Helmets: The Armet
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Today we take a look at my second favorite helmet, the armet; from its early form in the beginning of the 15th century to the most typical late 15th century styling.
1403 Effigy depicting an armet in Italy in the style of the CH57:
effigiesandbrasses.com/5630/20...
Reproduction armet purchased from Matul's:
www.matuls.pl/index.php?Lng=en
Detailed Photo Album of the Reproduction:
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"Caving in his buddy's face with a pole axe," I'm pretty sure that buddies don't do that to each other.
+Mason Rudesheim Maybe they weren't very close. :)
True, very true.
tis just a prank, brethren
You sure about that buddy?
"I can't believe you've done this!"
I think people often forget, or just don't think about, when bringing up scenarios on how armor can be defeated, is the fact that although your armor has weaknesses, so does your opponent's armor. And being competent knights or men-at-arms, you both know your armor's weaknesses, and defend against them being exploited, while trying to exploit the other's weaknesses. Just like any other fight.
+The Devil Precisely.
+Knyght Errant Somehow I doubt that in most cases you'd spend too much time focusing on the other bloke's armor and its (particular) weaknesses. You don't have time for that in a big brawl. If you were GoT-style dueling and you had time to break apart and circle, then yeah. But really you'd rely on techniques which would work against any armor configuration or at least the majority of them.
Also, tehre probably weren't as many varieties of helmet at that time. We can look in history books and see thousands of different helmet designs, but only a few were probably in fashion in one area of the world, at one time, in one certain conflict. So when armets were popular, you might be taught by your instructor what the weaknesses of armets are and that would be it. You wouldn't be looking at it and saying "Hmmm, that's an armet, isn't it? What was I told about armets?" You're probably more interested in the state of his visor and his weapon.
These are logical guesses supported by zero real-world experience, near-zero theoretical experience, and zero historical sources other than UA-cam videos. Please correct me if (when) I'm wrong.
That's part of the whole "armor isn't amazing" debunk. People often forget anyone with the money to afford one of these suits is going to be trained and prepared for a fight
I like what you said, that armor isn't invulnerable, but most people don't realize that armor would greatly reduce a person's chances of dying.
Look at modern helmets, they don't prevent you from being shot straight in the face but greatly reduce chances from being shot in the head
@@realdragon just that modern helmets dont "greatly reduce" chances from being shot in the head.. what are you talking about.. When a modern helmet stops a bullet, it is considered a "freak happening", what usually happens is that you get your head blown off anyway..
@@Trikipum What I mean is helmets save lives and they always did
The picket fence is pretty useful. You could impale a small piece of fruit on it for a handy snack.
Nothing beats a bevor full of jelly babies.
(actually, hot weather and/or forgetting them does)
I came here after watching Lindybeige’s video about his sallet/armet frankenarmor. I like this video better, it has sources.
The funniest description of fate aligning for an armor failure. . . LOL!!!
"The Moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter is aligned with Mars"
Priceless. . .
Exhaustive, crystal clear explanations, no sparing on the details, it's perfect! Everything any curious soul could ask for, ty buddy \o
You know what i like more than helmets? Knowledge. I mean like seriously look at those books
I always love those little details that tell a story, like the extra plate at 13:50
It shows that getting your forehead caved in was at least a reasonable enough danger to warrant the expense and weight of adding another plate.
What people often seem to forget is that every bit of these design evolutions is a response to some problem that the wearer would face. It is not a haphazard process, but somebody paying a lot of money for a vital piece of protective equipement.
Not gonna, lie, those teeth make that Armet look badass.
beautiful helmets, proably my favourite design with the sallet + visor as a close second place
6:11 I believe the technical term for this faceplate design is called the _toilet bowl_ design. The one you own is known as a _picket fence toilet bowl_ armet.
That helmet looks friggin' awesome.
The thorough discussion of armor designs overall and specific components, really gives me a great appreciation of the maker's skills. Really amazing. Keep up the excellent work!
My favorite helmets! I literally did not even know that these existed until I watched this a while back.
Thank you for this incredible series.
I like the way you present the evolution of the armour and I simply can't help marvelling at the beautiful design of the helmets. Great work!
