Is Getting Sore Necessary For Muscle Growth "Natural vs Enhanced"
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- So do you need to get sore for your muscles to grow? The answer might seem simple, but let me tell you it's not. You would be supersized how many questions a get about this topic. When I was younger I thought you had to be sore all the time. And for me at the time it worked. But that's not always the case as you will see in this video. Let me know if you get sore each time you hit the gym.
1.) What caused muscle soreness 03:32
2.) What causes muscle growth 05:08
3.) Why people think muscle damage can cause new growth 06:12
4.) Performance 07:57
5.) Natural vs. enhanced 13:23
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Hey Jon i always wondered how people in prision gets pretty damn big without equipment and proper nutrition!
John, do you have any advice for anybody who thinks they dont get anything out of their workout if they are not sore the next day? From a psychological aspect it makes sense what you said, but when I go to train im like ok if I dont absolutely kill the shit out of the muscle and train for 2 hrs then i didnt get anything out of it. I cant seem to get out of this mindset and I feel like this is more harmful than good.
Please let me know your thoughts, thanks!
Thanks! All Natty but enhanced motivation ;)
What is your thought on taking Humanofort to help,been thinking about getting some,seems like it's supposed to help with several things. Any info you have on this would be helpful,I'm 54,been training awhile,not huge,on and off on being enhanced,low dose.
Love your content . Just turned 50 and glad to see you .
He really covered everyone’s possible situation here. This man is one of the best on UA-cam for info in my opinion.
Yeah. There arent many as honest as him in the industry.
@@noahblevins9569 😂😂Greg Doucette's on a wholeeeee nother level
Yeah hes gives good info
Plus he has the best intro on UA-cam idgaf
*it unfortunatelly was one of the best living info yt ers
I’m extremely appreciative that John left this knowledge in videos for us to watch, and come back to if we forget thank you!
R.I.P MountainDog always train like a dog! 💯👊😎🤙💪
Me 2 🙏
Rest In Paradise!!! Alex needs a channel all John's fans can support his Yo Yo gains on.
God Bless.
I will always come to this channel first when I need help or tips on anything fitness-related. Rest in peace John.
That trick that Alex did was actually incredible
I love how he includes his kid in the video. That's the kind thing that kid will remember his whole life. And he's good at the yoyo!
I personally feel that once you don't feel sore with a routine, try doing some new lifts to introduce some soreness back. It is to me, an indication of hitting muscles you weren't hitting and stimulating it. I've found it best to try to do that after a while.
Andrew Lin good to know makes sense to me.
It is a great I dictator for someone that doesnt know their body well. For intermediate and advanced lifters, they are more in tune with where they are.
Mike Mentzer would say it's a "non - indicator" in his books and lectures he has stated that he never experienced muscle soreness unless it was a as a beginner or after a layoff. Just saying
The soreness does not matter, keep progressing in whatever type of training you do.
This is exactly what I do. After about 4 weeks of a routine I don't get sore anymore. That for me is how I know it's time to change up the sets or reps or weight or exercises. Then start over. Less soreness each week till about the 4th then start over.
8:15 peep the guy in the back dropping those 15 pounders
LIGHTWEIGHT BABY
10:30 gainz blessing yo-yo trick 🪀
yeah ;)
John puts time stamps in the description but didn’t include one for Alexander’s yo-yo trick even though he knows we all love the tricks. 😂
John looks like a jacked Luke Skywalker....
Now I can't unsee that. Thanks. 🤣🤣
No lightsaber needed
lmao i literally said the exact same thing on a different video a few days ago
1000%
Yoda shirt to seal the deal lol.
get well soon John, i'll be praying for you. You've been a blessing to this community.
Get well John!
Rest In Piece John
I think my biggest issue is never trusting the amount of sets and reps I do. I seem to make sure I always over do it and feel the damage the next day and of course it hinders my next training day at the gym. I need to find my sweet spot of reps and sets. If I wake up and my muscle group I trained is not sore I feel like I wasted that entire session. I’ve also only been working out for about a year and are not too knowledgeable when it comes to this. So thank you for your videos John!
You may also want to watch Greg Doucete. He is very honest and offers great info as well.
