Hearthstone Pro Rates Yu-Gi-Oh Card Draw! ft. @Rarran

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  • Опубліковано 6 гру 2024

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  • @Regiultima
    @Regiultima 3 дні тому +344

    Card Destruction only needs at least 1 player to be able to discard and draw. If it is the only card in your hand, you can still activate it as long as your opponent has at least 1 card in their hand. Similarly, if your opponent’s hand is empty, you need at least 1 other card in order to active it.

    • @Superderpynerd
      @Superderpynerd 3 дні тому +10

      Nice! Someone said it before me.

    • @mauer1
      @mauer1 3 дні тому +37

      i think he confused it with hand destruction.
      where both have to exactly discard 2.

    • @Delimon007
      @Delimon007 3 дні тому +2

      Yea I was about to say the same thing. It's been years since I've ever played the card (I only play goat format and 2006 but this card is hella bad during those times) but I believe that just one player needs to have a card for it to resolve. It neither player would have cards then it cannot resolve and thus, cannot activate.

    • @lukemacinnes5124
      @lukemacinnes5124 3 дні тому +6

      as far as I know this is the only card that works like this, purely because konami said so

    • @nunocarvalho6671
      @nunocarvalho6671 3 дні тому +1

      It's also why the card destruction ftks work, cause on almost all, if not all, you card destruction while having no cards on your hand except card des, you also have no deck and your opponent's hand is over their remaining deck, so you can just card des, you dont draw cards and they cant draw enough and lose by overdecking

  • @slanax
    @slanax 3 дні тому +213

    Rarran: "Maybe like draw 3 but banish the last card you draw, you'd probably take the risk of banishing something"
    The playerbase about the actual card that does that: "Only a quarter of my deck? You got it. Want me to throw in my firstborn?"

    • @jesseliddelow6409
      @jesseliddelow6409 3 дні тому +37

      It's just a pot of greed, but you can't play it with exodia unless you like gambling (people will still play this with exodia)

    • @aaronabbey2604
      @aaronabbey2604 2 дні тому +12

      Good old pot of "neg 9"

    • @matthewstrunk5581
      @matthewstrunk5581 2 дні тому +1

      You know the funniest part. I believe Steve showed Rarran Pot of Desires on Rarran's channel for a video

    • @MercuryA2000
      @MercuryA2000 2 дні тому +7

      You know, I wonder where the line is. Like, if there was a pot card that let your opponent declare a card(s) you couldn't use for the rest of the duel, would that be worth it? What about if it let them look through your deck and FD banish something? What about if it put you on 1LP so any kind of burn or successful attack did it?
      Because there are some things we don't do for a +1. There is a line somewhere. I'm just curious where it is.

    • @prodmoira
      @prodmoira 2 дні тому +7

      ​@MercuryA2000 every card you listed would be played at 3 in 99% of decks

  • @ChaoticMeatballTV
    @ChaoticMeatballTV 3 дні тому +481

    I see we didn't want to bring Rarran to the realm of Pendulum monsters yet. I get it, but I REALLY hope that the rating videos you do with him, CGB, LSV, whoever comes next for pendulums ends up being the video where people are like "oh, I get it. Stupid, but I get it."

    • @918_xDx
      @918_xDx 3 дні тому +10

      What the flying fudd rucker is a pendulum summon ?!?!😂😂😂

    • @Bluejay575
      @Bluejay575 3 дні тому +44

      @@918_xDxit’s when Konami decided it was okay to write 2 paragraphs of text on a card.

    • @kinosnake
      @kinosnake 3 дні тому +7

      2121

    • @darthvader1166
      @darthvader1166 3 дні тому +2

      Pendulum and Link are just... naaaaaaaaaah.

    • @davidciszewski7497
      @davidciszewski7497 3 дні тому +3

      ​@@Bluejay575ain't this the truth made reading Last Turn look like a small paragraph compare to some pendulums cards.

  • @TagRoss
    @TagRoss 2 дні тому +57

    I think one thing cimoo forgot to mention about Pot of Avarice is that if you recycle extra deck monsters your deck doesn't lose consistency when drawing

    • @peteryanes3413
      @peteryanes3413 День тому +1

      Yup why it got ban in first place when synchro was the new thing

  • @davidciszewski7497
    @davidciszewski7497 3 дні тому +211

    Glad Cimo has some prerecorded videos. I love your channel. Hope you feel better.

    • @peteryanes3413
      @peteryanes3413 3 дні тому

      Me too

    • @HeavensOfMetal
      @HeavensOfMetal 3 дні тому +14

      Has something happened to him? I only watch these “TCG player rates cards” videos when they show up on my recommended & I’ve been watching the old progression series. Hope he’s doing alright.

    • @Catonkey1
      @Catonkey1 3 дні тому +31

      @@HeavensOfMetal he had some major surgery recently, he posted a whole video explaining the situation

    • @clubibi
      @clubibi 3 дні тому +7

      @@HeavensOfMetal homie has Ulcerative Colitis iirc

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 2 дні тому

      ​@@HeavensOfMetal He posted a video where he explained that he would be having a major surgey that will remove his large intestine and will take some time off from content creation for the surgery and the recovery process.

