@apex_blade If your point had any validity then why didn't more guys score like MJ during the 80's? And don't pretend that those players didn't have offensive game either.
we live in the era where players get paid 100 million and don't even play. The Load Management Era and the era of missing 6 months - 2 years from a bruise...let that sink in.
And yet they pretend to be gangsters. What a joke. MJ made $30 million his last year. Now bench players make that. Yet people like Morant and Edwards talk trash. They both need beat down
What’s funny is the guy spoke out against it and plays more of the style of basketball played in previous generations is Anthony Edwards, but now the old heads have turned on him for saying some incredibly ignorant shit 💀
KG, Rasheed and Ben Wallace, Hakeem, Rodman, Maxwell, Artest, Payton, Bird would be constantly suspended for physical defense and/or trash talk. Ant would NOT disrespect these guys if he faced them.
@ImportAI Most of those guys you named were after Michael Jordan. Ben Wallace Artest KG and rasheed were 2000s NBA stars and Grant Hill and Chris Webber Cooked the dream team
@@darnellwilliams8783 Ant dissed everyone I mentioned claiming NBA was wowed by Kobe, an MJ protege with deeper green light. A G Leaguer and a teen took King's team to 1 point.
@@nationalchampions No Michael Jordan got cooked by the new generation Allen Iverson broke his ankles and Grant a took Michael Jordan to school when Grant was on the pistons Jordan always struggled against him and then Penny and Shaq swept Jordan
I'm 52. I still hoop regularly. Nothing is more satisfying to me than setting a screen where the teenager or twentysomething ends up on the floor looking up at me, wide eyed, because he's never had someone set a screen like that. I learned to set screens by watching Charles Oakley and Rick Mahorn.
I remember my last game a decade ago. I took a charge in a pick-up game and the opposing team told me i could kill the guy. Well, that guy never drives again to the paint after that, got scared.
yea im 45 and i played in Washington Heights during a summer camp 2 years ago with teenagers. I was rusty but after a week or two they couldnt handle me. I drove, I posted, I passed often without dribbling, i operated in the midrange, I set hard picks, I BOXED OUT, i crashed the boards, I played stiff and intelligent defense (no threes tho unfortunately). Meanwhile their entire game was to dribble, fake, dribble jab, step back step back 3 OR, they might of drove to the rim 1 out of 5 times.. I was, in THEIR words, "cooking".. they literally have lost 80% of the game and have focused ONLY on handles and 3 point shots.
Late 90's? That's when Stern broke it, not Silver. Go back to everything before that. Euro steps were travels. Carrying was a thing. We quit regarding the rules of the game.
Actually I patterned my handles after Rod Strickland, my jumpshot and drive to the hole after John Starks the way I boxed out and crashed the boards like Charles Oakley and post game and defense Anthony Mason. I’m a point guard. Pass first. Streaky shooter. I can play small forward as well
Yeah sure I guess whatever point you’re trying to make is there’s maybe wasted dribbles in todays game which is only the case on bad teams is not really conveyed too well. As the right side is at least getting a bucket still.
They actually went to college and learned the game. Now the 1 and done spend 1 season in college and are just focused on showcasing themselves enough to be a lottery pick. Not actually focused on winning a title.
Had to be. Like MJ said, you go in the paint, you're going to pay the price. So you had to be very strategic in picking your spots, angles, and lanes all while having somebody hand check you. You can't take that pounding night in and night out. Body won't last.
Fundamentals were different but I hesitate there because you do see super smart players today. Jru Holiday is a perfect example of a super high IQ that could play in ANY era IMHO. Overall, maybe; the ones today with high IQ's truly stand out when you see them.
@@TheDocmike23 But Adam finished it. Adam Silver did not have to complete the assignment given to him by Stern. David Stern is giving credit as one of the best commissioners in sports history because he oversaw the greatest era in basketball with arguably the games brightest stars, Adam Silver is considered one of the worst.
The gane was undoubtedly tougher. It was definitely more physical, you couldn't carry the ball and guys charged the rim. Now, they do extreme carries and travel consistently because the rules allow them to, which allows them to be more creative. They also jog lightly between 3 point lines and jack up 3s. Nobody has a post up gane either so you can be bony like Holmgen and have no problem having your way. It's soft as hell.
@@hoebertrabeck1621 The rules are mostly the same, they just changed the interpretation for the insertion of gather step, take off step, etc..and when all is said and done, they have 2-3 steps that the referees are regularly letting go. Also the carrying rule is just being ignored by the referees right now that all these "handles" that are so impressive today are all automatic infractions before of carrying, palming, or lifting of the ball
It was because of this i became a jordan fan was him standing up to the bad boys pistons and NY knicks. Instead of jumping ship or joining them which happens alot in todays game.
Let's not forget how many steps NBA players are allowed to take now, either. That's a HUGEEEE advantage in the game today that never existed back in the day. I remember they use to call travelling on Iversion all the time for cupping the ball when dribbling, now every single player does it.
I respect KG , he talked about accountability, and efficiency. Players played 82 games out of accountability to thier teams and the had the efficiency to score with minimal wasted energy. They needed that energy for the long haul.
It seriously is SAD but True. Players that have played overseas and came over have said that it is now EASIER to Score in today's NBA than it is in the league they left!!!! Imagine hearing that back in the 1990's!!!!!
@@soramirez5473It was the same in the NHL back in the 90s. The Europeans and Russians were always considered soft and less physical. There were some exceptions to that (Peter Forsberg comes to mind) but alot of them did take time to adjust to the physicality of the league.
SHOULD BE: *50% physicality 50% skills,* not 30-70. *50% ball 50% business,* not 30-70. _(with players more focus on prolonging their careers by sitting out)_ *50% defense 50% offense,* not 30-70.
@@d.c.thirtythree7752 esp when the defensive 3 sec rule doesn't exist back then. Players knew someone is waiting for him under the basket ready to punish him 😂
@HOGISIMJAYUN exactly, and if you don’t think that mattered in a players game you don’t know anything about sports. Mental toughness was a requirement in all variety sports when I played ball. I was a division 1 Juco All-American I suffered career changing injury at the end of my sophomore season where I lost 5 inches from my wingspan. I played with and against my eras best players since I was 15 years old, my point guard was the 96’ McDonald’s game MVP. I love this sport, I can’t stand when I hear people disrespect it. Anthony Edwards is an idiot
In the 80's there were basically no flagrant fouls but the defense overall wasn't that great compared to the 90's or the 00's. It was a pretty fast paced era and really fun to watch. Also the officiating when it comes to travels, carrying and offensive fouls by initiating the contact was very strict, more than the 90's.
@@sergioa.9695 The Celtics and Lakers only played defense in the playoffs. And even then, it was situational. You didn't see a team play defense 100% of the time till the Pistons and then the Bulls. Problem was when some of the other teams copied the physicality of the Pistons/Bulls like Miami and New York, but didn't have the same defensive skill. So the games just became scrums.
