The $19BN Plan to Save New York's Worst Airport
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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All of this with no upgrade to public transportation to the airport
Port Authority who owns the airports in NYC area makes millions off parking fees, so not in their best interest to make public transportation easier…
There's a throwaway line at 3:10 that they will improve the transit system between them (the terminals). No note about improving the Airtrain or have the subway come directly to the airport.
And even then they only talk about connecting the new terminal 1 with terminal 4, and 4 with 5, presumably behind security.
@@yuriydeethey can make much more with public transit… it’s not even close.
@@yuriydeeI feel like they’d make significantly more w public transit as most people take Taxis to jfk
Welcome to the USA, where people don't even know what decent public transportation looks like. I've heard people praise the NYC subway when to me it's *the* dirtiest and most confusing system I've ever seen.
0:11 Laguardia is like “Haha thankfully that’s no longer us” 😂
LGA is actually incredibly nice now. It's kind of stunning, ngl.
Newark is Still lousier than JFK
It’s so wild that laguardia really jumped from worst airport in america to the actually the best by quite a large margin. I look forward to going to laguardia now
@@jsickness21100% agreed!
I just flew through La Guardia today and was quite impressed, considering the 💩 🕳️ it once was
What jfk needs is better connection to the subway, not more space for cars. Car dependency causes more problems In a city as dense as NYC.
The airtrain runs like every 10 minutes and it's $9/pp to take it to the subway. It's absurd
JFK (like probably 99% of airports in the US) makes a LOT of money off parking (and rental car fees and things like taxi airport surcharges). If you could just tap in with your OMNY card and travel to JFK easily, more people would do it and hurt their revenue from those other forms of transport.
You do know people need to park there cares right? I get you wat to ban cars but don't be disingues
@@jfwfreoI just googled this and found out that both the Subway and JFK airport are owned by the city of New York.. In that case the city should try to decrease its dependency on cars because no amount of car parking will ever pay for the road network and it's maintenance..
@@AL-lh2htyou can have both fuckwit. In fact subway lines makes driving more pleasurable as majority of travellers are taken off the roads into more efficient trains.
@@AL-lh2httake a look at Singapore’s airport. It has subway lines that go directly to the terminals AND a shit load of parking space as well.
So... No improvements to the one thing everyone wanted - train access?
taxi service is a massive business for TLC (taxi and limousine commission) of New York. The airport is a major source of work for taxi drivers who pay TLC for the privilege to work the airports. train access would kill this.
@@CEOofTheHoodboohoo
@@CEOofTheHoodtaxis are the past
@@millevenon5853 one of the most common professions in NY , like it or not it’s not going away even when they have robo taxis. I’m willing to bet NY will ban them. Too many people would be unemployed.
@@CEOofTheHood sucks to suck, learn to code or something
12 hour flight + 4 hours waiting in queue for two customs officers checking papers for 300 people coming from the same flight = jfk
Truth.
had the same.. tthe facilities werent the probelm, understaffing was..
I done an international arrival ~100 times. Never waited more than 45 mins. (US passport holder with no global entry/TSA pre-check). Got loads non-US of friends and colleagues coming and going. Other than ETSA being mind-numbingly stupid, aggressive customs, and an especially grueling visa application for my wonderful Indian friends, literally never heard of a 4 hour wait in JFK customs since the 90's... maybe an odd horror story here or there. Regardless, all NYC infrastructure is outdated a bad by international standards.
Genuine question. Going out and coming in internationally , is EWR better than JFK?
@@pronobb8104 there are flights from EWR to india. just buy whatever is cheaper. that would be my suggestion.
"eco-conscious timber facade" on the multi-level carpark at an airport. nice.
that made me laugh also.
so important, they mentioned it twice!
its a facade alright!
hahahaha
Where is the laughing button?
I’d love to see LIRR trains stop directly at the airport one day instead of at Jamaica and that a tunnel would get built from Atlantic Terminal to the WTC or Fulton Street station. It would allow a one seat ride directly to Manhattan without having to go on the AirTrain
How would the LIRR trains get closer to the airport, and where would the railroad terminal be located?
@@stuartaaron613it would be more expensive but more direct if built underground most large European cities have trains that run under the airport
@@plasmaboy2265 The problem at JFK is that it is located at sea level, and thus ground water would make any underground terminal impractical.