  • @nikolasavic2650
    @nikolasavic2650 3 дні тому +42

    Cimo showing Rarran a Pendulum Monster would be the equivalent of asking a caveman to build a GPU

  • @rivetace
    @rivetace 3 дні тому +107

    11:06 Rarran saying "this card became good because an archetype supported it" and then following that up with saying that it probably wouldn't see play in Hearthstone is crazy. Cataclysm had to get changed so that it no longer discards your entire hand simply because discard warlock got enough support. Discard warlock would play the shit out of card destruction, and if it costed anything less than like 6 mana, it would be a tier 0 deck.

    • @KoopaKrump
      @KoopaKrump 2 дні тому +5

      Having a combo card that does what both imp + cata/library did in terms of hand discard would be absolutely bonkers. Its literally an unprintable card with the current precedent set, you simply cannot give discard warlock access to that. Its too much.

    • @Falko-wer
      @Falko-wer 2 дні тому

      In magic, there is a card called time spiral, which gives you a New full hand for free, and is very powerful 😅

    • @IHarleyWin
      @IHarleyWin 2 дні тому +5

      Rarran does not believe wild exists.

    • @HighLanderPonyYT
      @HighLanderPonyYT День тому

      Neither does Blizzard.

  • @CodySvsTheNet
    @CodySvsTheNet 3 дні тому +81

    You could probably show rarran cards you've already shown him and he'd still get it wrong and not recognize several

    • @attalaKH
      @attalaKH 3 дні тому +26

      He is infinite content

    • @skyjumper4097
      @skyjumper4097 3 дні тому +21

      @@attalaKH rarran impermanence

  • @MikeMozzaro
    @MikeMozzaro 3 дні тому +100

    Random Suggestion; Rarrans had videos where he gets creators to "rank" Hearthstone cards from a specific type. Try doing the same with all the "Pot" cards that came after Pot of Greed and see if people can figure out which ones are the strongest.

    • @ajkcool
      @ajkcool 3 дні тому +5

      Well some of them are context dependent depending on the deck. Some decks, you don't want to banish random cards from your ED for Extrav. Lab or Eldlich, it's just Pot of Greed.
      Some don't mind banishing 10 as long as you can combo off for Desires (or if they benefit from having banished cards). Virtual World can, with Nyannyan, recover facedown banished cards
      Etc, etc

    • @kit2877
      @kit2877 2 дні тому +8

      We don't even know which are the strongest lol

    • @Noobie2k7
      @Noobie2k7 2 дні тому

      I mean Avarice and Duality are likely 1 and 2.

    • @ahkwaheart
      @ahkwaheart 2 дні тому

      prospy > greed

  • @alessioscoppa1745
    @alessioscoppa1745 3 дні тому +69

    7:05 I think Cimo mistook Card Destruction ruling with Hand Destruction's. Card Destruction says "as many as possible" whilst Hand Destruction requires both players to discard exactly 2 cards

    • @Sinzari
      @Sinzari 3 дні тому +5

      I don't think so, I think he just misremembered, because Card Destruction DOES need at least ONE player to have a card in hand, he just thought it was both players.

  • @zenoodlesoup6374
    @zenoodlesoup6374 3 дні тому +13

    I've just recently discovered this series and binged it. I absolutely loved the guests, the knowledge of different TCG's being exchanged and the length of the episodes 🫶
    Keep it up!

  • @dectilon
    @dectilon 3 дні тому +29

    Okay, "freightening car" is a pretty good pun.

    • @darkblaze435
      @darkblaze435 2 дні тому +1

      Yu-Gi-Oh generally does have good puns, I'll give them that.

    • @HighLanderPonyYT
      @HighLanderPonyYT День тому

      Terrible and a low lvl pun, if at all. But okay for a chuckle.

  • @derfreisi4317
    @derfreisi4317 3 дні тому +24

    Ah the feeling, when you destroy someone with Trickstar, after they draw half their deck with Maxx C and you use Card Destruction, its so good

  • @aea3630
    @aea3630 3 дні тому +34

    41:20 "If this card was still at 3 copies people would play it at three". It has actually been at 3 copies since the start of 2024 and it's rarely played. With the already insane consistency of modern decks and abundance of good generics, there's no need to play a card that's just a +0 when you could instead just put handtraps or boardbreakers in that slot instead, which you would much rather draw than upstart.
    The only time I remember a +0 draw being ran in a recent meta deck was a while ago in the OCG where Snake-eyes played 3 Chicken Game after limits to WANTED and Ash, which is because it also serves as a face-up card to send with Diabellstar after it's drawn you a card, technically making it a +1 instead of a +0.
    The fact that 3x Upstart is no longer a thing really shows how deckbuilding in Yugioh has changed. The main goal of free-slots in decks went from "more cards to find key pieces to your combo" to "more cards to stop your opponent from doing their combo".

    • @deesoff
      @deesoff 3 дні тому

      Another factor is that a lot of decks now really don't care about sticking to 40 cards because of the combination of already very high consistency along with garnets that become worse in smaller decks. And obviously if you're already going over 40 then upstart becomes pointless (although there are still a couple exceptions of course).

    • @KeshavKrishnan
      @KeshavKrishnan 2 дні тому

      It has seen some recent play in white forest... Because they can recycle it so it's kinda pot of greed with extra steps

    • @Sinzari
      @Sinzari 2 дні тому +1

      Yeah, it's crazy, but spells are often too slow in Yugioh nowadays because you need to be able to play cards on turn 0.

    • @DoctorOaks
      @DoctorOaks День тому

      I think it's had some play in Sky Striker, but it's just not as good as having 3 extra handtraps/utility options (like Fiendsmith line) now that every deck is playing like 9+ one card starters.