The NBA in the 80s & 90s was mostly big men posting up with his back to the basket. Great basketball is not muscle, strength, and bullying your way to the basket. Great basketball is teamwork, passing for the best shot, and shooting efficiency. I'll watch football or UFC if I want to see physicality.
@@abner0584 They were playing football or UFC. It was dirty basketball in the 80s and 90s. Cheap shots, headlocks, and tackling players purposefully injuring them was not good basketball. I have watched every era since the 80s. Today's basketball is cleaner.
A lot of people say the game has "evolved" over the years. I have to disagree. As i see it the game is "devolving" into something more similar to a Harlem Globetrotters style of game.
@@hoebertrabeck1621 so you're telling me players aren't allowed to gather step? They are clearly allowed to do it in games otherwise there wouldn't be a name for it.
Leflop couldn't score because he didn't have fundamentals. The NBA didn't want a player bigger than the NBA. Jordan got stronger and more efficient every year. These are basically the same from year one to year 21. Trash.
Sports gambling won't ever allow for strong defense in any league. Too much money going around and too much risk of injury to the diva offensive guys. That's NBA and NFL.
I had an argument with a random guy at my company saying that the skill is evident today because when they drive, it's so effective that they often get to the basket before helping can get there. Like wtf lol
The physical activity in the paint in the ‘90s was clearly more punishing than today. The fact that the paint was not only occupied by all-time tough guys like Oakley, Thorpe, Zo, X-man, dirty bruisers like Laimbeer & Mailman, but also the highest concentration of all-time great 4s & 5s in NBA history matters when we talk about the great scorers of that era.
Mutombo, Mason, Shaq, James Edwards, Mahorn, Rodman, Jason Williams (not W choc), Barkley, LJ, Buck Williams, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, terry Cummings, Antonio and Dale Davis, Chris Dudley, Derick Colemen, LaSalle Thompson.. Yea these kids today really dont know.
the 80s/90s/early 00s players were grown men that were incredibly strong, super athletes, and included the greatest big men of all-time. nowadays the league is basically a AAU league with underdeveloped boys that are spoiled, overpaid, and entitled with no heart.
I don't know about 'greatest big men of all time" against a league that had Wilt, Russell, Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Nate Thurman, Artis Gilmore and a young Kareem - everything else you said is on point tho
David Silver made a good point about strong players stopping skilled players just based on strength. But they're gonna eventually find out that the game is more exciting when it's harder to score, not when there's more scoring. That's why Soccer is #1 in the world.
I'm 53 yrs old. I played basketball at city/state level during the 80's in Brazil. I clearly remember thinking about the phisicality of NBA compared to our FIBA rules. Then I haven't whatched NBA for a loooonnng time. Last year I started to watch the Playoffs. I was amazed of how much freedom the ofensive team has got. Traveling, 3 sec rule for defenders (??????!!!!!!!), almost no offensive faults, walking, etc, etc. Not to mention the utter boring Lebron thing... I felt like the game has lost its appeal. I don't want to see another Detroit Pistons winning. But I DO think that FIBA rules would make a huge difference (for the better) on NBA. Thanks for the channel. It's just amazing!!!
The physicality change of NBA, the refs loosening up on traveling/carrying, Techs and Flagrants called more frequent, and Coaching style (team defense structure basketball abandonment) are factors of changing the way the game is played These are ALL things that todays generation do NOT think about or understand when attempting to have a REAL discussion of skill and past eras being great and playing great basketball. Major media outlets do not talk about this enough, all they glorify is stats and unecessary flashy dribbling
80's officiating was very strict, pay attention also how they called offensive fouls. Nowadays basically any drive to the basket or foul baiting initiating the contact would had been called an offensive foul immediately.
There is a video made in 1986 that shows danny ainge and Kevin McHale playing one on one. Danny did a hesi move and McHale called double dribble. Goes to show players even in the late 80's had creativity but it wasn't allowed in game. Imagine those elite players back then allowed to hesi and eurostep.
Also with the inclusion of so many young players (read teenagers)who don't want to attend college, they are absent of the basic fundamentals which eliminates their basketball growth to a huge deficit. They just rely on their athleticism which is great if you're in track and field but is essentially disastrous for basketball IQ development.
If sports is a microcosm for life, then the reverse is also true. The debate about eras is ultimately a debate about generations. No one would ever claim that Gen z and millennials are tougher than Gen X and boomers, and this applies in basketball.
As a fan, old days are 100% better to watch. As a player it was also way tougher than today. I’d say it’d be much nicer playing in today’s league. I didn’t make the league but my god we used to get so banged up back then… and it would be expected that you play every night. It was definitely a little toxic, I can’t lie. Change is for the better imo. But definitely made it easier on the players.
This video was so good I had to run it back and watch it again. Solid upload! A triple step back! That's wild xD the Triple Step back aka The Travel Plan.
The 80s was even tougher on defense, since the flagrant foul wasn't even around back then. The 90s were tough, way tougher than today, but the 80s was a gauntlet. That's why it was a fast break league, because you had to score before the defense was set. If you waited for a half court defense, you weren't getting to the basket.
It isn't "almost two different sports" it *is* two different sports. I grew up at a time where the philosophy was "defense creates offense". If you didn't bust your a** on defense, you didn't play. It was also a much slower paced game. If you shot the ball within 2-3 passes, most coaches would lose their mind. I would have LOVED to play today's version of basketball. Where there's basically double the shot attempts and much less effort on the defensive side?? Shoot.. Sign me up! In 2003, my little 1A school played a 3A school named Buffalo Island Central. They started 5 guards. Their entire system was "shoot a 3 as fast as you possibly can". They blew us out 😅. But I'll never forget my coach saying at halftime: "This isn't basketball. This isn't the way the game is supposed to be played." 20 years later, it's exactly how the game is played, on every level. I bet my old coach hates it.
It was a much faster game especially in the 80s where fastbreaks were a dime a dozen. Do you know that the average scores in the 80s are 109 pts a game while today is 112? This is only because the rules are made overwhelmingly for the offense today. There is also that they attempt more than 36 3 pt shots a game today while in the 80s, they just average 3 point something attempts.
I say this all the time. LOL I try not to go hard on the kids thinking Lebron is the GOAT because what do they have? Us 80s/90s kids were spoiled/lucky AF. Everything from sports to music to tv to cartoons to movies to comic books to toys was great.
