really needed this today, especially with Liam Payne's funeral being labeled a One Direction reunion, while pictures of his grieving family and friends are everywhere online rn.
I'm so tired of seeing people quoting the "reasonable expectation of privacy" as an excuse for filming strangers invasively. There's a difference between law and human decency
People looooove to conflate legality and morality when it's convenient to them. Do we not have agency as individuals to determine right or wrong without being explicitly threatened with imprisonment? ://
THIS!! It's like living in the Panopticon. It should not be normal to film strangers in public. It's WEIRD. Doesn't matter if your video is mocking them, flattering them, whatever. If you don't have permission, don't film someone (on purpose). Period.
@@Kelbel5995 literally this. If you happen to catch someone in the background of a video that's one thing, but purposefully pointing your phone at someone you don't know personally is just creepy. Obviously there's exceptions like if you're recording a crime happening or something but yeah
@@rhythmandblues_alibi wait until you find out that chappell roan isn't a natural redhead either...even if it's dyed, they both have red hair right now. what do you want us to do, call jordan and chappell 'blondie'? if you see a person with dyed green hair on the street and want to point them out to your friend, you're obviously not going to refer to them as a brunette.
@@rhythmandblues_alibiyou act like redhead is the same as a nationality or a race 😭 it’s just a way to describe their looks - they both have red hair atm so it would sound stupid to call them anything else
just a random comment about surveillance culture - im a teacher at a public school in brazil and the way we’re supposed to take attendance now is by taking a picture of the students (actually 4 pictures) and there’s this government AI tool that identifies the students. isn’t that freaking crazy? the students hate it, the teachers hate it, the artificial intelligence tool doesn’t work properly (it struggles to identify black students in a country where 56% of the population is black) and it’s just a big joke
That’s so crazy. I thought my high school was bad because we had to scan our IDs when entering and exiting the building. (Plus the normal hourly/class based attendance.)
That's horrible! What?! Do they not trust teachers to recognise their students and take proper attendance? What kind of dystopian society do they want you to live in? And the AI not even being trained properly so it becomes discriminatory...
"our brains are hot-wired to be haters" got me hooked, then you started talking about "TikTok Tabloids" and my jaw dropped cuz EWH YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT!!!, but presenting the idea that we've willingly walked ourselves into a modern-day panopticon got me shaaking gurl. I loooved this video! you're so intelligent in the way you speak!
it's crazy how much power popcrave and others hold. the way they word a tweet can completely change most of twitter's opinions on a celebrity. it's kinda how i remember old tabloids
That's why I take anything said about any celebrity with a grain of salt, even if there's "proof" of something, because even that can be manipulated to frame them in a negative light. I think people forget that celebrities are real people too and some of them either have trauma or have to deal with misogyny too, like the rest of us little people.
I agree so much! She’s gotten so much hate for it but it’s necessary. Most big changes in the taploid media rules and regulations only came after heartbreaking events like death, horrible mental breakdowns, massive breach of privacy and such. I would really love to see a change happen thanks to her and others speaking up instead of after something happens to them
Jordan, you should check out "Fantical: the Catfishing of Tegan and Sara". They were similarly queer artists that were really popular in that community but they made themselves really available to their fandom. The dockumentary goes through all the issues they had bc they were too available to their fans. I bring this up bc I think it adds more context to not only the tabloids but the fans themselves can be really toxic. Chappel is very correct in being worried about being stalked or exploited.
yep and don't forget when the paps snapped a picture UP Anne Hathaway's skirt while she was getting in/out of a car, and then when she went on a talk show they brought it up like a prompt for her to apologise. Like she had done something wrong.
as a journalism student i can't believe i'm hearing jordan talk about ipso😭 whilst being ipso regulated is optional, ethics is a mandatory unit of the NCTJ qualification which the majority (about 80%) of qualified journalists have and the ipso code is used to teach ethics for this qualification. so in theory, most journalists will have had ethics training and passed an exam in journalism ethics and regulations. you could argue that that isn't relevant if the code isn't enforced/mandatory and that definitely is an issue (as well as the punishments for breaking ipso if you are regulated not being particularly severe in most cases), but i do think its interesting to consider that tabloid journalists have (most likely) been trained to know better but are potentially continuing to be unethical for the sake of views/clicks. imo its disgusting and i would hope that in my own career i never behave in that way
Where have you read it's 80% of journalists with an NCTJ? Not doubting you're right but as a journalist it definitely seems a lot lower than that. I'd be really interested if that's how high the number is!
I definitely agree that drama channels and accounts like pop crave definitely operate as tabloids. I also feel like some of what I would call ‘low effort commentary’ (which predominantly consist of reacting to TikTok drama or trends) channels also can be lumped in to this modern tabloid culture. A lot of videos I feel just boil down to ‘look at what these people are doing look how bad/or weird they are’ whether they are discussing something serious or more frivolous.
This, I gravitate away from them because I never liked tabloid magazines, the ones I like a lot are daily dose of internet, and aztrosist’s know your meme videos. No judgement, just letting you know what’s up, not siding with anybody or speculating, and generally positive. I suppose that’s why they pull so little numbers in comparison to the toxic twitter types like dexeto and popcrave
watching Chappell go from an indie pop artist I loved in 2021, to the most famous artist on the planet in 2024 has acc been wild and shown me starkly how grim it is to rise to fame. like, as far as I’m concerned, she’s handled this well...
