I am enjoying my 2024 SS950S. But I think I understand why it doesn’t get as much attention. It fills a particular niche. Someone who always dreamed of a Ducati 916 or 998, but wants something modern, reliable, and easy to ride. And doesn’t want to take it to the track, and who doesn’t mind paying a bit more for the brand, the styling, and the premium equipment. It’s got the steel trellis frame, the L-twin, and the single sided swing arm. The 950 looks a lot nicer to me than the previous version. And the S version I think is what you want if you’re already willing to pay extra for a Ducati but don’t need a Panigale. That said, I also invested in grippier footpegs, Rizoma mirrors, levers, and a few other upgrades to complete the premium feel. Some of the OEM parts were less than amazing. But I enjoy customizing my ride so I wanted to do that. I’m very happy with the results. So for some people it just might check all the boxes. But if you ask someone’s opinion of it who spends a lot of time at the track, and who have really pushed race bikes to their limits, well I can see them being lukewarm about it. It’s probably not for everyone, but that shouldn’t put you off if you like the looks of it and just want a nice street bike with a bit of that Ducati style.
It is the Ducati for VFR 800 owners. It is the one Ducati I've been interested in. Went so far as sitting on one at the local dealer. My knee lines up with that sticking out bit of the frame, It was the first model . Maybe they have changed it.
@@SteveMuir most seem to feel that the SuperSport is very comfortable, which is good because that is sort of the whole point of it existing along side the Panigale V2. The fairings have changed from the previous version to the 950. But I think the frame is likely the same, as is the seat. So unless the footpegs have been moved you might have the same result with the 950. I’m 5 ft 7 in. And it fits me almost perfectly so I am guessing you must be quite a bit taller. I have the lowered seat (-20mm) on order now just to see if that helps improve confidence in parking lot maneuvers but it’s not bad at all with the stock seat. Can’t say how it might fit someone over 6 ft in height however. I think it’s worth a try at the dealer however as other things were upgraded since the previous model that are better to see in person; i.e. the fairings, running lights, dashboard.
@@___meph___4547 glad you are finding your SS comfortable also. I got my -20mm seat installed and the difference is minimal but it sure doesn’t hurt. It was good before, even more perfect now. But while testing the lowered seat I was thinking about those caps on the trellis frame - and when deliberately pinching that with my knees I could see how it might annoy someone just a little smaller. I.e. narrower hips, shorter legs might put your knees right where they would bump those. Other than that - to me, the SuperSport is that mythical comfortable sport bike we always wanted. And it does seem to be a bit overlooked by many.
I was at Le Mans last month and was told by an employee of SERT that they are expecting a new model GSXR1000 in 2026. When questioned they assured me this was true, If this is actually true let’s hope they will producing a road going version as well.
I had a Supersport. Rode it to Bologna and back via the Alps, as well as loads of track days and general stuff. Brilliant and I loved the character however having now moved to an S1000R I think the big / super nakeds do most if not all of it better at similar price points IMHO.
As an ex Supersport S owner I can only fully agree. I was very excited during the 6k limit run in about the fireworks to come but turns out there just isn't much there, power starts to fade quite quickly and it's all done by 9k. Maybe it's just me wanting a revvy bike but it was like making a sports car with a diesel engine.
Apparently I'm not the only person who reckons a "GSXR Legacy edition" is a compelling thought. I've been saying it for a while now, good to see the idea gaining traction with others.
I had a 2017 SuperSport S, a really beautiful machine, plenty fast enough for me but I didn't have it long. It really didn't like running under 4000 rpm which made it too fast for my road use. At the same time I had a tuned Bking, just under 200hp, which was fine for town and even commuting. So it wasn't about the power, it was the character of the engine.
The engine is a bit lumpy in low revs so going slow in round abouts and traffic can be a pain and you will be forced to use first gear and slipping the clutch more than you want. I lowered the gearing on my Supersport replacing the 15t front sprocket with a 14t. That makes the bike a lot easier to use in slow traffic.
I test rode the Supersport on a Ducati ride day at its initial launch year. I thought it was under-powered but then again, I had a Panigale 959 at the time.
I agree about the gap in the market for comfortable sports bikes. I currently have a GSX-S 1000F and there's nothing directly inline as the next step. Ninja 1000sx is a sidestep with touring capability so I'm leaning towards an MT10 with a touring screen 🤔
Great video thanks. Electronics does make a bike easier to ride. I rode an 800GS and the air cooled 1200GS at BMW off road skills in Wales. And then when the 1200LC came out I redid my level 1 and I redid the Brecon Beacons Adventure. And the difference was immense. Even though by then I had some experience. When I rode the 800GS it was the biggest bike I've ridden after doing my licence and I was so scared to touch the front brakes. And Walters arena is not easy with the loose gravel. Same when I did the Brecon Beacons adventure on the air cooled 1200GS. Never touched the front brake over the two days in the muddy lanes. Was too scared. But with the ABS on the 1200LC I will never forget being able to slam the front brake on the dirt and the bike just came to a controlled halt. In Spain and Portugal when I rode with them. Sometimes I'd switch off the ABS to learn to brake better. But wheni came to a very steep and rocky downhill section that looked very dodgy. I often switched it back on as I figured I can't afford to get it wrong and break my lower leg which is the most common injury at that school. And then you know you are covered. You had that safety when you thought to yourself it's not worth trying to be a hero here. Let me use the ABS to keep me safe and help me brake and turn when I get to the bottom. In those circumstances it definitely makes a big bike in tricky conditions much easier to ride. Take care and thanks for the video.
The only reason I have an H2SXSE and not a BMW S1000RR is the small fuel tank on the BMW. There are so few petrol stations where I ride in western North America that I'd have to carry a spare gas can with me on nearly every ride. I guess I understand why manufacturers won't give us a usable sport bike, but it's still sad that we have to buy huge heavy bikes just to get a fuel tank larger than 16.5 litres.
Another brilliant vid mate You’ve nearly got me converted to Suzukis 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂who would have thought It’s the one bike I’ve never ever had 🤷♂️😂😂🙌👍
Hi Neevesy, do we need to say we love your vids? Well we all do! Question about euro 6 and emissions in general if motorbikes make up 1% of the road traffic why are we subjected to such stringent emissions laws when most are ridden 4,000 miles a year in general? And then all we do when bike is bought is remove end can/ catalytic converter and replace with full system which has no emission laws as far as I know?! And because of this we have no cool gsxr r1 etc in uk! Seems like using a sledgehammer to crack a very small nut!
Fair comments on the Supersport, I’ve owned one from late last year and it’s perfect for me, the handling is so much better than my old gen 2 Tracer 900gt, I am 65 and have slowed up a bit and I can see it might not have quite enough for the track, it’s a road bike though and as you said it’s plenty for that application.
Regarding the GSXR, Suzuki are STILL MAKING IT for the US market. The 600, 750 and 1000 are all currently available brand new in the US and it's entirely down to a lack of regulation around electronic aids and emissions, both of which have been stamped out in the UK and EU (for better or worse - arguably better where aids are concerned, but emissions is pretty questionable considering how little environmental impact bikes have in Europe).
I suspect there will be an announcement around a Supersport type model before the end of this year. Aside from your comments about the rev range and peak power, the Supersport needs an update with electronic cruise control. As an owner of a properly modified 2013 Multistrada 1200S (brakes/wheels/exhaust), and a 20’ Streetfighter V4S, I’ve been waiting for a compelling reason to pair down to a single machine. I’ve ridden the Pikes Peak V4. It has, in my opinion the same issue as you describe with revs. It tends to blast to its limit in an awkward way. With my 13’ 1200, the rev limit is suited to the grunt of the big twin. It’s softer (than the Pikes Peak) suspension is better suited to public roads, it feels and probably is lighter than v4 pikes peak, gets better mileage, and with Stylema calipers and a brake master cylinder upgrade and forged wheels, it’s sporty enough to hang with many riders on superbikes on the street.
Excellent points on ducati ss . We went for a new multistrada 1200 pp 14-year model. For us, it is two uploaded. That extra power thing, the alps, etc, is ace. Shame, though, if it had the multi back end and the 1200 L twin would have been ace.
Thanks for another enjoyable video Michael and another thumbs up for the Oxley Bom Podcast! You were talking about track days and I have a couple of related questions! Firstly, I only managed two track days this year on my 2023 S1000XR in the middle/inters class so was I was somewhat out of practice. Looking back at my GoPro footage I realised that when it comes to braking for a corner, I do it very much as a road rider i.e. brake in a straight line, loose too much speed and then turn into the corner pretty much after coming off the brakes. How would you suggest someone starts to transition to the style of braking and turning to the apex in one smooth movement, and maintain better corner speed? FYI I'm not good at hanging off a bike, and the seat design of the XR isn't helping! Secondly how the hell do you "pick up the bike" out of corners?? I'm sure this is down to my lack of technique but when I come of out a corner there seems to be nothing I can do to suddenly make the bike go several degrees more vertical! I'm doing a 1.55 at Donington and I'm sure the bike could go around 10 seconds faster with a better rider on it. Cheers!