3:27 I think Payton and Hakeem's names should be included in that group. In my opinion, the best defensive guard (Payton), best defensive forward (KG) and best defensive player of all-time (Hakeem) all set the tone for that decade of basketball (1995-2005)... to go along with Jordan and Kobe, who were two of the most tenacious defenders and arguably the 2 best perimeter defenders of all time. Hakeem, KG, Kobe, MJ, GP... That is the 1st-team All-defensive team of all-time in NBA history, and they dominated for about 10 years together. Includes 4 guys who were 9-time 1st team all defense, plus 2-time DPOY and 5-time 1st team all defensive team, Hakeem The Dream.
I think what upsets most real hoop fans out there, is that the perfect version of the NBA ruleset definitely exists but we are actively being robbed of it. I imagine it as a blend of 90's defensive toughness/grit combined with the spacing provided from modern 3 point shooting. That way, post ups and cutting would remain viable options. Not sure if it would be a perfect correlation, but I think it might eliminate the excessive dribble motions synonymous with the players of today.
The 90s NBA was post play style because rules such as illegal defense rule which meant no Zone defense, the Charles Barkley rule and a shortened 3pt. Line favored the era.
Wizards Jordan averages 32 in today's NBA easily! If he has freedom of movement he had such a mind for the game that he could have the athleticism of Luka and still be amazing! Jordan could have played until he was 43 or 44 in today's era
Im 45 and an AVID NBA fan of ALL eras I've lived through, and I'm here to say, THE LATE 90S EARLY 2000S WAS THE TOUGHEST ERA BAR NONE. TODAY IS EASY AS HELL TO SCORE. 10 PEOPLE AVG OVER 26-27! WTF
The current version of basketball isn't basketball. Defense isn't played currently. You end up with a glorified shoot around or weekend pick up game at the local court.
Something people that didn't watch then or do research don't get. Much tougher, much harder to score. Different rules, different era. It's all relative.
Today's NBA is a video game anyone ever play a basketball game with like their little brother(nephew or cousin) and they just run down court and jack up 3's and then wonder why they lost or get over excited when they win, that's today's NBA sports fan....your little nephew just grew up that's all.
Today's players act like they are the first to have crossovers, stepbacks, shamgods, etc. That shit has been going on for 50yrs it's just that, in a game of 5 on 5 where a team is building chemistry and working toward a common goal of winning a title, those moves in iso, especially when they result in a long range contested jumper, are a complete waste of energy and a net negative play for the team's ultimate success. Most NBA players since the 60s/70s after witnessing Pistol Pete and others, have one on one dribbling and ball handling skills, but had the good sense and positional assignments not to waste much time with it in favor of efficiency and team oriented ball movement/shot selection. The clip of James Harden illustrates eveeything that is wrong with the way young kids, when left to their own devices, choose to play the game. There is nothing more nauseating than a player who has his man beat off the dribble but chooses to retreat and cross him over again in pursuit of hitting a stepback 3 in the defenders face on a late closeout. The best thing young players can do is what Lebron did prior to finallt having some success, which is study the nuances of Hakeem's post game from the man himself. Jordan was amazing at creating shots for himself after he beat his inital defender and took flight, but what got him the rings was becoming more efficient in his pull up, post, and turnaround jumper moves. Then as a defender the tedious study of their opponents' footwork, body control, and tendencies that allow them to know when to go for a steal, or know when to attack helpside for a blocked shot. These are the skills that the champions of the 80s-90s had that Edwards lacks. These are the skills the highlight reel doesn't always catch, but the young fella needs to check the reel and do his homework because the BAG WAS MOST CERTAINLY THERE too. Players just knew better than to bring out unecessary tools at the wrong time, and especially not to show off and miss!!!
It’s just funny how kids today don’t know basketball. The 3 second rule is HUGE. Which is why one player shoots 70+ from 0-3 feet an unprotected Rim but sucks at midrange.
It was introduced to counter balance to allowing of zone defense back in 2001. Still wasn't a problem when teams keep playing traditional lineups during all the 00's and into the 10's. The problem started when the game changed drastically and now it's absolutely an outdated rule that should be removed.
I've been explaining that 3 second lane violation when someone try's to argue about 90's being weak (according to them) so far that thing will shut them up especially those LeBron fans they love downgrading the 90's but when you get to argue with them, then there you can see how ignorant they were.
I said it more then once an I'll continue to say it an it's the reason why I don't watch every basketball game anymore like I used to. Because most players in today's game are not hungry an don't wanna work on getting better at the game or don't wanna show up. Which is why I watch certain players games an others in today's era because i respect their work an their drive an other players I don't care to watch much anymore. Now back in the day if I would record pretty much every single game don't care if I liked or disliked the team playing or not I still gave credit to every man who stepped on the court an tired to watch every single game I could.
I watched old nba and now days i simply can't...i only watch Euroleague and FIBA world cups or euros, i tried watching againg these past playoffs but I can't, boring asf. Miss those times tbh..
Rule changes and euro league rules adopted by the NBA is hurting Association. (No hand checking, walking, zone defense, offensive fouls allowed, etc. )
The vintage footage from when the game was actually good and watchable looks like grown men but the new modern garbage looks like a bunch of teenagers playing AAU
also, its easy to cherry pick clips of players score now with the paint empty and clips of the paint being congested with big men in the paint on a play. u can do that same thing vice versa
Man...if South Sudan won that olympic game, (U.S. won by one point) newheads would be thinking it was wizardry. The thing alot of people mess up when talking about basketball is, they start with glorifying the bad logic and not talk enough about the good logic. That's why newheads always seem to leave out the balances. Example: Kwame Brown could play shutdown defense on Shaq, it's here on youtube if you wanna be that guy. See there is levels to this but also there is a stopping point of LEVELS to this; Think of it as: extremes, balances, and passives. People try so hard to glorify or bash extremes (making it seem/pedesataling players like wemby as the best big in the nba, when in reality, he, and to an extent, stephen curry, can just as equally be seen as highlights, not TWIGHLIGHTS of the times, records are meant to be broken), to where they forget basketball is more about balance than it is extremes. The reason I also mentioned stephen curry is, with players like him, there's on you like a dime players that can guard him in the past than there is now you could even argue. (Tony Allen, yes the list does go on...) A true basketball player is someone with balance, or balance specifically for their position. Someone like Hakeem Olajuwon or Magic Johnson. It's not at all bad to have extremes in a player, but you guys take it too far and that's why this new era is so interested in less defense, more 3's, and faster offense. Example: what happens to the unbalance side of a seasaw. It falls downward. Better example: Extremes in basketball=very good or very bad, but also can be used against itself regardless. Balance in basketball=very good or just average, but cannot be taken advantage of as much at all. Call it crazy but I don't see Wemby as generational, I see him as the lesser 7'1-7'4 bigs of NBA history who could also shoot the 3 and so on; Ralph Sampson, ect. Some may question why manute bol wasn't better than he was but you have to realize that at that height, regardless of weight, the body slows and breaks down physically and over time alot faster than someone of lesser height. Given this, there's the few people that try to glorify the really small players, and make them out like they're better; See, is it more about the player, or is it more about your flawed glorification or perspective about basketball - Guards, Forwards, and Bigs alike? People put their hand in an ant nest too much in trying to justify bad, positionless, or highlight basketball. Good basketball are teams like the 2004 pistons, 2005 spurs, and 90's bulls, where plays and everything else have more meaning and a balance rather than haste from the game pace, while still maintaining balanced extremes. You can say whatever you want but in my opinion, the newer era are lesser basketball players compared to the older era. Remember, its not just about offense, like you nimrods make it out to be, but about defense too, and the older eras annihilate this newer era in that objectively. If you do wish to comment against me, great; but do not bring your context beyond rational sense in order to be a troll. I believe what I'd said has valid reason throughout all eras and any form of basketball in its purest form. These same principles apply to the reality of life brothers and sisters.