If you have trained enough to where you have lost strength, you will be growing. Basically, if you bench 225 for 10 reps (only examples) and are unable to do another rep, rack it. If you rest 3 to 5 minutes and cannot repeat the same number of reps, your muscles are breaking down to grow.
You do not need intense pain, or 5 days of soreness. Obviously, muscle endurance should be developed as well, so doing 1 set to failure is not optimal.
Why dont u just do athleanx? He'll show you how many sets and reps with rest time that you need to have. Hes legit.
Having watched Greg and Athlean both, you’ll find that they don’t agree on a lot lol. Just keep working and eventually you’ll find what works best for you. Everyone works differently!
Ez, you have an easy task ahead. Spend a fortnight doing a certain set and rep scheme, see what happens. Change it for a fortnight. See what happens. After 6-8 weeks you will begin the see the patterns. TRY to be systematic- add a set. Add weight. Drop reps. Pyramid up in weight rather than down. You will figure it out.
Everyone needs to calm down I appreciate the feed back but I’m just going to start taking trenbolone and deca with test and winstrol with some mk677 and test I’ll be fine
From wha I’ve understood about soreness, or even doms, is that it’s not required for muscle growth or strength but it’s a great indicator that you’ve worked the muscle.
Rest in peace legend, cant believe ur gone
How did he die
I think ive grown more with excersising that didnt make me sore. One thing i like with soreness is that it helps with mind muscle connection. Next day i know that spesific excersise hits the muscle i want to.
This quarantine forced me to look at all these issues with over-training. I'm having great results now with my garage gym, I don't have near enough weight to overtrain myself but good enough to get pretty good workouts. I'm in way better shape now than when I was going to the gym and I feel healthy and with way more energy. I just wasn't spending enough time recovering.
Also, I love yoyos, I used to know all them tricks when I was a kid!!
You sound like an ego lifter I'm glad you corrected that, kid
I miss you, John. You are still an inspiration. You left us too soon.
It’s all good Thax a lot appreciate it Ille try not to leave so soon love xx :)
I absolutely love the knowledge you share as a very useful resource but I must admit, it puts a huge smile on my face every time you share your son’s yo-yo tricks.
It to me shows you are a down to earth family man, which makes me appreciate your videos even more as just what they are. A sharing of your experiences with the intent to help and educate others. Not a personal boasting video or a push to sell something.
Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to help us and keep them coming!💪🏻
Well said bro!
This is one of the best fitness UA-cam channels out there. Nice friendly attitude with immense knowledge and great communication. What more do we need?
I appreciate that!
I'm 60 been training since high school just this past year I had to stop for the year. I started back up Monday. Well sir it's hard to walk right about now 🙃😆🏋️😩
I hope to run the same road as you, the age is just a number and certainly you inspire others to never drop de iron!!!
Cap
60 and still grinding that’s awesome!! My father in law just turned 72 and he still does what he can. An inspiration to me for when I get there. 💪
I'm 58 and still hittin it.
Speaking as an ultra runner turned weight lifter. I think that soreness while training can be in your head but DOMS forms a spectrum. It can be minor and vanish as soon as you warm up or it can be systemic fatigue that can mess you up and reverse your progress. I think a warning sign is when you start to feel heavy and lack motivation. The trick is knowing yourself well enough to tell if you’re being lazy or if you’ve pushed to hard.
great post!
This channel gives me more confidence than any other information I get online regarding my workouts, only really listening to this and Greg Ducette for six months and finally everyone notices that I work out, friends comment how much I've grown.
You can really tell what a wealth of knowledge he was, in this video...and in so many others.
Whether it is or not I'll readily admit that I really enjoy being sore. Trap & lats DOMs feel amazing the next day after a hard training session
Natural Hypertrophy legs is the best.
Kevs2good it’s great but it’s also horrible cos u can’t bloody walk😂
I like long head tricep soreness, calve soreness but my favourite is hamstring soreness. Summat about it I really like.
Back is definitely the best
jjwp 1988 long head tricep is incredible I’ll give u that
Man look at that squat rack. It pains me to realize The Mountain Dog isn't gonna be able to heart our comments anymore. Well he's still teaching me 💕
I personally experienced some growth at 6:15 of this video.....no soreness though, so im just gonna roll with it!