I’m surprised that Suzuki is still making new colorways for the Gsxr 1000, I thought they were discontinued lol I guess not and makes me happy to buy one eventually
@neevesybikes What if manufacturers made spruced up classics to order on their website? The R&D is mostly done. Only the emissions compliance work required.
Hi Mr Neeves may I ask for your advice on downshifting techniques for track days. I don't have auto blippers, only a slipper clutch. What is a proper brake and downshift sequence for bikes with that setup? When I try to rev match I feel like my fingers on the brake lever is not holding a constant pressure. And about the clutch side, do I still have to slip it or let the slipper clutch do it for me? If I slip every gear gradually wouldn't that make the downshift too slow?
Given the problems you mentioned about riding a street triple rs on track (no wind protection, less weight on the front) would you rather buy the rs for track or buy a daytona 660 and spend the nearly $4k you save (in the US) to buy clipons, rearsets, after market suspension, and tires. Ive been to 2 track days and hope to do 2‐3 a year. I have a 2002 cbr600f4i, and though I occasionally ride it on the street, I am fortunate enough to have a f900r for the daily.
I know you're not asking for my opinion but I'd probably just buy something more focused to start off with if you're considering spending all that coin in the aftermarket. Then again some people get a lot of enjoyment tuning. Seems like people who were familiar with the old triumph Daytona are underwhelmed by the 660 iteration. If I was dead set on taking something to a track why compromise?
I dont like naked bikes where u sit totally up right, u fight the wind as it tries to push u off the bike and sitting upright is tiresome. When u are tilted forward u are carried by the wind instead of fighting the wind. Old school sport bikes have a very acute knee angle, u sit pretty low and the foot pegs are high but on modern sport bikes u sit high up and the knee angle is not that extreme anymore. Often it is better than on many nakeds. The only thing that might be bad is the angle of the brake/clutch levers, instead of them being angled a bit down to follow your arm they usually are tilted a bit too horizontal/parallel to the ground... what... why? On some bikes u cant even tilt them up as then the levers will touch the fairings. my fav bikes for long travels are actually d675 and the older Panigales as I am a shortie, the worst are the upright bikes or the oldschool sportbikes. My friend had an rsv4 and I thought it was the grount-less bike I ever rode, it barly could go up a hill from a standstill, when my old bandit 600 mk2 had no issues nor did my Suzuki 1000 k3, that was a grunty bike. In reality it only needed 6h gear :P
The SuperSport won’t get any more airtime - they’ve stopped making it because the engine doesn’t meet Euro5+. If only Honda made a bike that was halfway between the CBR650R (doesn’t handle) and the CBR600RR (uncomfortable after half an hour).
Ducati SuperSport ? Too slow and too expensive ! Lack of comfort too. The new 900 triple Yamaha ticks a lot of the same boxes for a lot lot better price. And the price of the SS is too close to the V2 Panigale or even 1000cc SBKs without getting zero updates.
Regarding the Street Triple......... for a little money and elbow grease you can convert the older ones to a Daytona. This is what they do for current supersport entries. Triumph needs to sell an official Daytona conversion kit.
Thanks for your time and effort to keep up the schedule. I presume the channel still doesn’t make a lot of revenue, so i really recognise your labour of love. I also appreciate your selflessness when plugging other people’s content just because it is good. Finally , my question : how far do you think Chinese bikes are from competing on equal footing with the rest. On price at least they won already. I’ve already owned 3 chinese bikes and in terms of “value for fun for money” they have been amazing. Greetings from France!
Following on from your comments relating to the Ducati Supersport question, I've had similar thoughts with the Street Triple 765. Having done 50k miles on a 675R and 28k miles on a 765RS over the past 10 years I yearn for a Tuono-esque fairing for additional wind/weather protection. I tour a lot on these types of bike because they're so much fun once you've arrived at your touring destination but the intervening motorway miles are more tiring than they need to be.
Had a 2018 765 RS as my last bike, a terrific machine and the only additions I would’ve liked to make it better for longer journey would’ve been cruise control (available on ‘23-on model) and some form of half-fairing. Now got a ‘22 Tuono V4 (non-Factory), which has both of these features and is an amazing machine, but a little on the tall side for my 28” inside leg! As I get older (51), it seems to be more difficult to find my (near) perfect motorcycle! 🤦♂️😂
I did a 7 hr day on from Ireland over on the ferry and all the way across to Holy Island. I was amazed how comfortable my new 765R was … unless you’re going over 80 when you feel like a sail…
I used to own a 21 ducati supersport s, and absolutely agrees with Neevesy here: people always say it’s a comfortable bike to take to the track once or twice a year, but when you do you run out of revs and power so quickly, i remember coming out of the sweeper at the big willow, willow springs, and the r6 I was playing with would simply walk away from me on the front straight, when I was already against the backstop. so don’t buy it if you are ever interested in going to the track. also the foot pegs were too low and slipper, and if you want to get rearsets you have to take the swing arm pivot out in order to install it (I tried sato racings beautifully anodized rearsets). the seat is also too plush for sporty riding but the factory sport seat fixes that pretty good. In short, lovely bike to bob round town on and the soundtrack is pretty nice, but if you are looking for sport bike that’s relatively comfortable then just get a s1000 as i did, i found the electronic and power and the proper ergonomic gains way outweighs the comfort loss. as an amateur track day go’er, it gives me plenty of power to safely pass people on the straights when i come out of the corner right, so i don’t have to risk playing too closely in the corners.
Hi Neevsey, loving the series. I have a question about new tyres. We were and are still always told to be careful on new tyres (I believe it’s due to the layer of releasing agent on the rubber which needs to be scrubbed off). Is this still true today? My last new rear was fitted a couple of months back and I scrubbed it in within about 40 minutes of fast dual carriage way and a few slip roads and round abouts. I’ve always normally been cautious but soon I’ll need a new front, and I’m throwing the bike around now with more confidence than ever, what you you recommended when it comes to scrubbing in new tyres and is it safer now than it used to be (for example has the process for new tyres evolved to make them safer straight out the packet…so to speak).
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Had the 2017 SSs as well, it was an excellent bike, so much so that it got... Boring. 😅 So I bought an old S4RS and have issues with it on a weekly basis. There's something wrong with me i think Jokes aside, the Supersport is an excellent bike, but i wish they made one with 130/150 bhp version. Ive seen some people fitting it with the engine from the 1200 monster to make the bike "complete". I completely agree with this
Yea the 925 s I had was a great bike, but it had a weird riding position, I put risers on it but it still felt weird, too wristy sure even with risers, I never really liked that aspect, but the engine was solid gold. Fast enough for me and beautiful cornering. Sold it when I lost my job, ho hum. Thanks for a great show Michael.
Great vid as ever. Had a 2017 939 Supersport for 4 years, and absolutely loved it. My newborn daughter was the only good enough reason for selling it (needed money for a car…). I tried a Streetfighter V2 after that and I totally hated the engine. Power is so much up the revs compared to the SS. When you use it properly you are travelling at crazy speed. The SS could get you a warning in court when the SF will bring you to jail. Which makes me think the SS is better for the road. Though I heard rumours of a V4 Supersport. Not the V4 of the Panigale but the one from the Multistrada V4, at around 170 hp. What do you reckon ? Heard about this ? Cheers from France, keep up the good work.
Another great episode. I've always liked the Supersport but I've also always thought it didn't quite have enough power to appeal to a lot of would be customers & the pricing is also wrong. It has about 110bhp but costs a lot & is priced too close to the Panigale V2 imo. Different bikes obviously but not radically so & I think more people went for the Panigale V2 in the end. Supposedly they are making a new Panigale V2 for 2025 with a new engine that replaces both the current Panigale & Supersport. The spy shots look like it might be in-between the two models in terms of power & sportiness etc. Very interested to see what direction they go in.
Hi Micheal, I have a Multistrada 1260 Pikes Peak and a Monster 1200R. Both have top notch parts. Love'm both but for different reasons. However, I may have to settle on one ride in the future. A V4 Supersport with Onlins and Marchesini wheels would do it.
The only real supersport motorcycle I have ever ridden is a 2024 ZX-6R. I rode a 2024 Hayabusa a couple of weeks before that, and I found the Hayabusa wayyy more comfortable than the ZX-6R. I could easily do a euro trip on a Busa, but definitely not on a ZX-6R. Does anyone know how a S1000RR compares to a ZX-6R in terms of tourability? Can't be that different, right? I am 179 cm or 5.87 ft btw.
Re the question at 14.56 of doing a new GSXR K5/K6 and emission standards. Isn't that engine still being sold in the GSX-S1000, GSX-S1000GT, GSX-S1000GX, the A2 compatible GSX-S950 and the Katana? Whether the demand and market is there for a GSXR with that engine is another question.
