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I can't believe how no one in Boston gets this. Imagine the owner and head coach in Kansas City telling Mahomes "We've Had Enough of You, it's Time For You to Go". WHAT? That's exactly what Bill Belichick and by extension, Robert Kraft effectively told Tom Brady. If there was ever a player who deserved to play out his last days with the team he took to NINE SUPER BOWLS and SIX SUPER BOWL TITLES - IT'S TOM FREAK'N BRADY. HOLY CRAP. The Patriots won the super Bowl in 2018 when Brady had one year left on his contract. And Belichick treats him like he's nickle back who's lost a step. NOPE - "that guy's too old and has to go" REALLY? Yes Bill - your quarterback is in fact different than just about anyone else on your team. He is the MAIN REASON YOU WENT TO NINE SUPERBOWLS. No one else on that team had a bigger impact on the success YOU ENJOYED as a head coach . . NO ONE. You don't kick that guy to the curb when he just one another title LAST YEAR! HOLY SHIT. And Kraft sits there and Let's his dumbass head coach do it to him. Hey Bill - how many games have you one since you couldn't stand having Brady around anymore? Holy crap people. This whole story is about how a head coach can so easily lose sight of what made him and his team so successful for so long. Just amazing.
Omg this. This is it. You spoke words as if they came right from my own soul. This shit is why I’m still pissed!
@richfix4190 This a great comment sir. Well written. You hit the bullseye.
Perfect.
And it wasn't just Brady's on the field skills, it was his leadership in the locker room. As has been said by players they worked for Bill, they played for Tom. In essence Tom was the Coach of that team and Bill, was as said, the "strategist".
Plus, can you imagine ANDY REID behaving like that? There's not a single player of Andy's - past or present - who doesn't love the guy. Even Julian Edelman's "funny" Bill Belichick stories make you think, "wow, what an a-hole".
Patrick Mahomes wasn’t 37 and if you watched the games, you would have seen a bit of a decline in Brady’s play. Did you not turn on the Television during those years? “ Tom Brady is done”. All I remember is ESPN saying he was washed up around 2012,2013 etc.
TB 12 was always a leader though so I can’t completely disagree with you. Bill would always drop a player a year too soon rather that a year too late.
Malcolm played like 98% of the defensive snaps that year
This was intentional by Belichick as payback against TB12 and Robert Kraft for trading Jimmy G.
Bill ego got in the way. There was no rift between Butler and Matt P.
This was so sinister and personal on part of Bill. He made sure that TB12 would not win that superbowl. He wanted Brady to go that bad, but Kraft overruled him, and Jimmy G was traded.
There is no explanation for sitting one of your best players on defense in a game of that magnitude. None.
Malcolm Butler has not come out publicly and revealed the reason. If you felt you were wronged publicly, wouldn't you want to set the record straight? He hasn't done this. The only reason I can think of for not doing so is that the reason he was benched is because he did something he is embarrassed about and would prefer the public not to know.
I agree.
Malcolm Butler benching still eats me alive to this day. It was the beginning of the end of Bill Belichick as "doing the best for the team" that continued to his firing.
Hurts my sole made those trash ass receivers on eagles look like god with foles smh
This was intentional by Belichick as payback against TB12 and Robert Kraft for trading Jimmy G.
Bill ego got in the way. There was no rift between Butler and Matt P
@@jimmiesmith5590 Totally Agree. His Narcissistic ways were becoming more prevalent than before for sure! Watching that game was like seeing a Fix, in real time. Sucked!
@@scottsuvoski9574 💯
If Buttler played we would have won 💯 believe in that 1000%
I am shocked and amazed that the Butler controversy has never been unpacked. Usually with things like this you can just give it time.. Butler didn't say anything (at the time) b/c he was smart, he was still playing. But 7 yrs later, we know nothing more than we did on the eve of the Super Bowl.
If you punch the coaches son that usually gets you benched.
@@RetroKong77is that why he got benched in the SB!? I'm just a curious Pats fan just looking for rationale
*What Black people dont understand. Steppin an fetching for Massa doesnt pay in the long run.*
- He was soooooo proud of himself denying Seahawks a Superbowl, he didnt understand who Bill Belichick is.
- I grew up as a ballboy, when Bill Belichick cut Tiquan Underwood Saturday night before the 2012 Superbowl.
- What was Underwoods offense? He fullfilled his childhood dream of inviting his family to the Superbowl.
- Bill Belichick didnt like 3rd stringers inviting they family to the Superbowl and giving them stadium tickets.
@@randymoss815if you look at it this way it would of been butlers 3rd superbowl I believe he didn't play much against the seahawks until the end of the game obviously so bill benches him in one of the biggest games of his life yet butler came back sat down with bill and agreed to a contract with him. If I was butler and bill benched me when I had no wrong doing I'd never be OK with playing for him again
Patriot players have told several stories about why that happened and teddy bruschi said something about it as well.