I had never really thought about the loving surveillance argument, and I find it so interesting because I live in Mexico, which is a very unsafe country, particularly for women. Because of that, it is absolutely the norm to share your location with people constantly, whether it's your mom, your friends, or whomever. But when you think about it, it does foster a culture where we know where other people are at all times and that definitely limits people's freedom.
thank you i dont think ive seen anyone even do the comparisons of celebs back in the day also refreshing it isnt some video whether or not she needs pr training lol
That people being afraid of dancing in public spaces bit is so true. Initially I didn’t get it bc I was a sheltered kid, but when I got to university and decided to buss it down with some friends, like 12 people were recording me and I stopped and hid behind my friends when I realized. 😭😭
that stuff has always weirded me out. like why are you pointing your phone at me??? i am dancing???? i notice how stiff and reserved i am in those settings and in public in general (when i’m really not in reality!) because of it the self surveillance thing is so real
How are upskirt photos not illegal on an SA and personal sexual harassment basis? So gross. Also, the sexualization of Watson goes over my head in general cause i think of her as a fellow 12 year old even now that we are both into our 30s. If an adult is obsessed with an actor they saw for the first time as a grade schooler or middle schooler, that's a HUGE red flag for some really nasty behaviors.
THANK YOU! I've unconsciously rejected TikTok and those "exposing x" deep dives. Anything that solely focuses on spreading negative information with or without sources is a no for me. I noticed how it so quickly damaged my mental health and my overall attitude towards people.
Surveillance culture creeps me out. Even the part about surveilling loved ones with apps for the sake of "safety". I've been in a relationship in which I had to tell him any place I'd go, even if I was just going to the uni library, and if those kind of apps existed back then, then I know he'd make me use them so he could control me. Also the likelihood of someone disappearing is so small, at least where I live, that I don't think those apps are that useful.
I'm a little conflicted on those apps. I spent most of my life in a country where getting attacked or kidnapped where very real concerns that I didn't feel equipped to deal with by myself, but I've also dated a controlling abuser. I'm also aware that sometimes someone's own parents are the real danger.
i recently deleted instagram from my phone and feel like i had these “watching eyes” removed from over me and i couldn’t understand where that anxiety was coming from- this video couldn’t have put that in a better context
I deleted it all too and it’s amazing how your brain changes. The whole couch guy thing was hilarious and highly disturbing to me. People tried to explain it and I just did not get it. The crazy thing is that often the friends trying to explain these non issue videos that went viral were confused why I didn’t get it. I genuinely think these apps harm our brains
i've been thinking about this a lot lately and i think you're absolutely right about all of it - shoutout researcher leann! also a whollleee separate video could be made about tabloid/surveillance culture and the kpop industry...
This is a really interesting topic. I think subconscious parasocial relationships are so interesting because they are so common and you don't always realize you're thinking that way. It's not that I think this person knows me though because I am interacting with their content, surely they are interacting back. It shows how confusing interacting with someone one way from a distance is still so confusing for our brains.
Great video Jordan! The level of access and demand for information I see people exhibit with TikTok and instagram actually blows my mind as someone who was a teen in the early 2000s. The demands to make everyone explain everything or make every statement beyond reproach or to give a backstory on everything and link every single thing they use or have in their home is such a contrast to the tiny tiny glimpses we had into celebrities back when I was a teen. The access to information has created a demand for access to every part of someone’s life that goes far beyond what is reasonable and is extended to everyone from a huge celebrity to a person who randomly goes viral for one video. Having parts of your life be private or not sharing everything with everyone is normal . People will gossip about someone in their own comments section like, hello? They can see this?
Omg I am obsessed with researcher Leanne, bc the Gynaepticon is a concept I have been thinking about for so long and I have been searching high and low for the vocabulary.
There’s a book from Aussie feminist Anne Summers called ‘Damned Whores and God’s Police’ (1975) which makes similar observations to the gynaepticon concept. Love the connections made in this video, so interesting!
Following the money around tabloid culture and specifically the "economy of celebrity" is a thread worth pulling on. Also there's an old PBS episode called Merchants of Cool that's worth watching if you're really interested in understanding why large corporations benefit from us being obsessed with celebrities and buying whatever they tell us to. I would be interested in hearing your reaction to some of the things they lay out in that for sure. Like your take on this aspect of it regardless.
Pop crave and Pop base are so selective on what the post, you can see which side they are on and who gets everything reported on and who only gets the bad stuff
This is probably my favorite essay from you. I hadn’t heard of the gynaepticon before or the angle about the positive aspects of surveillance culture. This is a very good fresh perspective on the Chappell controversy and you’ve truly expanded my understanding of why it and similar incidents occur as well as how the same forces we decry manifest themselves today. Everyone is an active agent in society, with forces exerted on them and forces exerted in return. Really made me introspect :)
i feel so lucky to have seen chapel in 2023 before she became the huge star she is now and also this year. i can confidently say that the shows both have just as much energy and fun just one has a way bigger budget lol. highly recommend seeing her if u like her music 💚
How is "social media has created a dystopian surveillance culture" not reason enough for people to stop using these platforms? They aren't a meaningful stand-in for social interaction, and they will always promote drama and fear and ragebait when it comes down to their bottom line. Do the benefits really outweigh the costs if the tradeoff is "well I'm scared to go out in public because I might be filmed without my consent, but at least I found this interesting artist/song/event/news item"?
What I dislike the most about paparazzi is the blazing hypocrisy, every single one of them would not like it if people did that to them, they know that, and yet they don't even start to engage with that fact. It's complete dehumanization of the subject they are recording.
