Jon Ronson: Can you spot a psychopath? - Couple Thinkers - EP 4
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Jon Ronson is an author with some interesting news: There are more psychopaths out there than you think. We’re not talking stabbing-in-the-shower maniacs, we’re talking seemingly ordinary people. How do you know if someone is a psychopath? Well, you could do what Megan does to her husband Craig - get them to take a 20-point test to determine where they are on the psychopath spectrum. How does this affect their relationship? Find out in Episode Four of Couple Thinkers.
He always wanted to" roam the earth and solve mysteries " now in a way he actually is
I dont mean to be off topic but does someone know of a trick to log back into an instagram account??
I somehow forgot the account password. I appreciate any help you can offer me!
I just found this, and absolutely love it!
The thing... WITH THE FINGER?! 😂😂😂
Pretty amazing. I have always liked Craig Ferguson but his wife has a similar, wild, intelligent humor. Wonderful to have an exploring, interesting pursuit of a topic with rich humor. Thanks for your work.
I swear I've never said this in the internet. But seriously... relationship goals.
Yesss
Anyone else cry with nostalgia for Secretariat when he started talking about not real horses?
Hell yeah!!!
I'm waiting for the BIG CASH PRIZE!!!
Jon Ronson is always so happy when talking about the psychos.
Love this series, because Ferguson. Would've liked if they went a little deeper on the different subjects - like in this episode: what's the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath?
Maybe next season? *wink* :)
Sociopath is just another term for psychopath, the latter is just the more official term.
I believe there are differences. Like a sociopath has a weak conscience, a psychopath has no conscience at all and sees other people as objects.
Psychopaths act in order to hide their true intentions, sociopaths won't. They don't bother.
I am a psychologist and sociopath and psychopath are fairly different. Sociopaths are due to nurture, psychopaths are natural. However, not all psychopaths are dangerous, e.g. high functioning psychopaths. Sociopaths behave differently to psychopaths due to the fact that they are not good planners, they easily get indulged in angry acts of violence. A psychopath plans and is tactical in whatever he does.
I heard that the American Psychological Association views them as the same thing. I heard a Psychologist talk about it on a recent podcast.
7:06 TMW Jon Ronson starts mentioning the traits of psychopaths and you see this arrested look on both Craig and Megan's faces. Priceless. =D
That was a fascinating episode.
"Hello? Showbusiness? Get me Jon Ronson!" lol
ilrin I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that
hihihi i had to sneeze at, 24.07 right before Craig said bless you. XD Lol that was creepy and funny.
Sorry just one of those you had to be there things.
love love this series. this is the future. content on youtube for free.
dtvfan24 like TV used to be...
dtvfan24 you should support them by buying gant clothing
lol, this isn't free
This is great
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Walked through Glasgow city centre today..sure i saw at least 3 people who weren't psychopaths😉
🤣🤣
5:20 Jon sounds like Saladfingers when he invites them into his psychopathy room
"...that thing with your finger..." I love how they play.
Oh Craig , loved you on the Late Late show and still love you know , great series , by the way as a Brit and a fan you are seriously batting above your average when it comes to your better half !!!!
Craig and Megan are awesome together!!! ❤️
I find them shallow and loud and generally annoying. 😖🤮🤦♂️😡
that story about the psycopath guy gave me goosebumps. seriously.
Promise unfulfilled: she never did that thing with her finger......
In front of the camera? 😂
I wish this went further into stuff. It was mostly fun but I wish as interesting as the musk episode.
I wrote this email to the producer... I'll just paste it here :
Hi Victoria
Thanks for the link.
Generally I don't comment on others creative work unless I have something nice to say.
In this case I really feel I have to be critical.
I didn't like the treatment of this story at all.
Here was a opportunity to say something important about psychopaths among us. A serious and growing phenomenon.
And an opportunity to explore a dark period in human medical experiments.
Instead it came across as a Hollywood reality show lacking any serious content.
Even laughing at parts of it that lead to death and destruction of lives.
As one of only a few people who survived these experiments I find it discouraging it would be treated in such a flippant manner.