So earlier in that season belichek was secretly trying to trade Brady somewhere and someone in the front office gave Tom Brady the heads up about belichek trying to trade him. Brady called Robert Kraft and said "bills trying to trade me" and kraft didn't know about it because he gave Bill total and complete control of the front office. Kraft personally stepped in and called off the trade. Bill was pissed.
So instead Bill trades Jimmy garoppolo to San Francisco for like a 2nd rd pick. San Francisco was willing to give up a first rd pick for him but Bill said he only wanted a 2nd rd pick. Belichek was mad that Kraft stepped in and called off the trade so he threw the superbowl in a very subtle way by holding out one of their best defenders.
Also thatvwas Malcolm butler contract season and Bill was going to offer him a lowball contract to stay. He was pretty much trying to keep Malcolm's market low so other teams wouldn't offer him something huge that the patriots would either have to match or end up losing him.
JulianEdelman, bruschi, and somebody else talked about it separate times on different podcasts but all the stories line up with what was happening that season.
Kraft said Bill made a huge error. He let personal feelings overrule team loyalty and I'm going to keep an eye on him. Get it?
I think you guys are on point with your take. Fans don't understand this is not your grandfather's football and the way you treat and manage players has changed. I’m a Pittsburgh Steeler fan and sometimes I don't feel Mike Tomlin is the greatest X&O coach but see his greatness is his management of people. Fans underestimate the importance of that skill. The coach that knows X&O and can manage people is priceless.
In 2021 they said he had a argument with Matt Patricia that led to the benching.
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If that's the reason, it's a f*cking dumb reason to bench someone. You are allowed to argue with people if it's a valid argument. If higher ups don't tolerate people arguing or questioning them, it's called a dictatorship, which is what Belichick is.
Don't miss bill one bit. It's actually a breath of fresh air to be able to engage with the team for the first time in 24 years.
Yeah. Good luck.
You’ll be drafting top 10 the next 10 years
@@Jimmyd134 So like they were drafting with Belichick as there head coach this season? 32 teams just decided there HC is better then Bill this off season it’s over for Billy boy he’s been exposed should take a DC position because that’s all he’s qualified for
Like I always said engagement>championships
Cheating=championships
Outside of the whole Brady debate… the documentary really was an eye opener into how some of the most loyal players in the dressing room felt about the Trump situation… Watching Devin McCourty and Matthew Slater talk about how they felt bamboozled by Bill not allowing them to share any political opinions, whilst endorsing a political candidate himself, did not reflect well on Belicheck at all… Meanwhile in real time then, all we ever kept hearing about was Brady catching flak from every corner for the hat in his locker
This I remember Shannon Sharpe and Skip Bayless going in on Brady about this for weeks but never brought Bill or Kraft part of it
That nba on nbc hat goes hard!🔥🔥
I will NEVER forgive Belichick for benching Butler.
If butler wanted to play for bill a couple years later how did he do nothing wrong? If I got benched in one of the biggest games of my life for nothing I'd never forgive that coach
Me too ...
Telling (often Black) players not to speak or share their opinions - political or otherwise - and then sucking up to Trump. Ugh. There's a reason I've always detested Belichick, and I'm glad he finds himself unemployable with a rapidly dimishing legacy.
Ahhh there’s the race card I was looking for
@@kaekae1782 Why? Because you plan on voting for an insurrectionist, like the rest of the pond life?
@@kaekae1782you take more offense to someone talking about a racial situation more than the action 🫡💯✌🏾
@kwoylee5617 brady and kraft are friendly with trump as well.
nobody cares about your politics. I’m black and idc about who you’re voting for. You don’t have to pull out the race card in every scenario in the world. Racism isn’t the end all be all to everything you believe is an injustice.
Malcolm Butler has a best selling book on his hands when ever he's ready to write it. It will sell out as a best seller if he wrote this book. Just on his benching in the SB. Don't go on a podcast to tell this story. Write the book. Unless it's Club Shay Shay and you get a cut of the interview.
Philly Fan here. I have to admit similar to how he sniffed out the Seattle pass and played dumb until it was in the air, he would have waited for Foles to make his move to the end zone to shadow him to disrupt the Philly Special play. Negating that play would have turned the momentum over to The-Pats big time.
But Belicheat thought he knew best in benching him.
That play was specifically practiced over and over again leading up to the seahawks superbowl every corner got multiple reps as that specific corner for that play. Funny enough though they never thought about Philly running a play brady ran against them previously in the Philly special I'm not sure if it was the same year or not but brady got like 40 yards on the play
Butler "sniffed out" nothing. Brandon Browner had been on the Seahawks the year before and saw the play developing. Browner told Butler to go for the ball while he blocked Jermaine Kearse.
Eagles would have won regardless. Wtf u talking about
Why is it 9 out of 10 Philly fans are child molesters and the 10th one is a liar?
Butler snuck a girl into the hotel, steve belichick confronted him, they started screaming at each other, butler told him to go f himself said the only readon you have a job is because of your daddy, and talked shit bout his haircut, i heard this from a girl that dated a patriot player
You are 100% wrong with your fantasies.
