I got an email from you today with the subject "Hello Tom, what are you waiting for?" - I'm waiting for the bloody politicians to get their shizzle together and let me ride a scooter to work!
I got an electric bike for my 10 mile trip to work , took me 35 minutes down a cycle path that is lucky enough to be next to my house, its beautiful seeing wild life rabbits,pheasant, bird travelling to my work.
Which bike costs that much? She was riding a Tern GSD? At ebikeshop I see it’s just over £5k: ‘Tern GSD S10 Electric Cargo Bike Bosch 2023 - £5,099.00’ Quality ebikes are relatively expensive. Economy of scale, tech, design and expensive parts. Early motorcycles were similarly expensive. A (1903) BSA motorcycle was “Yours for fifty quid, or £56.10s with the clutch” . Which was more than a year’s earnings for most* *Average income per head, which had risen from £34.9 in 1874 to £42.7 in 1900, was higher than anywhere else. Yet, at home, Britain's wealth was very unevenly distributed, with half the nation's income going to one-ninth of its population.
@@tubecated_development Lexmoto and Benelli for two. Even at £5k you could get a Yamaha R125. There’s nothing special about a Tern that warrants a £8,500 price tag. On AliExpress for £1000 you can buy a cargo ebike built to your spec with free shipping!
I dont get why ebikes are so expensive. Electric scooters with 2kW battery, 70km top speed, 60V system, app, colorfull display, front rear light, fenders, air suspension = 4000 Euro. Electric moped with 2kW battery, 70 km top speed, 60V system, app, colorfull display, locking, front rear light, fenders, spring suspension, road legal = 4000 Euro. Electric bike with 0,7kW battery, 40km top speed, 36V system, no app, 80s calculator display, no lights, no fenders, no suspension = 4000 Euro. Whyyyyyy ?????
Automakers in my country (and in many others too I believe) stopped selling entry level cars because they don't make much money selling those.They could be digging their own grave since this could be a big push towards e-bikes. Too bad we don't have any electric cargo bikes here yet.
It’s also due to emission regulations (ironically, since a massive SUV with a titchy battery for its hybrid system is way worse than a little VW Up!). Small cars struggle to incorporate the full hybrid tech in the space available, especially at a reasonable price, so the manufacturers are ditching them. It’s just like when the old huge hybrid Lexus SUVs were congestion charge exempt, all just gaming the system. This is before incorporating the cost of road damage of a 2 ton SUV versus a 1 ton city car too, or their risk of outright killing anything they run into on account of high bonnets and physical mass.
@Chrus600 Not really, at least in USA. Reason why some or most major car manufacturers are discontinued small entry-level cars because more and more people are switching over to SUVs and SUVs has higher profit margins then cars do. Then SUVs and trucks has less stricter emissions or gas mileage regulations. Do you know the top selling Hybrid for the last 15+ years is Toyota Prius? There alo have been countless of compact Hybrid vehicles in the last 20+ years. Before most companies had created artificial inflation (most of the time) during C-19 by raising the prices on everything, you could buy a brand new Hybrid Car for under 19k USA dollar. Now, the cheapest new Hybrid vehicle you could buy cost just under 23k. You can save alot of money on buying a used Hybrid or even a Electric car. They problem is the battery packs might need to be replaced soon (1 to 4+ years). It's going to cost up to 7,500 for Hybrid or 30k+ for electric. EDIT: It is also easier to increase the gas mileage in cars then it is with SUVs and Trucks.
The Tern GSD model Laura is using is the S10 which retails at a much more modest price of £5000. The Tern model you're promoting on your webshop is the premium R14 with a Rohloff hub for £8600, hardly an entry model for child transportation.
You'll need layers too, waterproof pants, I like the outdoor stores they have waterproof and snuggly stuff. High visibility jacket, boot covers at least you didn't burn ALL that money
Getting my CUBE electric bike in a few days through the cycle to work scheme, with a£500 discount in the shop and then £600 savings through the scheme it’s a total bargain. Only downer is there’s no way I can leave it anywhere other than work as bike crime is so prolific, but cycling to work along the river Cam will be way better than sitting in traffic.
As a lifelong and experienced cyclist I applaud this and also recommend she raises her saddle to maximise pedalling efficiency and reduce likelihood of strain injury. Your leg should ideally have only a very slight bend at the knee (looks more or less straight but not locked solid) when at bottom of pedal-stroke.
@@Electroheads I don’t choose to comment based on gender or sex etc. That was all you. I see people of all different ages sexes, genders, heights, and weights cycling around with their knees kissing their chins. Glad to be of service. Ride on, ride all!
@@Electroheads Oof... I'm a bike mechanic and it's makin my knees hurt just watchin. Ouch. I see men and women all over my town riding with their seats too low, and have talked to people at stop lights about it. Lost count of how many times I've had people pedal back up to my cars window after raising their seat to the right height to say thanks at the next stoplight.