Hello Neevesy, really enjoy all your highly entertaining and very informative content. Thank You. The vid I've just watched has struck a chord with various comments about quickshifters, autoblippers and analog superbikes......so here's my question..... For the past 25 years I've had completely analog 1000cc sportsbikes, but last year got a Gen4 K67 M Sport, and I'm not really making friends with all of the (new to me) electronics, especially the quickshifter/autoblipper. Upshifts are good, but I struggle with some of the downshifts. Quickshifting down from 6th to 5th, and then to 4th are great, but any further downshifts from 4th makes the bike seem to slam down into the lower gears without any noticeable autoblip happening. It feels exactly like cruelly forcing an analog bike to do a clutchless downshift! I've tried to vary my techniques (i.e. making sure throttle is absolutely fully closed/fast stabs at gear lever/slower more deliberate gear lever operation/the revs at which I'm attempting to downshift etc) but nothing seems to have much effect. I was told correct chain tension can be critical on a quickshifter bike, so I checked (and slightly adjusted) the drive chain, but again no difference. Using the quickshifter down from 4th all seems very mechanically unsympathetic, and makes me cringe......so much so I now tend to use the clutch with a conventional down change from 4th and below. This is my very first experience of using a quickshifter equipped bike, so have nothing else to compare it to. Can you please try to teach this old dog some new tricks by kindly offering any tips or advice on what I'm doing wrong please? Thanks Dooooood, and soz for the long winded question.
Hi Neevsey, I know electronics are on nearly every new bike in some way or another, but as an owner of a lovely 2010 non abs HRC Fireblade and with your recent acquisition being a GXSR750 in mind, my question is. Are there any bikes in recent times, that have electronics but also have that truly analogue feel to them? As i recently had a test ride on a 2024 M1000R and I felt a bit underwhelmed, unlike the rest of the guys at the Motorrad day, they thought it was amazing! I don't know if I just don't get it or if there is something wrong with me, but the BMW just felt synthetic, the throttle tube felt way too light with no real direct connection and the brakes had outstanding power but I couldn't feel pads biting the discs, also the acceleration wasn't as direct and lacked the fizz of the Blade but it was strong. I don't know if this down to refinement or do you think there is there something missing from the feel of modern bikes? p.s I had a test ride on a 2022 Tuono 1100 Factory and I'm gutted to say, I had a similar experience, I so wanted to love it as well. Thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions and for all your excellent content. Trev.
I love the idea of a sports bike derived tourer, that’s not really an ADV bike. I’ve gone to a gen 3 hayabusa, after years on the FJR. With a more upright sitting position, some proper luggage and a tall screen, it would be a brilliant touring bike. That’s how I use it still, but a purpose built version would be amazing. Like a B king with fairings??
Great video Michael. Loved your thoughts about the SS950s - I own one and I use it for my commute and fun rides on a daily basis - two things that it does really well. I usually tell people that this is the “old man’s Panigale” . Ducati supposedly is killing the Supersport when the new Panigale V2 comes out in 2026. Supposedly the new Panigale is going to be a mix of a milder Panigale and a more aggressive Supersport - curious to see how that plays out. Keep up the great work.
I have 8k to spend, have had sv650 3 years and want a bit more power. I can't decide between supersport s, z900 and mt09 ... ideally one that has a good suspenion already. Would like for the odd novice track day and non commuting fun. Any recommendations appricated.
Hi Neevesy, polar opposite of the easy to ride question really, what’s some of the more aggressive sports bikes you’ve ridden? I own a Gen 1 ZX10R C2H and a lot of people call them the widowmakers. How do you rate them?
One of the reasons with the 950 is bikers now seem to want to short shift to 6th and not want to use the gears. Remember how dvt ruined the Ducati 1200 engines? Be in the most responsive gear for the speed people and learn how to ride! Or just bugger off and buy a scooter. You know the type? " I can do 30 in 6th...." these types are ruining biking. We all know it 😢
I know why the ducati supersport is not more praised. Where i live (sweden) it costs over 180’000 SEK which is almost 16000 euros. Way too much money for that bike. For the same price i can get loads of different and better bikes.
Agree with your thoughts on the Duke SS. They should put the outgoing Panigale V2 engine in it and it would be just about perfect. Maybe that’s the plan when the new V2 goes into the 2025 Panigale the SS gets the Superquadro.
Couldn’t agreed more. The SS is the bike that missed the opportunity on greatness. For what it is, it is too expensive, too heavy and underpowered also where is the cruise control? Here in the US the insurance for it costs as much as for a V4 Panigale.
You should seen guy in new Zealand ride busa for Suzuki at wanguni cemetery curcuit he was amazing he cooked the brakes but guy so laid back we talked to after great guy .
IMO the original version of the supersport from 2017 suffered from being ugly and rather cheap-looking (the headlight windscreen area being the worst). I described it at the time as looking like Chinese copy of a Ducati. It was also down on power compared to what people maybe expected. If you can get past the looks though it is great bang for the buck and a true "only" bike candidate. It is strange how a few small changes make a big difference because the 950 Supersport looks great and things like the TFT increase the perceived quality to justify the price tag. Now, they just need to make a version using the Granturismo V4. Too good an engine not to use it in more bikes.
Thanks for all your great content and tips, love you work! On your point, I recently converted my v4s panigale to a streetfighter set up, so kept 80% of fairing with SF bars and rear sets and its amazing. My 50 year old bod can now tour comfortably for hours without being sore but with the bonkers performance of the pani. The money saved on SF trade in paid for an exhaust so it sounds demonic and tuned (222hp atwhp), so much fun, sensory overload...the perfect bike now in my experience 😀
Thanks dude you have answered my question here about the naked vs faired bikes and I can tell by what you are saying the faired is more fun all day long on the track and faster in the straight and also more easier to control at high speeds through the corners with the clip ons and the bike being set up for the race where as the naked bike with the wind resistance of a shed even when tucked in like a 🐢 on cafe racer or streetfighter. The faired race bike vs naked bikes are like tea vs coffee. The same cc engine can boiler the water, but one will stain your teeth and your underpants more.😅 yet both will burn your legs on the exasust if you're squiding it about with flip-flops on. 🎉
When I saw your review of the new blade SP with the split throttle bodies I was thinking it’s a shame we won’t get this engine experience in a reasonable street ergo version. Same old catch, 99% of the people who can afford it are too old to ride it.
Thanks again Michael.Another great and informative video.On the Hayabusa front,I own a 2019 Gen 2 20 year anniversary model of which I hardly get to ride.(a problem in itself) 0:58 Sure is great to look at though.Gotta say it seems to have all the bad traits you mentioned.Throttle a bit twitchy,Heavy etc and I cant corner on it without apprehension every time I turn in.(Any hints greatly appreciated)It does have its OEM tyres which might be an issue.I do love the damned thing but I think a GSXR 750 would actually suit me better.I don't think I could sell my Busa though so will just have to add to the stable sometime.I have taken note of the upcoming Busa love/hate to follow.Looking forward to it. Cheers from South Oz. Ps:We are getting the 2025 GSXR 750 and 1000 here in Australia.We have the 2024's. Are you guys not?
@@neevesybikes Oh those ridiculous regs.I was wondering if this was the case Michael. I would say we are just getting away with having them for now.Cheers.
Another great episode, thanks Neevesy! Been looking for that Oxley Bom podcast about quickshifters but can't find it. Can you help with a link pls. Cheers Scott
The under seat Akra really does make a difference to the lower/mid range of the Ducati Supersport S with cat removed.(never ridden a 950S). Ride my Ducati 899 Panigale(termi with race ecu,Ohlins[R]/Nitron[F]) and Ducati V2 Panigale Bayliss with full Ti Akra in wet mode on the road(some times) and its still fun for just tooling along and not losing your license. 😅. With ohlins suspension professional tuned for weight and road use(not track) I find the 899 and V2 Pani comfortable for 300/400km rides. 😅 Pity the V2 Panigale as we know it is going, but what comes next, could be the 'souped up' Ducati the oldies have been waiting for 😅 I still have an Ohlins shod, 2010 Daytona 675, in case it all ends in tears for Ducati 😂 The Kawasaki ZR900(with Nitron R3 suspension) is one of those easy to ride bikes with bags of power for the road.
