Blizzcon Apology was said to a room full of idiots"When I think about what I’m most unhappy about, it’s really two things - the first is that we didn’t live up to the high standards that we set for ourselves, and the second is we failed in our purpose."... then later rubber stamped WC3R to be released as is.
TBH I don't know if Blizzard knows how to make games anymore. It's been a tragedy every time they release something for a long time now - excluding classic but they left that untouched from the golden era.
False advertisement only pertains to what is on the box and the exact web page selling the product. If No Man's Sky wasn't legally guilty of it, there's no way blizzard will be either.
I'd say cancel wow subscriptions and in the feedback tell them we don't appreciate their Reforge respond because we are afraid it is OUR fault we won't enjoy Shadowlands either
Activision Blizzard logic: STEP 1: Showcase a polished cinematic and the game assets STEP 3: Watch the money flow in from preorders STEP 3.5: debate on wether to finish the game or not STEP 3.75: don't and just sell what they got STEP 4: Watch gamers get swindled STEP 4.5: Fix the game slowly Step 5: ????? Profit
Blizzard doesn't even know how to apologize... _"We're sorry _*_YOU_*_ didn't get the experience you wanted, it's _*_YOUR_*_ fault you didn't like the game..."_ I haven't heard such a bad apology since Mel Gibson.
Remember the apology at Blizzcon where they promised they "...to make matters worse, we were too slow to talk to all of you." “When I think about what I’m most unhappy about, it’s really two things - the first is that we didn’t live up to the high standards that we set for ourselves, and the second is we failed in our purpose. And for that, I’m sorry and I accept accountability." ...so, they took a dump on that apology, took forever to respond to reports (fan, media and critics alike), gave us a vague and frankly dishonest response, and delivered a poor standard gaming product, complete failure on all fronts. I mean slow response.... Bellular made three WC3R videos in that time :P
I remember back when Blizzard was "It will be ready, when it's ready. We want our fans to have the best in game experience. We feel that releasing a game before it is ready for release will diminish that gaming experience. We realize this will disappoint many of our fans that we have missed a promised deadline. However we feel that the additional wait will be more than worth it." You know what? When the game came out and it worked perfect and looked awesome. No one gave two shits about the missed deadline, because they were right. The wait was worth it. That is why when Blizzard merged with Activision I was upset because I knew then that was the death of a company I had grown to respect and trust.
So true. Especially the Activision merger part. Another studio, Bungie went through similar process as Blizzard, Destiny and Destiny 2 are rushed out to the market when it's not ready under the request of Activision, and Bungie has to slowly adjust and fix the games into what they are today. And that's a main reason why Bungie decided to stop working for Activision.
What fantasy world do you live in? Vanilla was rife with bugs and rushed, WoTLK didn't have half the features advertised You just didn't have UA-cam talking heads to make you upset
Saintlel lmao true, that said lots of the mistakes are worse nowadays (sacrificing the old warcraft 3 rather than keeping it active while also releasing reforged is pretty much inexcusable.)
@@dingodyno9016 As if I could forget Uther. Look here where we stand... Oh no the peoples are already bought the trashed game they may looked fine now but it's a matter of time before they criticize for refund.
There's something extremely patronising and out of touch with that response. It's like Blizzard think it's still 2011 and they're the most reputable and revered developer out there that always knows what's best, except it's now 2020 and their reputation is in complete and utter shambles.
The management is probably in complete denial. I've seen similar responses in one company I used to work and there the management constantly bombarded the clients and even their own employees with false sense of positive notions as well as legit propaganda. I've been a witness to even a senior engineer debating a senior manager and that guy proved to him with arguments and real data that things weren't going well and that manager just labelled him an enemy at the end. Years after that debate the company is struggling really badly when it comes to forming teams that are efficient and knowledgeable, in order to deal with the main operations, which I'd assume leads to many unhappy customers. I don't think the developers of the game are at fault. I think they did what they could do in this situation. All the blame should fall onto the management, who put the developers into that situation and of course, lied to their customer base.
One thing people stop saying when it comes from game from BIG company it's the word "developer". They are not the one in charge here, they probably were 3 working on crazy deadlines for this game or they put cheap intern for this game. Most of the time applications are shit more because the managers are imposing unrealizable deadlines to their tech team.
The Irony is that Warcraft is a fantasy series. Literally, WC3 is unable to be played anymore after their patch. They literally sold a fantasy (game) that isn't there anymore.
@@Xport9 too bad, otherwise it would be a good way to make money… all these phone games and AAA games are false advertising, so could get rich real fast :P
I'm going to go and try Everquest 2, apparently they've been free to play this whole time and released a crap load of expansions. . We've been forking money over to blizzard for World of Warcraft and it's crap.
Wybrem same here.. I was excited for this but I wanted to see the reviews just in base And now I’m so happy I didn’t buy it.. such a disappointment .. blizzard is gone down hill..
"first is that we didn’t live up to the high standards that we set for ourselves, and the second is we failed in our purpose. And for that, I’m sorry and I accept accountability." - Blizzcon, 2019 "we are sorry you are asking for a refund, but your not getting one" lawyer whispers in their ear "we are sorry the law says we have to give a refund" - Blizzard, 2020
Christ, it's almost like Blizzard is actively testing how much it can alienate their fans. "Lowest rated game in Metacritic history? Customer Support overflowing with refund demands? Eh, looks fine to us. Shame you don't think so too."
It's just more "we don't care so long as it makes money". EA have been getting away with it for decades. Just accept that Blizzard's dead now and find something new.
Stackable options and scrolls, quest objectives marked on the map, damaged-only health bars, TFT food limit and tuning in the ROC campaign, should I go on?
@@lucina7881 Hey, you make not like those changes or you might think they aren't enough, but they *are* a number of quality of life improvements. So claiming there aren't any is BS. And how typical of the Reforged hate-mob to call anybody who disagrees with them a dipshit or a shill.
@@XavionofThera Those stackable items and TFT stat tuning destroy the Reign of Chaos campaign's balance. In addition to that, they forced in a humongous amount of general nerfs to difficulty in both campaigns, making the 'hard' difficulty an utter joke. That's not quality of life improvements, that's ruining the gameplay for anyone with an iq above 80.
@@stanvanr7149 I agree that the nerfs are bad, which is why I didn't mention them as an improvement. But CMON now, not being able to stack items and being randomly capped at 90 was a pain before. But it doesn't affect the difficulty enough to say it "ruins the balance". But that said, if they make it easier and you don't like that it's easier, that doesn't change the fact that it's still quality of life improvements.
"I'm sorry that you didn't support us while we destroyed gaming history and relied on false advertisements to sell our product. Our staff is so dedicated that most of our new employees are working 60 hours a week to read through your concerns and feedback and we are and have been, actively working on some of the missing preexisting features that we scalped, but we won't tell you what or when because we more than clearly don't give a shit... Thank you, fans of warcraft 3, we appreciate your money."
or just take WC3 reforged off of battle.net send an appology letter to fans.. like a real one!.. THEN say either old wc3 classic is coming back and reforged isnt happening, OR say WC3 classic is coming back but reforged will be its own separate thing, and will someday in the distant future become what we tricked u guys into thinking it would be at launch. OR say that WC3 classic is coming back AND reforged has been temporarily taken down until it is completed and become how we originally advertised 2 years ago. Either way bring original WC3 reign of chaos and Frozen throne back EXAACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL UNTAMPERED, EVERYTHING TO THE LAST CODE NUMBER EVERYTHING EXACTLY BACK NO IMPROVEMENTS NOTHING TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE U THINK ITS UNUSED EVERYTHING!! JUST BRING IT BACK HOW IT WAS. idk how other way to say this blizzard. We are all getting very sick and tired of your games no pun intended... lol
@@hydrogenmissle That would only serve to piss off even more people, namely the ones who paid and like what they got. All ten of them. Besides, the answer is to fix what's there, not just stripping things away. That's what lead to this fiasco in the first place.
Its like StarWars. People live in their memories of how good it was Instead of seeing that the company is owned by someone els now that is just useing the same packageing (BrandName)
@@peterixxx as apposed to what they've already done with Diablo??? game 1 not my bag really, like the concept just not fun to me, story though was fantastic, game 2 redoes the same story from the first game, same events, more heroes but only new story element was that the original heroes became the new threat, diablo 3 day one failure, finallly get's it working, auction house sucks ass and ruins loot, that get's fixed, story is the same as the first 2 games, same events and all that..... Diablo is a rehash series of the same pool of ideas and you think Diablo 4 will be better?? Cue the J Jonah Jamesen laughing scene, it's hysterical how Bliztard still has people wrapped around their finger believing their fart lies....ugh it smells in here, smells like pig shit...[oink oink] and I'm out ski ya.....
