"If you purely perceive clearly there's no choice. Out of that comes right action. it's only when there is doubt , uncertainty, that you begin to choose. So choice prevents freedom"
"Freedom exists only when there is no confusion" If im so confused that i dont know my left arm from my right arm, im still free to move them. I just might be wrong about which one im moving.
I was asked this question in 9th grade by one of my favorite teachers of all time. The question was, what is freedom. Followed by what is the definition of freedom, and was there more freedom before or after the enlightenment. At first I was astounded by the question, by its complexity and its potential of alternative thinking and the depth of it. I have come to the conclusion that there are 4 different definitions to what freedom is. P.S: Definitions 1 and 2 are more philosophical and depend on the own individuals interpretation, while 3 and 4 are more statistical (if that makes sense). 1.) Freedom of state of mind 2.) Freedom to separate from your ego. 3 and 4 are joint definitions, I will make this easy to understand by using an example. 3.) Freedom to act upon will. 4.) Freedom of government Example: Lets say I walked up and stabbed you, I had the freedom to stab you and you got stabbed. That was my freedom to act upon will. Now freedom of government is lets say I stabbed you and now you have the freedom for the government to come after the stabber. (You can re-read that a couple times to get it) But all in all definitions 3 and 4 can fluctuate depending on the individuals situation. If you live in a developed country you have more freedom of government, while if you live in Somalia in eastern Africa, where there is no central government, there is less freedom of government. This is my feeling on what freedom is, please I would like to hear feedback, negative or positive. - Oliver Dean Govrik
I feel your first definition is the most apt; (in my opinion) the concept of freedom is not something created, but just described by man, just like the breeze or storm is not created by man. So freedom cannot be understood from the perspective of human creation, e.g. attacking someone with a knife. It is human, therefore it cannot be used to define freedom, because freedom transcends it. So the ideal definition of freedom cannot be in any way related to society, law, etiquette, and so on, since these are human; I would say that freedom, then, is the environment, internal or external, that allows life to just be the way it is; a woman to be a woman, a bird to be a bird and without discrimination or judgement of any kind
I didn't get what you want to say in my opinion there is no freedom human is always dependent on Money and so enslaved of his biological needs and demands summing up human is just salve of nature conditioned to survive and reproduce have a family particular name country culture education system belief food water shelter clothes security sanitation security money career health relationship all kinds of physical and mental pain suffering slavery @iampth2sb2n
J.K never qualifies himself as a teacher or anything of that sort, just the opposite! You don’t see his humility, his deep and bright presence to be a light for him and for so many others. Please show some respect. And listen better next time. Truth will set you free.
Freedom is being you and without any ideas of others within you but you and your thoughts alone but of course not doing bad but practice of your freedom from a man made world
If you observe jealousy, anger , sorrow …without judgement / analysis … something changes within us ….that is what he means is Freedom. It’s Choiceless awareness of ugly things as well as beautiful things. Lot of discipline to put that full attention to whatever we’re feeling… ( Choiceless awareness)= freedom! All of us can do it!
If you are happy to live in a “free country,” are you really free? To be conscious that you are “free” is to also be inevitably afraid of losing that freedom, and then the internal joy of being “free” is replaced by a wariness and suspicion - fear! Thus, such “bliss” - which is based on an excellent outward situation or condition - can turn to “piss.” 🙀. Only if there is a inner peace underlying the outer joy does this problem fail to destroy joy.
A friend mentioned freedom in a FB post today and I can see exactly where they are coming from, but what exactly is it? Freedom from pain is an absence of pain, freedom from violence and anger means that violence and anger are absent from your situation, but do we really want freedom? Or do we want connection with the world around us that is free from fear, free from violence and free from exploitation? We are all cogs in the machine and me buying a cheaper product because I don’t have much money to spend probably means the people who made the product worked in worse conditions for lower wages; which makes me responsible for their situation to some degree at least.
you are right, not everyone is free, definitely not the people living in substandard conditions. could slaves in ancient times be free, using any wisdom ? I think all of this only applies to people who have limited themselves psychologically. what I got from the video was that, if we can clearly see what is up to us, and what isn't, then that clarity removes the dilemma of choice. its like realizing free to do what you can do by coming to terms with one's situation. but that doesn't make sense. because sometimes we want things to change, and not everyone has the energy and resources to do it. the conclusion I came to eventually was that, when a human decides to birth another human, like you stated, they become a cog, and people can only be as free as their circumstances allow them.
