I confirm, i've been playing the same tribesman for weeks now and died several time. Everytime I lvl up again from 43 - 55 i get the same masteries and perks.
holy crap i just got a flint crafter with 122 craftsman 122 weapon crafting and 120 armor crafting, i hope after i lvl them a bit (they are 50) they can get at least one of the crafting skill perks
That answers one question I had. Was wondering if what better to get tribesman at a lower level so levelling them up would offer more chances to gain traits. I guess it's just as well to deter them at level 50 to skip levelling.
It is hard coded into them as the devs use seeds to decide how they spawn. That also means you can technically read out their future talents before detering them in the first place.
This is... mindboggling and also eye opener. I had several that started out 'meh' but did get better on the long run (perk wise), so i thought.. well if they die, might get better. Thats quite insane that past, present AND future of any slav.. detered tribesman is actualy hardcoded. I even saw a base shitty porter getting 30% craftspeed perks later on, how many detered i shouldve kept and lvl up instead of trowing em away because i thought they be crap anyway. I did know the proficiency was a fixed aspect and their starter-perks, but i thought the removal (and gaining) of perks was just a RNG every lvl up... sad news this is. Good news true, but sad nontheless.
My observation was that the lower the tribes man, the fewer negative traits they would gain. Maybe it was all predetermined. But with like a level 5 they would get just positives. Say a level 20 might might already have them and have to improve.
It's all random, all of my friends low tribesman lvl 5-15 came with 3-5 bad perks and 1 good, and my 40-50s have rolled all 5 green perks lvl 3 with 1 single red perk. Or 4 5 green perks and a few red ones. Sometimes it's so bad there's 5 or more reds no matter the level
YOu always have the same masteries and perks. It never changes. Its a roll when the NPC spawns. You can find this by using the ingame console to see the "seed". It came from the Discord. A few people said it and it spread like wildfire.
It's coming from a comment made back when the game released to EA, and someone picks up on it and it becomes a shared bit of knowledge that isn't true because of it.
I had this happen aswell. Saved my combat guy at low level and didnt know i needed to update the info in remodel when he levels. At somepoint he was max level and died. Revived him as a level 15 and and when i leveld him up again his passives changed. May be an older version, happended about 2 weeks ago
I no this has nothing todo with this video but I was thinking it would be awesome in single player if one of your tribes men can ride a mount it would make moving your base alot less painful.
Ah, thats a bummer, good thing I didn't do it already. While we are on this topic, is there a mask I can use to see what the perks are, before I "persuade" the tribesman to be part of my tribe?
We tested and confirmed this on a number of our tribesmen . The traits and stats are locked in on spawn, and leveling them up "discovers" what they are. It's still RNG per say, but it's not a random roll every 10 levels, the rolls were already done at spawn. It's also why grabbing a 40/50+ doesn't hinder you because they would have had the same exact traits anyway had you leveled them from 1. Good thing honestly, because if the meta was saving a thrall just before each breakpoint and endlessly killing it hoping it would relevel to a trait you want, that would be terrible A simple QOL change would be you can see all the traits a tribesmen will have but they are disabled until the proper level, so you can make a decision ahead of time if it's worth investing in leveling the tribesmen or not. At least on standard server rates, leveling tribesmen is a mult-day ordeal and not exactly an exciting thing. They also really need to take a look at how dimishing return XP works on crafting, especially armor/weapon.
@wak4863 Would it be possible for you to do a video on whether it's better to recruit low levels and level them up or just recruit as high lv of NPC's as you can possibly deter? I do not remember if it was you or some one on your server, but it was eluded to that higher level NPC's already have most of their negative traits gone (probly because to gap to lose them is much smaller)
That's exactly what he's showing in this video. The NPC that he's leveling has 5 negative Hex talents at level 5, the GM command shows that it will loose 1 at level 25 and another at 35 resulting in only 3 negative talents at level 60. That growth path is predetermined for every NPC when they spawn. Recruit them at higher levels so they've already removed any negative traits they were scheduled to.
its predetermined and randomized, the command showinfo shows everything what perk they will get and what negatives they will drop, even the mastery skills also are predetermined, whoever said that clearly didn't do that or doesn't understand anything kek
Do you have any idea whay on local launched game (PC to PC) we (both players) can open the admin panel, but it doesn't work? Nor any of commands like "gm addexp 1000", "gs showinfo 1"?