Another 25 mins of great information and opinion.. agree totally with the S1000RR choice having had a couple in the past.. bit like a grown up GSXR? keep up the great work. 👍👍👍
I can't argue with the general sum up on the Supersport. Definately not a track bike and compared to most other fully faired bikes it's less exciting at higher rpms. I've had mine for the last 4 years though and for what I appreciate it ticks the boxes better than anything else I could think of: I want to be able to go off for a few days so the touring pack with heated grips and panniers are great; The bike looks good, and the panniers match the styling, which I like; the chuggy low rpm character isn't even a negative in my mind as I spent a lot of time on smoother multi-cylinder bikes and well, it's endearing to me I guess. It handles well and the power (amount and delivery) is spot on for the the types of roads where I live and that I enjoy most 50-60 mph rising/ falling/ twisty B-roads without a lot of fast straights. I haaaate motorways. The ergonomics are about as sporty as I'd want being 64 years old but I can still do several 200+ mile days away and not pay too badly. It's kind of exotic-ish and quirky compared to most bikes but has been dependable. All in all, I can see the truth in the criticisms but for those that this bike suits, it's a very good fit. There was an MCN group test from 2017 or 18 comparing the SS with (if I'm remembering correctly) a ZX1000, Intercepter, and Duc 959. The guy that put a lot of thought into the analysis made a pretty good case for the SS, and come to think of it he looked a lot like you Mr. Neeves :-)
Rumor has it Ducati is combining the SS and Panigale V2 into one bike. Dont forget the Testastretta in the SS used to be a superbike engine (996-1198). Ducati can easily restore top end fizz + 600 level power without the Superquadro's extreme overbore nature & high costs. I'm waiting with baited breath for that bike and the R9.
Enoyed that Neevsey. I watched your MCN vid on your GSXR. One thing, can you ask them blokes to put the subtitling up on their videos please? Us deaf old bikers can't always catch what they're saying. Mind you, can hear you clear as day. Also, you were saying about manufacturers making more comfortable bikes with the sportsbike spec. MV kinda did that with the F4. A couple of years later, they took the fairings off and gave us the mad 750 Brutale (4 cylinder). Still have my 04 750 Brutale. Absolutely love it.
XSR900 GP is super comfy sports bike and retro styled for those of us ('oldies') who cannot enjoy anything hardcore. Inspired by the Schwantz 34 bike of the 90s per your T shirt. Love my new acquisition!!
Thanks for answering Michael, i do agree with you, it could do with a bit more power and revs for the track, just done Anglesey and it was all that was stopping me from moving out of inters, however, it's a better road than track bike, next time im on track I'll take my L2 GSXR 750 😊
I’ve never ridden a Hayabusa (in my opinion it’s too bloated) but I’d have no problem touring on an RR. I have an RR and an XR and the XR is my long distance/crap weather bike but I’d have no probs going distances on the RR. It’s effortless to ride, has cruise so easy to have a little break from the throttle and the riding position is very comfortable for a sports bike. My original forever bike was an FJ1200 back in the 80’s so the XR is a much sportier version of a sports tourer but the RR makes sports bikes accessible to all. I have no problem keeping an eye on my speed with the RR as it has so much feel through the front end whereas I can go silly speeds all too easy in the XR.
Great video ! Regarding the gap in the market for sport bikes with more grunt and comfort, how do you feel about the upcoming KTM 990 RC R and the rumored Yamaha R9 ? I saw the spy shots of the KTM on MCN and the ergonomics look a bit more relaxed than a traditional supersport. It should make supersport-level peak horsepower, with more torque. And since both the 990 duke and MT09 have cruise control now, we can hope the sportbike variants will have it too... With 6 months left until the launch of the KTM (and who knows how long for the Yamaha), do you feel excited for these bikes or do you foresee that they might still not fill the gap, lacking in either comfort or excitement ?
I looked at the supersport 950, it never felt or rode like the asking price. I brought the panigale 959 instead, it felt and rode like the asking price. :) Nothing wrong if people have them, it didn't fit what I wanted though.
Test rode a Supersport when changing from my old 900 Monster. Actually felt like it had less grunt and much more rev happy. Very disappointed to be honest and hoped that Ducati would put the Monster 1200 engine in one day. That would be a bloody awesome bike.
@@neevesybikes No problem, quality content, I've obvs seen you on mcn channel, great to hear you mention the Street Triple 675, I've got the 675 RX and love it. I started a biker YT channel recently, made a video basically paying homage to the RX, and the great value for money the 675 Street Triples are 👍
I started riding on track a few years back at Cadwell Park and thoroughly enjoyed it. Since then I've tried Snetterton, but was a little let down by how flat and disjointed it feels in comparison... Where should I try next? I'd consider options in the EU.
@neevesybikes I think I saw you had your French motorway toll telepeage transmitter attached to your bike with some sticky stuff that looked like blu-tac. Can you tell me what it is, please?
It’s called black tack. Do a google search and you’ll find it. It’s like an industrial strength blu-tak. It comes off cleanly and you can use it again and again 👍
Another well packed variety of a vlog mate 👍🏽🏍😎 would be good one day if you do a Suzuki gsxr 750 masterclass on what to look out for when buying / parts to upgrade and so on Thank you , take it easy mate 👍🏽😎🙏🏽
Another great one Mr Neeves. I agree with your comments re the Supersport. At the time I test rode one, I had a Multi 950s which was great all round. So I was excited to try the SS, but came away with the same opinion you shared here: not quite comfortable enough; not really ideal for two-up; would be better with the V2 Panigale engine; and it needs proper dedicated easy-on easy-off hard bags. I read somewhere that the chassis is from the monster, not sure if that’s true, but a dedicated sport tourer with the above goodies at around 150 hp would be the ticket.
Please foward this episode to suzuki cos i want to live in a world with new rgv250s gsxr1000k5s. Going backwards isnt always a bad thing and they would sell loads like vw beetles and bmw minis do. And they still make and use the k5 engine in there currant range so wouldn't need to worry about euro emissions 😊😊
Question: Last year I bought a Husqvarna 701 SMC, put a luggage rack and an aftermarket comfort seat on it and absolutely love using it for long trips. I had a long GSX-R 750 phase ❤then a KTM 990 SMT, an MT-10 and a Tuono, but this might be my perfect bike. Comfortable, good MPG and ultimate grin factor. A friend has a phrase I love - “they’re Pavarotti in the corners and Rossi on the straights". I don't like to hit 100mph speeds on the road these days but the 701 with its low weight goes round corners like nothing else. And in it's Enduro version it's often touted as a round-the-world bike, so who invented the rule that supermotos can't travel? Clearly I'm a young man (haha) in love but what are your thoughts? Would you tour on a modded 690 SMC like you do on the Superduke?
Your probably better equipped with the 701than I am with my dr650 and I could take mine anywhere. I've thrown every aftermarket thing at it of course including street wheels. Not sure how frequent the service intervals are for a 701 but if you're willing I'm almost sure it can be done ;)
@@gabrieltiso85376k service intervals although an oil change at 3,000 is recommended - in fact oil is the only problem, the tank is very small and needs topping up every few hundred miles. I’m just heading for some mountains on it now!
I have a soft spot for the Ducati SSS. It was my first love back in 2017 when it was pushed to the masses, and I still have that soft spot today for it. I remember revisiting having another back in 2021 and it didn’t have that same feel as I remembered. Plus the price. I have a 25th anniversary hayabusa now and I absolutely love it.
I am enjoying my 2024 SS950S. But I think I understand why it doesn’t get as much attention. It fills a particular niche. Someone who always dreamed of a Ducati 916 or 998, but wants something modern, reliable, and easy to ride. And doesn’t want to take it to the track, and who doesn’t mind paying a bit more for the brand, the styling, and the premium equipment. It’s got the steel trellis frame, the L-twin, and the single sided swing arm.
The 950 looks a lot nicer to me than the previous version. And the S version I think is what you want if you’re already willing to pay extra for a Ducati but don’t need a Panigale. That said, I also invested in grippier footpegs, Rizoma mirrors, levers, and a few other upgrades to complete the premium feel. Some of the OEM parts were less than amazing. But I enjoy customizing my ride so I wanted to do that. I’m very happy with the results.
So for some people it just might check all the boxes. But if you ask someone’s opinion of it who spends a lot of time at the track, and who have really pushed race bikes to their limits, well I can see them being lukewarm about it. It’s probably not for everyone, but that shouldn’t put you off if you like the looks of it and just want a nice street bike with a bit of that Ducati style.
It is the Ducati for VFR 800 owners. It is the one Ducati I've been interested in. Went so far as sitting on one at the local dealer. My knee lines up with that sticking out bit of the frame, It was the first model . Maybe they have changed it.
@@SteveMuir most seem to feel that the SuperSport is very comfortable, which is good because that is sort of the whole point of it existing along side the Panigale V2. The fairings have changed from the previous version to the 950. But I think the frame is likely the same, as is the seat. So unless the footpegs have been moved you might have the same result with the 950. I’m 5 ft 7 in. And it fits me almost perfectly so I am guessing you must be quite a bit taller. I have the lowered seat (-20mm) on order now just to see if that helps improve confidence in parking lot maneuvers but it’s not bad at all with the stock seat. Can’t say how it might fit someone over 6 ft in height however. I think it’s worth a try at the dealer however as other things were upgraded since the previous model that are better to see in person; i.e. the fairings, running lights, dashboard.
@@visualwarp9707 I'm 6' 2" and 225lbs and the SuperSport 950 is a great fit for me. Feels like it was made for me.
@@___meph___4547 glad you are finding your SS comfortable also. I got my -20mm seat installed and the difference is minimal but it sure doesn’t hurt. It was good before, even more perfect now.
