Tom Gallagher - Dymanic Films Many people don't realise that one of the major points of the claxon is that it is predictable but wrong answers (common knowledge, obvious jokes, that sort of thing) that the producers came up with *beforehand*. They probably don't even have the facility to type something in live during the show.
+Captain Chaos - They do have the facility to type screens in during the show, they've done it a few times. (Where we know anyway, they might've done it more.) For example when Victoria was on and she was telling about her dream of being asked about Aztecs and hares, and the screens flashed "Whorship it". Then later in the show they made that joke. Only way that could've been done is if they'd typed it up after they told them during the show.
that really shows something and even the fact that it doesnt appear in schools as to remind ppl (especially children) that in wars there are no good and bad ppl there are only winners and losers
The Cartogaphers society of 483 A.F German here. Had the 40th and 50th in history every year. So... I think we know best about all the goods and the bads in those times. And yes. While both countries had deeply rooted flaws on how to behave as a human being, due to... you know everything White man and the church taught for centuries beforehand. Germany was waaaaaaaay more Bad and evil. At the end. In the beginning they thought about Afroamerican and Jew and Hispanic people all the same. Jews fled from Germany but other countries didn’t want them. The UK, US, Portugal, Italy. They all send them back. Still. Germany more evil. Much more.
You guys serious? Its not a parody of 'General Knowledge' sections at all especially since this isn't a quiz, its about discussing interesting things. You can get points for going way off topic as long as its interesting. This segment is all about addressing common misconceptions, things a large amount of people believe to be true but is infact not, such as Hitler snubbing this Olympian. You saw them all think it was Hitler because thats the story that goes around but the facts are different. In all General Ignorance segments the idea is to challenge your pre-conceptions of history and facts as the truth is different than what you except. At most the title is a parody but the content is vastly different. If you only meant the title and got the jist of the segment already then no worries.
What a bright, sharp and funny look at a fascinating topic. Surely there are calm, open-minded discussions going on in the comments that would be great to read. *Scrolls down* ... *Scrolls back up*
DiomedesIsHit You're right. The comment right below this says "anyone else disapointed not to see "mitchell is a cock" appear on the back screens" - I'm definitely disappointed :(
+DiomedesIsHit Any video with Nazi in the title draws the neo-nazi oddballs to it eventually. Their collective brain cell doesn't result in many interesting posts, sadly.
It's maybe a sign of how optimistic Icelanders are in general that in Icelandic WW1 and WW2 are named "the former world war" and "the latter world war". I guess we are not expecting another one to break out...
If someone is seriously expecting a world war nowadays or in the near future that person has no idea what he is talking about and shouldn't be listened.
@@MisterCOM Nah, the germans were already on the retreat, since Kursk they on full retreat. The moment the Germans declared war on the Soviets, the war was lost for them.
Because I was pretending to be a nazi with my work colleague yesterday and my phone records my voice which then informs google what they should recommend to me in order for me to click on a video and spend more time on their site. (First part is genuinely true, second part probably too)
Didn't Lee Mack make a similar joke in a different episode? Stephen asked which one of these people are German and he replied "The one on the far right"?
"All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Only somebody who had never bothered to read anything except Ancient Roman history could say something like that xD or somebody who relies solely on National Geographic instead of actually visiting museums or reading books by credible historians. From a historian's perspective it's extremely ignorant, jokes aside. Sanitation is a tradition in every culture, and the most medical practices and advances have hailed from the East. "Romans" exploited Gaulic and other native European farmers for alcohol, which was something that the farmers were already producing before Rome was established. Public order is also a bit of a laugh and a half, if we consider how chaotic Rome's political history was, and how extremely inhuman their legal system. To give an idea, fascism was the modern incarnation of Roman politics and laws. One law in Rome, for instance, was that a male slave-owner has the right to rape male boy-slaves -- the infamous pederasty laws of Ancient Rome, which are today glorified as being "pro-homosexual", when in reality they were just anti-slave and pro-rape, since male slaves were prohibited from having sexual encounters with each other unless goaded on by their owner. By irrigation I guess they mean aqueducts? Yeah, waterways existed long before Ancient Rome did. Babylon had one of the most advanced irrigation system in the world for a very long time, and its hanging gardens were once deemed a wonder of the world. Not to mention all those Persian bases out in the desert -- when you have to build a base practically in the middle of nowhere, you're bound to get creative with water. "Roads" are also a debatable topic. I recall from history class in my German high school how our teacher warned us about far-right-wingers who falsely used the autobahn as a point of praise for Nazism, and she went on to say that "roads" are something that every tyrant brags about, since roads are nothing new, they always look "high quality" until a few years later, and despots don't mind sinking money into them because they need roads for their armies. Aside from all "war-paths", as it were, the Romans had very shitty roads. The people virtually had no paths to tread upon at all. The nice roads were reserved for imperial or military use only. As for fresh water and public health, I will let this dandy little quote from the Innominate Society stand here: "While the people of Rome are known to have suffered from plagues, which erupted at various times, the real killers, were infectious diseases like malaria (Plasmodium Falciparium, the most dangerous form), tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and certain digestive ailments like gastroenteritis." There are more links to be found through Wikipedia, where an article is dedicated to Roman plagues, and to a few in particular, like the Antonine Plague, which is thought to have been brought back by diseased troops returning from slaughtering, raping and robbing, or as National Geographic likes to call it, conquering. I'm always more than a bit wary of pro-Roman sentiments. I didn't like that one scene in the LIfe of Brian either (which is otherwise a fantastic film), because there is no truth to it, and it smacks very much of bowdlerizing what was basically a tyranny weaned on war crimes. The history of Ancient Rome is practically an elongated version of Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany. What, a thousand years from now people will start glorifying Mussolini's buildings and statues too? Or call Dachau an amphitheater? And then applaud the 20th century despots for "enlightening" the world with their "advanced legal systems" and "wonderful roads"???
@TheCrazyKid1381 Can you please specify what you mean by west European? Because the Scandinavian countries had a written language before the introduction of the Latin alphabet. However, because of the black death most people who knew how to read and write it died. Therefore, when Scandinavia turned Christian, the Latin alphabet was adopted by priests and other learned men.
@@KPater-mf4je So you are saying we didn't got these technologies from the Romans but the easterners, Persians, et cetera et all... Has a brazilian my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
I love QI! No matter how bad a day I've had, I can always find myself smiling and laughing at this fantastic show! It's fantastically funny and brilliantly clever, but not arrogant!
Whenever David Mitchell gets to talk about history, he owns it so hard. "After only four years of carnage". It's funny, accurate, insightful, satirical...every time!
@@hamster4618 : No. Adolf was a national socialist, not a fascist. Those are 2 slightly different socialist ideologies practised in 2 different countries back in the day.
