely disgusting what he has done but people tend to get past things faster than you think, also his excuse was laughable but that stupid it’s possibly true.
What about Frankie dettori and the drug scandal is he not the media darling now ang the godolphin trainer with the doping of horse's which cost Camelot a triple crown not whole on the racing channel back then about it or from other trainer's that's because he worked for sheikh Mohammed which it will all come out shortly about him we'll see how many presenter's or trainer's will call for his head none they'll be afraid with all the money he puts into English racing hypocrites
@@blairfoley7404 Also N Henderson drugged a horse and let it run,Being one off the old guard it was quickly forgotten. The timing of whoever released this pic tells me Gordon's made a few enemies.
I thinks it’s disgusting. And the video of the jockey doing the same. Makes you wonder how often it happens. Why these pictures and videos that are years old are being released is strange. I’m disappointed at some pundits and online racing bloggers that have avoided commenting all together . What going on here ? Scared it’ll break links in racing to further there careers ? Gordon will be a target as soon as crowds return. Will never ever ever go away.
Everyone doing a good job of keeping up appearances for the media here. People that work in racing knows what goes on behind the scenes. It doesn’t look good, he’s had a bad moment no doubt but seriously, he didn’t kill the horse. Witch hunt
What a world we live in! So many Men shedding a tear....................its not like GE or the Jockey killed anyone is it? So its given some anti racing "tree huggers" some rocks to throw. Give GE a year off but not for sitting on the beast but for allowing that twat of a jockey to do so. And hand the Jock a Red Card for 3 months then lets move on. There are a lot more things that go on in racing than sitting on a dead horse.............
It's an absolute embarrassment .. in what circumstances can one come to sitting on a dead horse posing like an idiot .. even worse it would appear it's not an isolated incident with Rob James today 😡 ... I would have assumed any normal person would be distraught after losing a horse ... I remember being at fairyhouse when witchita Lineman fell and seen ap sitting on the turf with the horse , he was in bits ....... this shit this week has brought more attention to the sport than Cheltenham will and all of it bad
The photograph was disgusting. Gordon has brought the sport into disrepute in the worst possible manner. But has he committed a criminal act? Has he broke a rule of racing? We must believe that he was not responsible for the death of this horse. What is clear is that there is no cruelty involved or negligence. And what of the low-life that posted the photograph? Why? The damage he has done to the sport is too enormous for him to be punished with a fine. I hope, though, he does not get a ban greater than the one imposed on Charles Byrnes.
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To me on first viewing disgusted over it however why is this only surfacing now??! I think there’s more to come...a mistake like this has ruined him and he’ll never recover.. I do worry for his mental health in all this. We’re all very quick to judge but we’ve all made mistakes some small some huge..world is tough enough so try be kind.
1 - 2/yr license suspension. The integrity of the Sport is at question.
Does anyone know which horse it was?
Serious ban needed
A horse called Morgan
He showed no respect for that horse, who was one of many who line his pockets, Life time ban on anything to do with horses, even the fibreglass ones on a carousel...
The picture is pretty damning with Gordon smiling. I personally found the image in very bad taste and think Gordon should be banned for bringing the sport into disripute, probably for 6-9 months, maybe longer. However, my real concern is the way this is going to be perceived by those that either dislike racing, or just want it banned will see this as an ideal oppotunity to build up demonstrations again and likely will put a stop to some big profile races.
The really sad thing about this picture is how it has ruined so much good press about how well racehorses are looked after these days and that just about everyone involved in racing stables are there because they love horses.
The hypocrisy of the BHA. A man sits on a dead horse and is banned within 48hrs. A man keeps his daughter prisoner and not a peep out of them.
gordon elliott will have to accept that his licence will be revoked for quite sometime. if at sometime he will want to return i think he must be allowed to. i dont think you can restrict anybody wishing to ply their trade in any chosen vocation. i also think that legally it may be tricky to ban him forever
His problem is some see him as a bunch of scruff and are not backing him at all........he will lose everything rightly ot wrongly
The max he will get is 3 months ban
Forget racing, in simple terms of humanity those images of Elliott and James are just horrendous. Does anyone believe that every person in every stable is squeaky clean? How many more stories are out there? How many have been buried? The only question regarding timing is why was this footage not exposed at the time? Punishment cannot be seen to be lenient.
Tritonic finished off impressively but was he more impressive than Redicean who won the race a couple of years ago? You would have got pretty long odds on that horse never winning another hurdle race.
Still completely ignoring Bear Ghylls for the Ballymore?
What is this guy talking about??..its not a matter of knowing people's 1st name its about respect..if my dog died tomorrow I wouldn't sit on him..GE is obviously an arrogant and self indulgent man,but this incident shouldn't be used to castigate the overwhelming majority of people who dedicate their lives to the welfare of horses..
you meant: The minority of people.
