2316 The Flying Gyroscope Wind Turbine

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  • @Vibe77Guy
    @Vibe77Guy 22 години тому +8

    I was actually surprised that you achieved any rotational bias in the first tests at all. Then I thought about the spinning air from the blower.

  • @SSGrille
    @SSGrille 22 години тому +4

    Fins on the outside creates more torque … what if you put the magnets on the inside then the coil right next to that? Or possibly embedded the magnets into the “bubble” for the lift on the leading edge so they became part of the air foil, then get the coil as close the air foil as you can. I find your iterative concepts and process fascinating. Well done.

  • @James-z6x3u
    @James-z6x3u 10 годин тому +2

    Excellent video mate. Love waking up to a new video from you. RIP Patti

  • @uscitizen5656
    @uscitizen5656 День тому +5

    Would have liked to have seen a small stream of smoke to see the turbulence effect. Thank you as always for teaching us something new!

  • @dSquared0162
    @dSquared0162 17 годин тому +2

    Bump on the outside, fins on the inside? Fascinating. I love how your mind works! 👏 👍

  • @ijcarroll
    @ijcarroll 19 годин тому +3

    You could print boxes with a funnel shape coming IN to the holes for a larger wind harvest area instead of cutting holes in a board.

  • @MrTubeuser12
    @MrTubeuser12 20 годин тому +2

    2:20 that air-foil design is basically a Dyson "blade less" fan, at least part of it anyway.

  • @ehrichweiss
    @ehrichweiss 4 години тому

    I learned about the "flying gyroscope" in 1981 in junior high school......from an *astronaut* from NASA. I was lucky enough to get picked to help with their presentation and they asked me to tell, not show, them how to fold a paper airplane and my first instruction was "fold it lengthwise" to which they said, well the longest length is diagonal and they folded it diagonally and then proceeded to show how to fold it into said "gyroscope" though this version is weighted on one side so it could fly stable. I've never forgotten that experience.

  • @rjung_ch
    @rjung_ch 20 годин тому +2

    Thanks Robert, this is really interesting.
    👍💪✌

  • @grendel1960a
    @grendel1960a День тому +7

    how much of the torque is being added by the fins alone, you need one without the aerfoil to test just the fins.

  • @fasteddie8782
    @fasteddie8782 День тому +1

    Awesome video I have a sister named Patty and she was born in 1959 God bless your Patti..🙏

  • @Ferd414
    @Ferd414 14 годин тому

    We made those flyers out of paper back in the late 70s when I was a kid. We called them "ghost cups", and they could be seen everywhere in all sizes and colors. For quite a while, they were *THE* paper airplane.

  • @chris993361
    @chris993361 21 годину тому +1

    I believe the main difference you saw between the two fin types comes down to the difference in swept area as well as the outside fins having a longer lever arm to interact with. It is entirely possible that the internal one is just as efficient.

    • @grendel1960a
      @grendel1960a 12 годин тому +1

      @chris993361 I considered this too, for the same height fin, internally you get less area, the answer would be to increase the internal fin height so the areas match

    • @chris993361
      @chris993361 12 годин тому

      @grendel1960a sounds like it would do the trick to me.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому +1

      could well be - i like the internal fins anyway so that is what I am going with

  • @MichaelRada-INDUSTRY50
    @MichaelRada-INDUSTRY50 День тому +2

    great video Robert, I just wonder what will happen if fins are inside and outside at the same time

  • @atrumluminarium
    @atrumluminarium 23 години тому +1

    I agree it would be very interesting to see a windwall of the inside finned one

  • @thewatersavior
    @thewatersavior День тому +3

    Any value in adding tubercles to the vane or airfoil in this case? Does the cylinder need to be whole? Looking forward to seeing more. Thank you!

  • @charlesjmouse
    @charlesjmouse 23 години тому +4

    I'm curious... How does one get torque from air flowing through a cylinder, with or without a 'wing' section?
    (add angled fins and you have a prop, so fair enough)

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому

      Flettner rotor - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flettner_rotor

    • @mikejones0967
      @mikejones0967 5 годин тому

      @ThinkingandTinkering I think the difference here is in the direction of air flow relative to the cylinder. On a Flettner rotor the air flow is perpendicular to the cylinder axis where here it is parallel with the axis. With that in mind, I also can't see how any foce is generated with a cylinder. Love this sort of though.

