Our Response...
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Our response to the original Kaizen DIY Gym video posted 6.8.2024.
This is not a marketing play, so no links or hashtags will be included.
UPDATE!
If you are here in August 2024 or later, we have worked out an amazing deal with Kaizen and Vendetta. We brought them to our facility in Fargo, ND and had a great 3-day tour/discussion about what happened and what our future looks like. It's bright...just saying! Please check out the round table discussion from July, 30th 2024 here: • JAMMERGATE RoundTable ...
If you are here in August 2024 or later, we have worked out an amazing deal with Kaizen and Vendetta. We brought them to our facility in Fargo, ND and had a great 3-day tour/discussion about what happened and what our future looks like. It's bright...just saying! Please check out the round table discussion from July, 30th 2024 here: ua-cam.com/video/yK47BF0HHsw/v-deo.html
This doesn’t read well with me. You’re on video saying you took what others did as add ons, combined them, and patented it. You say you’d have preferred communication but when Vendetta reached out to you to open a dialogue he was threatened legally. The words you’re reading say one thing but your actions say differently. Yall can do better!
Yikes... anyone jumping to legal threats without some diplomacy is 100% hiding behind some caught red handed actions.
PRX, the community is speaking and you're not listening and it shows.
@@taylorpark3544 To think they blew up their company over Jammer Arms most people who bought them hate and never use! They've gone full retard.
This is economic suicide for them. they will probably bounce back, but they're gonna take a hit for a while.
@@richt5986 Yeah there will always be NEW lifters who aren't watching in future (old) videos dissing them. I will bad mouth them on gym facebook groups for years and years because they are basically criminals.
@@chrisdonnell2575 they do have a nice product but so does a lot of other companies
How could we make this worse ? Hold my beer
Next they'll hire a tranz man to be their spokes 'man' like Bud Light!
This is an interesting response fellas.
I can’t believe you gave them the courtesy of pushing back a podcast on the topic for them to put out this tone-deaf and belittling response. Please don’t hold back on your response, we have your back in the home gym space.
@@Mrwatson185 Yes we do Kaizen 100%. There was a great HBO show called Deadwood where Al Swearengen and Mr Wu would talk using one cussword, amazing they could understand each other with this word. The PRX Owners are that word.
Judging by the comments so far, I don't see anyone on PRX's side and doubt few will side with them.
I sincerely want to know how and why their choice benefits anyone in the Home Gym Community? Or how it remotely respects other competitors?
What hollow words that say nothing but "we're gonna do what we want anyway, don't hate us please".
@@taylorpark3544 If they were smart and evil like they appear to be they'd just have ignored it. Many new gym buyers aren't on various FB or UA-cam channels and probably wouldn't have even known this.
The only good outcome out of this story, is that other competitor companies won't repeat their shady practices & arrogant behaviour! They became example!
PRx won't be getting any of my business.
This response lacked class. It wasn't a clickbait video from Kyle. It was a guy from the community expressing his frustrations, not someone fishing for views. Also, rehearse the damn thing instead of reading from a screen that has probably got some script written by your legal team on it.
Anyone else feeling a nice PRx blacklist in the home gym community? 🤔
Well at $1500 for their arms I wasn't going to be buying them anyway so does that count?
@@kyles8391 at this point, I wouldn’t rep a free PRx water bottle so yeah it counts regardless of price point haha
I'm a Rogue and Rep fan so easy wouldn't buy their cheap crap anyway.
They on my blacklist
@@dadav5330 Yup screw evil PRX.
Whoever advised you that this was the best way to perform damage control is not doing you a service. If you want a good example of how to handle situations like this, look at how Rogue handled its dip attachment situation with Mutant Metals. Reciting the particulars of your patent application in a statement read off a screen - and wishing your “competitors” the best of luck - misreads the situation. Kaizen isn’t just a “competitor.” He is a respected member of the garage gym community and a big part of its DIY ethos. Dismissing him as a “click baiting” UA-camr shows that you are out of touch.
100% , plenty of large companies have collaborated and worked with others. This really ruined their public image for me, and I wanted to like them too. I respected them before.
But now they are using their company size and more to minimize their actions and its just not holding up. Bad prices and even worse methods of innovating (straight up stealing and saying so indirectly in other videos).
Oh boy… 😂😂😂
You can’t push this foot any deeper in your mouth you know?
Im interested to see how much the sales will decrease after this video 🤷🏻♂️
No one likes a thief... especially ones that use corporate tactics... corporate thiefs are the worst.
I want to like them and respected them for a long time, but this is bad bad bad for their image and I can't stand behind them here.