An awful awful situation but please show respect and care for GE. I am sure his family will help him. I just hope his friends do the same. We can't criticise him for lack of respect and then show him no respect as a human being.
of course what he done was wrong no doubt....but now seen that were on this..lets get some photos out there at halal abbatoirs...and see how live animals really suffer
Larry. This has nothing to do with live animals
@@billyboy733 why not ?..billy
How about those who know Gordon well stick up for him just a little bit.
The picture is horribly damning and I can see why the public outside of racing are appalled. But it seems not only outsiders but also racing fans and people in the industry are satisfied to see this picture in the worst possible light and except no other explanation of intention. Pretty cold.
Surely those in the industry know Gordon and how he treats his horses. Assuming, as I have read no different, that he has successfully managed and taken care of 100's, likely 1000's of horses then we need to frame judgements to include this as well. You don't train a dual GN winner, who also won a triumph at 4 without taking good care of your horses.
Do I think Gordon intimately cared for the horse that died, no not really, but then should I necessarily expect/demand him to. He has 100's of horse in his yard and likely spreads himself thin. His owners, especially the big ones, pay him to win races not to fall in love with their horse. I would expect most large trainers to be relatively cold in general to the individual horse compared to smaller yards. But importantly I don't think Gordon would treat a living horse badly.
Isolated thoughtless momentary errors of this nature don't deserve a punishment of banishment that some are demanding.
So personally whilst I hope Gordon is reprimanded, I hope that he is forgiven and allowed to learn from this and return as a trainer in the near future. I also hope others forgive him and lessen their seeming desire for blood. Hate the Sin, not the Sinner.
Hate the Sin not the Sinner' well put
nialll...i couldn't have put it better myself
Why does the sinner get a free pass ?
@@bramolini4835 Who's offering a free pass?
What is a free pass? Perhaps it's subjective. But whatever the outcome of an investigation he's likely going through hell at the moment. Horse racing being literally his life blood.
Besides punishment and hate are different things.
Good to see O'Leary sticking by him.
You would never see Nicky Henderson in a picture like this. I think that says more about Elliott than Henderson.
This has sent racing back at least 20 years, racing needs to appeal to the wider world and this has done it no favours. The point of this to me is what type of person sits on any animal that has sadly died and poses for a picture , its perverse and tells alot about the character of the man. I love racing but racing needs to grow a bone and condemn the man not just the act.
Feel so sad for the staff and the horses, the bond the would of had to horses leaving the yaurd now, and jobs in danger.
Who cares, they all contribute to the cruel sport and only care (or not care in this case) for these horses so they can make profit from them whilst the horses risk their lives. Joke.
the fact that rob James did the same makes it look like its sort of sick inside joke or thing to do.im normally willing to forgive but not now and what else is going to come out were not finished yet.
Gordon Elliott and now Rob James, how many more woodlice are going to come out of the woodwork?
There's going to be a shit ton coming out, papers will be hunting and willing to pay
Good point tip of the iceberg
There’s talk that another big Irish trainer is about to go too. The week or so after Cheltenham before aintree. Apparently the labs over in Ireland are holding back information on blood tests of his horses
Drugs Drink and Race Fixing its systematically a very abusive industry and lifestyle full of weirdos, Kate Harrington's timing was Spot On, Jessy's daughter Elliot's ex she held this picture years
I thought this broadcast was live ? Obviously not or they would know envoi Allen is going to henry de bromhead for example
@Ray Ray Cheveley Park announced it earlier today it's on one of at the races video's
They record it on a Monday
@@martynjago9030 oh I see that makes sense now
Correct i thought the same NOT LIVE
For weeks I’ve sat watching this show thinking it went out live so which questions at end does Vanessa ask from public it’s certainly not mine which I put to panel on LIVE chat , another LIE from ur tel-lie-vision, let’s not have LIVE chat on anymore ATR it’s a illusion
I run a pub in the uk which with the regulars has through syndication shares in 7 horses, there can be no sitting on the fence with this matter, Gordon Elliott must be held totally responsible for his actions and should be shown no leniency with the punishment, those in racing realise it was a one off and all of the stables that iv'e experienced have always been exemplary in their treatment and care of the horses, those involved in racing should come together and demand a significant ban of several years for Gordon at the very minimum, he should be warned off every racecourse as well for the duration of the ban. Racing can ill afford to let this slip just because of his position as one of the very top trainers and his high profile owners, racing should show the public how these wonderful animals are looked after in other stables to prove that Mr Elliott is a one off and racehorses are looked after very well. In the past trainers have suffered huge bans and fines for stopping horses or jockeys having involvement in unusual betting patterns, this with Gordon Elliott, i feel is far more serious than any of those cases and should have far greater punishment. To finish, i'm disgusted by what has happened and my opinion of this trainer has fallen off a cliff, he has gone from someone i admired as a racehorse trainer to someone i wouldn't let drink in my pub and he would be asked to leave.