@@stuartaaron613 oop I didn’t know that
@@stuartaaron613Ask the Dutchs. Whole landscapes in the coastal area of the Netherlands are lying under sea level.
Don't fill swimming pools with square meters. Fill them with cubic meters.
Another measurement error from The B1M.
Yes, I noticed this too.
I could understand if you just make the typo to write m² instead of m³, but he also reads aloud the script and this would normally something you would stumble on, especially if you are very specific about the number of Olympic pools, although their depth can vary between 2 and 3 m.
But maybe he already created an AI with his own voice, so less need to cut out any segments where you mispronounce words or need to cough, but on the other Hand such an AI is still to dumb to notice logical errors in a script.
Nobody likes a 'Well actually' ass person 🤓
He got his engineering degree at the Golden Corral Buffet.
Very exciting sponsor, I've been looking for a company to overhaul my billion dollar airport
Lol take it easy man 😂😂😂
Best comment 😂
😂
Still, the main problem with the airport is getting to it. It is an absolute nightmare and a waste of time, which means money.
I know. Crazy. More car parking just means more congestion on the way into the airport. JFK should have a train that takes 20 mins to Manhattan, along with a direct subway train line, just like nearly every major airport not in north America has! The current setup is crazy.
@@onlineo2263 I think is the amount of cars to the airport, not the fact cars are allowed to park.
And if you do get there parking is reserved for the very rich at $70 per day.
@@AL-lh2ht more cars allowed to park causes more cars to go to the airport because of the increased space.
@@onlineo2263 Vancouver got a train connecting to the airport 14 years ago and it has been life changing. Just over 25 mins to downtown from the airport. Hope New York gets that some day.
Does putting wood on the outside of a parking garage make it eco-friendly?
You say "Rainwater harvesting system", I hear "storm drains."
We made it out of concrete and steel like every other parking garage ... but we also cut down thousands of trees to make it eco friendly .
Makes sense to me
It’s an eco-friendly facade.
The facade itself is eco friendly. This is not that complicated.
@@AL-lh2ht How exactly is cutting down trees and putting them around a car garage friendly to the environment?
They only did it so they could call the garage "eco-friendly", but it doesn't even apply. Cutting down trees for no purpose isn't eco-friendly.
If I cut down trees and put them on my car, is it now eco-friendly? Why not cut down trees and put them all over the coal powerplants to make them eco-friendly?
I start having a feeling of absurd language from B1M. Some are really BS
bad accessibility from the city to the airport, isn't that the case for JFK, la Guardia and Newark, all important airports in and around the city all together?
It's poor enough for me to choose the taxi over any train in NYC when going to or from the airport. A direct connection from Manhattan, without the need to change the train to get to the airport, would be the standard I'd expect from a city as large and important as NYC is
while true, that's not the problem of the airport. thats a city issue. the airport is only able to do things on their property.
Newark had direct access the Penn station so it doesn't really have a connectivity issue with NYC. Which is ironic as it has the best access to Manhattan but is in NJ. LaGuardia is geographically the closest to the city and has the absolute worst access to the city. JFK has okay access as you can take the Airtrain to Jamaica and then take the subway into Manhattan.
And nobody wants to ride the train with the crazies and homeless and get mugged or whacked LMAO
LGA is the most accessible airport even without any train connecting. It takes some courage to go to JFK on a rainy day from Manhattan.@@RaitheaFilms
@@TheOtherKinemillions and millions of people ride the trains and subways everyday without any issue.
Stop watching fox
JFK Airport is not owned by New York City. It is run by the Port Authority, which is 50% owned by New York state and 50% by New Jersey.
It’s owned 50/50, but as an NJ resident, let me just say the vibes are entirely distinct
The City of NY owns the airport. PANYNJ just has a super long-term lease.
@@cykotronic Just like Newark owns the property but the Port Authority runs Newark Liberty Airport.
Fun fact: the Tappan Zee bridge was deliberately built *just* outside of the Port Authority’s jurisdiction, which is anything within a 25 mile radius of the Statue of Liberty.
@@ClockworksOfGL And then when they recently had to rebuild it NY wanted the Port Authority to pay for it. NJ said no.