I’m going to take a wild guess and say Laura had her saddle low in order to have as much reach to the ground as she had her kid on the back. It’s a confidence boost knowing that she can drop her leg and take the weight of the bike + pillion.
@@justkol That’s the beauty of having not only a stepthru-frame (slide fwd and yr foot is on the ground) but also the Tern GSD has a fairly crank-fwd/laid-back design which allows a rider to make use of leg-extension yet also be able to have both feet flat on the floor while seated (ie no need to compromise with ridiculously-low saddle)
I agree that the saddle is too low, but I'd estimate it's within a 25mm range - enough to only matter on particularly long rides. I'm always riding bikeshares so on every ride, I'm adjusting the height across different generation frames, checking for collapsed saddle adjustments, testing for chains in dangerously poor condition, and I've also gotten the comparison between pedal and pedal assist when riding the ebikes. With the ebike the pedal assist kicks in on the first stroke and magically increases your power output, so you just don't care a lot about efficiency until you hit a steep grade. Biasing low is better for commuting. A lower center of gravity makes stopping easier, connection to pedals and ankle stability is ensured, scooting starts are easier. High saddles tend to be what professional fitting biases towards, but the rationale for it when commuting is all wrong.
This is particularly London biased it doesn’t always relate to other areas of the country, the woman featured still owns a car so she is fortunate in being able to afford to run a car and spend over £8k on an electric bike. I think that small ev,s are also part of the answer, vehicles like the Wuling Hongguan mini ev which in China costs less than the Tern.
A lot of people on this channel ride a bike incorrectly the seat height needs to be a lot higher if they do this they will find riding a bike a lot easier. See Peter Piper's comments.
Braver parents than I are leading the way for the rest of us! I cycle a lot of places in Boston, including to and from work, and for the USA it's a pretty bikeable city despite the aggressive drivers. When I take my toddler to school, I have to pass some stroads so I take my giant pickup truck. I see a guy taking his kids on an urban arrow (not on the stroad) and I'm rooting for him. Unfortunately, without the appropriate infrastructure, I dont feel safe doing the same. I hate driving, I hate traffic, and I know my daughter would love riding to school. Hopefully some day we can live in a world where travel is a healthy, safe, joyful activity.
All power to her. We have to get out of this mindset of needing a car as soon as we leave school. I never thought about that when I did so have always cycled everywhere or used public transport. I live and work in the same town and my journey is only just over 2 miles so for me driving would be a waste of time.
I use a moscow electric mountain bike to tow a children's trailer. My grandsons love to ride in it. I can take two kids and all their kit anywhere. The Thule chariot folds up like a buggy for storage.
Great video, nice to see mum's perspective. Wondering if a new kind of bike tracker would help people like that, i.e. one that is put well into the frame of the bike and "energy harvests" to get the power to chirp it's position if stolen. If the tracker were installed in the bottom tube that goes from front to back and "sealed in, then it would be extremely difficult to remove. A blinky LED could make it obvious to potential thieves that the bike is locked and track-able. A phone app that notifies unplanned bike movement and then tracks the bike would make it easier to nab thieves in the act. Perhaps bike insurance companies could help design/distribute and sponsor such a device...
That's a great shout. There's some bike companies who have really gone in on security and tracking. It makes leaving an expensive bike just that bit easier should you need to lock it up
Great video. This is the sort of active travel promotion that really gets through to people. Normal people, no ranting. More power to your elbow making stuff like this.
I have just bought a new fat-bike and converted it and the whole thing including powertool batteries cost me just over £400. London prices are robbery!
In Belgium & Holland people are "Bike aware". They are not in the Uk, so accidents are more likely. Especially with dangerous scooters & scooter users.
Well done Eilis, this is just the sort of information and encouragement that people need to get stuck into alternatives, BUT £9K including bits and bobs? Madness, how can they justify such a price? A new Kia Picanto is only twice that. (My old KP is worth £2.5K, my costs are tax/ins £200/yr, and we stretch the services in conjunction with our service garage). We use this car to transport elderly friends and family to the hospital and such, so no one needs to spend £40K on a car to drive to the shops. We need to stop people from being ripped off. Another thought is that "Mum" should ALWAYS wear hi-vis when transporting a child. A grey fleece just doesn't cut it, it hides her child from the front and puts them both at risk. Hi-vis should be mandatory for all cyclists (same for helmets), drivers have to wear seat belts, we all have to contribute. Great video, more like this, but please also do some vids riding in the rain, we get a lot in the UK and people should think about it before thinking that riding is an all-year-round joy, there are different kit and skills required to do it safely. Rural dwellers need cars though, my nearest town is 12 miles away.