Jon Ronson has no medical training or degrees. He is not qualified to make diagnosis of anyone.
He merely plagiarizes Dr. Robert Hair and presents himself as an expert psychopath spotter.
The short clip from the F" WARD documentary was Mathew Charles Lamb.
I knew Matt Lamb very well.
I assure you he never struggled to find emotional content in anything.
The time and effort would have been better spent telling the real story of his life and death.
The true story of how Lamb was manipulated into becoming a mercenary soldier and ending his days on the battlefields
of Rhodesia. Killed by his own men when he was no longer useful.
Sad to see this opportunity wasted by such trivia.
Jon Ronson and Tom Mangold and a number of others knows very well who was behind this... but not a word about the real story.
Just vacuous Hollywood style yucking it up.
Very disturbing and sad for me to watch.
I am currently working with a producer in England.
Hopefully we will tell the real story.
Anyway... I don't mean to be offensive. but that's my opinion.
Best Regards
Steve Smith
@@lylasmith2152 ... One of the reasons its hard for me to overcome my compulsive internet addiction is that I keep finding obscure gems like this hidden away. It makes me wonder what else I'm missing out on. Which sends me clicking deeply into 100 more threads. You really should repost this as its own comment so more people can see it.
Having never heard of Craig Ferguson before, because I live it the U.K. UA-cam somehow introduced me to his late late show, and now I found Couple Thinkers, which is excellent. The thing I like most though is the myriad of random paths that you can suddenly find yourself on within UA-cam.
These 2 need to have their own relationship show 👍
I dunno 17:03 those looks ... looked pretty serious I sense a story there. lol
Not all narcissists are psychopathic but all psychopaths are narcissistic.
Craig Fuergeson please, please come back to Late Night TV. James Corden is a complete hack and he need real comedy back on the late night talk circuit. Everything is garbage!
Cartman answered the question "What was Archie Bunker as a child?" #SouthParkFact
I'm wondering if this times makes as psychopaths. Mass of information of suffering around the glob, people bagging on the streets, and inside of it is you trying to figure out how to border yourself to not going mad.
You can not become a psychopath, you have to be born that way. Sociopath are the ones due to nurture.
@Teddy Tibbs, you're right. But as I understand, the only difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is the cause, the symptoms are practically the same. And both terms are informal, formally the condition is known as Anti-social Personality Disorder. So as far as @Zbugniew's question is concerned. The answer is yes, it is possible to aquire APD, generally it would be regarded as sociopathy, not psychopathy. That's what I've learned on the internet anyway. But what Zbigniew is probably referring to is an acquired desensitization because of repeated over exposure to things that would otherwise disturb you. That's a whole other discussion.
Craig married a normie
Thank you for saying that
Or a normal person if your an adult and want to use real words.
Wait I've never heard anyone say capillaries the way Megan does wtf 😂
Spock in Star Trek, has no emotions, yet he is morally upstanding and can be fully trusted. Yes, he is a fictional character, but the point I am making, is that kindness is a moral choice you make regardless of your feelings. You can have empathy without having emotions. So, if lack of emotions is what defines a psychopath, then you can in theory have morally upstanding and kind psychopaths. It all comes down to making the choice between good and evil.
Just googling any word with 'pronunciation' will get you the audio version, but also, words ending in 'y' are stressed on the 3rd last syllable. Democracy, Geography, Photography etc. Sorry Craig :)
Exactly, his insistence on the illogical enraged me and put me off the whole episode
These are all greek words, as well as psychopathy, but different category and roots.
Although in greek democracy, geography, ptotography are punctuated in the 2nd syllable from the end as democra-tee-a (δημοκρατία), geogra-phee-a (γεωγραφία) and so on, psychopathy is pronounced as empathy (same root) in greek. Psycho-path-ia (Ψυχοπάθεια).
Psycho/sociopaths make great Lawyers and Doctors. People diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder are like social parasites, they need their host, which is society and people, in order to live, otherwise they don't seem to be too successful in isolation. It's scary that once you have a personality disorder, you have it for life. The only prevention is in childhood. Conduct disorder in children is usually the identifying feature that the child is on their way toward socio/psychopathy as an adult.
