*Timestamps!* Warlocks were my second fav class for TBC. This one time a higher level Paladin decided to gank me as Affliction in Arathi Highlands and it didn't go well for them, despite me being in combat with a mob too. 0:00 Intro 0:51 Warlock Overview 2:33 What's New? 5:38 Leveling 6:44 PVE - Demonology 9:20 PVE - Affliction 11:20 PVE - Destruction 15:05 PVP - Destruction 16:05 PVP - Affliction/Demonology 17:49 Tier Gear 19:19 Is it any better?
Great video ! Lock was my original childhood class main in cataclysm and came back for classic and leveled a hunter got him fully geared which I really ended up regretting and now I’m following my instincts of rolling my fav nostalgic class
Hey all! Hope the video was a good one. I know I had already had a bit of fun at warriors expense in the warrior video but uuhhh.. originally I had done this one first, so I left the thing in at the start. Also about the pvp remarks, im sure part of the calling it easy is my ongoing memories of playing a shadow priest in actual tbc and the amount of things you had to go right in order to beat an SL/SL lock whilst they literally could press 123 on their dots and win fairly easily. Maybe that was just me though!
Nah WillE I agree with you. I entered TBC with a shadow priest and ended up rerolling to a hunter since I loved the pet management aspect of the class. My best friend at the time was a warlock. We knew each others account and passwords so we could play each other accounts if they were offline and were bored. I remember my buddy got hooked onto another game for a bit in TBC so I played his warlock a lot. And god damn, i felt like a PvP god whenever I played his lock. And i thought my BM hunter was OP meanwhile I remember easily being able to 2v1 people on my buddies lock easily in affliction or sl/sl. I even remember playing arenas with my lock buddy and would get pissed when he made simple mistakes, it came to the point where I knew his class better than he did. I originally was thinking about rolling a warlock in classic with mostly TBC in mind but made a warrior since I barely played any melee classes in old WoW expansions. Rogue is to squishy and cooldown dependent for my tastes. Most likely will use that lvl 58 boost on a lock. Already leveled a warrior, hunter and mage to 60, don't have the desire or motivation to do it for another class.
My BC experience was in order 70 Mage, 70 Hunter, 70 Shaman then I got a 70 Warlock... then slapped myself for not playing one sooner... it was just so busted.
Destro fire was great for pve, I was top of dps from start of tbc until Sunwell. There is actually a rotation! Immolation, incinerate and conflag. The base damage is actually higher than shadow bolt because you always had immolation up, only lapsing when you use conflag when it's about to expire. It also has a faster cast time, 2.25 vs 2 5. It was amazing with hit and crit gear. You could also get a mini buff from a herb in zangermarsh that increases your fire damage for 15 seconds. Seed of corruption is still op, and alot of encounters weren't aoe until later raids were released. Basically every boss is single damage. Everyone has this weird mindset that shadowbolt is bis
I also preleveled a warlock just for BC. People at the time were saying I was wasting my time because either BC wouldn't come or we weren't sure it would. Bet they feel stupid now.
I definitely went fire lock. 7/0/54 ftw. I did keep separate gear for fire resist boss fights, like that bird (?) for example (otherwise i'd use fire dmg belt etc). Another fun bit was 2v2 arena. It was a shadow priest and i, so the opponents would quickly pop into shadow resist gear...only to get killed by fire. The tanking was easy as a fire lock ofc. Always used to end up 3-manning scholo and stuff (lock-priest-mage) before tbc and that just continued in tbc. The tanking gear in tbc was expensive, but the guild loves it when there's someone taking one for the team. (The other locks loved it too, cause their dmg was higher in comparison haha.) Fire is definitely underrated...
This is good information to have, I'm hoping to have a computer that can run BC by the time it drops, and knowing what all changed between the versions will help with decision making if I get there...
I’m sure there is a hundered different comments saying this but currently on the warlock discord there is a lot of information out there saying fire lock will out preform shadow warlock! Just thought I’d mention it since the video said they wouldn’t be seen!
