Very impressive! as a software engineer of 30+ years and an Atari putterer of even longer, I find myself dying to know how each effect was achieved. Makes me want to finish up some things I started in the 80s. ;-)
GTIA and Pokey make this system a 8-Bit Legend... Crazy, what they can do with a 6502, that lacks behind the C64s 6510 and the Spectrum/CPC/MSX Zilog Z80 CPUs! THX!
From someone more familiar with C64 stuff - this is brilliant. The larger colour palette of the Atari really shines here and it all looks amazing. Had much of what the demoscene does today appeared back in games in 198x we'd have all been completely blown away. Imagine things like rescue on fractalus made then with what people know how to do now. Love it :)
Excellent work guys! I like the color palettes and the music! Ooh, and that translucent cube! This is amazing. And the parallax! And the raycast engine! Jeeze, it's one astonishing thing after another!
Creí que en el mundo del ATARI ya era poco lo que me impresionaba, solo viviendo la nostalgia, pero REWIND rompe los límites. Muchas gracias por compartirlo.
VHS glitches? Doable 😉 Sprites against parallaxed bars? That's actually copied from C64 demos by Offence 😉 So pretty much can do, just with uglier colours 😃
Wow, that Doom thing looks so complete (sky, prison with bars, light effects, etc...) you need to make a real game out of it! The forest with the bird would also make a very nice looking game. Also, was that a HIP plasma you had there? Didn't render properly on my phone, but it seemed like that. Congrats! (thanks for the greetings!)
Very cool! Love it! I run an Atari news show here on YT each week, and would love to feature your channel in my content creators bit. Thx for this! New sub
This demo is f'cking impressive. But there is much more possible. I still don't see all GTIA and ANTIC features. Also, as all parts can run at 64K of RAM, there is apossiblity to run that stuff from disk without breaking the flow of a demo.
Atari Pokey can be configured with four 8 bit channels, two 16 bit channels or one 16 bit channel and two 8 bit channels. Therefore it can use small samples, just like the SID. SID has 3 16 bit channels. So POKEY can sound close to SID but needs a lot more memory to do so.
@@jezgomez There's also an extra 1 bit channel on the GTIA. This was routed through the computer speaker on the 400/800 but on later XL/XE models this was mixed with POKEY output. It basically allows generation of cpu driven 1 bit sounds, a bit like the old PC speaker sounds, in the days before sound cards. Effectively it means the Atari has 5 channels or 4.1 to be more precise. Search for "atari gtia music"
Wow, sometimes it seems it's not 8-bit. I use dto have a C64 and I am aware of the limitations; it looks like the Atari had better color palette and also some special FX look impossible to do in the C64. Or is it that the Atari had a much more powerful processor and can do things that the C64 cannot?
Atari 8-bit computers are older machines (1979) than C64 (1982) but have some strenghts (128 colors, taller sprites, overscan, slightly faster CPU). Obviously they have some weaknesses (limited high resolution, lower resolution sprites, 128 characters set).
Yeah, color palette is probably the worst part of C64 - ugly and very limited. Still, an excellent machine that can do different tricks than A8. The soundtrack in Amanita demo is just something else.
Atari had great coprocessors. That was the curse of many chip designers, especially Jay Miner. He designed perfect, timeless circuits. They didn't need to be changed until they were hopelessly outdated. And then they died with the machine that used them. It didn't matter if it was an Atari 8-bit or an Amiga later. But it's management's fault. The 'exhaust it to the death and then forget it' method was the only way to go they knew... For example, the Pokey could be enhanced to stereo. GTIA and ANTIC could get separated video RAM and allow higher horizontal resolution... Ok, being smart 40 years later isn't so hard...
@@jammerc64cmon jammerski, atarka nie potrafi ladowac danych bez wylaczenia polowy pokeya, ladujemy wszystkow ram i odpalamy (czasami pare bankow sie uzyje, ale z grubsza kazdy fx smiga na stocku); ja czasami zazdroscilem tego loading-w-tle-flow z komody, bo mozna pod muze fajny design robic
@@SoloKazama w zasadzie to powinna być cała sztuka aranżu muzy, żeby podczas ładowania danych 2 kanały wystarczyły 😉 ale zgaduję, że ładowanie ze stacji to więcej niedogodności, bo chyba z powodu samej muzy cała scena nie poszłaby w ram expandy?