Wait. There's a well-known conspiracy that Winnie the Pooh is a psychopath? What?! But the Tao of Pooh! How could anyone think he's a psycho...
WTF! It is now January 30, 2021, and I can not stop watching this! Am I a Psychopath too?
Same here!
Psy-COP-othy.... Psycho-pathy.... yeah, that will be rattling around in my head for a while now... thanks! :)
It's the first one. He's wrong. Just googling any word with 'pronunciation' will get you the audio version, but also, words ending in 'y' are stressed on the 3rd last syllable. Democracy, Geography, Photography etc.
I enjoy Craig and this show. It's fun and lighthearted. I strongly dislike the use of a social science in this manner. Think to yourself, I want to do research. I want people to answer the question, "Are you responsible?". This question in science is almost literally worthless, other than to describe how someone feels. The framework of "responsible" will be different for each person taking the test. This means it cannot be used to accurately predict behavior (not with great confidence across different demographics). The questions used on the psychopath test are just those types of questions. The answers would be very hard to correlate using statistical analysis to predict behavior or show trends. My most difficult problem with the labels of sociopath and psychopath are the attributes of no empathy. I'm not sure it's physically possible to lack empathy. My framework of empathy, used here, would imply anticipating how another person feels or will behave in relation to your behavior or another person's behavior. This would mean a person couldn't perform basic daily functions because none of the interactions would mean anything. To insinuate a person would continue to function when you cannot relate to your surroundings, the innumerably available inputs of social interactions... the logic is just too fluid and weak. Please consider not actually placing confidence in a percentage of psychopaths being criminals or business leaders. Some criminals are not criminals to some, some business leaders are criminals/heroes to others. See? The framework is too weak and fluid. Just... think about it. Enjoy watching the other videos. I know I am.
great show. I remember from my studies of the English language that as a rule, foreign words derived from Latin or Greek are emphasized on the third last syllable, te-LE-me-try, sar-CO-pha_gus, psy-CHO-pa-thy, as awful as it sounds. Nice to finally meet your wife :-) keep it up!
and remember: let's not be beastly to us Germans :-)
Love this! I'm surprised they haven't talked about the relationship between music and psychopathy. But this was nonetheless insightful and hilarious 👍
Do go on...what is the relationship.
It does not make any sense, the guy is a journalist, not a psychologist to talk about it.
Go back and watch his Ted Talks from ages ago. He's been studying this topic for a long time and is very knowledgeable. In addition to being a journalist, he's a filmmaker and known for his research and investigations in science and politics. Not to mention the author of the book called The Psychopath Test. So I'd say he's well versed enough to speak on the topic.
Someone please tell me where i can find this "always talk to me" song. So good.
+d5486 Hey it’s by Kit & Kenny. You can find it on Spotify open.spotify.com/track/5vYAd5hlE7hOrbmQZ4L24C?si=Sz5YsDIK
Hey GANT -- any idea why the song has been pulled from public access? It's no longer on Spotify, UA-cam, etc -- can't find it anywhere anymore! Did you guys buy exclusive rights to it?
Love the song too. Seems like the only place to find the song is on iTunes.
This is a great show. Hooked.
Please explain why you would protect the identity of a murderer?
I was headed to Canada to escape my hometown crazies, now I could jumping into a larger frying pan
I didn't realize Jon Ronson lived in California.
Gone Girl brought me here :)
the moral of this story is, Ladies take the person you're dating to a real tear jerker movie, if he cries then he's not psycho lol
This is needed knowledge for the U.S electorate.
NEED MORE EPISODES PLEASE!!!! :)
I remember seeing Craig Ferguson doing late night standup in the Edinburgh Festival back in ‘87. He was the most foul mouthed comedian out there, that was his act. Jesus, he’s cleaned up and scrubbed up well.
i love this , I was sad when craig stopped his late night show, and this is even better.
ohw kreeg ... simple assessment. the absence of reason and introspection. psych O or psych A ... hmm 🤔.
this is the episode where this show hit its stride. really interesting!
It's kind of messed up that stuff like "LSD" is censored from the subtitles.. I mean I'm not deaf but that would piss me off if I was
Your both wrong, its psychosis!