Yall should have used a teleprompter to read what the lawyers wrote for you
We aren't UA-camrs.
@@prxperformance people are calling the integrity of your company and you as individuals into question. You should be able to speak emphatically about these things without having to read verbatim. It makes this come off as very disingenuous
@@prxperformanceyou also aren’t coming across as anything other than disingenuous…
What a moronic response. Your comms team needs to up its game up big time…
@@prxperformancethat isn’t a good excuse for not making it more personal and marketing team could have set you up better or at least been in a brighter lesson dark room
@@prxperformancewhat does not being UA-camrs have to do with anything? Are y’all not professional either? This is bad gentlemen.
So theoretically if KaizenxGymPin & Vendetta worked together with a manufacturer on a fully assembled lever arm that leverages both of their products, you’re not going to try and shut it down?
Your patent abstract is a follows: “A lever arm and method of use are disclosed herein. An example lever arm includes a translatable positioning assembly having a handle assembly having a trigger lock, the handle assembly being configured to engage with a frame member of a rack in such a way that the handle assembly can be selectively positioned along the frame member. The trigger lock is configured to engage with one of a first plurality of apertures of the frame member when a desired position for the translatable positioning assembly is selected. An armature that is pivotably coupled to the handle assembly in such a way that the armature can pivot in a first plane. The armature is configured to pivot in a second plane. The lever arm includes a first guide that is rotatably coupled ot an end of the armature to allow the first guide to swivel.”
Don't see that happening. Look at Bulletproof with their VTS and Isolator. Their locking mechanism has even more placement holes than PRx, Vendetta, etc. They're releasing their next gen jammer arms soon but the trolley and locking plate have been out for awhile.
So yall decided to double down instead of listening to the community
It looks like it and sounds like it to me.
Not even any good reason for it at all.
They could easily boost their public image from collaborating and earn massive respect from the community.
But they chose to go it alone and can't stand on their own without looking like the bad guys here.
@@taylorpark3544 especially when it’s just two random employees reading off a laptop. Serious lack of effort at all from prx side
Is this an SNL skit?
No, because this is actually funny!
If doing the right thing is ripping off other peoples products and parenting them then yeah you guys seem dedicated to doing the right thing.
Lol fuck PRX, your third string company will go down for this.😅
😂 PRX just died
Oof this is worse than I thought it was going to be. Hard pass on PRX products for us.
This comes across like hostage video.
Blink twice if you guys need help!!
Guilty people have a hard time keeping their story straight and can't come up with good reasons as to WHY they did what they did usually.
This looks like they are reading a script by a lawyer.
Very disappointed to see this kind of scripted and insincere response. The tone of their message and their demeanor and facial expression say it all. That speaks louder volumes and it comes across as a middle finger to the viewers and small businessss.
Wtf
No PRX products will be in my gym
Well your shark tank journey has come full circle, you are now the shark, congrats on forgetting where you came from.
Well this told us nothing. What have they actually patented?
Hopefully you weren't counting on the home gym community for your growth cause it ain't happening after this.
No kidding. This puts a bad look on American made and run home gym companies. Rouge was willing to work things out and collaborate, why can't PRX?
You’re the reason people hate larger businesses.
100%
I want to like them. I respected them before. But this is bad bad bad. Regardless of legalities, morally this was wrong and not a good business move. Public image is huge in business an this makes them look awful.
@@taylorpark3544 agreed, many things can be done legally that aren’t moral.
I would NEVER spend a dime to purchase ANYTHING with the PRx name on it ✌
Thanks for the meme content PRX….
No one likes a douche
"Yeah, we did it, but we are just like you. Hell, I made my own deadlift platform like a peasant."
Will Halo V2 rip off Crandall Fitness by adding the ability to lock the arms on a converging plain?
Lame reply, on that note just ordered some Vendetta adapters for my Rep lever arms. Supporting a small business and supporting a large business like Rep (that actually works with creators and customers). The home gym community was forged and built by UA-cam, the hobby has grown from UA-cam. By not supporting UA-cam creators and inventors you alienate the very clientele you hope to have. Even Rogue isnt that ruthless. If you want to make your mark in the home gym community you need more than just a great product you need to work with the community. It just does not sit well.
We are working on something to resolve this issue further! Thank you
@@prxperformance that is good to hear. Glad you guys are understanding how passionate the home gym community is about it's small time inventors and creators so I hope you guys work something out with them so it looks good and helps keep small home inventors creating great product ideas built from home gym needs. 👍
Same, just ordered some vendetta adapters and I’ll get some Kaizen adapters as well.
