Ford XB FALCON GT vs Holden HQ MONARO GTS 350 - DRAG RACE | Forza Horizon 3
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- 1973 Ford Falcon XB GT vs 1973 Holden Monaro HQ GTS 350 Drag Race in Forza Horizon 3. Which Australian Muscle Classic is the fastest in a one mile drag race?
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As an Australian it disappointing me that they don't add more Australian Holden's and Fords, they have made some of the nicest classic and modern muscle.
Well, since nobody has ever thought that Forza games was an Australian company, why would anyone expect that there would be more Australian cars from four decades ago?
Asinine Comment The game features classic cars from all over the world and H3 takes place in Australia. Makes perfect sense to me.
qId3r As an American, who has lived in Australia, I agree with you . . . The Chrysler E/49 Hemi Charger is among the best balanced muscle cars ever created - just one example of many.
And why the heck would they add the Chevy SS instead of the vf commodore, especially the fact that the game is based in aus
No joke bro. I was hoping they would add the BA/BF with the 4L turbo motor but it never happened :(
It’s kinda funny that these are actually my favourite two cars, I think muscle is better than super and hyper cars (Yes I’m Australian)
same here
You can't like both only one, you can't like Nazis and Jews, same thing
Oddly enough, these are my favorites alongside the Buick GSX Stage 1. I'm American, a die hard GM guy, but the XB will always be my first choice in a dream car
same bruh if somebody said choose between a bugatti for free and a dodge holden chrylser ford etc i would not be getting the bugatti
The 1972 160MPH Super Car Scare stopped the 300HP 308 V8 LJ Torana and the Phase 4 Falcon, they were the Pinnacle of Muscle Cars in Australia. If they had fronted up for Bathurst with them in 1972, it would of been the Greatest Bathurst Ever.
Now I see why the XB was chosen as mad max's car
Stop with the onion
The snag king Actually, Max's car was supposed to be a Mustang. Funnily enough, George Miller couldn't justify importing one from the US for the film so he was forced to buy local.
@@atomicmillenial9728 i've been following mad max lore for 40 years and have never heard that. Perhaps you are projecting? The budget was low, and the Falcons and Holdens being 8 year old cars were cheap and plentiful. I doubt he would have ever intended to get a Mustang, and there's nothing mentioning that in the scripts or the novel (which was released before the movie). Miller just got what he could find, even donating his own Mazda Bongo van for the crash scene in the early part of the movie.
Evil Ash It was mentioned by Murray Smith, the guy in charge of building the original interceptor, in an interview in one of the muscle car magazines around the time Fury Road came out.
Like ya said low budget could only afford one good car driven by the nightrider he bought the rest all for the same price as the hq
I have driven both for real in there day. Stock 4 speed manual 308 and 350 HQ SS were tire shredding beasts spinning the back wheels through 3 gears up to 80 kph, huge skids, so much fun. Stock XB GT Fords were a bit sluggish but they handled better. The GTHO's Fords were much faster. But the Hemi RT 6 pack or 770 340 V8 chargers flogged them all. Chrysler ruled the streets back then. Fuel was cheap and beer was less than a buck.
MATE i too have driven all these cars,the falcon gt was the fastest,but didnt feel like it because of higher diff ratio and the close ratio gearbox,i had a 351 gs in a ute with the wide ratio gearbox with a sig erson tq 20 cam edelebrock performer and extractors it blew these cars to the weeds
@@aussiesupersnake6642 Good shit!
@@_Yowiethecat_ what a copsucker!
WTF I thought it was real until they started racing. Boo
Same here. Think a lot of people would be disappointed also. Real shame
Very disappointed
What?! How could anyone be disappointed by this video - when it promises practically nothing to start with! I played Forza for about 2 hours, half a decade ago - and even a noob like me could see this wasn't real, in the first 3 seconds.
Yep me too
Still looks sweet though
Would be super cool if they added a body kit for the XB witch transforms it to the Interceptor from mad max 1. With the front, fenders and roof spoiler
I remember an idiot offering a Pontiac fiberglass front kit. (fairly popular).