I'm on the spectrum and I pray for the newer generation that have such a sense of judgement and anxiety in this digital age. Remember, judgement often is in your head. If it isn't heard or seen, it can't exist. It doesn't. Let the unknown watch, let them feast on how thickly interesting you are! Be yourself, cause the worse thing is to appear fake, or as if you are another person. Don't wear a mask. No point.
I’ve been trying recently to cut the chord of celebrity obsession - but if ever I am hungover my cure is watching Sloan videos - it’s something I feel shitty about but it’s like a need! Otherwise I stay clear. But I think it’s interesting that it’s only when I’m feeling low I crave it. Seeing the photos recently of celebrities at the Liam Payne funeral made me really question my moral compass, I had the human urge to look but I fought it and have questioned my stance on tabloids and how I consume celebritityism since then. If I imagine my own photo being taken at a funeral of someone I love it makes me sick. This was such a great video, one I’m going to make notes on and use in conversations! Jordan you’re the best ❤
@@waterfall5660Chappell roan had some inhibitions and worries about the USA political situation where she had to choose between 2 bad political parties and people on social media were harassing her, until she did endorse on. But then we found out after the elections the person she endorsed who was endorsed many Celebs.. guess what they paid those people and I bet the other party also paid their people who endorsed him as well, but it’s fucked they were harassing her about it when so many big celebs were needing to see millions of dollars to do it. Where is the rage and gossip about the other celebs who wouldn’t talk about social issues and something as important as an election unless they were paid?
people mocked chappell for saying that celebrities don't always vote for the candidates their endorse. then she was immediately proven right when azealia banks endorsed harris then claimed to vote for trump as a way to generate publicity
I agree with what you are saying, but I do believe she needs a PR team. I think having the team will help relieve a lot of the pressure of the surveillance (not a lot but some). Chappell was never wrong because she deserves to have privacy and to live a normal life, but I think her responses are hurting her more than helping.
I was just going to comment this! there’s nobody standing in between her and the public/paparazzi. absolutely no boundaries whatsoever. She got famous so so quickly after her music blew up and doesn’t seem to realize that unfortunately she’s not seen as a person, but a brand/entertainer who “signed up” for this. Venting online to millions of strangers who don’t gaf hurts more than helps. These conversations are best held off-line, not the entire Internet.
Very interesting and insightful video! I would be interested in more of your takes around 2000s paparazzi culture and how it compares to how people interact with public figures nowadays with everyone being online.
I loved when Hbomberguy made fun of youtube drama channels and then watching all of the drama channels (especially the ones he showed in his video) get all butthurt was FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!
just came here to say that I in fact did know her and her music last year this time. and it was about this time i became the biggest chappell brand ambassador😭😭
I was thinking about how drama channels (especially by content farmers) are basically the new tabloid back when the James Charles "drama" was hot in 2019-2020. The amount of channels just doing the same "commentary" and low-key dehumanizing some of their subjects just give me the ick and when I had that clarity, I unsubscribed to them all and stopped engaging in more tabloid-like content.
My sandal broke in a store one day when I was heading to the checkout and I already did all my shopping so ofc I just went ahead and waited in line. It was still attached at the ankle and covering my foot but it was flopping lmao. The teens in line behind me started filming my flopping sandal. It was equally hilarious and annoying but ultimately they were being harmless so I acted like I didn’t notice and went on with my day. All that to say people will film you for the most mundane reason hoping they will get a viral clip and a little clout.
This reminded me of the most recent season of love is blind (US), where apparently viewers of the show publicly shared the birth certificates of children that were created through sperm donated by one of the contestants... that certainly invokes the same feelings as stalking paparazzi do, if you ask me...
10/10 video really got my brain flowing! made me reflect on how I tend to see social media accounts as an aspect of personality, mostly with friends I don’t see often or acquaintances I don’t know well. I feel like their accounts are a way for me to connect with them without having human connection, which is kind of freaky lol. Like Jordan said most of it is out of that place of love like wanting to make sure they’re in a stable place, but sometimes I think it makes me assume personality traits before I know people really well. One of my Instagram mutuals started going to my school, i’m friends with them now and they’re so different than what I assumed they would be like just based on their Instagram persona. does anyone else experience to this? also had never heard of the gynaepticon which I think can only be formed by a society that is so punishing to women that women start punishing each other for not being what other people expect them to be.
Here in Denmark there was a huge scandal in 2009 when the public found out that a major tabloid had been surveilling both celebs and royals credit cards through an IT guy, therefor knowing where they were at all times, completely illegal and schoking of course!
jordan my heart fluttered when you said panopticon but Jeremy Bentham first came up with the panopticon and Foucault then adapted this love u and ur videos
Amazing video! Quick note, I think Jeremy Bentham is the dude who conceived of the idea for the panopticon as a prison. Foucault furthered the analysis and utilized the idea to hypothesize about surveillance.
8:58 I remember this is incident being on the cover of Time Magazine, where they playfully called it the "End of the World", complete with a parody of the outlet's logo.
You've got a horrible take on puberty blockers so yeah nah imma skip whatever else you're doing You don't seem to be very well informed on topics that you speak about (you call puberty blockers sterilisation, which is factually wrong) so yeah go do some research before speaking of things you don't know much about before broadcasting misinformation
I think there’s something to be explored around gossip forums and how they play a part in the surveillance landscape as well, especially Tattle, as there you can have loads of threads, and people talking in those threads, solely about one person. I find them fascinating.