    • @monkfishy6348
      @monkfishy6348 День тому

      It also makes Droll live and it's dead if Droll has already been played.

  • @superbaas8822
    @superbaas8822 2 дні тому +10

    25:40 So as terrible as Yamata was the VAST majority of it's life, it did have one moment. It was briefly teched in Dragon Ruler as a SOMETIMES card as they full well legitimately could field the 2 tributes needed to pop it onto the board. It gets better because Yamata is a fire dragon, and thus fully valid for both of Blaster's effects, and a level 7 so it already slots in with all their support. Yamata would often be supplanted in it's spot by Obelisk the Tormentor, as Obelisk was very difficult to out in the mirror outside of another Obelisk, but it wasn't unreasonable to see Yamata come down itself and just dunk some people off the earth by drawing 3-5 cards.

    • @LegitLord2000
      @LegitLord2000 2 дні тому

      I don’t get how the card is bad lol. Maybe it’s more of a recent card than I think it is. Early Yu gi oh 2600 atk isn’t bad at all, and a free full hand is cracked. Giving up 2 monsters 100% worth

    • @HazeEmry
      @HazeEmry 2 дні тому +4

      @@LegitLord2000 It's a sprit monster. Can't be special summoned + spirit monsters don't stay on field after the end phase unless negated, reducing your board presence

    • @YukiFubuki.
      @YukiFubuki. 23 години тому

      @@LegitLord2000spirit monsters themselves is almost unplayable without a dedicated deck in the majority of the cases

  • @kyounokaien
    @kyounokaien 3 дні тому +49

    upstart is at 3 and nobody but striker plays it because it does nothing on turn 0. drawing an upstart rather than a handtrap will more often than not lose you the game.

    • @carpedm9846
      @carpedm9846 3 дні тому +37

      "Its too slow, it does nothing until turn 1"
      Insane to hear but like... yeah thats a good analysis.

    • @GodzillaFreak
      @GodzillaFreak 2 дні тому +3

      @@carpedm9846 Most decks play handtraps, and the ones that don't are generally bad into droll. Upstart is just a dead card into droll.

    • @KeshavKrishnan
      @KeshavKrishnan 2 дні тому +4

      A few decks run it but. You usually have to look at it as "engine" instead of ur non-engine staples. White forest has also been running it lately but still maintains high hand trap ratios

    • @KeshavKrishnan
      @KeshavKrishnan 2 дні тому +2

      @@GodzillaFreakits not dead into droll until you draw/search another card. 1 for 1 card draw just isn't good enough alone regardless of droll

    • @GodzillaFreak
      @GodzillaFreak 2 дні тому +1

      @@KeshavKrishnan If the deck is a combo deck, which decks light on handtraps basically always are, then it is just true that there will be other draws and searches. The exception is a trap deck, but trap decks avoid spells in general because of trap theory, playing them very sparingly. If you don't play handtraps, and you're not being punished for drawing cards, cycling is just good.

  • @ttarzzxz3711
    @ttarzzxz3711 3 дні тому +8

    Rarran describing super pot of desires at the end is so funny, imagine if something like floowander got to play with that

  • @StrunDoNhor
    @StrunDoNhor 3 дні тому +5

    One other thing to mention, in regards to Beginning of the End, is that the draw 3 rarely builds towards something. If you're committed to dumping 15 monsters, there's very little else you can really do besides, I guess, draw into traps---which your opponent may have answers to. And, if you've spent all those monsters on extra deck plays, then chances are you're already setup and there's very little that you can actually _do_ with those draws that your board can't already do. (There's little point in drawing removal/negate/whatever cards if your big boss monsters are doing that anyway.)

    • @GodzillaFreak
      @GodzillaFreak 2 дні тому

      Well no danger deep draw very much needed to keep going since you were cycling a lot without necessarily building too much advantage

    • @UltimateLink1
      @UltimateLink1 2 дні тому +1

      The costs for it are also quite high. 7+ DARK monsters in grave is a bit too high for a deck to hit turn one unless it's specifically going for mass graveyard shenans (in which case, BotE works against by removing those resources from the grave), and banishing the monsters essentially makes them unrecyclable compared to Avarice's shuffling back into the deck. It just doesn't really have a viable niche.

  • @bestbeekeeper8931
    @bestbeekeeper8931 3 дні тому +5

    cimo's little elf grin when he says "so let's talk about [card name]" is peak

  • @KamisamanoOtaku
    @KamisamanoOtaku 3 дні тому +13

    @7:00 *Card Destruction can be used so long as at least one player has a card in hand.* If _both_ players have zero cards in hand (or no cards other than _that_ copy of Card Destruction in the case of the person playing it from hand), *then* Card Destruction cannot legally be used. Under Konami (I don't recall it from the Upper Deck days), you also _cannot_ use Card Destruction if you have fewer cards left in your deck than you have in your hand. All of this is - or at least _was_ - quite relevant given the combo of Card Destruction and Serial Spell. Serial Spell *does* require you have a card in hand to discard for its cost, but I'm talking about how - if your hand size exceeded your remaining deck size - you wouldn't be able to play Card Destruction, even if you planned on chaining Serial Spell to it and thus emptying out your hand.

  • @michaelfung4285
    @michaelfung4285 3 дні тому +14

    1:03:40 Oh Rarran, you haven't even seen Pot of Desires.

