The Deadly Schoharie Limousine Ride 2018
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2023
- The in-depth story of Schoharie limousine accident 2018. A surprise birthday party takes a harrowing turn leaving 20 people dead and dozens of families devastated. It soon spirals into America’s deadliest transportation disaster in recent history. Was it sheer negligence or an inescapable tragedy? (Updated video including the Nauman Hussain trial and sentencing)
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When he said "four sisters" my heart dropped. Someone lost all of their children in that accident. I send my love to them.
@@stellviahohenheim It's all I have. I can't work right now because my best friend is dying of Bone Cancer and needs constant care. She can't afford a Nurse. I'm living off love and savings, in that order.
I can only send love. I'm sending some your way as well.
💙💚💛🧡❤️💜
Thank you for your comment.
To lose one child is horrific, to lose additional children is unimaginable. Condolences to the families of all the victims.
@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320
You shouldn’t have to explain your heartfelt comment to Stellvia, their response was cruel and callous. Sending prayers for you, and your friend for comfort and healing.
@@janicesullivan8942 Thank you. I sometimes feel that I have to take the high road and provide some context. Someone who knows me would never say such a thing. Anyone who doesn't know me and is unnecessarily cruel, my first assumption is that there is something wrong in their life and they are taking it out on a convenient stranger. That's why I sent love to her as well.
Thank you for your kindness.
@@gypsyjengypsydogs9320 you sound like a lovely person with a good heart. Please try to ignore the rude people. They definitely have much sadness in their life
I remember when this happened. The level of gross negligence and incompetence on the part of the limo company was so severe as to be incomprehensible. I can't begin to imagine how much all of the families involved have suffered and how hard they had to fight for what seems like such a small measure of justice.
What about the government. If they issue 22 citations and all other types of things to this person but don't enforce it what good are they
blah blah blah you added nothing. thoughts and prayers, right?
And let's face it, the owner went to jail just because it's a small company. Big fish never go to jail. It's not a bug, it's a feature of the system we are living in.
Mobousine not limousine
5.55 Muslim spotted who is solely responsible 🤬
The prosecutors who agreed with the original plea deal should be investigated . Letting this killer walk with no jail time is criminal in itself.
Yea those NY prosecutors have the public’s best interests at heart 😂
NY is a horrible state full of terrible people. That’s why I never want to go back.
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There’s a video clip someone sent to a loved one before they crashed, in the background you can hear someone say “ this is a scary limo.” The birthday girl even texted a friend to say she had a bad feeling about it. *Always* listen to your gut.
They’re all fools for not putting on their seatbelts (assuming the scumbag limo owners even installed any). Not that that makes them responsible for their deaths. The remarkable degree of negligence from the limo owners obviously makes them primarily responsible for everything that happened.
But even a fender bender can result in loss of life when people don’t wear seat belts. I’ve always thought it was unbelievably stupid that we don’t require children to wear belts on school buses. People die just so others can be a little more comfortable. Insane.
@@soberserotonin1850there's no seatbelts in limos...
@@HooLeePhucingSheet6:41
@@NoReply28 lmfao this isn't a real limo did you forget?
@uwuwatsthis it said there were over shoulder seatbelts.. the lap ones however were under the seat cushions.
5 to 15 years is outrageous. He and his father should be in prison for life. They killed those passengers.
That is a fraction of a year for each victim
Agreed!!!
Dad is now in Dubai, which has no extradition treaty with the US.
He'll be out in 4 years
I agree but this is substantially better than the initial sentence of fucking probation. What and outrage.
The fire guy choking up got me when he was describing pulling the people out of the wreck still alive. A living nightmare for all involved. RIP the souls departed.
its a small town, EMT's aren't used to that kind of gore. they are still innocent to it.
He said Fire guy...
@@interwebpsychiosis So what.
@@interwebpsychiosis Many firefighters are EMTs or at least EMR's and can usually be on scene before the ambulance gets there
people always forget about firefighters cuz they think that’s all they do is fight fires but they are always some of the first people on site since they are actually emt certified along the actual emt’s so they see the immediate aftermath of these gruesome accidents just like the paramedics do nobody ever thinks of them tho it’s pretty sad 😔
I was a chauffeur/limo driver for 20 years. My greatest moment was the night I miraculously avoided a T-bone accident with a limo full of women out partying. They couldn't believe we missed the crash as they saw the car coming into the window. Oh, how I wish these families could have had that outcome. I am so very sorry for your HORRIFIC loss. I have so many stories of bed limo company owners and drivers, UGH!
You typed this last time.
They they all give you a good time after saving their live??
My guess is the car you were driving was fit for service which made all the difference in the world imagine being out there with a car where there steering wheel turns left but the wheels dont?
My neighbor had a limousine almost identical except for being a little shorter. I was always uneasy riding in it. I always used my seat belts which were always buried under the seats. The limousine eventually caught fire and was totaled from the fire. This unfortunate story really hits home.
The fire story reeks of insurance fraud.
You know its bad when a firefighter gets choked up over the horrific injuries they witnessed.
None of that happened.
@@Look_What_You_Didr u sure?
I hope it gets balanced out by good feelings from all the people they save. Those people are amazing.
As someone from the area, I can say that almost everyone knows someone who was affected by this crash. We didn't lose anyone but my mother's close friend lost her daughter. Even 5-15 years is not enough He should've gotten life
Served as 5-15 years for every person who died, served consecutively, not concurrently.
It should have been death penalty
As someone who’s family has been a bit too close to several things over the years that for others there is a justified reason for the interest, my sincere apologies that this has happened to you. It’s not a fun position to find yourself in and your comment alone speaks to your own strength.
Live in Greene County but from Watertown- even Watertown was connected through some of the victims... i remember it well... sad
Correction: he should have gotten death. Life just means the taxpayers have to support him in prison until he croaks.
As someone who survived failed brakes, my prayers go out to the families affected.
My brakes failed when I was driving during a severe storm. All I could do was pull the emergency brake. The wet road caused my car to spin but then it came to a stop. I was truly blessed to be able to walk away. ❤🙏
What were you driving?
One of my sons and I were coming back from Vegas to California when he lost the brakes on the Cajon Pass. If you don't know that pass, it's very steep going down into California with lots of traffic and trucks. Thank God my son was adept at driving. Can't believe we made it home.
I had mine go out while trying to stop at an intersection. If a car had been there Id be dead.