But while testing the lowered seat I was thinking about those caps on the trellis frame - and when deliberately pinching that with my knees I could see how it might annoy someone just a little smaller. I.e. narrower hips, shorter legs might put your knees right where they would bump those.
Other than that - to me, the SuperSport is that mythical comfortable sport bike we always wanted. And it does seem to be a bit overlooked by many.
I was at Le Mans last month and was told by an employee of SERT that they are expecting a new model GSXR1000 in 2026. When questioned they assured me this was true, If this is actually true let’s hope they will producing a road going version as well.
Great news this is 🔥🔥🔥
Plot twist
It’s a twin
Brown bear to sugar duck ! Brown bear to sugar duck ! We got high priority intels !
@@TheBli7kriegthat will be a bummer
I had a Supersport. Rode it to Bologna and back via the Alps, as well as loads of track days and general stuff. Brilliant and I loved the character however having now moved to an S1000R I think the big / super nakeds do most if not all of it better at similar price points IMHO.
As an ex Supersport S owner I can only fully agree. I was very excited during the 6k limit run in about the fireworks to come but turns out there just isn't much there, power starts to fade quite quickly and it's all done by 9k. Maybe it's just me wanting a revvy bike but it was like making a sports car with a diesel engine.
Apparently I'm not the only person who reckons a "GSXR Legacy edition" is a compelling thought.
I've been saying it for a while now, good to see the idea gaining traction with others.
I'd like one, but please, not the same fugly face like the recent Suzuki bikes. And with cruise control.
I had a 2017 SuperSport S, a really beautiful machine, plenty fast enough for me but I didn't have it long. It really didn't like running under 4000 rpm which made it too fast for my road use. At the same time I had a tuned Bking, just under 200hp, which was fine for town and even commuting. So it wasn't about the power, it was the character of the engine.
The engine is a bit lumpy in low revs so going slow in round abouts and traffic can be a pain and you will be forced to use first gear and slipping the clutch more than you want. I lowered the gearing on my Supersport replacing the 15t front sprocket with a 14t. That makes the bike a lot easier to use in slow traffic.
I love my Suzukis. Always have, always will.
I test rode the Supersport on a Ducati ride day at its initial launch year. I thought it was under-powered but then again, I had a Panigale 959 at the time.
I agree about the gap in the market for comfortable sports bikes. I currently have a GSX-S 1000F and there's nothing directly inline as the next step. Ninja 1000sx is a sidestep with touring capability so I'm leaning towards an MT10 with a touring screen 🤔
Great video thanks. Electronics does make a bike easier to ride. I rode an 800GS and the air cooled 1200GS at BMW off road skills in Wales. And then when the 1200LC came out I redid my level 1 and I redid the Brecon Beacons Adventure. And the difference was immense. Even though by then I had some experience. When I rode the 800GS it was the biggest bike I've ridden after doing my licence and I was so scared to touch the front brakes. And Walters arena is not easy with the loose gravel. Same when I did the Brecon Beacons adventure on the air cooled 1200GS. Never touched the front brake over the two days in the muddy lanes. Was too scared. But with the ABS on the 1200LC I will never forget being able to slam the front brake on the dirt and the bike just came to a controlled halt. In Spain and Portugal when I rode with them. Sometimes I'd switch off the ABS to learn to brake better. But wheni came to a very steep and rocky downhill section that looked very dodgy. I often switched it back on as I figured I can't afford to get it wrong and break my lower leg which is the most common injury at that school. And then you know you are covered. You had that safety when you thought to yourself it's not worth trying to be a hero here. Let me use the ABS to keep me safe and help me brake and turn when I get to the bottom. In those circumstances it definitely makes a big bike in tricky conditions much easier to ride. Take care and thanks for the video.
BIG love for the oxley bom podcast! if i see them at sepang this year i'm buying them several beers for sure.
The only reason I have an H2SXSE and not a BMW S1000RR is the small fuel tank on the BMW. There are so few petrol stations where I ride in western North America that I'd have to carry a spare gas can with me on nearly every ride. I guess I understand why manufacturers won't give us a usable sport bike, but it's still sad that we have to buy huge heavy bikes just to get a fuel tank larger than 16.5 litres.
With the Kwaki comes not only better range, but by fare superior reliability 💚
That was an awesome explanation of suspension. You have to ride hard enough to make it feel soft. Guru level knowledge there.
Another brilliant vid mate
You’ve nearly got me converted to Suzukis 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂who would have thought
It’s the one bike I’ve never ever had 🤷♂️😂😂🙌👍
Morning Neevsey
Love these videos!
What a great way to start the day...
Cheers
Lee
No worries, thanks for watching! 👍
Ducati Super Sport with V4 engine would be sweet to have :)
Hi Neevesy, do we need to say we love your vids? Well we all do! Question about euro 6 and emissions in general if motorbikes make up 1% of the road traffic why are we subjected to such stringent emissions laws when most are ridden 4,000 miles a year in general? And then all we do when bike is bought is remove end can/ catalytic converter and replace with full system which has no emission laws as far as I know?! And because of this we have no cool gsxr r1 etc in uk! Seems like using a sledgehammer to crack a very small nut!
Fair comments on the Supersport, I’ve owned one from late last year and it’s perfect for me, the handling is so much better than my old gen 2 Tracer 900gt, I am 65 and have slowed up a bit and I can see it might not have quite enough for the track, it’s a road bike though and as you said it’s plenty for that application.
Regarding the GSXR, Suzuki are STILL MAKING IT for the US market. The 600, 750 and 1000 are all currently available brand new in the US and it's entirely down to a lack of regulation around electronic aids and emissions, both of which have been stamped out in the UK and EU (for better or worse - arguably better where aids are concerned, but emissions is pretty questionable considering how little environmental impact bikes have in Europe).
I suspect there will be an announcement around a Supersport type model before the end of this year.
Aside from your comments about the rev range and peak power, the Supersport needs an update with electronic cruise control.
As an owner of a properly modified 2013 Multistrada 1200S (brakes/wheels/exhaust), and a 20’ Streetfighter V4S, I’ve been waiting for a compelling reason to pair down to a single machine.
I’ve ridden the Pikes Peak V4. It has, in my opinion the same issue as you describe with revs. It tends to blast to its limit in an awkward way.
With my 13’ 1200, the rev limit is suited to the grunt of the big twin. It’s softer (than the Pikes Peak) suspension is better suited to public roads, it feels and probably is lighter than v4 pikes peak, gets better mileage, and with Stylema calipers and a brake master cylinder upgrade and forged wheels, it’s sporty enough to hang with many riders on superbikes on the street.
Sounds like you’re describing your ideal bike as a Tuono V4 Factory. Full race bike with bars and cruise control 😉
Excellent points on ducati ss . We went for a new multistrada 1200 pp 14-year model. For us, it is two uploaded. That extra power thing, the alps, etc, is ace. Shame, though, if it had the multi back end and the 1200 L twin would have been ace.
Thanks for another enjoyable video Michael and another thumbs up for the Oxley Bom Podcast! You were talking about track days and I have a couple of related questions! Firstly, I only managed two track days this year on my 2023 S1000XR in the middle/inters class so was I was somewhat out of practice. Looking back at my GoPro footage I realised that when it comes to braking for a corner, I do it very much as a road rider i.e. brake in a straight line, loose too much speed and then turn into the corner pretty much after coming off the brakes. How would you suggest someone starts to transition to the style of braking and turning to the apex in one smooth movement, and maintain better corner speed? FYI I'm not good at hanging off a bike, and the seat design of the XR isn't helping! Secondly how the hell do you "pick up the bike" out of corners?? I'm sure this is down to my lack of technique but when I come of out a corner there seems to be nothing I can do to suddenly make the bike go several degrees more vertical! I'm doing a 1.55 at Donington and I'm sure the bike could go around 10 seconds faster with a better rider on it. Cheers!
Sounds like you need some one-to-one instruction!
@@neevesybikes Now there's a thought 🤔😁
I’m surprised that Suzuki is still making new colorways for the Gsxr 1000, I thought they were discontinued lol I guess not and makes me happy to buy one eventually
@neevesybikes What if manufacturers made spruced up classics to order on their website? The R&D is mostly done. Only the emissions compliance work required.
Hi Mr Neeves may I ask for your advice on downshifting techniques for track days. I don't have auto blippers, only a slipper clutch. What is a proper brake and downshift sequence for bikes with that setup? When I try to rev match I feel like my fingers on the brake lever is not holding a constant pressure. And about the clutch side, do I still have to slip it or let the slipper clutch do it for me? If I slip every gear gradually wouldn't that make the downshift too slow?
Great stuff. 👍
Given the problems you mentioned about riding a street triple rs on track (no wind protection, less weight on the front) would you rather buy the rs for track or buy a daytona 660 and spend the nearly $4k you save (in the US) to buy clipons, rearsets, after market suspension, and tires. Ive been to 2 track days and hope to do 2‐3 a year. I have a 2002 cbr600f4i, and though I occasionally ride it on the street, I am fortunate enough to have a f900r for the daily.