What a ridiculous overreaction
@@geoffreymuller4858 Geoff has obviously never owned horses, if that was my horse he was sat on after it had just died, or dog or any family pet i would be having serious words with him, unfortunately we still have people around like Geoff but luckily they are in the minority thankfully
@@AaronSmith-is6ml im sure in your profession you have seen people make mistakes and bad judgements ......its a bit ott to want him punished for life .....get over it and I have been a horse owner
@@mickeydthebookiebasher Mick, i have made mistakes and been punished for them, also i have seen many people make mistakes obviously in my trade but a couple of years ban is hardly too much punishment for what he did, when he's served his time for the crime he should be allowed to return, you must remember these horses have put him in a very privileged position, making him millions every year out of something he enjoys, horses are not a commodity which you should understand being an owner,they become part of the family and for a trainer to show no respect when they die in my eyes is unacceptable, but that is just my opinion which you should get over
@@AaronSmith-is6ml oh I'm over it......i thought it was an overreaction on your part to say you would ask him to leave your premises that's all...I agree he will be banned and probably won't appeal it ....but he didn't kill the horse ...yes it was a daft thing to do....best of luck in the future 👍
I quite like the idea of racing cartels being broken up.....mullins and Elliot got too many
He has to go and I don’t think there is any way back for him, it’s the only way the industry can recover from this mess !!
Can't blink this many times in a minute let alone 5 seconds, 3:17 onwards its a frenzy on all accounts.
Well said Tony you couldn't have eluded to it better. Gordon Elliott is not all bad.
I agree it's just I cannot understand how in any circumstances a horse dies and someone takes a seat on it ... and after today it looks like a trend 😡
Can you imagine what the late John McCririck's reaction would have been to this obnoxious trainer....no sitting on the fence for big John or horse for that matter
100 percent, watch ITV's coverage Saturday, they'll be giving their half arsed views, watered down
Spot on mate
👍🏻
@@TribalThief Matt Chapman is already having sympathy for Elliott after first condemning him
They say John mccririck is suspected to of leaked it
Mad mistake to make, he will pay through losing horses, owners. I personally would forgive him and hope his mental health will be ok.
here,here anthony.look at tthe caroline flack last year
Spot on. We can’t let the far left drive Gordon’s mental health to a dangerous state....
@@iminc5498 , jUST an opinion , but it is something you might do under the influence of drugs or alcohol. He cannot admit this either.
@@Marjopolo302 neither criminal nor cruelty took place, where is the voice of reason....to destroy a person's career over a momentarily lapse of thought is wrong....trial by social media and the far left media have more blood on the hands than Gordo ever will. BHA are a disgrace also
@@iminc5498 people do it as normal part of life you all stand back and watch individuals scapegoated in workplaces in social circles families everywhere you come together you do it in one form or another what's different about this guy.
There is no reason or logic to people most of you partake in such behavior and are completely unconscious of it because of your perception of it and circumstance and environment etc.
@ROBERT. we all know he made a mistake. But nobody is bigger than a sport and can get away with it. He will get punished and will come back eventually. But the damage done and the ammo given to Activists like PETA wont go away, it endangers the future of the sport and the people earning a living from it. Things like this need to stop from happening. People are angry about the picture ofc but angrier at the damage done to the image of the sport and its future. The picture doesnt reflect the care and attention these horses get by very hardworking yard staff. its a massive insult to them tbh.
It doesnt really endanger the future of the sport unless you let it. And I understand what you are saying, I agree with you but what I admire about O'Leary is that he sticks to his guns, he is not persuaded by outside pressure or the public image etc...that's what I mean when I say it wont hurt the future of the sport unless you let it (meaning all the top people involved in the running of horse racing). Thats why in Ireland things are run differently than Britain, in Ireland its run by horse racing people through and through whereas in Britain, its the do -gooders and the sort, the types that bow down to activists, pc bridgade etc etc. and you get a terribly watered down product as a result, as you can see in television programs, news, talk shows etc, its never ending. He made a big mistake but, I dont go with the one strike and you're out mentality that many here are condoning.
Both Elliott and James have not made one unfortunate mistake! They have already forgotten the plight of the dead animal, posing on it, having a joke, get rid of it for the next unfortunate horse to take its place! These horses are well looked after and so they should be....they have hard, dangerous lives. Very few make it to a happy retirement.
@@oxygenpom1606 nicely put oxy
@@frizzyred1292 I am not saying he should never train horses again. Everybody deserve a second chance. I am sure he will be back. he is a top trainer. He made one big mistake in his career maybe ever. what I am saying is people need to learn form this whole situation, certain behavior is unacceptable especially when you make a living out of it. The reality of racing is that some horses will go wrong inevitable during their career, the last thing you would expect , is someone having some fun with their dead body and posing like a trophy hunter on safari in Africa. That is what angers me.