  • @stoike3958
    @stoike3958 3 дні тому +7

    Damn, kinda wish Cimooooo had pulled out Ursarctic Radiation but I guess evaluating that is kinda a wash without knowing how god awful my space bears are.

  • @artemisamberdrive583
    @artemisamberdrive583 3 дні тому +9

    9:06 now that you've heard it you can't overhear a chicken being murdered

  • @mach186282
    @mach186282 2 дні тому +2

    One thing that Cimo didn't mention about Pot of Avarice is, it doesn't specify the monsters need to be Main Deck monsters. This was a big part of its strength, putting back Extra Deck monsters (most of which you'd only run at 1 copy) so you could bring them out again if you had the material, letting you either redo your deck's main combos or just have more options to deal with the board. Shuffling back Extra Deck monsters also means you wouldn't hurt the consistency of your Main Deck and makes it far easier to meet the 5 monster requirement than just Main Deck monsters would've.

  • @BenazetG
    @BenazetG 3 дні тому +9

    As long as one player has a card in their hand (except for the Card Destruction), you CAN legally activate Card Destruction.

  • @jamesaditya5254
    @jamesaditya5254 3 дні тому +4

    The emotional rollercoaster Rarran went through from Dekoichi to Card Trooper was wild lol

  • @ThePigKnight
    @ThePigKnight 3 дні тому +3

    Card destruction is kinda interesting. You can activate it as long as it would discard at least one card between you and your opponent.

  • @CoupeDeJarnac
    @CoupeDeJarnac 2 дні тому +3

    If I recall Morphing Jar was apart of the initial ban wave. Actually why I quit early on. 500 bucks thrown away felt really bad. I use to play my hand finish with Card Destruction then flip Morphing Jar protected by a trap hole since back then everyone was playing stuff like Gemini or another 1900 power card and watch my opponent cry as they discarded their hand twice. It was a simpler time back then.

  • @SaberToothPortilla
    @SaberToothPortilla 3 дні тому +7

    Others have mentioned, but you can activate Card Destruction in any circumstance where it would affect the game on resolution.
    By that, the only case where it can't activate is if you *and* your opponent have no cards in hand, because that's the only case where it would do nothing.

  • @Ceece20
    @Ceece20 3 дні тому +6

    Pendulums! Pendulums!
    Melt the brains! Rake the coals! Fire up the XYZ/Pendulum combos!

  • @markusmanssen5624
    @markusmanssen5624 3 дні тому +5

    The Beginning of the End was limited from 2020 to 2022 in the OCG.

  • @GustSuzaku
    @GustSuzaku 3 дні тому +3

    We need part 2 eventually so we can hear his take on Pot of Desires lmao

  • @TheShiningBee
    @TheShiningBee 3 дні тому +1

    Another banger. God I love seeing Rarran get into the yu-gi-oh headspace. Appreciating the dreams and creativity

  • @Donrickytheonlyone
    @Donrickytheonlyone 3 дні тому +2

    The thing that really made dupe trooper insane was when combined with limiter removal for a super easy otk

  • @chimpmunkfu
    @chimpmunkfu 3 дні тому +2

    CIMOOOOOOOO one of my fav hour long video formats i will happily watch and rewatch time and time again

  • @MagnusvonYoshi
    @MagnusvonYoshi 2 дні тому +1

    Beginning of the End's current PSCT reads "If you have 7 or more DARK monsters in your GY: Banish 5 DARK monsters from your GY; draw 3 cards." so your opponent cannot disrupt this the same way as Pot of Avarice

  • @Ryukurai
    @Ryukurai 3 дні тому +3

    I could be wrong; but I think the difference between Pot of Avarice and The Beginning of the End is that Pot of Avarice is more susceptible to counter play due to the fact that it requires you to target the cards (and if one is removed it becomes invalid even if you still meet the minimal count); whereas Beginning of the End can only be countered if you are put below the minimal requirement (i.e. if you still have 7 or more cards after your opponent removes one, you can still remove 5 of the remaining since it doesn't specify that they're being targeted).

    • @MetaKaios
      @MetaKaios 2 дні тому +2

      No, the biggest difference is that banishing 5 is a cost for BotE. The opponent can't respond until after you've already banished them.

  • @FafliXx
    @FafliXx 3 дні тому +2

    That Rarran re-invented Pot of Desires is crazy.

  • @XCC23
    @XCC23 2 дні тому +1

    17:33 extra thing about pot of greed's notoriety - not only did everyone run pot of greed in the anime, everyone also explained every time exactly what it does.

  • @OriginsStaffs
    @OriginsStaffs 3 дні тому +5

    Also Card Destruction is a really good counter to Maxx C if you can give them enough draws…That way they deckout out of their own roach

    • @YukiFubuki.
      @YukiFubuki. 22 години тому

      just make sure to bait the ash first

  • @FafliXx
    @FafliXx 3 дні тому +14

    Cimoooooooo: I'm taking a break for health reasons
    Also Cimoooooooo: I will upload more frequently than before my break.

  • @ALittleMessi
    @ALittleMessi 2 дні тому

    First time watching this series and it was way more enjoyable than I thought it might be. I love seeing his thought process evolving with more knowledge. Especially to the point where he theory crafted his own card

  • @skullyzYT
    @skullyzYT 2 дні тому +2

    Whats weird with card destruction and Morphing jar from a HS perspective is the disruption you can do to your opponent with these cards, especially if your playing a warlock card destruction deck. because your basically going positive with your cards (kind of like dark world in yugioh) wile making your opponent hate you for getting rid of potential combo cards as unlike yugioh, the graveyard is not a thing and the cards discarded by hand are gone basically forever. these kinds of cards in HS would be considered some of the most toxic cards in the game especially in wild.