I grew up in the 90s I think Michael Jordan is the goat and Kobe is really close to Michael. I have an easier time sinking a long range three pointer it’s an easier a stroke than a mid range shot
The toughness of the WNBA reminds me more of the late 90s NBA and it’s great. My wife and I went to a game over the weekend and they beat the hell out of each other.
So tough they needed flagrant fouls to make it less physical and shorter 3pt lines to make it easier to score. So tough about 6 new teams dilluded the playing field.
The flagrant fouls were added because pistons keep knocking the shit out of anybody not just mj 😂😂. And the 3 pt line only shorted on the corners from 23 feet 9 inches to 22 feet. You telling me 1 inches short makes it easier to shoot ??
@@BooperDooper-qb2nd Answer me this. How did 3 grown men foul 190pound Mike in the air so much and he was never injured and never missed a game. Something aint adding up.
@@idk5916 nope i see the chart. The 3 pt line only moved from 23 feet to 22 feet and even without shorted players still keep shooting 3s on average percentage (mj, clyde, sam perkins, bird, mullin, ritchmond, reggie miller)
@@BooperDooper-qb2nd 23 feet to 22 feet would be 12 inches so again, not 1 inch idk how you got that. But, the line was 23 feet AND 9 inches so it shortened 21 inches or closer to 2 feet than anything. If you think getting closer to the basket by almost 2 feet has 0 impact, you're just wrong plain and simple. Also Bird was retired by the time they shortened the line so his name shouldn't be on that list lmao. The more common one to know is MJ going from a 35% 3 shooter in his best years to a consistent 40% shooter with decent volume. Reggie Miller also increased volume and percentage, and then the year that they lengthened it again, his percentage dipped
With the James Harden clip, you didn't mention that he carried abbout 5 times and I think he double dribbled at the end before the layup. He would have turned the ball over many times over.
I do not know if the game is being played better now or in the '90s. I do know I liked watching the games in the '90s a lot more than I do these modern games.
Crazy how they see impact of Draymond on a team and can't understand when back in day many players played like that. Makes you think twice about the physicality.
The fact that MJ averaged 37 with such physical defense in the paint is unreal
Defense in the 80s was dogshit. It only got good in the early 90s.
@apex_blade If your point had any validity then why didn't more guys score like MJ during the 80's? And don't pretend that those players didn't have offensive game either.
@apex_blade the comment is😂😂😂😂. Full of shit. How come teams averaged sub 100 points then?
Make some sense
That’s why I believe MJ could’ve scored up to 50 PPG today. 3pt shots increased, no physical defense, no hand checking, it would be so easy for MJ.
@apex_blade you got lebummy jock strap written all over your face...you a fool with your take kid
we live in the era where players get paid 100 million and don't even play. The Load Management Era and the era of missing 6 months - 2 years from a bruise...let that sink in.
And yet they pretend to be gangsters. What a joke. MJ made $30 million his last year. Now bench players make that. Yet people like Morant and Edwards talk trash. They both need beat down
What’s funny is the guy spoke out against it and plays more of the style of basketball played in previous generations is Anthony Edwards, but now the old heads have turned on him for saying some incredibly ignorant shit 💀
it's a terrible entertainment product. been watching for decades and the 2020s are easily the worst.
KG, Rasheed and Ben Wallace, Hakeem, Rodman, Maxwell, Artest, Payton, Bird would be constantly suspended for physical defense and/or trash talk. Ant would NOT disrespect these guys if he faced them.
@ImportAI Most of those guys you named were after Michael Jordan. Ben Wallace Artest KG and rasheed were 2000s NBA stars and Grant Hill and Chris Webber Cooked the dream team
@@darnellwilliams8783 Ant dissed everyone I mentioned claiming NBA was wowed by Kobe, an MJ protege with deeper green light. A G Leaguer and a teen took King's team to 1 point.
@@ImportAl the older guys started it they should be able to take criticism they love dissing the young generation
@@darnellwilliams8783 you're a damn liar! Michael Jordan played against everyone he mentioned. The only one i'm not sure of is Ben Wallace.
@@nationalchampions No Michael Jordan got cooked by the new generation Allen Iverson broke his ankles and Grant a took Michael Jordan to school when Grant was on the pistons Jordan always struggled against him and then Penny and Shaq swept Jordan
I'm 52. I still hoop regularly. Nothing is more satisfying to me than setting a screen where the teenager or twentysomething ends up on the floor looking up at me, wide eyed, because he's never had someone set a screen like that. I learned to set screens by watching Charles Oakley and Rick Mahorn.
I remember my last game a decade ago. I took a charge in a pick-up game and the opposing team told me i could kill the guy. Well, that guy never drives again to the paint after that, got scared.
yea im 45 and i played in Washington Heights during a summer camp 2 years ago with teenagers. I was rusty but after a week or two they couldnt handle me. I drove, I posted, I passed often without dribbling, i operated in the midrange, I set hard picks, I BOXED OUT, i crashed the boards, I played stiff and intelligent defense (no threes tho unfortunately). Meanwhile their entire game was to dribble, fake, dribble jab, step back step back 3 OR, they might of drove to the rim 1 out of 5 times.. I was, in THEIR words, "cooking".. they literally have lost 80% of the game and have focused ONLY on handles and 3 point shots.
Late 90's? That's when Stern broke it, not Silver. Go back to everything before that. Euro steps were travels. Carrying was a thing. We quit regarding the rules of the game.
I learned mine from Willis Reed, Wes Unseld,Dave Debbushere,Dave Cowens.
Actually I patterned my handles after Rod Strickland, my jumpshot and drive to the hole after John Starks the way I boxed out and crashed the boards like Charles Oakley and post game and defense Anthony Mason. I’m a point guard. Pass first. Streaky shooter. I can play small forward as well
2 dribbles and a countermove in 5 seconds >>> 15 fancy dribbles and a layup 20 seconds later
Yeah sure I guess whatever point you’re trying to make is there’s maybe wasted dribbles in todays game which is only the case on bad teams is not really conveyed too well. As the right side is at least getting a bucket still.