Been in a 71 GTHO and a cammed and carbie upgrade HQ Monaro at full tilt over the quarter mile and a mates 6 Pack Charger would have toyed with both of them !😎👍
Night Rider vs Mad Max
@@ugursenturk5860 Knight Rider was a Pontiac Transam
you are right
i retract my comment sorry Damo
All good mate
Damo Russell you do realise he was referring to the opening scenes of Mad Max. Where a bloke calling himself the Night Rider, stole a pursuit special HQ Monaro, and Max was driving the sedan version of the XB GT. Before swapping to the iconic black blown XB coupe. Coincidentally they do not know if it was a genuine XB GT coupe or not
Damit. You got me. Thought they were real in the thumbnail and couldn't wait to click on it. Too bad the HQ didn't have the same spec 350 that the earlier Monaro's and- would have made it quiet a bit quicker. I suppose if the GT had been the Phase 3 spec it should have been- that too would have been quiet a bit quicker
Although I'm on team falcon, you have to give the holden points for acceleration
It’s a game ya goose. Get of your arse and join the REAL world.
Worth well over AU$70,000..
Massive understatement.
Ahhh, yes, the "Super Roo". That 'olden didn't stand a chance.
Computer simulation. Not worth crap.
Lol disgruntled Holden fan
yea bro holden allday
Interesting video. Surprisingly (to myself) the Falcon GT weighed some kilograms less than the GTS. It would be interesting to know if the diff ratio's were similar between the two.
The gap looks about the same as in '69 at Sandown and Bathurst, where the Windsor GTHO was just that tad quicker than the HT 350's.
Apparently the last batch of the imported 350 motors only made closer to 250bhp.
Being a crate engine, they had the US emissions equipped motors.
It's easy to understand why GMH discontinued the 350,when they increased the compression of the 308,added dual exhausts as standard, and made 250bhp for the HJ series. Much cheaper as well.
Thanks for the great upload 😁👍
"M-four-one" transmission? Okay, technically the automatic transmission on the HQ GTS 350 was the M41, but no-one called it that. It was either the Turbo-Hydramatic 400, the Turbo 400, or the TH400. And this car was also available with a manual gearbox, the Muncie 4-speed, which I'm surprised you didn't choose.
Didn't Holden swap from the TH400 to the TH350 in the HG GTS - even when fitted with the larger Chevrolet motor?
Well that's 4 minutes of my life I'll never get back
Gave ya the thumbs up ....great video.....owned a HQ LS Coupe...simlar to the GTS , however the LS stands for luxury sports and powered by a 308. Cheers Paul
My 1000HP A class Monaro is beastly. Done up kind of in more of a hotrod sense with the white paint, black double stripe on hood and rear and then some 19" chrome rims.
burns0100 why ruin it with 19" wheels ?
that's not accurate at all, even for a simulation. I'm 58yo and I have owned a GTS 350 with the Chev engine....I have also driven the XB 351 and the GTHO back in the day. From my experience, the GT would have been neck and neck at the start, also the Monaro had far better top end then that simulation car. The Ford should of won but it would have been closer then this..The Fords topped out before the Holdens. ...Like a previous comment, the E 48 Charger tuned correctly would beat both those cars...by a fair distance to ...
Nice
Very accurate ...holdens have always been faster off the line but the falcon has the legs
Tell so Bathurst is a scam?
@@keithstephenson1228 youre an idiot they are not production cars theyre are a holden or ford shell on a racing chassis that are identical i hope your not a mechanic mate
Hey Skip. These were production cars that could be bought from any dealer. 100% factory standard cars with various options. Your confusing with modern Supercars.
That’s what we’re talking about just stop while you’re ahead it’s ok to be wrong ..u came in a smart arse
1/4 mile times for Holden V Ford performance cars through this era, the Holdens never came close to Ford. Even the Toranas were not as quick as the big Falcons. This particular example we just watched for instance - real world tests at the time - XB GT 15.8, HQ Monaro 350 16.4.
So, Max Rokatanski actually can chase Night Rider on his Ford Falcon Interceptor
No way would a hq ever hold a straight line like that. I remember the shift across the rd at 160k let alone faster.
They are scary at that speed, especially on a bend.
Way wrong at the start- all holdens had woeful quarter mile times so it would have been falcon from start to finish. Should have added the VJ Charger E-48 which would put them both in their place until the very end where the falc might get by. Maybe.
Agree! But then I'm biased. If all was totally stock, the the Charger would have won it all I reckon in the mile. But if the Falcon had been a little worked, it might have won esp at the top speed
Yep, rear suspension on HQ was too soft, and combined with the torque of the 350, it would just wheelspin in the lower gears at lower speeds. And the 350 in the HQ losing 30hp from the HG certainly didn't help the times either.