I think the gynaepticon is a really good observation when it comes to a lot of detailed online 'discourse' about female celebrities and how they can seem to be more scrutinized for doing similar things as male celebrities (as if there's a higher standard for women that is being upheld by other women) BUT I think that mostly applies to the the more productive discussions that take place online, while most of the abusive and pointlessly horrible comments I see about Chappell Roan for example tend to come from like, shitty twitter men. And I have a suspicion that most of the harassment that female celebrities receive directly (like about their appearance or their body or their sexuality) probably still comes mostly from men as well.
im in my late 20s and i have resorted to only using snapchat as a social media bc it feels the most private and closed-circle vibes... the tabloid covers on that app are outrageous and something just completely falsed or not included in the tabloid. lots of long-winded paragraphs to get you to engage further feels so predatory, especially with the new endlessly-repeating ads if you cannot tap the screen right away. the only plus is the bite-sized tv show episodes from Bravo or TLC are entertaining for limited breaks at work and when i don't care enough to watch the shows in their entirety lol
Ugh I have major social anxiety and with it the fear of being observed so I'm always anon on social media. But it's definitely partially evolved into the fear of being filmed without my consent like if I even SEE someone with a camera out in public I'm running as fast as I can in the other direction, even if I live in a country where it's not as prevalent (a lot of that sorta embarassing tiktok stuff is filmed of lower class people or drug addicts 🙃)
I really recommend listening to some of Shameless podcast “Scandal” series. Because they cover a history of different celebrities or relationships over a long period of time and often years after the events this allows for a very different perspective than consuming the media in the moment. It also shows the patterns in media and in reporting about different people - for example young women.
surveillance culture also makes it unfortunately easier to stalk people and provide easier means of harassing them. i recently had to delete all social media because a former friend was using it (along with my phone number) to bombard me endlessly with calls and messages as well as to keep tabs on what i was doing. i don’t think i’ll be using it anytime soon because i don’t want anyone to have access to me, even with privacy settings
Yesss, i remember i vented about my job on a subreddit dedicated to my workplace (very popular food chain) and someone commented if i lived in (blank) state and i pancked so i lied and said i lived in this other state. Next day, my weird coworker came up to me saying he's going to move to the state that i lied about living in. I thought it was a weird coincidence but he never even ended up moving. I was spooked and deleted my whole reddit account. My reddit was very private, i never posted my name or photos so the fact that my coworker was able to pinpoint me based off of a vent post that didnt include any names or locations was freaky.
I don't really understand why people are so excited to send pictures to companies or post pictures of strangers. Actors, athletes and musicians BUT still strangers. Can you imagine if people got this rabid over doctors and nurses? They contribute in meaningful ways but we don't collectively as a culture worship them. "Oh look there goes one of the top, highest paid heart surgeons!" "Take pictures!" "Take pictures!" People would be questioning why there are random men and women in scrubs posted on social media and splashed across magazines and newspapers 😂😂😂
this reminds me of that tumblr post which is something like 'you guys want more complex female characters? you can't even handle chappell roan, real life woman with boundaries'
really needed this today, especially with Liam Payne's funeral being labeled a One Direction reunion, while pictures of his grieving family and friends are everywhere online rn.
I agree this immediately came to my mind
Omfg. I haven’t seen that but my blood ran cold and I’m not even surprised. Why do people have to suck so badly
this is horrifying to hear
ew what the hell?? people are so gross
@@nanananananananana00it’s crazy tbh! “One Direction reunite for bandmates tragic funeral service” - it’s disgusting
Paparazzi are just professional stalkers.
I will never understand how stalking is allowed just because someone has a certain job title.
So freaking true
When I was young that’s how I perceived them and was so shocked that it’s legal
I'm so tired of seeing people quoting the "reasonable expectation of privacy" as an excuse for filming strangers invasively. There's a difference between law and human decency
not to mention that its literally illegal in other countries
People looooove to conflate legality and morality when it's convenient to them. Do we not have agency as individuals to determine right or wrong without being explicitly threatened with imprisonment? ://
THIS!! It's like living in the Panopticon. It should not be normal to film strangers in public. It's WEIRD. Doesn't matter if your video is mocking them, flattering them, whatever. If you don't have permission, don't film someone (on purpose). Period.
@@Kelbel5995 literally this. If you happen to catch someone in the background of a video that's one thing, but purposefully pointing your phone at someone you don't know personally is just creepy. Obviously there's exceptions like if you're recording a crime happening or something but yeah
My favourite redhead making a video about my favourite redhead?? yesss thank you
your favorite redhead’s favorite redhead
She's not a redhead tho? She has dyed red hair. Doesn't make her a redhead.
@@rhythmandblues_alibi wait until you find out that chappell roan isn't a natural redhead either...even if it's dyed, they both have red hair right now. what do you want us to do, call jordan and chappell 'blondie'? if you see a person with dyed green hair on the street and want to point them out to your friend, you're obviously not going to refer to them as a brunette.
@@rhythmandblues_alibiyou act like redhead is the same as a nationality or a race 😭 it’s just a way to describe their looks - they both have red hair atm so it would sound stupid to call them anything else
just a random comment about surveillance culture - im a teacher at a public school in brazil and the way we’re supposed to take attendance now is by taking a picture of the students (actually 4 pictures) and there’s this government AI tool that identifies the students. isn’t that freaking crazy? the students hate it, the teachers hate it, the artificial intelligence tool doesn’t work properly (it struggles to identify black students in a country where 56% of the population is black) and it’s just a big joke
That’s so crazy. I thought my high school was bad because we had to scan our IDs when entering and exiting the building. (Plus the normal hourly/class based attendance.)