Red Lantern's Rage Okay, from your comment it doesn’t really seem like you have played Diablo. I will agree with you on the third game, but your take on Diablo 1 & 2 not so much. It seems you have a problem with story of those game, and that’s fine, but what we are worried about is if they gonna fuck up the gameplay of the first two games, like they fucked up Warcraft 3, not so much the story.
That "weird company" was also the one that they hired for the sc remaster that went over very well... The "weird company" did actually do an excellent job. Its not their fault Activision managed Blizzard pushed an unfinished turd out and actually thought we'd like paying 40 dollars for an hd mod and empty promises.
@@dreadbull5039 Larian is going pretty good with its divinity series now, i think all the good companys we remember that got too big was corrupted by CEO and merger fuckery so just go looking for the new upcoming studios and keep in mind they too will one day become soulless husks if they get to big, i try not to get too attached to IPs now
@@dreadbull5039 Lol who the hell plays anything from EA? I'm talking about League of Legends or Dota vs Heroes of the Storm, Elder Scrolls Online and Final Fantasy 14 vs World of Warcraft, Path of Exile vs Diablo 3. Are you really defending Warcraft 3 Refunded?
Agree that the Heroes of the Storm models look incredibly better compared to what they did with W3r. And i don't understand why they didn't use the models from HotS in W3r. Oh i know why, because instead of trying to use a modern engine (the Starcraft 2 engine, that they already own) and import the models from HotS into it (HotS is made using the Starcraft 2 engine), they chose to cheap out on it and just use the original Warcraft 3 engine and just change the model textures. It's not a rework, it's just a friggin texture upgrade!
I always felt bad for HotS. It looks fantastic and the map variety was amazing, yet people still hype their boring ass 1-map LOL. I don't blame Blizz for cutting support for it, I actually blame very stubborn kids for not giving a very solid moba a chance, for no reason.
@@jaeusa160 the game looks amazing, very polished and insanely fun at the start. But after a while, it becomes insanely stale man... its way too shallow for a MOBA.
This what happens when you sell your company out to investors. The entertainment industry is buying up the gaming industry and that's why you see all this ship going on. Because movie remakes can only be milked so much
Raven wings exactly. Shitty sequels and unwanted remakes are something both the movie and gaming industry have in common right now... No wonder why both are falling faster than an asteroid entering Earth’s atmosphere!
Then you ask, but how raven do we combat this bullshit?? Well the power is all in your hands. Make no mistake these investors I have millions of dollars to squander. But they're looking for returns. Step one: Stop pre ordering, if there is a game you like, any game. Wait 3 weeks for reviews of other tools that buy it day one. And if the game looks good and has good reviews from all over get it (the new starwars game) by EA was a good game. This teaches developers, managers and investors that if they make a good product they get their reward. 2nd: Stop falling for it, wat? You know this feeling. You see a new game coming say half life vr and you just got to play it. You believe it has to be good. Stop it.. Companies are in the market to make money the difference between cost to produce and return of Investment. That's all a company care about. They dont care about the Source material or anything else. Get wise to the ways of business
No on a legendary ip . Activision shouldn't have the word what and how is made , only on new projects , this is the way you say we love our studio , their passion and we support their will to bring the great stuff from a decade to the new generation of players just as this talented people intended to represent it and their names with the product . Instead this ugly lie now bring not just Warcraft 3 down but the company and great deal of the consumer trust so yeah fuck you and your stupidity you will pay it in cash bastards !
@@ravenwings7945 preach! I know the reach is small but still worth it. pre-order only accomplishes two things: give incentives for companies to cut content and sell you at a premium remove incentives to actually finish and polish their games
"Do they know they messed up? I would say probably..." Really? I'm not seeing any indication of that at all. In fact, all I'm seeing is the good ol' Blizzard arrogance, trying to push the blame back on to players for their *expectations*. What was it they said? "We are sorry you didn't have the experience *you wanted*" That's pretty fucking despicable. It should have been "We are sorry we didn't deliver a completed or competent game and taking your money for it".
Ikr!? I just don't get why it has to be so confusing. This ain't advertising for cigarettes back in the 50s where you claim they have medicinal value. This ain't mobile gaming, where you just cobble up anything and then sell a Lords Mobile crapfest. This is AAA gaming. With a history and a really large and experienced an base. Why did ActiBlizz think they can advertise something and deliver something else, and then blame players for having any sort of expectation? It's not how advertising works. The hype is generated by the advertisement. The expectations are built on the advertisement. If your ad is fake, then it's not client's fault for being unsatisfied with your undelivered end result. I don't get companies like EA and Activision.
People would have more respect for them if they had just admitted they screwed up royally. Instead they talk to us like we are idiots. They are completely out of touch not only with their customers, but with reality.
It's sad but lots of people just dont pay much attention to game news. I know growing up I didn't pay attention to the popular public news of gaming. I got a game and I played it in in single player or split screen with people I knew and only really asked at a store when a sequel was coming out. Of course I was younger then
@Adam Young 10 years ago I bought a game based on it's description or if I'd played the prequel to it. If the game was crap I didn't get the next one. If it wanted money beyond buying the game I never spent it. I didn't have it to spend and the game price to buy it was hard enough on me to spend. I have never even paid for Xbox live or an online sub for an MMO before, so microtransactions are something I have never done on console/PC games. I did spend 5$ on a phone game once but that was it.
They aren't going to do that mostly because admitting your wrong tends to not go well in any industry when it comes to investors. behind closed doors legally you aren't allowed to lie to investors, but on public statements you can say whatever you want. anyone remember the time JC penny brought up the fact that everyone was just charging double the price on what cloths were actually worth and then tricking people into thinking they were saving money by basically selling everything on sale for what it was actually worth, so JC penny just ended that sales and sold everything at retail and other clothing stores started a mass propaganda campaign telling everyone their cloths were lower quality despite the fact they were all selling the same brands. The CEO got fired and it drove them to near bankruptcy. Sure that's clothing but point still stands because well most of the people at the top of these companies when it comes to videogames don't have anything to do with videogames a lot of them are clothing line executives.
I'm done this was last straw for me. Every two years or so I log.onto wc3 and play all the weird dbZ, anime, and Pokemon games.. I've done this since the game came out...... Now with reforged a big chunk of my gaming history has been removed from.me... to me this feels like some.one taking away half the maps of Mario 64 re- releasing it... Then destroying every old copy of n64 Mario so those maps can never be played again. This is such a new conversation in intelctual vs consumer property.. they have crossed a terrible threshold... Arthas.. i.mean blizzard
Amazing how they sound so damn excited when announcing they'll be putting in features they removed 'in an upcoming patch'....as opposed to when they just first released it. Cause why wouldn't people be excited to wait to get back stuff they already had for years before?
Come now, this is Activision. Blizzard started dying in 2007 immediately after the merger, when they did things they claimed they never would for server life like server transfers from 3 months to 3 day along with PvE to PvP transfers and it devastated servers, all in the name of money and they was immediately after the merger. It went downhill year over year regardless of the claims of autonomy. That is why by 2012 you saw Diablo III decimated by an real money AH. That wasn't Blizzard, that was Bobby playing his hand directly in gameplay. Fanboys have just been wearing rose tinted glasses since 2006 and blind to reality. It continued with the final proof when Overwatch launched as a premium game with Loot-boxes and they normalized them, yet caught almost no hate because Blizzard. They were doing Battlefront I/II type garbage but got less hate because Blizzard fans justify the dick in their ass because a Blizzard dick is somehow not as bad as an EA dick. It is nonsense and fans need to stop being fanboys.
Thanks for posting this video Bellular News. While I was busy on my computer and tuning some settings, I heard you mention that there's automation refunds. So I followed a link in google, and got 30$ back for pre-purchasing Poocraft 3. Thanks again
"We want to preserve the true spirit of Warcraft III and allow players to relive those unforgettable moments as they were" = "People think we'll just mess it up if we try make improvements, and we agree with them".
@@godlygamer911 bullshit, not even World of WarCraft fans like the post WarCraft 3 storyline. Many people including myself told Blizzard to bugger off with their story rewrites.
*sigh* I remember when Blizzard would release anything and I would be dying waiting for it. It was very much a "shut up and take my money!" But they have gotten to the point of "I don't know if I want to get the next Diablo". When I said that yesterday to my wife she was shocked since I've always gotten them asap. I just can't trust that Blizzard will give me the polished game.
First Bioware then Bethesda, now Blizzard. I'm sensing a pattern here..... PS: As always: never preorder, never buy day 1, and never purchase microtransactions.