This was Bill internationally sabotaging a SUPERBOWL because Kraft overruled him and traded Jimmy G, rather than allowing Bill to trade TB12.
It was payback against TB12 and Robert Kraft.
The reality of it all is the age of this type of coach is over. You can’t just come in, bark a bunch of orders then go home. You gotta be personable to be a leader of men these days. Those who can’t adjust will be left in the 2010’s
Yeah, basically. You can go way back to around 2010 or so when the main group of Millennials started getting drafted and Belichick whiffing hard on draft picks. He just couldn't communicate with people born in the 90s and beyond, and even worse he couldn't even be bothered to try.
You guys are about to really find out what it’s like to be a normal nfl team. All this bitching over bill not winning 7 Super Bowls when he got 6? Boy your about to really suffer
@@JJJJ-he8bzyeah. I agree. Why can’t people understand just how incredible Bill was. It’s weird how spoiled these dudes were.
@@JJJJ-he8bzPatriots found out what’s it’s like to be a below average team the second Brady walked out the door has nothing to do with Bill did you watch the last 4 NFL seasons?
@@davis2k1234 Does Brady play offense defense and special teams? If he’s soooooo important then maybe he should have played defensive back and won the game his god Danm self. Dude was 18 touchdowns and 12 picks in 2001 and had less than 200 yards passing against the rams and you trying to say he the only reason they won? Get the hell out of here😂
Halfway through the 2017 season the 49ers approached Belechick about acquiring Jimmy Garappolo. Belechick said no but offered Tom Brady instead. The 49ers said yes. Then Robert Kraft found out and actually overrode Belechick’s decision, kept Brady and gave Garappolo to the 49ers. Belechick was so pissed off that as the Patriots were headed out to play the Eagles in that year’s Super Bowl, he told Butler that he wasn’t playing. Belechick then let Matt Patricia run the game and sat down and did nothing. I remember Brady walking back and forth in front of Belechick sitting on the bench and looking at him with disbelief. Belechick threw that game to make a point to Rob Kraft. In my opinion, the Patriots should have had at least two more Super Bowl victories to their tally. But Belechick’s ego was the reason why Butler was benched that day. The same ego that sent Brady out of New England by the back door after giving the Patriots the best ride of their lives for 20 years. The same ego that pretty much single handedly demolished an NFL superbowl franchise.
Yeah, I think Bill Belichick's iron fist way of coaching is not going to cut it any longer.
and old and grumpy and nasty to press...walk away grandad
Belichick always preached "do your job" and held everyone accountable yet he didn't think he owed his team an explanation as to why a 3 year starter didn't play a single defensive snap in the fricken Superbowl. Brian hoyer said butler practiced all week with first team defense so what happened basically overnight? In my mind there is no way butler being on the sidelines in tears didn't effect the entire defense if not the team. Especially the secondary when players like mccourty and harmon knew what butler could do, knew his tendencies and so on, knew he was going to do his job so I'm sure they were in their heads all game knowing they had to help out that side more or whatever. Couldn't of been that bad if butler still played on special teams and Belichick brought butler back a few years later. Does anyone really think in 2008-2010 Belichick would of hired Romeo Cornell to coach the offense? Bills ego got out of control and he thought his system could win with any cigs, loosing sight of the fact of having the ultimate QB for his coaching style, the QB who could take the abuse (players words) , take less money and stay motivated to prove everyone wrong. And I'm sick of hearing about that rams sb like belichecks mona Lisa , Sean mcvay was in awe of bill and Jared Goff was basically pissing down his leg. And even with all that the biggest play to seal the win still came down to Brady to gronk. Two players Belichick wanted to move on from earlier. Yah gronk was a goof ball but always showed up in crunch time, never got into trouble, always put team and football first and did whatever was asked of him, was basically an extra offensive lineman for that 2018 season. And bill rewards him by trading him to Matt Patricias dumpster fire lions. Luckily gronk said "trade me and I retire" was so close to the end gronk went and played two very good seasons in tampa. Even played 16 games that first year. And didn't have the giant elbow pads and braces. Certain players on gronks level can afford to take a practice off and deliver on game day. Even after all this time , a 4 win season and being fired bill still can't admit he was wrong about Brady. After having a front row seat to the guy defying odds for years. Aside from 2007 age 37-43/44 was the best version of Brady in my opinion. A while Jimmy glass can't finish a 4 game stint while Bradys suspended , couldn't finish the season when starting it as a backup and on and on. The worse part is there are a lot of fans who still worship Belichick, think it was all Kraft's fault for some reason. For the record I have NOT watched a single episode of the dynasty, this has always been my opinion, yes Belichick is a great defensive coach but without Brady it never worked. Belichick had no problem paying the Steph gilmores, or donte hightowers, (loved them both as players ) but when it came to the other side of the ball wasn't willing to give Chris Hogan $1 mill a year, or consistently asking offensive players to restructure their deal, a deal Belichick made. Majority of edelmans career he was severely underpaid. All while bill was by far the highest paid coach in the NFL. By FAR! There is a difference between being coaches hard and just being a straight up jerk. Did the players get to call out bill in the film study when butler was on the bench and nick foles was looking like Payton Manning against bill defense? I could go on and on cause I'm old enough to remember Boston / NE sports before 2001, it was disappointment to say the least and I grew up hearing about the curse of the bambino well ill be telling my kids about the Brady curse, how we had the Greatest QB ever (and tightened ) and a 17/18 year run of dominance/glory and some crusty, crabby, stuck in his ways old coach who couldn't change with the times and threw it away. Pure example, bill wanted to trade gronk and then was surprised when he retires and yet had no plan, brought in a 38/39 yr old tightened in Watson. So at 38/39 a QB is past his prime but a tightened isn't bill? I mean Watson was fricken retired . And then Brady leaves and uh well cam newton is cheap, well take him. Why so eager to get rid of a player when there is nothing to replace them?