I agree with you on the ridiculous prices of e-bikes. It's hard justify the costs of these premium cargo and utilitarian e-bikes. You could buy a second hand Nissan Leaf that will carry 5 people plus generous cargo for a much longer range than that tern. Even "big" name ebike manufacturers like Tern or Riese & Muller are small in overall production. I really feel that the major car manufacturers like Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota need to just come up with half a dozen e-bike models and churn them out by the millions the same as they do for cars at half the cost all of these little e-bike manufacturers can. Because otherwise, the Chinese are going to take over this market. And if the quality and prices are right then that's going to be a good thing. And that bike needs to be insured so that's another additional cost. Plus there will be a a couple of hundred bucks of maintenance required every few thousand miles and probably a new motor and or battery after 10,000 miles so another £1,000+ These are real and expected expenses of running a premium ebike. Many of the "cheap" e-bikes with unique proprietary components sold are just dumped as not worth repairing when they have problems.
Every time I have to take my car somewhere I feel like it's a punishment. And I have a terrific car, so that's not the problem. Keep wishing I could take the kids around on my ebike but the infrastructure here in the US just doesn't grant that kind of confidence.
I’m a big cyclist, I have 4 bikes. I cycle 300miles a month to work. I do bikepacking as well. I would love to get rid of my car and use more public transport. But the train service in this country is awful and overpriced for the service you get compared to comparable European countries. Trying to use the train and get your bike on as well (to enable a journey to be joined up) is very stressful and unreliable. I’ve just done a 2 week cycle trip over the Hebrides and the hardest part of the journey was attempting to organise the train journey. It’s awful. Next time I might use my car, I don’t want to buy this choice is being removed from me. It’s like being forced to own and use a private car. And I’m very much pro bike and pro public transport. We really have got a long way to go to reduce or car dependence and the strongly negative way people and the media think against cyclists and other forms of transport.
One of those bikes wouldnt last 5mins where i live (if i could afford one. Which I cant.) It would be nicked virtually instantly you took it on the road. Pity. If GB could sort out its transport policy like Hollands has done, I, and a lot more people would cycle. But not at the moment.
About to get (assuming the test ride goes well) a Babboe City-E for infant transport purposes - we're in a much smaller city, so there's a lot less general traffic but also much less of a critical mass of nonstandard bike riders. Still, got to start somewhere!
Great vid Eilis, you're becoming the "Propel" channel of the UK! Have to say well over 8 grand for an e-bike seems like a heck of a lot of money though. Such a shame even though I know you're paying for quality, I can't help thinking you could find a used car for that much. You still need a high disposable income, somewhere to store it and a dedication to the cause to get on the road with one of these. I spent £1250 on a folding e-bike in lock down and I get nervous every time I lock that up when I'm out, couldn't cope with anything more valuable 😅. I guess eventually we might get to the stage the Dutch are at with protected bike parking, won't that be great?!
One should do the math. I live in the US and after tracking our spending we realized we could buy a brand new e cargo bike every year and it would still be cheaper that what we were paying for our minivan in fuel and insurance alone! That’s not taking depreciation in consideration. It’s an upfront cost but it’s worth it.
@@jacobpowell1882 yes, that's true enough and I made that calculation quite happily when we got our used ev. I think my brain goes: "but it's just a bike!" which is daft because I know it's more than that... especially as I'm not able to ride "just a bike" being disabled by ME/CFS and need the power assist. Maybe we better just get saving!
Does she terrify car companies? I am all for eco travel, clean travel, and getting us all out of cars, but this headline is just false. Anyone living in London might like this, but for the rest of the world, life is just not the same. I really wish this channel would be less London centric
Well, in my country getting anywhere by bicycle is too dangerous in the big city, and countryside the targets of the travel, like work, are usually too far away to make it there by bicycle. But bicycling is still one of the most fun and most healthy activities for the free time, when You can choose the most beautiful paths, and not have to take the shortest path to some particular destination.
As someone who over the last year has had 4 bikes stolen with a value of £10,000 I am done with expensive bikes. Three of them were stolen from my living room and apparently I was followed home and they came and stole them during the night whilst we were sleeping. I am sure this will happen more frequently especially in a major city.
Can someone explain how it saves her on car ownership apart from fuel? My car still needs insuring, mot, tax, servicing. I use my bike as much as possible and would love a £9k gsd but in my mind cant justify it, evan the cheaper ones. What am i missing?
If you get an e-bike that doesn’t die when it gets wet in the rain. Then that’s when I’ll consider buying an e-bike again. So let me know okay. See you!
These folk are loaded 😮,the companies spot a Londoner and double the prices because they know they get paid the big bucks ,its like a different planet down south. 😮🇬🇧 🌎
Pushing £9k?! £9k will run a ULEZ compliant car for at least two or three years with all consumables and insurance. Love cargo bikes but this is lunacy!
I also ride el.scooter for work and my awrige rides with cars has folded to 65% less i use the car . Only on biger travel and if i realy must. But i use scooter for ewry thing ewry day.