@@jebby16 Probably a Ford. There's a reason people claim it's an acronym for Found On Road Dead.
Why lie for attention on the internet?
It is so eerie because they were having a good time, and I believe there was a moment when all of them felt a sinking feeling and started looking for seatbelts or a way out. You would definitely notice something like this. It’s pretty much a plane crash on the road
This car was a POS on all accounts and in very bad shape from "go." Horrible noises.
I actually live in Amsterdam, and one of the people killed in the limo was a teacher at the middle school. I was in 6th grade at the time, she taught the 7th grade math or english class (i can't recall which) so I didn't have her. My sisters did though, and they have told me she was a lovely lady and a great teacher. The road into the middle school is named after her now.
@@ELpeaceonearth fym cap bro what do you want me to say? i lied? because i didn't. do you want me to say my address? i live on the south side of the city if that helps. you just saw a comment from someone close to where the accident occurred and immediately called bullshit because people can't live places and comment apparently. you live a sad life.
@@ELpeaceonearth It isn't, and your user name sucks
@@ELpeaceonearth As someone who is from around the same area, it's not "cap." 🙄
@@ELpeaceonearth cap? That’s your response? You’re dad being told he’s the father is the lie. You’re adopted.
@@swampcrotchmcgee1728I’m from Caroga Lake, it’s true. I’m glad they named the street after her, though. So horribly sad.
In light of all the ignored citation, non compliance on Repairs, and lack of licensing, these guys should have received life.
Fun fact: even if you're in an automatic transmission vehicle, you can still use engine braking to slow down the vehicle. If your selector has a "2" or "1" (or ideally both) you can use these to force a downshift and significantly slow down the vehicle. As a Wisconsinite, I use this technique to dump speed during the winter on slippery roads where I feel that use of the brakes will cause my car to slip and slide (no ABS). If you're reading this comment, I highly suggest you practice engine braking via downshift, but especially if you own an automatic transmission. It may one day save your life.
If he downshifted to 2nd speed at say 80 mph what would have happened?
I would guess he downshifted but still, with the weight and the hill he was estimated at 100 mph entering the store area.
I had to use this technique when my brakes went out.
@@Tom-ld9hp As for your first comment, if he downshifted into 2nd at 80 MPH, the transmission would jump between 5,000 - 6,000 RPMs. This would have caused the limo to slow down significantly. Once the limo slowed down to at least 40 MPH, then he could have downshifted into 1st and dumped even more speed.
As for your second comment, the weight of the vehicle is irrelevant. Semi-truck drivers downshift in order to slow down, and they weigh 80,000 pounds (36,000 kilos).
We always downshift going down steep hills
In Sept 2021 while coming home from Cooperstown my Son and I happened to pass the site and as I recalled the incident we stopped and paid our respects at the memorial that has since been set up at the location.. its a moving memorial and I'd only wish the video maker included that at the end.. what a tragic incident. RIP to them all.
I was at the apple barrel 3 days before the wreck. So horrific walking in there now to know 20 people died in 10 seconds right there in the parking lot. RIP to all.
Good on that judge for saying "Fuck that" to that wank of a plea deal.
One of the victims had posted a sweet picture to reddit just a few months before the crash: a cartoon of her dressed as Yoshi & he's Princess Peach. She's thanking him for always letting her play as Yoshi in Mario Kart. They were both killed in the crash.
I used to work for a group center for autistic kids and for excursions we had one of those 12 passenger vans. Even though my license is valid for that they still made me do a bunch of specialized driver's training. We also had the vans checked every month and each trip I had to do a quick check of things like lights and brakes before we'd even let the kids in. The sheer level of negligence from this company owner is horrific. Knowing that the brakes were bad and yet using the limo anyway is just mind boggling. And I still don't understand why he got let off so easy.
The owners were protected by the feds who imported them for a reason known only to the government.
I worked for Springbrook for 3 years. All you need is a driver's license to drive around a van full of developmentally disabled, vulnerable people. One resident even had a habit of unbuckling their seat belt and attacking whoever was driving, so one staff had to sit in the back to monitor and potentially intervene. There was a log book for gas & mileage, and the first person to drive the van that day had to do a cursory vehicle inspection (that most people just signed off without actually doing) for leaks and whatnot.
As I recall from reporting at the time, the vehicle was in such bad shape that driver was frightened to drive it.
Also, the passengers used their phone(s) to let others know they were terrified.
So many families and friends devastated, and the sentence was less than a year per dead victim.
all these videos ever prove to me is horrible corrupt people never receive their due punishment. what a world we live in
When they do, it's too late
Murderers are doing things wrong actually being the person to directly kill when they could just set up situations which will cause deaths and get off lightly. If someone were to murder 20 people they'd be in prison for life, the law is telling them that they need to kill people with less specificity and more randomness to get away with it
I can't see how it's only 15 years in prison when it's 20 lives and it's not an accident but premeditated
@@precumming english please
Thats why Karma is bullshit
@@lizxu322 It is English, it's just a purposefully bad concept which I think the confusion might be about
RIP to all people that were in the limo.
Breaks my heart that some people could be so callous that they would ignore safety for money.
This was a very sad thing. In 2005, a crash occured in Long Island, NY where four people were killed inside a stretch limousine that was involved in a head-on crash on the Meadowbrook Parkway. The driver was killed as was three of the five passengers inside the rear compartment including an adolescent female who was beheaded. During that earlier time period, I was employed by a company where part of the income was derived from repairing stretch and regular sedan limousines. I can attest to the fact that regular maintenance is put off in the interest of keeping vehicles on the road to make money. Even unsafe vehicles.
What a horrible tragedy, one I hadn’t heard of. Several years ago there was another tragic case involving a limousine in the San Francisco Bay Area. A bride-to-be and her wedding party were in a limo on the San Mateo bridge, heading over to the Redwood City area when the back of the limo caught fire. All of the young women died when they were unable to escape. It was horrific. I believe the NTSB should go one step further and have a website where potential customers can log on and check the safety records of the vehicles. May all these lovely young souls be resting in peace. ❤🙏😢
@Lurch The husband of the woman who’s birthday they were celebrating was forced to find a last minute replacement when the party bus he had planned canceled last minute. Let’s try not to blame the victims of this tragedy. Just the owners, and driver please.
They can check the BBB before renting. Not much of a choice but available.