Long time Pats fan here. There were rumors in New England at the time of that Super Bowl that Butler was late getting back to the team hotel the night before the Super Bowl, that he may have been out partying and got back late. Just some talk around Boston, could be BS, or part of the truth., No one knows for sure.
Wow - so well said - you are right on. You don't throw the quarterback who took you to NINE SUPER BOWLS to the curb. HE RETIRES A PATRIOT. If you can't do that for Brady - who could you ever do it for? Why do we play these games? FOR THE FANS BILL!!!!!!! You know - the people who fill the stadium! How incredibly short sighted and just plain stupid.
@@dathorndike4908 that was debunked. Also rumors he was at a concert, he got into it with Matt Patricia and hit him and on and on. I also live in new England (Maine) and listen to weei everyday / all-day while working so heard all the rumors. Either way bill let the team down that game and cost them a Superbowl.
EQ is just as important as IQ, no matter what job you're talking about. Michael Holley has been drinking the Boston Kool-Aid too long. It's no accident that when Brady left, the team started going downhill. It's not because of Brady's talent but because Brady bought into the authoritarianism of Belichick and the players followed that theme. When Brady left the glue came undone and the warts were laid bare for all to see.
Reminds me of Popovich coaching Duncan harder than anyone else and him allowing it.....Once they lost these types and now have to deal with these new-age sensitive players their coaching careers suddenly went downhill!
@@RolandBullock-ej8wlplayers make plays….it will never change lol
Facts
100%
*What Black people dont understand. Steppin an fetching for Massa doesnt pay in the long run.*
- He was soooooo proud of himself denying Seahawks a Superbowl, he didnt understand who Bill Belichick is.
- I grew up as a ballboy, when Bill Belichick cut Tiquan Underwood Saturday night before the 2012 Superbowl.
- What was Underwoods offense? He fullfilled his childhood dream of inviting his family to the Superbowl.
- Bill Belichick didnt like 3rd stringers inviting they family to the Superbowl and giving them stadium tickets.
Hey Man, You Guys Don’t Know What Bill Did !!!!!!!! This Was A Big Fuck To Robert Kraft & Tom Brady For Making Him Trade Away Jimmy G !!!! So Bill Throw The Game !!!!!! As Long As Brady Keep Winning Super Bowls Kraft Wasn’t Going to Let Brady Go!!!!So Bill Then Start Drafting Shirty Players to Put Around Brady!!! So He Could Prove To Kraft How Brady Was Washed Up & Let Him Go !!!!!!!
No way. He covered butlers ass and took blame
I still think most people have it wrong. As the dynasty documentary (and even more so the dynasty book) makes clear, it was always personal with Belichick in that it was always about control. Spygate for him was all about weaseling out of it and Kraft went to bat for him at the expense of the team’s reputation. He recruited Aaron Hernandez on the cheap even though he was warned against it and then gave him special treatment, something that he supposedly never did, to the point that other players, noticed it and resented it. But then when Hernandez wanted a trade to get away from the people who were going to screw up his life, Belichick refused. Instead of quite rightly, fighting deflategate as a total manufactured scandal cooked up by the ravens, and carried out by the Colts, he threw Brady under the bus. From 2014 on, he tried to get rid of Brady, even though evidence suggested that Brady was as good as ever. He brought in Jimmy G and again gave him preferential treatment. the Trump letter was another example of Belichick violating his own rules and alienated his own players not only for no benefit but to the detriment of the team. I actually think the Malcolm Butler benching had more to do with Belichick trying to teach certain people on his team a lesson, than with anything Butler did or said. I mean, what was that weird attempt by NE to do a response Philly Special in SB 52? He spent 80% of his top draft picks on defensive players. Even Randy Moss, the one superstar, wide receiver, Brady had chance to work with, was acquired on the cheap, because he was supposedly “washed.” The entire team, but especially Brady, famously took pay cuts for the team, but then when Brady left and won a Super Bowl, Belichick blamed Brady for “leaving the cupboard bare.” As hard as it is to believe, the Patriots could have been even more dominant if Belichick had not so often, unconsciously or not, sabotaged himself and them.