Best quality armour videos on the net, hands down. Production and information quality is perfectly delivered. Its really a shame, you should have as many views as Matt at least. I guess armour isn't as sexy a topic as swords.
+Battam
Dude, he's not that well known yet, give it some time.
When I subscribed to him, he only had 5k subscribers, now he has double that.
Heck, when I subscribed to Matt, he had 30k subscribers, now he has triple!
Also, Ian tends to make relatively long and scholarly videos, which tends to put off some people.
+Battam Spread the word, the more this stuff gets shared around, the more it helps! :) I certainly appreciate it! Yeah, I have kind of chosen a very niche area to drone on about, so I never expected the wide appeal of say a Lindybeige or Skallagrim, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised one day. I'll keep making videos as long as people keep finding them useful! I find it hard to make short videos on these topics because there's so much information and I don't want people to draw bizarre conclusions or misunderstand what I say so I try to get as much detail out as I can. Unfortunately, a lot of people see a 25 or 30 min video and go somewhere else, but I feel like I would be doing a disservice to some of these topics by cutting them too short. Thank you for your support!
I get excited everytime I see you've made a video and I've been looking forward to an armet video in particular. Thanks for all your hard work. Your armor videos are the best on youtube.
+jaysbob Thank you!
23:00, you mention that the holes wouldn’t be as effective at reinforcing the picket fence as a solid plate, but I feel like the combined strength of the pickets and holes together would probably make up for that, being at least as strong together as a solid plate would be.
Thank you for going to so much effort dude. The amount of detail in your videos is amazing!
Thank you, and you're very welcome!
Subbed last night, Thought I would post today:
My major was history, minor was anthro(archaeology focus), and you sir would do well teaching at a collegiate level if you do not already. Your videos are well made, historically grounded, but also engaging and entertaining, and layed out in an expected and welcomed format.
My interest was far more into nautical and mairtime topics, and I've recently begun putting together a roughly 16th century harness(unfortunately I'm having to make some concessions, as the armor is being used in SCA combat), and have found what you're presenting very helpful.
So thanks, and I will be following you long term.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad that you're finding the content so enjoyable and helpful!
I second that! I also just subscribed. I am a 58 year old history nut and I find these videos fascinating and well done. I wish history classes in college were that well presented. Attendance would have been much better.
This is a really great and informative video. Love the design of this helmet, both aesthetically and practically.
I love this style of helmet. Great video!
Great video.
Seconding an episode on the sallet.
This was an insanely good video. Answered all of my questions. Thank you!
Great video, as always. Lots of stuff I didn't know about. I'd love to see you compare the armet with the later similar-looking but distinct close helm.
I really appreciate these informative videos. Very inspiring
Highest quality of research and presentation about medieval equipment on UA-cam. Amazing!
Thank you very much!
Nicely done. Thanks for another great video.
With these restrictive helmets, I suspect that you'd be raising visors / opening plates pretty much immediately after the lance charge is resolved, especially if you're in any kind of melee.
+Michael Eversberg II That is what a lot of period sources suggest. The sallet + bevor combo is good for this too since you can tilt it back a little.
+DushinSC Indeed Kaptein! An added bonus is that the tilted sallet acts as a brim, protecting the "exposed" face from downwards attacks from above. Kinda like the brims of some of the Hellenistic "Thracian" style helmets, which I really like :)
DushinSC
I figure this was the norm with those big barrel helms over the sallet, as well - especially with the chain. As soon as you're past all the lances, off that thing comes. If it goes to the ground, oh well, get a new one later.
+Michael Eversberg II You'd be surprised actually. I've been doing some work with a HEMA group and it's amazing how many techniques don't require you to see very much.
It's not so much vision as breathing. People tend to underestimate the effect of rebreathing your own co2. Considering fitness is largely about being more efficient with oxygen, a lower % of it is pretty much a direct reduction to your cardio.
25:46 praise the sun!
your videos really help man, I'm learning a lot
Amazing videos, keep them coming!
A very good an informative video. Great work!
Superb video sir.
Thank you so much for these videos... Also, love that Razer Blade (laptop) that you have. I've done some repairs on one before and got to play around with it, and they're probably the nicest laptop I've ever seen.
I find the sound quality through your bucket remarkable.
Another great video.
Great video, as always.^^
The most beautiful and practical helmet ever.