When I clicked on this I thought they were talking about that story. I never heard of this one. 😮
@@DJR3M1XX No, you are not forced to use a unsafe vehicle the last minute, just drive in your normal cars like most other wedding guests do. If you must be extravagant at any cost, you may have to pay any cost.Common human sense is a thing we shoul cultivate a bit more . And please let me decide who i blame for myself.
And to think they would all be alive if they just acted right and didn't try to flex.
God, that man's pained "And... we kept going" just HURTS.
Having lived in the Albany area my whole life (less then 30 minutes away) and driven past the store/cafe and down that hill they went down is very steep. You gain speed fairly quickly going down it. I've heard some of the stories from other first responders on scene and it was a complete nightmare in that limo after the accident where people we thrown on top of one another and crushed.
They need to change that road. Excavate it to make it flatter. I-70 going east into Denver is very steep. Many signs, but they haven't stopped horrible accidents.
@@missjackson3223 same thing with that intersection, they just add more signs. Now there's a memorial too..
Tragically on the weekend, here in the Hunter region of New South Wales, Australia, ten passengers died and many were injured when a coach-bus returning from a wedding at a winery, rolled at a roundabout in foggy conditions.
Apparently the driver was reportedly driving recklessly and 'showing-off', so even when a vehicle is in good condition collisions can occur, causing fatalities and severe injuries when passengers refuse to wear seat-belts!
Black Boxes on Civil Aircraft. In this day and age - they should be installed on Coaches and other Public Transport. It may make all of the Drivers aware that their actions are monitored - and recorded. My condolences to those who lost loved ones in the Hunter Coach Crash.
Yes
All limo companies hide the seat belts. They look ugly, they're not tested or certified, and they always try to upsell the vehicle. A 15 passenger bus will become a 20 pass. But if there's only 15 belts that could present a problem. Belts are always hidden in the under seat voids
Also why doesn't anyone wear seat belts on city buses, why don't babies need car seats?
@@macbook802 they're not required by law so many don't use them, sadly. Stuff like this is pretty damn good reason to start though..
The owner of the limo company was allegedly here to be an informant after escaping his home country after doing shady things there. Then after this happened, he took off back to his home country to let his son deal with everything. People were asking why he was allowed here after all of the shady things he had done before after this crash happened. It was a big shock when I heard about it.
Divershitty.
Because the US loves terrorists and informants willing to make stuff up.
Sources? Genuine question, thanks.
The dad had an expensive car needing 5:58 work on the transmission. Before it got fixed the garage on Ridge road in Queensbury got burned.
its why we don't negotiate with terrorists
This accident took the life of my Fraternity brother, his wife and her sisters.
The owners of that limo company deserve the death penalty. But since we live in America, they should be in prison for life (unlike the fathers home country).
And the original prosecutor should be in prison for making that ridiculous deal.
Funny how our govt has been so efficient at outlawing the death penalty, even though it is virtually never actually used, and is, by far, the #1 negotiating tool of prosecutors in capital cases.
The death sentence would of been justice pain and simple ,
Life in prison...he didn't intentionally kill anyone..,negligence..but not murder.,,
@@Icantevenstandit negligence is defined as lack of reasonable care. That would be equivalent to not getting the brakes changed to save money.
Recklessness or gross-negligence is worse and defined as intentionally disregarding a known safety issue.
They ripped off the sticker declaring the vehicle unusable due to safety violations and used it anyway.
That’s not simple negligence.
He intentionally broke the law and put people in that car, knowing it was dangerous. All for a few dollars.
@@Icantevenstandit his company's vehicles had an 80% failure rate when they inspected the rest during the course of the investigation. They took 4 vehicles out of service immediately. Tell me that's not criminal negligence. Try it.
I cannot believe his first deal gave him no prison time!! That’s disgusting 😡 And the sentence he ended up getting was nothing near what he should’ve. I am so sorry to all the friends & family 😢😢
Oh, those poor pedestrians. I feel sorry for all of them, but mostly for the pedestrians who had nothing to do with the limo ride.
Yeah, reminds me of the Final Destination movies, such a weird and horrific way to die.
or highlander owner, probably the most shocked person in this incident
are you calling pedestrians the people in the limo too?
The dead are the lucky ones
ikr. i dont care about the people in the limo, like at all, but my heart breaks for the pedestrians.
Good video. Such a horrible tragedy. My profession is one which involves road fatalities like this one and gelping the families of the deceased. Thank you for mentioning the toll taken to the mental health of the first responders. People dont know the horror of what they see.
I’m a nurse and you’re absolutely right. We always have to consider the first responders to witness these horrors and are also so guilt ridden when there’s nothing they can do. Thank you for what you do
Fake event. Real extortion plot to rob that Pakistani family, who happened to be an FBI asset, and friends of Benizar Bhutto. @@misstinahamilton5714
Greed cost 20 people their lives. My heart goes out to the family and friends who lost their loved ones 🙏🫶
Limo rental companies never maintain their vehicles. Not only are they poorly and cheaply put together, they're never repaired properly.
As someone who has worked for a long time in the passenger transportation industry this story hits me particularly hard. I have been a driver trainer, a safety coordinator, a fleet manager and lead driver over my time working in the transportation industry and let me tell you, very little has changed.
I was both the safety coordinator and fleet manager of a medium-sized limo company when this happened. It was all the managers, dispatchers and drivers talked about amongst ourselves for days.
How could this happen? But in truth, despite not knowing the specifics at the time we all knew. The only question was how did everyone in the car perish when the bulk of it seemed to be so minimally damaged? The why though? That was a different story.
Even if the company you work for has an excellent safety record (as the company I work for now has) If you're in the industry, you know someone in your area that doesn't.
We all know fly by night operators. Maybe it's a penny pinching boss who won't pay to get anything repaired or a down on their luck independent operator that just can't afford to get it fixed. Maybe it's the driver who used to be on the top of the game but is now in his mid-80s and still working a full schedule with long hours. Maybe, it's the company whose tyrannical owner causes a chronic under staffing problem who forces their drivers into 16, 18, 20, or even 26-hour long shifts of driving while also consistently demanding a 7 day a week work schedule.
I wish my examples were hypothetical but I have witnessed all of them.
I actually attempted to report the company that was routinely forcing its drivers into 20+ hour-long shifts to the DOT but I was told (correctly) that as long as the vehicles involved were not commercial It was not their concern. The local police seemed equally uninterested.