The fascist salute is credited to Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio, as it was featured in his 1917 movie "Cabiria". In turn Mussolini adopted it for his "fasci" militant groups and the Nazis copied it. The picture displayed is called "the oath of the Horatii" and it is about a Roman legend of a great duel during the Italian conquest, so the gesture has mean "to taking oath" . And so, with the same meaning, it spread into the pledge of allegiance and the Olympics, although it was never intended as a salute.
@@badda_boom8017 yes, and french fries are from Belgium. It's called roman salute because of futurist poetry where the people had to love the past while looking at the future, but the salute itself there aren't proofs it was used in the roman empire
My understanding is that Owens and his one of his main competitors who was German got along very well with the German giving him a tip on what we was doing wrong in the long jump that was getting his jumps disallowed
@@stayhungry1503 sadly, after Lutz congratulated Jesse when he won the long jump at the 1936 olympics, he became disgraced in the Nazis eyes and was subsequently drafted. He died in 1943 in sicily, but they were "life-long" friends
@@vrilginitymaxxer there's even more to it. in the early 1930s a dozen or so nazi lawyers went to various US Universities to understand how Americans wrote and implemented "Jim Crows" law. they loved what the Americans had to say but the only thing they took issue with was the "single drop" policy (I forget what it was called). which forbid any interracial marriage. there was even a incident that happened where a white man was charged as a black man because his great great grandmother was black. this is what the nazis took issue with. they concluded that an exact template of Jim Crow's law would be impractical to enforce. so they officially stated that anyone with 1/4 or less Jewish blood is not recognized as a jew. to answer your question the book is "Hitler's American Model." remember prior to ww2 lots of western leaders thought that nazi Germany's rise from the ww2 ashes was incredible. so they really wanted to know how they did it and some other ideas were exchanged as well.
imagine if youtube and google stay around for decades, the recommendations list at 80+ will be bonkers... Don't even want to think about personal adverts... They'll do something about adblockers. Fck now I'm sad. Our thoughts will probably be available (through implanted chips) to advertisers who will target us accordingly...
+James Wood They were called the Nationalsocialists, but they were still not communists or real socialists, but rather murdered them as well. Yes, they had also the idea that everything for the german folk and thereby implying a comunity-based idiology, but they never acted or did anything that would really put them in the left field. There were not expropreation of the wealth (as long as it was not jewisch or from any other kind of "enemy"), there was the normal capitalism in place, there was no strucutal system that would make them real socialists. The idea to call them today socialists came from far-right idiots that tried to clear their name.
James Wood When you think so, why do you say they were Socialists. Yes, they had some socialists elements in their system, but the overwhelming part of their actions were far from socialism. A little bit further down is a good discussion to that part that I just read.
@@richardrogers7782 Actually national socialism is _very_ different from socialism. They named it 'national-socialism' themselves, and we can't exactly trust that what nazi's say is true. If you want to find if something is left or right, I suggest actually looking at it's contents, not the name. The ideas a group has are kind of the point of politics, if you hadn't noticed before, not the name.
@@pierreo33 Hitler was indeed a socialist, he called himself that, his party had socialist in it's name. Fascism and nazism were a combination of left and right, live with it.
@@pierreo33 Yes, only a far-right extremist would praise Marx's writings, serve in and represent the army of the Bavarian Soviet Republic, attend the funeral of a well known Jewish Marxist and institute a centrally planned economy in the country he became a dictator of.
@@nodell8729 a socialist who privatized everything and outlawed socialism, killing as many as he could? The nazis entire message is that classes are good, racism is good, let's kill commies, the state is good, and they privatized everything they could get their hands on. All of that is the opposite of the socialists at the time. DPRK has democratic republic in the name, do we that mean that's what north korea is?
Not only do the wars sometimes change their names, but sometimes they're invented wholesale. The "Hundred Years War" didn't really exist or at least it wasn't thought of as a single war during the time period in which it happened and for centuries afterwards; contemporaries thought of it was series of somewhat related but fundamentally different wars that had broadly similar theme - the dynastic struggle between England and France. it was only much later historians who grouped all of those wars together and called them all as a single "Hundred Years War" (that had actually lasted for 116 years). If that sounds like a pointless curiosity or nitpicking note that a similar faith may befall WW1 and WW2 especially as they fade more and more out of memory, there's a strain in political-historical thought that sees them both not as two separate wars but as a "European Civil War (1914-1945)", a single war with a pause in the middle and with fundamentally related causes. Which, to be fair, WW1 made WW2 pretty much inevitable so it's not without merit.
Calling it a civil war seems kind of stupid to me. I am just a simply history student, so I won't claim to know the subject better than professional political historians (though I think most still see them as seperate wars, though they do acknowledge their cohesion). It seems like a bit of an anachronistic way of looking at Europe. One could argue that the European Union is beginning to resemble a Confederate State, but no such structure or anything remotely similar to it existed before the World Wars. Calling it a civil war, where all the other conflicts in Europe before it are just called wars, seems like an odd thing that de-emphasizes the continuity these conflicts do have with the history before them, no matter how much they seem like breaking points in history. To me it seems similar to calling the Peloponesian Conflicts 'the Greek Civil War' (which I have never seen any historian do), sure, right now both Sparta and Athens are part of the same country, but they were not back then. One could even argue that that terminology would make more sense, as Sparta and Athens had been part of a coalition together in the near past, where one of WW1's primary causes was the rivalry between Germany and France, nations that had at that point only fought each other (I am explicitly referring to the nation states of Germany and France, not any states that preceded them) and whose national perception designated the other as the 'national rival'.
the world of wars: 0BC-2023 i understand your point. Bur holy cow is that a lot of bullcrap 😂. you know... diffrent leaders. Diffrent social systems. Diffrent society and diffrent atrocitys. Oh and btw in one of them Bismark was still a thing. Just you even forgetting that part shows that you just seem a little ignorant to european/ german culture. Btw... the first world war started because of austria and not germany. The second world war... yea well thats germany. (and actually handing out jews was practiced by EVERY leading nation. It's way more easy to blame the losing force of that war)
There is actually a passage in Flavius Josephus' book "The Jewish War" in which he mentions the Roman soldiers preparing for battle, and says that they salute by raising the right hand. Obviously it's open for interpretation and speculation, but considering the "Roman salute" is just raising the right hand, it's probably the most reasonable assumption
@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 i personaly do not shake. I raise my hand wether right or left but not in continuity with the arm. I raise it and have my hand flat, open palm to the person i'm greeting. Like saying stop but the arm is not 90° more 120° and also quicker because i don't hang around with my hand in the air. Waving is only for goodbye.
@@alimanski7941 That's only the British. The rest of the world has the palm facing down. Oh, I forgot to explain. It's the sign of that you hold your visor open.