This is why I will not pre-order the new WoW expansion or Diablo 4. Blizzard used to put out great games that I wouldn't worry about pre-ordering but I've completely lost faith in Blizzard after this disaster. Thank Jebus I didn't waste $30 on this trash fire. “We did not want the in-game cutscenes to steer too far from the original game,” Blizzard said. “We went a little deeper into the thought process behind that at the show, but the main takeaway is that the campaigns tell one of the classic stories in Warcraft history, and we want to preserve the true spirit of Warcraft III and allow players to relive these unforgettable moments as they were (albeit rebuilt with new animations and the higher fidelity art).” Real meaning: "It was too hard to do and we couldn't be assed to do it, so we decided to be lazy and not go through with new cutscenes so we left it out hoping you wouldn't notice." Change EULA: "We don't want another DOTA situation to get away from us to steal your created content and make truck loads of $$$."
The fact that they planned on being excited to work on patches for the game in the future is bad enough...they've had 2+ YEARS to work on a simple overhaul of a game that already exists...
Blizzard will start to realise the strength of Brand and how much damage this has actually done to them beyond the limited Warcraft III brand. I have cancelled my plans to preorder Shadowlands based on this. I wonder how many other people watching BFA's current problems, and relying on the "every other expansion in wow is good" logic - which people have said and I've heard since Legion. A lot of people are looking at Blizzard with a complete lack of faith in their commitment to creating good products, which will effect purchases of every single IP that they produce until they make an amazing game that justifies the cost. Think about faith in Blizzard now, their reputation wasn't necessarily for being imaginative, but for taking ideas that others had made, and producing the most polished and fun version of that genre. They have lost this, preorders will be down for Diablo 4, Shadowlands, and any other IP that Blizzard create.
@@bartkorol611 D4 is their final hope. They may linger longer then they should because those WOW subscriptions, but when those eventually dry up, its over for them.
Bart Korol I absolutely think this is true, but I think it won’t be on day one, people will wait for people who don’t pull punches like Bellular or Preach to review it first and then they will buy it. It’s certainly what I will be doing.
They were sitting on a power cake that leaked like a fountain on steroids. Actvision: Hey let's play with fire around here. Entire Brand blows up into their faces and third degrees them over 98% of thier body. Activision: Surprised Pikachu Face
Business these days.... 1) Use brand prestige to charge full price 2) Release minimum viable product (Should not be happening with a AAA company) 3) Fire some of the workforce and establish a fear culture in the workplace. Work hard or go find another job 4) Fill missing workforce with outsourced labour. 5) Provide no refunds and offer loot boxes as a alternative to the refund. 6) Ban all accounts with negative reviews. 7) Own all intellectual rights to maximise future income. I really hope this situation improves.
If it wasn't for the promises they made, like the actual cinematics, I'd of been on the side of "People just don't know the difference between a reMASTER and a reMAKE." But Blizz said it would have new* things in it, rather than it just looking better.
I LOVE how you don’t blame the devs directly and that it’s more of a management thing. Often times this is the case with many things, and many don’t give credit to them. You have given a very even tempered analysis of this. A lot of it is mainly about a lack of communication. Even the lack of consistency could have been overlooked with a single email to pre-orders. You also give a solution to the problem. Subbed man!
Agreed. So much of this could have been solved with communication but the intent that changed back when Activision merged with blizzard is finally showing. This is the Zombie Rotten Corpse Blizzard is now. The Devs are desperately trying to save WCIII but Shareholders and Legal management are destroying every attempt.
Yeah man! playing warcraft II and wanting to be involved with making Games since young age... Now am more about making soundtracks. But I felt the same👍🏼🌬🎶
Lol, this reminds me of myself and friends in high school where we half-jokingly would say we would get employed in Blizz as their janitors and would draw on their toilet paper our concepts for a chance to hire us as artists. The was more than 10 years ago when the Sons of the Storm reigned supreme.
I grew up practically dreaming of the day I could work for Blizzard. They helped shape my childhood, got me into the RPG and RTS genres, and helped spur my artistic passions (thank you, Metzen and Didier!). But then Activision happened. And just like how UA-cam changed and ruined my motivation to continue making videos, now the last thing I want to do is work for Blizzard.. or really any gaming company. It's soul-crushing to have your aspirations nosedive due to corruption and corporate greed.
I really like that you distinguished between giving a like or subscribing because I usually don't watch this kind of news but I really liked your coverage of this incident and how you kind of speak for me or represent me, since my voice can't be heard by Blizzard, but yours might be. So I wanted to give you a like initially until you said that because that really impressed me and so I subscribed. But who knows, maybe I am just easily impressed, haha
Me: steals my money, false advertised, deleted the original game I've payed for and swapped it for the new version I don't want. removes all the key features. WE HAVEN'T EVENT GOT DIABLO IMMORTAL YET FFS. (not saying I am looking forwards to that dumpster fire of a game just saying their empty promises is just pity to say the least) Blizzard: *almost heaven, west Virginia!* Warcraft 76
When I saw "Regret" as the only option for refund that almost fit, I chose it. If you notice it is a trend now for companies to insult their customers in an attempt to shame you into compliance. This is happening in everything in our society so companies can be lazier and lazier. Instead of them trying to please, they expect you to please them for garbage with your hard earned money. "Thank you sir for your hotdog water icecream. Much better than chocolate. "
Not really. EULA nowadays are pretty much written that you don't own anything (music, videos, games, software). Hell, getting a refund is just luck that the EU and Australia forced most game "services" to recognise they are bound to regional consumer protection laws. So best you can do is make a consumer complaint, or bitch and moan till they reinstate it.
I'm surprised there is no talk of legal action from those who bought the original, then had massive changes (removal of features, etc.) retroactively ruin the product they bought years ago. I'm really starting to think that the internet is the worst thing that has happened to gaming since the crash in the 80s. It was the rise of the internet that allowed micro-transactions, day 1 DLC, season passes, updates ruining good games months or years after release, and virtually every other malicious practice we hate about the modern game industry. None of it would be possible without a network connection. Sure, with internet we can play with people from around the world, but jesus...what a price to pay.
At the next BlizCon, every single person that steps up to a mic for Q&A needs to say "We don't want to talk to you. Bring out the people who decided that 8.3 and Reforged were good for release and make them answer to us."
@Agent 005 - that guy got to the mic at the Diablo Immortal reveal and famously said "is this an out of season April Fool's Joke?" As many people as possible need to ruin the Q&A by demanding answers. They can lie if asked in advance what their question will be.
I don't understand. Why would they show a cinematic "reforged" cutscene in the game and essentially lie to their customers and say that all of the cutscenes will be getting the same treatment. Yet they didn't. That's false marketing. I bet a lot of ppl would've been more happy if they had just done a graphical update on the game and made it a smoother experience. They promised stuff they couldn't deliver... Why...
Gamer: I miss this game Every AAA company: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!! we can make more money by selling them the game back piece by piece and they wont be mad
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Ty James I have to say, it’s fucking fantastic. It’s just much more refined version of the game. The Ai is intelligent, and the balance changes were well thought out imo. Makes me feel like a child again.
I had these 2 barbers growing up. They gave me my first haircut. They were brothers, and owned a little shop in the middle of my large town. They gave the best haircuts, gaining a reputation that spanned across an 3 cities. Hogh, they were never that busy. After about 40 years, the older brother was gojng to retire, and sell his half of the shop. His younger brother agreed, saying he could get a chair at any shop or salon, which he did. Some people decided they waned to buy the buisness, thinking the location was the key aspect to the huge success. They bought the location, and the name. After about 3 months, they tried sueing the brothers for loss of profit, thinking the brothers had attacked the reputation of the buyers. Nope. The brothers had such a great reputation, they always had customers. The new people sucked, and had no idea how to run a buisness, or cut hair. It fell through. The younger brother has made every location hes gone to a busy place, with full lobbies. Thats blizzard. BLIZZARD North left long ago to create their own idea of diablo 3 because Activision fucked them over back in bout 2007. So, the reason blizzard was great is no longer there, and hasnt been for a long time. Diablo 3 should explain that. Cartoonish characters, unicorn level? Crappy loot system... lets be honest, it sucks compared to the d2 system. Diablo 3 was supposed to be dark. Very dark. Very lifelike. So, Blizzard can literally fuck right off. I went from 9 years of PC STRAIGHT to console when blizzard betrayed us in 2007
This was a preemptive letter that was written before the backlash and was probably written before release. It's now the go to action for backlash to release a "We're sorry" boil-plate template whenever there is any backlash. They will keep doing this until it stops working, which it seems for this case, it has.
My biggest confusion with the new Eula for War3R custom games is whether or not it matches the current one for SC2, since I still see plenty of games there using outside IP (like all the GoT roleplay games)
Sadly it really seems like this IS the new "Blizzard" quality product. I purchased it entirely for the wow mount since I am a mount collector, but on principle I have refunded it and left a very clear survey response.
"I told you you think you want but you don't. I was actually talking about WIII, which you are unhappy with, which I told you you would be. Please stop making memes about me" - some guy at Blizz, who I can't be bothered to name.