@@ColonCommander less energy to play D. MJ and Kobe won first team all D 9x.
@@ColonCommander only the case on bad teams? Why must yall lie like this? Lmao
The basketball iq was better back in the day too
Way better, str8 up
They actually went to college and learned the game. Now the 1 and done spend 1 season in college and are just focused on showcasing themselves enough to be a lottery pick. Not actually focused on winning a title.
Had to be. Like MJ said, you go in the paint, you're going to pay the price. So you had to be very strategic in picking your spots, angles, and lanes all while having somebody hand check you. You can't take that pounding night in and night out. Body won't last.
Fundamentals were different but I hesitate there because you do see super smart players today. Jru Holiday is a perfect example of a super high IQ that could play in ANY era IMHO. Overall, maybe; the ones today with high IQ's truly stand out when you see them.
Kobe called out the AAU circuit for this
Adam Silver destroyed the NBA.
David stern started it
@@TheDocmike23 I guess you’re right, but Adam Silver buried the NBA and made it a piece of pile of shit.
@@TheDocmike23 But Adam finished it. Adam Silver did not have to complete the assignment given to him by Stern. David Stern is giving credit as one of the best commissioners in sports history because he oversaw the greatest era in basketball with arguably the games brightest stars, Adam Silver is considered one of the worst.
@@dragonray9450 🤝🤝
Lebron destroyed the NBA
The gane was undoubtedly tougher. It was definitely more physical, you couldn't carry the ball and guys charged the rim. Now, they do extreme carries and travel consistently because the rules allow them to, which allows them to be more creative. They also jog lightly between 3 point lines and jack up 3s. Nobody has a post up gane either so you can be bony like Holmgen and have no problem having your way. It's soft as hell.
actually the rules dont allow them to travel.
there is no mention of a gather step in the nba rulebook. its a myth.
Not to mention shooting threes at a 37 percent quip all the time is boring basketball .
@@dangreene3895 it's boring even if they shoot 50%. It's god awful. Slows game down and softens it up
@@KyprosEc I agree can't watch a game anymore . Not to mention the timeouts take forever
@@hoebertrabeck1621 The rules are mostly the same, they just changed the interpretation for the insertion of gather step, take off step, etc..and when all is said and done, they have 2-3 steps that the referees are regularly letting go. Also the carrying rule is just being ignored by the referees right now that all these "handles" that are so impressive today are all automatic infractions before of carrying, palming, or lifting of the ball
Back then it was a MANS GAME
He is so right about "Men leading men". Today you see kids playing in the NBA trying to act tough. Others even cry.
It was because of this i became a jordan fan was him standing up to the bad boys pistons and NY knicks. Instead of jumping ship or joining them which happens alot in todays game.
Hell yeah brother!
Let's not forget how many steps NBA players are allowed to take now, either. That's a HUGEEEE advantage in the game today that never existed back in the day. I remember they use to call travelling on Iversion all the time for cupping the ball when dribbling, now every single player does it.
I respect KG , he talked about accountability, and efficiency. Players played 82 games out of accountability to thier teams and the had the efficiency to score with minimal wasted energy. They needed that energy for the long haul.
Once upon a time European players struggle to adapt because the league was more physical than they used to play now it's basically the opposite.
It seriously is SAD but True. Players that have played overseas and came over have said that it is now EASIER to Score in today's NBA than it is in the league they left!!!! Imagine hearing that back in the 1990's!!!!!
@@MasterSpade lol.. Euro guys ALWAYS had that "SOFT" label and had to prove themselves capable of handling the physicality.
@@soramirez5473It was the same in the NHL back in the 90s. The Europeans and Russians were always considered soft and less physical. There were some exceptions to that (Peter Forsberg comes to mind) but alot of them did take time to adjust to the physicality of the league.
SHOULD BE:
*50% physicality 50% skills,* not 30-70.
*50% ball 50% business,* not 30-70. _(with players more focus on prolonging their careers by sitting out)_
*50% defense 50% offense,* not 30-70.
@august6281 with physical play a players psyche had to be strong too, there was a mental aspect just as much as physical back then.
@@d.c.thirtythree7752 esp when the defensive 3 sec rule doesn't exist back then. Players knew someone is waiting for him under the basket ready to punish him 😂
@HOGISIMJAYUN exactly, and if you don’t think that mattered in a players game you don’t know anything about sports. Mental toughness was a requirement in all variety sports when I played ball. I was a division 1 Juco All-American I suffered career changing injury at the end of my sophomore season where I lost 5 inches from my wingspan. I played with and against my eras best players since I was 15 years old, my point guard was the 96’ McDonald’s game MVP. I love this sport, I can’t stand when I hear people disrespect it. Anthony Edwards is an idiot
The ‘80s had tough physical defense too, remember Bad Boy Pistons? Jordan Rules was very physical. Not only them but other teams as well.
In the 80's there were basically no flagrant fouls but the defense overall wasn't that great compared to the 90's or the 00's. It was a pretty fast paced era and really fun to watch. Also the officiating when it comes to travels, carrying and offensive fouls by initiating the contact was very strict, more than the 90's.
@@sergioa.9695 The Celtics and Lakers only played defense in the playoffs. And even then, it was situational. You didn't see a team play defense 100% of the time till the Pistons and then the Bulls. Problem was when some of the other teams copied the physicality of the Pistons/Bulls like Miami and New York, but didn't have the same defensive skill. So the games just became scrums.
The NBA in the 80s & 90s was mostly big men posting up with his back to the basket. Great basketball is not muscle, strength, and bullying your way to the basket. Great basketball is teamwork, passing for the best shot, and shooting efficiency. I'll watch football or UFC if I want to see physicality.
@@19Marksman79 So the game in the 90’s didn’t have teamwork? Passing? Shooting efficiency?
Then what the heck are they playing?
@@abner0584 They were playing football or UFC. It was dirty basketball in the 80s and 90s. Cheap shots, headlocks, and tackling players purposefully injuring them was not good basketball. I have watched every era since the 80s. Today's basketball is cleaner.
A lot of people say the game has "evolved" over the years. I have to disagree. As i see it the game is "devolving" into something more similar to a Harlem Globetrotters style of game.
Very good point!
1. Zone defense but with 3 seconds also.
2. Eliminate hand checking.
3. Gather steps.
4. Traveling, Carrying, Flopping everywhere😂
gather steps are a myth. there is nothing in the rulebook saying its ok.
@@hoebertrabeck1621 so you're telling me players aren't allowed to gather step?
They are clearly allowed to do it in games otherwise there wouldn't be a name for it.
