According to William Hobbs, the fight choreographer, the FX department used some kind of coating to look like ice and it was actually super slippery. Apparently, they tried their best, but couldn't actually keep to the choreography and this was the result of their best attempt.
I saw the movies in the theaters when they first came out: Loved them then and still do. I can say this: When I saw that a sword fight on a frozen creek/river was in the mix, I got ready to laugh a LOT -- riding boots, with leather soles and leather heels...and NO Traction. And it was just as good/bad as I expected.
Having fenced on a wax tile floor in bucket boots, I can attest to the slipping and sliding of this scene is not exaggerated. ;-) (I have since learned to keep some rubber slip covers for my boots in my fencing case in the event a tournament or demo is in doors on such a floor.)
Maria Smith you cant go with Olympics as a source of truth sins their shtick is who hit first instead of real combat. Having said, I was wrong about the sword but I still think the guy is retarded for slashing instead of going for the better stabbing reach.
There is no rapier competition at the Olympics. That is saber that has cuts. Only the blade does not have are edge. Rapier DOES have an edge but it was primarily a thrusting weapon. These two movies were the first to have remotely realistic sword work. The fight arranger was Bill Hobbes. Before this they mostly mostly looked to be trying to hit each other's swords and not each other. Its also the first to show sword and dagger. Heck a lot of movies used foils which is purely a practice weapon.
Nice summary,@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv. Indeed, rapier is broad term used by a lot of speakers, and technique via many schools included a lot of cutting. Rapier itself did have a cutting edge primarily dedicated to the last several inches of the blade, which did deliver devastating cuts via a stramazon. In the case of the soldiering musketeers, their blades would have been closer to cut and thrust blades and most definitely designed for cutting action. A common mistake made by sport fencers when evaluating historical methods is to think only in lines of attack. It makes sense as this is the method of teaching and action; however, with cutting action, the perspective needs to be expanded to include diagonal and horizontal slots the blade can be delivered in attack. It opens up the dialogue of blade action immensely. Of course, the actions of the fighters in any fight scene will be over done all for the sake of titillating the audience. True attacks are smaller in action and thus greater in impact. Using a boxing reference, a haymaker is very huge in its visual presentation but limited in its power and easily countered. By comparison, a straight shot delivered in 3 inches utilizing hip flexors for power can knock a man out and be difficult to block.
@@swordandmug "In the case of the soldiering musketeers, their blades would have been closer to cut and thrust blades and most definitely designed for cutting action." Rapiers that are like those seen in the movie are primarily thrusting weapons, yes they can cut, but they too long to be as good at that as they are at thrusting. " It makes sense as this is the method of teaching and action; however, with cutting action, the perspective needs to be expanded to include diagonal and horizontal slots the blade can be delivered in attack." Stop thrust, which will work under those conditions even with a dagger in the other hand. "rue attacks are smaller in action and thus greater in impact. " And are thus primarily thrusts, cuts are NOT smaller in action. " By comparison, a straight shot delivered in 3 inches" Is neither a cut or a thrust, its a punch. Or the fighters are very close and are going to use the offhand weapon. By the way, Bill Hobbes died recently. Ethelred Hardrede
The best muskateer films in my opinion.
I agree
Yeah, best one's made without a doubt
Shame u can't buy it digitally.
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Hands down, not even a competition. No other production comes anywhere close.
A FIGHT TO THE DEATH ON ICE ~~~~~~~ FECKING BRILLIANT !!!
What a great movie!
In any fight, one must take the terrain into account...
One for All and All for One. That's the spirit.
I wish this clip had the lead up to the ambush with D'Artagnan on horseback. The music was great.
Basil Exposition was quite the swordsman...
Well. They must have had fun with that scene. I wonder what the blooper reel looked like?
I think this was the blooper reel lol.