  • @stubenhockershr1161
    @stubenhockershr1161 3 дні тому +2

    Rarran getting too smart for his own good at the end, awesome episode

  • @ARadiantHero
    @ARadiantHero 3 дні тому +19

    19:20 He actually makes a pretty great point, this was especially in contention with Upstart Goblin in that you could argue that decks are already so consistent that they would prefer to see handtraps to interact on the opponent's turn instead of effectively a blank card. Now unlike Upstart Goblin, Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity are a different subject just because they're so egregious in card advantage why wouldn't you run them. But it is interesting that excessive consistency CAN end up being a hinderance and is usually taken into consideration in deck building.

    • @delta3244
      @delta3244 2 дні тому +2

      It's not that UG makes decks "too" consistent, the problem is that UG is a brick on your turn 0. If you're going first, UG reduces your deck size - simple as that. If you're going second, playing 3 UG instead of, say, 2 handtraps and 1 starter, makes your deck less consistent¹ because you cannot cycle UG for a handtrap on that turn. UG is not played in decks when it would make them less consistent going second. Smaller decks also play worse with engine requirements because bad cards to draw dilute the average power per card more in a small deck than a big one, so one might also avoid UG when playing too many engine requirements. Playing more cards increases the average power of your hands in those cases.
      ¹In a bit more detail, "consistency" when going first roughly equals "the odds of drawing enough combo pieces on my first turn." When going second on the other hand, "consistency" roughly equals "the odds of drawing enough handtraps in my opening hand and also drawing enough combo pieces on my first turn." UG helps with the "drawing enough combo pieces" part either way, but it hinders the "drawing enough handtraps" part.

    • @ARadiantHero
      @ARadiantHero 2 дні тому

      ​@delta3244 My brother in christ I quite literally said that. Also, I wasn't bringing that point up specifically because of Upstart Goblin, it was just one of several good examples of how being as consistent as you possibly can be isn't the solution to everything in Yugioh.

    • @delta3244
      @delta3244 День тому

      @@ARadiantHero I was nitpicking "...excessive consistency CAN be a hinderance...," because the problem with UG is that it lowers consistancy. It doesn't raise consistency to be "too high" and cause problems through it, it lowers consistency. UG being bad is not an example of chasing incremental gains in consistency being bad. It is an example of chasing those gains being good, because UG is excluded where excluding it increases consistency. "Chasing small gains in inconsistency can be bad past a certain point" is a bad takeaway from "UG is bad in most decks."

    • @ARadiantHero
      @ARadiantHero День тому

      ​@delta3244 I can understand what you're trying to say, but I just don't agree with your nitpicking. Upstart Goblin is a consistency piece in that it is making it more likely to see every single other card in your deck if you are on the minimum deck amount, there is nothing to argue here. It does not matter that it isn't something like a ROTA, it doesn't matter if it's bad or good in the current game, and it does not matter if the card you see off of it is unusable, that is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make because that is a separate issue altogether. If it is a card that is made to see other cards more often, then that is what it is.
      Admittedly, I left a lot of details out because I was trying to make a very simple statement so if anyone saw the comment, they would understand even if they didn't play Yugioh very much. But I still stand by that point and even as recent as Snake-Eyes format there have been examples of not needing as much consistency as you can possibly run because of the examples we both agree on, as well as redundancy.
      You CAN run an ultra consistent deck with max copies of Upstart, Chicken Game, Into the Void, Pot of Greed and Graceful, but Yugioh isn't just about seeing your good cards as often as possible. You can make concessions about "Do I want to run the maximum amount of starters and consistency pieces possible, or do I want to cut down on them for other cards, or do I want to make my deck count larger so I see the cards I don't want to see less often" and be rewarded for it. I play Phantom Knights (if you couldn't tell from my pfp lmao) to a relatively competitive extent and if you know anything about the current iteration of that archetype, these are issues I have to manage constantly and am always changing.
      Also Upstart Goblin isn't even a bad card, it's just currently unnecessary. But it wouldn't take THAT much for that card to start seeing play again.

    • @monkfishy6348
      @monkfishy6348 День тому

      Even Pot of Greed wouldn't be played in the best Decks today I don't think. They are already so hyper consistent that you'd rather play a board breaker or handtrap in that slot instead.

  • @TheADHDM
    @TheADHDM 2 дні тому

    Cimo waited zero seconds after Rarran's answer to say Dekoichi was goated
    There's that History of Yu-Gi-Oh! machinestuff boy we know and love

  • @gingeral253
    @gingeral253 3 дні тому +2

    0:50 Woah he said it right!!!