Good interview with someone with real life experience, even though she seems like she is comfortably well off, its not practical in London to have a heavy ebike if you have to carry it up stairs. She says she keeps it in the hallway, well if it was in a converted house with flats upstairs you cannot, because of 'fire regulations' etc, no pushchairs etc in the hallway. I looked up the motor, its a Bosch Cargo Line, and it claims 85 Nm. Well this cannot possibly be gained from 250w motor. I don't know if brown envelopes have been passed but just have a look at the Nm of 250 motors, the legal limit in the UK
Blimey, the prices are astronomical! Like £8,600 for a cargo bike! Then you quote Sadiq Khan and it all went out of the window! I love this channel, but this was a bit sugary, well off middle class biassed.
We do also make videos pressuring the London Mayor and the UK Government to make scooters (which are more affordable than e-bikes) legal. If we tried to please everybody all the time, then we'd end up pleasing nobody.
Rubbish clickbait description, boring presentation (tip for Electrodeads - why not simply change your name to "Ooh, aren't WE great?" 'cause that's pretty much the only thing you're saying nowadays - plenty of better reviewers online. Just sayin'.
Child seat perched above a rear wheel is the worst way to carry a child. He sits very high, in case of fall the potential energy adds to the kinetic, the bike is not stable when leaning on the kickstand, the child has zero visibility and is squeezed against the parent's back. Trailers and cargo bikes are much safer, comfortable and practical. Also, tell Lora to lift up that saddle if she wants to have working knees in ten years.
@@alexwilsonpottery3733 exactly. Road Tax mentioned at 5:58. Nope it's Vehicle Tax (even though it's a emissions tax and electric vehicles (and some others) are exempt from it - for now). But the most common thing I'm told is that cyclists should pay road tax. One of the many cycling bingo squares.
@@utubeape can you imagine if we had to pay Road Tax and it was based on actual road damage? We'd have to buy a century of it at a time to be able to pay in legal tender (1 pence).
My conspiracy theorist antennae are telling me that this video, and possibly this channel, are a subtle plug for 15 minute cities. Nice bike and lifestyle, though.
15 minute cities are a fantastic idea. Or as the Dutch and Danish call them, cities. What's the conspiracy theory again? Something about a Jewish cabal headed by George Soros wishing to control out lives through city planning or something.....Here's a much more realistic conspiracy. The opposition to sustainable cities is funded by the oil, car and road building multinationals.
Are vibration dampeners available for the childseats? I do think cycling can be beneficial for children's + parent's health, but watching those kids bounce over some of those bumps in the video makes me curious if the constant shocks could have a negative affect on brain health and development akin to what is being discovered about the negative effects of repeated hits in American Football (NFL), ice hockey, etc? I feel like a simple suspension system, even as simple as some rubber blocks mounted under the childseats, could help to alleviate this issue?
@@tubecated_development Not all at once. Single large impacts or continual vibration over time can result in the same style of brain injury, especially when it comes to developing brains in young children.
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I got an email from you today with the subject "Hello Tom, what are you waiting for?" - I'm waiting for the bloody politicians to get their shizzle together and let me ride a scooter to work!
ah, you can ride one - if you hire it, but the exact same spec is illegal to own. A sad portent of things to come, thank you Klaus
You can ride a scooter today - a kick scooter!
I got an electric bike for my 10 mile trip to work , took me 35 minutes down a cycle path that is lucky enough to be next to my house, its beautiful seeing wild life rabbits,pheasant, bird travelling to my work.
Dave lock. What sort of Bike did U get that's super fast.
@@omaramoodi3057 that's an average of 17 mph bot that fast really
@Omar Amoodi emovement panther v4 it says on my phone I'm doing 17mph when pedaling.
@@davelocktalk . That seems fast, I used to cycle just over 10 miles to work, it took me about an hour .
£8,600.00 is an absolute joke of a price!!! How the hell do they justify that? You can buy 3 125cc brand new motorcycles for that price!
Which bike costs that much? She was riding a Tern GSD? At ebikeshop I see it’s just over £5k: ‘Tern GSD S10 Electric Cargo Bike Bosch 2023 - £5,099.00’
Quality ebikes are relatively expensive. Economy of scale, tech, design and expensive parts. Early motorcycles were similarly expensive. A (1903) BSA motorcycle was “Yours for fifty quid, or £56.10s with the clutch” . Which was more than a year’s earnings for most*
*Average income per head, which had risen from £34.9 in 1874 to £42.7 in 1900, was higher than anywhere else. Yet, at home, Britain's wealth was very unevenly distributed, with half the nation's income going to one-ninth of its population.
@@tubecated_development Lexmoto and Benelli for two. Even at £5k you could get a Yamaha R125. There’s nothing special about a Tern that warrants a £8,500 price tag. On AliExpress for £1000 you can buy a cargo ebike built to your spec with free shipping!
I dont get why ebikes are so expensive.