I notice that he says nothing about whether the arms were raised vertically or at a slant: this make a big difference. Also, he does not say whether the hands were open (as in the Nazi salute) or in a clenched fist. I incline to the view that a slanted, raised-fist salute is more "military" and, dare I say it, more "Roman."
just a warning - its terribly wonderful, but terribly addictive. You'll realize this when its 4am and you're just going to watch one more episode......
Straight arm salute actually doesn't come from classical artists. It comes from Scandinavia, Finns, and Slavic countries. It's you showing that you don't have weapons at hand, as in saying "I come in peace". It used to be hand straight up, but was edited to be forwards by classical artists.
during the second world war, the french army and french civs, use to call " tête de boche " in the meaning of " tête carrée d'Allemand " witch mean " German blockhead or imbecile ". In the other hand Boche means " German, especially a soldier ". So, in the Second Great War was a pejorative word used against all germans.
Talking about the salute, while the olympic salute did fall out fashion quite quickly after 1936 some sports still use a variation of it. For example gymnastics. Male gymmasts still raise one hand at the start and emd of their routine. The salute is not just to signal the begin and end of it, but also as a sign of respect to the judges.
In my country, you point your right arm straightforward when making an oath in like a political or military setting. Most people don’t aim it up tho(for obvious reasons) keeping the arm parallel to the ground
We still do that salute in Mexico... Every Monday while doing the Pledge of allegiance, or well, at least when i was in school some time ago... Interesting, no one ever questioned it.
School students in India also do the pledge to our nation like that but we keep our hands parallel to the ground and it is more symbolic of pledging over a fire(without the fire, ofcourse)
The amount of people calling National Socialism "far-left" is astounding. I've read a lot of comments here and most people seem to emphasize the "Socialist" part in National Socialism. This is nothing more than a 6th grade mistake. The reason why people think this is most likely due to the English language actually. You see, in German, National Socialism is called "Nationalsozialismus" - just one word. It's its own ideology. It isn't just some silly mix between nationalism and socialism, or the ideology being a "nationalized version of socialism". Am I denying that the Nazi's did have a couple more left leaning policies? No, not at all. On an economic level the Nazis were centre-left/leftist, but on the social scale the Nazis were the most far-right you can get - this is why we call National Socialism a far-right ideology. The conspiracy that National Socialism is a leftist ideology is a silly way of shoving the ideology to the other side of the political spectrum so that the right can call leftists "Nazis". Ofcourse, there are leftists with fascist/national socialist sympathies (most of them don't even realise that they do), but on the social scale they're still far left. All because of one fucking Prager U video, every conservative/fascist/national socialist suddenly thinks that leftists are nazis, another foolish mistake the right has made which made me abandon conservatism and made me realise the right-wing is just as cancerous as the left-wing.
At the Olympic stadium in Amsterdam there is a statue of a man doing the Olympic salute. They was some talk of removing it some time ago but people got upset so it's still there
Wow. 2:55 shows an image of my country. An Island nation called the Republic of Nauru, which is located in the South Pacifc Ocean. Nearly nobody knows anything about us. Strange to see it shown.
Regarding the second part of this clip, about the naming of WW1, perhaps a more intriguing question is why was the term "middle ages" was first used in 1469? The middle of what? How did they know, or more importantly, what did they know, assuming there is always a beginning, middle, and end!
I think that’s when the Renaissance began. The Middle Ages were named because they were in the middle of two eras with great culture (the ancient times and the Renaissance). People looked back on the Middle Ages as a period of poverty and violence. So they decided to name it the period between two good periode, hands the Middle Ages.
The salute is also still being used during the "Legiance to the Flag" after military bootcamp in Portugal. Weapon goes to the left side and we raise our right arm to the flag while reciting the pledge. Even those who do not profess simpaty for fascism, feel that there is a great deal of sentiment while doing that.
Doesnt that date from the Estado Novo period though, and is just a hang on from that regime which was pretty fascist adjacent even if you can't properly call it outright fascist
@@nektarios5291 Not necessarily. In the USA, during the 40's, it was quite common to see classes during school time to do the Pledge of Allegiance while doing the Roman salute. The Roman salute of Solar salute (opened hand salutation from the Germanic and Celtic culture) it was quite common on all European based modern societies. Not necessarily fascist.
Only this year a statue of an atlete bringing the Olympic salute was removed from the front of the Olympic Stadion in Amsterdam, it took Amsterdam only 80 years before realising it was the same as the fascist salute or just that long to give to groups with a high content of political correctness and very low on historic awarness.
Stephen Fry was wrong about the naming of world war 1. I have been searching in the newspaper archive of Dagbladet, Norway's second-largest paper. They wrote about the world war already during the war.
Re Jesse Owens; Hitler _did_ shake his hand: "I've read many stories that said Hitler ignored him. Now this is quite untrue because I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved." - Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown, Fleet Air Arm 59:02 (quote at 5:27) Jul 29, 2014 BBC Britains Greatest Pilot The Extraordinary Story of Captain Winkle Brown - UA-cam "...But now a veteran sports reporter in Germany has come forward to claim that, though Hitler did indeed leave the stadium after the race, it was not before shaking Owens' hand. Siegfried Mischner, 83, claims that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of the Fuehrer doing just that. Owens, who felt the newspapers of the day reported 'unfairly' on Hitler's attitude towards him, tried to get Mischner and his journalist colleagues to change the accepted version of history in the 1960s. Mischner claimed Owens showed him the photograph and told him: 'That was one of my most beautiful moments.' Mischner said: 'It was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand. 'The predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens. 'We therefore decided not to report on the photo. The consensus was that Hitler had to continue to be painted in a bad light in relation to Owens.'..." (Note that the title has been 'updated' to now read: "Did Hitler shake hands with black 1936 Olympic hero Jesse Owens?" The original title can still be seen in the article's URL) 11 August 2009 Hitler 'shook hands' with black 1936 Olympic hero Jesse Owens | Daily Mail Online And yet the lie still stands: "... Not everyone, of course, saw Owens' victories as highlights. Hitler famously refused to congratulate him; as TIME explained in the same story, a prominent Nazi theory to explain why the U.S. was beating the host nation so much was "that Negroes are not really people" but rather an "auxiliary force" brought in by the otherwise disappointing real (white) American team. Despite the attempt to explain away the wins with such falsehoods, Owens had proved Hitler's theories about race differences wrong. ..." Aug 03, 2015 Jesse Owens, Hitler and the Legacy of the 1936 Summer Olympics: Photos | TimeDOTcom Keep the above in mind the next time the MSM publishes something disparaging about a foreign leader's actions. Mr. Putin comes to mind. Search: Anti-Putin magazine cover collage
A sad story all the same, mind you I find it fucking hilarious that all the racial stereotypes of the USA are absolutely true the second the real history is searched for and found, which kinda already proves to me what I've always known, that the most population of Americans, are shitheads.