李德志 Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without external (and internal) hindrance or restraint. Right: An abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature. What Krishnamurti means by freedom is: the ability to observe beings and non beings as they are freshly and anew. That can done only by understanding the movement of the self and that understanding is itself the factor which brings about freedom.
After all these years, and humanity are still idiot's 😉 "Freedom" is to understand,how unique each and every human being are. After all, this planet was given to us,to look after,not destroying it.We as humans are suppose to take care of each other. 🤔 But apparently we love to see humans suffer🤦♂️Freedom will always be only a word.🤪🙏🤞
BG 4.40: But persons who possess neither faith nor knowledge, and who are of a doubting nature, suffer a downfall. For the skeptical souls, there is no happiness either in this world or the next.
+李德志 When freedom becomes taking liberties then it becomes wrong and becomes oppression to another. However, right and wrong in the context of these discussions are better labeled wholesome and fragmented. The usual nuances of Identified 'right' vs 'wrong' creates a lot of neurosis in the human psyche.
you have the right to live but not the freedom...meaning you are allow to exist but you dont have the freedom to live because anyone can take that right away from you...i think the ones that understand freedom the best are monks and prisoners
We are all guilty of what he’s talking about. I agree with him, but to actually apply what he is saying is different than mere agreement. To 100% be a light to yourself, not easy.
He says watch all the disorder and confusion and stuff to get free . But this is not true. First of all when you watch you use your thoughts. When you use your thoughts you choose a thought. Based on himself when their exist choices there exist no freedom because there exist conflict. So, whatever one does one will not get free, just based on the same line of reasoning.
You can attend without thinking. Attention is not thought, it’s prior to thought. Sit somewhere and just observe anything from your breath to whatever you’re listening happening around, smelling, seeing or observe your current emotional state. Do this without describing inwardly anything, no inner speech, not labelling, not judging, no reaction at all. Just let your senses do their job and don’t interfere. You’ll see that even your thoughts pass by just like cars or birds do. Attention is not thought.
@@kanumurisivasatish9295 brother was he enlightened..... He denied all like religion, God, gurus everything...... And tells to search the by yourself but what he has got or realised
This man was so incredibly brilliant.
Joshua Brookhouse thanks for the certification
Not just brilliant, with a great good ♥ heart!
You too...
"If you purely perceive clearly there's no choice. Out of that comes right action. it's only when there is doubt , uncertainty, that you begin to choose. So choice prevents freedom"
I love how he is always so straight forward and very good rethorician so it's easy to grasp what he points to.
"always depending on somebody else, and so this dependance brings great conflict" he said it all!
Very well said... Freedom begins and ends everyone's heart I think.
Omg..... I hv got myself full of tears..... powerful words....love you sir
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He was the most decent charming brilliant human being ❤️
This deserve rewatching ❤️ the more I hear the more it seeps in me in a different deeper way.
Thank you so much . You are brilliant and will always be !
Listening to the speaker has added meaning to life.
Thank you 😊
"Freedom exists only when there is no confusion"
If im so confused that i dont know my left arm from my right arm, im still free to move them. I just might be wrong about which one im moving.
How amazing and how true
Freedom means Ending...Ending of self...The Me..!!
The me wants freedom but it is the only obstacle to it.
@@aquietsky powerful words!
@@aquietsky can the "me" be seen ?
Yes!
@@elenol1310 it can but don't talk about it otherwise you will be called schizophrenic by western culture.
You are a great sir
Only gratitude to you Sir for sharing such a profound wisdoms. I am becoming addictive to read and listen to you lately.
absolutely. all one is freedom. no choices. no outside helps. completeness.
***** the part of you that is never confused. is free.
Yes!
I was asked this question in 9th grade by one of my favorite teachers of all time. The question was, what is freedom. Followed by what is the definition of freedom, and was there more freedom before or after the enlightenment. At first I was astounded by the question, by its complexity and its potential of alternative thinking and the depth of it. I have come to the conclusion that there are 4 different definitions to what freedom is.
P.S: Definitions 1 and 2 are more philosophical and depend on the own individuals interpretation, while 3 and 4 are more statistical (if that makes sense).