Worst statement ever. Bad energy. For sure will not support this company.
You just lost your whole demographic with this response ... first step to downfall 👏👏
I will no longer put PRX in any of my gyms. This is not the way to do things. Very difficult to come back from, what were you thinking?
nope, I will not buy anything PRx
That is a weak response in my opinion. You guys got caught trying to rip off smaller guys/companies that don’t have the $$$ your company does.
I will not support PrX until you do right by the companies you screwed.
PRX is just on a downhill slide. There whole thing is foldable racks and Rogue does it with better quality at same price point. Not sure why anyone bothers with them anymore
Could you all make reading from a script any more obvious. 😅
This is a response to something, but it’s not a response to what y’all have done. This doesn’t serve the home gym community, it only serves your lawyers recommendations. You still have time to truly make this right. And until you do, I’ll be sure to never buy or recommend a PRx product.
Good lord this was cringy. Memorize a script next time? Lost respect for this company.
Not cool, PRX. Not getting equipment from your company.
Yall are gonna be thinking “wow, that was a mistake” in the near future
If your goal was to seem condescending, slimy, and disingenuous you succeeded. Corporate greed at its best.
I have experience with patents. I hear what they're saying. Everything they said is correct, though tone deaf. But, BOOM. There. It just happened. This sort of "Just different enough to patent" business practice just DESTROYED innovation by the guys who create, give, share and price for value, like Kaizen and other small shops. Everyone is going to be looking over their shoulder, hoping someone doesn't steal their work. Rogue did it to Kabuki, too. But Rogue had the chops to distribute for Kabuki, too.
How is this supporting the Home Gym Community???
How is this respecting your competitors???
How? Please explain how...
I'm sincerely trying to understand how or why anything you've said benefits anyone but YOU PRX.
Would it hurt for you to collaborate with Vendetta or GymPin or DIY Kaizen?
This is clearly profits over community from what I am hearing.
I sincerely would love for anyone to explain to me how this benefits anyone but them, and why they can't or shouldn't work with their smaller competition (other than for profits for themselves).
I'll be checking back to see if my comments get deleted, so don't you dare try to minimize responses.
I am sincerely open to hearing full reasons why you've chosen to do this. Your response was horrible.
I listened with an open mind; I made myself watch from start to finish,twice, regardless of the nearly immediate overwhelming cringe factor. You absolutely lost me with the “click bait focused on views” comment then followed with “nothing but respect for our competitors”. These statements are incongruous. Whether or not if you are honest stand up guys, you have come across as disingenuous giving me no reason to trust you and thereby no incentive to purchase anything from you. You guys screwed the pooch with this video. How people are perceived is reality to the person perceiving and you are being perceived as shady. On the flip side Kaizen comes across as a sincere and genuine person, one of the good guys in the garage gym community and someone I have no problem doing business with and recommending to everyone I meet.
This comes across very much as a corporate response that will not this to rest.
Had even PRx simply used teleprompters and recorded this in a brighter lite room that came off friendly that would have been better. It’s not just how you say something, but the environment and body language that count.
I’m going to bet this will slightly impact brand loyalty
They look guilty as hell and worse the guy on the right looks like he lifts donuts not weights ROFL.
I've always hated their price points, but respected their original vision... but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth... and I want to like them but yeeeesh.
@@taylorpark3544 Why would anybody who has any $$$ buy their stuff over Rogue or Rep? I have Rep Rack, dual cables, many bars, titan squat max md killer stuff and get better workouts than from gym. Their stuff looks cheap to me.
I've been in the home gym space for over a decade. I will NEVER purchase a prx product and I will now actively recommend that people AVOID your products from here on out. Be better.
You don’t value collaboration. You value your patents, defending patents against small businesses and your sales. Boycott PRx until they have noticeable deficits in quarters 3 & 4. Return any PRx products no matter condition or date purchased.
We are working on something to resolve this issue further! Thank you
@@prxperformance if you need a better liaison for patent/legal department, contact me for the most a value-add position. Your business decision in this situation possibly cost the prx company millions in the market. I don’t think your c-suites understand the magnitude of misunderstanding
Glad I never got PRX products and I definitely never will. This is appalling.
Glad I bought my equipment from rogue back in the pandemic. I really considered this company in the beginning. PRX does not care about the home gym community.
Sad just because you CAN get away with this doesn't make it right. I always thought Mr. Wonderful had business morals he obviously was aware what you guys did and supports it. Most real gym owners would rather get real equipment like Rogue or REP Fitness. FB Marketplace and Craigslist are chock full of people who hated their jammer arms and are desperately trying to sell them. You should have watched video before uploading SHAME is all over both of your faces.