Absolutely love this.
I love this series. Questions I have asked myself year after year, finally answerd!
According to Ferguson's logic, photography and photograph are phonetically the same
I know you Americans love your own language kinks and quirks but Alumin makes no sense. Everyone uses the basic Latin word aluminium and yes, it's Latin not English.
And you might be right in the sense that it was an English gentleman by the name of Sir Humphrey Davy who created the name but still....
I'm sorry, I'm being a bit of an asshole but contrary to most American English words that I find really interesting, Alumin rubs me the wrong way.
Why don't you say titanum and magnesum or iridum..... why? But again, how can I presume to be right? I think I am, but am I??
Americans use Al-u-minum. Listen is part of language. Try it.
Trump???
when they were looking at listing psychopaths from history and such, did anyone notice the cartoon profile pic of Conan O'brien? I laughed so hard. lol
How on earth did i miss this!! Love craig and jon - super nice, intelligent, funny and knowledgeable people.
Until I understand a psychopath is the one who kills and most of the times becomes a serial killer. A sociopath is the one that doesn't kill but has all the traits of a psychopath and are just one step away from killing, all they need is a trigger which psychologically is different for each one. Both psychopaths and sociopaths have emotions, but they don't have empathy wich is different. Narcissism is one of the traits of both psychopaths and sociopaths. This is way is kind of difficult to differentiate between a person who suffers from a narcissist personality disorder and a psychopath or sociopath.
The pronunciations of Craig are closer to mine since he is British and i speak closer to British English. America English is weird. What the hell is an aluminum?
Millenials are destroying the English language and the older generation is unfortunately jumping on the bandwagon, tragic!
Thanks a lot for the russian subs
This series is so interesting, that I feel a bit sorry I'm not interested in the Gant products Some of the shirts were close - if some of the blue toned shirts had a breast pocket (I need my work shirts to have a breast pocket), I might buy one just to support this type of advertising.
I just watched "American Psycho" the other day and I'm wondering if the movie/ book is inaccurate. He says he had no feelings except greed and disgust but we see him envious several times and later on afraid and in panic. Wasn't he a "real" psychopath then, because he had at least three totally different feelings... ?
I’ve always wondered if Patrick Bateman is reliable as the narrator, that he might be making it all up.
Does psychopath mean simply 0 theory of mind (ability to empathise), or is it both that and an inability to feel any self-preservative emotions (love for) oneself, even in the present? Or is it just that the psychopaths with no concept of the utility of caring for one's future self just a psychopath who lacks a the intelligence to concieve of long-game self-preservation. Like how rapists rape because they're aroused by the power and lack self-control or empathy. Is the lack of self control different from lacking empathy? I assume it is given the different profiles of rapists and murderers. Since most psychopaths aren't violent, I would assume that one can be a psychopath and still have inhibitions, which must therefore be appreciably separate from empathy. Also, the ability to fake empathy, I would think, simply depends on the creative capacity of the individual, which gives credence to the fact that many psychopaths, albeit not all, are good actors and can exhibit very convincing personas. I mean, does psychopathy allow one to be a better actor, because surely a lack of self-consciousness would aid one in one's practice of dislaying or exploring the mimicry of emotions one doesn't actually feel. I don't think they're necessarily that over-represented amongst actors, because I doubt more than the average person would feel the satisfaction of acting beyond that which is requred in their everyday life. Narcissism is over-represented, perhaps. I don't think an over- or under-abundance of emotion precludes one from lacking empathy, thought. In that respect I suspect narcissism and psychopathy are quite closely related, but the former can be artificially sculpted by environment, I feel, and can therefore be wrongly diagnosed in people with similar traits but who don't truly lack empathy. Both can be magnified or subdued by environment, obviously.
@@costeris35 Im with you on this, I've always seen as Bateman fantasysing all that.
Emotions are deeply ingrained to humans. I think what you describe he refers to as emotion is his detachment from people or empathy.
Psychopaths and Narcissists are impossible to define without mentioning Sociopaths...!!!