Zobaczyłem, zachwyciłem się, wyrażam szacunek. Ale uwierzę dopiero gdy ktoś mi to puści na prawdziwym Atari. Dodatkowy RAM (nawet 1MB) nie stanowi dla mnie problemu. Jestem z tych, którzy akceptują rozszerzenia pamięci w ośmiobitowcach, bo uważam, że w epoce ich RAM był sztucznie obcinany przez księgowych. Zresztą to dotyczy wszystkich platform, nawet wielu dzisiejszych.
Warner Atari was laughably badly managed. Lost Miner and the Amiga. The ridiculously badly designed 5200, which should have been the xegs in 1982. Unfocused, badly managed hardware design and manufacturing, causing 6502 shortages and xl overpricing, too many 2600 upgrade projects, crappy 2600 dev environment resulting in losing best coders to activision, imagic, etc,, rushed crappy coding like pacman, et, defender, etc, unfocused next gen 16bit computer projects, on and on. Tramiel picked up the pieces and had a great hardware run.
Amamzing effects for hardware designed in 1978, one of the great 8-Bit demos.
I completely agree!
This is amazing! WE NEED MORE DEMOS LIKE THIS ON THE 7800!!!
As a real c64 fan I have to confess: this looks ridiculously good. Those colors…
Now is the time to convert!
Convert now!
Atari's 8-bit computers were designed in 1977 and 1978, about three years before the Commodore 64. They should have been obsolete by that time.
its not time to convert ! both C64 and Atari 8Bit are so beautiful !!!!!
So is the feud old! Convert or perish!@@Matze_Supercomputer
Very impressive! as a software engineer of 30+ years and an Atari putterer of even longer, I find myself dying to know how each effect was achieved. Makes me want to finish up some things I started in the 80s. ;-)
Respect. This blows away some top notch c64 stuff on with no sid lol... Great job.
GTIA and Pokey make this system a 8-Bit Legend... Crazy, what they can do with a 6502, that lacks behind the C64s 6510 and the Spectrum/CPC/MSX Zilog Z80 CPUs! THX!
4 channels of delight coming down from POKEY.
This is truly impressive for 1979 hardware :)
7:51 - nawiązanie do Numena z wstawkami z soundtracku z Dooma wymiata :) Miker szacun
From someone more familiar with C64 stuff - this is brilliant. The larger colour palette of the Atari really shines here and it all looks amazing. Had much of what the demoscene does today appeared back in games in 198x we'd have all been completely blown away. Imagine things like rescue on fractalus made then with what people know how to do now. Love it :)
Such a demo on the Amiga's true little brother would even impress Amiga fans. Such a Doom like game on the 8 bit would be mindblowing.
Actually there is one. Final Assault was released in 2021
Jay Miner's work will live on in both Atari 8-bit and Commodore Amiga computers. He shall be forever remembered.
Amazing what can still be squeezed out of these late-70s machines!
1MB memory
@@TheRobertfili The demo parts run on 64K machines.
1MB is for a fluent run of the demo.
@@IXSVideo Does the 1MB only simulate a floppy for faster loading?
@@cyberyogicowindler2448 As it is pre loadad into the memory, it's a kind of fast loading.
@@TheRobertfili doom required 128kb ram , its run on standard 130xe machines ;)
I love this !!!
AWESOME STUFF! Made the machine SING! Loved the car ride section.
That chunky parallax is sick.
this is so awesome !!!!!!!!!
8:13 doom music, so cool.
Wow! Great demo! i really like it. Nice effects, Parts are not too long, FSO :) nice doom part, great gfx and sfx.
Waouh !! It's really an amazing work !!! Artistic & technic !!! oO So well optimised !! A very High quality demo on Atari XL 1088 !!!!!!
great!
Best demo for Atari 8bit and +1mb ram :)
LOST Party rulez!!!
No Borewicz wymiata wszystko co było do tej pory:-) Dziękuję.Super Demko.
Excellent work guys! I like the color palettes and the music! Ooh, and that translucent cube! This is amazing. And the parallax! And the raycast engine! Jeeze, it's one astonishing thing after another!