@@subfreeze9354 Yea I agree, I understand. When training horses the reality is you are going to be around dead horses alot and its inevitable that its going to numb you somewhat emotionally which in turn might lead you to doing something silly like what Gordon has done.
Chevely park stud have taken ten horses from gordon sending them to mullins and bromehead stables..envoi allen gone to bromehead
Hope everyone is firmly off the fence today
Those so brazen about death are often crass bullies (or worse) in life.
Elliot should be totally ashamed of himself. His licence should be removed immediately!
All 3 presenters have really improved for the experience of these shows over this season and I can’t wait to see the shows again next season when they go from novices to open company. It’s a big step up but it looks like they are already there.
Are you done with videos?
@@adambeagley5796 hi mate, nah I’m not to be fair mate. I was tempted to do one this season in January but by that point I’d already gotten quite a lot of bigger prices about my selections and it felt like I would be aftertiming. Will do them properly next season
@@CheltenhamCrazy yeah stick at it. Antepost videos always do well. Could always do a Cheltenham selections video for this year?
@AntePost King don’t answer him Jaso. It’s Wayne Harrison he’s a cock. Doesn’t matter if you’re on at 100/1 he will desperately try and one up you. Does it to everyone across loads of videos
@AntePost King stop watching their videos then
Top man Barry, miss watching you on the track....Best of luck for the future
If I had horses with him, id stand by him and support him. He made a mistake, but he is going to suffer indefinitely for it. Thats enough punishment. I do also believe he has been stitched up by someone. If the person who leaked this really was concerned about the horses welfare it would have been brought before an established body of authority within horse racing not put on Twitter to shame all of horse racing because in a broader context that is what they have done.
He sat on a dead horse by his own choice smiling and posing for pic. By stitched up you mean photo leaked . Still makes him guilty of such a stupid action 2 week before racing Olympics.
Maybe that’s why you don’t have a horse frizzy? With a judgement capacity like that
@@bengykeller36 I believe in forgiveness.
Your right why did the pic get leaked just before Cheltenham?
A scorned missus frizzy
Vanessa is a really good host. She's calm, allows the guests their say, without interrupting. It's intelligent analysis and cares for the business as do Gary and Barry
Thats her job,shes only talking,still rather listen to a man,they talk more sense,more knowledgeable
I don’t believe it was a moment of stupidity, , Gordon Elliott has been caught out , that callousness was always there , same with the jockey in the film doing the same , it’s the men laughing around it and seeing that poor animal dead and they think it’s a joke. I have recently lost my beloved mare to colic , I held her head on my knees and my heart was broken as she slipped away , to desecrate her body is something no true horse owner would ever do under any circumstances. That was not a moment of madness Gordon it was the unpalatable truth , no getting away from it.
I wonder where Mr O’Leary or should that read Mr Contrary be putting his horses now. I cannot understand how he can stand by Gordon Elliot given that he must surely be given at minimum a lengthy ban.
Thats the way he is. Wasnt really surprised to see the OLearys jump straight out and support him probably didnt bother them that much.
We now have a jockey connected to him and the stud doing the same thing, so matters have got worse since this recording. It sadly wasn’t an isolated incident as we all would have hoped.
Hi, what else has been found ? Who has covered this new news ?
@ Edward Ferry; Very suspicious and sinister this whole thing. No excuses for GE as he could easily have said NO to such an unwise, dodgy 'photo opportunity' I'd wager he's fairly intelligent and world savvy to have foresaw the potential danger of what he was doing, but I still fear he's been properly "shafted" even done up like the proverbial kipper. Stinks to high heaven this does
@@kellybrown4937 a video of a jockey doing the same thing .. the jockey rides for Elliot and the horse I think is another of the Ryanair guy. It’s on the Racing post, the story that is. I haven’t seen or wouldn’t watch the video.
@@edwardferry8247 The jockey rides for Colin Bowe.....get your facts straight
Kate Harrington's Timing was spot on
One question that as far I can see has not been asked; Who took this photo and how did it get into the public domain? Was it a member of staff? Why would it be released. There is something rotten in the State of Denmark!! It is apparent from the photo that he was aware of it being taken but I am sure he did'nt anticipate it ending up where it did.
I usually go to the first Warwick races fixture in January. I see the effort Warwick Racecourse puts into making it family friendly is incredible. These are the future race goers. I can’t imagine decent parents wanting to expose their kids to this. Very sad.
I seem to be one of the very few people that thinks this is a massive over reaction. A trainer will treat a horse like a child, Elliot would've been shaken by this event on his gallops and was not thinking clearly. The hand gesture is clearly saying "two mins mate" to someone. I think he needed to address it, explain the context but some big owners put horses with him and have done for long time so there cannot be any question that Gordon Elliot has nothing but the horses welfare at heart.