Eugene Robinson still played after getting arrested as well!!! 🏉
Too many people get caught in the emotion of Malcolm Butler.
Butler's first year as a start in the NFL he finished the year ranked 12th out of 64 starting DBs.
The year the Patriots lost to the Eagles he finished 48th out of 64 starting DBs. He also threatened to not give his best in the Super Bowl if they didn't give him the contract he wanted. That story was ALWAYS there but no one wanted to report it.
Butler's first year with the Titans he finished 64 out of 64 starting DBs.
Love or hate Bill, the reason players NEVER talk crap about him is because EVEN when the player is in the wrong Bill doesn't say a damn thing. Bill shoots from the hip. The players know where they stand with him. They may not like it but they respect it because he doesn't throw them under the bus or air dirty laundry.
Butler instagramed pics of him and Steve Belechics wife partying the night before the SB...
This makes sense as I always thought it revolved around his son who was the db coach. It also gives credence to Malcolm butler still being incredulous over why he didn’t play.
This was intentional by Belichick as payback against TB12 and Robert Kraft for trading Jimmy G.
Bill ego got in the way. There was no rift between Butler and Matt P.
This was so sinister and personal on part of Bill. He made sure that TB12 would not win that superbowl. He wanted Brady to go that bad, but Kraft overruled him, and Jimmy G was traded.
There is no explanation for sitting one of your best players on defense in a game of that magnitude. None.
Why Brady just ain’t win it since he was the most important part??
They don’t want to talk about that lol
Because defense wins championships smh
Brady did lead an offense to scoring 33 points. For most superbowls thats more than enough to win. And it was the vaunted Belichek defense that couldnt stop a nosebleed that day, apparently because he put his own ego before the team.
No one thinks Brady was everything but i think people appreciate the intangibles he contributed more with each passing year; it seems Belichek thought he was everything though and thought he was above the kind of accountability he demanded of those beneath him.
@@mikhailbullard3874 Malcolm Butler wasn't stopping anyone, either. We aren't talking about a hall of fame player. At his best, he was okay. Okay wasn't slowing the Eagles down in that game.
@@Hemingway-dq4fxYeah people commenting this shit didn’t watch the Eagles we’re killing them if Malcolm butler plays he gets cooked if he plays well they just picked on someone else
Belichick is human like us all. It's never all business and never personal.
Very astute observation of which I concur wholeheartedly.
Wasn’t Butler’s contract up? Maybe he said no to Bills offer of a team friendly contract. Bill got upset and didn’t want to let Butler showcase his talent.
No. He had one year left on the deal.
I really do believe that the game has passed Billy B. by...
Something Smith said about fit and culture took me back. As a long time Falcons ticket holder I thought maybe a smarter BB coming in with winning pedigree and Josh McDaniels offensive scheme would work well. But this took me back to Bobby Petrino who many blame his failure on the Vick fiasco. But it was bigger than that and he didn’t fit culturally. I believe that’s something Rich McKay thought about with Arthur Blank and the possible pursuit of BB. Maybe in New England that worked while 12 and McDaniels had the offense clicking but may have been disruptive in Flowery Branch🏈
Here's what I think: I think Bill has ALWAYS held grudges et al. But I think his all-consuming passion for winning was always even greater and took precedence. Until the past several years. Bill got more and more comfortable with his accomplishments and legacy, more and more convinced every decision he made was correct (and surrounded by fewer and fewer assertive and talented assistants who might push back). I think this is obvious when you look at more and more of his decisions since, oh, 2016. I've said this for three years now: Bill IS comfortable with his legacy (Greg Bedard even invoked the Seinfeld suit of velvet). Entirely. Michael Smith is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT in his assumptions re: why Bill wouldn't be hired. I LOVE the "shock" that no one wants to hire a 70+ super-set-in-his-ways guy who's had absolute control, not been successful lately and probably wants $20M a season to coach for what, three years? Yes, shocking indeed.
The reason Butler was scratched from the Super Bowl is the night before Butler farted on Belichick's pillow causing Bill to get Pink Eye.
Bill got in the way of winning a superbowl with Butler,the same way Bruce Arians got in the way of winning a Super Bowl in Tampa by not biting his tongue with Antonio Brown knowing they really needed him for just two more games,no wonder Brady was pissed off.
Patriot players have told several stories at different times about why that happened and teddy bruschi said something about it as well.
So earlier in that season belichek was secretly trying to trade Brady somewhere and someone in the front office gave Tom Brady the heads up about belichek trying to trade him. Brady called Robert Kraft and said "bills trying to trade me" and kraft didn't know about it because he gave Bill total and complete control of the front office. Kraft personally stepped in and called off the trade. Bill was pissed.
So instead Bill trades Jimmy garoppolo to San Francisco for like a 2nd rd pick. San Francisco was willing to give up a first rd pick for him but Bill said he only wanted a 2nd rd pick. Belichek was mad that Kraft stepped in and called off the trade so he threw the superbowl in a very subtle way by holding out one of their best defenders.