@@michelveilleux1275 How many Americans have you conversed with, Michel? It's been my life's experience that most folks are fair minded if one gives them a chance to show their better nature. Never forget who benefits from promoting the modus operandi of divide and rule.
@@johnbovay8353 I said most, not all. And yes, i also agree with that saying, giving people a chance and whatnot. But when obvious shit like that happens, you kinda go 'Oh...imma just stay away from that.' Know what I mean?
anyone else disapointed not to see "mitchell is a cock" appear on the back screens
Still waiting for them to do it. XD
Tom Gallagher - Dymanic Films Many people don't realise that one of the major points of the claxon is that it is predictable but wrong answers (common knowledge, obvious jokes, that sort of thing) that the producers came up with *beforehand*. They probably don't even have the facility to type something in live during the show.
Captain Chaos But it thought it was pre-recorded.
+Tom Gallagher - Dymanic Films They could have had written that when he gave his (generic) hint about the 'Romans coming up with the Salute'
+Captain Chaos - They do have the facility to type screens in during the show, they've done it a few times. (Where we know anyway, they might've done it more.) For example when Victoria was on and she was telling about her dream of being asked about Aztecs and hares, and the screens flashed "Whorship it". Then later in the show they made that joke. Only way that could've been done is if they'd typed it up after they told them during the show.
The sadest is that Owen said "the only time I fell I was a human being and not an animal was when I was in Germany".
that really shows something and even the fact that it doesnt appear in schools as to remind ppl (especially children) that in wars there are no good and bad ppl there are only winners and losers
Martin well... i meann .. still the us is a bit better than the third reich I’d say. Still sucked for minorities, but reallly?
@@martintekula there are no winners in war, only those who lost less.
The Cartogaphers society of 483 A.F German here. Had the 40th and 50th in history every year. So... I think we know best about all the goods and the bads in those times. And yes. While both countries had deeply rooted flaws on how to behave as a human being, due to... you know everything White man and the church taught for centuries beforehand. Germany was waaaaaaaay more Bad and evil. At the end. In the beginning they thought about Afroamerican and Jew and Hispanic people all the same. Jews fled from Germany but other countries didn’t want them. The UK, US, Portugal, Italy. They all send them back.
Still. Germany more evil. Much more.
@@moistnugget141 yea we call those winners
As someone else said, "General Ignorance" is the name of this segment, in parody of "General Knowledge" in other quiz shows
OrchidAlloy Thanks for explaining, I thought the title was pretty harsh!
Yeah, thanks for the clarification. I didn't quite see what made them especially ignorant on this topic.
Frick I was super confused, thank you for explaining
You guys serious? Its not a parody of 'General Knowledge' sections at all especially since this isn't a quiz, its about discussing interesting things. You can get points for going way off topic as long as its interesting.
This segment is all about addressing common misconceptions, things a large amount of people believe to be true but is infact not, such as Hitler snubbing this Olympian. You saw them all think it was Hitler because thats the story that goes around but the facts are different.
In all General Ignorance segments the idea is to challenge your pre-conceptions of history and facts as the truth is different than what you except.
At most the title is a parody but the content is vastly different. If you only meant the title and got the jist of the segment already then no worries.
Yes only the name is tongue in cheek
What a bright, sharp and funny look at a fascinating topic. Surely there are calm, open-minded discussions going on in the comments that would be great to read.
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DiomedesIsHit You're right. The comment right below this says "anyone else disapointed not to see "mitchell is a cock" appear on the back screens" - I'm definitely disappointed :(
+DiomedesIsHit Any video with Nazi in the title draws the neo-nazi oddballs to it eventually. Their collective brain cell doesn't result in many interesting posts, sadly.
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What about Mr and Mrs, ‘I’ll purchase everything in exchange for my submission.’ ?
It's maybe a sign of how optimistic Icelanders are in general that in Icelandic WW1 and WW2 are named "the former world war" and "the latter world war". I guess we are not expecting another one to break out...
Héðinn Mikk Á føroyskum eitur tað fyrsti og annar veraldarbardagi. Hvussu eitur tað á íslendskum?
@@Thename123J Á íslenskum eitur WW1 "Fyrri heimsstyrjöldin" og WW2 "Seinni heimsstyrjöldin".
@@Thename123J Á føroyskum siga vit eisini fyrri og seinni veraldarbardagi.
If someone is seriously expecting a world war nowadays or in the near future that person has no idea what he is talking about and shouldn't be listened.
Mate I’m in school in Iceland and it’s only referred to as “fyrsta heimstyrjöldinn” the ww2 is correct tho
Looks like I'm late to the party. All the comments here are ancient. Hell, even the war is over!
teppolundgren damn yankees, had it not been for them we could’ve kept the war going on for 10 more years!
@@RandomGameSuggestion Not really, since the soviets had already crushed you :\
Algorithm decided this video is relevant again apparently.
@@garl55 hahah no if they didnt need to send troops west they wouldve lost
@@MisterCOM Nah, the germans were already on the retreat, since Kursk they on full retreat. The moment the Germans declared war on the Soviets, the war was lost for them.
Why is this being recommended to me after 7 years
me too. guess we`re nazis?
@@henry7696 das me alright. also algorithm must have changed
sameee
Because I was pretending to be a nazi with my work colleague yesterday and my phone records my voice which then informs google what they should recommend to me in order for me to click on a video and spend more time on their site. (First part is genuinely true, second part probably too)
Allow it to happen. Let the overlords in.
"They are all on the far right" Good one.
Didn't Lee Mack make a similar joke in a different episode? Stephen asked which one of these people are German and he replied "The one on the far right"?
Andrew Olley ?
In reality they're all on the far left though.
Grodperspektiv Not politically, that’s for sure
As a history graduate i disagree.
"All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Brought peace?
Only somebody who had never bothered to read anything except Ancient Roman history could say something like that xD or somebody who relies solely on National Geographic instead of actually visiting museums or reading books by credible historians.
From a historian's perspective it's extremely ignorant, jokes aside. Sanitation is a tradition in every culture, and the most medical practices and advances have hailed from the East. "Romans" exploited Gaulic and other native European farmers for alcohol, which was something that the farmers were already producing before Rome was established.
Public order is also a bit of a laugh and a half, if we consider how chaotic Rome's political history was, and how extremely inhuman their legal system. To give an idea, fascism was the modern incarnation of Roman politics and laws. One law in Rome, for instance, was that a male slave-owner has the right to rape male boy-slaves -- the infamous pederasty laws of Ancient Rome, which are today glorified as being "pro-homosexual", when in reality they were just anti-slave and pro-rape, since male slaves were prohibited from having sexual encounters with each other unless goaded on by their owner.