Cool that you actually wore the helmet, nice video
I'd love to see a video on the close helm.
GC Knives ikr
Great work Ian. Could you ever make one about the feathers and the crests in the helms? I just cant figure out how crests are put toguether over the helm.
So amazing to see the way the cheek plates just open up like that in order to don the armet! Until seeing it, didn't realise that I truly hadn't thought about how those guys managed to get their heads INSIDE their very close-fitting helms! 🤦🏻♀️ Just demonstrates the huge value of 3D reproductions, which help interrogate all the 2D shapes we see in the contemporary artworks...
Hi guys I'm ian laspina thanks for tunning in to another video on forgottenweapons.com and today let's look at this armet
Armor Jesus approves.
Such an elegant design...
This series is absolutely amazing, fascinating topics and stunning reconstructions. I have a question, too. Do you know of any examples with helmets that had no vision slits, but all vision their visor offered would be holes similar to breaths? A noodle strainer visor, so to say :D
What is the story behind the background image at 5:10? It looks like one of the fighters is wearing a crown.
+Eliot Childress So what you're seeing there is bleed through of ink from the opposite side of the folio. The images are from MS Ludwig XV 13, or Fiore dei Liberi's "Fior di Battaglia," an early 15th century fighting treatise now housed at the JP Getty Museum. Here's the plate where the bleed-through image actually is (wiktenauer.com/wiki/Page:MS_Ludwig_XV_13_33r.jpg), but the rest of Fior di Battaglia includes lots of images of the fencers wearing gilt crowns ( wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fior_di_Battaglia_(MS_Ludwig_XV_13) ). They represent the 'masters' of the art, teaching the techniques to the students.
24:45 pretty good is an understatement. That degree of peripheral vision is almost the complete 170 degrees expected without a helmet at all isn't it? Considering it's still a helmet, it's practically ideal.
Great vid, I love your channel❤
Could you do more on the venetian bascinet? Why don't they have any breathing holes?
I seriously feel like this type of helmet is the BEST one for everythimg.
with the later ones where there was no aventail, how did they protect their neck when they weren't wearing the wrapper? would they wear a mail standard/pisan, or did the helmet itself cover the neck well enough on its own?
+It's Just Milk I Swear They almost certainly would have been wearing a standard underneath their armet.
+Knyght Errant I guess that with this particular armet the gap between the breastplate and the helmet was really2 narrow.
Armets will always be my favourite helmet
Without the visor, cheek pieces, or tail, and with a two-piece riveted-construction, this could also easily be sold as a helmet for the Yoaman Class.
Hi Knyght ! I really do like your helmet series. Keep it up, could you make a sallet video please ? This would be really awesome, sallets are just so cool :)
+Dominique It will be coming. I just recently got hold of a friend's sallet and bevor, but I have not begun the work for the video, so hang in there and it will be here soon. :)
Just a thought: maybe poleaxes and warhammers were designed to damage components like the hinges in order to expose it's wearer.
+Rasgonras A poleaxe doesn't even necessarily need to expose the wearer to hurt them :)
Knyght Errant
That's true, maybe it would be a nice, unintended side effect? (for the attacker, that is ...)
COOL..TK'S FOR YOU TECHING ME....
Excellent video, well done. I just had a couple of questions, how thick is the armor on the Armet and how much does it weigh?
Can you make a video about armour fluting/fluted armour?
nice! as always :p I have a question Involving Armets. In terms of useability in on foot fighting, how would a say "late 15th century" armet (without the extra whrapper plate) hold up against a sallet or kettle hat with a bevor? And would it be a "historically viable" choise for a man at arms mainly fighting on foot. And please add any other thoughts you have about this topic ;)
Kind regards
What do these things weigh, no one mentions the weight of these helmets.
A lot of surviving armets tend to be in the 6-8 lb range, give or take. Other styles of similarly sized helmets are pretty close to that range as well. There are of course exceptions.
Very nice video! May I ask what the song in the beginning is called?
Will you be doing a video on the close helm and/or late medieval jousting helmets?
Can we get a brief overview of liners in armets and close helmets?
Is there a mechanism to hold the visor in place when it's turned up, to keep it from randomly falling down in battle (assuming the wearer wanted more visibility)?