The E48 might have accelerated faster than either car, but it didn't really have Chrysler's performance engine. (That was the triple-Weber motor in the E38 and E49.) Did the E48 option (single, twin-throat carb + 4-sp manual 'box) even exist when the XB GT was released?
The variety of Monaro in this cartoon, is a heavy, soft, slow barge, and this variety of Falcon GT is exactly the same. The E49 would beat both, but was an entirely different type of performance vehicle, for an entirely different purpose. The slower E48? Dunno.
An E55 Charger (although those with the Borg-Warner 4-sp manual are practically unheard of) would be the ideal match for these other two cars. :-)
@@assininecomment4934 the E-48 was a triple Webber engine- basically a 4 speed E-37 with 248 hp. You're getting it mixed up with the 2 barrel R/T in the VH. The E-48 was available in VJ models as were some E-55's.
@@rossbrumby1957, nope - wrong. The E38 was, initially, the highest performance VH Charger, intended to tackle the peak performance V8 variants from GM and Ford. It had the triple-Webered motor, with 3-speed. T
The E49 came later, and was essentially the same model and motor combo, but with Borg-Warner's 4-speed box.
Geddit? Got it? Good.
The E37 was the earlier E38, but with a single, 2-barrel carb, instead of the triple set of Italian dual-throat carbs. Hmmm, lower number in the option package designation = lower performance.
Can you see a pattern here, Rosco? Excellent!
So, the E48 must have been....? Yes - it was equivalent to the E49, but again, with the lesser induction system - the single 2-barrel carb, rather than that famous set of Webers.
No - the VJ model Valiant and Charger never had an equivalent of the E49.
Yes - the VJ model Charger was indeed available in the down-spec E48 option, and in the heavier, softer E55 variant - just like in the VH Charger. You'd already know the E55 was never intended for competing with either of the other tribes' racing interests. Almost every single one of the E55 came with Chrysler's own slushbox.
Chrysler Australia did actually go to Bathurst with a V8 - a VC model in '66, including an auto box.
FWIW, Holden went to Bathurst in a 6-cyl HK. It was a Kingswood sedan, fitted with the familiar 3-sp box - the earlier version, lacking synchro on 1st gear. The motor, of course, was the 'S' performance version of the 186 - with that famous combo of dual, cast iron headers,
the dual-throat Stromberg carby,
plus slightly warmer cam grind, up-spec valve spring settings, and higher quality bearing materials.
(No, the crankshaft was not steel in the HK version of the 186S, as many like to say.)
my favorite holden is the HK my favorite falcon is the XB or maybe the XR that's because I've had them but the chrysler is my all time favorite the 68 and the 72 just pure bliss.
I'm with you but I owned a 69 valiant. It was a solid tank and a pleasure to drive
What does a Holden and Bad Hunter have in common? They'll never catch a Falcon!
Well its a falcon they always win mate
That's not what happened in bathurst lol
Mate holden ran out of fuel as i remember
Fool...
Bullshit
@@kedrshr1mp6 - Here is why "that's not what happened at bathurst lol [sic] 1. The Holden model in this cartoon, was never raced in any Hardie Ferodo 500 (or 1000) at Bathurst against an XB Falcon, back in the 70s. 2. The cartoon version seems to rev up past 6500rpm, but the *actual* car that people bought and drove, didn't get close to that. (I know - the real world has an unfortunate habit of doing that. :-/ )
since the whole shebang is a cartoon just draw me in as the driver of both cars. Then I'll watch.
I've always thought the XB looked so much better than the XA. Much more masculine.
I always liked the XA better, myself- even though i'm more of a Holden guy. I like the front end on the XA, looks tougher imo. Funny, everyone has their own opinion...
Australia has the best muscle cars in the world, nothing comes close.. muscle from downunder! where the real fast n the furious cars are MATE
Hq weren't made to race race they were made to cruise but it did alright
Pfft...If you can afford a Dodge, dodge a Ford - the Valiant E-49 Charger (4.3L 6cyl) put out as much as the 5.8L 351 V8 from Ford.
The claimed power outputs were a bit detached from the reality. Ford claimed around 300 bhp for the GT and GTHO, but in fact the HO was in higher tune. I have seen claims of 370 to 400 bhp for a really good GTHO Phase III. But to what standard? But I agree, the E49 had a lot to offer
On the topic of Aussie cars, have you heard of the Holden Coupe 60, Eric?
Hot white special, the only holden worth owning
Wtf kind of gear changes were they? Pitiful
Cleveland 351, hard to beat!