Also thatvwas Malcolm butler contract season and Bill was going to offer him a lowball contract to stay. He was pretty much trying to keep Malcolm's market low so other teams wouldn't offer him something huge that the patriots would either have to match or end up losing him.
JulianEdelman, bruschi, and somebody else talked about it separate times on different podcasts but all the stories line up with what was happening that season.
If it was work then professional. If personal willful negligence.
Wtf was the point of all this when the MB story still isn't clarified?
For a long time, I thought the reason Malcolm was held out of the game was because he significantly injured himself with a NFI the night before, and because he was an impending free agent, Bill decided to take the heat and look like the bad guy as a thank you to Malcolm so that he could get his money. There's probably some chance that admitting to not disclosing the injury would subject the team to discipline or subject Butler to being sued by Tennessee after they paid him. The doc is the first opportunity they had to change the narrative and they didn't do it, and I'm wondering if it's a work, and by keeping a salacious lie going it distracts from what actually happened.
Bill was a players guy. He prolly had his back
@@BrascobadboyThere's def a history of players getting injured leading up to the SB that the teams hide for a competitive advantage.
This how us Cowboys fans feel about Jerry Jones about how he did Jimmy Johnson dirty when Jimmy eventually left. We could have won more Super Bowls in the 90s the way the Patriots wons their Super Bowls in the 2000s and 2010s. Freakin' Jerry man...smh!
Butler was more focused on getting a big contract after the season because he was going to be a Free Agent. Word has it he was already saying his goodbyes BEFORE the game. This told Bill that Butler was a player who was not "All In" for the game. Want him making a "Business Decision" out there on the field, play it safe and avoid injury? Bill kept him on the bench for this reason
This probably makes sense but if Butler played terrible or was seen dogging it on the field it would have showed on video. In the end Bill made a calculated decision and lost. Could Butler have helped? We have no clue.
@@jasonl7937 Butler didn't play yo, There's no film to review
The way Nick Foles was playing in the playoffs that year there wasn’t one single New England Patriots player that was going to stop Nick Foles. He was fueled by all the doubt and disrespect from the sports media world because everyone said the Eagles season was lost because Carson Wentz tore his ACL and MCL in LA week 12 the fact that this Malcolm Butler story is still being talked about today is astounding to me. Brady could’ve threw for 600 yards, but Nick Foles had an answer every single time he got the ball. I hate that people try to diminish the victory that the Philadelphia Eagles held February 4, 2018 at 41 to 33 victory was earned and not one benching not one call other than maybe the Philly special would’ve change that game good day.
Nobody cares Bill has 6 SB's as a Head Coach and still going into the Hall of Fame.
Maybe let your guest talk instead of talking over them for the first 5 minutes. Damn
Maybe it was the right thing to do in the long term, maybe not necessarily in the short- or medium-term. That's the nuance that you're missing here!
The Malcolm benching was seven years ago but then he forces out Tom hires Patricia and Judge then iced out Mac Jones all with a losing record. Bill needs to check himself
Bill: "whatever I do IS best for the team"
It was Lurie’s turn
Heard Stephen and Malcolm got into it at practice and it got really heated
This was all about ego for Bill. Call it what it is.
Butler or no Butler it was Phillys night
I need that hat
Malcom was out that week and took a picture with Stephen Belichiks wife that she posted on instagram. Make of that what you will
When Butler was benched that week, someone in the media said there was a blow up between Stephen and Malcom that’s why Bill benched him for the Super Bowl. I always thought it was personal.
Man I want receipts! Lol
@@dekunutsocarina Malcolm Butler punched Steve, so that meant he wasn't going to get to play.
*What Black people dont understand. Steppin an fetching for Massa doesnt pay in the long run.*
- He was soooooo proud of himself denying Seahawks a Superbowl, he didnt understand who Bill Belichick is.
- I grew up as a ballboy, when Bill Belichick cut Tiquan Underwood Saturday night before the 2012 Superbowl.
- What was Underwoods offense? He fullfilled his childhood dream of inviting his family to the Superbowl.
- Bill Belichick didnt like 3rd stringers inviting they family to the Superbowl and giving them stadium tickets.
The Eagles offensive line gave Nick Foles ALL DAY to throw so I doubt very much that Butler would have made the difference that's been speculated. That being said it made zero sense to bench him.
Ok if what personal then say what it was? Kraft didn’t say anything specific
Bill is a top 10 coach with Brady but top 100 without him
I heard it was because Butler during the season played poorly against Alshon Jeffrey type receivers...Gilmore was taller and better...the stats during the year for Butler were really mixed by some analysts which confused me as to that reason...
Soon people are going to be saying that the patriots made the same mistake with belichick that belichick made with Brady. Dude was a great coach with flaws. He ruthlessly did things that he thought were necessary.
Bill blew it not playing Butler. He originally said he put the bigger player in to cover a big receiver. Everyone could see that was a failed strategy by halftime. No famous post halftime defensive changes??? Philly should have a bust of Bill in their hof.
Bill parcels was the same way. Nobody talks about that.