Need high rail metro for direct to airport
I totally agree
And more security, the homeless are all over at night.
"But that's all about to change" must be the most used term on this channel. Along with jokes around the word "boring". :)
7:24 Eco friendly wood veneer? Little john is gonna love this. No wonder it is called John Airport!
Lots of galvanized square steel being used in this
aswell as those screws from his second aunt
@@cambirnbaum they will need a loooot of aunts 😂
Looks like I’m not the only one.😅
With the new JFK logo, I thought they were opening a new IKEA store in the airport ....
Wonder how many millions they paid for it. Maybe they used an AI. It's stunning! /s
No mention of reducing car dependency and introducing direct subway lines to the terminals = 100% FAILURE!
Did I miss it or were there zero references to the Port Authority of NY & NJ which operates JFK Airport. It is PANYNJ that is behind this project not the City of New York.
Terrible research. Also the AirTran is already running to terminal 1 again
Instead of spending the money to build more infrastructure for cars, prioritize easy access rail infrastructure to and from the airport. They’re kinda wasting money if they build that car park.
What a load of greenwash. "Eco-friendly timber fronted car park".
4:03 only corporations and governments think the use of biometrics is a good thing.
It's all about scraping data to sell
NSA loved that
Cry harder, no wonder the US is falling behind into the category of 3rd world shitholes
only uneducated and paranoid citizens like you think its a bad thing
Biometrics need to be banned! No one should be subject to that tyrannical technology.
If they actually want to save it, they need free direct busses from and to midtown.
There is the train, but a direct subway link would help.
Free direct buses to midtown Mexico? I agree…
@@raedwulf61 That would take literally decades and hundreds of billions with the way NYC's subway building works. A free bus shuttle is essentially free for the city, and if express, may even be faster.
The Taxis Lobby will never let it happen.
@@TheNoerdy Faster? The Van Wyck and the Belt are notoriously always packed 😆
I was disappointed that nothing was said about ferry terminals. Years ago, Delta rain a water shuttle to LGA. I used it often. It was such a relaxing, non-gridlocked way to get to the airport quickly. With the MTA now having taken over the river ferries and having built many docks for it, this should be on the list.
Lived there for years. They need a speedy train link to Manhattan(the city) and a LaGuardia connector. Unfortunately, there is no viable area to build a new airport. JFK has been a nightmare for decades but I’m glad they’re doing something.
Oh hey I'm working on this project. Didn't think BIM would do a video on it!
Good luck my friend 🙂
Good to hear. BTW, does "new shops, restaurants, and upgrades" at Terminal 8 mean they are removing the moving walkways to do that?
Some notes I wanted to make about your video.
1. 2:10- Not all terminals are operated by airlines- some are operated by private companies. T4 being operated by JFKIAT, T1 will be operated by NTO, T6/7 will be operated by JMP.
2. 2:23- Saying airlines can never divert to another terminal is also inaccurate since all terminals do their best to support each other in times of need. T4 accepts flights from other airlines/terminals not scheduled to be there on a regular basis. They will also accept flights on an emergency basis if necessary. The main issue is the ground handling staff may not have the necessary man power/equipment to support an operation in another terminal if they are not based out of it as it'll stretch them thin and take time for them to get there.
Seems like that barge solution could be adapted to provide a more direct and efficient means of ferrying passengers to and from locations upstate without all the transfers and hassle of NYC traffic.
Yk we could use a direct airport rail link from Grand central. No, LIRR doesn’t count cuz we have to switch to the air train 😒
And even after they do all this, the best way to get from Manhattan to JFK will still be the fixed price for a taxi. How pathetic is that? Even worse, to get from one terminal to another still requires you to go through security again. More waiting, more being treated as a presumed criminal, more wandings. The problem is not the terminals. The problem is that air travel has become a hate-filled, anger-and-anxiety-inducing experience. Why not fix that first?
Amen.
BYE FELICIA!!!! Don't come back any time soon. We won't miss you.
Sorry, we're out of tissues.
You should do a video on the Concourse D renovation at Atlanta airport. The concourse is staying open while the massive expansion sections are being built on site and moved a mile into place without effecting air and concourse traffic. It’s a fascinating process.
Did I miss it, or was there no mention of any updated rail connections to Manhattan or anywhere else for that matter?