@@atlien1988 that's called a travel and that's one of the problems we're talkig about
@@atlien1988 here... its simple... read the rules for once and dont believe some dude because he is on espn.
you have a own brain... i hope
Leflop couldn't score because he didn't have fundamentals. The NBA didn't want a player bigger than the NBA. Jordan got stronger and more efficient every year. These are basically the same from year one to year 21. Trash.
Sports gambling won't ever allow for strong defense in any league. Too much money going around and too much risk of injury to the diva offensive guys. That's NBA and NFL.
I had an argument with a random guy at my company saying that the skill is evident today because when they drive, it's so effective that they often get to the basket before helping can get there. Like wtf lol
Yeah, he lacks facts, cannot assess properly, and doesn’t have context.
The physical activity in the paint in the ‘90s was clearly more punishing than today. The fact that the paint was not only occupied by all-time tough guys like Oakley, Thorpe, Zo, X-man, dirty bruisers like Laimbeer & Mailman, but also the highest concentration of all-time great 4s & 5s in NBA history matters when we talk about the great scorers of that era.
Mutombo, Mason, Shaq, James Edwards, Mahorn, Rodman, Jason Williams (not W choc), Barkley, LJ, Buck Williams, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, terry Cummings, Antonio and Dale Davis, Chris Dudley, Derick Colemen, LaSalle Thompson.. Yea these kids today really dont know.
modern nba fans gonna pretend like this video and the information doesn't exist
the 80s/90s/early 00s players were grown men that were incredibly strong, super athletes, and included the greatest big men of all-time. nowadays the league is basically a AAU league with underdeveloped boys that are spoiled, overpaid, and entitled with no heart.
AMEN! BIG KIDS!
I don't know about 'greatest big men of all time" against a league that had Wilt, Russell, Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Nate Thurman, Artis Gilmore and a young Kareem - everything else you said is on point tho
Great Video Uncut Hoops, thank you for this. Jordan’s era was by far the best era the game has ever seen.
David Silver made a good point about strong players stopping skilled players just based on strength. But they're gonna eventually find out that the game is more exciting when it's harder to score, not when there's more scoring. That's why Soccer is #1 in the world.
Yeah Mike hit the gym and made it harder for the strong players to stop the skill and thats how the game should be played.
Finally! A clip properly covering this!!
I'm 53 yrs old.
I played basketball at city/state level during the 80's in Brazil.
I clearly remember thinking about the phisicality of NBA compared to our FIBA rules.
Then I haven't whatched NBA for a loooonnng time.
Last year I started to watch the Playoffs. I was amazed of how much freedom the ofensive team has got. Traveling, 3 sec rule for defenders (??????!!!!!!!), almost no offensive faults, walking, etc, etc. Not to mention the utter boring Lebron thing...
I felt like the game has lost its appeal. I don't want to see another Detroit Pistons winning. But I DO think that FIBA rules would make a huge difference (for the better) on NBA.
Thanks for the channel. It's just amazing!!!
Don't forget moving screens these days, that did not exist in the 90s.
Exactly! they allow the moving screens, but the defense can’t touch the offensive player while they are running around freely
No, because they knew how to set a screen.
@@brushylake4606 lol moving screens today are actually offensive fouls aka illegal screens.
The physicality change of NBA, the refs loosening up on traveling/carrying, Techs and Flagrants called more frequent, and Coaching style (team defense structure basketball abandonment) are factors of changing the way the game is played
These are ALL things that todays generation do NOT think about or understand when attempting to have a REAL discussion of skill and past eras being great and playing great basketball. Major media outlets do not talk about this enough, all they glorify is stats and unecessary flashy dribbling
the leader of the nba sets the tone. When MJ was on top everyone had to work harder to keep up. That makes MJ's era the hardest era
Yep remember they kept throwing mike around, he didnt cry, he got his ass in the gym and bulked up a good 10-15 lbs of muscle.
Not gone lie Dominique and the other dude didn't travel
They really didn't. Those calls were BS. Jordan kinda did the same move in one of the clips, and he wasn't called for it.
80's officiating was very strict, pay attention also how they called offensive fouls. Nowadays basically any drive to the basket or foul baiting initiating the contact would had been called an offensive foul immediately.
@@sergioa.9695 Drives me insane watching players like Giannis and Luka just ram through defenders nowadays and the defense getting called for it..
@@cobra7282you can blame lebron for that. That crybaby brought the football no skill bulldoze to the nba.
There is a video made in 1986 that shows danny ainge and Kevin McHale playing one on one. Danny did a hesi move and McHale called double dribble. Goes to show players even in the late 80's had creativity but it wasn't allowed in game. Imagine those elite players back then allowed to hesi and eurostep.
Having a big player that can stop the skill player causes the skill player to improve their skill and hone it to a sharpened edge.
This era is hard to watch.
EXTREMELY!!!
LeBalco James baby! Balco king of the Los Angeles Lebrons!!! All these people hating on MJ are being paid for by LeBalco and Klutch Sports!
I remember For the Love of the Game era. Magnificent, competitive, committed athletics. Rose the level of all sports as the lead.
Also with the inclusion of so many young players (read teenagers)who don't want to attend college, they are absent of the basic fundamentals which eliminates their basketball growth to a huge deficit. They just rely on their athleticism which is great if you're in track and field but is essentially disastrous for basketball IQ development.
If sports is a microcosm for life, then the reverse is also true. The debate about eras is ultimately a debate about generations. No one would ever claim that Gen z and millennials are tougher than Gen X and boomers, and this applies in basketball.
As a fan, old days are 100% better to watch. As a player it was also way tougher than today. I’d say it’d be much nicer playing in today’s league.
I didn’t make the league but my god we used to get so banged up back then… and it would be expected that you play every night.
It was definitely a little toxic, I can’t lie. Change is for the better imo. But definitely made it easier on the players.
This video was so good I had to run it back and watch it again. Solid upload!
A triple step back! That's wild xD the Triple Step back aka The Travel Plan.
The 80s was even tougher on defense, since the flagrant foul wasn't even around back then. The 90s were tough, way tougher than today, but the 80s was a gauntlet. That's why it was a fast break league, because you had to score before the defense was set. If you waited for a half court defense, you weren't getting to the basket.
That's right unless you were highly skilled
“You good to go?” “Na man my toenail off?” Hahaha KG’s funny man
“It’s not fair to denigrate those that came before” bruh lol no wonder this dude broke lebron
It isn't "almost two different sports" it *is* two different sports.
I grew up at a time where the philosophy was "defense creates offense". If you didn't bust your a** on defense, you didn't play.
It was also a much slower paced game. If you shot the ball within 2-3 passes, most coaches would lose their mind.
I would have LOVED to play today's version of basketball. Where there's basically double the shot attempts and much less effort on the defensive side?? Shoot.. Sign me up!