Electric scooters with 2kW battery, 70km top speed, 60V system, app, colorfull display, front rear light, fenders, air suspension = 4000 Euro.
Electric moped with 2kW battery, 70 km top speed, 60V system, app, colorfull display, locking, front rear light, fenders, spring suspension, road legal = 4000 Euro.
Electric bike with 0,7kW battery, 40km top speed, 36V system, no app, 80s calculator display, no lights, no fenders, no suspension = 4000 Euro. Whyyyyyy ?????
Great to see people in London getting on a bike and making it work even on the school run.
Automakers in my country (and in many others too I believe) stopped selling entry level cars because they don't make much money selling those.They could be digging their own grave since this could be a big push towards e-bikes. Too bad we don't have any electric cargo bikes here yet.
It’s also due to emission regulations (ironically, since a massive SUV with a titchy battery for its hybrid system is way worse than a little VW Up!). Small cars struggle to incorporate the full hybrid tech in the space available, especially at a reasonable price, so the manufacturers are ditching them.
It’s just like when the old huge hybrid Lexus SUVs were congestion charge exempt, all just gaming the system.
This is before incorporating the cost of road damage of a 2 ton SUV versus a 1 ton city car too, or their risk of outright killing anything they run into on account of high bonnets and physical mass.
@Chrus600 Not really, at least in USA.
Reason why some or most major car manufacturers are discontinued small entry-level cars because more and more people are switching over to SUVs and SUVs has higher profit margins then cars do.
Then SUVs and trucks has less stricter emissions or gas mileage regulations.
Do you know the top selling Hybrid for the last 15+ years is Toyota Prius?
There alo have been countless of compact Hybrid vehicles in the last 20+ years.
Before most companies had created artificial inflation (most of the time) during C-19 by raising the prices on everything, you could buy a brand new Hybrid Car for under 19k USA dollar.
Now, the cheapest new Hybrid vehicle you could buy cost just under 23k.
You can save alot of money on buying a used Hybrid or even a Electric car.
They problem is the battery packs might need to be replaced soon (1 to 4+ years).
It's going to cost up to 7,500 for Hybrid or 30k+ for electric.
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It is also easier to increase the gas mileage in cars then it is with SUVs and Trucks.
Yeah we do
@@Chrus600 Why would you buy a hybrid?
@@Frombie_01 I probably wouldn’t? 🤷♂️
The Tern GSD model Laura is using is the S10 which retails at a much more modest price of £5000. The Tern model you're promoting on your webshop is the premium R14 with a Rohloff hub for £8600, hardly an entry model for child transportation.
I've been riding Not driving for 3 years and you'll need waterproof clothing and I recommend heated gloves they ROCK
You'll need layers too, waterproof pants, I like the outdoor stores they have waterproof and snuggly stuff. High visibility jacket, boot covers at least you didn't burn ALL that money
Getting my CUBE electric bike in a few days through the cycle to work scheme, with a£500 discount in the shop and then £600 savings through the scheme it’s a total bargain. Only downer is there’s no way I can leave it anywhere other than work as bike crime is so prolific, but cycling to work along the river Cam will be way better than sitting in traffic.
As a lifelong and experienced cyclist I applaud this and also recommend she raises her saddle to maximise pedalling efficiency and reduce likelihood of strain injury. Your leg should ideally have only a very slight bend at the knee (looks more or less straight but not locked solid) when at bottom of pedal-stroke.
Can men watch a video of women cycling without commenting on saddle height challenge (Impossible!)
@@Electroheads I don’t choose to comment based on gender or sex etc. That was all you. I see people of all different ages sexes, genders, heights, and weights cycling around with their knees kissing their chins. Glad to be of service. Ride on, ride all!
@@Electroheads Oof... I'm a bike mechanic and it's makin my knees hurt just watchin. Ouch. I see men and women all over my town riding with their seats too low, and have talked to people at stop lights about it. Lost count of how many times I've had people pedal back up to my cars window after raising their seat to the right height to say thanks at the next stoplight.
I’m going to take a wild guess and say Laura had her saddle low in order to have as much reach to the ground as she had her kid on the back. It’s a confidence boost knowing that she can drop her leg and take the weight of the bike + pillion.
@@justkol That’s the beauty of having not only a stepthru-frame (slide fwd and yr foot is on the ground) but also the Tern GSD has a fairly crank-fwd/laid-back design which allows a rider to make use of leg-extension yet also be able to have both feet flat on the floor while seated (ie no need to compromise with ridiculously-low saddle)
I agree that the saddle is too low, but I'd estimate it's within a 25mm range - enough to only matter on particularly long rides. I'm always riding bikeshares so on every ride, I'm adjusting the height across different generation frames, checking for collapsed saddle adjustments, testing for chains in dangerously poor condition, and I've also gotten the comparison between pedal and pedal assist when riding the ebikes. With the ebike the pedal assist kicks in on the first stroke and magically increases your power output, so you just don't care a lot about efficiency until you hit a steep grade. Biasing low is better for commuting. A lower center of gravity makes stopping easier, connection to pedals and ankle stability is ensured, scooting starts are easier. High saddles tend to be what professional fitting biases towards, but the rationale for it when commuting is all wrong.