They promised 8000 new models including individual models for every named character in melee games. I also expected World Editor for Mac. They were what I looked forward to the most. They failed on both accounts.
8:45 Thank you for addressing what's been bothering me the most from this remake. Which is, it's a remaster, in part, but in part, a remake (visually speaking). We have these high fidelity hyper realistic models, running around in really old maps (when it comes to shapes, etc..) with those clunky trees, and cartoony proportioned buildings. It's literally what from day 1 kept me away from liking this "Reforge". Seeing the models you'd expect an upgrade of everything, but because they want to keep both games synched up, they only upgraded the models, but not the maps, geography, etc.. So frankly, the models and the buildings/environments, they just don't merge well together in my opinion. It feels like a mod honestly. I would have liked an engine upgrade like SC1/Brood war -> StarCraft 2 to bring the game to current visual standards. But like this? It just feels like they don't fit together, the models and the environments/buildings (I only found the Night Elves more bearable due to most of their buildings being trees I guess, but that still leaves the map environments and geography feeling flat and completely lacking).
And on the point of AoE 2 Definitive Edition, what's great is the pricing. It costs 20€ with all the expansions + the new one, and if you have HD edition, 15€. Since it comes with a new expansion, and at least a new Inca campaign too, if you have HD you literally pay for the new expansion only basically. It's a really fair price, and nowadays, it's certainly appreciated haha
Team Bellular, I keep appreciating your breakdown of gaming content and news. Thanks for taking the time to cover events like this to bring awareness to the gaming community and hopefully Blizzard. Sometimes the best teacher is failure itself, and blizzard seems to be executing a lot of mistakes recently.
Everyone with a brain knew that this game would be SHIT when it was ANNOUNCED. This is the time for everyone to boycott them since they couldn't even leave their BEST GAME, WC3, ALONE.
Funnily enough I'm sure this was announced somewhere near when I stopped playin wow mid legion and even I knew it was just a scam or at least a gimmick... Now, I'm like holy shit people BOUGHT this?
The response is made with focus not to give ammunition for laywers. If they says they did poor, it would be used against them as they know they are in the wrong. Now if a lawsuit comes, they can just say "we think we did okay"
"we're sorry you expected us to be honest....idiots"
"we're sorry you wanted a high quality video game for your money"
Blizzcon Apology was said to a room full of idiots"When I think about what I’m most unhappy about, it’s really two things - the first is that we didn’t live up to the high standards that we set for ourselves, and the second is we failed in our purpose."... then later rubber stamped WC3R to be released as is.
TBH I don't know if Blizzard knows how to make games anymore. It's been a tragedy every time they release something for a long time now - excluding classic but they left that untouched from the golden era.
@@RainPotion no they didnt, they releasing phases before time, changing range mechanics etc... not even classic is "golden" anymore :/
Want to relive your nostalgia....well fuck you!!!
They are still advertising the altered cut scenes and upgraded gameplay on their main website even though that is not what you get
Clayton Parris Blizzard's legal team: Well ummmm.. *pulls neck tie* ... ahem, these things take time...
Theres gotta be a lawsuit in there somewhere
@@ghostnoodle9721 Who needs a legal team when Ion is probably who they consulted as their inhouse blue badge lawyer?
False advertisement only pertains to what is on the box and the exact web page selling the product. If No Man's Sky wasn't legally guilty of it, there's no way blizzard will be either.
@@zechsblack5891 it is still on the exact website and is still false advertising FYI
*STEP ONE:* _Don't buy Activision/Blizzard products_
*STEP TWO:* _Repeat STEP ONE_
*STEP FOUR:* TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT STEP ONE.
I'd say cancel wow subscriptions and in the feedback tell them we don't appreciate their Reforge respond because we are afraid it is OUR fault we won't enjoy Shadowlands either
here i fixed it for ya: STEP ONE: Don't buy any presale product, just final/launch versions.
Activision Blizzard logic:
STEP 1: Showcase a polished cinematic and the game assets
STEP 3: Watch the money flow in from preorders
STEP 3.5: debate on wether to finish the game or not
STEP 3.75: don't and just sell what they got
STEP 4: Watch gamers get swindled
STEP 4.5: Fix the game slowly
Step 5: ?????
Profit
Boosted Lúcio starting to think this is great advice!
"This entire company must be purged"
"There must be another way!"
Blizzard doesn't even know how to apologize... _"We're sorry _*_YOU_*_ didn't get the experience you wanted, it's _*_YOUR_*_ fault you didn't like the game..."_
I haven't heard such a bad apology since Mel Gibson.
Thing is Mel Gibson’ shouldn’t have apologised
@@articlered2334 terrible b8 m8.
@@articlered2334 Never apologize for drunken tirades! (sarcasm)
@@ThisChangeIsAwful how is it b8?
Remember the apology at Blizzcon where they promised they "...to make matters worse, we were too slow to talk to all of you." “When I think about what I’m most unhappy about, it’s really two things - the first is that we didn’t live up to the high standards that we set for ourselves, and the second is we failed in our purpose. And for that, I’m sorry and I accept accountability."
...so, they took a dump on that apology, took forever to respond to reports (fan, media and critics alike), gave us a vague and frankly dishonest response, and delivered a poor standard gaming product, complete failure on all fronts. I mean slow response.... Bellular made three WC3R videos in that time :P
I remember back when Blizzard was "It will be ready, when it's ready. We want our fans to have the best in game experience. We feel that releasing a game before it is ready for release will diminish that gaming experience. We realize this will disappoint many of our fans that we have missed a promised deadline. However we feel that the additional wait will be more than worth it."
You know what? When the game came out and it worked perfect and looked awesome. No one gave two shits about the missed deadline, because they were right. The wait was worth it. That is why when Blizzard merged with Activision I was upset because I knew then that was the death of a company I had grown to respect and trust.
I miss that initial Blizzard and good old time.
So true. Especially the Activision merger part. Another studio, Bungie went through similar process as Blizzard, Destiny and Destiny 2 are rushed out to the market when it's not ready under the request of Activision, and Bungie has to slowly adjust and fix the games into what they are today. And that's a main reason why Bungie decided to stop working for Activision.
What fantasy world do you live in? Vanilla was rife with bugs and rushed, WoTLK didn't have half the features advertised
You just didn't have UA-cam talking heads to make you upset
Saintlel lmao true, that said lots of the mistakes are worse nowadays (sacrificing the old warcraft 3 rather than keeping it active while also releasing reforged is pretty much inexcusable.)
Saintlel Activision actually merged with Blizzard during the Wotlk expansion era so yes.
Glad you could refund it, Uther.
watch your tone with me boy, you may be a customer but i am still your superior as a Dead company
@@dingodyno9016 As if I could forget Uther.
Look here where we stand... Oh no the peoples are already bought the trashed game they may looked fine now but it's a matter of time before they criticize for refund.
@@saimyintmyat9373 We have no choice, entire fandom must be purged.
@@saimyintmyat9373 .
yong yea already made your lines a reality.
@@censoredcitizen3479 Upcoming headlines
"Blizzard fans are entitled"
"Blizzard fans are dead"
"Blizzard fans don't have to be your audience"
There's something extremely patronising and out of touch with that response. It's like Blizzard think it's still 2011 and they're the most reputable and revered developer out there that always knows what's best, except it's now 2020 and their reputation is in complete and utter shambles.
The management is probably in complete denial. I've seen similar responses in one company I used to work and there the management constantly bombarded the clients and even their own employees with false sense of positive notions as well as legit propaganda. I've been a witness to even a senior engineer debating a senior manager and that guy proved to him with arguments and real data that things weren't going well and that manager just labelled him an enemy at the end. Years after that debate the company is struggling really badly when it comes to forming teams that are efficient and knowledgeable, in order to deal with the main operations, which I'd assume leads to many unhappy customers.
I don't think the developers of the game are at fault. I think they did what they could do in this situation. All the blame should fall onto the management, who put the developers into that situation and of course, lied to their customer base.
🤣🤣 spot on
They think we want their apologies.
But we dont...
One thing people stop saying when it comes from game from BIG company it's the word "developer". They are not the one in charge here, they probably were 3 working on crazy deadlines for this game or they put cheap intern for this game. Most of the time applications are shit more because the managers are imposing unrealizable deadlines to their tech team.
They're still lying in their marketing, selling a fantasy that isn't there.
Coming up next... the fantasy of pure evil corporate greed, the "Pre-Order Campaign for Diablo IV"
The Irony is that Warcraft is a fantasy series. Literally, WC3 is unable to be played anymore after their patch.
They literally sold a fantasy (game) that isn't there anymore.
cant you sue them for false marketing ?
@@prospect2664
You'll need to have money for that. Or, you can simply report them to your local government for false advertisement of the product.