I played destro all through og tbc. Was consistently top dps, and outdid aff locks. Also very powerful in pvp. Destro being slept on by most guides out now.
Fire is great spec to have opener in pvp but the incinerate and immolate scaling with haste is worse than shadowbolt and life tap doesn't receive extra mana if imp is sacrificed
You forgot to mention instant Aoe Fear in deep Affli. Pretty solid for Pvp. I always played lock as a main and was thinking about going this spec for arena. We'll see...
In AV I used to spread my seed through the hills (spells could actually go through the rock) onto hordes of players...once one of them goes boom the rest follows. I would just devistate the incomming enemies
A lot of rerollers will be shocked about the PvP "Performance" of Warlocks....There is multiple things people forget. Even in Originall TBC Locks only Dominated Season 1 and 2 there is multiple reasons why it will be harder this time around. 1. Resilience changes .....in my opinion this never worked propper on privat servers and it is a huge nerf for locks 2. People will kill your pet in seconds (in Season 1 and 2 back in the day ppl would not even bother to touch ur pet) 3. EVERY Rogue will be Undead Horde side.... But there is also good news. 1. UA is still criminally underrated in PvP ,the dmg u do as UA lock is insane 2. Open world PvP ....unless it is an Undead Rouge with Preperation ready u do not need to worry at all...jsut turn your monitor on 30 seconds after u get attacked and you will be fine.
I just got a boosted warlock and built it to the destruction skill tree and I’m already regretting it lmao. Imma go back and redo it suck that it’s either demo or afflic.
I'm probably going to try fire destro anyway as I'm a bit sick of shadowbolt spamming after classic to see if there's really that much difference in practice.
Hope u are joking. Hunter will be waay more popular, even mages and shadow priests. Warlock has never been the most popular class in WoW ever. In PvP, Rogues also will be way popular than locks.
Omg.. WillE where did you get that vid/clip at 13:09-13:20!? Dont tell me you were there haha! Eternal-Gathering was it, right? If my memory is right.. Damn now i got nostalgic for real..
That 10 percent hit rating talent for affliction spells is useless does not matter you are deep afflie SB will be a huge damage spell even for affliction. In better gear yes you go for Ruin ofc and as affli you use Corruption then spam SB that's it.
idk if you covered it in the video but the worst part of warlock classic is competing for raid slots and treated like a redheaded stepchild. *UHG warlock pulled again UHG out of soulshards are you? UHG you want MORE than 3 warlocks? UHG you want mage gear? mage: why aren't you happy spending dkp on felheart and nemesis? its really cool looking pvp gear"* can't wait for mages to suck my toes now
You want 1 point in Shadow Embrace simply because it counts as another debuff which counts towards the amount of bonus healing you receive back from drainlife. going full affliction till 70 is the way to go, it should last you until you get some pvp gear to go SL SL spec. Affliction "seems" weak only doing 350-400 dmg per dot, but you have like 7 dots that are all hitting for that much. I didn't even pvp on mine when leveling and guys tried to duel me and i killed them ridiculously easy, instant 20 sec CD howl of terror is WAY BETTER than deathcoil, save deathcoil against a healer when it gets to 30-25% health and starts to cast a heal and you win.
For solo aoe farming, mage is still gonna be superior. But in a raid setting, seed of corruption is insanely good. You may miss all the mage's aoe utility like frost nova, cone of cold and blink. As well, remember seed of corruption is a casted spell, while mage has arcane explosion for when they're taking hits. All that said, seed of corruption puts out insane numbers for warlock, but they kind of rely on mages and/or tanks for keeping them safe while they blow things up.
I've been playing the beta all day while watching school related videos, but am taking a break from that. Before i came to UA-cam I was thinking "Hmm, I wonder if Wille has uploaded the next is it any better video" and there it was in my recommended.