Worst thing is getting to JFK. Belt Parkway is always stuck. Coming from NJ is a nightmare.
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And the Washington Bridge failure in RI.
I see a theme here.
Practical Engineering made a video about it. Check the channel out.
@mfaizsyahmi Yup! Also, with a collab with RoadGuyRob 👍🏾
The use of waterways for bringing in construction materials / equipment is smart. Best to avoid the Van Wyck, even if bad weather could present a problem once and awhile.
Why does it have to cost 19 billion? I bet most of that is padding wallets, and not being spent on the actual project.
When you have a separate corporation just for the Terminal 1 project (the CEO is featured in the video), you know there's a lot of overhead just for the corporate bureaucracy. As usual, shareholder value (or return on investment in general if it's not a publicly traded company) is the #1 priority.
@@fosterfuchs It's sickening. When will we overcome our selfishness? Along with other things, like malice.
@@zimmerman1031good luck!
$19 billion?! How can that even be possible? That’s the cost for the entire Victoria line in London! Or half the cost that Paris is spending on their 120miles and 68 metro expansion!
Paris is spending billions to host the summer Olympics including over a billion to clean up the polluted River Seine to use for water events so it’s all relative.
Much more expensive to build in this part of the country especially.
American ingenuity and efficiency 😂
Building on top of an active airport as busy as JFK is expensive. Everything has to be planned out and done in stages without disrupting too much traffic. Lots of people and equipment end up sitting around waiting for the right moment.
But also, it's NYC. Everything costs several times what it should.
2:09 originally had 9 disconnected terminals not 6
The new LaGuardia is amazing, one of the best airports ever to fly into. And with the 10 minute walk to the free express bus to connect with the subway, its way quicker to get to Midtown than JFK ever was. Still have to fight through an intentionally crowded shopping mall when leaving to get to my gate though.
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I thought connecting the terminals and making it easy to get in and out of was the main issue. Seems they haven’t made that the main priority.
More trains, and connect all the terminals together. ??
There were actually 9 terminals, the current Terminal 8 was built where the old #8 and #9 sat. The new Terminal 6 is replacing the old #7 and the new Terminal 1 will cover the space of old #1, #2, . I do hope they remember everything when this is completed since it should be 4 terminals, not 8 with missing numbers!
As someone that’s through JFK every couple of weeks or so it’s not really that bad. I’m usually starting/ending my journey there but a lot of JFK’s problems from a passenger perspective (except airside terminal transfer) aren’t really JFK design problems, rather just big airport problems…
For O&D passengers having 5 smaller terminals has its benefits over a smaller number of mega terminals.
I question how good this new airport will be. For example, the new Terminal 1 gets 23 gates all which can handle A380s, a plane that has been discontinued and won't be operating much past the next decade. So when it fully opens in 2030, the gates will not be at maximum capacity as the gates will service smaller planes then they can handle. The Terminals remaining after the redesign will be Terminal 1 (new), Terminal 4 (already open and finished), Terminal 5 (redesigned and expanded with 6), and Terminal 8 (redesigned, merged with Terminal 7). Four terminals in the end with 151 gates, up from 128. AirTrain will still run to all the terminals and the roads will be rerouted to make it potentially easier to get around by car as well.
There are no pure A380 gates. They might have a second floor jetway. Other aircraft can generally use the main level gates.
A very enjoyable watch as always 👍
They'll spend 19 billion yet still won't have a direct rail link to Manhattan. Ludicrous.
Great video. I think JFK needs more public transport connections.
Loved the retro photos / clips though!
It’s still a travesty they demolished the old T3, the Pan American Worldport, the place where the jet age was truly kicked off, the saucer should’ve been retained alike the TWA terminal for another use
550000m2 of concrete? That’s none then. Surely they mean m3?
Kinda like what they’re doing here at LAX. What a giant project that seems to never end.
550,000 square metres? How deep?
When volume is a measure of distance.
Flying delta out of JFK is... "Oh no, Terminal 4 gate... B53? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU"
Pretty sure you meant m³, not m² as a measuring unit of concrete.
These investment sums are crazy... Even on a per-passenger basis, $19b across 62.5m passengers is $304 per passenger in one year - or $30 per passenger on a ten-year basis.