This is particularly London biased it doesn’t always relate to other areas of the country, the woman featured still owns a car so she is fortunate in being able to afford to run a car and spend over £8k on an electric bike. I think that small ev,s are also part of the answer, vehicles like the Wuling Hongguan mini ev which in China costs less than the Tern.
A lot of people on this channel ride a bike incorrectly the seat height needs to be a lot higher if they do this they will find riding a bike a lot easier. See Peter Piper's comments.
Braver parents than I are leading the way for the rest of us! I cycle a lot of places in Boston, including to and from work, and for the USA it's a pretty bikeable city despite the aggressive drivers. When I take my toddler to school, I have to pass some stroads so I take my giant pickup truck. I see a guy taking his kids on an urban arrow (not on the stroad) and I'm rooting for him. Unfortunately, without the appropriate infrastructure, I dont feel safe doing the same.
I hate driving, I hate traffic, and I know my daughter would love riding to school. Hopefully some day we can live in a world where travel is a healthy, safe, joyful activity.
Her seat is definitely not high enough, I found out from your new video :) @9:33
I love Bosch Cargo eBikes. They're just so expensive. Please can you do a review of the excellent Mycle Cargo.
Build your own dude
All power to her. We have to get out of this mindset of needing a car as soon as we leave school. I never thought about that when I did so have always cycled everywhere or used public transport. I live and work in the same town and my journey is only just over 2 miles so for me driving would be a waste of time.
I use a moscow electric mountain bike to tow a children's trailer. My grandsons love to ride in it. I can take two kids and all their kit anywhere. The Thule chariot folds up like a buggy for storage.
What a cool Grandpa you are 😎
Great job on this video. This is the way to go. I just hope mankind discovers this before it is too late.
If the cargo bike she was riding was cheap, I could understand stand why car manufacturers would be afraid of her.
At that price, no.
The irony that I get an advert for a Volvo "compact" SUV on this video 😂
Great video, nice to see mum's perspective. Wondering if a new kind of bike tracker would help people like that, i.e. one that is put well into the frame of the bike and "energy harvests" to get the power to chirp it's position if stolen. If the tracker were installed in the bottom tube that goes from front to back and "sealed in, then it would be extremely difficult to remove. A blinky LED could make it obvious to potential thieves that the bike is locked and track-able. A phone app that notifies unplanned bike movement and then tracks the bike would make it easier to nab thieves in the act. Perhaps bike insurance companies could help design/distribute and sponsor such a device...
There is already such a device, take a look at Powunity tracker
That's a great shout. There's some bike companies who have really gone in on security and tracking. It makes leaving an expensive bike just that bit easier should you need to lock it up
Great video. This is the sort of active travel promotion that really gets through to people. Normal people, no ranting. More power to your elbow making stuff like this.
my worries were leaving my electric bike. thats why i opted for the electric brompton. fold it take it with me.
I have just bought a new fat-bike and converted it and the whole thing including powertool batteries cost me just over £400.
London prices are robbery!
It's a fair bit easier when you're in a city, try this sort of change when you have long A and B roads to cover
Great video!
- US, California
In Belgium & Holland people are "Bike aware". They are not in the Uk, so accidents are more likely. Especially with dangerous scooters & scooter users.
Well done Eilis, this is just the sort of information and encouragement that people need to get stuck into alternatives, BUT £9K including bits and bobs? Madness, how can they justify such a price? A new Kia Picanto is only twice that. (My old KP is worth £2.5K, my costs are tax/ins £200/yr, and we stretch the services in conjunction with our service garage). We use this car to transport elderly friends and family to the hospital and such, so no one needs to spend £40K on a car to drive to the shops. We need to stop people from being ripped off. Another thought is that "Mum" should ALWAYS wear hi-vis when transporting a child. A grey fleece just doesn't cut it, it hides her child from the front and puts them both at risk. Hi-vis should be mandatory for all cyclists (same for helmets), drivers have to wear seat belts, we all have to contribute. Great video, more like this, but please also do some vids riding in the rain, we get a lot in the UK and people should think about it before thinking that riding is an all-year-round joy, there are different kit and skills required to do it safely. Rural dwellers need cars though, my nearest town is 12 miles away.
I agree with you on the ridiculous prices of e-bikes. It's hard justify the costs of these premium cargo and utilitarian e-bikes. You could buy a second hand Nissan Leaf that will carry 5 people plus generous cargo for a much longer range than that tern.
Even "big" name ebike manufacturers like Tern or Riese & Muller are small in overall production.