According to William Hobbs, the fight choreographer, the FX department used some kind of coating to look like ice and it was actually super slippery. Apparently, they tried their best, but couldn't actually keep to the choreography and this was the result of their best attempt.
Poor Porthos. :)
I saw the movies in the theaters when they first came out: Loved them then and still do. I can say this: When I saw that a sword fight on a frozen creek/river was in the mix, I got ready to laugh a LOT -- riding boots, with leather soles and leather heels...and NO Traction. And it was just as good/bad as I expected.
Having fenced on a wax tile floor in bucket boots, I can attest to the slipping and sliding of this scene is not exaggerated. ;-) (I have since learned to keep some rubber slip covers for my boots in my fencing case in the event a tournament or demo is in doors on such a floor.)
My favourite sequence in this film is when Milady tells Felton to kill the Duke of Buckingham (George Villiers). The sequence uses Athos's theme.
Simon Ward..
A comedy of errors! This would make Shakespeare proud! LOL
Beleza 👍👍😎😎😅😅
*bad guy reaches for a sword dedicated primarily on stabbing and little else. tries to cut with it*
I have seen them do a slicing motion in rapier in the Olympics. Not entirely sure how that works, but I am sure they know what they are doing.
Maria Smith you cant go with Olympics as a source of truth sins their shtick is who hit first instead of real combat. Having said, I was wrong about the sword but I still think the guy is retarded for slashing instead of going for the better stabbing reach.
There is no rapier competition at the Olympics. That is saber that has cuts. Only the blade does not have are edge.
Rapier DOES have an edge but it was primarily a thrusting weapon. These two movies were the first to have remotely realistic sword work. The fight arranger was Bill Hobbes. Before this they mostly mostly looked to be trying to hit each other's swords and not each other. Its also the first to show sword and dagger.
Heck a lot of movies used foils which is purely a practice weapon.
Nice summary,@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv. Indeed, rapier is broad term used by a lot of speakers, and technique via many schools included a lot of cutting. Rapier itself did have a cutting edge primarily dedicated to the last several inches of the blade, which did deliver devastating cuts via a stramazon. In the case of the soldiering musketeers, their blades would have been closer to cut and thrust blades and most definitely designed for cutting action.
A common mistake made by sport fencers when evaluating historical methods is to think only in lines of attack. It makes sense as this is the method of teaching and action; however, with cutting action, the perspective needs to be expanded to include diagonal and horizontal slots the blade can be delivered in attack. It opens up the dialogue of blade action immensely.
Of course, the actions of the fighters in any fight scene will be over done all for the sake of titillating the audience. True attacks are smaller in action and thus greater in impact. Using a boxing reference, a haymaker is very huge in its visual presentation but limited in its power and easily countered. By comparison, a straight shot delivered in 3 inches utilizing hip flexors for power can knock a man out and be difficult to block.
@@swordandmug
"In the case of the soldiering musketeers, their blades would have been closer to cut and thrust blades and most definitely designed for cutting action."
Rapiers that are like those seen in the movie are primarily thrusting weapons, yes they can cut, but they too long to be as good at that as they are at thrusting.
" It makes sense as this is the method of teaching and action; however, with cutting action, the perspective needs to be expanded to include diagonal and horizontal slots the blade can be delivered in attack."
Stop thrust, which will work under those conditions even with a dagger in the other hand.
"rue attacks are smaller in action and thus greater in impact. "
And are thus primarily thrusts, cuts are NOT smaller in action.
" By comparison, a straight shot delivered in 3 inches"
Is neither a cut or a thrust, its a punch. Or the fighters are very close and are going to use the offhand weapon.
By the way, Bill Hobbes died recently.
Ethelred Hardrede
Basically soap and foam?
That is highly likely. It was filmed in the 1970s.
1.40 That's not ice ahaha
Too comical for a duel.
is something someone who knows jack shit about duels would say
There was a lot of time for fun in this movie - and a time for bitterness. Check the final duel of d'Artagnan against Rochefort.