Given the current inflation rate, a small Starbucks coffee will probably cost $30 in the new terminals.
It was originally named New York International Airport as shown in the visual but was commonly called Idlewild due to that being the name of its location.
Should be called, Marilyn Monroe Airport. At least she lived here! Kennedy was a bum and only cheated on Jackie here!!
It's about time JFK gets a massive upgrade. The Port Authority just opened a brand new Terminal A for us at Newark Airport and it was well-overdue for a replacement! Now its time for all 3 airports to be completely modernized and not stuck in the 1980s anymore!
Ah yes, biometrics "for a seamless experience." When something is free, you are the product. Count me out.
This is already commonplace everywhere else in the world. In Singapore we don’t even have customs officers anymore. It’s all automated if you have an e-Passport.
I've always been a fan of LaGuardia because I was once a broke college student and you can easily just walk into the airport or take the Q70 for free to get to other transit links. No need to pay for a taxi or train ticket like you need to get to JFK.
Now will they also build a train from laguardia to JFK
the only thing anyone of us should be doing is watching this B1M video right now
What?
I’m happy it’s having a renovation I’ve flown their since I was little and the Renovation which I’ve seen some already and it’s looking great for terminal 5/6 and terminal 1 as well. T2 had to go and T4’s extension on the A Concorde needed some more
I’m a simple man, I see a new video from the B1M, I watch.
So you like advertising videos for construction projects where they literally use footage from the PR videos? Unoriginal narration of press releases using PR footage.
Parking garages are dinosaurs. At LAX, SFO and SJC International airports less than half of the garage is full on any given day. It would be better to focus on larger pickup and dropoff areas or connections to transit.
So that’s where all NYC money is going 😂😅
But what’s happening to the famous TWA Terminal, now hotel?
@5.55 lol that there's no covering between the EV charging and the terminal walkway. Just what you want in New York weather!
Fun fact, Idlewild was originally designed as a military airport. Jay Downer was the civil engineer. As an aside, JD also designed the Bronx Parkway, which inspired the Autobahn and ultimately the Interstate Highway system. I never met JD, but inherited is signet ring. Thanks for the update!
Now that La Guardia is soo good, JFK has a lot of catching up to do
*1) They need GREAT DESIGNS. (Presently it’s underwhelming)*
*2) They need to SIMPLIFY the whole thing (and consider it holistically - - regardless of the cost)*
The footage at 2:51 appears to be from Washington Dulles.
First sentence correction: "New York *WAS* renown as a 'world class' city.
yeah, NYC still stuck in the 20th century, like most of the US
what are you on about?
It is at the top of the world's financial node along with London till this day, so it is.
First comment correction: New York City IS renowned as a world closer city
But can you change terminals without having to go through security again?
love your content!
Should be plenty of cheap local labor, bus loads of migrants showing up everyday
Everyone in America is an immigrant
😂😂😂 sorry I didn’t differentiate, should be plenty of illegal, undocumented, FELONIOUS immigrants showing up everyday, taking jobs from tax paying true AMERICANS being shipped into that city to perform cheap local labor at a lower standard expected by the average American law abiding citizen… very easy to DIFFERENTIATE an immigrant from a citizen…
@@drust.patrick2027only the natives here are non immigrants, I’m 100% pro immigration, I’m a 3rd gen immigrant LEGALLY may I state
Yup, as I thought my comments have been silenced… they never let me speak my part…
@@211986michaelwhat the hell are you taking about? I see your comment just fine
Will never fly through this airport again. You have to leave security zone to transfer terminals. Not great if you have a tight connection.
I don't see how a Country Trillions of $ in debt can find some $19bn to carry out this infrastructure. Then you have all these reports saying NY could be under water by 2050 where the Airport is right next to water ways!
NY is sinking and nothing to do with the fake climate change/Global Warming, which he never fails to mention, normally.
Because a nation’s debt isn’t like your credit card debt and the country isn’t broke. That’s just what politicians say so you’re willing to tighten your belt while they transfer more money to the top for it to “trickle down.”
@@Danimalpm1 Are you kidding me? We pay through our taxes over £80 billion a year and counting upwards, in interest on the nations debt. Imagine what the country could do with that money
@@martin4787 That’s less than the $100B/yr. Trump’s 2017 corporate tax cuts have added to the national debt.