I have a feeling ppl on 3s will kill your pet. Season 2 and 3 warlocks are very good for pvp but 4 all melee class become strong I remember when I was played back then. Something coming my mind to ask what do you think about tir5 2 pic 15% heal pet for arena?
which spec is best for lvling. I know felguard is best if u dont have gear cuz the pet has dmg doesnt scale up that much with much better gear so the shittier the gear the more % dmg the felguard does relative to your dmg woudl be alot higher. But if u have some nice sexy gear would aff be better with the slutcubus for solo lvling?
@@ELlady69 One button macros for the win lmao. Also imo rogue and warrior have way more interesting rotations (well they actually HAVE one) and their mechanics are more interesting too (not mana). You'd think the game would encourage you to get good at something, not the other way around.
*Timestamps!* Warlocks were my second fav class for TBC. This one time a higher level Paladin decided to gank me as Affliction in Arathi Highlands and it didn't go well for them, despite me being in combat with a mob too.
0:00 Intro
0:51 Warlock Overview
2:33 What's New?
5:38 Leveling
6:44 PVE - Demonology
9:20 PVE - Affliction
11:20 PVE - Destruction
15:05 PVP - Destruction
16:05 PVP - Affliction/Demonology
17:49 Tier Gear
19:19 Is it any better?
Not all hero's wear capes.
added - thanks again!
What was your first favorite class then
WillE: "I present, the warlock"
Me: "Nah, that's Nhym"
OMG i legit thought the same thing xD
whats nhym
Who? I know Nyhm but not Nnnhhymymm
Theres a name I havent heard in a long time.
No fear
dots are nerfed with
Resilience gear
Everyone’s a hunter
DeadZone disappear
And roflcopters
For the engineers
Melees in tbc: Dey took er jerbs!
Derkrdurrrr
Tookuurjerbs
Great video ! Lock was my original childhood class main in cataclysm and came back for classic and leveled a hunter got him fully geared which I really ended up regretting and now I’m following my instincts of rolling my fav nostalgic class
Hey all!
Hope the video was a good one. I know I had already had a bit of fun at warriors expense in the warrior video but uuhhh.. originally I had done this one first, so I left the thing in at the start.
Also about the pvp remarks, im sure part of the calling it easy is my ongoing memories of playing a shadow priest in actual tbc and the amount of things you had to go right in order to beat an SL/SL lock whilst they literally could press 123 on their dots and win fairly easily. Maybe that was just me though!
You never talk about what counters the class in PvP. What do you take to punish warlocks?
Willie, thanks for the vid...pretty sure the meta demo spec is affliction based though, not destro
Nah WillE I agree with you. I entered TBC with a shadow priest and ended up rerolling to a hunter since I loved the pet management aspect of the class. My best friend at the time was a warlock. We knew each others account and passwords so we could play each other accounts if they were offline and were bored. I remember my buddy got hooked onto another game for a bit in TBC so I played his warlock a lot. And god damn, i felt like a PvP god whenever I played his lock. And i thought my BM hunter was OP meanwhile I remember easily being able to 2v1 people on my buddies lock easily in affliction or sl/sl. I even remember playing arenas with my lock buddy and would get pissed when he made simple mistakes, it came to the point where I knew his class better than he did.
I originally was thinking about rolling a warlock in classic with mostly TBC in mind but made a warrior since I barely played any melee classes in old WoW expansions. Rogue is to squishy and cooldown dependent for my tastes. Most likely will use that lvl 58 boost on a lock. Already leveled a warrior, hunter and mage to 60, don't have the desire or motivation to do it for another class.
My BC experience was in order 70 Mage, 70 Hunter, 70 Shaman then I got a 70 Warlock... then slapped myself for not playing one sooner... it was just so busted.
I like how the Belf lock was identical in appearance to Nhym. Nice throwback.
I mean it’s a tier set
who is nhym
@@oct2119960 No shit, but he also chose the exact BE features nyhm had.
Destro fire was great for pve, I was top of dps from start of tbc until Sunwell. There is actually a rotation! Immolation, incinerate and conflag. The base damage is actually higher than shadow bolt because you always had immolation up, only lapsing when you use conflag when it's about to expire. It also has a faster cast time, 2.25 vs 2
5. It was amazing with hit and crit gear. You could also get a mini buff from a herb in zangermarsh that increases your fire damage for 15 seconds. Seed of corruption is still op, and alot of encounters weren't aoe until later raids were released. Basically every boss is single damage. Everyone has this weird mindset that shadowbolt is bis
Slightly conditional because you need a fire mage to keep debuff stacks up, otherwise the Shadow Locks should surpass Fire.