For Betfair to take the moral high ground (a company that sells gambling) is just a joke and Cheverly Park moving their horses just hinders their chances of winning so close to Cheltenham is a disservice to the racing industry as a whole as Paul Nicolls said earlier its a massive disruption for a horse to change yards.
Hope it blows over but the day n age we live in it will follow him around until he calls it quits which for a great trainer is a great shame.
I agree. Every single word. 👍
Well put for those who have no idea of the operation of a racing yard. He is more than likely talking to the knackery and following proper protocol to have the carcass disposed of professionally and also dealing with the trauma and shock of what's just happened and another 100 things he's got to do.
Elliott very very wrong but you are right about the hipocrites and a lot of them are trainers
He needs to have his license revoked don’t come back to Britain with you’re horses hope all you’re owners find new trainers he deserves all he get were all animal lovers he makes his fortunes out of horses so needs to lose his livelihood absolute joke this could open up more cases he’s sorry because he got caught banned from training horses
Are you all vegans to..??
Do you care how animals are treated when you're eating your meals..??
Some of you need to come down off your high horses here. (pun intended).
Why even bother asking a question on this show,Iv asked two over the last month and no answer.
Vanessa very bias. Will only ask what’s suits her
Awh u poor thing
@Bengy Keller Biased, not 'bias'.
Who took the photograph????
Good question ?????????
There are at LEAST two elements to this story . One is Gordon Elliot's really stupid and insensitive behaviour .
He IS and WILL pay dearly , for his antics .
The other is the story doing the rounds in Co Kildare this morning -- and if we are to believe the story - It's a case of ---
' Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned .'
It seems that one of Mr Elliot's prior lovers - the daughter of very well known Irish Trainer - had this photograph in her possession for some considerable time and decided to release it to do maximum damage to Mr Elliot - some two weeks before Cheltenham .
Really RUTHLESS , VINDICTIVE stuff.
Because of lockdown I watch ATR every day and the number of horses that go wrong is now on a daily occurrence ?
That has kinda been the case for a while now Ernest? Like since racing began what ever many decades ago
A little hypocritical maybe
if it had been a member of elliotts stable staff they would have been sacked on the spot and never allowed to work in horse racing again.
Good comment pretty sure your correct.
Correct!!!!
Fair comment
No matter what Gordon elliott has achieved in his career it will be over shadowed by one picture... Who was the brains and the idiot who decided to take the picture should be at fault aswell.. Yes ban Elliott for a year or 2 but remember he has about 80 staff who might be losing their jobs and also feel for the owners
Gordon elliot should hand back his licence he has let the sport down
You asked for a alternative for the Supreme, " Keskonrisk" huge price 33/1
Gordon's not going to be able to walk into a winners enclosure again without being Booed, it's a massive mistake he made and one that will follow him for the rest of his life, that's sad but that's the life i see for him now and I was a big Elliot fan.
Gorden. Has made a hundertis mistake and will pay the price for that. But to suggest his horses are not looked after is way of the mark.
Well said. People need to not judge a man on one mistake. And also not to assume the worst intentions behind the incident itself. Assuming this is an isolated incident then lets hope a fair punishment is given and people learn to forgive a moment of thoughtlessness.
@@niall3973 Well said
I'm sorry but I am sick of hearing the horse racing community say these horses are so well looked after because yes I'm sure most of them are but do you know why? NOT because these people love or care for their wellbeing for that horses own sake (as why an earth would you then go and put that animal at risk of falling and being killed if you truly cared) but instead they will be
looked after SIMPLY to make profit from them, as we all know an unhappy mistreated horse won't run well and make these greedy human beings money now will they? greedy gross humans at their best sums up horse racing as a sport. Also, the poor horse who died that this sicko George Elliot was training had a heart attack probs because it was pumped with steriods or some nonsense. Honestly the man needs to be banned for life, that's his own issue, he bought this on himself, end of. I hope the
same goes for that other gross human Rob James who did the same thing.
its sad enough seeing a horse getting injured jumping a fence or hurdle even dying but seeing a dead horse being used in this way it's very disappointing this picture has put racing back 20 years, very sad
Gerrity should have said no comment on it. It is easy to kick a Man when he's down.
And apparently it's easy to sit on a horse when it's dead whilst grinning & doing a V sign.
All the comments that are sent in there no one person mentioned the 500 plus runners gordan has sent out this year youd always pick them out in the parade ring they are always turned out top class by all of his staff one 20 seconds of a mistake by gordan and everyone seems to think hes the cruellest man youd meet theres a lot worse things going on in the world
not the point
It's who took the pic and why they released it just before Cheltenham that makes me wonder what Gordon's done 2 upset someone to want to ruin him.