@@Danimalpm1 And Trump increased the total tax take. High taxes drives down the economy.
Thank you!!!!😊
I traveled to the area for the first time in my life recently. A few people on the street made passing marks about how it was luck we flew into Newark.
it still will take 2h from the city to the airport by train, what is unacceptable imo!!
I don't think this project should be such a high priority. JFK's terminals aren't too shabby, the runways are already near capacity without space for further expansion, and this will just incentivize the airport to schedule more flights than it can reasonably handle.
Newark should be a higher priority for a megaproject, since it actually has a path to increase its capacity, and the solution needs a lot of investment to work. If EWR reconstructed its terminals mid-field, they could squeeze in a 3rd, independently operated parallel runway (greater than 1310 meter separation) that would increase overall flight capacity by up to 70%.
By going with a terminal layout similar to Charles De Gaulle's Terminal 2E, the reconstructed EWR could go with a design that combines the efficiency of the concourse layout with the convenience of the pier layout. This would also leave space for US Route 9 and an air train to be rerouted directly through the terminals, allowing for better traffic flow, and a zero-transfer connection to Penn Station.
Terminal 6 construction isn’t for other airlines is solely for JetBlue’s new international routes to eruope(London, Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, Edinburgh) and hopefully more, the Caribbean and Latin America. It will help terminal 5 stay as a domestic terminal for JetBlue routes across America
Also, 8 dollar transfer from airtrain to long island railroad
Soon=10+ years. Solar in NYC...where the sun always shines.
All nice and stuff, but what is and will be missing: Good Public Transport. 20 km (13 mi) between JFK and Manhattan and it still takes an hour by AirTrain + MTA. It won't need crazy high-tech solutions like a Maglev or Hyper Loop. Standard rail with 160 km/h (100 mph), a limited number of stops (e.g. Broadway Junction + Atlantic Av/Barclays Ctr) and it should be easily done in 20-30 min.
Or just reactivate the old _Rockaway Beach Branch_ between LIRR and Howard Beach, a cut-and-cover tunnel parallel to RWY 13R/31L, arriving between T1 and T4, done.
Have I said how much I really like this channel; not to mention the host. He's F'ing awesome!
Judging by how successful LGAs renovation has been, I can actually say that I have faith for this to turn out well, if not for the fact that it will probably be delayed
PAN-AM had the best terminal, now demolished.
I flew into JFK last year. Never again! It took us 3 hours to get through customs. It's the worst airport in western civilization!
A major thing the Port Authority should consider making more affordable parking spaces available. Most drivers choose to hang around or idle right by the terminals o nearby to avoid paying for parking at the airport, thus creating traffic jams. They should also have affordable long term parking available right by the terminals.
I LOVE JFK. TWA Hotel is very cool. And T4 is arguably their best terminal - well laid out, nice amenities, awesome for people watching. And with LIRR connected to Grand Central, getting there by rail is simpler and faster now.
Glad to hear about the carbon footprint aspect related to the concrete. It should be part of everyday conversations.
*NOTHING. Absolutely Nothing will get me to go back there. NOPE!*
They way you annunciate billion is so funny. You don’t need to say it that way
Wasn’t Parsons was one of the major firms building Boston’s Big Dig?
Expanding the capacity of JFK is a good thing, but getting to JFK from the city and surrounding counties is already a nightmare. As you approach JFK from any direction, expect to spend 30 min stuck in traffic once you get within 10 miles. Its particularly frustrating (and expensive) if you are in a taxi with the meter running.
Your videos are always amazing! So much great information and photography of remarkable construction around the world! Thank you!!! I know it's not new construction, still, at least a word about Eero Saarinen's Terminal 5 would have been nice.
Wait. JFK just went through a giant renovation. Another one??
The previous projects focused on different terminals. Mainly 4 and 8. Now they're working on 1 and 5/6.
@@fosterfuchs Thanks.
I've completed contracts under Port Authority. They make everything as difficult as possible. Then try to reclaim as much money as possible after completion. Everyone knows when they put work out for bid , to put a high number on it because of their MO.
geez even Dulles now has direct subway service to the city and that is even more in the middle of nowhere.