By irrigation I guess they mean aqueducts? Yeah, waterways existed long before Ancient Rome did. Babylon had one of the most advanced irrigation system in the world for a very long time, and its hanging gardens were once deemed a wonder of the world. Not to mention all those Persian bases out in the desert -- when you have to build a base practically in the middle of nowhere, you're bound to get creative with water.
"Roads" are also a debatable topic. I recall from history class in my German high school how our teacher warned us about far-right-wingers who falsely used the autobahn as a point of praise for Nazism, and she went on to say that "roads" are something that every tyrant brags about, since roads are nothing new, they always look "high quality" until a few years later, and despots don't mind sinking money into them because they need roads for their armies. Aside from all "war-paths", as it were, the Romans had very shitty roads. The people virtually had no paths to tread upon at all. The nice roads were reserved for imperial or military use only.
As for fresh water and public health, I will let this dandy little quote from the Innominate Society stand here:
"While the people of Rome are known to have suffered from plagues, which erupted at various times, the real killers, were infectious diseases like malaria (Plasmodium Falciparium, the most dangerous form), tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and certain digestive ailments like gastroenteritis."
There are more links to be found through Wikipedia, where an article is dedicated to Roman plagues, and to a few in particular, like the Antonine Plague, which is thought to have been brought back by diseased troops returning from slaughtering, raping and robbing, or as National Geographic likes to call it, conquering.
I'm always more than a bit wary of pro-Roman sentiments. I didn't like that one scene in the LIfe of Brian either (which is otherwise a fantastic film), because there is no truth to it, and it smacks very much of bowdlerizing what was basically a tyranny weaned on war crimes. The history of Ancient Rome is practically an elongated version of Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany. What, a thousand years from now people will start glorifying Mussolini's buildings and statues too? Or call Dachau an amphitheater? And then applaud the 20th century despots for "enlightening" the world with their "advanced legal systems" and "wonderful roads"???
@TheCrazyKid1381 Can you please specify what you mean by west European? Because the Scandinavian countries had a written language before the introduction of the Latin alphabet. However, because of the black death most people who knew how to read and write it died. Therefore, when Scandinavia turned Christian, the Latin alphabet was adopted by priests and other learned men.
@TheCrazyKid1381 The romans copied their alphabet from the etruscans
@@KPater-mf4je So you are saying we didn't got these technologies from the Romans but the easterners, Persians, et cetera et all... Has a brazilian my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
I love QI! No matter how bad a day I've had, I can always find myself smiling and laughing at this fantastic show! It's fantastically funny and brilliantly clever, but not arrogant!
It helps me when I'm down through the days.
My favourite episode is the one about the giant tortoise.
All the others are right after that.
This must be the best QI panel of all time - five brilliant comedians
4
@@26wessex84 you stole my line
@26 Wessex who are you excluding?
@@christeebs He's probably only counting the guests. Fry is just the host.
Whenever David Mitchell gets to talk about history, he owns it so hard. "After only four years of carnage". It's funny, accurate, insightful, satirical...every time!
he should publish a history book!
"Surely they're all on the far right." is still one of my favorite jokes, it's just so damn perfect.
@Artrysa: Except they all are on the far left ... so the joke makes no sense.
@@chachacha2023 Is this meant to imply that being a Nazi/Fascist is a far-left thing, or am I missing something?
@@rommedegraauw4060 : being a socialist is a far left thing, so yes
@@chachacha2023 but then Hitler was a fascist, not socialist.
@@hamster4618 : No. Adolf was a national socialist, not a fascist. Those are 2 slightly different socialist ideologies practised in 2 different countries back in the day.
An irate David Mitchell is a wonderful thing to see =)
He is so similar to his character it's hilarious
Is there any other better Mitchell flavour, really?
Him getting the siren three times in a row on a WWI question of all things... The pain is real.
0:42 I love Alan. He's 50+ years, but keeps pointing out things and giggling like a kid in the primary school :D
Well to be fair, he was less 50 years old at the time...
And hailing while they quickly switch camera 😂
he's so cute
Love Alan's reaction at 2:06 when Fry reveals is FDR! Ah, Bastard.
The fascist salute is credited to Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio, as it was featured in his 1917 movie "Cabiria". In turn Mussolini adopted it for his "fasci" militant groups and the Nazis copied it. The picture displayed is called "the oath of the Horatii" and it is about a Roman legend of a great duel during the Italian conquest, so the gesture has mean "to taking oath" . And so, with the same meaning, it spread into the pledge of allegiance and the Olympics, although it was never intended as a salute.
Roman salute
Lol no. This is wrong. The romans first used it.
@@badda_boom8017 The romans never used it
@@reytopa it's literally called the Roman salute 😂😂😂
@@badda_boom8017 yes, and french fries are from Belgium.
It's called roman salute because of futurist poetry where the people had to love the past while looking at the future, but the salute itself there aren't proofs it was used in the roman empire
My understanding is that Owens and his one of his main competitors who was German got along very well with the German giving him a tip on what we was doing wrong in the long jump that was getting his jumps disallowed
That is true
Thats pretty cool
Yeah, Luz Long
yes they became lifelong friends i believe
@@stayhungry1503 sadly, after Lutz congratulated Jesse when he won the long jump at the 1936 olympics, he became disgraced in the Nazis eyes and was subsequently drafted.
He died in 1943 in sicily, but they were "life-long" friends
That panel of British comedic legends.
Can never get enough of David Mitchell's big self-satisfied smile.
the nazis funny enough thought that some of race laws the Americans had were either too harsh or too unreasonable.
Really? That's amazing. Source?
Thats weird considering how awfully they treated their own
@@vrilginitymaxxer there's even more to it. in the early 1930s a dozen or so nazi lawyers went to various US Universities to understand how Americans wrote and implemented "Jim Crows" law. they loved what the Americans had to say but the only thing they took issue with was the "single drop" policy (I forget what it was called). which forbid any interracial marriage. there was even a incident that happened where a white man was charged as a black man because his great great grandmother was black. this is what the nazis took issue with. they concluded that an exact template of Jim Crow's law would be impractical to enforce. so they officially stated that anyone with 1/4 or less Jewish blood is not recognized as a jew.
to answer your question the book is "Hitler's American Model." remember prior to ww2 lots of western leaders thought that nazi Germany's rise from the ww2 ashes was incredible. so they really wanted to know how they did it and some other ideas were exchanged as well.
@@issamislam9596 Did they? I find no evidence of such
@@TheChuckfuc That's actually very insightful. Thank you so much for sharing this.
Algorith works in mysterious ways.
imagine if youtube and google stay around for decades, the recommendations list at 80+ will be bonkers... Don't even want to think about personal adverts... They'll do something about adblockers.