  • @rifattarkyararbas4058
    @rifattarkyararbas4058 День тому +1

    Nice work. Thank you very much.

  • @Vibe77Guy
    @Vibe77Guy 22 години тому

    I had one when I was much younger. Really fun toy. Its airfoil shape was to the inside.

  • @salimufari
    @salimufari 21 годину тому +1

    Next iteration is the optimal shape ring with tubricals on the lead & / or trailing edges. Reduce that drag even more?

  • @jimdaly5077
    @jimdaly5077 День тому +1

    Hi just proves, the obvious & easiest route may not always be the best way to go, all the best. 👍🐝😎

  • @12thsonofisrael
    @12thsonofisrael День тому

    Thank you Sir Robert!

  • @8ank3r
    @8ank3r 20 годин тому +1

    Great stuff keep em comin' mate. cheers

  • @themeek351
    @themeek351 5 годин тому

    You could put fins in and out and place your magnets on the outside between your fins!

  • @stevefrancis4949
    @stevefrancis4949 День тому +1

    would either slip into a darwin as I still think they could be the new chimney

  • @martinscrapp7166
    @martinscrapp7166 15 годин тому

    With the 'fins on the outside' variant, perhaps more efficiency could be had by placing it inside a cylinder, so that the airflow over the external fins can be fully utilised. The cylinder could then be used to mount the coil etc.

  • @mykcaz7494
    @mykcaz7494 23 години тому +1

    Brilliant as always

  • @ZacharyYbarra-u1g
    @ZacharyYbarra-u1g 22 години тому

    The flaps always help! Like a yf-23 jet fighter.

  • @pirobot668beta
    @pirobot668beta 20 годин тому

    Brings to mind the 'ring-airfoil grenade' being developed in the 1960's.

  • @Mark_Linford
    @Mark_Linford 22 години тому +1

    Brilliant 😊

  • @stevefrancis4949
    @stevefrancis4949 День тому +1

    The back of cylinder the prongs with the bearings in the middle could the prongs be propeller blades, or would the turbulences make them surplus to requirements

  • @nickrobertson9533
    @nickrobertson9533 День тому

    Could you try using a high valued "fuzzy skin" in your slicer or add a golf ball like surface to the side where you want low pressure (I believe). From my memory the surface creates air ripples so that the pressure is greatly reduced so many times more efficient from that surface.

  • @stevemcdowell8829
    @stevemcdowell8829 17 годин тому

    Robert, I like the direction this is taking, but I wonder; (1) How to maintain a constant distance between magnets and coils at the perimeter of the cylinder when the wind generates lift and (2) How to effectively align the whole assembly (cylinder, plus perimeter coil housing) into the wind?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому

      use guide rollers or just a very big bearing and maybe stick it in a Darwin structure

    • @stevemcdowell8829
      @stevemcdowell8829 8 годин тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering Perhaps, if you build two concentric rings, one to carry the magnets and one to carry the coils, both having an aerofoil lead profile. If both rings have similar lift, the distance between magnets and coils will be maintained. Also it may be possible to exploit the pressure differential that will occur between the two aerofoil rings, similar to the principle exploited by Aeromine.

    • @stevemcdowell8829
      @stevemcdowell8829 7 годин тому

      If the 2 concentric rings were configured to rotate in opposite directions, the speed of magnets passing over coils would be much greater. If the inner ring has spiral flutes on the inner surface and the outer ring has flutes on the outer surface it should be possible to rotate them in opposite directions.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  7 годин тому

      @@stevemcdowell8829 all very true mate - but I get a sense you might be over complicating here

  • @Sailorman6996
    @Sailorman6996 12 годин тому

    I thought you would make use of the lift from these.
    I'm thinking 3 arms almost looking like a regular turbine, but at the end of each arm you put your "tube" facing the wind but with an adjustable angle.
    If you adjust them sideways, your arms may start to rotate.