I know you're not asking for my opinion but I'd probably just buy something more focused to start off with if you're considering spending all that coin in the aftermarket. Then again some people get a lot of enjoyment tuning.
Seems like people who were familiar with the old triumph Daytona are underwhelmed by the 660 iteration. If I was dead set on taking something to a track why compromise?
What about the GSX-S1000GT as a comfortable sports bike. I think it ticks a lot of the boxes
@@deanfullford8820 it’s very good, but a lot more touring, than sports. Suzuki have cut a lot of corners with the chassis parts, too.
Why is no-one asking why Michael turned into a meerkat at 18.41?
😄😄😄
I dont like naked bikes where u sit totally up right, u fight the wind as it tries to push u off the bike and sitting upright is tiresome. When u are tilted forward u are carried by the wind instead of fighting the wind. Old school sport bikes have a very acute knee angle, u sit pretty low and the foot pegs are high but on modern sport bikes u sit high up and the knee angle is not that extreme anymore. Often it is better than on many nakeds. The only thing that might be bad is the angle of the brake/clutch levers, instead of them being angled a bit down to follow your arm they usually are tilted a bit too horizontal/parallel to the ground... what... why? On some bikes u cant even tilt them up as then the levers will touch the fairings.
my fav bikes for long travels are actually d675 and the older Panigales as I am a shortie, the worst are the upright bikes or the oldschool sportbikes.
My friend had an rsv4 and I thought it was the grount-less bike I ever rode, it barly could go up a hill from a standstill, when my old bandit 600 mk2 had no issues nor did my Suzuki 1000 k3, that was a grunty bike. In reality it only needed 6h gear :P
This is very much a different comment. In your past experiences have you ever met John Ulrich from Road racing World? Just curious.
I haven’t, but I’ve done a few launches with Chris. Nice chap…and rapid!
@@neevesybikes That's just as good chatting with Chris!!
The triumph is proving very unreliable in New Zealand.
15k miles and they drop valves.
Road use or track.
The SuperSport won’t get any more airtime - they’ve stopped making it because the engine doesn’t meet Euro5+. If only Honda made a bike that was halfway between the CBR650R (doesn’t handle) and the CBR600RR (uncomfortable after half an hour).
Ducati SuperSport ?
Too slow and too expensive !
Lack of comfort too.
The new 900 triple Yamaha ticks a lot of the same boxes for a lot lot better price.
And the price of the SS is too close to the V2 Panigale or even 1000cc SBKs without getting zero updates.
Regarding the Street Triple......... for a little money and elbow grease you can convert the older ones to a Daytona. This is what they do for current supersport entries. Triumph needs to sell an official Daytona conversion kit.
Thanks for your time and effort to keep up the schedule. I presume the channel still doesn’t make a lot of revenue, so i really recognise your labour of love. I also appreciate your selflessness when plugging other people’s content just because it is good. Finally , my question : how far do you think Chinese bikes are from competing on equal footing with the rest. On price at least they won already. I’ve already owned 3 chinese bikes and in terms of “value for fun for money” they have been amazing. Greetings from France!
My Interceptor 1000 that I bought new in 1984 is just perfect for road riding. Never gonna let it go...!
I agree with your thoughts on Superbikes but o ride a ZZR1400 and previous a Hayabusa . Perfect power and super comfy and carry luggage no problem .
Following on from your comments relating to the Ducati Supersport question, I've had similar thoughts with the Street Triple 765. Having done 50k miles on a 675R and 28k miles on a 765RS over the past 10 years I yearn for a Tuono-esque fairing for additional wind/weather protection.
I tour a lot on these types of bike because they're so much fun once you've arrived at your touring destination but the intervening motorway miles are more tiring than they need to be.
Had a 2018 765 RS as my last bike, a terrific machine and the only additions I would’ve liked to make it better for longer journey would’ve been cruise control (available on ‘23-on model) and some form of half-fairing. Now got a ‘22 Tuono V4 (non-Factory), which has both of these features and is an amazing machine, but a little on the tall side for my 28” inside leg! As I get older (51), it seems to be more difficult to find my (near) perfect motorcycle! 🤦♂️😂
I did a 7 hr day on from Ireland over on the ferry and all the way across to Holy Island. I was amazed how comfortable my new 765R was … unless you’re going over 80 when you feel like a sail…
I used to own a 21 ducati supersport s, and absolutely agrees with Neevesy here: people always say it’s a comfortable bike to take to the track once or twice a year, but when you do you run out of revs and power so quickly, i remember coming out of the sweeper at the big willow, willow springs, and the r6 I was playing with would simply walk away from me on the front straight, when I was already against the backstop. so don’t buy it if you are ever interested in going to the track. also the foot pegs were too low and slipper, and if you want to get rearsets you have to take the swing arm pivot out in order to install it (I tried sato racings beautifully anodized rearsets). the seat is also too plush for sporty riding but the factory sport seat fixes that pretty good. In short, lovely bike to bob round town on and the soundtrack is pretty nice, but if you are looking for sport bike that’s relatively comfortable then just get a s1000 as i did, i found the electronic and power and the proper ergonomic gains way outweighs the comfort loss. as an amateur track day go’er, it gives me plenty of power to safely pass people on the straights when i come out of the corner right, so i don’t have to risk playing too closely in the corners.
Hi Neevsey, loving the series. I have a question about new tyres. We were and are still always told to be careful on new tyres (I believe it’s due to the layer of releasing agent on the rubber which needs to be scrubbed off). Is this still true today? My last new rear was fitted a couple of months back and I scrubbed it in within about 40 minutes of fast dual carriage way and a few slip roads and round abouts. I’ve always normally been cautious but soon I’ll need a new front, and I’m throwing the bike around now with more confidence than ever, what you you recommended when it comes to scrubbing in new tyres and is it safer now than it used to be (for example has the process for new tyres evolved to make them safer straight out the packet…so to speak).
What would be nice in 2025 is some neevesybikes 👕 t-shirts 👚 🤔 like that picture on the wall behind you 😍 Let’s go 💪🏻😎☝🏻 it would be so Cool. Love the videos 👍🏻
Mmm…not a bad idea!
Had the 2017 SSs as well, it was an excellent bike, so much so that it got... Boring. 😅 So I bought an old S4RS and have issues with it on a weekly basis. There's something wrong with me i think
Jokes aside, the Supersport is an excellent bike, but i wish they made one with 130/150 bhp version. Ive seen some people fitting it with the engine from the 1200 monster to make the bike "complete". I completely agree with this
Yea the 925 s I had was a great bike, but it had a weird riding position, I put risers on it but it still felt weird, too wristy sure even with risers, I never really liked that aspect, but the engine was solid gold. Fast enough for me and beautiful cornering. Sold it when I lost my job, ho hum. Thanks for a great show Michael.
Thanks for these videos Neevesy, kind of feels like we are in trustworthy hands listening to your thoughts and advice! 🙏
Great vid as ever. Had a 2017 939 Supersport for 4 years, and absolutely loved it. My newborn daughter was the only good enough reason for selling it (needed money for a car…).
I tried a Streetfighter V2 after that and I totally hated the engine. Power is so much up the revs compared to the SS. When you use it properly you are travelling at crazy speed. The SS could get you a warning in court when the SF will bring you to jail. Which makes me think the SS is better for the road.
Though I heard rumours of a V4 Supersport. Not the V4 of the Panigale but the one from the Multistrada V4, at around 170 hp. What do you reckon ? Heard about this ?
Cheers from France, keep up the good work.
Another great episode. I've always liked the Supersport but I've also always thought it didn't quite have enough power to appeal to a lot of would be customers & the pricing is also wrong. It has about 110bhp but costs a lot & is priced too close to the Panigale V2 imo. Different bikes obviously but not radically so & I think more people went for the Panigale V2 in the end. Supposedly they are making a new Panigale V2 for 2025 with a new engine that replaces both the current Panigale & Supersport. The spy shots look like it might be in-between the two models in terms of power & sportiness etc. Very interested to see what direction they go in.
Hi Micheal, I have a Multistrada 1260 Pikes Peak and a Monster 1200R. Both have top notch parts. Love'm both but for different reasons.
However, I may have to settle on one ride in the future. A V4 Supersport with Onlins and Marchesini wheels would do it.
The only real supersport motorcycle I have ever ridden is a 2024 ZX-6R. I rode a 2024 Hayabusa a couple of weeks before that, and I found the Hayabusa wayyy more comfortable than the ZX-6R.
I could easily do a euro trip on a Busa, but definitely not on a ZX-6R.
Does anyone know how a S1000RR compares to a ZX-6R in terms of tourability? Can't be that different, right?
I am 179 cm or 5.87 ft btw.