+DeadCamper No mechanism that I've ever seen. One interesting feature that occurs in a lot of historical helmets with side-pivoting visors (in high enough frequency that it's hard to ignore) is that the pivots are not perfectly aligned. The slight offset between the pivots almost locks the visor in the up position when it's raised because of the twist it applies to the arms of the visor. Some try to say this is just a happy biproduct of imprecise smithing, but my personal opinion is that even if this did start as an accident, it probably became intentional. Medieval smiths were capable of aligning holes, that I can't believe it's purely accidental for over a century.
+Knyght Errant Thank you. That indeed seems like a clever and practical way of doing it, no need for fiddly pins and hooks etc.
15:47 that thing even still has the windup key for that tin soldier...
Being italian, it is quite funny to hear him pronouncing italian words.
Hi,
Great content as usual. No other channel deals with armor as well as you do. One question though, were there any weapons made to exploit the breaths? None of the rondel daggers ive seen would make it through far enough to kill the person but a spike of sorts with the diameter slightly less than the average breaths would surely be usefull in a 1v1 situation or is there simply too much variation and bashing them in or finding another spot for the rondel is more practical? It could look something like those kitchen knife sharpeners i guess, the metal rod ones.
Anyway keep up the quality content!
+Ryalnotch Thank you! As far as weapons to exploit the breaths, none that I'm aware of. The breaths are so small, the corresponding weapon would have to be very narrow and probably pretty fragile. The odds of getting it into the breath during a fight would be pretty low. You'd have to have subdued your opponent first, in which case you would just lift their visor or go under the aventail with your dagger.
Picket fence visor is run the tip of sword down or up visor and picket fence does the rest IMO
With the wrapper plate and used more by cavalry I can imagine breathing wasn't as bad as the visor would be up more often than someone on the ground would have. Then I can see it being more required for cavalry because they are moving on a horse and there would be spears and swords pointing up from the ground making the impacts from them much more severe possibly able to bend the two cheek plates apart. A knight on the ground there wouldn't be the force multiplier called a horse so the chances of bending the plates is less and they would be moving about themselves rather than being carried so more breathing capabilities would be the better choice.
Neat I wonder how much a proper authentic reproduction good for combat would be
i have a question, is such a close fit really beneficial in a helmet ? From what i learned about helmets, the really good ones were somewhat floating on your head, not directly transfering the blows to it, therefore reducing blunt force and sudden acceleration of the head due to blows.
where do you get your armour from- it looks so much different from normal off the shelf armour
Finally!
Hi Ian,l had a couple visits to the imperial war museum (Leeds) last year,most interesting.I was wondering if you had managed to visit the UK or to Europe.keep up the good work,cheers.
+Paul and Sue Roberts I took a school trip to Europe (A few days each in England, France and Italy) when I was in high school many years ago, but I was far too young to appreciate it and the stay was far too brief in each location. I would love to go back now!
I used to own an armet that had a larger beak but very narrow visor
I wonder if any armet aventails or mail borders survive? I would think a small hook, like we see on standards, used to close the front split would be a desirable feature.
+Mart Shearer Agreed. It seems like a spot you wouldn't particularly want gapping open during a fight. I've seen reproductions that use lining and padding of the aventail to provide some structure to mitigate that risk, but a small hook would go a long way in protecting you there.
Again a very excellent video! I really appreciate your channel.
I have one question regarding the sort aventail on the example you have showed: as it is attached to the movable pieces at the sides of the helm, even when you fully close the helmet it seems to me that there is a small, but considerable gap in the mail right in front of your throat. Wouldn't it be easy to design the mail in a way that there is a higher amount of overlap of the mail coming from each side?
+Thomas Heydenreich Yeah, it's a weakness in the design. I've seen modern reconstructions try to get around this by backing the mail with a full lined and padded textile that provides more structure and closes the gaps more completely when it's on. I think the aventail on the particular one I show in this video is a little too short as well to really be effective. Here's a speculative attempt to correct what you're talking about (www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/14th-16th-century/armet.html) I would take it one step further though and add some small hooks to close that gap completely. Small hooks were used commonly on things like collars of mail, and I think they would go a long way here to protect the wearer and ensure overlap.