I think so. I play solo. I tweaked some of the settings so that I level faster because at the beginning I was playing with official settings and it was a massive grind fest. Now that I am not grinding hard for every task, I get to engage with the content and am wholly enjoying the game. I suggest if you play solo tweak the settings or play on one of Wak's servers as he adjusted the settings. After that point it's addictively fun.
Correct, this is bad information. My brother and I tested this and these perks absolutely seem predestined, so to say. Killing them and releveling them only costs you time.
Maxed out main is better then any character you will find. Having one stat at 180 and the rest at 40 will be better then any character you get even with 120 weapon skill.
@@sktt1oppa463 stat points. I was able to go 180 in strength and 40 for everything else. Even witn a 120+ hammer character the stats you are able to change on them is low. I beat the game solo. My berserk and doom bosses can be killed in a few shots with a glass cannon bow build as well.
We sure on this because I died with a tribesman that had a gold claw skill. I revived and releveled up and no claw dual blade hammer and great sword are maxed and I don’t have any gold mastery’s
I confirm, i've been playing the same tribesman for weeks now and died several time. Everytime I lvl up again from 43 - 55 i get the same masteries and perks.
Noticed that a while ago, no need to fully re level to realize that the perks where all the same. Nice vid as usual.
Wak putting in the work. Appreciate it man.
holy crap i just got a flint crafter with 122 craftsman 122 weapon crafting and 120 armor crafting, i hope after i lvl them a bit (they are 50) they can get at least one of the crafting skill perks
That answers one question I had. Was wondering if what better to get tribesman at a lower level so levelling them up would offer more chances to gain traits. I guess it's just as well to deter them at level 50 to skip levelling.
Oh damn, sorry didnt know this thanks for showing! And my apologies for everyone that did this!
It is hard coded into them as the devs use seeds to decide how they spawn. That also means you can technically read out their future talents before detering them in the first place.
This is... mindboggling and also eye opener. I had several that started out 'meh' but did get better on the long run (perk wise), so i thought.. well if they die, might get better. Thats quite insane that past, present AND future of any slav.. detered tribesman is actualy hardcoded. I even saw a base shitty porter getting 30% craftspeed perks later on, how many detered i shouldve kept and lvl up instead of trowing em away because i thought they be crap anyway. I did know the proficiency was a fixed aspect and their starter-perks, but i thought the removal (and gaining) of perks was just a RNG every lvl up... sad news this is. Good news true, but sad nontheless.
Thank you for this info. Can you tell me what does the glowing arms mean on certain tribesman? Thank you for taking the time with my inquiry.
My observation was that the lower the tribes man, the fewer negative traits they would gain. Maybe it was all predetermined. But with like a level 5 they would get just positives. Say a level 20 might might already have them and have to improve.
It's all random, all of my friends low tribesman lvl 5-15 came with 3-5 bad perks and 1 good, and my 40-50s have rolled all 5 green perks lvl 3 with 1 single red perk. Or 4 5 green perks and a few red ones. Sometimes it's so bad there's 5 or more reds no matter the level
great video again Wak, were can i find that list of commands ?
YOu always have the same masteries and perks. It never changes. Its a roll when the NPC spawns. You can find this by using the ingame console to see the "seed". It came from the Discord. A few people said it and it spread like wildfire.
elaborate more pls... can i use a command when I detter a npc to know if its worth keeping?
It's coming from a comment made back when the game released to EA, and someone picks up on it and it becomes a shared bit of knowledge that isn't true because of it.
I had this happen aswell. Saved my combat guy at low level and didnt know i needed to update the info in remodel when he levels. At somepoint he was max level and died. Revived him as a level 15 and and when i leveld him up again his passives changed. May be an older version, happended about 2 weeks ago
They don't update unless you are on a private server or solo game with perfect respawn enabled.
@@wak4863 Where does "perfect respawn" mode turn on? Can you guide me?
Good to know. Thanks Wak
I no this has nothing todo with this video but I was thinking it would be awesome in single player if one of your tribes men can ride a mount it would make moving your base alot less painful.