That's horrible! What?! Do they not trust teachers to recognise their students and take proper attendance? What kind of dystopian society do they want you to live in? And the AI not even being trained properly so it becomes discriminatory...
Colegio público ou privado?
@@livemellifluouslypúblico
Insane
"our brains are hot-wired to be haters" got me hooked, then you started talking about "TikTok Tabloids" and my jaw dropped cuz EWH YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT!!!, but presenting the idea that we've willingly walked ourselves into a modern-day panopticon got me shaaking gurl. I loooved this video! you're so intelligent in the way you speak!
Hard-wired* though ❤
it's crazy how much power popcrave and others hold. the way they word a tweet can completely change most of twitter's opinions on a celebrity. it's kinda how i remember old tabloids
That's why I take anything said about any celebrity with a grain of salt, even if there's "proof" of something, because even that can be manipulated to frame them in a negative light. I think people forget that celebrities are real people too and some of them either have trauma or have to deal with misogyny too, like the rest of us little people.
I admire the hell out of Chappell Roan for setting these firm boundaries.
I agree so much! She’s gotten so much hate for it but it’s necessary. Most big changes in the taploid media rules and regulations only came after heartbreaking events like death, horrible mental breakdowns, massive breach of privacy and such. I would really love to see a change happen thanks to her and others speaking up instead of after something happens to them
Those mock thumbnails sent me 😭😭😭
They were so good 😂😂
Not Peppes mom being scandalous 😳
Jordan, you should check out "Fantical: the Catfishing of Tegan and Sara". They were similarly queer artists that were really popular in that community but they made themselves really available to their fandom. The dockumentary goes through all the issues they had bc they were too available to their fans. I bring this up bc I think it adds more context to not only the tabloids but the fans themselves can be really toxic. Chappel is very correct in being worried about being stalked or exploited.
Thank you for the reminder! I was a college student in the 2000s and I’m Canadian so I loved them!
I can't believe that Emma Watson thing, those people are predators.
yep and don't forget when the paps snapped a picture UP Anne Hathaway's skirt while she was getting in/out of a car, and then when she went on a talk show they brought it up like a prompt for her to apologise. Like she had done something wrong.
@sophiaec2607 what the hellll
It's because the industry itself is predatory
as a journalism student i can't believe i'm hearing jordan talk about ipso😭 whilst being ipso regulated is optional, ethics is a mandatory unit of the NCTJ qualification which the majority (about 80%) of qualified journalists have and the ipso code is used to teach ethics for this qualification. so in theory, most journalists will have had ethics training and passed an exam in journalism ethics and regulations. you could argue that that isn't relevant if the code isn't enforced/mandatory and that definitely is an issue (as well as the punishments for breaking ipso if you are regulated not being particularly severe in most cases), but i do think its interesting to consider that tabloid journalists have (most likely) been trained to know better but are potentially continuing to be unethical for the sake of views/clicks. imo its disgusting and i would hope that in my own career i never behave in that way
Where have you read it's 80% of journalists with an NCTJ? Not doubting you're right but as a journalist it definitely seems a lot lower than that. I'd be really interested if that's how high the number is!
It's amazing to me that people haven't been thinking about paps as men stalking women; it's hard for me at least not to see the gender of it all
I definitely agree that drama channels and accounts like pop crave definitely operate as tabloids. I also feel like some of what I would call ‘low effort commentary’ (which predominantly consist of reacting to TikTok drama or trends) channels also can be lumped in to this modern tabloid culture. A lot of videos I feel just boil down to ‘look at what these people are doing look how bad/or weird they are’ whether they are discussing something serious or more frivolous.
This! Pop Crave moves incredibly fast, plus TikTok stories feel very tabloid.
This, I gravitate away from them because I never liked tabloid magazines, the ones I like a lot are daily dose of internet, and aztrosist’s know your meme videos. No judgement, just letting you know what’s up, not siding with anybody or speculating, and generally positive. I suppose that’s why they pull so little numbers in comparison to the toxic twitter types like dexeto and popcrave
watching Chappell go from an indie pop artist I loved in 2021, to the most famous artist on the planet in 2024 has acc been wild and shown me starkly how grim it is to rise to fame. like, as far as I’m concerned, she’s handled this well...
I had never really thought about the loving surveillance argument, and I find it so interesting because I live in Mexico, which is a very unsafe country, particularly for women. Because of that, it is absolutely the norm to share your location with people constantly, whether it's your mom, your friends, or whomever. But when you think about it, it does foster a culture where we know where other people are at all times and that definitely limits people's freedom.
Hair slaying so hard girl
PERFECT TIMING i’m waiting for the eurostar so this is being downloaded and watched on the train!!!!
I like trains
@@fischerfrisch trains are cool, you sit...it goes...you arrive!
your favourite commentary youtuber's favourite commentary youtuber
thank you i dont think ive seen anyone even do the comparisons of celebs back in the day also refreshing it isnt some video whether or not she needs pr training lol
That people being afraid of dancing in public spaces bit is so true. Initially I didn’t get it bc I was a sheltered kid, but when I got to university and decided to buss it down with some friends, like 12 people were recording me and I stopped and hid behind my friends when I realized. 😭😭
that stuff has always weirded me out. like why are you pointing your phone at me??? i am dancing????
i notice how stiff and reserved i am in those settings and in public in general (when i’m really not in reality!) because of it
the self surveillance thing is so real
How are upskirt photos not illegal on an SA and personal sexual harassment basis? So gross.
