MLB incorporating Negro League statistics into its record books | What it all means | CBS Sports
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Jim Bowden joins CBS Sports HQ to discuss the MLB adding Negro Leagues stats to record books.
Major League Baseball has officially incorporated Negro Leagues statistics into the Major League record, the league announced Wednesday. MLB elevated the Negro Leagues to "Major League" status in 2020 and recognized the "statistics and records" of approximately 3,400 players who played in the Negro Leagues between 1920-48. Now they are part of the official record.
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I remember reading an article in Sports Illustrated decades ago saying that the statistical records of the Negro Leagues were woefully incomplete and that box scores seldom were published even in the "black newspapers". So what changed? Were a lot of impeccably kept records suddenly found?
They've always been there. What changed is that the evidence is finally being acknowledged. You don't have a leg to stand on with this issue. Specifically look up what MLB did in the 1969 season in regards to incorporating records from other leagues that existed in the past into the record books. Before you post on any medium make you're properly educated on the matter.
exactly!
A three year long research project was undertaken to compile official records, and only those records are included in the incorporated MLB stats. The unofficial and anecdotal accounts of games were not included. So yeah, that Sports Illustrated article from decades ago was accurate as far is it goes, but that was before the extensive research project was undertaken.
Another stupid PC move to allow basically minor league stats. Might as well add all the minor leagues and foreign league so it would include everybody. Sounds stupid right. MLB not worth watching anymore.
Now we hear the modern baseball racists. I heard NOTHING about the stats that were included from the American Association (1882-1891), Union Association (1884), Players' League (1890) and Federal League (Borrowed the leagues from another post).
So why not the Japan League stats?
Or are YOU now the racist?
When are we included AAA, AA and A league stats too? 🤔
@@rcmysm9123 you really are mad about this.
@@trillavanilla3425
You really care what I feel.
lol
Hank Aaron should now be the new HR king, as long as they statistically impute a reasonable amount of additional homers with the Indianapolis Clowns.
Aaron played for the Clowns in the early 1950s, and they are only accepting the stats from that league from 1920 to 1948. Actually, many players were playing before 1920 and their stats aren’t counted either.
@@flame-sky7148 yeah but they will probably go back and change that. Look at Mays. They will count 1948 but skip 1949-50 for arbitrary reasons until he joined the Giants in 1951
@@ikkajaalati I had asked about a few years ago. They had seasons from 1949 to 1952, because Aaron was with Clowns in 1952 but was only with them for three months. However there was no colored World Series after 1948. There was like only a division and not full seasons so to speak. Ernie Banks and Eason Howard played for the Monarch’s in the 1950s but there stats won’t count.
does he only have 5 more home runs from the league. do you even do research or just spouting off whatever you saw someone else say?
@@markjackson6431 my understanding is that they don’t have full stats, so will they use statistical measures to impute a more reasonable measure or will they just go off what is certain
"It's a much needed adjustment"? How the hell do you know?
Im happy for the negro leagues in particular Josh Gibson my dad saw him play in PR and called him the greatest hitter he ever saw. Thank you MLB. Congratulation to the Gibson family🙏
Sadaharu Oh is the greatest home run hitter of all time, not Josh Gibson
Congrats to the Oh family.
@@rcmysm9123 SALTY?
@@eddierivera1860
Hypocrisy?
@@rcmysm9123Maybe, we don’t really know. But, even with the merger of records- B Bonds is the HR king in MLB records. And, if you don’t like the steroids- then it’s Hank Aaron- another former Negro league player.
@@GeechieDan-uu9wm
Nope, white liberals have decided to take it away from Bonds and Aaron.and black people just nod their head and applaud.
I disagree with this, because the statistics are not comparable and this reeks of political correctness.
typical corporate BS
Josh Gibson was a great player but this decision seems rash and cheapens the value of historical stats
Are you sure, because the Negro league teams are 33 games above .500 against MLB teams All-Time in head to head play…..if your math works, then that means that the MLB was the inferior league…..gotta do your homework smh unless you don’t want the truth
Not really, the stats were cheap before they added these. The negro league talent was at the very least on par with MLB if not better.
Don't agree with your statement that this is rash and cheapens the value of statistics, it gives a better picture of truly best players. What is nefarious about it is that MLB will benefit off all the royalties from the sale of NL merchandise but the Negro League players' families will not benefit, it's a full on money grab and unfair.
@@alntr2872 Well, yes, that also sounds like it will cheapen it even further. It was a separate league with its own legacy and history. It did not merge with MLB.
@@ikkajaalati Just like those white leagues whose stats are included....and not ruining the game
Lol no! 45 games a year vs 151 to Cobb!
Cobb only played against white players and not all the best players in America! A fastball was around 85 to 90 miles an hour!😅
Just because Cobb played more games doesn't make him better. The numbers don't lie, that's why a panel of experts put Gibson on top.