@@Xport9 too bad, otherwise it would be a good way to make money… all these phone games and AAA games are false advertising, so could get rich real fast :P
I didn't even buy this and i feel like I'm owed a refund
@Rhys Bird Pardon me but what the fuck lol? Vulpera get added in and its furry hentai? Are you okay?
I'm going to go and try Everquest 2, apparently they've been free to play this whole time and released a crap load of expansions. . We've been forking money over to blizzard for World of Warcraft and it's crap.
I was planning to purchase one but thanks to fans' review, I canceled it.
Same:o
Wybrem same here.. I was excited for this but I wanted to see the reviews just in base And now I’m so happy I didn’t buy it.. such a disappointment .. blizzard is gone down hill..
"I'm sorry you were offended."
-Blizzard, 2020
"How dare you dislike the game ? Its your fault for not having fun in it"
"I'm sorry you are upset that our promise is empty, we thought you are all brain dead"
"first is that we didn’t live up to the high standards that we set for ourselves, and the second is we failed in our purpose. And for that, I’m sorry and I accept accountability."
- Blizzcon, 2019
"we are sorry you are asking for a refund, but your not getting one" lawyer whispers in their ear "we are sorry the law says we have to give a refund"
- Blizzard, 2020
That is a valid statement. But "I'm sorry you don't like our falsely advertised shit" isn't.
@@armandosj4078 FUN DETECTED... Deletion process iniciated
"This isn't Blizzard quality."
At what point do we accept that this is Blizzard's quality now?
G H
Most people have.
Even classic WoW didn’t save their numbers for long
@@malgodina2082 vanilla wow wasn't that good, BC fixed most of the problem with vanilla.
There is no Blizzard anymore. This is ActiBlizzard. Don't tarnish the name and reputation of a company that created my favorite games of all time.
We dont, this is bullshit, don't buy their krap 😑
I have no issue with the graphic quality. What I mind is Blizzard lying to their fans and that's the worst sin ever as a game developer.
Christ, it's almost like Blizzard is actively testing how much it can alienate their fans.
"Lowest rated game in Metacritic history? Customer Support overflowing with refund demands? Eh, looks fine to us. Shame you don't think so too."
It's just more "we don't care so long as it makes money". EA have been getting away with it for decades. Just accept that Blizzard's dead now and find something new.
Nah Blizzard is 💀 and activision is harvesting the organs
It's not blizzard though. There is no more Blizzard, only ZUUL (aka Activision)!!
Sadly they probably are still making a profit from this game since too many people just dont care about the issues.
And they will get away with it when the video game community inevitably loses interest and don't actually hold blizzard accountable.
"... countless quality-of-life improvements … "
Hey, that's true!!! I can't count a single one...
Stackable options and scrolls, quest objectives marked on the map, damaged-only health bars, TFT food limit and tuning in the ROC campaign, should I go on?
@@XavionofThera Please do. You might eventually make an actual point. Dipshit.
@@lucina7881 Hey, you make not like those changes or you might think they aren't enough, but they *are* a number of quality of life improvements. So claiming there aren't any is BS.
And how typical of the Reforged hate-mob to call anybody who disagrees with them a dipshit or a shill.
@@XavionofThera Those stackable items and TFT stat tuning destroy the Reign of Chaos campaign's balance. In addition to that, they forced in a humongous amount of general nerfs to difficulty in both campaigns, making the 'hard' difficulty an utter joke. That's not quality of life improvements, that's ruining the gameplay for anyone with an iq above 80.
@@stanvanr7149 I agree that the nerfs are bad, which is why I didn't mention them as an improvement.
But CMON now, not being able to stack items and being randomly capped at 90 was a pain before. But it doesn't affect the difficulty enough to say it "ruins the balance".
But that said, if they make it easier and you don't like that it's easier, that doesn't change the fact that it's still quality of life improvements.
Got my refund. Eff blizzard.
Tanner Crook braaaaaavo 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Blizzard should have called the game Warcraft 3: Refunded :p
@@TheChatos89 www.warcraft3refunded.com/ there you go :)
You got your cash back, just not your time. Small compensation for the headache.
Fuck. You're allowed to say Fuck.
"I'm sorry that you didn't support us while we destroyed gaming history and relied on false advertisements to sell our product. Our staff is so dedicated that most of our new employees are working 60 hours a week to read through your concerns and feedback and we are and have been, actively working on some of the missing preexisting features that we scalped, but we won't tell you what or when because we more than clearly don't give a shit... Thank you, fans of warcraft 3, we appreciate your money."
Easy fix:
- Restore WC3 Classic bnet
- Patch WC3 Classic with new changes when needed
- Fix your shit whilst doing first 2 points
or just take WC3 reforged off of battle.net send an appology letter to fans.. like a real one!.. THEN say either old wc3 classic is coming back and reforged isnt happening, OR say WC3 classic is coming back but reforged will be its own separate thing, and will someday in the distant future become what we tricked u guys into thinking it would be at launch.
OR say that WC3 classic is coming back AND reforged has been temporarily taken down until it is completed and become how we originally advertised 2 years ago.
Either way bring original WC3 reign of chaos and Frozen throne back EXAACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL UNTAMPERED, EVERYTHING TO THE LAST CODE NUMBER EVERYTHING EXACTLY BACK NO IMPROVEMENTS NOTHING TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE U THINK ITS UNUSED EVERYTHING!! JUST BRING IT BACK HOW IT WAS. idk how other way to say this blizzard. We are all getting very sick and tired of your games no pun intended... lol
Don't patch wc3. I don't trust these money grubbing idiots to not ruin that as well.
@@hydrogenmissle That would only serve to piss off even more people, namely the ones who paid and like what they got. All ten of them. Besides, the answer is to fix what's there, not just stripping things away. That's what lead to this fiasco in the first place.
but how can they then force classic players to buy reforged, especially when its in such a bad state?
@@cancerino666 They did pretty well. There where some mistakes like "Keeper patch", but in general 1.31 is good for competitive.
Blizzard are living up to their name: opaque, cold, uncaring and full of wind
Its like StarWars.
People live in their memories of how good it was
Instead of seeing that the company is owned by someone els now that is just useing the same packageing (BrandName)
A burning sack of piss and wind.
I like how there is a trend on hating Microsoft on the internet and they ended making AoEII:DE the best remaster ever.
Absolutely.
There's nothing quite like a 17 year old game being converted into a modern day live service.
Can't wait for the roadmap.
Glad you could refund it, Uther
At this point, I'd be afraid of what they do to the Diablo games...
Can't wait to hear the wc3 "anthem" **cough** **cough** ;)
@@peterixxx as apposed to what they've already done with Diablo???
game 1 not my bag really, like the concept just not fun to me, story though was fantastic, game 2 redoes the same story from the first game, same events, more heroes but only new story element was that the original heroes became the new threat, diablo 3 day one failure, finallly get's it working, auction house sucks ass and ruins loot, that get's fixed, story is the same as the first 2 games, same events and all that.....
Diablo is a rehash series of the same pool of ideas and you think Diablo 4 will be better??
Cue the J Jonah Jamesen laughing scene, it's hysterical how Bliztard still has people wrapped around their finger believing their fart lies....ugh
it smells in here, smells like pig shit...[oink oink] and I'm out ski ya.....
Red Lantern's Rage Okay, from your comment it doesn’t really seem like you have played Diablo. I will agree with you on the third game, but your take on Diablo 1 & 2 not so much. It seems you have a problem with story of those game, and that’s fine, but what we are worried about is if they gonna fuck up the gameplay of the first two games, like they fucked up Warcraft 3, not so much the story.
"I'm sorry that you think you deserve an apology"
Is he just going to roast Raid Shadowlegends in every video?
I'm impressed
Raid is probably the only game with more false advertisement than Warcraft Refunded...
Knows his audience. He's sort of like the Daily Mail
Got an ad for the game before and after the video 😄
Is it really impressive to reach for the lowest hangimg fruit?
Timestamp?
"It looks really bad, like RAID Shadow Legends or something."
*Ad for RAID shadow legends on video*
To be honest of all things you can say about Raid it's not that the graphics suck.
It looks really nice... especially for a mobile title.
there wasn't an ad for Raid shadow legends.. thats a youtube thing not Bellular News thing.. know the difference
If it makes you feel better I got an ad for Warcraft III reforged in the middle of the video.
Content creators choose their sponsor that they'll personally sell, they don't choose what ads UA-cam airs in the breaks.
Micky Nikolov content creators don’t choose what ads show on their videos, they choose sponsors... know the difference imbecile...
"how much they love warcraft 3" they didn't even make the models it was some weird company in a different country who made the models
The Peasants look like Ben Brode
That company did a great job with the models too, shame this is going on and people are trashing them.