Ah, thats a bummer, good thing I didn't do it already. While we are on this topic, is there a mask I can use to see what the perks are, before I "persuade" the tribesman to be part of my tribe?
We tested and confirmed this on a number of our tribesmen . The traits and stats are locked in on spawn, and leveling them up "discovers" what they are. It's still RNG per say, but it's not a random roll every 10 levels, the rolls were already done at spawn.
It's also why grabbing a 40/50+ doesn't hinder you because they would have had the same exact traits anyway had you leveled them from 1.
Good thing honestly, because if the meta was saving a thrall just before each breakpoint and endlessly killing it hoping it would relevel to a trait you want, that would be terrible
A simple QOL change would be you can see all the traits a tribesmen will have but they are disabled until the proper level, so you can make a decision ahead of time if it's worth investing in leveling the tribesmen or not. At least on standard server rates, leveling tribesmen is a mult-day ordeal and not exactly an exciting thing. They also really need to take a look at how dimishing return XP works on crafting, especially armor/weapon.
I am kinda new to the game and I am just wondering about one thing. Do all tribesman level up to 60 or do they stop at 50? I am confused.
Keep the great info coming
Good to know.... They should code them to be stronger... Mine not get much level before they die.. :(
I noticed in your base you have two mysterious stone tables. Does that allow you to store 6 tribesmen? If not, why do you have 2 of them set up?
No it’s for more then one person to use them at the same time. Or if you need to revive more then one tribesman at a time.
@wak4863 Would it be possible for you to do a video on whether it's better to recruit low levels and level them up or just recruit as high lv of NPC's as you can possibly deter? I do not remember if it was you or some one on your server, but it was eluded to that higher level NPC's already have most of their negative traits gone (probly because to gap to lose them is much smaller)
That's exactly what he's showing in this video. The NPC that he's leveling has 5 negative Hex talents at level 5, the GM command shows that it will loose 1 at level 25 and another at 35 resulting in only 3 negative talents at level 60. That growth path is predetermined for every NPC when they spawn. Recruit them at higher levels so they've already removed any negative traits they were scheduled to.
How did you expand your info entry limit from 4 to6??? I’m only able to save 3 tribesmen
do the tribesmen get new perks only if i play them manually or do they also get them when leveling passively while doing jobs in the base?
its predetermined and randomized, the command showinfo shows everything what perk they will get and what negatives they will drop, even the mastery skills also are predetermined, whoever said that clearly didn't do that or doesn't understand anything kek
Do you have any idea whay on local launched game (PC to PC) we (both players) can open the admin panel, but it doesn't work? Nor any of commands like "gm addexp 1000", "gs showinfo 1"?
Is Soul mask better than Conan? All the Conan streamers are playing it
I think so. I play solo. I tweaked some of the settings so that I level faster because at the beginning I was playing with official settings and it was a massive grind fest. Now that I am not grinding hard for every task, I get to engage with the content and am wholly enjoying the game. I suggest if you play solo tweak the settings or play on one of Wak's servers as he adjusted the settings. After that point it's addictively fun.
so we can use a code to know if it's worth keeping?
Hi Wak, this command doesnt work. I playing in official server. Is it problem?
i want reroll talents.. i can't wait nexusmods for edit talents.. xd
Correct, this is bad information. My brother and I tested this and these perks absolutely seem predestined, so to say. Killing them and releveling them only costs you time.
Maxed out main is better then any character you will find. Having one stat at 180 and the rest at 40 will be better then any character you get even with 120 weapon skill.
@@soccerplyr8 what are you talking about? Starter character only goes up to 50 in every skill. Max is 125 for deterred tribesmen
@@sktt1oppa463 stat points. I was able to go 180 in strength and 40 for everything else. Even witn a 120+ hammer character the stats you are able to change on them is low. I beat the game solo. My berserk and doom bosses can be killed in a few shots with a glass cannon bow build as well.
We sure on this because I died with a tribesman that had a gold claw skill. I revived and releveled up and no claw dual blade hammer and great sword are maxed and I don’t have any gold mastery’s
This video is 100% correct. You must be mistaken.
already tried this when perfect remodel is in patch, and i know that talent are permanent hahaha
You showed that goof.