Glad to see Nhym found work here in Will Es video
Rolled a lock in classic JUST for this... can't wait
I also preleveled a warlock just for BC. People at the time were saying I was wasting my time because either BC wouldn't come or we weren't sure it would. Bet they feel stupid now.
You and 81% of the rest of the world
@@TWEEK0423 I mean, I still enjoy lock in classic vanilla, don't get me wrong.
human one too i presume? rogues will be sweating bullets
Hello brother! I did the same. I am ready!
I definitely went fire lock. 7/0/54 ftw. I did keep separate gear for fire resist boss fights, like that bird (?) for example (otherwise i'd use fire dmg belt etc). Another fun bit was 2v2 arena. It was a shadow priest and i, so the opponents would quickly pop into shadow resist gear...only to get killed by fire. The tanking was easy as a fire lock ofc. Always used to end up 3-manning scholo and stuff (lock-priest-mage) before tbc and that just continued in tbc. The tanking gear in tbc was expensive, but the guild loves it when there's someone taking one for the team. (The other locks loved it too, cause their dmg was higher in comparison haha.) Fire is definitely underrated...
Honestly willie I just love your voice ! You and Madseason just sound so great to me.
I'm so glad you made the warlock look like Nyhm!
This is good information to have, I'm hoping to have a computer that can run BC by the time it drops, and knowing what all changed between the versions will help with decision making if I get there...
Finally!! been waiting for this vid since you started this series
Never clicked so fast lol
So close!!!!! Happy preemptive 100K Subs! Congrats!
I was expecting a 5 second video with WillE saying "yes."
I’m sure there is a hundered different comments saying this but currently on the warlock discord there is a lot of information out there saying fire lock will out preform shadow warlock! Just thought I’d mention it since the video said they wouldn’t be seen!
I played destro all through og tbc. Was consistently top dps, and outdid aff locks. Also very powerful in pvp. Destro being slept on by most guides out now.
Well I chose the right time to check my subscriptions tab, 1 minute gang let's goooo
Fire is great spec to have opener in pvp but the incinerate and immolate scaling with haste is worse than shadowbolt and life tap doesn't receive extra mana if imp is sacrificed
love the Nyhm reference!
You have a great channel here man! So happy i found it.
You forgot to mention instant Aoe Fear in deep Affli. Pretty solid for Pvp. I always played lock as a main and was thinking about going this spec for arena. We'll see...
You're limited in any spec that's not sl/sl. Melee classes will sit on you and destroy you.
I remember leveling lock is always affli with imp on passive.... and you just dot and fear everything that moves
"13% more spell damage taken from pretty much all sources."
*Sad elemental shaman noises*
Just when I thought I was out.
You pulled me back in.
"is it any better now" yeah I wonder lol
Hey wille great information as always, they did confirm the summoning change will NOT be in at launch.
In AV I used to spread my seed through the hills (spells could actually go through the rock) onto hordes of players...once one of them goes boom the rest follows. I would just devistate the incomming enemies
still in game to this day, still you can cast spells on battleground through ground :D
@@wisniamw haha unbelievable xD
"Is it even better now?" Oh yes, OH YES IT IS
That warrior looks just like me. I am personally offended by this.
Hopefully I will have at least one class at 60 when tbc goes live.
Same bruv... Currently only lvl 28
play a mage trust
Early Congrats on 100k subs! :D
Warlocks are beast in tbc, plus they have the most badass looking sets in the entire game
"They took my world buffs!" i though that was funny
I like doing big dmg 🤣🤣🤣 i was all out 🤣🤣🤣
"Is it any Better"...
It's literally a God!!!
I just watch these videos over and over again , just because i like them so much man !