That "weird company" was also the one that they hired for the sc remaster that went over very well... The "weird company" did actually do an excellent job. Its not their fault Activision managed Blizzard pushed an unfinished turd out and actually thought we'd like paying 40 dollars for an hd mod and empty promises.
@@Burns2626 proving my point further the only thing good about this game is something blizzard didn't make proves how much they love their games
exactly this. the models have no warcraft style to them and look like they came out of some chinese mobile game. TRASH
Blizzard at this point should hire a shotcaller from the community. Their job is the say yes or no to the decisions they are making.
This was it for me. I'm officially done with Blizzard. I don't care what future games they release. Everything else is already better.
What games u mean rehashes of shit they have allready done that cant compete with their older stuff like Starcraft, D2, ect.
@Jon Sweat “Everything else is already better?” Enjoy Fallout 76 then I guess...or Anthem...or anything from EA
@@dreadbull5039 EA or Bethesda the only companies that make games? You just made yourself look like a fucking moron... Idiot
@@dreadbull5039 Larian is going pretty good with its divinity series now, i think all the good companys we remember that got too big was corrupted by CEO and merger fuckery so just go looking for the new upcoming studios and keep in mind they too will one day become soulless husks if they get to big, i try not to get too attached to IPs now
@@dreadbull5039 Lol who the hell plays anything from EA? I'm talking about League of Legends or Dota vs Heroes of the Storm, Elder Scrolls Online and Final Fantasy 14 vs World of Warcraft, Path of Exile vs Diablo 3.
Are you really defending Warcraft 3 Refunded?
WC3: “Reforged, what are you doing?”
Reforged: “succeeding you”
*stabs*
That's not fair to Arthas
@@Exphautaz Ner'zhul is Activision Blizzard, puppeting Arthas.
That was a better cut scene than what they advertised in their reforged ads. Wish they had done all scenes in that style.
I played through the entire campaign and was still able to refund it. GG blizzard you had a good 20 year run.
It served its purpous im ready to move on :)
30* year.
Haha this ! :p
W8, before refunding, u should repack it first lmao.
@@asobinasan9516 Why torrent Reforged when you have good old WC3
"Integral part of blizzard dna" is now more of an insult
Agree that the Heroes of the Storm models look incredibly better compared to what they did with W3r. And i don't understand why they didn't use the models from HotS in W3r. Oh i know why, because instead of trying to use a modern engine (the Starcraft 2 engine, that they already own) and import the models from HotS into it (HotS is made using the Starcraft 2 engine), they chose to cheap out on it and just use the original Warcraft 3 engine and just change the model textures. It's not a rework, it's just a friggin texture upgrade!
I always felt bad for HotS. It looks fantastic and the map variety was amazing, yet people still hype their boring ass 1-map LOL. I don't blame Blizz for cutting support for it, I actually blame very stubborn kids for not giving a very solid moba a chance, for no reason.
@@jaeusa160 the game looks amazing, very polished and insanely fun at the start. But after a while, it becomes insanely stale man... its way too shallow for a MOBA.
@@jaeusa160 LoL is just better with only 1 map
Hots is trash, thats why nobody wants to play it. THIS is a really boring moba, not lol or dota2
I wouldn't even call that an upgrade as the new character designs look awful for the most part
@Todor Samardzhiev but they already killed the custom maps, no? like 99% of them don't work anymore
"We are sorry" (c) South Park
This what happens when you sell your company out to investors. The entertainment industry is buying up the gaming industry and that's why you see all this ship going on. Because movie remakes can only be milked so much
Raven wings exactly. Shitty sequels and unwanted remakes are something both the movie and gaming industry have in common right now...
No wonder why both are falling faster than an asteroid entering Earth’s atmosphere!
Then you ask, but how raven do we combat this bullshit??
Well the power is all in your hands. Make no mistake these investors I have millions of dollars to squander. But they're looking for returns.
Step one: Stop pre ordering, if there is a game you like, any game. Wait 3 weeks for reviews of other tools that buy it day one. And if the game looks good and has good reviews from all over get it (the new starwars game) by EA was a good game.
This teaches developers, managers and investors that if they make a good product they get their reward.
2nd: Stop falling for it, wat? You know this feeling. You see a new game coming say half life vr and you just got to play it. You believe it has to be good. Stop it.. Companies are in the market to make money the difference between cost to produce and return of Investment. That's all a company care about. They dont care about the Source material or anything else. Get wise to the ways of business
Sorry mobile:/
No on a legendary ip . Activision shouldn't have the word what and how is made , only on new projects , this is the way you say we love our studio , their passion and we support their will to bring the great stuff from a decade to the new generation of players just as this talented people intended to represent it and their names with the product . Instead this ugly lie now bring not just Warcraft 3 down but the company and great deal of the consumer trust so yeah fuck you and your stupidity you will pay it in cash bastards !
@@ravenwings7945 preach! I know the reach is small but still worth it. pre-order only accomplishes two things:
give incentives for companies to cut content and sell you at a premium
remove incentives to actually finish and polish their games
"Do they know they messed up? I would say probably..."
Really? I'm not seeing any indication of that at all. In fact, all I'm seeing is the good ol' Blizzard arrogance, trying to push the blame back on to players for their *expectations*. What was it they said? "We are sorry you didn't have the experience *you wanted*" That's pretty fucking despicable. It should have been "We are sorry we didn't deliver a completed or competent game and taking your money for it".
Ikr!? I just don't get why it has to be so confusing. This ain't advertising for cigarettes back in the 50s where you claim they have medicinal value. This ain't mobile gaming, where you just cobble up anything and then sell a Lords Mobile crapfest. This is AAA gaming. With a history and a really large and experienced an base. Why did ActiBlizz think they can advertise something and deliver something else, and then blame players for having any sort of expectation?
It's not how advertising works. The hype is generated by the advertisement. The expectations are built on the advertisement. If your ad is fake, then it's not client's fault for being unsatisfied with your undelivered end result.
I don't get companies like EA and Activision.
People would have more respect for them if they had just admitted they screwed up royally.
Instead they talk to us like we are idiots. They are completely out of touch not only with their customers, but with reality.
It's sad but lots of people just dont pay much attention to game news. I know growing up I didn't pay attention to the popular public news of gaming. I got a game and I played it in in single player or split screen with people I knew and only really asked at a store when a sequel was coming out. Of course I was younger then
@Adam Young 10 years ago I bought a game based on it's description or if I'd played the prequel to it. If the game was crap I didn't get the next one. If it wanted money beyond buying the game I never spent it. I didn't have it to spend and the game price to buy it was hard enough on me to spend. I have never even paid for Xbox live or an online sub for an MMO before, so microtransactions are something I have never done on console/PC games. I did spend 5$ on a phone game once but that was it.
They aren't going to do that mostly because admitting your wrong tends to not go well in any industry when it comes to investors. behind closed doors legally you aren't allowed to lie to investors, but on public statements you can say whatever you want. anyone remember the time JC penny brought up the fact that everyone was just charging double the price on what cloths were actually worth and then tricking people into thinking they were saving money by basically selling everything on sale for what it was actually worth, so JC penny just ended that sales and sold everything at retail and other clothing stores started a mass propaganda campaign telling everyone their cloths were lower quality despite the fact they were all selling the same brands. The CEO got fired and it drove them to near bankruptcy. Sure that's clothing but point still stands because well most of the people at the top of these companies when it comes to videogames don't have anything to do with videogames a lot of them are clothing line executives.
Thanks captain obvious 😃👅
I'm done this was last straw for me. Every two years or so I log.onto wc3 and play all the weird dbZ, anime, and Pokemon games.. I've done this since the game came out......
Now with reforged a big chunk of my gaming history has been removed from.me... to me this feels like some.one taking away half the maps of Mario 64 re- releasing it... Then destroying every old copy of n64 Mario so those maps can never be played again.
This is such a new conversation in intelctual vs consumer property.. they have crossed a terrible threshold... Arthas.. i.mean blizzard
Just crack it like everyone else lol
Amazing how they sound so damn excited when announcing they'll be putting in features they removed 'in an upcoming patch'....as opposed to when they just first released it. Cause why wouldn't people be excited to wait to get back stuff they already had for years before?
waste not, want not.
Nearly two decades, way more than 'years'.
Remember that w3r was delayed almost a year. What were they doing during that time?
@@Dragito5555555555555 probably whipping whatever poor bastards they had working on it for not being fast enough
Yeah it looks like this reskin could be done in a month for free and with one modder 🤣
Not Blizzard, this is Activism-Blizzard. Blizzard has left the building.