The BHA should be concentrating on sorting out all their own shite and should have left this to the IHRB to deal with, as is the normal practice! They have routinely failed to deal with the Queens mate who has tried to disappear more women than the provos! Let them start there and warn him off. Just one of many issues they need to deal with before they stick their nose into the business of the IHRB!
It is awful to see,an absolute moment of madness,but by taking his licence off him you are putting all his staff and workforce in a big hole,surely they must be another way of punishing him without affecting all the innocent people involved with this stable.
Ban the whole lot, staff and all. Lifetime ban
He would never train a horse of mine again , if i was a owner.
Jeez Barry that’s a very strong stance
@@bengykeller36 thats how strong i feel about the photo
Jail Barry. Or nothing
@@bengykeller36 how an earth is that a strong stance? are you kidding? how vile of a human must you be to still send your horse to this man who has shown complete disrespect to someone else's horse who died and this gross fat man sat on the horse smiling after it had just passed? are you crazy.
@@김아름-w8l who are you asking Jennie????
We are all judging a man's life on one pic that took less than a second to take,all so quick to cancel him for a pic that doesn't look good in the context of animal welfare,there is no dignified ending for a horse,this horse was going to be dragged to its last resting place by a rope around its legs,Gordon deals with these types of situations on regular basis,and by the looks of it he is hands on,the fact is,this photo was taken by the person having a distasteful joke with a message reading new work rider,and Gordon on the phone would of reacted to this joke,inside one second,pic taken,distasteful undignified and wrong on many levels but all it says about gordon is he made a mistake which makes him human,we live in a age where people love to get upset, and see successful people get cancelled,all we need is a fine,a short ban and move on
well said
U can’t be serious mate. I’ve spoken to fifty people and none of them would Ever ever sit on a dead horse!!!!! Not even for a joke. Especially a bloody horse trainer. It’s beyond sick and offensive!
@@gavinjosephs3486 I am serious, I'll repeat ,distasteful undignified and wrong on so many levels
It doesn't matter about that it's an image from a racing stable it could be random person doing it it's still bizarre it goes against the unspoken laws of our lives.
Its perverted.
Yes, human beings should never behave in that way. No excuse for them at all.
Hes sat on it,not having sex with it so how his it perveted
People just remember one thing a picture never tells the full story
For sure...helps though
@@bmcb3064 not necessarily. A freeze frame can easily obscure the real scenario
Please give us the full story then.
@@stevens9996 unfortunately we don't have that do we, we have a still picture.
Is’nt the photo enough
Who says that this was only one moment of madness. Also why exactly would the photo be taken. Would it be for insurance for owners? One man had his arms folded so wasn’t all messing. Just curious. Some price to pay. Hard to sell racing to some of my friends at moment.
Who’s this guy on the right. Telling me if I don’t like to see a so called jockey pretending to ride a dead horse for a laugh it’s the wrong sport for me. He shouldn’t be in the sport coming away with a comment like that . I love horse racing , but to think a professional jockey is riding a dead horse and laughing makes me sick. He should be banned for life. As for Mr Elliot couldn’t he have took the phone call and stepped away from the horse. It’s making me think that maybe these so called professionals are just in it for the money and see these horses as just a bit of meat.
Elliot should be banned for 5 years
He has brought the racing industry into dispute
Dead Horses should be given the respect they deserve
That horse alive was treated with respect and after death should be continued
Do you check the source of all your meat/dairy products...??
Are they all 100% cruelty free..??
Find it odd there were 3 rumours out about him at the same time and this has made another come out since. Does seem like a swirl of issues blown up at once and you have to wonder is someone on a personal vendetta to get him. Knowing they had real fuel to the fire.
It does not mean they mistreat the horses it was a stupid thing to do and he will pay ror is stupidity who took the photo ??!!.
I’ve calmed a bit now. I was a bit hasty in my judgement yesterday. I wouldn’t like to see Gordon Elliott be hung out to dry. But I do think the Irish board will have to ban him to satisfy the masses . Hopefully not too long a ban. He’s made a mistake . As for the jockey with the other picture riding the horse . He’s been set up like a kipper with the other 2 filming it. They are just as bad egging him on and laughing. What this is going to do is put a stain on Cheltenham in 2 weeks and people will wonder what is really going on at these yards when the owners aren’t there.
Several things are certain regarding the Gordon Elliot case.
If his name had been DOCTOR Gordon Elliot and he had been wearing a Stethoscope - and he had been performing open heart surgery on the horse , without an anaesthetic - we all know NOTHING would happen to him .
If he was a JUDGE sitting on the Horse - instead of a trainer - AGAIN nothing would happen .
If he was a member of the CLERGY in the same situation - the same thing .
If he was a POLITICIAN on the dead horse -- he would probably get a PAY rise.
The ELITES in our REPUBLIC can get away with BLUE MURDER - LITERALLY .
Mr Elliot will be hung out to DRY .