😂😂😂😂
Lol
Man, that girl is fiiine.
John, I’ve been lifting for a long time, and the advice you just gave is the best that I’ve ever heard. I can tell that you’ve been in the trenches when it comes to bodybuilding, and wanted to say thank you. And greatly appreciate you sharing all that knowledge. Also, those yo-yo tricks seem to defy gravity.
Intelligent man, you made a point that if you are to sore ,ones recovery goes into just getting back to where you were, recovery is key, don't train when too sore, listen to your body, progress is the measure.
I honestly just click on all John’s videos to hear him say this 0:00
Chest DOMS are the best
I hate chest DOMS. Can't move your arms to do anything without your chest cramping.
Ass DOMS are even better
I raise your chest DOMS with hamstring DOMS walking around like a cowboy
@@chrishamilton4501 hamstring DOMS always remind of that scene from the office where jim tricks gabe and Dwight into doing hamstring curls and they're all staggering around afterwards. Funny as fuck that
Nah leg DOMS are the best.
Post after Post keeps coming up on my YT feed wall and I’m happy to see it. ❤️RIP
John's videos still help me constantly.
far too young mate RIP
Wow perfect timing
I've been thinking about this today
Same!
John is the most real / honest man to ever walk this planet!! We miss you brother...
I attribute John's success as a youtuber not to his excellent, knowledge based content but his cleverly inserted yo-yoing clearly used to hypnotize his viewers.
I'm onto you John...
His name is John.
Ah ya my bad I had just watched one of Jeff Cavalier's videos before posting that. Got mixed up lol my bad
John Meadows, your love for your family and this community lives on and you made a big impact on so many of us. Hopefully someone is strong enough to carry the torch you left here. I’ll remember you every time I do rows. Rest In Peace Legend.
When John talks everyone listens. Awesome explanation sir
This video really helped because I very rarely get sore. I didn’t take sets to failure until I started watching Greg Doucette “train harder” and I started taking every set to failure and I got sore for a bit but then it stopped. This video is really helpful you are the dog
I’ve come across hundred+ different bodybuilding UA-camrs over the years. I haven’t come across someone more experiences and knowledgeable in this field. Thanks for putting out all this very helpful info, I love how you’ve been bodybuilding forever so you have so much experience and wisdom
Ps appreciate you sharing this stuff with the younger generation. I’ll pass down what I learned from u one day.
I appreciate that!
Just wanted to let you know the audio cuts out near the end of the video but this is good quality content right here. I went through a long period of plateau but finally broke through just from eating more
We were so lucky to get John's advice, one of the most under appreciated teachers ever. Real educated and wise gym guy...we were lucky to have him. RIP.
Still coming back for more info 😢 RIP
Videos are looking super super sharp lately. Also love this topic, been training for ~10 years and I still feel like I didn't get anything done if I'm not at least a little sore for a few days. Good stuff!
I think people also underestimate proper water intake when it comes to recovery. I used to get sore ALOT without much of a high volume during a surplus. The moment I upped my water intake (which was fairly low) it was like a night and day difference.
It will make you look way more fuller and muscular too
R. I. P John. Still educating us, thanks
I'm sore at the current circumstances! Welcome back Superman!
If you've been a jiggly wiggly fatty the past 2 months like me and haven't worked out during shutdown.... Ohhhhh lawdddddd get ready for your first workout back. Chest got sore 12 hours post workout and may not be not for 5 days
Even with the slo mo I still can't figure out the yoyo tricks!!!!! Excellent young sir!!!
I like that bit of soreness. This is not a debilitating soreness someone gets with an injury, but a soreness or pump you get the day after a good workout session.
Man you're super cool I like your videos they really help me
Glad you like them!
Recovery is key. A lot of people forget about recovery time. Find what works for you and forget what everyone else is doing. What works for me might not work for you. Good video John and a good yo-yo trick from the wee man. Stay safe
This guy is way nicer than I expected. He looks a little scary to me and High intensity high rep leg training often induces head aches rather than growth in me. So I associated him with scary head aches. But he actually is delightful.
:)
57 Years old. Training since my 20th....never used peds. All you say, is what i saw.
Its hard for the most People to believe that one Message , we where told was wrong:
"No Pain, no Gain". This Sentence is a Problem of our Sociaty
Great Content !!