Come now, this is Activision. Blizzard started dying in 2007 immediately after the merger, when they did things they claimed they never would for server life like server transfers from 3 months to 3 day along with PvE to PvP transfers and it devastated servers, all in the name of money and they was immediately after the merger. It went downhill year over year regardless of the claims of autonomy. That is why by 2012 you saw Diablo III decimated by an real money AH. That wasn't Blizzard, that was Bobby playing his hand directly in gameplay. Fanboys have just been wearing rose tinted glasses since 2006 and blind to reality. It continued with the final proof when Overwatch launched as a premium game with Loot-boxes and they normalized them, yet caught almost no hate because Blizzard. They were doing Battlefront I/II type garbage but got less hate because Blizzard fans justify the dick in their ass because a Blizzard dick is somehow not as bad as an EA dick. It is nonsense and fans need to stop being fanboys.
Betcha a doughnut this was going to be a mobile game until the Diablo Debacle.
Eric Barlow now that would actually be cool though
I just realized WC3 Reforged looks like a chinese generic mobile game copy of the warcraft universe
hmm that is a very interesting thought actually...could that really be true
Thanks for posting this video Bellular News. While I was busy on my computer and tuning some settings, I heard you mention that there's automation refunds. So I followed a link in google, and got 30$ back for pre-purchasing Poocraft 3. Thanks again
"We want to preserve the true spirit of Warcraft III and allow players to relive those unforgettable moments as they were" = "People think we'll just mess it up if we try make improvements, and we agree with them".
Literally nobody thought they would mess it up, not even them. They just didn't want to put in the effort.
@@godlygamer911 bullshit, not even World of WarCraft fans like the post WarCraft 3 storyline. Many people including myself told Blizzard to bugger off with their story rewrites.
*sigh* I remember when Blizzard would release anything and I would be dying waiting for it. It was very much a "shut up and take my money!" But they have gotten to the point of "I don't know if I want to get the next Diablo". When I said that yesterday to my wife she was shocked since I've always gotten them asap. I just can't trust that Blizzard will give me the polished game.
cant wait for the AOE comparison and see how sad blizzard is
F l a s h y b a n g y please be right
First Bioware then Bethesda, now Blizzard. I'm sensing a pattern here.....
PS: As always: never preorder, never buy day 1, and never purchase microtransactions.
you can also buy better alternatives like Middle Market and Indie games.
This is why I will not pre-order the new WoW expansion or Diablo 4. Blizzard used to put out great games that I wouldn't worry about pre-ordering but I've completely lost faith in Blizzard after this disaster. Thank Jebus I didn't waste $30 on this trash fire.
“We did not want the in-game cutscenes to steer too far from the original game,” Blizzard said. “We went a little deeper into the thought process behind that at the show, but the main takeaway is that the campaigns tell one of the classic stories in Warcraft history, and we want to preserve the true spirit of Warcraft III and allow players to relive these unforgettable moments as they were (albeit rebuilt with new animations and the higher fidelity art).”
Real meaning:
"It was too hard to do and we couldn't be assed to do it, so we decided to be lazy and not go through with new cutscenes so we left it out hoping you wouldn't notice."
Change EULA:
"We don't want another DOTA situation to get away from us to steal your created content and make truck loads of $$$."
I stopped giving blizzard money years ago, when they stopped listening to their player base on WoW I wrote them off
The fact that they planned on being excited to work on patches for the game in the future is bad enough...they've had 2+ YEARS to work on a simple overhaul of a game that already exists...
Acti-Blizz being degenerate even when forced to do something even remotely consumer friendly? Imagine my surprise...
*Person:* _"The customer is always right."_
*Blizzard:* _"Hold my Warcraft 3..."_
blizzard: we don't do that here.
They also removed shadows from the classic version and locked that feature behind a paywall. Which is a huge nono.
Absolutely love your insight into everything gaming related, thanks for making videos and keep up the good work man!
Blizzard will start to realise the strength of Brand and how much damage this has actually done to them beyond the limited Warcraft III brand. I have cancelled my plans to preorder Shadowlands based on this. I wonder how many other people watching BFA's current problems, and relying on the "every other expansion in wow is good" logic - which people have said and I've heard since Legion. A lot of people are looking at Blizzard with a complete lack of faith in their commitment to creating good products, which will effect purchases of every single IP that they produce until they make an amazing game that justifies the cost. Think about faith in Blizzard now, their reputation wasn't necessarily for being imaginative, but for taking ideas that others had made, and producing the most polished and fun version of that genre. They have lost this, preorders will be down for Diablo 4, Shadowlands, and any other IP that Blizzard create.
Sadly if D4 looks remotely good, all will be forgiven and people will still buy buy buy :(
@@bartkorol611 D4 is their final hope. They may linger longer then they should because those WOW subscriptions, but when those eventually dry up, its over for them.
Bart Korol I absolutely think this is true, but I think it won’t be on day one, people will wait for people who don’t pull punches like Bellular or Preach to review it first and then they will buy it. It’s certainly what I will be doing.
They were sitting on a power cake that leaked like a fountain on steroids.
Actvision: Hey let's play with fire around here.
Entire Brand blows up into their faces and third degrees them over 98% of thier body.
Activision: Surprised Pikachu Face
Business these days....
1) Use brand prestige to charge full price
2) Release minimum viable product (Should not be happening with a AAA company)
3) Fire some of the workforce and establish a fear culture in the workplace. Work hard or go find another job
4) Fill missing workforce with outsourced labour.
5) Provide no refunds and offer loot boxes as a alternative to the refund.
6) Ban all accounts with negative reviews.
7) Own all intellectual rights to maximise future income.
I really hope this situation improves.
If it wasn't for the promises they made, like the actual cinematics, I'd of been on the side of "People just don't know the difference between a reMASTER and a reMAKE." But Blizz said it would have new* things in it, rather than it just looking better.
I mean, even without the new things, they took things out. There's really no excuse, regardless of what they did.
I LOVE how you don’t blame the devs directly and that it’s more of a management thing. Often times this is the case with many things, and many don’t give credit to them.
You have given a very even tempered analysis of this. A lot of it is mainly about a lack of communication. Even the lack of consistency could have been overlooked with a single email to pre-orders.
You also give a solution to the problem. Subbed man!
Agreed. So much of this could have been solved with communication but the intent that changed back when Activision merged with blizzard is finally showing.
This is the Zombie Rotten Corpse Blizzard is now.
The Devs are desperately trying to save WCIII but Shareholders and Legal management are destroying every attempt.
"Warcraft 3 Immortal"
"Do you guys not have blind loyalty?"
imagine the kind of immortality where you are rotting away, but just isnt capable of dying
I remember when I was a kid and dreamed of being a part of a game company.
Hahahahaha.
Yeah man! playing warcraft II and wanting to be involved with making Games since young age... Now am more about making soundtracks. But I felt the same👍🏼🌬🎶
@Agent 005 it would be... Check coffeestain studio
Lol, this reminds me of myself and friends in high school where we half-jokingly would say we would get employed in Blizz as their janitors and would draw on their toilet paper our concepts for a chance to hire us as artists. The was more than 10 years ago when the Sons of the Storm reigned supreme.
I grew up practically dreaming of the day I could work for Blizzard. They helped shape my childhood, got me into the RPG and RTS genres, and helped spur my artistic passions (thank you, Metzen and Didier!).
But then Activision happened. And just like how UA-cam changed and ruined my motivation to continue making videos, now the last thing I want to do is work for Blizzard.. or really any gaming company.
It's soul-crushing to have your aspirations nosedive due to corruption and corporate greed.
lol the reworked cut scenes were like 75% of why I wanted to play this thing in the first place
I really like that you distinguished between giving a like or subscribing because I usually don't watch this kind of news but I really liked your coverage of this incident and how you kind of speak for me or represent me, since my voice can't be heard by Blizzard, but yours might be.
So I wanted to give you a like initially until you said that because that really impressed me and so I subscribed. But who knows, maybe I am just easily impressed, haha
Me: steals my money, false advertised, deleted the original game I've payed for and swapped it for the new version I don't want. removes all the key features. WE HAVEN'T EVENT GOT DIABLO IMMORTAL YET FFS. (not saying I am looking forwards to that dumpster fire of a game just saying their empty promises is just pity to say the least)
Blizzard: *almost heaven, west Virginia!* Warcraft 76
I believed Diablo mobile is jebaiting all of the fans and it will not even come out.
People: Are you listening to our feedback?
Blizzard: Well yes, but actually no.
"For the long term" with the 3 people we have left on the reforged team.
When I saw "Regret" as the only option for refund that almost fit, I chose it. If you notice it is a trend now for companies to insult their customers in an attempt to shame you into compliance. This is happening in everything in our society so companies can be lazier and lazier. Instead of them trying to please, they expect you to please them for garbage with your hard earned money. "Thank you sir for your hotdog water icecream. Much better than chocolate. "
Activision is literally the economic equivilant of an toddler given fine arts to play with.