1.) Freedom of state of mind
2.) Freedom to separate from your ego.
3 and 4 are joint definitions, I will make this easy to understand by using an example.
3.) Freedom to act upon will.
4.) Freedom of government
Example: Lets say I walked up and stabbed you, I had the freedom to stab you and you got stabbed. That was my freedom to act upon will. Now freedom of government is lets say I stabbed you and now you have the freedom for the government to come after the stabber. (You can re-read that a couple times to get it) But all in all definitions 3 and 4 can fluctuate depending on the individuals situation. If you live in a developed country you have more freedom of government, while if you live in Somalia in eastern Africa, where there is no central government, there is less freedom of government.
This is my feeling on what freedom is, please I would like to hear feedback, negative or positive.
- Oliver Dean Govrik
So according to you freedom differs from country to country
I feel your first definition is the most apt; (in my opinion) the concept of freedom is not something created, but just described by man, just like the breeze or storm is not created by man. So freedom cannot be understood from the perspective of human creation, e.g. attacking someone with a knife. It is human, therefore it cannot be used to define freedom, because freedom transcends it.
So the ideal definition of freedom cannot be in any way related to society, law, etiquette, and so on, since these are human; I would say that freedom, then, is the environment, internal or external, that allows life to just be the way it is; a woman to be a woman, a bird to be a bird and without discrimination or judgement of any kind
I didn't get what you want to say in my opinion there is no freedom human is always dependent on Money and so enslaved of his biological needs and demands summing up human is just salve of nature conditioned to survive and reproduce have a family particular name country culture education system belief food water shelter clothes security sanitation security money career health relationship all kinds of physical and mental pain suffering slavery
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Prags Prajs 😂😂😂
Freedom is freedom from image.
A=A-A
💐🌻🕊🌹🌺..Many 🙏 to 💘 and most respectful Mr. J. Krisnamurti👌..😍😊😍..
Teachers are the greatest trap against freedom who teach what will go wrong instead of what can go right in the journey of Life.
What a load of garb. So you label everybody with something to say as a trap, when you too are expressing your thought?
J.K never qualifies himself as a teacher or anything of that sort, just the opposite!
You don’t see his humility, his deep and bright presence to be a light for him and for so many others.
Please show some respect.
And listen better next time.
Truth will set you free.
Too great too wise
Many,many years ago,he wrote a book titled "Think On These Things";it would do well for all,self included,to do just that
I though his only writings wer his notebook
I think, We might be anywhere in the world and in any situation - freedom is ours at free of cost if we are ready 😀
Yes
Yes, whatever the situation the question remains, how much will I let go of myself in the face of love?
Freedom is being you and without any ideas of others within you but you and your thoughts alone but of course not doing bad but practice of your freedom from a man made world
"Being you " can you explain it some more pls
I’m jealous some others have felt the feeling of being greatly free but I’ve never felt that feeling a single bit
If you observe jealousy, anger , sorrow …without judgement / analysis … something changes within us ….that is what he means is Freedom. It’s Choiceless awareness of ugly things as well as beautiful things.
Lot of discipline to put that full attention to whatever we’re feeling… ( Choiceless awareness)= freedom!
All of us can do it!
Its a radical decision
@@sabvraohow can we do it if it is choicless?
Such a genius 👏🙌😍
9 minutes of total woo-woo but what freedom is not defined! Great job JK.
Ah, the good old trying to define, dissect, understand so you can use that knowledge for yourself!
oh you wanted the concept but you didn't got it lol
He didn't give us the formula, how evil!
Not a fan of Socrates are you? The import things are not easily defined.
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4:44 what is freedom
If you are happy to live in a “free country,” are you really free? To be conscious that you are “free” is to also be inevitably afraid of losing that freedom, and then the internal joy of being “free” is replaced by a wariness and suspicion - fear!
Thus, such “bliss” - which is based on an excellent outward situation or condition - can turn to “piss.” 🙀. Only if there is a inner peace underlying the outer joy does this problem fail to destroy joy.
You expressed clearly what happens in my mind everyday. 🙏
If you are afraid of losing freedom, then you are not free
There are no such thing as a free country. It will always be a dream. But never a reality.