  • @BaxsStudios
    @BaxsStudios 3 дні тому +5

    Minute 19: he has an amazing point yes the good decks would be more consistent but consistency isnt linear. Thats why its not optimal to run 18 starters for example. So those meta decks already have around 90% consistency and would only slightly increase in consistency while worse decks would have a higher jump. Making it probably more beneficial for inconsistent roge decks. Thats why cards like pot of prosperety are way more impactful in worse strategies then in top meta decks. So yes while annoying I do belive pot of greed isnt close as unhealthy to the game as commonly discussed. GC has to stay banned thougj as it enables combos and set up

    • @xakuray5522
      @xakuray5522 3 дні тому +3

      Though I see the argument you're trying to make, and this is why modern deck don't run upstart goblin anymore (the small upside in consistency isn't worth the potential brick going second), you're missing 2 way more important factors.
      - First off, these cards are absolutely toxic as they make the game more affected by the coin flip and luck dependant in general as opening pot of greed or graceful charity over not opening them is a huge power swing, even when going second. They are in some ways even less balanced than Maxx C, for providing important card advantage but by favoring player 1 even more. And yes, even if they were to always trade 1 for 1 with an ash, it's an upside.
      - Second, even though the consistency increase they provide would be more important to less consistent, more degenerate strategies. It's important to remember these meta decks are already so consistent that they can afford to run ~40% if not sometimes ~60% staples, hand traps, etc. So, despite not really improving the combos they would make, these cards would provide more answers and counters to their opponent's strategy. Thus, providing value potentially even higher than the consistency gain to other decks.
      This is why these cards should never be unbanned and why almost all pot restrains are atleast being limited and even sometimes banned to this day.

    • @ellachino4799
      @ellachino4799 3 дні тому +1

      Yeah the swing factor is way more of a problem than anything else. Randomly having 6 card starting hands is pretty annoying

  • @leonardocarvalho7306
    @leonardocarvalho7306 3 дні тому +1

    kinda unrelated but toon masked sorc has a nifty combo in Performage Toon rank 4, basically use Trapeze Magician on Mask Sorc or Gemini Elf (both level 4 spellcasters btw) to +2 yourself or -2 the opponent.
    Toon Kingdom protects the toon monster from Trapeze's destruction so you don't lose material, gives you some protection from damage so leaving a weak monster like sorc in attack becomes less of an issue.

  • @canadacaden3266
    @canadacaden3266 2 дні тому +1

    I'd love to see Rarran's thoughts on three of my favorite meme-y cards: Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell, Mystical Refpanel and Ordeal of a Traveller.

  • @Lord_Malkior
    @Lord_Malkior 2 дні тому

    Can't believe I've been watching these matchup videos for months without subscribing. Fixed. Cheers, Cimo~❤

  • @lorenztor1990
    @lorenztor1990 2 дні тому

    The good thing about Trap Draw cards in older yugioh is that they can bait your opponent's destruction effects. They target to destroy and you just chain so you kind of plus one by making them waste a card. Was always a great feeling when you chain your Jar of Greed to your opponent's MST that was targeting it. It's funny that Cimo says this tactic is only just now becoming popular in retro formats because I did that all the time when I was a kid.

  • @lorenztor1990
    @lorenztor1990 2 дні тому +1

    To be honest, I think Rarran is on to something. I think the consistency improvement to decent but not good enough decks would be much greater than it would be to already ultra consistent decks. Playing Master Duel, I've never seen a Centurion, Snake Eyes, Yubel, or a Voiceless player brick...EVER.

  • @PistisAdelphos
    @PistisAdelphos 3 дні тому +2

    Masked sorc is a good card in critter. I play one copy in Muka Muka Turbo. but in that format its all about setting monsters and keepig your opponent guessing. set witch, set la jinn, set this guy, set soldier of stone. just keep them guessing until you can build up for a gameshot with last will cannon soldier raigeki and reborn or whatever else needed to go for game.

  • @thedropshotter115
    @thedropshotter115 3 дні тому +4

    for some reason I remember beginning of the end being semi-limited at some point

    • @RickertUrgen
      @RickertUrgen 3 дні тому +2

      it was limited and semi-limited in the OCG but never touched in the TCG

  • @MrDeathstab
    @MrDeathstab 3 дні тому +1

    Just seen this video dropped and made my day 100% better!

  • @definitelynotmany4972
    @definitelynotmany4972 2 дні тому +2

    11:31 Cards much worse than this one have been already banned and nerfed in hearthstone because of how unfun they were.

  • @trevizee806
    @trevizee806 2 дні тому +2

    To answer rarrans question about what would happen if graceful and PoG where at 3 right now, I don't agree with Cimo that nothing would change. Apart from droll being a must main I think either sky striker, dark world or purrely would rush to the top of tier 1. I think of all the meta decks only ryzeal (which isn't even out) would significantly improve with 3 pots.
    Purrely with 6 free draw spells and gy setup would be crazy, you guys have no idea. First you get to draw street almost every hand so you instantly invalidate half the hand traps your opponent has. Your deck can easily get to double noir with enough spells in rotation and your engine is pretty good going second so you can cut on the hand traps for more pots. I'd definitely try purrely first if they came back tomorrow.

  • @fosterchild777
    @fosterchild777 2 дні тому

    I love that the video ends with Rarran accidentally inventing Allure of Darkness as a hypothetical

  • @albertorodrigomolinasortiz471
    @albertorodrigomolinasortiz471 2 дні тому

    I remember the first time I built a deck that used 3 Pot of Avarice, it got hit just next format, along with several other cards in that deck. It used Fish monsters to get synchro material to draw with Librarian and my first turn ended ten minutes later with two Shooting Quasar Dragon and all pieces of Exodia in hand.