(I am from Germany, sorry for my bad english)
I love videos with no background music. Really helps me focus more
Hello John,
About the frequency hype that you also mention:
I think in these systems you handle the soreness from the heavy workouts by having lighter workouts during the other workouts of the week or by skipping a too sore body part in a consecutive workout.
An example for one body part trained 3 times per week:
first workout: 5-7 sets of heavy intensity for back which creates moderate soreness
second workout: 4-6 sets of light/medium intensity for back which recuperates some soreness but maybe also creates some new soreness in other parts of the back
third workout: 5 sets of light intensity which doesn't do any real damage but gives a good pump and relieves most soreness.
Now to my question: Do you think playing around with the level of soreness in that way to increase frequency makes any sense?
If you train frequently and workout the same muscles, same exercises. You should not be sore.
If you do slow negatives you will get sore.
Heard you had a heart attack. I pray you have a speedy recovery. I know I speak for others when I say Youve provided so much unique info that I can apply to regimen. God Bless you. 🙏🏿
Dear Mr Meadows,
Very sorry to hear about your recent health issue, wishing you a speedy recovery and all the best.
THIS MAN HAS DONE THE TIME AND TALKS SENSE
I think youre the best informative fitness related channel on UA-cam
I appreciate that!
Miss you as a fan and a student John. Thank you for the continued wisdom.
Diet is key to muscle soreness, always sore for longer when cutting. That’s why we all love bulking
Fantastic video john what about force reps- pyramid like big dumbells rak- as to compare to drop lads which after watching your videos work great 4bme my biceps gone from 14-16.5 gains 2.5 inchs your best John keep up great work Robert Haller SNJ May 2020
Absolutely
Fantastic job love video s best
Great advice, Always learning. Love that you include your son in the videos. Your a good man. John
So, I go to the gym get a crazy pump an awesome workout wake up the next morning and I’m not sore at all! Is it OK to hit the same muscle again or is there a recovery. That must take place? Keep up the great work and thank you so much for sharing all your amazing knowledge
you have to let muscle recover before hitting it again
Very awesome, thank you very much
Really enjoy watching your videos. They are always so informative and not junk videos in unlike lots of other fitness content creators.
I appreciate that!
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lol!
Haha
I usually stick to the same groups of exercises and do what feels comfortable within reason of pushing. I dont intend to be a bodybuilder so much as I am just trying to stay in shape to age a bit better. I do think the point of view has solid validity, and I appreciate your videos explaining your thought process behind these things.
P.S. Keep forgetting you have kids and your sons random things always throw me off but I love his energy xD
Good topic. I have been training for a couple years and have made good gains. 25lbs in a year. I rarely get sore and able to handle volume. I have started to pick up the intensity in order to keep muscle gained and start burning bodyfat. I have noticed a little more soreness, so that tells me my body is adapting to new training regiment
Nice work!
Intra workout nutrition is a game changer. EAAs, carbs, electrolytes.
Frequent full body workouts that don't crush any one muscle group are also very helpful. Accumulate volume across many workouts each week
Totally agree!
Just ordered both pre workouts and recovery and granted I haven’t tried the products yet but I have to say the points system (returning customer) is an awesome little detail I felt I needed to share. I’ve bought product after product from the same company and never got a cent in products, and johns company has this system that helps out the people who continue to help them out!!!! Awesome stuff John! Cannot wait to try the products and see what the crazy fuss is about 💯
thank you very much!!!!
Yes...yes it is.
How did I miss this video?? I have been working out for more than 10 years and this is one of the most informative and helpful videos I have seen. Training is such a personal thing (genetics, recovery, rest, diet, etc) that we should never be so occupied with what work for the experts/others at the cost of evaluating what works best for you. Thank you and keep up the good work John.
I bet all that hard training in your younger years and consequently being sore all the time induced some degree of hyperplasia, real lifelong muscle as oppose to just only hypertrophy.
Like the vids mate - good old school effective training, great stuff.
Hope your ok John! Your the only real personality I watch on UA-cam! Get well my friend!
Props for all the content you've provided to all us gym rats over the last couple of months. There's some great physiques in bodybuilding but they rarely go with great personality. Bests wishes to you and your family John.