In 2003, my little 1A school played a 3A school named Buffalo Island Central. They started 5 guards. Their entire system was "shoot a 3 as fast as you possibly can". They blew us out 😅. But I'll never forget my coach saying at halftime: "This isn't basketball. This isn't the way the game is supposed to be played." 20 years later, it's exactly how the game is played, on every level. I bet my old coach hates it.
It was a much faster game especially in the 80s where fastbreaks were a dime a dozen. Do you know that the average scores in the 80s are 109 pts a game while today is 112? This is only because the rules are made overwhelmingly for the offense today. There is also that they attempt more than 36 3 pt shots a game today while in the 80s, they just average 3 point something attempts.
Basketball today is watered down so much. Today’s fans don’t even know.
NBA in the 90’s was on par w/ 90’s HipHop. Today’s NBA is on par w/ today’s HipHop. 💀
On the weekends , the NBA on NBC, was on par with FOX/CBS Sundays for NFL
I say this all the time. LOL I try not to go hard on the kids thinking Lebron is the GOAT because what do they have? Us 80s/90s kids were spoiled/lucky AF. Everything from sports to music to tv to cartoons to movies to comic books to toys was great.
The 90’s and early 2000 the game was better….
There is ZERO defense today. The game is impossible to watch.
Traveling, carries, and crying today
3:27 I think Payton and Hakeem's names should be included in that group. In my opinion, the best defensive guard (Payton), best defensive forward (KG) and best defensive player of all-time (Hakeem) all set the tone for that decade of basketball (1995-2005)... to go along with Jordan and Kobe, who were two of the most tenacious defenders and arguably the 2 best perimeter defenders of all time. Hakeem, KG, Kobe, MJ, GP... That is the 1st-team All-defensive team of all-time in NBA history, and they dominated for about 10 years together. Includes 4 guys who were 9-time 1st team all defense, plus 2-time DPOY and 5-time 1st team all defensive team, Hakeem The Dream.
I think what upsets most real hoop fans out there, is that the perfect version of the NBA ruleset definitely exists but we are actively being robbed of it. I imagine it as a blend of 90's defensive toughness/grit combined with the spacing provided from modern 3 point shooting. That way, post ups and cutting would remain viable options. Not sure if it would be a perfect correlation, but I think it might eliminate the excessive dribble motions synonymous with the players of today.
How do you change the mentality of the modern player, though?
Bro you literally pull the best clips. KG is a goldmine. Great video.
NFL and NBA removed defense and aggressiveness from the game. 90s is the last of the silver - bronze age of sports .
People are more concern to 'be right' which era is what, just enjoy game!
This was a great breakdown debunking these narratives about 90's basketball vs the current era. Thank you Uncut Hoops.
Great, great video. Should be mandatory viewing for any hoppers under 30 yrs old.
@uncuthoops thanks for this & all your videos.
What people are calling skilled is just guys taking 40 3's a night
The 90s NBA was post play style because rules such as illegal defense rule which meant no Zone defense, the Charles Barkley rule and a shortened 3pt. Line favored the era.
At one point, late in Karl Malone's career, he had missed only 7 games total. 3 to injury and 4 due to suspension. Bunch of candy asses today.
Wizards Jordan averages 32 in today's NBA easily! If he has freedom of movement he had such a mind for the game that he could have the athleticism of Luka and still be amazing! Jordan could have played until he was 43 or 44 in today's era
Im 45 and an AVID NBA fan of ALL eras I've lived through, and I'm here to say, THE LATE 90S EARLY 2000S WAS THE TOUGHEST ERA BAR NONE. TODAY IS EASY AS HELL TO SCORE. 10 PEOPLE AVG OVER 26-27! WTF
The current version of basketball isn't basketball. Defense isn't played currently. You end up with a glorified shoot around or weekend pick up game at the local court.
Silvers a joke with what he’s helped do to the game.
Something people that didn't watch then or do research don't get. Much tougher, much harder to score. Different rules, different era. It's all relative.
KG went scorched earth on this era 😂😂
Internet dweebs are gonna argue with the guys who played in the 90s,00s and 10s
Today's NBA is a video game anyone ever play a basketball game with like their little brother(nephew or cousin) and they just run down court and jack up 3's and then wonder why they lost or get over excited when they win, that's today's NBA sports fan....your little nephew just grew up that's all.
Everybody can chuck up mad 3’s and hope it goes in
Today's players act like they are the first to have crossovers, stepbacks, shamgods, etc. That shit has been going on for 50yrs it's just that, in a game of 5 on 5 where a team is building chemistry and working toward a common goal of winning a title, those moves in iso, especially when they result in a long range contested jumper, are a complete waste of energy and a net negative play for the team's ultimate success. Most NBA players since the 60s/70s after witnessing Pistol Pete and others, have one on one dribbling and ball handling skills, but had the good sense and positional assignments not to waste much time with it in favor of efficiency and team oriented ball movement/shot selection. The clip of James Harden illustrates eveeything that is wrong with the way young kids, when left to their own devices, choose to play the game. There is nothing more nauseating than a player who has his man beat off the dribble but chooses to retreat and cross him over again in pursuit of hitting a stepback 3 in the defenders face on a late closeout. The best thing young players can do is what Lebron did prior to finallt having some success, which is study the nuances of Hakeem's post game from the man himself. Jordan was amazing at creating shots for himself after he beat his inital defender and took flight, but what got him the rings was becoming more efficient in his pull up, post, and turnaround jumper moves. Then as a defender the tedious study of their opponents' footwork, body control, and tendencies that allow them to know when to go for a steal, or know when to attack helpside for a blocked shot. These are the skills that the champions of the 80s-90s had that Edwards lacks. These are the skills the highlight reel doesn't always catch, but the young fella needs to check the reel and do his homework because the BAG WAS MOST CERTAINLY THERE too. Players just knew better than to bring out unecessary tools at the wrong time, and especially not to show off and miss!!!
It’s just funny how kids today don’t know basketball. The 3 second rule is HUGE. Which is why one player shoots 70+ from 0-3 feet an unprotected Rim but sucks at midrange.
The defensive 3 seconds has to be the dumbest rule in basketball
It was introduced to counter balance to allowing of zone defense back in 2001. Still wasn't a problem when teams keep playing traditional lineups during all the 00's and into the 10's. The problem started when the game changed drastically and now it's absolutely an outdated rule that should be removed.
I've been explaining that 3 second lane violation when someone try's to argue about 90's being weak (according to them) so far that thing will shut them up especially those LeBron fans they love downgrading the 90's but when you get to argue with them, then there you can see how ignorant they were.