Since the spread of Uber and Lyft the far bulk of local regulatory agencies for taxis and limos have disappeared. The ones that remain have very little power and mainly exist to rubber stamp applications and collect fees.
I've even warned people not to ride with certain drivers or companies and I know I'm probably doing the right thing. I still feel bad sometimes though like I'm taking food right off of someone's plate, especially if I know the operator really is too poor to afford proper maintenance.
Anyway, nothing has really changed that I can tell. I currently work for a company with a great safety record and a very aggressive preventative maintenance program. I guess that's the change I made was to not be a part of the problem.
You might be taking food off someone's plate, but you would save lives which is more important. So don't feel bad reporting anyone for poor safety and maintenance.
What rules & maintenance protocols & procedures are in Pakistan. I’m sorry to say that life is cheap amongst many & the dollar rules.
They were thrown around in the car violently as it crashed, having no seatbelts on. The blunt force trauma is enough to be fatal without the car itself being mangled.
@@majungasaurusaaaa I don't think we knew they were going that fast or it wasn't widely reported when the accident first happened.
Yeah, unfortunately it's like other recent respondent said ... the video stated the vehicle was going 80-100+mph by time it started hitting things that could bring it to a stop. Everyone sitting inside it would be matching the vehicle's speed at time of impact and with nothing to make them stay with the vehicle as it decelerated, they all must have kept moving forward at the old speed until they hit something that could stop them even more suddenly than a seat belt--probably the wall of the driver's cab. 😬
Thing is, more people survive high speed wrecks these days BECAUSE modern cars are designed to crumple like they do. The goal is to let everything else get messed up absorbing the crash energy so that the passengers both 1) aren't crushed by any of that crumpling and 2) only suffer a deceleration/impact that's been gentled enough that any direct bodily injury is survivable.
So the back section of the body of the limo being so intact, despite it being an 80-100mph crash ... to me it was a bad sign. At least the driver had an engine compartment that tried to crumple a little to cushion his impact. The poor passengers in the rear ... they had nothing. :(
5 to 15 years is a complete insult to the families. They did so many things wrong and all fault is on them. Them not taking responsibility for the accident is just as bad as the punishment the legal system gave them. Sickening
Even if they broke the Pakistani on the wheel, the family would never be made whole. Although in this case, I'm all for breaking the paki on the wheel.
How bad were the rest of those limos if that's the one they sent? It's outrageous that prosecutors would even try to make that deal. The judge was right for blocking that deal. He deserved more time than he got. The father should have went to jail too.
I remember very well when this happened. I wasn't upstate at the time, but my mother and father were, and were attending the History Fair going on at the Old Stone Fort (an old historic revolutionary war fort in the area) at that same time less than a mile away from when this took place. All my parents heard were the rush of many sirens going towards the accident. They didn't know what was going on, but knew something was very off.
Four sisters perished in this tragedy! I am in shock as I just can’t imagine what their parents are feeling! Two brothers as well! One of absolute worst stories I have seen UA-cam 😢
And the area they were all from isn’t big so almost everyone knew the victims in some way or another.
You Must Not Get Around UA-cam Much... I Have Heard Much Worse Stories Than This... It Is Like A 1/10 Compared 2 Rape Cases, Molestation, And, The Stories Of "Indian Residential Schools 4 Example" ... No Offense Intended But, I Think You Have More Empathy For Personal Reasons... I Find It Hard 2 Sympathize With Privileged WT BDay Limo Riding PartyGoers... (Not Like It Was A Schoolbus Full Of Kids, That's A 100% Tradjedy ) , They Wore No Seat Belts And They Knew The Vehicle Was Not The Best Maintained And Anytime You Drive In The Back Of A Mass Transport Vehicle There Is A Risk Of Driver Error Or An Accident... That Risk Was And Is Still On Them... It Was A Single Vehicle Accident & If The Vehicle Sounded So Bad Why Get In , And If I Did I Would Be Watching The Driver Like A Hawk, Telling Him 2 Slow Down ... And I Would Have Ask Him 2 Test Out The Brakes 4 Me And Be Extra Careful With A Vehicle Weighing So Much... The Driver Must Have Been Speeding , Bad Brakes OR No Brakes , Or It Wouldn't Have Ended Up In The Situation It Was Found... And That Is On The Passengers As Well 2 Tell Him 2 Slow Down If It Feels & Sounds Unsafe, Time 2 Get Out & Call 4 Another Ride...
In fairness this is largely irrelevant. They could have all been in the same family or total strangers. Really not a whole lot of difference there.
Why are sisters and brothers worth more than unrelated people?
@@holladiewaldfee6071 Because of the devastating effect on a single family.
I live extremely close to this area, in Albany. This is a huge story that's been going on for awhile now, and with how serious it is, rightfully so. It's a whole slew of people pointing the finger at others, saying they're either "Not to blame," or they're trying to 'minimize' their involvement in the whole scenario. They're trying to say Mavis Tire shop is at fault for charging for work that they never did. It's still the owners RESPONSIBILITY NOT to put that vehicle into service if it's still not mechanically sound. Besides that, this limo was a death trap, and I can guarantee that without even looking at it. Those Ford products aren't any newer or less rusty with age. This vehicle/ where we live is the "Rust/ Salt Belt." As a NYS inspectors license holder/ 25+ year tech at many stealerships and whatnot, that thing had no business being on the road. AFAIK, the DOT said pretty much the same thing. These limos and similar types of vehicles are modified by what's called a 'Coachworks' company. They aren't usually converted as well as they look from appearance on the outside. When you get down and look at the chassis especially, this is usually just the 'tip of the iceberg' when it comes to shoddy work. This is the general consensus amongst a lot of technicians like myself. Some of the stuff I've witnessed over the years is 'Hack job city.'