Can you imagine being Butler’s backup and finding out in the Super Bowl that you are starting…then the team loses. Who are the players going to blame giving up so many touchdowns to the Eagles 🦅
You're missing the point maybe. You kind of hit it at the end. Pats will win SB the following year, with DEFENSE. So yeah, Malcolm disrespected Bills kid. a coach. some have said it was physical. and that explains the hush hush. They WERE doing Malcolm a solid bc no team wants that guy. Malcom went on the make some money.
But even that's not it. Part of it. Convenient for sure. It was really about Tom and Bill. Bill was told how to handle Jimmy G by Kraft inc.. Eventually that was settled by giving a nice family discount to SF for Jimmy G, at the expense of the Patriots. What's good for the team right?
Oh the Krafts think Tom is so great? I would do him like I did Bledsoe. I got Jimmy G! cough
In an act of "Ill show you" .Bill wanted Brady to put or shut up. Just put the team on your shoulders and be the hero....by scoring 40+ fn pts in a Super bowl no less. Which Tom almost pulled off. From there Bill used that leverage to force Tom to bend, play a slow offense style, no mistakes. yawn. hard to argue with the results. But really, Bill wanted to win without Tom, he resented being told what to do, and in the end he got exposed. Everyone has their weakness. Bill's is pride. Tom on the other hand ..... haha
I brought you are so right. I don't know what that guy's talking about. You don't if you're not the right fit, that's like going to go by a pair of shoes. Your damn 10 and you going to buy a pair of shoes. That's a nine. It's not the right fit. You're not going to buy it. I don't know why. He think they going to hire him just because who he is doesn't work that way. It's different times. Appreciate you keep going
I'm late to this party but IMO, Belichick should never again be trusted with a HC position. He's borderline megalomaniacal, and a cancer in any position of authority. I would hire him as a DC with very minimal authority only. He's also a HUGE hypocrite. He expects EVERYONE ELSE to be accountable and team driven so, WHY ISN'T HE??!! It's abundantly clear that Belichick is a brilliant Narcissist. He's the best defensive and tactical mind the game has ever seen, but he has NO respect for offense and offensive players, and NO respect for the Owner that employs him. He has repeatedly undermined what was best for the team while claiming otherwise. Sitting Malcolm Butler in SB 52 threw ALL Players under the Bus! How was that best for the TEAM?! Players are human and all different. It's a HC duty to manage personalities and CREATE an atmosphere of SUCCESS for overall TEAM benefit! Ruining the starting QB consciously or unconsciously because he isn't "your guy" is Textbook NARCISSISM and absolutely NOT what is “BEST” for the TEAM! Belichick does what is best for his EGO! He may have cut his football teeth under Navy Athletics, and he may THINK he runs a team modeled on the military, but he does NOT! He FORGOT that EVERY serviceman swears an oath and is accountable to a higher authority! The Admiral or General, may not agree with or even respect The President, but it's their duty to their country to follow orders and to NEVER undermine or subvert “The Boss” or the MEN under their command. Belichick repeatedly does both. IMO, players were willing to endure the "Belichick Way" because they believed TB12 ensured a legitimate SB shot year after year. Yes, the defenses were equally important to the repeated success, but The GOAT was the GLUE that held it all together. When the glue dissolved, it unsurprisingly fell apart.
Aaron Hernandez played for Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer. That's the point in time when both of those coaches lost their way.
That man doesn’t nobody an explanation if a player not playing it’s a good reason
I think it was a Matt Patricia issue. IMO, it was a Patricia 'personal issue' with Butler. And Bill B supported Patricia.
Not surprised because Patricia is a butt head
Idk if Bill has a daughter, but after watching those episodes I felt like Malcolm smashed Bill's daughter
Brothers from Another never played pro football in their lives taking shots at HOF coach. Nice. Good job guys, I am sure Bill is losing sleep over your takes.
Since Bill doesn't have a job, it's obvious he has a lot of time to sleep. No Team is waiting for Bill to come through that door.
The one time Brady had a glimpse of what Rogers had to deal with his whole playoff career and we’re still talking about it 6 years later. Let’s have a talk about Rogers putting up 45 points in a playoff loss
Belichick did the same ornery thing with Jonas Gray. Player can't be late not even once no matter how many yards he racked up on national television.
Butler playing doesn't change the outcome. That defense got lit up. The other 10 guys out there we're still torched. Also butler after that game got paid went to Tennessee and crapped his pants. What shutdown cb was butler in tenn? Dude fell to 3rd cb on the depth chart and cut after 3 seasons and out the league. At 28 he went to Tennessee and was washed up right away.
How tf you all gonna sit here and say this and that would have happened. The eagles had a bunch of shoulda woulda coulda situations in that game and season.
Does brady cook the eagles for 600 yards 10 out of 10 times?
Eand of the day. Brady still had a chance. The pats had a chance. They fumbled and lost.