I think Gordon realizes what a huge mistake he’s after making and I’d say he’ll learn a lot from the whole pile of shit he’s after landing himself in. However he didn’t kill the horse and I don’t think he should be judged on the photo, I wouldn’t say it’s something he does on a regular basis. I honestly think it’s probably his only time he done something stupid like this and I think it’s not a coincidence that the photo was put out two weeks before Cheltenham, nothing would surprise me these days especially after the Charles burns incident recently. I also think the BHA should concentrate on sorting the recent mess there in and leave it to the IHRB to sort it, a lot of big owners that own a lot of good horses in Gordon’s yard will suffer for a stupid decision Gordon made a few years ago, don’t think that’s fair they put a huge amount of money into the game
Barry, what do you think of Nicky Henderson's Bothwell bridge for the AB? he looked really good at Hereford.
I hope Blue lord goes for the Supreme, I'm on at 20's and can see him making the frame.
With Gigginstown scaling back operations Its gonna be a struggle for him after his ban. (if he does get a ban). Remember hearing something on FFP about how gordon had gone out and sourced new owners. The likes of Cheveley Park etc. Because he knew he would be having less and less gigginstown horses over the next few years. Fair enough gigginstown has stuck with him. But how is he going to attractnew owners. What happens after gigginstown is totally scaled back?
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt after initially reading the breaking story and his justification of it. Subsequently seeing the actual photoade it harder to believe the context given. Having said that, I'd put more weight on how he treats his living horses which by all accounts is very well. It's hard to judge from without and not always wise to try.
As an outsider , I finding myself taking a different stance on horse racing and horses welfare within racing. I understand horses can injure themselves in a field but when horses are injured and are killed for sport, my thoughts of horse racing have changed. As for the picture of Gordon Elliott, which is just abhorrent and only strengthen my changing thoughts on horse racing.
I fear that this will blow over very quickly and will be forgotten, okay so sometimes that needs to happen if a person makes a silly mistake and learns by it. But my worry is that if a top trainer behaves in this manner then what must he allow to go on in his stables? There needs to be a thorough investigation into the whole running of his yard, employees all interviewed. There is a good chance this will continue otherwise.
Working in racing I agree with some they say but I also see the insides of this sport and care for the horses! Sounds mad....working in this industry I don't really like it or agree with certain rules or things I see, but I do it for the love of horses, and to try and give them as much love attention, and affection they truly deserve!
All the questions are around Cheltenham, will he or won't he be allowed to go and simply the answer is no he shouldn't as this will over shadow what all the other trainers, owners and everyone who works hard in all the stables throughout the UK and Ireland strive towards every single year and the question all will ask if he were to win a few races is that should this of been allowed. This investigation should take it's course and not be rushed just because of Cheltenham, the sensible choice is to suspend his license for however long they see fit and serve a punishment for such a unforgivable moment of madness
That's indeed what it was
Some member of the Elliott team, should be given a caretakers license, so the horses can be given their chance at Cheltenham! It's not the horses, owners, stable staff, and many more connected with the yard's fault, that they also are having to take the brunt, of this individual's act!
@@darrenremington6422 Too right they should. Good idea
@@darrenremington6422 That's what I think will happen. All the Giggistown horses and the likes of Galvin Zayaner etc will be trained by Gordon's assistant.
There is a fine line between misjudgment and negligence and his moment of madness will unfortunately be the talking point up to and leading into Cheltenham. I have no idea what he must have been thinking at the time and I’m certain had he thought for a split second about the consequence of his actions he wouldn’t have put himself and the sport under this dark cloud.
It ll actually be the talking point for the rest of his life
Im more suss about who leaked the pic and why just before Cheltenham.
Duffle Coat, unbeaten in 4 runs so far. One to watch whichever race he goes for.
@michael morley It could run under an assistant trainer like the Giggistown horses probably will.
There needs to be a longer conversation on this not just 2 minutes here and there on different podcasts it cannot be swept under the carpet
They discuss it until 13.20 in the video, what are you talking about
did he kill the horse?
would the horse have revived had he not sit on it's carcass?
does being insensitive means you commit a crime?
How many of us pass a hungry people in rain and cold like they don't count and all this over a ALREADY DEAD HORSE, come the f*&k on
Yeah he did he ran the bollix out of it and then sat on it
@@bengykeller36 and horses are born to run and are always being sat on so what? This world is filled with assh*led posing as people who care. Look how many horses are slaughtered after their racing careers are over and sitting on a dead one cause this effect? really?
Show a gelding operation and people would freak
Well it was a full pose photograph
The only reason tritonic has now went fav is because of the doubt on zanahyir now
I think it is worth mentioning the limp (and that's being kind) response from the Racing Post site to the Elliott story. Very little, if any, outright condemnation. It is almost as if they want you to in some way feel sorry for him. Why? As someone said if this had been stable staff they would have been long gone.