  • @faereman
    @faereman 2 дні тому

    That "Pot of banish" Rarran came up with seems like the perfect addition to a Thunder Dragon deck, it's like if Gold Sarc and Allure of Darkness had a baby :p

  • @dariuspenner2528
    @dariuspenner2528 2 дні тому

    To answer Raran’s question about Graceful Charity/Pot of Greed being fine because modern top tier decks are already incredibly consistent, the issue would then be that these decks could just dig for non engine. Graceful Charity in particular would be insane because you could just discard redundant hand traps. Like you don’t care about discarding your second copy of Ash because it has a HOPT. It’d also make side decked games incredibly swingy. The last thing the game needs is for decks to be able to dig for side deck pieces more consistently. That’s the main reason why Prosperity is as strong as it is and why it’s the strongest legal draw spell by a mile and in my opinion arguably the strongest draw spell of all time, only questionably behind Graceful Charity but absolutely ahead of Pot of Greed because none of the restrictions matter if it gets you to your 1 card starter or your turn ending side deck card like D Barrier. Meta decks would just use the draw spells to find hand traps in game 1 and side deck cards in game 2/3.

  • @kr555wizard
    @kr555wizard 2 дні тому +1

    I would argue that if you have a deck that has an insane ceiling but rarely gets to said ceiling then unbanning pot of greed and graceful might allow them to shake the meta. I can't think of any deck off the top of my head this would work with, but i do know that it would affect hyper consistent decks alot less than inconsistent ones.

  • @overlorddinok3596
    @overlorddinok3596 День тому

    forgot to mention how Card Destruction can literally be used as a win con vs Max C and Pur via deck out.

  • @silvanobianchini6924
    @silvanobianchini6924 День тому

    ... back in my days... the best part about masked sorcerer was setting it up turn one. If the opponent attacked it with a weaker monster to see what it was (like with a sangan, newdoria, witch of the black forest...), you would deal damage to them and draw a card. It was hilarious when it happened

  • @lexnaum
    @lexnaum 3 дні тому +2

    I think Card Destruction can be activated no matter what. It says "as many as possible"

    • @RunicSigils
      @RunicSigils 2 дні тому

      You can't activate a card where the conditions can't be met at all.
      There has to be at least one card that it can discard even with the "as possible" stipulation.

  • @PotatoSofi
    @PotatoSofi 2 дні тому

    Beginning of the End *removes* from play, which is a very rare kind of effect in a card with such a good effect.

  • @knightoftherake2448
    @knightoftherake2448 3 дні тому +1

    Bro is trying to tri-wight 3 bokoichis back into dekoichi I respect the vision

  • @heartscaless
    @heartscaless 3 дні тому +8

    can someone timestamp where the hearthstone pro comes in

  • @Wortigon2000
    @Wortigon2000 2 дні тому

    Card Destruction fun story: i was playing treasure Panda Exodia, my opponent went first, just set a card, and passed. I have no idea what he was playing. He hit me with Maxx C at the start of my turn. I had Treasure Panda in my starting hand, with a bunch of spells as draw cards/panda fodder fodder And Card Destruction was in my deck. My opponent banished one of my exodia pieces from my graveyard using his set Called by The Grave, and probably turned his toggles off. I played through most of my deck, extra deck included (there are quite a few extra deck monsters that are good for card draws in Treasure Panda exodia, let's take Formula Synchron, that level 3 cyberse synchro, corall dragon, or ravenous crocodragon as examples. But link spider, link 2 dark/earch charmers, seleene, accesscode could go into a neat combo if your opponent hits you with a dark/earch handtrap, with simply 2 normal monsters in hand, like 2 exodia limbs. The rest were just some nice beatsticks, like Baronne, Satellite Warrior, Stardust Charge Warrior, T.G. Hyper Librarian, etc.) Point is, my opponent Maxx C-d me, made sure I can't get to Exodia, and what I'd assume is he turned off his toggles. Because he had lover 25 cards in his hand by the time my combo finished, and I basically went through my whole deck. Than I hit him with card destruction, with my own hand almost empty. Deck Out victory. One of the 3 win cons of that deck. The Baronne/Accesscode combos are nice too, but generally Exodia himself is the main wincon.

  • @SpottedZebra
    @SpottedZebra 3 дні тому

    In the 5D era video games, I liked running 3 jars and 3 legacies in a deck built for level 8 synchros. Probably not that great objectively, but it was fun to be able to target one of those with Scrap Dragon and then chain it to draw before the double pop. Mostly just wanted having the possibility of the MST dream but with a little something else to help justify it.

  • @nuggetsml
    @nuggetsml 2 дні тому

    Cimo im gonna need you to release more of these vids man, as fast as possible

  • @nickjoseph77
    @nickjoseph77 День тому

    Baiting opponents with traps like Legacy in response to removal always feels so good.

  • @faereman
    @faereman 2 дні тому +1

    I'm starting to feel like these thumbnails are randomly generated.

  • @elvenatheart982
    @elvenatheart982 3 дні тому +1

    I love that CGB is rating Syncros and Rarran is just doing baby stiff like old staples and shit

  • @JAN0L
    @JAN0L 2 дні тому

    The Beginning of the End doesn't target the cards it removes so the only way for your opponent to disrupt it is to reduce the number of dark monsters in the graveyard below 5. With Pot of Avarice if any of the targeted cards leaves the graveyard the effect can't resolve.

  • @definitelynotmany4972
    @definitelynotmany4972 2 дні тому

    16:21 Morphin Jar would be insane in Hearthstone. Imagine activating all the discard synergies, while at the same time ruining your opponent's game plan

  • @ubadman1
    @ubadman1 2 дні тому

    Cimo couldve run with that train comment and showed him super rail dreadnaught cannon and all the big trains.
    55:48 best moment in this series.