I feel terrible for the poor people who lost their lives that fell victim to negligent ownership. That's what it really boils down to in the end. That hooptie with the suspension that was most likely falling out of it/ 99% of the undercarriage all rotten, BESIDES the fact that it supposedly had no brakes. RIP to those families, and the owner should be ashamed of himself, and he best get ready to hear the UNMISTAKABLE sound of the cell door slammimg shut behind him. 👍👋✌️
i bought my first car in 2020. it was a 1998 ford taurus. it had been manufactured in missouri but i live in georgia (and purchased the car in georgia). i didn’t know abt the possibility of rust from road salt. the undercarriage was rusted so bad that, when i got into a car wreck, things were able to enter the cabin through the floorboard & cut up my leg. ford really REALLY has to get their shit together
@@misseselise3864
Definitely sorry to hear about that happening to you. Think about how your frame was crumbling from rust, and imagine the rust, and in addition some crappy ass welds/ pieces of metal scabbed over the frame to extend the limo in question... ugly stuff, and yeah Lincoln= Ford (FoMoCo.) Unfortunately it's not just Ford, but the majority of Domestic manufacturers Chevrolet, Chrysler/ Dodge/ Jeep, etc cheap out on their undercoating protection on the chassis/ frame rails/ floor pans. Makes the rust and salt just eat through it like nothing. Believe it or not, these service departments at these stealerships stay in business and keep a steady flow of customers coming through their doors for car repairs because manufacturers actually DESIGN certain parts/ systems/ modules, etc to FAIL PURPOSELY!!! This keeps them in business, regardless of the fact that the poor customer just spent a small fortune on this pile of crap vehicle. Practices like this are what made me stick my middle finger up to the stealerships and go into business for myself. I had plenty of customers because when you treat people right/ honest they tend to follow you. I have master tech certs and I specialize in European cars, specifically BMW, VW/ Audi but I work on pretty much anything, because a 'car is a car' for the most part anyway. I can honestly say from experience, the European/ Japanese cars are built better and they simply last longer. I love this country but they can't build a car for shit generally speaking. Especially the modern ones. Back in the day they at least would last. Now they're practically disposable along with Kia's and Hyundai's. What pieces of trash.
@@misseselise3864 , So Ford is responsible for a 22 year old car from a state that uses salt on it's roads ? Maybe living in a state that doesn't require vehicle inspections every year or even at time of purchase is more likely the problem. If the car was that bad ,it should have never been allowed off the dealers lot except to get scrapped . I watch mechanics on UA-cam who one is in Florida where there are no inspections. I cringe when I see what death traps are allowed to drive down the road . An inspection in NY cost $22 a year. I'll gladly pay it knowing my car will stop, parts won't break and not break in twelve pieces when in an accident . Pretty cheap insurance to prevent your families death or even yourself and others.
The worst part of all of this is that they cancelled their original limo rental. And these clowns were probably the only limo available limo in a short time frame. Can you imagine that one simple decision killed so many people?? So many families were affected by this, unbelievable...
What makes it even more horrible is the fact that they were trying to be responsible by taking a limo to the brewery so no one was driving under the influence.
Why didn't he get life??? He killed 20 people and only gets up to 15 years??? OMG!! No justice here!!!!
I grew up 5 minutes from this intersection. The saddest part is there was no good reason to take that hill. There's I-88 and an exit ramp literally 1/2 mile North. If they were coming down Route 30: West on 7 and South on 30A to avoid that monster. I'll assume the driver was just following turn by turn and not planning ahead.
Very well done and quite accurate depiction of a terrible incident in my area. It seemed so strange to hear familiar roads and places refered to on a channel where I watch bad things happen to ""other" people. The hill on Route 30 going down into Schoharie is STEEP and long. Those poor people had way too long to see and feel the limo gaining speed as it hurtled down it.
This channel does docs way better then fully funded for network tv documentaries
That's how I felt when watching that one Disasterthon video on that girl who died snowed in in her car in Buffalo during last December's bomb cyclone! O_O
I’d bet yeah must’a been a hell of a ride, if I was in such a situation I would put down the fist liquor bottle I see and give a long passionate kiss to one of them girls
@@RewskOnTV weirdo
@@flowersinthefire far from that sweet❤️ …actually I was in a Punk band called the WEIRDOS
You gotta feel for the first responders.😥
Your videos are always interesting, Dark History. I feel that your videos are perfect examples of how we can/should learn from the past.
similar to this case, you should do an episode on the 2016 CA 1-10 tour bus crash in Palm Springs .
Read the NTSB report on this as soon as it came in. This always bothered me. Especially the shady behavior of the New York State police with the NTSB during investigation.
Not surprised
It's a fake event. Super corrupt town!
*This was absolutely heartbreaking*
The little eye roll before the screech is such a nice detail that just makes the entire thing pop more for me
What baffles me is how they only gave citations (pieces of paper) to the company, when it’s something this serious, instead of acting with the aggressiveness it merited, in order to prevent a tragedy like this.
They should have sent a small team escorted by police, go seize the vehicles themselves (or at least put a boot on them? But a sticker was supposed to do the job?), shutdown the business and charge them with a hefty fine and costs of towing, etc. Why rely on them doing the right thing now in surrendering their vehicles, when the reason they were in hot water is because they were irresponsible and didn’t give a fuck to begin with. I hope that limo law they passed addresses this. More aggressive action by all government agencies dealing with this type of affair.
When they said “citations” in the video, I just figured it was some sort of exotic fruit. Thanks for clearing it up that “citations” are of a paper nature 👍
What's worse is knowing that the operator removed the sticker willfully to continue operating the unserviceable vehicle. For money of course. And the lack of maintenance was astounding. Company vehicles should not fall into such disrepair that there's visible rust. Especially for a vehicle that's supposed to be high end, but any vehicle for that matter that's being used as a service to transport others. This story reminded me of the stretch duck story, these companies take rigs and modify them outside of their certified operation capabilities and then don't ensure that the modifications are stable or even safe. At that point it's just a matter of time before disaster occurs.
@@KahlessTheUnforgettable In speech that’s called adding emphasis. A citation may mean something to some, but it’s just a piece of paper to the ones who don’t care about consequences (like these people). It wasn’t a clarification due to thinking people don’t know what it means.
@@tearainey1 Exactly! Which is why it upsets me so much that they only gave them citations and put a sticker on the windshield. Because you’re correct, this was going to happen inevitably, it was just a matter of time. So much life lost. It was totally avoidable.
@@simplyrowen Oh yeah, I totally get it! Are you an English major as well? Oh, I agree “a citation may mean something to some…” because I was absolutely certain it was an exotic fruit. God bless your emphatic speech friend! All the best!
Feels different when it’s a disaster from your own area. I knew several firemen who went to this crash, one of whom I was going to college with when this occurred.