  • @j.rumbleseed
    @j.rumbleseed 20 годин тому

    Great idea. if the 'wings" were only a mm tall, and went from top to bottom at an angle and more of them, I think the airflow over that surface would cause spin and less drag, and could be added to the internal design. anyways, jjst thinking out loud.

  • @sc-lj9cp
    @sc-lj9cp Годину тому

    I was thinking spinning air cylinders on drones instead of propellers makes them a tiny bit safer if one hits you

  • @TheJonesy555
    @TheJonesy555 День тому +1

    Excellent.

  • @CarlBarratt-mk2lk
    @CarlBarratt-mk2lk 9 годин тому

    carl the blind man.
    i like the idea.
    made a fling saucer in the 70s using balsa and doped paper 18in diameter. worked after a fashion?
    take a look at the "Plasma Channel" latest..

  • @kandsgibson
    @kandsgibson 23 години тому

    I look forward to seeing the next step.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 23 години тому

    I remember making these as paper airplanes when I was a kid.

  • @nunyabiznez8120
    @nunyabiznez8120 День тому

    Either design could benefit from a cone. Have a cone on the inside fin design (wider side toward the fins) to increase pressure and rotational power. The external fin design could have a a cone funneling air to the outside fins for the same thing. Either design could use the same generator magnets and coils on a shaft and have them spinning as one piece.

  • @sarchlalaith8836
    @sarchlalaith8836 17 годин тому

    Hey Robert...
    Wondering if you've encountered the silicon ceramic battery yet? Sometimes called silicon anode battery {I know silly name}
    Wondering if you might teach us to make them?

  • @mesapysch
    @mesapysch День тому

    I would be curious to know if 3, 3 bladed propellers on one shaft, with each one offset a bit (Balanced of course) would be a better turbine than just one prop?

  • @PerilousPaddy
    @PerilousPaddy 17 годин тому

    What happens if you use the wing profile on the directional fins inside the final design you had in this video? Will having a lifting surface improve the efficiency enough to overcome the deficiency over external fins?

  • @nonsensicalnonsense4260
    @nonsensicalnonsense4260 15 годин тому

    Have you looked at the earth inductor compass, the UA-cam account tsbrownie posted it. It's how planes used to find magnetic north as they traveled closer to the north pole
    When it's aligned with true north it's electric output is increased several times. Can this be utilized in your creations?

  • @angelusmendez5084
    @angelusmendez5084 19 годин тому +1

    Great peoject! 👏

  • @Pauuanthakali
    @Pauuanthakali 16 годин тому

    energy in pull than push. placing fan in front pulls sucks air flow into fins spin instead of push blowing into rotor.

  • @roberthopgood1894
    @roberthopgood1894 19 годин тому

    how much does the height of the cylinder affect efficiency
    also try with fins on both outside AND inside

  • @Absfor30
    @Absfor30 День тому

    The wind wall is a great idea, or maybe the ridge line... Or perhaps the funnel type you were prototyping.
    Eitherway this has promise!
    I wonder if you could spare an afternoon to go over some ideas for my power needs on a 1 acre site in the fens.
    Obviously I'd trade my time helping you first of course.

    • @TerrorTubbie666
      @TerrorTubbie666 День тому +1

      I think you should ask KrisHarbourNaturalBuilding about helping you with that.
      He knows a lot about solar-, wind- and microhydro-power, batterypacks, chargecontrollers, inverters, etc...
      And he's starting a business in helping people go off-grid. He can build the whole system for you or just advise you on how to build it yourself. Or if you built something that doesn't work properly, he'll figure it out.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому +1

      Yes I think they do show promise. I get asked a lot to help mate - I get about 4-500 emails posts and comments every day and there will be 20-30 requests just like yours - and that's every day. It's just not possible for me to say yes - I am most sorry but If I did say yes my entire life would be given over to that.