+Knyght Errant I totally agree with you, that there are for sure some fixes to this problem which wouldn't need a lot of tweaking. However, it is very interesting that in those times they probably did not see this to be an important enough problem to fix, which they otherwise would probably have done (as seen in general in the evolution of armor). Thanks for your answer!
I just bought myself one of these helmets, would the kit that goes with it look more like 1390 (with fabric garment over the torso and/or sleeves) or with the later style of exposed armor?
Just watching him with the helmet on gives me claustrophobia
Very cool. I hope you are still around?
Might I ask what the song is called that begins playing at 0:12?
good video
The armet is my favorite type of helmet. It's basically the pinnacle of helmets isn't it? I also find it very aesthetic, and they look very intimidating if designed right.
+Guardian Some might consider the 'close helm' a little more advanced, but I definitely prefer the aesthetic of the armet. They are very close to bascinets in my overall 'favorite helmets.'
That's a huge helmet!!!
You showed some images of horses, how much armor would have heavy cavalier horses worn? I have seen some pictures of basically plate armor for horses, is that combat armor or is it Jousting basically 'sports' armor?
When do you plan to do a video on barbrutes?
YES!
Hope you read this.
Isnt the rondell aso for giving you fixation on the saddles of the time, since they where mire like big chairs on horseback.
+blastmaster211 I'm not sure I follow what you're suggesting.
I really like that helmet
mOOT HOUSTON hur hur, of scrobblefloppertonks, I ken now fooly apporve uf dis chunnel
How the shit have I never met this guy before?
+Mett Euston r u tha reel mett eUst0n? da 1 form scholacafeteria?
donacdum
Woah now, calm down tard. Someone pin him him down while I fetch the tard wranglers.
Armets are nice, I still prefer sallets or burgonets though. Any chance we'll see a video on either of those?
+Ben Kirkby Buy me a sallet and I'll do a video on it! :) I'm just kidding of course. I intend to make videos on anything I can get my hands on in the future. I find the show-and-tell portion of my videos is one of the strengths of my presentation so I'm trying to only cover pieces of armor I can show you firsthand right now. Sallets are on the list as soon as I can find a high-quality example to demo.
+Knyght Errant Worst case scenario, make one out of duct tape.
+Knyght Errant Sallet! Sallet! Sallet!
+Ben Kirkby I vote for sallet next. It was so common
Knyght Errant if I could afford a good quality sallet or two I would!
Do you not have a video covering close helmets?
I kinda half expected you to cover them here since I didn't see a separate video.
ghostbirdofprey he doesn't but there basically the same except how they open
We're these helmets used mostly for tournaments or battlefield conditions? Once again, thank you.
My favorites are the bascinets and the pepperpot helms.
+Necro Argumentum Ad Hominem Bascinets are my favorite as well! I may have a video or two on them ;)
+Knyght Errant I've watched one... Not the Great Bascinet one yet. Keyword 'yet' hahaha
Love your stuff. Would like to see something on the Schaller/sallet. From pure aesthetics, this is the coolest helmet out there...well, I guess the frog-helmet used for jousting is also pretty neat looking, but not quite there and functionally very limited.
You have good timing. Here's the photo album I just released of the sallet that's currently sitting on the table getting ready to have its video filmed :) facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1123060637769319.1073741836.884329431642442&type=1&l=585e675597
+Knyght Errant Ha, some might call it fate. However, I just call it...luck ;)
if you were to do full contact knight fighting what helmet would you wear??
So since this helmet is so close fitting, does it still have the same principle as for example the smaller where the helmet sort of hangs and the head is actually wearing the liner, so that the force of the blow doesn't go directly into the head?
Yes, in general armets would also utilize a suspension-type liner to keep the steel of the helmet off the top of the cranium.
how much would the breaths in the visor weaken it, obviously there would be some weakening but that portion of the visor is supported by the picket fence wich alone does provide some protection. I would have expected these 2 weakened sections of armor together to still provide comparable protection to the single solid plate of the top of the visor or the left cheek. assuming the breaths and gaps in the picket fence line up (not clear on video if this is the case) then it can mitigate the very narrow vertical field of vision through the eye slits.
also relevant would be whether such breaths are seen in historical sources, wich I don't know how/where to check.