@@calm1047gibson only played black players
@fbj59 lol what Gibson 808 hits lol
@fbj59 numbers don't lie and Gibson had like a 3 year career to Cobbs 20 years!
Did they say Gibson hit only 165 homeruns ?
These stats...will largely be ignored as a stunt by MLB, and rightfully so.
Dude played less than 4 MLB seasons worth of games. I get he’s a legendary player, but this is idiotic.
And so was segregation. If there is no segregation, then we’re not at this point.
@@flame-sky7148 Can’t change the past and this doesn’t fix it.
@@Supermanfan99then players like Ty Cobb shouldn’t be included.
@@Supermanfan99 you’re right it doesn’t fix it. But see baseball opened up a bucket of worms when they allowed those other six leagues to be considered MLB. It was just a matter of time before this league would also be considered. And Gibson played in way more games than what was recognized. So that’s the real issue, not counting the barnstorming games and other exhibitions.
@@luckilew Or they should just keep the records separate and still acknowledge the greatness of both leagues. This simply doesn’t work from a statistical standpoint.
I'm so happy that I lived long enough to see this day....
600 games?
I don't care what kind of Mickey Mouse statistics they dig up Ty Cobb will always have the highest career batting average
Nope.
Technically it's still true because he actually did play in the mlb. Js.
If anybody knows Ty Cobb's story they would understand why it wasn't a good look to have his name at the top.
Not because of his ability by the way, in that regard he is one of the GOAT'S but for who he was as a person and more importantly his views on race.
RIGHT !!!
Actually not, he is not on the top of the list.
As a fan of baseball, I'm in favor of this. Now does this whitewash Barry Bonds's home run accomplishments Josh Gibson has 800 career home runs is he now the all-time home run leader
His factual statistics show 166 career home runs.
He’s got more than that if one counts the bar storming, winter ball in Latin America. But it’s what one chooses to count.
F*** Barry. I’ll take Paige any day.
@@Supermanfan99 Some say 166, some say 224. That's the problem. The records were not accurately kept and shouldn't be included.
@@flame-sky7148 If barnstorming, counts, Babe Ruth has more. But barnstorming should not count, and neither should stats from games that were not in the league. That includes Japan, Mexico, etc. This decision opens a can of worms and should be reversed immediately.
Shit got nothing to do with George Floyd
This long after the fact? No.
RESPEKKK WILL BE PAID! Even if we have to raid them gotdamn record books 😂😂😂
They were different leagues doesn’t make sense.
The quality of teams varied massively. They played way less games against minor league talent. The MLB is grading their achievements on a curve just to virtue signal. Segregation was horrible but it would be analogous to adding the Lansing Lugnuts to Yankee stats.
Throughout about 500 exhibition games between MLB and the Negro Leagues, the negro league teams were 33 games over .500. Don't be racist.
Over 40yrs of Negro League vs Major League playing against each other, the Negro League was THIRTY-THREE games above .500! Please explain again about the quality!?! 🤣🤣🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
MLB talent was subpar to the NBL.
@@fbj59lol 😂
If you downplay the negro league accomplishments then I can just say that the Yankees won most of their championships in a tiny league with less competition. Or that guys like Ruth or Gherig or Cobb would barely get a hit and might not even play in today's MLB. But you can't because baseball history is always evolving. There's no reason to segregate the stats from two major leagues.
It's about time their stats is added. Move over cobs & Ruth...the black players done it best. Now stop hating on Barry Bonds & put the HR KING ON HIS THRONE, IN THE H.O.F.
It's Cobb not cobs
@@highschoolbigshot hey school teacher, I spelled it right cuz he was a racist prick anyway. Therefore he gets no respect from me.
Lol none of these players were and will never be better then ruth or Cobb
Barry Bonds cheated
I'd rather see more African American Players..today!. I grew up when brotha's played baseball, we were 3 sport lettermen in HS. I don't like the seasonal replacements because MLB played more games. Could Big Josh maintain that excellence over 154 games ?. Who knows?. I don't mind the career #'s, i felt the pre 47' numbers deserved an asterisk. Roger Maris was hitting his HR in an integrated league.
If Harold Varner III wins on the LIV tour does that count as a PGA tour win because he is a black golfer and not aloud to play on the PGA tour cause the PGA tour banned LIV golfers?
No because the banning of LIV golfers isn't based on race....
Ridiculous
@@dukestandard4743 How many Mexican / Latinos played in the Negro leagues?
We wuz kangz and shhhhhiiiiiieeeettttt!
Yes we were, thanks for the validation but we don't need your validation. That rock over there you cam from under, go back racist.
lol gotta find some new ways to COPE. “We wuz KANGZ” isn’t even original. It’s from Dave Chappell