I really feel that the major car manufacturers like Ford, Volkswagen and Toyota need to just come up with half a dozen e-bike models and churn them out by the millions the same as they do for cars at half the cost all of these little e-bike manufacturers can.
Because otherwise, the Chinese are going to take over this market. And if the quality and prices are right then that's going to be a good thing.
And that bike needs to be insured so that's another additional cost. Plus there will be a a couple of hundred bucks of maintenance required every few thousand miles and probably a new motor and or battery after 10,000 miles so another £1,000+
These are real and expected expenses of running a premium ebike.
Many of the "cheap" e-bikes with unique proprietary components sold are just dumped as not worth repairing when they have problems.
Good on her! Get cars off London roads. Inspirational stuff
Every time I have to take my car somewhere I feel like it's a punishment. And I have a terrific car, so that's not the problem. Keep wishing I could take the kids around on my ebike but the infrastructure here in the US just doesn't grant that kind of confidence.
tory bike jesus
When I was in Tokyo, I saw many Japanese parents cycling their children to school.. E-bikes were everywhere 😉
I’m a big cyclist, I have 4 bikes. I cycle 300miles a month to work. I do bikepacking as well.
I would love to get rid of my car and use more public transport. But the train service in this country is awful and overpriced for the service you get compared to comparable European countries.
Trying to use the train and get your bike on as well (to enable a journey to be joined up) is very stressful and unreliable.
I’ve just done a 2 week cycle trip over the Hebrides and the hardest part of the journey was attempting to organise the train journey. It’s awful.
Next time I might use my car, I don’t want to buy this choice is being removed from me. It’s like being forced to own and use a private car.
And I’m very much pro bike and pro public transport. We really have got a long way to go to reduce or car dependence and the strongly negative way people and the media think against cyclists and other forms of transport.
My mom took me for rides on her bike when I was a baby/toddler. That most certainly is the origin of my lifelong love of cycling.
One of those bikes wouldnt last 5mins where i live (if i could afford one. Which I cant.) It would be nicked virtually instantly you took it on the road. Pity. If GB could sort out its transport policy like Hollands has done, I, and a lot more people would cycle. But not at the moment.
About to get (assuming the test ride goes well) a Babboe City-E for infant transport purposes - we're in a much smaller city, so there's a lot less general traffic but also much less of a critical mass of nonstandard bike riders. Still, got to start somewhere!
Great vid Eilis, you're becoming the "Propel" channel of the UK! Have to say well over 8 grand for an e-bike seems like a heck of a lot of money though. Such a shame even though I know you're paying for quality, I can't help thinking you could find a used car for that much. You still need a high disposable income, somewhere to store it and a dedication to the cause to get on the road with one of these. I spent £1250 on a folding e-bike in lock down and I get nervous every time I lock that up when I'm out, couldn't cope with anything more valuable 😅.
I guess eventually we might get to the stage the Dutch are at with protected bike parking, won't that be great?!
One should do the math. I live in the US and after tracking our spending we realized we could buy a brand new e cargo bike every year and it would still be cheaper that what we were paying for our minivan in fuel and insurance alone! That’s not taking depreciation in consideration. It’s an upfront cost but it’s worth it.
@@jacobpowell1882 yes, that's true enough and I made that calculation quite happily when we got our used ev. I think my brain goes: "but it's just a bike!" which is daft because I know it's more than that... especially as I'm not able to ride "just a bike" being disabled by ME/CFS and need the power assist.
Maybe we better just get saving!
Does she terrify car companies? I am all for eco travel, clean travel, and getting us all out of cars, but this headline is just false. Anyone living in London might like this, but for the rest of the world, life is just not the same. I really wish this channel would be less London centric
8 and half grand 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Highland Council are trialling three cargo bikes which I am following with interest.
Sounds like a very switched on council 😍
Well, in my country getting anywhere by bicycle is too dangerous in the big city, and countryside the targets of the travel, like work, are usually too far away to make it there by bicycle. But bicycling is still one of the most fun and most healthy activities for the free time, when You can choose the most beautiful paths, and not have to take the shortest path to some particular destination.
£8,600 is wayyyyy too much, you can get ones for like under £2,000
As someone who over the last year has had 4 bikes stolen with a value of £10,000 I am done with expensive bikes.
Three of them were stolen from my living room and apparently I was followed home and they came and stole them during the night whilst we were sleeping.
I am sure this will happen more frequently especially in a major city.
If you want a suggestion, try a EUC. There is a learning curve but the device is so small you can bring it (or hide it) anywhere.
Can someone explain how it saves her on car ownership apart from fuel? My car still needs insuring, mot, tax, servicing. I use my bike as much as possible and would love a £9k gsd but in my mind cant justify it, evan the cheaper ones. What am i missing?
good, scare them
If you get an e-bike that doesn’t die when it gets wet in the rain. Then that’s when I’ll consider buying an e-bike again. So let me know okay. See you!