Tbh I think it's more entertaining with hard defense instead of so much trading offense
adam silver has helped ruin the game. from traveling being accepted to handicapping defense
I said it more then once an I'll continue to say it an it's the reason why I don't watch every basketball game anymore like I used to. Because most players in today's game are not hungry an don't wanna work on getting better at the game or don't wanna show up. Which is why I watch certain players games an others in today's era because i respect their work an their drive an other players I don't care to watch much anymore. Now back in the day if I would record pretty much every single game don't care if I liked or disliked the team playing or not I still gave credit to every man who stepped on the court an tired to watch every single game I could.
Traveling doesn't even get called anymore.
I watched old nba and now days i simply can't...i only watch Euroleague and FIBA world cups or euros, i tried watching againg these past playoffs but I can't, boring asf. Miss those times tbh..
2004 Pistons, my all time fav team!
The 80s was the toughest before flagrant fouls.
Rule changes and euro league rules adopted by the NBA is hurting Association. (No hand checking, walking, zone defense, offensive fouls allowed, etc. )
The vintage footage from when the game was actually good and watchable looks like grown men but the new modern garbage looks like a bunch of teenagers playing AAU
Its straightforward and sharp in the 90s
It really began with the Bad Boys Pistons and then Riley's Knicks with Oakley, Mason and Ewing
Great Video my Friend !!!!
The NBA players today play exactly the way Adam Silver looks. Soft.
This is why today’s nba is unwatchable and complete garbage
I miss basketball being good
great video, great job....
also, its easy to cherry pick clips of players score now with the paint empty and clips of the paint being congested with big men in the paint on a play. u can do that same thing vice versa
3 seconds rule was the dumbest implementation of all time....
5:47 I'd rather see Harden take extra dribbles than extra steps. He does both though. Extra annoying
Man...if South Sudan won that olympic game, (U.S. won by one point) newheads would be thinking it was wizardry.
The thing alot of people mess up when talking about basketball is, they start with glorifying the bad logic and not talk enough about the good logic. That's why newheads always seem to leave out the balances. Example: Kwame Brown could play shutdown defense on Shaq, it's here on youtube if you wanna be that guy. See there is levels to this but also there is a stopping point of LEVELS to this; Think of it as: extremes, balances, and passives. People try so hard to glorify or bash extremes (making it seem/pedesataling players like wemby as the best big in the nba, when in reality, he, and to an extent, stephen curry, can just as equally be seen as highlights, not TWIGHLIGHTS of the times, records are meant to be broken), to where they forget basketball is more about balance than it is extremes. The reason I also mentioned stephen curry is, with players like him, there's on you like a dime players that can guard him in the past than there is now you could even argue. (Tony Allen, yes the list does go on...)
A true basketball player is someone with balance, or balance specifically for their position. Someone like Hakeem Olajuwon or Magic Johnson. It's not at all bad to have extremes in a player, but you guys take it too far and that's why this new era is so interested in less defense, more 3's, and faster offense. Example: what happens to the unbalance side of a seasaw. It falls downward. Better example: Extremes in basketball=very good or very bad, but also can be used against itself regardless. Balance in basketball=very good or just average, but cannot be taken advantage of as much at all. Call it crazy but I don't see Wemby as generational, I see him as the lesser 7'1-7'4 bigs of NBA history who could also shoot the 3 and so on; Ralph Sampson, ect.
Some may question why manute bol wasn't better than he was but you have to realize that at that height, regardless of weight, the body slows and breaks down physically and over time alot faster than someone of lesser height. Given this, there's the few people that try to glorify the really small players, and make them out like they're better; See, is it more about the player, or is it more about your flawed glorification or perspective about basketball - Guards, Forwards, and Bigs alike?
People put their hand in an ant nest too much in trying to justify bad, positionless, or highlight basketball.
Good basketball are teams like the 2004 pistons, 2005 spurs, and 90's bulls, where plays and everything else have more meaning and a balance rather than haste from the game pace, while still maintaining balanced extremes.
You can say whatever you want but in my opinion, the newer era are lesser basketball players compared to the older era. Remember, its not just about offense, like you nimrods make it out to be, but about defense too, and the older eras annihilate this newer era in that objectively.
If you do wish to comment against me, great;
but do not bring your context beyond rational sense in order to be a troll. I believe what I'd said has valid reason throughout all eras and any form of basketball in its purest form.
These same principles apply to the reality of life brothers and sisters.
They don’t call traveling anymore, lol.
I grew up in the 90s I think Michael Jordan is the goat and Kobe is really close to Michael.
I have an easier time sinking a long range three pointer it’s an easier a stroke than a mid range shot
The toughness of the WNBA reminds me more of the late 90s NBA and it’s great. My wife and I went to a game over the weekend and they beat the hell out of each other.
I hope i can see in this era PRIME MJ, KOBE, SHAQ, BEN WALLACE, RON ARTEST AND TONY ALLEN. Those ppl are my fev players.
So tough they needed flagrant fouls to make it less physical and shorter 3pt lines to make it easier to score.
So tough about 6 new teams dilluded the playing field.
The flagrant fouls were added because pistons keep knocking the shit out of anybody not just mj 😂😂. And the 3 pt line only shorted on the corners from 23 feet 9 inches to 22 feet. You telling me 1 inches short makes it easier to shoot ??
@@BooperDooper-qb2nd Answer me this. How did 3 grown men foul 190pound Mike in the air so much and he was never injured and never missed a game. Something aint adding up.
@BooperDooper-qb2nd you do realize they shortened the 3 point line by 21 inches right? Idk if you made a typo but yes that makes it easier
@@idk5916 nope i see the chart. The 3 pt line only moved from 23 feet to 22 feet and even without shorted players still keep shooting 3s on average percentage (mj, clyde, sam perkins, bird, mullin, ritchmond, reggie miller)
@@BooperDooper-qb2nd 23 feet to 22 feet would be 12 inches so again, not 1 inch idk how you got that. But, the line was 23 feet AND 9 inches so it shortened 21 inches or closer to 2 feet than anything. If you think getting closer to the basket by almost 2 feet has 0 impact, you're just wrong plain and simple. Also Bird was retired by the time they shortened the line so his name shouldn't be on that list lmao. The more common one to know is MJ going from a 35% 3 shooter in his best years to a consistent 40% shooter with decent volume. Reggie Miller also increased volume and percentage, and then the year that they lengthened it again, his percentage dipped
With the James Harden clip, you didn't mention that he carried abbout 5 times and I think he double dribbled at the end before the layup. He would have turned the ball over many times over.
A step back is one dribble as you step back.
Stern and Silver took the physicality of the game so international players can compete to make basketball more popular worldwide
I do not know if the game is being played better now or in the '90s. I do know I liked watching the games in the '90s a lot more than I do these modern games.
Why do the current NBA players always travel (averaging 4 steps w/o dribbling) and carrying the ball like
Marshawn Lynch in beast mode?
Great stats /facts!
Crazy how they see impact of Draymond on a team and can't understand when back in day many players played like that. Makes you think twice about the physicality.