The eagles last drive was an 8min drive td intended to eat clock. If butler was there maybe the eagles win and score with a different strategy. Stop talking like butler was deion sanders or a hall of fame
I don’t know what happened but didn’t Malcom butler come to the patriots after few years back I believe It was 21 or 22. So it makes me think it wasn’t that personal
Yeah no one talks about how he came BACK to the Patriots after the Titans and got injured and cut during preseason
I forgot about these guys wonder why still talking about Trump.
Belichick cost them a Super Bowl. Point blank period. That was a shit decision to keep Butler off the field in that SB. He fucked his team over. Settle that shit after the game.
Brady should have taken Butler's spot... 😂
Bill , did that on purpose. He threw that game to make Tom. Brady look bad And it backfired on him making him look like an old bitter racist hating ass coach
If your Malcolm butler and bill benches you and you didnt absolutely nothing wrong why would he ever sit down with belichick and agree to play for him ever again? If it were me id rather play for the bills for a nickel just to play the pats twice a year
I think he blew Superbowl to get even with Brady over Jimmy Garopolo situation.
Dumb
@Brascobadboy Maybe... but understandable. Belichick's process of replacing talent had been consistent, so forcing him to get rid of his future QB, because of Kraft's relationship with Brady, sealed the end of Belichick's loyalty to Kraft.
Coach BB literally changed his whole defense from man to man to zone in the super bowl against the rams. Coach bb is known for exploiting match ups. I really think he screwed himself & over thought the situation. He got in is own head that hes the genius & butlers back up gave them a better chance to win for what ever reason & instead of manning up at halftime & relizing it wasn’t the right decision. He double downed & stuck with it the hole game. There was no beef between the too , thats why malcom is so shocked & doesn’t know why. If bill wins the game they label him a genius for going against the grain in superbowl but it didn’t work out that way . His hole career hes gotten off on making tuff decisions that people question where he normally prevails.
He should support trump regardelss of what his players say. His players are getting brainwashdd by the lying media.
He looks like Don Lemon?
jfc get to the story
Bill isnt a good coach. Tom brady made him. Period.
Bill is the luckiest man in sports history. The planets aligned themselves to make him look like he knew what he was doing. Subtract Tom Brady from his life & do the math. 😂
The truth is that the owner was trying to protect the ego of his franchise player Tom Brady after it was Butler who made the winning play to win the SB not Tom Brady. Butler received high praise and many acts of appreciation from Kraft after that win. However, Kraft still felt the need to avoid any possibility that Brady would start feeling "some kind of way" other than the "real Tom Brady". So Butler started receiving a different kind of treatment (undeserving of course). My Tom was a sensitive dude who needed a different kind of maintenance. And I would bet that Tom knew this but wasn't😢 for whatever reason, compelled to do anything about it. Folks are always trying to drop shade Belichick. Makes no sense.
This show in particular is probably one of the most vapid, long winded articulate sports analysis I seen on youtube. I know you very smart brothers can do better than this.
Wtf are you talking about Tom Brady threw the game leading TD. You literally just pulled this out your axx
Just like MJ wasn’t a pleasure, belichick is not but the teams wins
My personal interpretation after watching The Dynasty on Apple about the Malcolm Butler benching is that Belichik probably informed Malcolm about his reduced role in the gameplan against Philly which was probably matchup related with Malcolm being a small guy and they probably had a heated exchange which led to a punishment due to insubordination.
Game hasn’t passed him bye. The players don’t even want to practice anymore. Getting NBA like. Lazy and *****
Ah Bill Belicheat is finally getting exposed!
To hold onto that ball still boggles what I have left of a brain
Why the heck would you drag trump into this ?
Malcolm won the "Beast-Mode" SB for Bellichik...only to betray him in the SB against the Eagles...
I still take bill currently over most of these coaches except probably Reed
U can have him!😂
Still as of right now? Let him draft and pick all the players?
The whole Malcolm Butler thing is overblown. Everyone acts like the guy was Dion Sanders. He would have made not one single difference in that game. Neither defense was stopping either one of those offenses. And the one big play Butler made in his career, against the Seahawks, was an absolute idiot call by Pete Carrol. If he runs the ball or rolls Wilson out, no one would have ever even heard of Malcolm Butler.
Straight hater
The problem was Butler was the best at his position and was never given the opportunity to play. Pats fans have every right to think they had a chance when their best player at a given position is in the game.
@@conchobar Best on the Pats, which that season didn't mean much. Play him don't play him. Nick Foles was still going to torch that defense.
Nobody's acting like he's Dion Sanders! But with the defense getting SCORCHED all night, it might help if u had your best defensive back on the field! Belicheck has ALWAYS been an EGOTISTIC NARCISSIST! Thats why he's UNEMPLOYED now!😂
The point is the defense gave up 40 and it was a close game. Missing a starting corner in that context matters. It doesn't matter who it was and if they were a bona fide star. And I think everyone can agree he was an above average starter.
He had bad practices and didn't seem ready to play. That was it. It wasn't personal. People are making a mountain out of a molehill. He was never a top-tier corner, Bill just utilized him perfectly, which is why he failed outside of New England. If Bill said he wasn't ready, he wasn't ready.