Glad you like them!
From my experience my back was barely sore over the year and that’s my most developed part, but when i was training chest it was always sore (i felt it so bad), but it was underdeveloped. Might be cause of my genetic. My chest just bad as it is. Well, no. I lowered the volume on it (i thought back then back and chest are the same size, well no. As big as a triceps) and it started to look better and grow. So yeah, i don’t think you need soreness to grow. Maybe a tiny one.
If you’re still really sore and you continue to work those muscles sometimes all you’re doing is breaking down the repaired muscle halfway before it’s been fully repaired so it’s almost like a wasted workout on those muscles. Better to train something else if you really did some damage on prior exercises. JMO
Thank you for this video John. It took me years as a young man to let go of the “I’m not delayed sore from my workout therefore I didn’t train hard enough mindset”. Shout out to Alexander for the neat tricks with the yo yo. Very cool 😎
John you want to talk about pain. Your Bulgarian split squat routine with iso holds has got to be the worst burn I have had in a very long time and I thought bands were not very effective you have proved me wrong.
Get well John! You are a strong and there's nothing that you can't overcome. Can't imagine my fitness journey without your impartation of knowledge!
Top video and information John. It looks like the soreness is the defined of enough or not enough compared to results. I’ve trained for years getting sore after every workout, but for very little results. Highly discouraging. So I thank you John for this great information. Motivating!
If it's working, keep doing it...the best words of wisdom..kind regards John..
Alexander is getting really good with that yo-yo! Learning the value of practice, for sure!
Good stuff! Yep, doing twice a week for months no matter what. Started feeling shoulder click about 4 weeks ago. Last week it suddenly started hurting. This week, nothing with shoulders. No bench, hate it. Skipped one session of legs so almost a week rest on them. Last workout was great and I'm crazy sore. I think I'm going to hopefully heal this shoulder fast and change back to once a week or 5 days or something like that. I'm 52. Maybe I just need more rest. Hate that this happened with my shoulder. Listen to your body!
Now John this is on my biceps and triceps and shoulders.
Heard about your current condition. Keeping you in prayers, my friend. A speedy recovery to you!
I only ever get sore shoulders with the bands, occasionally sore legs from cross trainer. I am having my first day off from my home workout in over a month. Just taking a walk
That was a fantastic video. I always have wondered about soreness and it's meaning. Your sons yoyo game is strong! I respect his passion and the countless hours I'm sure he's invested! Tell him to keep up the awesome work!
Many people don't workout cuz of the pain but its worth it
And john BTW you're knowledge treasure
I think it takes a few years to find that sweet spot of feeling slightly sore but always strong enough on your training days. Its really worth experimenting with what works for your body and not sticking to someone elses routine. Beginner programs for example usually have so much volume the soreness will make you feel sick and demotivated. Also personally the worst thing i can do when sore is doing nothing at all, im better off having some form of active recovery.
Yes it is no pain no stimulation. Changing routines regular to keep shocking the muscles This is what I call it really sore for me legs chest back shoulders everything really That’s some fly machine iv never see one of those Take it easy Boss
This video is gold. Amazing. From Brazil.
The master has spoken.
Always nice to see John's enthusiasm in the morning! Thanks John.
I recently started using resistance bands during the gov shutdown. At first it was strange using bands instead of freeweights but i found workouts that were great and I would get sore. However lately I haven't been able to get the typical DOMs soreness the next day using bands
Always enjoy your videos, John, but this one even more. Really got me thinking about the efficacy of my gym work. Thanks!
Thanks for this video. I’ve been really struggling with this since training at home 💪🏻
Great video John! Your kid is awesome, love the way you include him.
Thanks so much!
Personally the only muscles that generally get sore for me are legs
Jason Hardcastle 100% same. People say it may not be because we don’t train hard enough but I’ve went to true failure and I never get sore it’s weird
Try more range of motion and exaggerating the stretch
Seannie anyone will get sore if they focus on eccentric training.
Exactly as lee said focus on the eccentric part of the movement. Introducing dropesets, supersets and mechanical dropsets are also an excellent way to stimulate growth
Same for me although shoulders can get pretty sore as well