    • @Absfor30
      @Absfor30 7 годин тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering that's understandable, and maybe with your answer being out there other people will see that it's just not possible to open those floodgates.
      Keep tinkering my friend and I look forward to seeing how you test this idea in a scaled up manner.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  7 годин тому +1

      @@Absfor30 Thank you for understanding mate - it may surprise you but it means a lot to me that you do

    • @Absfor30
      @Absfor30 7 годин тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkeringRobert, we have both had a tough year, both suffered loss. Mine was compounded by getting my property back (via the courts) and having to deal with tens of thousands of pounds of damages. But now I have a clean slate with it and I'm looking forward to getting some innovative power generation and storage solutions in place to make the most of the freebies that nature give us.
      I hope I speak for most of us when I say this Robert, "you are a real gem, and we're lucky to have you tinkering and showing us that you can do whatever you put your mind to".
      Perhaps you need some sort of email screener to help with your "admin" load so you have more time to get on with what you do best mate.

  • @eXeYeZ-404
    @eXeYeZ-404 День тому

    Would another set of fins in the middle or back of the tube help increase torque or speed?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому

      to be honest mate - i don't know - fancy giving it a go?

    • @eXeYeZ-404
      @eXeYeZ-404 5 годин тому

      @ThinkingandTinkering I'm sorry I can't help. I'm still technically without my own home.

  • @Ken_Grey
    @Ken_Grey 23 години тому

    we used to make them from soda cans

  • @patricklyons7683
    @patricklyons7683 День тому +1

    Could you not have a cylindrical one within in & so on to say four.

  • @russellzauner
    @russellzauner 20 годин тому

    toroidal or mobius like seems pretty cool things to try

  • @raygunz333
    @raygunz333 21 годину тому

    Why not use both? Put the inner air foils in the outer version

  • @johnwynne-qx6br
    @johnwynne-qx6br 20 годин тому

    Always interesting 👍

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому +1

      cheers mate

    • @johnwynne-qx6br
      @johnwynne-qx6br 7 годин тому

      Hi Robert, a quick question if you don't mind. They are now using heavy flywheel technology to fill in the gap between wind/solar generation and I was just thinking why aren't they also using pendulums as a generator backup or steady pulse input to the grid. Is there a reason you can think of appart from the obvious £cost. Thankyou in advance 👍 😊

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  7 годин тому +1

      @@johnwynne-qx6br I would imagine that is the answer mate

    • @johnwynne-qx6br
      @johnwynne-qx6br 7 годин тому

      Thankyou Robert, I have been studying a small pendulum for quite some time and I am amazed at how little energy it uses considering the amount of movement gained. I have been running it on a solar charged battery and I am sure if combined with wind it could be a useful addition to home self generating system. Maybe it might be something you consider doing at some point. I am half way through building what I am calling a large pendulum as a novel lamp basically a bit of fun but I am sure it could be put to a more useful use. Thanks again.

  • @justtinkering6713
    @justtinkering6713 День тому

    So , as I see it, your getting lift on the top ( not useful), the bottom (not useful) left and right sides ( maybe useful). I don't get it

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  День тому +1

      this is taken from something that actually flies and has been used in airplanes so lift must be greater than drag - also remember fletner rotors mate

  • @grendel1960a
    @grendel1960a День тому

    the next question is if you throw them, how far do they fly?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  День тому

      oh mate - i said in the video

    • @grendel1960a
      @grendel1960a 12 годин тому

      @ThinkingandTinkering lol, you said something like 600 feet, but I was wondering if you had tested your 3d prints

    • @grendel1960a
      @grendel1960a 12 годин тому

      Actually I was really just joshing

  • @mikaelfransson3658
    @mikaelfransson3658 День тому

  • @TuttleScott
    @TuttleScott 18 годин тому

    not sure how that could generate any torque and all you're seeing is different amounts of lift.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  8 годин тому

      You already know it spins - it is famous for it - ergo it generates torque - the question is how much torque

  • @JohannesDavidsen
    @JohannesDavidsen День тому +1

    👍

  • @DudleySmith-ht7nr
    @DudleySmith-ht7nr 20 годин тому

    Interesting!

  • @jameskniskern2261
    @jameskniskern2261 День тому

    Nice intro!

  • @rory_odonnell
    @rory_odonnell День тому

    4th

  • @kylonemesis
    @kylonemesis День тому

    Third

  • @ayyubhasan1699
    @ayyubhasan1699 День тому

    yo first