Thanks
Looked on PVE talents as Warlock and was like cool, I literaly do same thing as in classic, but this time Im gonna be TOP dps insted of worst
Hunters will dominate the recounts on most bosses anyway
Loving the content man, good job!
'Any better'
Insanely OP in both raids and PVP.
So the next video will be the best at the finish. nice.
A lot of rerollers will be shocked about the PvP "Performance" of Warlocks....There is multiple things people forget.
Even in Originall TBC Locks only Dominated Season 1 and 2 there is multiple reasons why it will be harder this time around.
1. Resilience changes .....in my opinion this never worked propper on privat servers and it is a huge nerf for locks
2. People will kill your pet in seconds (in Season 1 and 2 back in the day ppl would not even bother to touch ur pet)
3. EVERY Rogue will be Undead Horde side....
But there is also good news.
1. UA is still criminally underrated in PvP ,the dmg u do as UA lock is insane
2. Open world PvP ....unless it is an Undead Rouge with Preperation ready u do not need to worry at all...jsut turn your monitor on 30 seconds after u get attacked and you will be fine.
Uploaded during Karazhan testing /respect
Nhym looking warlock
Asmongold will lose hairs watching the opening scene ;D
What hairs
Did someone say hair?
I wonder how good the shadoweave set and 2 of the malefic set would be for farming you should be gaining a ton of health
I just got a boosted warlock and built it to the destruction skill tree and I’m already regretting it lmao. Imma go back and redo it suck that it’s either demo or afflic.
Armor looks so great on old blood elf models
Great video! Can't wait to see hunter.
20:23 Hmmm, That blood elf looks alot like a certain Warcraft parody singer
Is the Blood Elf modeled after Nyhm?
I was just thinking that. Ahh the good old days.
a bit yes lol, I was gonna do a gnome originally like my main, but I did that for the mage, so I decided to go throwback for nyhm instead
I'm probably going to try fire destro anyway as I'm a bit sick of shadowbolt spamming after classic to see if there's really that much difference in practice.
If you have a fire mage in your raid, fire destro will always do more dps than shadow destro, for the entirety of tbc.
That warrior into was hilarious 🤣
That warrior insert was... intresting
Warlock specs are complete in wrath and much more fun
"created by Sephirothx"
now this is nostalgic, nice attention to detail.
i couldnt think of a better blood elf male name to fit the time period. Maybe I should have put some accents in there
Hmmm I definitely haven’t heard anyone mention the power of Warlocks in TBC, I better watch and like ! ;D
Tons of new warlocks in starting zones lately. TBC is gonna be 90% warlocks lol.
Hope u are joking. Hunter will be waay more popular, even mages and shadow priests. Warlock has never been the most popular class in WoW ever. In PvP, Rogues also will be way popular than locks.
Omg.. WillE where did you get that vid/clip at 13:09-13:20!? Dont tell me you were there haha!
Eternal-Gathering was it, right? If my memory is right.. Damn now i got nostalgic for real..
Good Good. Really hit your stride with these vids.
Here we go
Can't wait to play again sl/sl :) finally i can focus only on pvp and have raiding on /ignore for TBC
almost 100k subs :O
That 10 percent hit rating talent for affliction spells is useless does not matter you are deep afflie SB will be a huge damage spell even for affliction. In better gear yes you go for Ruin ofc and as affli you use Corruption then spam SB that's it.
True
*Frantically looks for gnome in introduction*
Willie Thank you for your great Vids really enjoy them. However, I have 2 questions for you 1. What add-ons are you using and 2 What UI ?
I kinda like the lore reason for not being able to summon in the Netherstorm... shame that it was removed
And I found the gnome again, feeling great 💪
The mage and the channel logo are not the hidden gnomes.