Fck now I'm sad. Our thoughts will probably be available (through implanted chips) to advertisers who will target us accordingly...
David Mitchell: "Aren't they ALL on The Far Right?" *KER-CHING!!!* xx SF
+Steve Sandford
Nope, they're socialists.
+James Wood They were called the Nationalsocialists, but they were still not communists or real socialists, but rather murdered them as well. Yes, they had also the idea that everything for the german folk and thereby implying a comunity-based idiology, but they never acted or did anything that would really put them in the left field. There were not expropreation of the wealth (as long as it was not jewisch or from any other kind of "enemy"), there was the normal capitalism in place, there was no strucutal system that would make them real socialists.
The idea to call them today socialists came from far-right idiots that tried to clear their name.
That's why the left-right spectrum is flawed, as ideologies like Nazism are "left" and "right" simultaneously.
James Wood
When you think so, why do you say they were Socialists. Yes, they had some socialists elements in their system, but the overwhelming part of their actions were far from socialism. A little bit further down is a good discussion to that part that I just read.
Socialist doesn't necessarily equal left.
The whole second half of this clip I was waiting for "Mitchel is a cock" to flash up on the screens.
"Surely they are all on the far right" xD
Funny line but Nazis were socialists wouldn't that make them far Left.
@@richardrogers7782 No ua-cam.com/video/hUFvG4RpwJI/v-deo.html
@@richardrogers7782 Actually national socialism is _very_ different from socialism. They named it 'national-socialism' themselves, and we can't exactly trust that what nazi's say is true.
If you want to find if something is left or right, I suggest actually looking at it's contents, not the name. The ideas a group has are kind of the point of politics, if you hadn't noticed before, not the name.
@@pieterd3408 so what would far left be? Or is there no extreme for the left?
@@richardrogers7782 Yes there is an extreme for the left. The nazis weren't that though. The nazis were the extreme right.
Are there any shows like this in America?.. They sure would need it, for educational purposes
America isn't all that interested in education
cia too busy committing war crimes and assassinations for "communism"
They would just ruin it, like Junkyard Wars.
They would need 5 smart people with a good sense of humor. Basically british.
@@billieeisenhower406 *for* communism? I think the word you wanted to use was "against"...
David Mitchell, You Legend!!
"surely theyre all on the far right"
"WEH-HEY!"
Yes all socialist far rights.
@@maku8075 Read a book. Get educated. You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@pierreo33 Hitler was indeed a socialist, he called himself that, his party had socialist in it's name. Fascism and nazism were a combination of left and right, live with it.
@@pierreo33 Yes, only a far-right extremist would praise Marx's writings, serve in and represent the army of the Bavarian Soviet Republic, attend the funeral of a well known Jewish Marxist and institute a centrally planned economy in the country he became a dictator of.
@@nodell8729 a socialist who privatized everything and outlawed socialism, killing as many as he could? The nazis entire message is that classes are good, racism is good, let's kill commies, the state is good, and they privatized everything they could get their hands on. All of that is the opposite of the socialists at the time. DPRK has democratic republic in the name, do we that mean that's what north korea is?
Oh look, it's Angelina Jolie next to Alan.
Top gear really messed her up!
Make-up does a lot.
Looks as good as she's done in years!
She really lost some weight since Top gear appearance. Maybe because of cauliflower...
Nah, it's Axl Rose.
"General Ignorance on Nazis" wasn't an invitation. :P
Not only do the wars sometimes change their names, but sometimes they're invented wholesale. The "Hundred Years War" didn't really exist or at least it wasn't thought of as a single war during the time period in which it happened and for centuries afterwards; contemporaries thought of it was series of somewhat related but fundamentally different wars that had broadly similar theme - the dynastic struggle between England and France. it was only much later historians who grouped all of those wars together and called them all as a single "Hundred Years War" (that had actually lasted for 116 years). If that sounds like a pointless curiosity or nitpicking note that a similar faith may befall WW1 and WW2 especially as they fade more and more out of memory, there's a strain in political-historical thought that sees them both not as two separate wars but as a "European Civil War (1914-1945)", a single war with a pause in the middle and with fundamentally related causes. Which, to be fair, WW1 made WW2 pretty much inevitable so it's not without merit.
Calling it a civil war seems kind of stupid to me. I am just a simply history student, so I won't claim to know the subject better than professional political historians (though I think most still see them as seperate wars, though they do acknowledge their cohesion). It seems like a bit of an anachronistic way of looking at Europe. One could argue that the European Union is beginning to resemble a Confederate State, but no such structure or anything remotely similar to it existed before the World Wars. Calling it a civil war, where all the other conflicts in Europe before it are just called wars, seems like an odd thing that de-emphasizes the continuity these conflicts do have with the history before them, no matter how much they seem like breaking points in history. To me it seems similar to calling the Peloponesian Conflicts 'the Greek Civil War' (which I have never seen any historian do), sure, right now both Sparta and Athens are part of the same country, but they were not back then. One could even argue that that terminology would make more sense, as Sparta and Athens had been part of a coalition together in the near past, where one of WW1's primary causes was the rivalry between Germany and France, nations that had at that point only fought each other (I am explicitly referring to the nation states of Germany and France, not any states that preceded them) and whose national perception designated the other as the 'national rival'.
European Nationalist wars 1870-1945
the world of wars:
0BC-2023
i understand your point.
Bur holy cow is that a lot of bullcrap 😂.
you know... diffrent leaders. Diffrent social systems. Diffrent society and diffrent atrocitys.
Oh and btw in one of them Bismark was still a thing. Just you even forgetting that part shows that you just seem a little ignorant to european/ german culture.
Btw... the first world war started because of austria and not germany.
The second world war... yea well thats germany.
(and actually handing out jews was practiced by EVERY leading nation. It's way more easy to blame the losing force of that war)
There is actually a passage in Flavius Josephus' book "The Jewish War" in which he mentions the Roman soldiers preparing for battle, and says that they salute by raising the right hand. Obviously it's open for interpretation and speculation, but considering the "Roman salute" is just raising the right hand, it's probably the most reasonable assumption
People salute themselves raising their right hand to this day, the difference is that they wave it
I always thought that was meant to be an open palm facing the person you're saluting, which is a very natural way of displaying a hand with no weapon.
@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 i personaly do not shake. I raise my hand wether right or left but not in continuity with the arm. I raise it and have my hand flat, open palm to the person i'm greeting. Like saying stop but the arm is not 90° more 120° and also quicker because i don't hang around with my hand in the air.
Waving is only for goodbye.
@@alimanski7941 That's only the British. The rest of the world has the palm facing down.
Oh, I forgot to explain. It's the sign of that you hold your visor open.