Re the question at 14.56 of doing a new GSXR K5/K6 and emission standards. Isn't that engine still being sold in the GSX-S1000, GSX-S1000GT, GSX-S1000GX, the A2 compatible GSX-S950 and the Katana? Whether the demand and market is there for a GSXR with that engine is another question.
Maybe a Tuono with some raised clip-ons like the ones on the 950 supersport..
Hello Neevesy, really enjoy all your highly entertaining and very informative content. Thank You.
The vid I've just watched has struck a chord with various comments about quickshifters, autoblippers and analog superbikes......so here's my question.....
For the past 25 years I've had completely analog 1000cc sportsbikes, but last year got a Gen4 K67 M Sport, and I'm not really making friends with all of the (new to me) electronics, especially the quickshifter/autoblipper. Upshifts are good, but I struggle with some of the downshifts. Quickshifting down from 6th to 5th, and then to 4th are great, but any further downshifts from 4th makes the bike seem to slam down into the lower gears without any noticeable autoblip happening. It feels exactly like cruelly forcing an analog bike to do a clutchless downshift!
I've tried to vary my techniques (i.e. making sure throttle is absolutely fully closed/fast stabs at gear lever/slower more deliberate gear lever operation/the revs at which I'm attempting to downshift etc) but nothing seems to have much effect. I was told correct chain tension can be critical on a quickshifter bike, so I checked (and slightly adjusted) the drive chain, but again no difference.
Using the quickshifter down from 4th all seems very mechanically unsympathetic, and makes me cringe......so much so I now tend to use the clutch with a conventional down change from 4th and below.
This is my very first experience of using a quickshifter equipped bike, so have nothing else to compare it to. Can you please try to teach this old dog some new tricks by kindly offering any tips or advice on what I'm doing wrong please?
Thanks Dooooood, and soz for the long winded question.
Hi Neevsey,
I know electronics are on nearly every new bike in some way or another, but as an owner of a lovely 2010 non abs HRC Fireblade and with your recent acquisition being a GXSR750 in mind, my question is. Are there any bikes in recent times, that have electronics but also have that truly analogue feel to them? As i recently had a test ride on a 2024 M1000R and I felt a bit underwhelmed, unlike the rest of the guys at the Motorrad day, they thought it was amazing! I don't know if I just don't get it or if there is something wrong with me, but the BMW just felt synthetic, the throttle tube felt way too light with no real direct connection and the brakes had outstanding power but I couldn't feel pads biting the discs, also the acceleration wasn't as direct and lacked the fizz of the Blade but it was strong. I don't know if this down to refinement or do you think there is there something missing from the feel of modern bikes?
p.s I had a test ride on a 2022 Tuono 1100 Factory and I'm gutted to say, I had a similar experience, I so wanted to love it as well.
Thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions and for all your excellent content.
Trev.
I love the idea of a sports bike derived tourer, that’s not really an ADV bike. I’ve gone to a gen 3 hayabusa, after years on the FJR. With a more upright sitting position, some proper luggage and a tall screen, it would be a brilliant touring bike. That’s how I use it still, but a purpose built version would be amazing. Like a B king with fairings??
Great video Michael. Loved your thoughts about the SS950s - I own one and I use it for my commute and fun rides on a daily basis - two things that it does really well. I usually tell people that this is the “old man’s Panigale” .
Ducati supposedly is killing the Supersport when the new Panigale V2 comes out in 2026. Supposedly the new Panigale is going to be a mix of a milder Panigale and a more aggressive Supersport - curious to see how that plays out.
Keep up the great work.
I have 8k to spend, have had sv650 3 years and want a bit more power. I can't decide between supersport s, z900 and mt09 ... ideally one that has a good suspenion already.
Would like for the odd novice track day and non commuting fun. Any recommendations appricated.
Hi Neevesy, polar opposite of the easy to ride question really, what’s some of the more aggressive sports bikes you’ve ridden? I own a Gen 1 ZX10R C2H and a lot of people call them the widowmakers. How do you rate them?
One of the reasons with the 950 is bikers now seem to want to short shift to 6th and not want to use the gears. Remember how dvt ruined the Ducati 1200 engines? Be in the most responsive gear for the speed people and learn how to ride! Or just bugger off and buy a scooter. You know the type? " I can do 30 in 6th...." these types are ruining biking. We all know it 😢
I know why the ducati supersport is not more praised.
Where i live (sweden) it costs over 180’000 SEK which is almost 16000 euros. Way too much money for that bike. For the same price i can get loads of different and better bikes.
Agree with your thoughts on the Duke SS. They should put the outgoing Panigale V2 engine in it and it would be just about perfect. Maybe that’s the plan when the new V2 goes into the 2025 Panigale the SS gets the Superquadro.
Couldn’t agreed more. The SS is the bike that missed the opportunity on greatness. For what it is, it is too expensive, too heavy and underpowered also where is the cruise control? Here in the US the insurance for it costs as much as for a V4 Panigale.
Supersport should have had to old 1260 motor. THAT would be a proper Ducati sports touring machine.
If you have a late model GSX1000, You are already on a K5, K6. Albeit with modern electronics.
I love the VFR800 (and 750). A modern IL4 version of this would be great
I think a vfr 1000 would be the sweat spot the 12 is to heavy and the 800 just needs a touch more grunt for the fun rides in my opinion. Id buy one.😊
@@thecornishbiker9323 100% agree. Honda has plenty of 1000c options they could use. I'd buy one too 😍
You should seen guy in new Zealand ride busa for Suzuki at wanguni cemetery curcuit he was amazing he cooked the brakes but guy so laid back we talked to after great guy .
They need a modern version but keep it V4, it’s the heart of the bike.
@@RoeyHaviv like a blackbird but lighter with a v4. Perfect
It's a Monster with fairings ... pass.
GREAT SHOW
IMO the original version of the supersport from 2017 suffered from being ugly and rather cheap-looking (the headlight windscreen area being the worst). I described it at the time as looking like Chinese copy of a Ducati.
It was also down on power compared to what people maybe expected.
If you can get past the looks though it is great bang for the buck and a true "only" bike candidate.
It is strange how a few small changes make a big difference because the 950 Supersport looks great and things like the TFT increase the perceived quality to justify the price tag.
Now, they just need to make a version using the Granturismo V4. Too good an engine not to use it in more bikes.
Thanks for all your great content and tips, love you work!
On your point, I recently converted my v4s panigale to a streetfighter set up, so kept 80% of fairing with SF bars and rear sets and its amazing. My 50 year old bod can now tour comfortably for hours without being sore but with the bonkers performance of the pani. The money saved on SF trade in paid for an exhaust so it sounds demonic and tuned (222hp atwhp), so much fun, sensory overload...the perfect bike now in my experience 😀
Thanks dude you have answered my question here about the naked vs faired bikes and I can tell by what you are saying the faired is more fun all day long on the track and faster in the straight and also more easier to control at high speeds through the corners with the clip ons and the bike being set up for the race where as the naked bike with the wind resistance of a shed even when tucked in like a 🐢 on cafe racer or streetfighter. The faired race bike vs naked bikes are like tea vs coffee. The same cc engine can boiler the water, but one will stain your teeth and your underpants more.😅 yet both will burn your legs on the exasust if you're squiding it about with flip-flops on. 🎉
When I saw your review of the new blade SP with the split throttle bodies I was thinking it’s a shame we won’t get this engine experience in a reasonable street ergo version. Same old catch, 99% of the people who can afford it are too old to ride it.
Thanks again Michael.Another great and informative video.On the Hayabusa front,I own a 2019 Gen 2 20 year anniversary model of which I hardly get to ride.(a problem in itself) 0:58 Sure is great to look at though.Gotta say it seems to have all the bad traits you mentioned.Throttle a bit twitchy,Heavy etc and I cant corner on it without apprehension every time I turn in.(Any hints greatly appreciated)It does have its OEM tyres which might be an issue.I do love the damned thing but I think a GSXR 750 would actually suit me better.I don't think I could sell my Busa though so will just have to add to the stable sometime.I have taken note of the upcoming Busa love/hate to follow.Looking forward to it.
Cheers from South Oz.
Ps:We are getting the 2025 GSXR 750 and 1000 here in Australia.We have the 2024's.
Are you guys not?
Unfortunately not. Euro regs killed them off...
@@neevesybikes Oh those ridiculous regs.I was wondering if this was the case Michael.
I would say we are just getting away with having them for now.Cheers.
Another great episode, thanks Neevesy! Been looking for that Oxley Bom podcast about quickshifters but can't find it. Can you help with a link pls. Cheers Scott
Here you go: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/oxley-bom-motogp-podcast/id1687108285?i=1000663605030
Top man, thanks!
The under seat Akra really does make a difference to the lower/mid range of the Ducati Supersport S with cat removed.(never ridden a 950S).