How is he doing? He must have suffered so much emotional pain that night. Bless him. 🙏
@@gentlespiritjw4904 He’s doing better. Rarely talks about it of course. He was a volunteer with a department that was on standby and covered other departments that went to the crash, but he ended up going to the scene with the county’s volunteer hazmat team instead when they got dispatched. All he’s ever told me was that the cleanup was horrific. He’s still a volunteer firefighter, though he moved to another department in the same county.
looking into the limo must have been like opening a microwave that hasn't been cleaned in months. I would have been like "EWWW! YUCK! GROSS!" and god the smell must have been terrible.
@@cruisingscenesandtakingbea4197 dude you keep commenting horrific shit but in reality, that limo smelled like gasoline and wreckage. As the sole survivor of a fatal accident that took my fiancé, your comments are extremely triggering. The rescue team was there asap and most riders died instantly from spinal separation as my partner did upon extreme impact, the rescue team suffered trauma from removing the deceased/from the loss of life you "don't care about" than gore & supposed smell. Be the best human you can be, learn empathy.
@@spookyteal first of all, gasoline and wreckage DOES smell bad. You should know, shouldn't you? Second, you dont learn empathy, you either have it or you dont or you have it and you're too young/stupid to understand it or do anything practical with it. I have empathy... for children, for animals, for the mentally infirm or the elderly. I am simply choosing not to feel any empathy for these people except for the driver and the innocent bystanders. I will make light of their deaths, be perfectly fine with it and there's absolutely nothing anyone can ever tell me about it.
I was living near where this happened, The first responders really struggled, I can’t imagine what they saw, and probably see to this day.
Thank you for the video.
my uncle was one of the investigators for this whole thing, it messed him up pretty bad
Bet they looked like the human equivalent of mashed potatoes
@@00GrnGT what an unnecessary and distasteful comment.
@NoneYaBusiness my comment is NoneYaBusiness..mind your own.
@@00GrnGT I have seen plenty of bodies, over 450 road accidents as well as the "2002 Überlingen mid-air collision". Bodies are pretty robust. You´d be surprised how intact they look (even after falling from thousands of feet). To a lot of rescuers, this is as horrifying (the look of death) as seeing innards or broken skulls.
Oh yeah? Well, my uncles mums cousin was the LEAD investigator. Small world.
The force of 80mph coming to a sudden stop is crazy, they would've legit just crushed eachother to death
Yup like an elevator in free fall
@@worldofdoom995 that's the best comparison you could've given, my mind went blank trying to find an event to compare it too
Or snapped their necks on the rear partition from the impact as they flew through the air at 80mph to 100mph.
It DIDN’T come to a SUDDEN stop. WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!
@@traybern The limo didn't, but the passengers did. 18 people traveling 20mph before colliding with each other/the interior of the limo. Guaranteed snapped necks, skulls crushed, bodies crushing other bodies, internal organs bouncing around inside the bodies from the forces.
Wow!! I’ve never heard of this. How horrific!! My condolences to all involved and to the loved ones. My goodness I can’t get that picture out of my head!!
😱 I can’t even started imagining what the family and friends went through. What tragedy! 😢😢
When money is involved, people will NOT self regulate. Greed is a deadly sin for a reason and the only difference between Hussain and any given billionaire is scale.
Justice was not done in this case, that man is culpable for 20 murders. It was not negligence, but a choice.
He got the original easy sentence because he's an FBI asset. Even the second sentence is an easy one. Remember everyone: there's one set of rules for the administrative state, and the regular set of rules for the rest of us. We have to follow the Constitution, they do whatever they feel like.
@@Heike-- Then there are the third set of rules for the wealthy and ones who know how to make money
B-but the Republicans told me rules kill businesses
@@fritzfxx Republicans also told you that the FBI is corrupt and only serves its own interests. Crazy conspiracy theory, eh?
@@fritzfxx Do you think the lack of self regulation around money stops just because it’s the government?
I've never buckled up in a limo. I didn't know limos even had seatbelts.
I buckle up in all vehicles except for buses and trains, but the exception is only because of the absence of seat belts.
@@michaelbujaki2462congratulations
Such devastation. Absolutely heartbreaking.
Meanwhile a mom got 5 years for lying about an address at her daughter’s school. This is outrageous! And what
about the dad?
What mom and what dad?
Yeah remind me of whenever I'm on my way to Louisville Kentucky I always passed that sign that says sight of the fatal bus crash.
GRAPE SHOT why would you say that? That accident was in Upstate New York not Louisville Kentucky they are in two different states and many miles away from each other.
@@daniellewoolley8607 When he drives to Louisville, Kentucky, he passes by the accident scene where he can read the sign. Understood now?
Great video as always, but small pedantic point... 10,000 lb is 4,500 kg, not 45,000. That's essentially the weight of a fully loaded semi 😂
Yeah thought 45 tons was a tad much for a limo 😂
@Insert Name i can recommend plainly difficult. Its bit different but still better
@Insert Name I'm pretty sure it's a typo or mistake from someone who's struggling with the international metric system. Everyone can make a mistake.
@Insert Name if you don't like it leave and stop bitching its not hard
Yes, that was at typo. Fixed that part and it should be updated in a couple hours. Thank you for letting me know
I worked with a girl who passed in this tragedy. I’m from Albany New York and worked in colonie with one of the young women who passed. We worked together for three years about 6 years before this happened. I couldn’t believe it when I heard her name on the news..
Very good video on this terrible incident.
If only the driver hadn't had THC in his system then the brakes wouldn't have failed.
I love weed, I am literally high right now. I’m not just some hater.
It is not an important fact on its own that he had THC in his system. It is not what directly caused the accident, not even CLOSE! HOWEVER- like the narrator said, it shows that they don’t do regular drug tests. Which, among the rest of the company’s negligence and infractions all added up to this disaster. Look up the Swiss hole theory for plane crashes, it applies here too.
We had one of these limos at my cousin's wedding I could see the highway through the buttum of the door sitting in the back. I am a car guy and told my cousin hope you didn't pay to much. Sad what happened to these people
same with trams and busses in Russia, sometime they don't close doors
I remember hearing about this on the national news, I believe something similar happened on the west coast involving a bridal party on the way to their wedding reception.
Ah yes, was that the one where the flower girl's head was chopped off?
Yeah, I thought tbis was the same one...I remembered it as a bride, not a birthday party. But that's horrible if it happened to both. These "Frankenstein" limos should probably be illegal.