5.7 litre 370hp Hemi RT Charger 8 speed. I've driven a RT back in 1972 and it leaves the GT 351 Cleveland for dead. The power the RT has is incredible. Actually my friend at the time who owned the car said to me (I have to get rid of it as it will be my coffin)
for a second I thought this was a real life video but I realized its was a forza 3 lol
I was so waiting to hear, "OMG Uleh" :P
Ford Falcon GTF 351 vs HSV GTS
Took a while for that old Cleveland to get into its Stride but once it did ,was all over Bro ?
The amazing irony of these two cars has always been that the Ford Falcon looks more like a Chevelle and the GM produced Monaro looks more like a Ford Mustang.
They should have swapped drivers around and done a second drag just for real evidence
If the game was true to the original cars, the brakes would have exploded after those speeds, the cars lost it and rolled
Like they did at Bathurst?
You use brakes on quarter mile drag, well you sound like a winner 😂
Why would u be using brakes while ur drag racing again? 🤣
this it's a fucking game
It only cost 100k if everything is original but about 50-60 if it has after market parts
hi HQ 350 was at first considered a race car by GMH in the late 60`s BUT along came the Torana and future 1971 HQ 350 development planning was stopped as a race car option . You can almost read the Holden engineers minds as the Canadian 350 was NOT a performance option .
Very disappointing .
Both great Aussie legends ,. But I like the X Box if you have seen it !
That Shifting though... might as well stack the deck.
Hail to both the Emperor and Ceasar
Max wins, Toe Cutter doesn't.
That shifting tho
As an Aussie... that was coooool..
In forza horizon 3 the holden monaro modified by liberty walks is my favourite car
hey ericship, really love your vids, was wondering if u could do a drag with the audi rs3, a45 amg, and the suburu wrx sti hatch thanks
The conversion kit for the monaro in fh3 is so cool
Moffat vs Brock or Nightrider vs Max?
YES!!! MORE CLASSIC CARS!!!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
actually it's pretty good simulation. old man had the gts monaro and the gtho shaker. he said the for had better top end but the monaro had better acceleration and handling.
Nahhh!
Vtec kicked in, yo!
V8 POWER KICKED IN DICK HEAD NOT THIS RICE BURNER HORSE SHIT
@@itznsdominator3521 whoooosh
Mercedes AMG GT VS Jaguar F-Type R
2015 vs 2009 Corvette , please .
This is a rip-off on Plymouth gtx and Pontiac gto
Hq's actually drove around corners like on rails but the Ford's never saw the corner coming
Yeah Eric bana proved that lol
Yeah love my Aussie muscle my Sandy and an XA GT HO for playground games! Hey Eric off topic, P.H. seems to have a load of inactive players!? I can never find any members online to mess around with, any plans for club events, meets etc? XBL Balojax the 3rd
I am Australian
KING AWESOME 2 Yep me to
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Charlie Wilde nice I am taking my boat with BBQ on it and having a BBQ on the water whilst fishing put another shrimp on the barbie
The XB GT was an homologation special built to compete in motorsport. GM-H had no plans to race the HQ Monaro that job was left to the L34 Torana so one could say this is an unfair comparison
It was NOT a homoligation special and had nothing fitted that was any different to what you received of the showroom floor
That's like saying the GTS Monaro was a homologation special. The GTHO was the homologation special, and was dropped after the Phase IV in '72. There's no XB GTHO.
@@captainkaos754 They were all homologated under Group E series production, Group C and International Group A
Actually, they weren't. Neither was an A9X for that matter. The L34 had the engine already done. They came off the showroom floor with bog stock motors.
Now, the earlier versions were homologation specials. Before you argue with me, check your info.
Just because some dickhead on some website does not constitute an authority.
Get me facts.
One tosser claimed he had a John Goss special because his VIN was JG65 and the JG stood for that.
Shame that it meant J for Oz and G for Broadmeadows, but good for him.
@@xagtly I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the homologation topic.
Drag racing is over a quarter mile.
Ken West 1/4 drag racing is over a quarter mile. Other lengths of drag racing do exist.
If you stopped bashing the limiter in every gear, that would've been a closer result
What f....ing limiter? This was the seventies....
lol yeah, that noise was the valves bouncing!
It’s the auto trans in fh3 it’s dog
LoL @ all the box head mechanics that thought it was real up until the race
some people got nothin better to do
Would have been awesome if it was real!