I notice that he says nothing about whether the arms were raised vertically or at a slant: this make a big difference. Also, he does not say whether the hands were open (as in the Nazi salute) or in a clenched fist. I incline to the view that a slanted, raised-fist salute is more "military" and, dare I say it, more "Roman."
"surely they're all on the far right" greatest joke, look at him smile...
Actually they were far far left. Socialists. But it was a funny line.
@@richardrogers7782 exactly, kinda like The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea is actually just far far democratic
@@LukasFrimerTholander yes just like there is a far right there is a far left to, but people don't realize
@@LukasFrimerTholander
If they were far right they would want to privatize everything and reduce taxes to almost nothing.
@@richardrogers7782 they cooperated with big business interests like Krupp, Flick and IG Farben and they banned trade unions
The salute was actually used around Great Alexander's time as a formal salute, saluting the person and pointing the sun Heliod
4:22 He met with a what? I can't believe that went by without any comment from the panel...
It's just a way of presenting his name in association with his title
Is someone gonna help him crossing the road?
*looks right, then left, then right, then left*
That " bloke" on the far right is Herman Goering !!! 😂😂😂
in portugal we still use the roman salute as the oath of allegiance
Based and redpilled
Same for Brazil. I guess Roman culture lives on through the luso world.
Roman Salute is from Ancient Rome
@@wallachia4797 cringe and bluepilled
@@alexandre007opa feminist and pinkpilled
just discovered this show, what a great find
I like how at 1:04 they say 'Herman Goering' in unison!
This video was, very appropriately, recommended to me in October 2020.
climate justice
October 10th? 10 10 2020
It's funny that Goering is doing that gesture. He is probably just doing a headside salute.
Nope, he is ordering the next bottle of wine.
I love QI. It's excellent watching a programme that makes one realise that everything one knows is bullshit
This comment section: "You take him!" "No, you take him!" "No, you, he's yours!"
Had Stephen Fry a game show? I would watch it. I don't recall seeing such a good game show question as the first one.
just a warning - its terribly wonderful, but terribly addictive. You'll realize this when its 4am and you're just going to watch one more episode......
Seeing this in 2023 gives me such a weird sense of nostalgia, it's been a while since the last time I saw Stephen with so little gray hair!
david is one of my all time favorite tv panelists
4:00 - Would have been an all-time QI moment if they typed, _"He Is"_ .
This was actually quite entertaining!
I enjoy QI so much... I mean, it's such a good show, I love it.
why am i here at 2am and 8 years after it was uploaded
These guys are so witty it’s amazing.
The Jesse Owens bit hit home really hard.
Maybe the straight arm salute is an attempt to stop a bus ?
Straight arm salute actually doesn't come from classical artists. It comes from Scandinavia, Finns, and Slavic countries.
It's you showing that you don't have weapons at hand, as in saying "I come in peace".
It used to be hand straight up, but was edited to be forwards by classical artists.
haha
You have to be this tall to be in the SS o/
“They’re all just taking bets on how high the high jump is gonna go.”
during the second world war, the french army and french civs, use to call " tête de boche " in the meaning of " tête carrée d'Allemand " witch mean " German blockhead or imbecile ". In the other hand Boche means " German, especially a soldier ". So, in the Second Great War was a pejorative word used against all germans.
Ah, the 'millennium folk' was a meme even in 1918. 4:40
Talking about the salute, while the olympic salute did fall out fashion quite quickly after 1936 some sports still use a variation of it. For example gymnastics. Male gymmasts still raise one hand at the start and emd of their routine.
The salute is not just to signal the begin and end of it, but also as a sign of respect to the judges.
How disappointing that Sean Lock isn't there when they bring up Hitler
@@wunderpuma4453 oooh Goebbles hasn’t caught any fish today… Hitler’s very hungry
In my country, you point your right arm straightforward when making an oath in like a political or military setting. Most people don’t aim it up tho(for obvious reasons) keeping the arm parallel to the ground
What country are you from?
@@lavinyanogard1553 He's from Latin America
Lavinya Nogard paraguay. And creepy that dude knew it for some reason
We just know such pledges are taken in Latin America
Its an roman salute
We still do that salute in Mexico... Every Monday while doing the Pledge of allegiance, or well, at least when i was in school some time ago... Interesting, no one ever questioned it.
I never got the hang of this show while living in Britain... then again I am German (I liked the fast show, father ted...)
it's just another airheaded telly show, not sure why people like it more than other
"back home you *were* the nazis!" - J, Wolfenstein: The New Order
The Spanish succession was also technically known as the first world war
80years war though
@@tomatensoup190 oh please, more like the 7 years war.
@@NovaFrederick wat
@@tomatensoup190 ja 80 jarige oorlog is gewoon de uitgerekte dertigjarige oorlog tussen Spaanse Rijk en de Nederlanden
The good old days when QI was still amazing.
Lol. I just wrote basically the same thing up above.
School students in India also do the pledge to our nation like that but we keep our hands parallel to the ground and it is more symbolic of pledging over a fire(without the fire, ofcourse)
Great video.
I didn't know that about the "Roman Salute."
I thought salute is what they say when they clink glasses
@@SkillzorZ021
Yes, since salute means health. To greet someone in this mode is to wish them health. Same goes for Slavic culture.
The amount of people calling National Socialism "far-left" is astounding. I've read a lot of comments here and most people seem to emphasize the "Socialist" part in National Socialism. This is nothing more than a 6th grade mistake. The reason why people think this is most likely due to the English language actually. You see, in German, National Socialism is called "Nationalsozialismus" - just one word. It's its own ideology. It isn't just some silly mix between nationalism and socialism, or the ideology being a "nationalized version of socialism". Am I denying that the Nazi's did have a couple more left leaning policies? No, not at all. On an economic level the Nazis were centre-left/leftist, but on the social scale the Nazis were the most far-right you can get - this is why we call National Socialism a far-right ideology.
The conspiracy that National Socialism is a leftist ideology is a silly way of shoving the ideology to the other side of the political spectrum so that the right can call leftists "Nazis". Ofcourse, there are leftists with fascist/national socialist sympathies (most of them don't even realise that they do), but on the social scale they're still far left. All because of one fucking Prager U video, every conservative/fascist/national socialist suddenly thinks that leftists are nazis, another foolish mistake the right has made which made me abandon conservatism and made me realise the right-wing is just as cancerous as the left-wing.
It's neither, all of the people here are retarded
classic sequence!
At the Olympic stadium in Amsterdam there is a statue of a man doing the Olympic salute. They was some talk of removing it some time ago but people got upset so it's still there
Wow. 2:55 shows an image of my country. An Island nation called the Republic of Nauru, which is located in the South Pacifc Ocean.
Nearly nobody knows anything about us.
Strange to see it shown.