Also, the sexualization of Watson goes over my head in general cause i think of her as a fellow 12 year old even now that we are both into our 30s. If an adult is obsessed with an actor they saw for the first time as a grade schooler or middle schooler, that's a HUGE red flag for some really nasty behaviors.
THANK YOU! I've unconsciously rejected TikTok and those "exposing x" deep dives. Anything that solely focuses on spreading negative information with or without sources is a no for me. I noticed how it so quickly damaged my mental health and my overall attitude towards people.
Surveillance culture creeps me out. Even the part about surveilling loved ones with apps for the sake of "safety". I've been in a relationship in which I had to tell him any place I'd go, even if I was just going to the uni library, and if those kind of apps existed back then, then I know he'd make me use them so he could control me. Also the likelihood of someone disappearing is so small, at least where I live, that I don't think those apps are that useful.
I'm a little conflicted on those apps. I spent most of my life in a country where getting attacked or kidnapped where very real concerns that I didn't feel equipped to deal with by myself, but I've also dated a controlling abuser. I'm also aware that sometimes someone's own parents are the real danger.
i recently deleted instagram from my phone and feel like i had these “watching eyes” removed from over me and i couldn’t understand where that anxiety was coming from- this video couldn’t have put that in a better context
I deleted it all too and it’s amazing how your brain changes. The whole couch guy thing was hilarious and highly disturbing to me. People tried to explain it and I just did not get it. The crazy thing is that often the friends trying to explain these non issue videos that went viral were confused why I didn’t get it.
I genuinely think these apps harm our brains
i've been thinking about this a lot lately and i think you're absolutely right about all of it - shoutout researcher leann! also a whollleee separate video could be made about tabloid/surveillance culture and the kpop industry...
This is a really interesting topic. I think subconscious parasocial relationships are so interesting because they are so common and you don't always realize you're thinking that way. It's not that I think this person knows me though because I am interacting with their content, surely they are interacting back. It shows how confusing interacting with someone one way from a distance is still so confusing for our brains.
Great video Jordan! The level of access and demand for information I see people exhibit with TikTok and instagram actually blows my mind as someone who was a teen in the early 2000s. The demands to make everyone explain everything or make every statement beyond reproach or to give a backstory on everything and link every single thing they use or have in their home is such a contrast to the tiny tiny glimpses we had into celebrities back when I was a teen. The access to information has created a demand for access to every part of someone’s life that goes far beyond what is reasonable and is extended to everyone from a huge celebrity to a person who randomly goes viral for one video. Having parts of your life be private or not sharing everything with everyone is normal . People will gossip about someone in their own comments section like, hello? They can see this?
great video as always! also, it's so refreshing to see how much you gas up researcher Lianne and editor Kath
Omg I am obsessed with researcher Leanne, bc the Gynaepticon is a concept I have been thinking about for so long and I have been searching high and low for the vocabulary.
The podcast/video essay about gossip is needed NOW
Loved this one! Got to give it up for Researcher Leanne 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Now I’ve been waiting for this one
Tiktok tabloid is a topic I didn't know I needed
There’s a book from Aussie feminist Anne Summers called ‘Damned Whores and God’s Police’ (1975) which makes similar observations to the gynaepticon concept. Love the connections made in this video, so interesting!
OMG YOU LOOK SO GOOD AND THE HAIR IS JUST PERFECTION. LOVE YOU.
"PHENOMENON!" 32:15😂 love your stuff Jordan❤
Hi Queen 👑. Welcome back. This will be my dopamine hit. Now, I watch
Def consider filming more at night, the lighting was really nice at the end! haha
18:28 can’t believe mummy pig tweeted what she did. Lost all my respect for her
I've been watching you for years now. Love your videos
I swear I just saw the pics from liams funeral on the tv in normal celebrity news, like how is that allowed
Following the money around tabloid culture and specifically the "economy of celebrity" is a thread worth pulling on. Also there's an old PBS episode called Merchants of Cool that's worth watching if you're really interested in understanding why large corporations benefit from us being obsessed with celebrities and buying whatever they tell us to. I would be interested in hearing your reaction to some of the things they lay out in that for sure. Like your take on this aspect of it regardless.
Pop crave and Pop base are so selective on what the post, you can see which side they are on and who gets everything reported on and who only gets the bad stuff
This is probably my favorite essay from you. I hadn’t heard of the gynaepticon before or the angle about the positive aspects of surveillance culture. This is a very good fresh perspective on the Chappell controversy and you’ve truly expanded my understanding of why it and similar incidents occur as well as how the same forces we decry manifest themselves today. Everyone is an active agent in society, with forces exerted on them and forces exerted in return. Really made me introspect :)
i feel so lucky to have seen chapel in 2023 before she became the huge star she is now and also this year. i can confidently say that the shows both have just as much energy and fun just one has a way bigger budget lol. highly recommend seeing her if u like her music 💚
Lianne's (Idk how to spell her name I'm sorry) research is so well done T_T I like how you keep mentioning her huhuhuhu
How is "social media has created a dystopian surveillance culture" not reason enough for people to stop using these platforms? They aren't a meaningful stand-in for social interaction, and they will always promote drama and fear and ragebait when it comes down to their bottom line. Do the benefits really outweigh the costs if the tradeoff is "well I'm scared to go out in public because I might be filmed without my consent, but at least I found this interesting artist/song/event/news item"?