I remember the limo burnt up and the bride died on her wedding day. I saw the interview from her mother.
@@puppiesarepower3682jesus could you say that a little more delicately
To all the surviving family members and friends, my dippest condolences!!!
Disgraceful that he was able to work a plea for probation and community service in the first place. Also disgraceful that the judge allowed it. The prosecutors and the judge should never be allowed near a courtroom ever again.
This man is like Internet Historian telling the tales of the past and we gather around to eagerly listen to his storytelling
The Cost of Concordia is still one of the funniest videos I’ve ever seen on UA-cam.
This is the video that Walter White became Heisenberg
Future grandpa
Would really like to get a chance back for asking my grandpa about WW2. Rip Walter
@@TheSilentRevolution1988 idk how 32 death people or ruined familys are funny bro
That vehicle was already going WAAAAAAY too FAST, even BEFORE heading DOWNHILL!!!!
I’m from the area, and I remember when this happened. It really was such gross negligence.
This is such a wake up call to ask about vehicles in a “limo company” fleet. I rented one for my son’s high school dance last year and would NEVER have even thought someone would be driving a “franken-limo” death trap like this. I’m so sorry for the families and loved ones. 😢
We had a similar situation happen in Quebec. They tightened inspections on limousines and limited capacity to 8-10 passengers.
Good on the judge to throw out the plea deal. But I personally would have preferred at least 30 years.
I'm from this town, I didn't live here at the time (I moved back) and to just know the pure negligence of that company, 5-15 years isn't enough, he should get life, or at the very least 5-15 years for each count, to run concurrently.
That's terrifying...
Like picture that, your partying on a limo and next thing you know the brakes fail. Imagine the terror those poor souls must have felt in their last moments....
The brakes also failed at the worst possible place, that hill going down to the valley is long and steep
I was thinking that too. They died in terror 😢😢
@Leo B yeah that limo driver definitely wasn't pushing his foot on the gas to make it go 130km/hr that's for sure! I just can't imagine how terrifying it would've been. Although I don't understand why he didn't just use the gears to slow down a little bit. The brakes would've been completely out, but he should have downshifted, and you can do this on an automatic too. Most ford's have an O/D off button on the end of the column shifter, if he started by clicking that, and shifting from drive into 2 after that, then 1st as soon as the drive train can handle it, he could have saved some if not all of those lives. I think the driver panicked, because almost everybody knows that you can downshift to slow down in an emergency.
@@DOWNTOWN_AUDIO Also a ruptured brake line in a properly operating system would only result in loss of brakes fed by that line. There are still brakes but they're all the way down on the floor to control the other end opposite the break. Downshifting would sure help as would using the guard rail to scrub off speed, lean right into it hard. Also likely neglected would have been the parking brake, it can't take much heat but might have helped.
I live in the Capital Region of New York, and both the crash and Hussain's trial were big news in the area, especially since the high school some of the passengers went to is one of the more prolific (Shenendehowa) in the area, IIRC.
Also, this might be a local thing, but Schoharie is usually pronounced "scuh-harry".
My friends wedding was 2 weeks before and they showed up with this and they drove around for a bit but it malfunctioned so they had to get a different limo, craziness
@@_travisimo why limo and not a bus🤔
my family and i live in the capital region. my cousins went to school with some of the passengers. i don't know of anyone in the area who isn't appalled at the outcome.
@@vipvip-tf9rw bus requires cdl and special driving school & permits
@@MrWolfSnack clients doesn't need to drive bus, company can hire driver with bus license
your video is one of the best for info ...thank you
What a horrifying tragedy! God bless all this families who lost loves ones. I can't imagine what they've gone through with this tragedy.
UPDATED 7/2023...As a local resident, let me add some left out facts..
The Limo was in a Mavis auto repair shop prior to the accident..Under oath, the MANAGER used a mechanics New York state inspection license to pass the Limo KNOWING full well the brake work Mavis charged for was NEVER done..Read that again...Under NYS motor vehicle law, Limos have a different inspection process than a car..Mavis was not authorized by DMV to do such an inspection..
Luckily the judge who agreed to the absurd original guilty plea deal retired..The new judge threw that plea deal out forcing the limo owner to a trial..
Mavis has settled with a few families yet not all..
I have been on that steeply graded road many times, reaching speeds over 100 mpg for a ten ton Limo would happen quickly..
The limo driver seeing a car at the intersection in front of him im sure made a split second decision, rearend it at a high speed or swerve around it..In that millisecond of a decision, he had no idea when making that decision there were three people walking to their car in the parking lot..
UPDATE....The owner was found guilty of twenty counts of vehicular manslaughter...he received 15 years total..Mavis as of last week settled with four more families..no details were given..
Two were in the parking lot, plus the limo driver and 17 passengers equals 20. Those camel jockeys don't care about Americans. They should all get life with no chance for parole....
Having worked for Mavis in Georgia after they bought out Kauffman Tire in 2018 and seeing the extreme corporate greed of the company, I was not surprised to read that the manager had falsified all the work being done and the passed inspection. While I was working for Mavis, I saw this all the time. Upper management would come into our stores and just harass the store managers into make more sales at any cost necessary. If it meant messing cars up so that theyd come back or straight up lie to the customers that dropped cars off, they were ok with it. Me, as a lube tech at the time, was encouraged to upsell work and just not do it. Id get threatened with being fired if I did my job correctly and doing what the customers paid for, because the managers just wanted us to push more cars to make the profits bigger to get upper management off their backs. When I read about this wreck on my lunch break back in 2018, I quit on the spot. I couldn't work for a company that just caused 20 people's deaths due to neglect and deception, the same things they were forcing me to do. I could not bear to think of me killing a family because my boss told me to not fix a tire correctly, or having an engine lock up on and causing a huge wreck from not performing the oil change. The death of all those people affected me in such a way that I now take my job at the dealership I work at way more serious. While Mavis "did good" by paying those families, I don't think justice is being served. The limo owner isn't getting punished enough, and the manager, tech, and the higher ups at Mavis that encouraged the falsification should be seeing prison time as well.
imagine how long the brake lines are to the rear wheels. they would be useless. so the whole car and 18 people relied on the stopping power of 2 disk rotors.