GANT, and what about your clothes for women in Canada? Tell me and while you are at that, get me more episodes, please!!!
I don’t get in ronson’s story when he says that the psychopath was impregnating those women to rip them off for $$ and he mentioned 200,000$ .. how does that work, how do u get money for that. Is that a new law in Europe I’m late on??
Please don't answer this question folks...the OP is just looking for a way to do this themselves. Lateral thinking.
And were they kidding about the 11 score and 27 being actually a number within the scale of the test bc it clearly says 20 point test??
Great show. Best double act since ( fill in the blank)..........I'm thinking Laurel and Hardy.
Anyone knows Megan's instagram
Good show. JR looks like a cross between Harry Potter and Bill Gates.
Sounds like Trump for sure!
Greetings from Croatia,this is really interesting show.Hope there's many more to do...
Jon Ronson looks like John Oliver’s twin!! 🙀🙀
She’s very pretty
i am watching episode 4 now and all i can say is amazing even when i may not agree i still think what a wonderful opinion
lol! she never said her own score! til the end she pretended he was the one she was worried about?
I think in a few instances here they may have confused psychopath with sociopath and they completely left sociopath off the table in the discussion. Or any thing else for that matter. They didn't even mention that a psychopath is actually an anti social personality disorder. I kind of wish they would have talked to someone actually in the medical profession to get a better understanding of it.
And you can't take a 20 question test to figure it out, since a true psychopath will lie and mess the whole test up. And if they are really good at it you wouldn't even be able to tell. It could take months or years worth of sessions to actually make that diagnosis. Now a sociopath might be a bit easier because they have much less control. And just because someone is a killer or a horrible person doesn't mean they are a psychopath, they could just be a shitty person or have some other type of disorder.
love the show though, and they are an adorable couple.
There are a lot more psychopaths & sociopaths than they realize, because most are guardians, healers, analysis-freaks or otherwise apparently beneficent by choice. It's only the idiots who get fascinated by crime that get rated as such, and they tend to get caught because they don't realize that there are more and smarter "-paths" out there to track them down. It's not a matter of degree, it's a matter of flavor.
Craig Ferguson is in love with Hannibal Lecter.
Oh god the Hulk Hogan picture is so apt
I love that they blurred gmc (it's obvious)
Why didn't she take the test?
They seem like such a fun and genuine couple.
Hello. show business? :D :D
15:23 is that the Doctor Who scarf?
It's just me or this guy looks like the Penguin???
I think he looks like John Lennon
Ronson looks like the villain in Lost.
ferguson and joe rogan podcast.
done
I'm no psychopath but I'd be very sexually promiscuous with a beautiful woman like Mrs Ferguson....
Sham SJ as would I
Awesome show! im getting hooked..
I think I fkn love this show!
the editing is so great 🤌🏻
They're adorable.
I scored a 10 too 😂😂😂😂
A 'psycho-poth' 😂😂😂
I'm not sure I find the idea of a whole functioning animal as large and intelligent as a human without emotions credible. How could one do anything without feelings to tell one what is and is not worth doing? Why even eat? Why move at all without emotions? Maybe they merely mean that the psychopath lacks the emotion of empathy. But even that seems hardly credible. It is a thing that happens that some people have emotions but find them un-accessible to their conscious minds. I wonder if that is what is really going on with so called psychopaths.
This is the most interesting comment I've found. I don't necessarily like or dislike it, but there are nuances I find interesting. Your premise is somewhat flawed: everyone can make decisions on what is worth doing based on logic. At the same time it is compelling. Why would someone with no emotion do anything at all? I don't really know the answer, and I realize that you're kind of suggesting that it may not be able to exist as it's been defined.
I'm working from the assumption that it does exist, although maybe it's a poor definition. What I think of is the impulsiveness on the test, and the expert pointing out that the subject is reaching for emotion. I visualize a desperate jab trying for emotion, trying to find a call to purpose. Maybe it's better termed that they have extreme difficulty naturally experiencing emotion?
The postscript is that maybe I'm stretching. I wish they had gone further into it. Also someone in the comment section has said that the video was not typical or accurate of the patient in question.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
@15:00 LMAO