This is amazing! Loved every scene and couldn’t stop watching this demo!
Creí que en el mundo del ATARI ya era poco lo que me impresionaba, solo viviendo la nostalgia, pero REWIND rompe los límites. Muchas gracias por compartirlo.
Very impressive. Great work guys!
Very impressive!! 👏👏👏👏👏
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a masterpiece on Atari 8-bit. First screen already shows things a C64 can't do. Heheh
VHS glitches? Doable 😉 Sprites against parallaxed bars? That's actually copied from C64 demos by Offence 😉 So pretty much can do, just with uglier colours 😃
Amazing job :) Świetna robota :)
Excellent work!!
szach i mat:) rispekt:)
Amazing Demo ! ❤🇵🇱
Nie no genialne! Ja się pytam dlaczego nie było takich gierek na atari w latach 90-tych 😂
może będzie w dzisiejszych czasach , bo engine gry jest w realtime a tylko zrzut klawiatury jest jako patch :D
bonkers !!! :) big restecpa :)
Poldożer, czyli nasi tam byli !
tak to demo jest zrobione w Polsce :)
Wow, that Doom thing looks so complete (sky, prison with bars, light effects, etc...) you need to make a real game out of it! The forest with the bird would also make a very nice looking game. Also, was that a HIP plasma you had there? Didn't render properly on my phone, but it seemed like that. Congrats! (thanks for the greetings!)
Thanks but I am not involved in this stunning demo, my skills are limited ah ah.
The bird / forest scene was very relaxing and would even just make awesome ambience by itself ..
Everyone knows that software developers from Poland are the best in the world. This demo is polish masterpiece.
schönes demo 🐸
Auf jeden Fall.
WOW 🤩🤩🤩🤩
DOOM on the Atari 8-Bit! :D
When conventional hardware reaches its physical limit relatively soon The next frontier will be efficiency
This is so amazing!
Thanks!!!
Pozdrowienia z Polski :) FSO :)
Nice commentary. Kocham Polskę. Jestem niemcem.
Do-sko-na-łe! Braaaawooo! 👏
Very cool! Love it! I run an Atari news show here on YT each week, and would love to feature your channel in my content creators bit. Thx for this! New sub
i love it.
7.28 - старые добрые времена)
Спасибо, как один из авторов этой демонстрации, я хотел бы, чтобы нас объединяла страсть, а не политика ;)
This demo is f'cking impressive. But there is much more possible.
I still don't see all GTIA and ANTIC features.
Also, as all parts can run at 64K of RAM, there is apossiblity to run that stuff from disk without breaking the flow of a demo.
How did they get the drums to soubd so SID like?
Atari Pokey can be configured with four 8 bit channels, two 16 bit channels or one 16 bit channel and two 8 bit channels. Therefore it can use small samples, just like the SID. SID has 3 16 bit channels. So POKEY can sound close to SID but needs a lot more memory to do so.
@@R6502A very interesting :)
@@jezgomez There's also an extra 1 bit channel on the GTIA. This was routed through the computer speaker on the 400/800 but on later XL/XE models this was mixed with POKEY output. It basically allows generation of cpu driven 1 bit sounds, a bit like the old PC speaker sounds, in the days before sound cards. Effectively it means the Atari has 5 channels or 4.1 to be more precise. Search for "atari gtia music"
Miodzio 😍😍
Wow, sometimes it seems it's not 8-bit.
I use dto have a C64 and I am aware of the limitations; it looks like the Atari had better color palette and also some special FX look impossible to do in the C64. Or is it that the Atari had a much more powerful processor and can do things that the C64 cannot?
Atari 8-bit computers are older machines (1979) than C64 (1982) but have some strenghts (128 colors, taller sprites, overscan, slightly faster CPU). Obviously they have some weaknesses (limited high resolution, lower resolution sprites, 128 characters set).
Yeah, color palette is probably the worst part of C64 - ugly and very limited. Still, an excellent machine that can do different tricks than A8. The soundtrack in Amanita demo is just something else.
Actually, the default maximum used to be 256 colors, but there are demos wringing out over 25,000 colors!
Atari had great coprocessors. That was the curse of many chip designers, especially Jay Miner. He designed perfect, timeless circuits. They didn't need to be changed until they were hopelessly outdated. And then they died with the machine that used them. It didn't matter if it was an Atari 8-bit or an Amiga later.