What about your man sheikh Mohammed will the BHA be investigating him?
I’m out the door with Gordo.... the BHA are a complete disgrace. If anyone has never made a mistake, your a liar... 2021, cancel culture, the snowflake era, the far left media .... all out to get him. I stand with Gordo....
n. You seem to have a problem being able to type that letter.
One thing I’ve learned from this is how many hypocrites there are in racing
100% and everyone stabbing him in the back too
@@dominicthespacemandale6738 yep
Laughable how some of the pundits are going on here. It’s all a show for the media. I’m sure any jockey has seen their fair share
@@dominicthespacemandale6738 deserves it.
@@treigjmiller2847 Calm down Karen
Racing is united with this issue and Gordon will pay the price, serve his time through a ban. What racing should also add to the case is do not let the person who posted this vile photo get away without punishment.
Well, personally I think he made a mistake and was not thinking. No one is perfect but still, a tacky thing to do. Basically I'd like to know how all these commenters here and on horse racing sites feel about animal abuse by many groups but they are willing to get their pitchforks out for this mistake. Fry him wouldn't be enough, so it seems.
The greyhound industry have paid a terrible price in the uk for breaches of care and scandal, this will yield havoc on the horse racing.
Gordon Elliot picture, I thought before I saw it it was because he'd just lost the horse and sat on it by accident because of loss - but no just shows his character no compassion straddled over it smiling - disgrace , a poor excuse for a man 😡
IME not a racing man but love ALL animals ,this man made a big big mistake and not in good taste at all .but come on life happens and people make mistakes .give him a chance we all like a chance when we feck up .
The healing power of a compassionate mind. Yes what happened is beyond logic or reasoning. But you know gordan elliot climbed to the top by getting every ounce of his average horses back in the day. He achieved that by looking after these equine individuals on a level not seen before. That included meeting every need of the horse. Some will remove their horses but I would ask in as possible a calm light as is possible to present owners to see the remarkable symbiotic relationship he had with his horses over the last decade to include welfare , care, attention to detail, before they decide to remove them. The healing power of a compassionate mind. Reflect before you move.
Great show too 👍
Things we learned : nobody has ever blinked more times than Barry gerraghty did in this video, like more code
1st time blinkers😂😂😂
Is it as bad as punching a horse in the head? Davy Russell seems to be the media’s darling after he did that, maybe Gordon will get to co-host itv racing with Matt champion after this, it’s completely disgusting what he has done but people tend to get past things faster than you think, also his excuse was laughable but that stupid it’s possibly true.
What about Frankie dettori and the drug scandal is he not the media darling now ang the godolphin trainer with the doping of horse's which cost Camelot a triple crown not whole on the racing channel back then about it or from other trainer's that's because he worked for sheikh Mohammed which it will all come out shortly about him we'll see how many presenter's or trainer's will call for his head none they'll be afraid with all the money he puts into English racing hypocrites
@@blairfoley7404 Also N Henderson drugged a horse and let it run,Being one off the old guard it was quickly forgotten. The timing of whoever released this pic tells me Gordon's made a few enemies.
I thinks it’s disgusting. And the video of the jockey doing the same. Makes you wonder how often it happens. Why these pictures and videos that are years old are being released is strange.
I’m disappointed at some pundits and online racing bloggers that have avoided commenting all together . What going on here ? Scared it’ll break links in racing to further there careers ? Gordon will be a target as soon as crowds return. Will never ever ever go away.
Everyone doing a good job of keeping up appearances for the media here. People that work in racing knows what goes on behind the scenes. It doesn’t look good, he’s had a bad moment no doubt but seriously, he didn’t kill the horse. Witch hunt
What a world we live in! So many Men shedding a tear....................its not like GE or the Jockey killed anyone is it? So its given some anti racing "tree huggers" some rocks to throw. Give GE a year off but not for sitting on the beast but for allowing that twat of a jockey to do so. And hand the Jock a Red Card for 3 months then lets move on. There are a lot more things that go on in racing than sitting on a dead horse.............
It's an absolute embarrassment .. in what circumstances can one come to sitting on a dead horse posing like an idiot .. even worse it would appear it's not an isolated incident with Rob James today 😡 ... I would have assumed any normal person would be distraught after losing a horse ... I remember being at fairyhouse when witchita Lineman fell and seen ap sitting on the turf with the horse , he was in bits ....... this shit this week has brought more attention to the sport than Cheltenham will and all of it bad
The photograph was disgusting. Gordon has brought the sport into disrepute in the worst possible manner. But has he committed a criminal act? Has he broke a rule of racing? We must believe that he was not responsible for the death of this horse. What is clear is that there is no cruelty involved or negligence. And what of the low-life that posted the photograph? Why? The damage he has done to the sport is too enormous for him to be punished with a fine. I hope, though, he does not get a ban greater than the one imposed on Charles Byrnes.