Unbelievable that a prosecutor would offer a plea deal and give the guy probation the first time around. I'm so tired of DA's offering plea deals to criminals with no thought to the victims or their families, just so they have a higher "conviction rate"
What a heart breaking story .... how terrible for the families of the victims . RIP 🙏
My uncle owns a limosinse service and has one of these in his fleet I am definitely going to to let him know about this when I see him next
We live a bit away from the area. This was just horrific.
wow, great story teller ty, never heard of this, wow
20 dead, and no jail time is down right disrespectful, even 15 is not enough, at least 20.
Why so severe for lives already lost? To save as a warning to others thing it’s ok.
The one person who backed out. I wonder how they feel.
Alive.
@@traybern the relief agreed, but also the guilt
@@traybernI’d be shocked if they didn’t have any psychological issues. They may feel like they didn’t deserve to survive which can be very painful. Yes they are alive but let’s have some compassion too
@@maddieb.4282 So…..they’re SUPPOSED to feel that “It would have been BETTER if twenty-ONE people died, including ME, instead of JUST 20.” GOOD one, CLUELESS!!!
This accident still sticks with me because it was just so crazy to me how everyone died despite the car being somewhat intact.
I worked for the company that serviced that limousine prior to this accident and have no idea how they got cleared of any wrongdoing. It was a popular discount tire chain, I'm sure you can easily figure out which one. The company that ran these limos brought them to us because other shops would not work on them in their condition. We had no business working on such a vehicle and should have never taken that vehicle in. We charged them for work that wasn't done, it was a hack job that we took in for the money because corporate tells us never to turn away a paying customer.
I'm not defending the limo company at all, this was gross negligence on all levels. I just don't know how my company got away with their hand in this crash. Needless to say, I left this company because I could not deal with how corrupt it was.
I have a 2011 Camaro that had a tire leak. I went into a chain tire place a couple years back they wouldn’t even look at my tires bc they were over 10 years old. They had a big sign in the front of the lobby stating that. You’re right on about this!
Imagine driving that thing and realizing the brakes aren't working and you've got a split second to decide where to aim that thing with all those people inside. Oh my gosh. Terrible tragedy.
“It remains unclear why none of the passengers buckled up” but you said the benches were covering the seatbelts. You showed a picture of the benches with no seatbelts. Wtf
“While SOME VISIBLE lap and shoulder belts were present, it remains unclear why none of the passengers had buckled up” this is what he said, and it’s a sound statement. Some were hidden under the benches, but others weren’t, yet no one used the ones that were clearly visible. That’s the conundrum.
It´s not like the passengers cannot ask for seat belts. The first thing I´d do is ask for them. But maybe I am thinking too much about what can go wrong. I wished they did.
@@simplyrowen you weren’t paying attention. The lap baskets didn’t become visible until they took the beach off. Take this L
@@bowlchamps37 you are because they were literally covered up. The OP said that and showed the footage. THEN he made this asinine comment right after he said they were covered by the benches
This happened not far from me. I knew a lot of the firefighters that responded to that call and it was hard on them.
I live in the upstate area and have been through that intersection many times over the years. The fact that NTSB mentioned seat belts not being worn is a slap to the families that lost loved ones due to fact that the car was going so fast when it crashed the seatbelts would have been like guillotines.
Bro the seat belts may have slowed down the impact. Not having them on at all is certainly sudden death or serious injury. I wish you guys would get a clue!! So basically not wearing seat belts at 100 miles an hour is better then not wearing one?? I don't think so bro. I bet if they were wearing them you'd have some survivor's vs none
@@tonygarrett9115 a seatbelt likely wouldn’t have made a difference here. It’s never a bad idea to wear it obviously, but this instance death was almost a certainty.
limos like this are essentially a death trap in a case like this. To build these limos, they have to cut the SUV in half, weld the frame together with parts cut out of another old frame to extend it, and add 20-30 feet on length between the front and rear by adding a patchwork of spare sheet metal and body panels to the re welded frame.
There are no structurally sound A/B/C pillars or anything to reinforce the body. There’s no structural integrity left due to the modifications. There’s nothing but flimsy sheet metal and glass separating the passengers from the outside. It’d be like crushing an empty soda can. Same reason RVs are so dangerous.
I remember this. I’ll never ride in a limo because of this
Same to you
why choose limo, when buses are safer
@bellezanegra0206 you would have been safe in my limo. I inspected before, after, and at every stop. My license was always up to date with all my safety cards. Further more, if it didn’t pass my inspection, it wasn’t safe and I would put it out of service. Sure, they say I drove like an old lady, but all my prom kids loved me and so did their grateful parents. (20 years later at least 2 still call me mom!🥹)
@@vipvip-tf9rw Not really, see the Chinatown bus crashes and Greyhound is essentially a mental asylum on wheels.
I don't like stretch limos that are made from SUVs or Hummers. They are too big and people treat them like regular cars, which the definitely are not
They should also go after whatever company "stretched" the vehicle and didn't upgrade the brakes to handle the extra weight. The limo company wasn't the only one at fault.
The brakes in an Excursion are more than good enough for this weight. Unstretched ones already weigh about 8000 pounds and also can tow more than that. I own one and can easily pull 10,000 pounds. The picture of the rusted rotor is deceiving. They all look like that. The reason it had some glazed rust on the pad contact surface is likely that it was not used for a few months. Any vehicle will do that, and after you drive it a bit the rust removes itself. Structurally that rotor looked fine.
What occurred here was a normally functioning brake system completely failing, and I would pretty much guarantee what happened was the brake lines were very rusty and burst. This creates a total loss of the fluid and if its a front line that goes you get pretty much no brakes at all. I am a mechanic in WI where we have the same rust issues due to road salt as NY does. The replacement of brake lines is a very common thing an anything around here as they are made from mild steel. In fact, I just had to do new ones on an Avalanche two days ago. It had to be towed in as it had not even a hint of stopping power, couldn't even hold itself in gear at idle. I replace them with either stainless steel or nickel/copper alloy to prevent this, but a shop that cuts corners will use mild steel to cut costs.
I'm glad that judge tossed out the deal. How on earth such blatant and callous disregard for safety in the pursuit of a quick buck could be rewarded with just probation makes me hope that DA got voted out at the next election.
@@nickwarner8158 It can even just have been water in the brake fluid.
Truly sad. Its startling how often we put absolute faith in strangers on a daily basis..
Definitely makes me think back on all the times I took the bus to Albany and didn't wear a seatbelt..