But it's management's fault. The 'exhaust it to the death and then forget it' method was the only way to go they knew...
For example, the Pokey could be enhanced to stereo. GTIA and ANTIC could get separated video RAM and allow higher horizontal resolution...
Ok, being smart 40 years later isn't so hard...
@@cazb73 it had to be a cheap computer for the masses not the classes:)
Szok Szok Szok!!
Хорошая демка
спасибо :) Я бы хотел, чтобы страсть к ретро-технике была сильнее, чем политические вопросы ;) С уважением Święty/Zelax
The killer. /I\
No co ty ;)
@@tatqoo Samciu jak no co ty :)
Jest Doom - klikam lajka :D
Nice commentary. Kocham Polskę. Jestem niemcem.
My part of music has been released on my channel (sorry for hijacking the comments).
muzyka w tym demie wymiata :D demo się ogląda świetnie - mówię to mimo że sam zakodowałem sporą część dema ;)
I can't run it in my mister pga core, any ideas? thanks!
It runs in PAL mode.
@@philsan69 y tried all combination in core options. And not work
doom demo is nice. make it a game
O cie...
No VBXE? :O
tak wyszlo ;- ) pzdr:)
zwykłe Atari z 1MB ramu ;) potęga kodu heh :)
@@swietyEFI ale 1mb to nie jest zwykłe Atari xD
@@jammerc64cmon jammerski, atarka nie potrafi ladowac danych bez wylaczenia polowy pokeya, ladujemy wszystkow ram i odpalamy (czasami pare bankow sie uzyje, ale z grubsza kazdy fx smiga na stocku); ja czasami zazdroscilem tego loading-w-tle-flow z komody, bo mozna pod muze fajny design robic
@@SoloKazama w zasadzie to powinna być cała sztuka aranżu muzy, żeby podczas ładowania danych 2 kanały wystarczyły 😉 ale zgaduję, że ładowanie ze stacji to więcej niedogodności, bo chyba z powodu samej muzy cała scena nie poszłaby w ram expandy?
Zobaczyłem, zachwyciłem się, wyrażam szacunek. Ale uwierzę dopiero gdy ktoś mi to puści na prawdziwym Atari. Dodatkowy RAM (nawet 1MB) nie stanowi dla mnie problemu. Jestem z tych, którzy akceptują rozszerzenia pamięci w ośmiobitowcach, bo uważam, że w epoce ich RAM był sztucznie obcinany przez księgowych. Zresztą to dotyczy wszystkich platform, nawet wielu dzisiejszych.
ja sobie puszczam i bangla :)
@@triplextechinquisitor4619 hehe. poka?
Na party przecież Pin, nie puszczał tego z pralki tylko z Atari :)
Muzyka zjebana, jak to na A8, ale efekty i grafika - mistrzostwo!!! Ten doom to zajebioza!
Akurat tu nie masz racji. Jest typowo atarowska i dobrze brzmi....ale to juz kwestia gustu.
@@tommyeastwood4393 A dziękuję w imieniu całej ekipy..
@@tommyeastwood4393 Moja część muzyki dostępna u mnie na kanale
Warner Atari was laughably badly managed.
Lost Miner and the Amiga.
The ridiculously badly designed 5200, which should have been the xegs in 1982.
Unfocused, badly managed hardware design and manufacturing, causing 6502 shortages and xl overpricing, too many 2600 upgrade projects, crappy 2600 dev environment resulting in losing best coders to activision, imagic, etc,, rushed crappy coding like pacman, et, defender, etc, unfocused next gen 16bit computer projects, on and on.
Tramiel picked up the pieces and had a great hardware run.
The only worthy demo is a playable game 🤪
find - adoom on atari xl/xe ;) my port based on this demo routines ;)
Stop wasting your time and talent on these stupid demos and make some games that people can actually play.
playing is stupid :)
„Flimbo’s Quest” game still awaits to be finished , to say the least! :|
🤣 kick ass your self ....do not try to tell others how to live...nolife Rlamer...BLasPh/NG
You apparently have no clue what the differences between a game and a demo are.
Both have totally different requirements and features.
Wow!