She has skyrocketed far higher than Ice Spice, especially with her style I'd compare her rise more to Lady Gaga's in 2008
What I dislike the most about paparazzi is the blazing hypocrisy, every single one of them would not like it if people did that to them, they know that, and yet they don't even start to engage with that fact. It's complete dehumanization of the subject they are recording.
hearing Jordan say “hello everybody” heals my soul
I'm on the spectrum and I pray for the newer generation that have such a sense of judgement and anxiety in this digital age. Remember, judgement often is in your head. If it isn't heard or seen, it can't exist. It doesn't. Let the unknown watch, let them feast on how thickly interesting you are! Be yourself, cause the worse thing is to appear fake, or as if you are another person. Don't wear a mask. No point.
wake up babe, there's a new JT video 🎉
jordan u ate w this video i loved it!
Ok queen I actually am loving the mood lighting. With the red hair???? Beautiful. x
my favorite commentary youtuber i love you so much
I’ve been trying recently to cut the chord of celebrity obsession - but if ever I am hungover my cure is watching Sloan videos - it’s something I feel shitty about but it’s like a need! Otherwise I stay clear. But I think it’s interesting that it’s only when I’m feeling low I crave it. Seeing the photos recently of celebrities at the Liam Payne funeral made me really question my moral compass, I had the human urge to look but I fought it and have questioned my stance on tabloids and how I consume celebritityism since then. If I imagine my own photo being taken at a funeral of someone I love
it makes me sick. This was such a great video, one I’m going to make notes on and use in conversations! Jordan you’re the best ❤
They bullied Chappell about politics when the other girlies only talked about it after getting paid millions (multiple millions!) 😢
Wait I’ve been living under a rock… what is this referring to?
@@waterfall5660Chappell roan had some inhibitions and worries about the USA political situation where she had to choose between 2 bad political parties and people on social media were harassing her, until she did endorse on. But then we found out after the elections the person she endorsed who was endorsed many Celebs.. guess what they paid those people and I bet the other party also paid their people who endorsed him as well, but it’s fucked they were harassing her about it when so many big celebs were needing to see millions of dollars to do it. Where is the rage and gossip about the other celebs who wouldn’t talk about social issues and something as important as an election unless they were paid?
people mocked chappell for saying that celebrities don't always vote for the candidates their endorse. then she was immediately proven right when azealia banks endorsed harris then claimed to vote for trump as a way to generate publicity
I agree with what you are saying, but I do believe she needs a PR team. I think having the team will help relieve a lot of the pressure of the surveillance (not a lot but some). Chappell was never wrong because she deserves to have privacy and to live a normal life, but I think her responses are hurting her more than helping.
I was just going to comment this! there’s nobody standing in between her and the public/paparazzi. absolutely no boundaries whatsoever. She got famous so so quickly after her music blew up and doesn’t seem to realize that unfortunately she’s not seen as a person, but a brand/entertainer who “signed up” for this. Venting online to millions of strangers who don’t gaf hurts more than helps. These conversations are best held off-line, not the entire Internet.
She definitely has a publicist, manager, etc. She's probably just not listening to them.
Very interesting and insightful video! I would be interested in more of your takes around 2000s paparazzi culture and how it compares to how people interact with public figures nowadays with everyone being online.
dying to know your educational background! every video is a hit, babe.
i now have a parasocial relationship with researcher leanne
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Took a break from my social theory homework just for Foucault to be in this video 😂 that man is inescapable
I loved when Hbomberguy made fun of youtube drama channels and then watching all of the drama channels (especially the ones he showed in his video) get all butthurt was FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!
just came here to say that I in fact did know her and her music last year this time. and it was about this time i became the biggest chappell brand ambassador😭😭
25:02 foo-COH. Also it was first theorized by Jonathan Bentham centuries ago, and Foucault was considering its implications
sorry to be like um actually🤓☝️but the panopticon was theorised by jeremy bentham not michel foucault, he just wrote about it his book!
The adorable pronunciation got me lol
I was thinking about how drama channels (especially by content farmers) are basically the new tabloid back when the James Charles "drama" was hot in 2019-2020. The amount of channels just doing the same "commentary" and low-key dehumanizing some of their subjects just give me the ick and when I had that clarity, I unsubscribed to them all and stopped engaging in more tabloid-like content.
LOVED LOVED LOVED this and your theory!!
My sandal broke in a store one day when I was heading to the checkout and I already did all my shopping so ofc I just went ahead and waited in line. It was still attached at the ankle and covering my foot but it was flopping lmao. The teens in line behind me started filming my flopping sandal. It was equally hilarious and annoying but ultimately they were being harmless so I acted like I didn’t notice and went on with my day. All that to say people will film you for the most mundane reason hoping they will get a viral clip and a little clout.
JORDANNN THE DRAMA VID THUMBNAILS IM CRYING
This reminded me of the most recent season of love is blind (US), where apparently viewers of the show publicly shared the birth certificates of children that were created through sperm donated by one of the contestants... that certainly invokes the same feelings as stalking paparazzi do, if you ask me...