Ready for my lock buddies
Im so excited for TBC on the one hand... im really not looking forward to seeing that warlock overload infestation in arenas on the other 😂
idk if you covered it in the video but the worst part of warlock classic is competing for raid slots and treated like a redheaded stepchild. *UHG warlock pulled again UHG out of soulshards are you? UHG you want MORE than 3 warlocks? UHG you want mage gear? mage: why aren't you happy spending dkp on felheart and nemesis? its really cool looking pvp gear"* can't wait for mages to suck my toes now
Man..All of 3 lock spec look incredible in TBC. Can't wait to raid and do dungeons with my human female warlock
Another Great Video *WiIIE*
Asmon gonna be fuming about that warrior disrespect
No because he won't watch.
Ah! Tier 5... imo the BEST looking garb in the entirety of WoW! So badass!!!
You want 1 point in Shadow Embrace simply because it counts as another debuff which counts towards the amount of bonus healing you receive back from drainlife. going full affliction till 70 is the way to go, it should last you until you get some pvp gear to go SL SL spec. Affliction "seems" weak only doing 350-400 dmg per dot, but you have like 7 dots that are all hitting for that much. I didn't even pvp on mine when leveling and guys tried to duel me and i killed them ridiculously easy, instant 20 sec CD howl of terror is WAY BETTER than deathcoil, save deathcoil against a healer when it gets to 30-25% health and starts to cast a heal and you win.
i cant decide between mage hunter and warlock.
I already see a ton of them. Sucks for us real warlocks
I'm a frost mage and highly considering switching to Warlock after hearing the AOE is up there with Mage. Sold.
For solo aoe farming, mage is still gonna be superior. But in a raid setting, seed of corruption is insanely good. You may miss all the mage's aoe utility like frost nova, cone of cold and blink.
As well, remember seed of corruption is a casted spell, while mage has arcane explosion for when they're taking hits.
All that said, seed of corruption puts out insane numbers for warlock, but they kind of rely on mages and/or tanks for keeping them safe while they blow things up.
Feldoming a 2nd felhunter on top of your existing one will not refresh your cs, youll just feldom the exact same felhunter
FYI, fire Warlock looks to be BIS spec if you have a fire mage.
Not really
I've been playing the beta all day while watching school related videos, but am taking a break from that. Before i came to UA-cam I was thinking "Hmm, I wonder if Wille has uploaded the next is it any better video" and there it was in my recommended.
can u explain y u are getting improved immolate with the shadow destruction spec. Is it still worth to immolate and then spam shadow bolt?
Saving the best for last I see.
1.15 Introducing the Meta-Clown.
Thanks to Drakedog, I'll go deep Destro for PvP
I have a feeling ppl on 3s will kill your pet. Season 2 and 3 warlocks are very good for pvp but 4 all melee class become strong I remember when I was played back then. Something coming my mind to ask what do you think about tir5 2 pic 15% heal pet for arena?
Is it possible to change demon name in tbc ? I think you can resummon them for a new random name, is that still possible ?
Been waiting for this one!
warlock are amazing tho, especially when theyre bald
The gnome is hidden in the background ;)
Curious to how many wow classic fury warriors will reroll warlock for tbc classic.
And still so many warlocks complain about the hunter 1 shot macro smh! Warlocks dont even need a macro to be good
our 1 buttom macro is '2'
Mine's on 4
I have my shadowbolt on scroll
Ah yes my former main now gone alt. Warlocks gonna pump in everything 💪
which spec is best for lvling. I know felguard is best if u dont have gear cuz the pet has dmg doesnt scale up that much with much better gear so the shittier the gear the more % dmg the felguard does relative to your dmg woudl be alot higher.
But if u have some nice sexy gear would aff be better with the slutcubus for solo lvling?
This makes me want a Blood Elf Warlock now.....
Saving the best for last i guess ;)
Mate you've bashed melee classes a lot already in rogue and warrior videos, why you gotta do it again ='(
Jokes on them, still spamming shadowbolt aimed shot or fireball. They might be higher on the meter but that doesnt mean its more fun
@@ELlady69 One button macros for the win lmao. Also imo rogue and warrior have way more interesting rotations (well they actually HAVE one) and their mechanics are more interesting too (not mana). You'd think the game would encourage you to get good at something, not the other way around.
What percentage of stats do your pets get and does that include hit rating?