I can't see the lady on the bike like that. I get pains in my knees from watching. The saddle is too low.
9k for an e-bike.. hell no. I thought 2 k was too much
but if you have a house in London able to store the bike in your hallway then you can easily afford it
These folk are loaded 😮,the companies spot a Londoner and double the prices because they know they get paid the big bucks ,its like a different planet down south. 😮🇬🇧 🌎
Pushing £9k?!
£9k will run a ULEZ compliant car for at least two or three years with all consumables and insurance.
Love cargo bikes but this is lunacy!
I noticed the editing style as changed here 👀
I also ride el.scooter for work and my awrige rides with cars has folded to 65% less i use the car . Only on biger travel and if i realy must. But i use scooter for ewry thing ewry day.
Is Electroheads an EBike Shop? Where are you located? Do you have any branches in India? Your EBike accessories are mind-blowing!
What the best e-bike under £500
I can eat 4 shredded wheat
Mycle have a great cargo bike for a reasonable price.
Good interview with someone with real life experience, even though she seems like she is comfortably well off, its not practical in London to have a heavy ebike if you have to carry it up stairs. She says she keeps it in the hallway, well if it was in a converted house with flats upstairs you cannot, because of 'fire regulations' etc, no pushchairs etc in the hallway.
I looked up the motor, its a Bosch Cargo Line, and it claims 85 Nm. Well this cannot possibly be gained from 250w motor. I don't know if brown envelopes have been passed but just have a look at the Nm of 250 motors, the legal limit in the UK
IS IT LEGAL ?
Very posh 😮
#3 make sure your in the UK
£8600 😐
Blimey, the prices are astronomical! Like £8,600 for a cargo bike! Then you quote Sadiq Khan and it all went out of the window! I love this channel, but this was a bit sugary, well off middle class biassed.
We do also make videos pressuring the London Mayor and the UK Government to make scooters (which are more affordable than e-bikes) legal. If we tried to please everybody all the time, then we'd end up pleasing nobody.
yes everyone can afford 8k lol not
Please i really want an electric scooter pleaseeee.
Rubbish clickbait description, boring presentation (tip for Electrodeads - why not simply change your name to "Ooh, aren't WE great?" 'cause that's pretty much the only thing you're saying nowadays - plenty of better reviewers online. Just sayin'.
You mean we are NOT the best reviewer in the entire world? That is huge and shocking news to all of us. We're shutting down the channel. Thanks Dave x
Herne Hill... the fancy pants middle class of South London. Classic virtue signalling
Child seat perched above a rear wheel is the worst way to carry a child. He sits very high, in case of fall the potential energy adds to the kinetic, the bike is not stable when leaning on the kickstand, the child has zero visibility and is squeezed against the parent's back. Trailers and cargo bikes are much safer, comfortable and practical.
Also, tell Lora to lift up that saddle if she wants to have working knees in ten years.
Great topic. Thank you for this important way we get a #modeshift4climate
Glad you enjoyed it!
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I love cycling, but not when its raining/snowing/too cold/too windy, or there's snow/ice on the ground ... then I will use my car.
Did someone say ROAD TAX???? 😂
I think you mean ‘vehicle excise fee’. Everybody pays for the roads mate, not just car-owners.
@@alexwilsonpottery3733 exactly. Road Tax mentioned at 5:58. Nope it's Vehicle Tax (even though it's a emissions tax and electric vehicles (and some others) are exempt from it - for now). But the most common thing I'm told is that cyclists should pay road tax. One of the many cycling bingo squares.
@@ThatBloodyCyclist As a cyclist I will pay road tax when pedestrians pay pavement tax
@@utubeape can you imagine if we had to pay Road Tax and it was based on actual road damage? We'd have to buy a century of it at a time to be able to pay in legal tender (1 pence).
My conspiracy theorist antennae are telling me that this video, and possibly this channel, are a subtle plug for 15 minute cities. Nice bike and lifestyle, though.
15 minute cities are a fantastic idea. Or as the Dutch and Danish call them, cities. What's the conspiracy theory again? Something about a Jewish cabal headed by George Soros wishing to control out lives through city planning or something.....Here's a much more realistic conspiracy. The opposition to sustainable cities is funded by the oil, car and road building multinationals.
Are vibration dampeners available for the childseats? I do think cycling can be beneficial for children's + parent's health, but watching those kids bounce over some of those bumps in the video makes me curious if the constant shocks could have a negative affect on brain health and development akin to what is being discovered about the negative effects of repeated hits in American Football (NFL), ice hockey, etc? I feel like a simple suspension system, even as simple as some rubber blocks mounted under the childseats, could help to alleviate this issue?
You’re serious? You think these kid’s brains are taking NFL impacts here?
@@tubecated_development Not all at once. Single large impacts or continual vibration over time can result in the same style of brain injury, especially when it comes to developing brains in young children.
Yea right 😂😂😂