I had a Xc 351 GXL it was a Beast I was so disappointed that this just a game ☹️😞
The xc gxl is a beast. I still own one. Still has the factory motor aswell.
yeah in a long straight the ford will get ya on the top end
Na I think your power outputs were a little wrong as the GT was a what you call a smog engine
Was expecting real cars.
whats with the deletion of comments?
Ford Falcon GT’s are way over 100k for a decent one bro 😂
Never in doubt.
Where's the fully sick turbo and 20 inch rims bro
this was every friday and saturday night out the front of dennys in dandenong
and Big Chief (or was it burger Chief) on Parramatta Rd,Sydney.
Correction, not 'worth over 70k', but costs over 70k, all these cars have silly prices on them and priced out of everyone's reach. They aren't 'worth' it at all.
The Ford 351 GT with a Cleveland motor (1968) would fetch around 300k today. RT Charger with a 6 cylinder E39 motor with triple weber carbs around 250k if you can find one for sale. Maybe even more depending how much you are prepared to pay
U clearly don’t know anything lol
@@-xslurpeee-159 that all you can manage? Not first in line when brains were being handed out eh?
Very interesting! 🤔
I bet they both had more bhp than they were rated.
Thought it was a real race.... What a teaser... Not even accurate..
The Monaro would of had a 327 V8 Chevy motor. The GT falcon more than likely a 351 Cleveland V8 so of course the Falcon would win in a standing quarter mile. BUT if you include in this race a RT Charger which had a 5.7 litre V8 Hemi or even the RT Charger with the 6 cylinder with triple holly carbies would leave both Monaro and GT falcon for dead. I've driven a RT Charger back in the 70s and man do they have some power .
As far as I can Research no hq's ever came with a 327 chev.
I see you retracted your comment. I was a scrutineers assistant for speedway sometime ago, for standard saloons. We had a statesman come in with 327 chev fitted, I was only young and thought "it looks like a chev motor in an hq statesman to me, all good." I was told very quickly by the chief scrutineer, " that's no 350, looks similar, but a little thing called engine number says it's a 327." I was educated very well in early muscle cars, that man was a mechanic first, then became a GMH salesman. The smallest things, that guy knew his shit. Holden, Ford and Chrysler knowledge Australia is also my forte. The HK monaro was the only one to have the 327 sorry.
The Quey Stato came out with the 350 as an option. But I haven't ever seen one. I'd assume they would have a 11QU engine prefix? On a different note, good spotting by the senior scrutineer.
Yeah 327 gone by the HQ.
Ford Falcon XA Gtho Phase 4
looks to me the holden had the ford over the 1/4 mile.
This is a computer animation, not a real drag race.
Love this
In real life the Monaro won, due to being a 1/4 race not a 1,000 yards ?
@Marc Rossbridge- what? How are your 1 billion and 2 billion dollar imaginary prices, related to real world car acceleration?
What? The real life version, of this cartoon Monaro, was never raced on circuit or strip. There was no "1/4 race", or "1,000 yards".
@Marc Rossbridge- we have all heard what the prices were, at those auctions. I was just referring to the 1 and 2 *billion* that you imagined.
That xb... i need it!
Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio vs BMW M4 GTS
Try Ford mustang old vs camaro old pls
now do the newer models
Holdens always were faster off the line, but could never hold speed like falcons
Was this for the kids...?
Put the 370hp 350 engine out of the Camaro in the Hq
Both beautiful cars
Mad Max car was an XC Coup!
The yellow police cars were XB Sedans.
Bullshit. Was built on the XB. Where you get this info?
No it was based on a '73 XB. That they may have modded it slightly maybe confused you. It's been documented, no matter how it may appear it was an XB.
@@oo0Spyder0oo yes you are correct! Upon review of the movie scenes, definitely has a XB dashboard, probably the rectangular headlights that gives the impression of the XC.
@@bruceclarke6368 Agreed. The XC rectangular ones do look similar to the perspex covers. Regardless, the XA, XB and XC can all look like the interceptor easily.
If you look hard enough, you'll see one of the pursuit cars is an XA.
cobra drags.. fox vs 94vs svt cobra r
Fuck me that's a fast drone!
LAME. GIVE US A REAL RACE REAL CARS. well i dunno whlch us heavier but logically the 351 has more power so it wins.
Ford has never been Australian ..American car with American engine so what exactly is left that makes this car Australian exactly .......the driver???? An pretty sure the GM motors took over Holden aswell since the late 70'sor early 80's to produce better cars ....so reality Australia technically doesn't have a car they literally own