  • @chunkitliem3635
    @chunkitliem3635 2 дні тому

    Fun fact about graceful charity: Chinese ygo player hosted competition with no ban list before, and obviously we know the best deck is that deck, but here comes the funniest thing, graceful charity are in the deck while pot of greed aren't because "Card is not efficient enough"

  • @jk844100
    @jk844100 2 дні тому

    Quick clarification: the beginning of the end banishes 5 for cost so it’s not like Pot of Avarice. (The version shown in the video is pre-PSCT”)

  • @MrGhosta5
    @MrGhosta5 2 дні тому

    Card trooper is also a machine so you can use limiter removal on it to double it's boosted attack and cause it to die.

  • @RoseZ7323
    @RoseZ7323 10 годин тому

    Part 2!
    Part 2!
    Great video guys ❤

  • @mikehawk8984
    @mikehawk8984 3 дні тому +1

    33:16
    "Boikoochi"

  • @lorenztor1990
    @lorenztor1990 2 дні тому

    Beginning of the End is different from Pot of Avarice in that The beginning of the end does not target those 5 dark monsters so you don't have to select which ones first so if your opponent removes one it will still resolve. The 7 or more is an activation condition and if your opponent removes one to make you only have 6 it won't matter because the required condition was already met upon activation. The only problem you will run into is if your opponent makes you have less than 5 Dark monsters, then the card would not be able to resolve.

  • @kokumvt
    @kokumvt 3 дні тому +3

    You can set yamatadragon , it will count as battle damage

    • @RunicSigils
      @RunicSigils 2 дні тому +1

      How often do you regularly attack into things that someone has set, let alone tribute set?

    • @YukiFubuki.
      @YukiFubuki. 22 години тому

      @@RunicSigilswhen you feeling confident but i digress

  • @chrisb.2028
    @chrisb.2028 3 дні тому +1

    1:03:53 reminds me a lot about desires but kinda better, it would be more balanced if it banishes facedown a random card in your hand and it would totally see play without being more broken than necessary, it would end up at 1 tho.

  • @qedsoku849
    @qedsoku849 11 годин тому

    Rarran when he sees 0 mana cards that would let warlock combo off and also instantly win against combo decks: "This card would be bad in hearthstone"

  • @jordanlane5860
    @jordanlane5860 2 дні тому

    34:20 Well guys, it looks like Rarran broke Machine Duplication.

  • @BlueYYu
    @BlueYYu 3 дні тому +1

    6:02 Genzo the Shark also has Hearthstone cards in the art.

  • @pretends2know
    @pretends2know 2 дні тому

    In the great Pot of Greed vs. Graceful Charity debate, I personally think that Graceful Charity wins because the floor and ceiling of Pot of Greed's power is a +1. The floor of Graceful Charity is a 3-for-3, but the ceiling is much, much higher than a +1.

  • @suprahb
    @suprahb 3 дні тому

    Summoning yamata dragon off kashtira birth is one of my favorite interactions

  • @Skinnaburn
    @Skinnaburn 3 дні тому +1

    The thing i would be interested to see is Number IC1000, since yugioh has higher stats than other card games already, let´s go to the extreme with 100.000 ATK and see what people from other card games think about it.

  • @alexanderfisher7261
    @alexanderfisher7261 3 дні тому

    In wild hearthstone, 0 mana discard your hand would almost certainly be broken. Adding draw to it would be insane.

  • @DGSnowolf
    @DGSnowolf 2 дні тому

    Graceful Charity HAS been played over Pot of Greed in the OCGs Unlimited Format. In fact Charity is a staple in basically every deck, while Pot of Greed isn't played for the reasons that Rarran stated here. In the Unlimited Format the top decks are already so consistent that Pot of Greed is wasted Deckspace.

  • @ElusiveMirror
    @ElusiveMirror 13 годин тому

    Masked Sorcerer is more or less a meta card in Critter Format. The format is slow and resource dependant enough that it's feasible and relevant to resolve an effect like that, it gets under Trap Hole with 900 ATK and can be searched in a variety of ways.

  • @peteryanes3413
    @peteryanes3413 3 дні тому +1

    Love how cimo says life not fair

  • @Anonymous8547
    @Anonymous8547 3 дні тому

    If masked sorc is in defense position and inflicts battle damage from being attacked you also draw 1 card. This comes up in critter format.

  • @jaeusa160
    @jaeusa160 3 дні тому

    Funny thing semi-related to Morphing Jar. Because Jar would be very slow, and the Anime wanted these very back-and-forth games of cards constantly being played and more than 1 card per turn, the Anime created a spell card Coins From Heaven to just have both players draw back up to 6 cards in hand.
    Like other anime cards, it got printed in the physical game as total garbage because it's obviously insanely broken. But it's just kind of cool to think of how much fun a mutual hand refill would be in a very slow version of Yugioh.

  • @user-MerchantofVenus
    @user-MerchantofVenus 3 дні тому

    Show him good goblin housekeeping with emergency provisions, and explain how the combo allows you to draw 12 cards

  • @davidciszewski7497
    @davidciszewski7497 3 дні тому +2

    Upstart Goblin went to unlimited on the January 4th, 2024 ban listed.

    • @MrShukaku1991
      @MrShukaku1991 3 дні тому +6

      Yeah, modern decks are so consistent that unless its a flat +1 or better, or says "find exactly your starter", they're too weak to see play.