Another banger of a video thanks Jordan 😊
10/10 video really got my brain flowing! made me reflect on how I tend to see social media accounts as an aspect of personality, mostly with friends I don’t see often or acquaintances I don’t know well. I feel like their accounts are a way for me to connect with them without having human connection, which is kind of freaky lol. Like Jordan said most of it is out of that place of love like wanting to make sure they’re in a stable place, but sometimes I think it makes me assume personality traits before I know people really well. One of my Instagram mutuals started going to my school, i’m friends with them now and they’re so different than what I assumed they would be like just based on their Instagram persona. does anyone else experience to this?
also had never heard of the gynaepticon which I think can only be formed by a society that is so punishing to women that women start punishing each other for not being what other people expect them to be.
Love the Merit bag! The Merit blue of the packaging is to die for so I love seeing it in a physical product I can use to show my Merit love!
Here in Denmark there was a huge scandal in 2009 when the public found out that a major tabloid had been surveilling both celebs and royals credit cards through an IT guy, therefor knowing where they were at all times, completely illegal and schoking of course!
jordan my heart fluttered when you said panopticon but Jeremy Bentham first came up with the panopticon and Foucault then adapted this love u and ur videos
I love how you always say ,,I hope you're all well". I'm actually numb from The dentist😂
always gotta watch a new jordan theresa video 🫡
"Mummy Pig's old tweets resurface" killed me hahahhaha
Amazing video! Quick note, I think Jeremy Bentham is the dude who conceived of the idea for the panopticon as a prison. Foucault furthered the analysis and utilized the idea to hypothesize about surveillance.
8:58 I remember this is incident being on the cover of Time Magazine, where they playfully called it the "End of the World", complete with a parody of the outlet's logo.
“I’m a little bit of a youtuber myself” ruined me 😂😂😂
omg! speaking of Skillshare, Jordan has a class of her own on there and I made a video on tabloid surveillance culture for the class project
You've got a horrible take on puberty blockers so yeah nah imma skip whatever else you're doing
You don't seem to be very well informed on topics that you speak about (you call puberty blockers sterilisation, which is factually wrong) so yeah go do some research before speaking of things you don't know much about before broadcasting misinformation
MORE of this please
smart well-researched video
I think there’s something to be explored around gossip forums and how they play a part in the surveillance landscape as well, especially Tattle, as there you can have loads of threads, and people talking in those threads, solely about one person. I find them fascinating.
I think the gynaepticon is a really good observation when it comes to a lot of detailed online 'discourse' about female celebrities and how they can seem to be more scrutinized for doing similar things as male celebrities (as if there's a higher standard for women that is being upheld by other women) BUT I think that mostly applies to the the more productive discussions that take place online, while most of the abusive and pointlessly horrible comments I see about Chappell Roan for example tend to come from like, shitty twitter men. And I have a suspicion that most of the harassment that female celebrities receive directly (like about their appearance or their body or their sexuality) probably still comes mostly from men as well.
intro got me HYPE
yesss thank you jordan this was what i needed today !!!
youre welcome
Girl, this video was so good, wow.
im in my late 20s and i have resorted to only using snapchat as a social media bc it feels the most private and closed-circle vibes... the tabloid covers on that app are outrageous and something just completely falsed or not included in the tabloid. lots of long-winded paragraphs to get you to engage further feels so predatory, especially with the new endlessly-repeating ads if you cannot tap the screen right away. the only plus is the bite-sized tv show episodes from Bravo or TLC are entertaining for limited breaks at work and when i don't care enough to watch the shows in their entirety lol
Ugh I have major social anxiety and with it the fear of being observed so I'm always anon on social media. But it's definitely partially evolved into the fear of being filmed without my consent like if I even SEE someone with a camera out in public I'm running as fast as I can in the other direction, even if I live in a country where it's not as prevalent (a lot of that sorta embarassing tiktok stuff is filmed of lower class people or drug addicts 🙃)
I really recommend listening to some of Shameless podcast “Scandal” series. Because they cover a history of different celebrities or relationships over a long period of time and often years after the events this allows for a very different perspective than consuming the media in the moment. It also shows the patterns in media and in reporting about different people - for example young women.
That the most prestigious journalism award is named after Pulitzer is something I will never understand.
surveillance culture also makes it unfortunately easier to stalk people and provide easier means of harassing them. i recently had to delete all social media because a former friend was using it (along with my phone number) to bombard me endlessly with calls and messages as well as to keep tabs on what i was doing. i don’t think i’ll be using it anytime soon because i don’t want anyone to have access to me, even with privacy settings
Yesss, i remember i vented about my job on a subreddit dedicated to my workplace (very popular food chain) and someone commented if i lived in (blank) state and i pancked so i lied and said i lived in this other state. Next day, my weird coworker came up to me saying he's going to move to the state that i lied about living in. I thought it was a weird coincidence but he never even ended up moving. I was spooked and deleted my whole reddit account. My reddit was very private, i never posted my name or photos so the fact that my coworker was able to pinpoint me based off of a vent post that didnt include any names or locations was freaky.
Loved the lighting :)
I don't really understand why people are so excited to send pictures to companies or post pictures of strangers. Actors, athletes and musicians BUT still strangers. Can you imagine if people got this rabid over doctors and nurses? They contribute in meaningful ways but we don't collectively as a culture worship them.
"Oh look there goes one of the top, highest paid heart surgeons!"
"Take pictures!" "Take pictures!"
People would be questioning why there are random men and women in scrubs posted on social media and splashed across magazines and newspapers 😂😂😂
love your videos jordan!
Girl did you just describe the panopticon without mentioning Bentham? *Cries internally*
this reminds me of that tumblr post which is something like 'you guys want more complex female characters? you can't even handle chappell roan, real life woman with boundaries'