Ride my Ducati 899 Panigale(termi with race ecu,Ohlins[R]/Nitron[F]) and Ducati V2 Panigale Bayliss with full Ti Akra in wet mode on the road(some times) and its still fun for just tooling along and not losing your license. 😅. With ohlins suspension professional tuned for weight and road use(not track) I find the 899 and V2 Pani comfortable for 300/400km rides. 😅
Pity the V2 Panigale as we know it is going, but what comes next, could be the 'souped up' Ducati the oldies have been waiting for 😅
I still have an Ohlins shod, 2010 Daytona 675, in case it all ends in tears for Ducati 😂
The Kawasaki ZR900(with Nitron R3 suspension) is one of those easy to ride bikes with bags of power for the road.
Another 25 mins of great information and opinion.. agree totally with the S1000RR choice having had a couple in the past.. bit like a grown up GSXR? keep up the great work. 👍👍👍
I can't argue with the general sum up on the Supersport. Definately not a track bike and compared to most other fully faired bikes it's less exciting at higher rpms. I've had mine for the last 4 years though and for what I appreciate it ticks the boxes better than anything else I could think of: I want to be able to go off for a few days so the touring pack with heated grips and panniers are great; The bike looks good, and the panniers match the styling, which I like; the chuggy low rpm character isn't even a negative in my mind as I spent a lot of time on smoother multi-cylinder bikes and well, it's endearing to me I guess. It handles well and the power (amount and delivery) is spot on for the the types of roads where I live and that I enjoy most 50-60 mph rising/ falling/ twisty B-roads without a lot of fast straights. I haaaate motorways. The ergonomics are about as sporty as I'd want being 64 years old but I can still do several 200+ mile days away and not pay too badly. It's kind of exotic-ish and quirky compared to most bikes but has been dependable. All in all, I can see the truth in the criticisms but for those that this bike suits, it's a very good fit.
There was an MCN group test from 2017 or 18 comparing the SS with (if I'm remembering correctly) a ZX1000, Intercepter, and Duc 959. The guy that put a lot of thought into the analysis made a pretty good case for the SS, and come to think of it he looked a lot like you Mr. Neeves :-)
Rumor has it Ducati is combining the SS and Panigale V2 into one bike. Dont forget the Testastretta in the SS used to be a superbike engine (996-1198). Ducati can easily restore top end fizz + 600 level power without the Superquadro's extreme overbore nature & high costs. I'm waiting with baited breath for that bike and the R9.
Enoyed that Neevsey. I watched your MCN vid on your GSXR. One thing, can you ask them blokes to put the subtitling up on their videos please? Us deaf old bikers can't always catch what they're saying. Mind you, can hear you clear as day.
Also, you were saying about manufacturers making more comfortable bikes with the sportsbike spec. MV kinda did that with the F4. A couple of years later, they took the fairings off and gave us the mad 750 Brutale (4 cylinder). Still have my 04 750 Brutale. Absolutely love it.
XSR900 GP is super comfy sports bike and retro styled for those of us ('oldies') who cannot enjoy anything hardcore. Inspired by the Schwantz 34 bike of the 90s per your T shirt. Love my new acquisition!!
Thanks for answering Michael, i do agree with you, it could do with a bit more power and revs for the track, just done Anglesey and it was all that was stopping me from moving out of inters, however, it's a better road than track bike, next time im on track I'll take my L2 GSXR 750 😊
I’ve never ridden a Hayabusa (in my opinion it’s too bloated) but I’d have no problem touring on an RR. I have an RR and an XR and the XR is my long distance/crap weather bike but I’d have no probs going distances on the RR. It’s effortless to ride, has cruise so easy to have a little break from the throttle and the riding position is very comfortable for a sports bike. My original forever bike was an FJ1200 back in the 80’s so the XR is a much sportier version of a sports tourer but the RR makes sports bikes accessible to all. I have no problem keeping an eye on my speed with the RR as it has so much feel through the front end whereas I can go silly speeds all too easy in the XR.
Great video !
Regarding the gap in the market for sport bikes with more grunt and comfort, how do you feel about the upcoming KTM 990 RC R and the rumored Yamaha R9 ? I saw the spy shots of the KTM on MCN and the ergonomics look a bit more relaxed than a traditional supersport. It should make supersport-level peak horsepower, with more torque.
And since both the 990 duke and MT09 have cruise control now, we can hope the sportbike variants will have it too...
With 6 months left until the launch of the KTM (and who knows how long for the Yamaha), do you feel excited for these bikes or do you foresee that they might still not fill the gap, lacking in either comfort or excitement ?
I looked at the supersport 950, it never felt or rode like the asking price. I brought the panigale 959 instead, it felt and rode like the asking price. :) Nothing wrong if people have them, it didn't fit what I wanted though.
Test rode a Supersport when changing from my old 900 Monster. Actually felt like it had less grunt and much more rev happy. Very disappointed to be honest and hoped that Ducati would put the Monster 1200 engine in one day. That would be a bloody awesome bike.
First watch of your channel, awesome video, subscribed for future vids 👍🏼
@@MotoBikerMike excellent, thank you, mate 😊👍
@@neevesybikes No problem, quality content, I've obvs seen you on mcn channel, great to hear you mention the Street Triple 675, I've got the 675 RX and love it. I started a biker YT channel recently, made a video basically paying homage to the RX, and the great value for money the 675 Street Triples are 👍
Ao comfortable Panigale is exactly what is needed. Never heard anyone suggest this but spot on suggestion,
I started riding on track a few years back at Cadwell Park and thoroughly enjoyed it. Since then I've tried Snetterton, but was a little let down by how flat and disjointed it feels in comparison... Where should I try next? I'd consider options in the EU.
@neevesybikes I think I saw you had your French motorway toll telepeage transmitter attached to your bike with some sticky stuff that looked like blu-tac. Can you tell me what it is, please?
It’s called black tack. Do a google search and you’ll find it. It’s like an industrial strength blu-tak. It comes off cleanly and you can use it again and again 👍
@@neevesybikes Thank you. I'll look into it.
Another well packed variety of a vlog mate 👍🏽🏍😎 would be good one day if you do a Suzuki gsxr 750 masterclass on what to look out for when buying / parts to upgrade and so on Thank you , take it easy mate 👍🏽😎🙏🏽
Another great one Mr Neeves.
I agree with your comments re the Supersport. At the time I test rode one, I had a Multi 950s which was great all round. So I was excited to try the SS, but came away with the same opinion you shared here: not quite comfortable enough; not really ideal for two-up; would be better with the V2 Panigale engine; and it needs proper dedicated easy-on easy-off hard bags. I read somewhere that the chassis is from the monster, not sure if that’s true, but a dedicated sport tourer with the above goodies at around 150 hp would be the ticket.
Please foward this episode to suzuki cos i want to live in a world with new rgv250s gsxr1000k5s. Going backwards isnt always a bad thing and they would sell loads like vw beetles and bmw minis do. And they still make and use the k5 engine in there currant range so wouldn't need to worry about euro emissions 😊😊
Ooo, the teased video about a track modded and prepped Hyabusa sounds interesting, looking forward to watching that!
Question: Last year I bought a Husqvarna 701 SMC, put a luggage rack and an aftermarket comfort seat on it and absolutely love using it for long trips. I had a long GSX-R 750 phase ❤then a KTM 990 SMT, an MT-10 and a Tuono, but this might be my perfect bike. Comfortable, good MPG and ultimate grin factor.
A friend has a phrase I love - “they’re Pavarotti in the corners and Rossi on the straights". I don't like to hit 100mph speeds on the road these days but the 701 with its low weight goes round corners like nothing else. And in it's Enduro version it's often touted as a round-the-world bike, so who invented the rule that supermotos can't travel?
Clearly I'm a young man (haha) in love but what are your thoughts? Would you tour on a modded 690 SMC like you do on the Superduke?
Your probably better equipped with the 701than I am with my dr650 and I could take mine anywhere. I've thrown every aftermarket thing at it of course including street wheels.
Not sure how frequent the service intervals are for a 701 but if you're willing I'm almost sure it can be done ;)
@@gabrieltiso85376k service intervals although an oil change at 3,000 is recommended - in fact oil is the only problem, the tank is very small and needs topping up every few hundred miles. I’m just heading for some mountains on it now!
@@andrewjamesrichard all it needs is an aftermarket fuel tank and your gtg. Would love to demo one sometime. Happy riding 🤙
@@gabrieltiso8537Thanks - and I guarantee you’d love it 😁
I have a soft spot for the Ducati SSS. It was my first love back in 2017 when it was pushed to the masses, and I still have that soft spot today for it. I remember revisiting having another back in 2021 and it didn’t have that same feel as I remembered. Plus the price. I have a 25th anniversary hayabusa now and I absolutely love it.
Ooo! Neevsey caning a sorted Busa round Donnington? Yes please 😀
Appreciate the Oxley Bom recommendation
Thanx for the great reviews, keep it up ❤
How about a BMW R 1250 RS?
Fantastic bike, but very much has the feel of a tourer. I love ‘em.
@@neevesybikes Probably could lose a few pounds.
Another great video.
Another great vid 👌