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A friend mentioned freedom in a FB post today and I can see exactly where they are coming from, but what exactly is it? Freedom from pain is an absence of pain, freedom from violence and anger means that violence and anger are absent from your situation, but do we really want freedom? Or do we want connection with the world around us that is free from fear, free from violence and free from exploitation?
We are all cogs in the machine and me buying a cheaper product because I don’t have much money to spend probably means the people who made the product worked in worse conditions for lower wages; which makes me responsible for their situation to some degree at least.
you are right, not everyone is free, definitely not the people living in substandard conditions. could slaves in ancient times be free, using any wisdom ? I think all of this only applies to people who have limited themselves psychologically. what I got from the video was that, if we can clearly see what is up to us, and what isn't, then that clarity removes the dilemma of choice. its like realizing free to do what you can do by coming to terms with one's situation. but that doesn't make sense. because sometimes we want things to change, and not everyone has the energy and resources to do it. the conclusion I came to eventually was that, when a human decides to birth another human, like you stated, they become a cog, and people can only be as free as their circumstances allow them.
Does the word "freedom" have definition ？
What is the meaning of "freedom" ？
李德志
Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without external (and internal) hindrance or restraint.
Right: An abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature.
What Krishnamurti means by freedom is: the ability to observe beings and non beings as they are freshly and anew. That can done only by understanding the movement of the self and that understanding is itself the factor which brings about freedom.
@Sorrybut No yes
Freedom means being free.
After all these years, and humanity are still idiot's 😉 "Freedom" is to understand,how unique each and every human being are. After all, this planet was given to us,to look after,not destroying it.We as humans are suppose to take care of each other. 🤔 But apparently we love to see humans suffer🤦♂️Freedom will always be only a word.🤪🙏🤞
Stop doing for a minute, remain empty, this is freedom! In hope you will have the blessing to experience it!
Freedom is to decide to put the paper to the ground when it gets distracting to the listeners!
Now i k what u tryna say . I can summarised the whole lesson in two words - " Be confident " . opps this word exists .
BG 4.40: But persons who possess neither faith nor knowledge, and who are of a doubting nature, suffer a downfall. For the skeptical souls, there is no happiness either in this world or the next.
What is the different between freedom and right ？
Any one can answer ？
+李德志 When freedom becomes taking liberties then it becomes wrong and becomes oppression to another. However, right and wrong in the context of these discussions are better labeled wholesome and fragmented. The usual nuances of Identified 'right' vs 'wrong' creates a lot of neurosis in the human psyche.
you have the right to live but not the freedom...meaning you are allow to exist but you dont have the freedom to live because anyone can take that right away from you...i think the ones that understand freedom the best are monks and prisoners
Freedom is the power to overcome evil within you and the evil outside.
Freedom is one of the right
And by right it is what is due to you
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dont agree 100% with his philosophy but he have a point
It's healthy to have your own opinions, metaphysical assumptions, etc, as long as you can transcend them!
There's no philosophy it's honest enquiry
Freedom is when I'm not force to read ur lesson in bcom 3 year . Irony is I can't apply ur unrealistic ideas coz I'll fail in my exams then .
When will / can I befree from the speaker 😂
"Hell is other people"
if you have visa card no freedom😡
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We are all guilty of what he’s talking about. I agree with him, but to actually apply what he is saying is different than mere agreement. To 100% be a light to yourself, not easy.
He says watch all the disorder and confusion and stuff to get free . But this is not true. First of all when you watch you use your thoughts. When you use your thoughts you choose a thought. Based on himself when their exist choices there exist no freedom because there exist conflict. So, whatever one does one will not get free, just based on the same line of reasoning.
You can attend without thinking.
Attention is not thought, it’s prior to thought.
Sit somewhere and just observe anything from your breath to whatever you’re listening happening around, smelling, seeing or observe your current emotional state.
Do this without describing inwardly anything, no inner speech, not labelling, not judging, no reaction at all. Just let your senses do their job and don’t interfere.
You’ll see that even your thoughts pass by just like cars or birds do.
Attention is not thought.
this guy is talking a bad test of my patience
He didn't answer
You are at kindergarten stage.. I too first thought he is escaping from answering
@@kanumurisivasatish9295 brother was he enlightened..... He denied all like religion, God, gurus everything...... And tells to search the by yourself but what he has got or realised
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