The fact that you're reading a prepared statement from your lawyers sends a clear message to the community you’re trying to appeal to: you already believe you did something wrong. From my perspective as an average Joe doing some internet sleuthing, it seems likely that legally, you haven't done anything wrong. I'm sure the PRX team shares this view. However, the way you've handled this situation is akin to taking some shovels and digging your own hole. This goes beyond some random product release now and opens up you guys to the community questioning your integrity instead.
Also, I'm no lawyer but if I was.... After the initial response from the community, I would have told you to not even bat an eye and to let it simmer down rather than pour more gas over the fire. So maybe consider better legal counsel. My rate is $ 1,499.99 plus tax.
Kinda pointless for me, you never released the pulley option with these arms which would have made them unique, and then you charged $1500 with what did roll out. How good is the patent if no one is going to pay that much for these arms to begin with.
Don't buy anything from PRx is what you're trying to tell me.
Yeah PRX is officially off my list.
This was hard to watch guys. If REP Fitness can collaborate with Pepin to give home gym owners what they’re asking for, why can’t you? Is it not as profitable enough? PRX this is unethical business practice and at what cost??? You say you are for the home gym community but do this BS. As a home gym owner I will NOT be endorsing or promoting your business or any of your products. 👎🏼
We are working on something to resolve this issue further! Thank you
@@prxperformanceprobably stealing someone else’s idea…
Yeah I don't but this at all. Sooooo I bought the Rogue Trolley arms and the Vendetta and Kaizen adapter plates. No PRX for me! I also bought the Rorman Strength handles.
Kind of weird to read off a laptop guys
Over recent years I'd gotten used to bigger companies in the homegym space owning their mistakes and trying to make them right. I expected that from y'all. You're not losing much from my continuing to not purchase anything from you, but previously it had been because I wasn't really aware of your catalogue. Now it's because I disavow your business tactics. PRx is shitting the bed and I struggle to imagine that the company will be able to easily wash away the stink that you're presently cultivating.
How could the PRX team watch this and actually post it. Lmao the title just states “Our response…”
We are working on something to resolve this issue further! Thank you
After watching all these rep videos where they’re obviously not reading from a script this is pretty funny 😂
Huh, the choice words towards the end really solidified my perception of you all.
I was actually considering PRX to replace my Rogue setup too. Guess REP it is!
I bought exercise equipment from PrX before, but never again. Frankly, I don't respect or trust PrX because of this controversy.
Video response written by their lawyers. Classless response - what you say is different than how you say it. The final points were not in any way respectful and in fact was the opposite. Argumentative, abrupt and forceful. The tonality of the whole video showed that you didn’t give a shit. Would never and will never order from PRX. When i build facilities and outfit my own studio I use the best. You are not even close to the best but you are acting like a company who operated like any corporate entity. This was a sad tactic. It is responses like this that kill the spirit of entrepreneurship. Hiding behind lawyers and not doing what is right. So you requested for Kaizen not to release the podcast and Kaizen respected that and this was your response?
This was hard to watch. Read a script the whole time. Not a good look. Lost my support
“If you don’t accept this apology every piece of fitness equipment will have the f-word on it. The f-word….you have one day”
Your rhetorical argument is not persuasive. Your presentation sounds insincere because it sounds like you are reading from a script.
Just an awful look from PRX. I will never support them now.
I am shopping for a power rack. My aunt suggested PRX. She has the folding rack. I stumbled across this controversy. I will not spend a dime on this company. I will share with family, so they are aware also.
Ouch.
Wow just wow. Guys look at other companies in other industries. This approach never ends good. Personally glad I sold my PRX rack and now have a Rep rack. Won't be looking at PRX in the future. Mr Wonderful might be rich but the guy is a jerk. Find a better business mentor.
Cringe. Classless. Glad I went with Bridgebuilt for my folding rack.
You guys should be ashamed. I can't believe that's the best you could come up with.
Everything about this is bad and looks bad.
I won't ever buy or recommend any of your products to anyone.
I can't even believe you recorded this and said: yeah, that's the best thing we can do, that'll explain everything. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
won't ever buy from this company. Thanks for the comical video though. whoever said this looks like a hostage video nailed it
Terrible response...no thanks. I will buy from Rogue, Rep, etc. PRX is not an option for me anymore.
Well I know I'll never buy a PRx product after this unethical move. I don't care what your motives were when the end result is completely underhanded and shady and worse of all hurts the innovation and creativity from the community you claim to care about. What a shame
You made it worse. We have seen with our eyes that you stole the design. This video only solidified that you see nothing wrong with what you did.