We need custom campaigns back! That brings a huge part of the fan base back.
Can I sue Blizzard for stealing the game from me?
Not really. EULA nowadays are pretty much written that you don't own anything (music, videos, games, software). Hell, getting a refund is just luck that the EU and Australia forced most game "services" to recognise they are bound to regional consumer protection laws. So best you can do is make a consumer complaint, or bitch and moan till they reinstate it.
Man, back in Legion I thought you were a Blizz kissass Bell. But now you've whipped out a flamethrower and it is glorious. Keep up the good work mate.
Exactly: Lower the price, rename it Remastered and restore the original to its former settings in a separate client.
I'm surprised there is no talk of legal action from those who bought the original, then had massive changes (removal of features, etc.) retroactively ruin the product they bought years ago.
I'm really starting to think that the internet is the worst thing that has happened to gaming since the crash in the 80s. It was the rise of the internet that allowed micro-transactions, day 1 DLC, season passes, updates ruining good games months or years after release, and virtually every other malicious practice we hate about the modern game industry. None of it would be possible without a network connection.
Sure, with internet we can play with people from around the world, but jesus...what a price to pay.
“We’re sorry but it’s actually your fault for believing us in the first place lol”
I would love to hear your line of thinking and investigative work ethic on issues outside of video games omg you are so critical and objective
At the next BlizCon, every single person that steps up to a mic for Q&A needs to say "We don't want to talk to you. Bring out the people who decided that 8.3 and Reforged were good for release and make them answer to us."
@Agent 005 - that guy got to the mic at the Diablo Immortal reveal and famously said "is this an out of season April Fool's Joke?"
As many people as possible need to ruin the Q&A by demanding answers. They can lie if asked in advance what their question will be.
Why even go to blizzcon you *****
@@PeachwiseSyndrome - what's your problem, little man?
Activision
@@PeachwiseSyndrome - so why insult me over it?
I love how for me the first commercial i got when i clicked on this video was for warcraft 3 reforged
"Blizzard polish" is now officialy an insult. Gg.
I don't understand. Why would they show a cinematic "reforged" cutscene in the game and essentially lie to their customers and say that all of the cutscenes will be getting the same treatment. Yet they didn't. That's false marketing. I bet a lot of ppl would've been more happy if they had just done a graphical update on the game and made it a smoother experience. They promised stuff they couldn't deliver... Why...
Gamer: I miss this game
Every AAA company: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!! we can make more money by selling them the game back piece by piece and they wont be mad
Not gonna lie that gave me a good chuckle lol!
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*_“We’re sorry you need $500.000.000 to make a better game”_*
4:54 Did blizzard already remastered this video ?
I've got 100s of hours into AoE: II HD Edition. I actually had no idea there was an edition above that!?!?!?!?
Ty James well you need to buy it ^^ its good
Came out last November on Steam, because they're working on AoE4
Ty James I have to say, it’s fucking fantastic. It’s just much more refined version of the game. The Ai is intelligent, and the balance changes were well thought out imo. Makes me feel like a child again.
There's also a definitive edition for AoE 1 and a definitive edition for AoE 3 in progress
I had these 2 barbers growing up. They gave me my first haircut. They were brothers, and owned a little shop in the middle of my large town.
They gave the best haircuts, gaining a reputation that spanned across an 3 cities. Hogh, they were never that busy.
After about 40 years, the older brother was gojng to retire, and sell his half of the shop. His younger brother agreed, saying he could get a chair at any shop or salon, which he did.
Some people decided they waned to buy the buisness, thinking the location was the key aspect to the huge success.
They bought the location, and the name.
After about 3 months, they tried sueing the brothers for loss of profit, thinking the brothers had attacked the reputation of the buyers. Nope.
The brothers had such a great reputation, they always had customers.
The new people sucked, and had no idea how to run a buisness, or cut hair. It fell through.
The younger brother has made every location hes gone to a busy place, with full lobbies.
Thats blizzard.
BLIZZARD North left long ago to create their own idea of diablo 3 because Activision fucked them over back in bout 2007. So, the reason blizzard was great is no longer there, and hasnt been for a long time.
Diablo 3 should explain that. Cartoonish characters, unicorn level? Crappy loot system... lets be honest, it sucks compared to the d2 system.
Diablo 3 was supposed to be dark. Very dark. Very lifelike. So, Blizzard can literally fuck right off.
I went from 9 years of PC STRAIGHT to console when blizzard betrayed us in 2007
At this rate I feel Diablo 4 is going to be a shitfest on release.
I don't I want to buy it anymore when it finally comes out. What lies are they going to tell about Diablo iv?
We'll have to wait and see and expect at least some redeeming qualities.
This was a preemptive letter that was written before the backlash and was probably written before release.
It's now the go to action for backlash to release a "We're sorry" boil-plate template whenever there is any backlash.
They will keep doing this until it stops working, which it seems for this case, it has.
*Dude don't be mad, it is called Warcraft 3: Shitmastered.*
Oooh! Bellular layin' it down thicc like butter!
"Play Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne in Lan."
This is the Philippines, it's the only way we've ever played Frozen Throne.
Me too
My biggest confusion with the new Eula for War3R custom games is whether or not it matches the current one for SC2, since I still see plenty of games there using outside IP (like all the GoT roleplay games)
Auto refund reforged and buy 2019 Age of Empires 2 HD version for 20 bucks
Maybe the best way to get the message across
Just an awesome video, Bellular. Well-done.
I’d love to see Bellular interview J Allen Brack.
He would just talk about how much fun he is having with 8.3 raiding.
Sadly it really seems like this IS the new "Blizzard" quality product. I purchased it entirely for the wow mount since I am a mount collector, but on principle I have refunded it and left a very clear survey response.
Blizzard has been dead ever since Activison took over.
Accept it, people. Stop buying their shit and move on.
better yet, buy better alternatives! :D
It has nothing to do with Activison. That's just a scapegoat people use. Blizzard was going down hill pre-merger.
This content is very well put together! Guess I'm following the gaming industry now, thanks!)
"I told you you think you want but you don't. I was actually talking about WIII, which you are unhappy with, which I told you you would be. Please stop making memes about me" - some guy at Blizz, who I can't be bothered to name.
That Dev statement was the MOST self-patting shoulder move I've ever seen, how can you apologize and make it seem so self-serving and righteous?
Now we just wait for WoW: Shadow leggings to reach beta 9.0
Give Blizzard $$ for 1/2 products
They promised 8000 new models including individual models for every named character in melee games. I also expected World Editor for Mac. They were what I looked forward to the most. They failed on both accounts.
Refund complete. Man, it hurt to do it. Its like breaking up with a longtime girlfriend.
Christopher +1
8:45 Thank you for addressing what's been bothering me the most from this remake. Which is, it's a remaster, in part, but in part, a remake (visually speaking). We have these high fidelity hyper realistic models, running around in really old maps (when it comes to shapes, etc..) with those clunky trees, and cartoony proportioned buildings. It's literally what from day 1 kept me away from liking this "Reforge". Seeing the models you'd expect an upgrade of everything, but because they want to keep both games synched up, they only upgraded the models, but not the maps, geography, etc..
So frankly, the models and the buildings/environments, they just don't merge well together in my opinion. It feels like a mod honestly. I would have liked an engine upgrade like SC1/Brood war -> StarCraft 2 to bring the game to current visual standards. But like this? It just feels like they don't fit together, the models and the environments/buildings (I only found the Night Elves more bearable due to most of their buildings being trees I guess, but that still leaves the map environments and geography feeling flat and completely lacking).
And on the point of AoE 2 Definitive Edition, what's great is the pricing. It costs 20€ with all the expansions + the new one, and if you have HD edition, 15€. Since it comes with a new expansion, and at least a new Inca campaign too, if you have HD you literally pay for the new expansion only basically. It's a really fair price, and nowadays, it's certainly appreciated haha
9:05 It looks really bad like Raid Shadow Legends or something ....OOOOOOOOH, SHOTS FIRED
Bellular versus Raidy Shady Man boxing match hype
Team Bellular, I keep appreciating your breakdown of gaming content and news. Thanks for taking the time to cover events like this to bring awareness to the gaming community and hopefully Blizzard. Sometimes the best teacher is failure itself, and blizzard seems to be executing a lot of mistakes recently.
Everyone with a brain knew that this game would be SHIT when it was ANNOUNCED. This is the time for everyone to boycott them since they couldn't even leave their BEST GAME, WC3, ALONE.
Funnily enough I'm sure this was announced somewhere near when I stopped playin wow mid legion and even I knew it was just a scam or at least a gimmick... Now, I'm like holy shit people BOUGHT this?
The response is made with focus not to give ammunition for laywers. If they says they did poor, it would be used against them as they know they are in the wrong. Now if a lawsuit comes, they can just say "we think we did okay"