Regarding the second part of this clip, about the naming of WW1, perhaps a more intriguing question is why was the term "middle ages" was first used in 1469? The middle of what? How did they know, or more importantly, what did they know, assuming there is always a beginning, middle, and end!
I think that’s when the Renaissance began. The Middle Ages were named because they were in the middle of two eras with great culture (the ancient times and the Renaissance). People looked back on the Middle Ages as a period of poverty and violence. So they decided to name it the period between two good periode, hands the Middle Ages.
Sandi will keep the show going smoothly and i don’t hate her, but stephen really made this show what it was.
I was disappointed there were no General Melchett references
ua-cam.com/video/Eu3VeS2BdNg/v-deo.html
You're welcome ;)
@@christianb572 My hero!
I wonder how many points David got at the end of the show :D
If you are not dead in the meantime, i can tell you that the answer is -44. And that was -44 for David.
Me seeing the recommendation: TF is this?
The beginning of the video: *TIK TOK*
Me: ok bye
I dont understand, illuminate me please
The salute is also still being used during the "Legiance to the Flag" after military bootcamp in Portugal. Weapon goes to the left side and we raise our right arm to the flag while reciting the pledge. Even those who do not profess simpaty for fascism, feel that there is a great deal of sentiment while doing that.
Also in Brazil!
The sign itself is really appealing but in Italy they ban it for obviously reasons so I find it weird when I see others doing it 😅
Doesnt that date from the Estado Novo period though, and is just a hang on from that regime which was pretty fascist adjacent even if you can't properly call it outright fascist
@@nektarios5291 Not necessarily. In the USA, during the 40's, it was quite common to see classes during school time to do the Pledge of Allegiance while doing the Roman salute.
The Roman salute of Solar salute (opened hand salutation from the Germanic and Celtic culture) it was quite common on all European based modern societies. Not necessarily fascist.
@@gaia7240 Imagine in Germany xD
Came for the title, stayed for the comedy
the bit Michal is my favourite QI thing ever
Only this year a statue of an atlete bringing the Olympic salute was removed from the front of the Olympic Stadion in Amsterdam, it took Amsterdam only 80 years before realising it was the same as the fascist salute or just that long to give to groups with a high content of political correctness and very low on historic awarness.
Don't know why this is recommended to me but I had a good laugh.
UA-cam is perfecting it's algorithm, it is deeming itself a great success at the moment.
(Don't question it.)
it was the first one to come up wit the image I was looking for and the easiest I could send someone as youtube doesn't allow links in it's comments.
Stephen Fry was wrong about the naming of world war 1. I have been searching in the newspaper archive of Dagbladet, Norway's second-largest paper. They wrote about the world war already during the war.
Re Jesse Owens; Hitler _did_ shake his hand:
"I've read many stories that said Hitler ignored him. Now this is quite untrue because I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved." - Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown, Fleet Air Arm
59:02 (quote at 5:27)
Jul 29, 2014
BBC Britains Greatest Pilot The Extraordinary Story of Captain Winkle Brown - UA-cam
"...But now a veteran sports reporter in Germany has come forward to claim that, though Hitler did indeed leave the stadium after the race, it was not before shaking Owens' hand.
Siegfried Mischner, 83, claims that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of the Fuehrer doing just that.
Owens, who felt the newspapers of the day reported 'unfairly' on Hitler's attitude towards him, tried to get Mischner and his journalist colleagues to change the accepted version of history in the 1960s.
Mischner claimed Owens showed him the photograph and told him: 'That was one of my most beautiful moments.'
Mischner said: 'It was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand.
'The predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens.
'We therefore decided not to report on the photo. The consensus was that Hitler had to continue to be painted in a bad light in relation to Owens.'..."
(Note that the title has been 'updated' to now read: "Did Hitler shake hands with black 1936 Olympic hero Jesse Owens?" The original title can still be seen in the article's URL)
11 August 2009
Hitler 'shook hands' with black 1936 Olympic hero Jesse Owens | Daily Mail Online
And yet the lie still stands:
"... Not everyone, of course, saw Owens' victories as highlights. Hitler famously refused to congratulate him; as TIME explained in the same story, a prominent Nazi theory to explain why the U.S. was beating the host nation so much was "that Negroes are not really people" but rather an "auxiliary force" brought in by the otherwise disappointing real (white) American team. Despite the attempt to explain away the wins with such falsehoods, Owens had proved Hitler's theories about race differences wrong. ..."
Aug 03, 2015
Jesse Owens, Hitler and the Legacy of the 1936 Summer Olympics: Photos | TimeDOTcom
Keep the above in mind the next time the MSM publishes something disparaging about a foreign leader's actions. Mr. Putin comes to mind. Search:
Anti-Putin magazine cover collage
A sad story all the same, mind you I find it fucking hilarious that all the racial stereotypes of the USA are absolutely true the second the real history is searched for and found, which kinda already proves to me what I've always known, that the most population of Americans, are shitheads.
@@michelveilleux1275 How many Americans have you conversed with, Michel?
It's been my life's experience that most folks are fair minded if one gives them a chance to show their better nature.
Never forget who benefits from promoting the modus operandi of divide and rule.
@@johnbovay8353 I said most, not all. And yes, i also agree with that saying, giving people a chance and whatnot. But when obvious shit like that happens, you kinda go 'Oh...imma just stay away from that.' Know what I mean?
Well in retrospect it seems like some of that Putin coverage might have been accurate to say the least
if you dont emphasize the 'first' part, of course they could call it WW1 straight away, if it involved the entire world.....
Relevant countries at that time I think
The Great War
I love q.i. so funny and informative.
The mid-noughties was a golden age for British comedy.
If revealing truth and history in a comedic setting is "ignorance" then you are correct. Well done.
"General ignorance" is the name of this section of QI, as a parody on the "General Knowledge" segments in other quiz shows
@@Cazy243 Ah! Haha, joke is on me then, brilliant 😄 Lack of knowledge indeed, thanks for the enlightenment.
@@TheOddy80 No problem ;)
"Freedom Camps"?
Muhammad Ali had a similar experience when he returned from his Olympic championship.
0:43 lmao that split second change.
The swastika was also not a Nazi invention. Strange that no one ever mentions this.
No one ever mentions it? You mentioned it, so there.
1:10 hahaha :D
David mitchell, my hero once again
I like the way they use their light :D
I keep ignoring this in reccomendations but UA-cam really wants me to watch this for some reason.
* Clicks a world war ii video *
UA-cam Algorithm: Nazi video coming up.
The more I learn about Hitler, the more I don't care for him. I mean, there's nothing redeeming about the guy. -Norm
odd looking duck...
Yeah and worse at all he was vegan🤮
1:20 u tell a zinger like that and get that kind of applause, that’s the thing u tell ur kids
Best qi episode ever