Well, I was gonna order one of your wall mounted racks but fuck that.
Thanks for your support, we are working on a path forward...lots of things to discuss and share with the home gym community when the time is right.
You straight up Jacked someone’s design, put it into yours and then put a pat on it as your own as a unified unit making it difficult for these individuals to sell there ideas to other larger companies, Good luck with your name and business practices. You may be fine, but you won’t get a dollar from me and will do my best so that everyone knows of your practices. Better yet I will send them here and they can enjoy your smug attitude for themselves. Learn from your competitors that work with these smaller innovators to push innovation and deals where everyone wins.
Hiding comments.. Shows how weak you are.
Here's the thing. A lot of the design looks like it was taken from other options on the market and put together as a single unit. It was even stated in another video that was what you did. Ok so be it. There is only so much to be done with any gym equipment and every idea gets stolen or remade at some point. I get it. BUT to come out with this video, not even crack a smile, not address it in a more friendly manner, and basically be like F off is not a good look. This video makes it seem like your plan was a malicious attack on other people's products to make money. I get it you're "Not UA-camrs". Great don't act like one. Just be genuine instead. Talk from the heart and explain the situation. Do the exact opposite of what this video is. BTW, I think the Halo Arms are cool. The price is a little steep IMO but I think the variety of exercises that can be done and an all-in-one unit is a win.
Imagine ever buying shit from prx 😵💫
Not an ideal response. If I were you, I would sit down with the concerned parties and work it out. Then you can all make a video together where you appear more human.
Yikes, lmao.
This delayed response, deleting comments on social, and hiding less than stellar product reviews on their website… idk, all around shady work lately. Must be plannin a transition to enterprise and collegiate customers that don’t care so much about this stuff I guess
That would make a lot of sense if true.
All the more reason to not trust them or buy from them.
I'm gonna be following this for a while and making sure people respond with their honest feedback here. I'm part of tons of home gym communities and PRX is regularly seen brought up, but this will stir up lots of opinions and I don't see the majority of them being in PRX's favor.
Oof.
PRX take ideas then then has this trashy response 😂 well glad they lost many customers
Should have said “we are here to put out the best products to as many customers as possible and we made a decision to set our selves ahead of our competition etc” and shown off how superior their capabilities are. instead we got 2 non lifters reading word docs that sound worse than AI
I just sold all my PRX equipment CHEAP on fb marketplace.
Looks like you did
You guys couldve at least practiced this so it didnt look so fuckin scripted. Big yikes
meh. gaslighting. i can't stand it from politicians or salesmen alike.
lol what a horrible response
Is it PRX from Valorant xd
That thumbnail is nasty work 😂
Shame on you.
Never get a dime from me or my family either… PRx sucks
Ass---...Boycott PRX
Disgusting!
Was literally about to checkout in the shopping cart with PRx Halo Arms. Nixed that immediately upon watching this response. Doesn't feel right to hand my hard-earned dollars over to a company that would stoop this low. Not when there are adequate alternatives. And especially not when not only do you have shadier than hell business tactics... but you overcharged for the product majorly. You might be marginally better in the jammer arm lineup currently, but not meaningfully enough to justify giving you my dollars, the price, or the bad mojo for supporting a company like yours. For anyone in the market, you don't have to look far for adequate alternatives that are half the price. And there are a lot of promising jammers due on the market before long. Hold out if you can.
Hopefully you hold out for the full story..
@@prxperformance How wasn't this the full story. It's titled "our response." If there was more to the story, you should've stated it here.
This is the biggest corporate bullshit response I've seen in a long time guys. I don't even know how it's feasible but you seemed to have made things WORSE with this response. I'll never do business with people like you.
😂
I dont think patenting others good idea, is the “best-to-go-solution”.. also wonder why you guys withdraw your wall mounted reverse hyper (that was actually something new and exiting, and perhaps it would be stuff like that that would giev prx some greater value). with that beeing said, isnt homegym development not a pretty identical business across the board?, whit alot of equiment beeing done by multible of companies. I dont think the big company vs. The one guy show, is pretty but if the product is more streamlined and improved i do however salute that progress in developement overall, and i dont think that to much, “not stepping on others toes”, is actually the the best in every situation. If this new prx is an overall improvement, i welcome it, and perhaps, it will make the former kings rise again, and we will see future progression in superior design. And so humanity will win, and strenght will have better circumstances. ✌️✌️.. conclusion…. If prx managed to put thes best of both gympin/kaizer and vendetta etc into one design.. i think it has its rightfullplace, and this is how progression is made.