2316 The Flying Gyroscope Wind Turbine

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  • @Vibe77Guy
    @Vibe77Guy 2 дні тому +9

    I was actually surprised that you achieved any rotational bias in the first tests at all. Then I thought about the spinning air from the blower.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +2

      yeah - maybe

    • @glencahalin4786
      @glencahalin4786 День тому +1

      @@ThinkingandTinkering I was surprised by the first tests too, also the outer fins effectively give that turbine a larger cross section so I'm not convinced that it's a totally fair comparison, I would expect it to give slightly higher output than the internal equivalents.
      However, what I think might be going on, with the airflow is, the aerofoil shape increases the speed of the airflow across that surface, so effectively it should be hitting the "blades" faster. with outer fins that might be producing more edge turbulence, with the inner fins that is pretty much contained, so possibly the inner aerofoil design is allowing the fins/blades to make extract more energy from that increased speed.

    • @glencahalin4786
      @glencahalin4786 22 години тому +1

      Thinking further, if those thoughts are correct then it'd be interesting to do a hybrid version, the internal aerofoil for the air entrance, fins/blades halfway along, then an external aerofoil for the air exit. My thinking there being the second aerofoil would create a lower pressure, than would otherwise be, to help "suck" the internal air back out.
      My thinking/modelling thoughts are largely due to me looking at the circular Flying Gyroscope design as a ( moving) closed loop aeromine.
      As such that would suggest it won't scale up linearly, there'd be a optimal diameter of the circle. However I think it could then be scaled up by using concentric aerofoil circles.

  • @James-z6x3u
    @James-z6x3u 2 дні тому +2

    Excellent video mate. Love waking up to a new video from you. RIP Patti

  • @SSGrille
    @SSGrille 2 дні тому +4

    Fins on the outside creates more torque … what if you put the magnets on the inside then the coil right next to that? Or possibly embedded the magnets into the “bubble” for the lift on the leading edge so they became part of the air foil, then get the coil as close the air foil as you can. I find your iterative concepts and process fascinating. Well done.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      like it mate cheers

    • @glencahalin4786
      @glencahalin4786 21 годину тому

      I think the problem there means the coil then, effectively, becomes part of the aerofoil system, disrupting it's flow and function.
      I'm thinking of ways to do something that would minimise that type of disruption and maybe even add a little "parasitic" torque/functionality. One idea might be to have an inner, spinning, axal, that extends back to an axial flow generator it's leading face being a conical shaped turbine Which is more to minimise the losses than anything else as it obviously wouldn't function as well there, in it's own right, as it would with nothing in front of it, but my idea there is to minimise any interference through the front turbine and to add some torque where it inevitably does do so, hopefully as much as it takes away by interfering with it ;-)
      It'd also give a new element to, further, possibilities If you get the proportions correct, there'd be a point, partway along the axal, beyond which a pivot point could be chosen that would mean it then also acted as a tail fin and pointed the whole device into the wind.

  • @uscitizen5656
    @uscitizen5656 2 дні тому +5

    Would have liked to have seen a small stream of smoke to see the turbulence effect. Thank you as always for teaching us something new!

  • @ijcarroll
    @ijcarroll 2 дні тому +3

    You could print boxes with a funnel shape coming IN to the holes for a larger wind harvest area instead of cutting holes in a board.

  • @fasteddie8782
    @fasteddie8782 2 дні тому +1

    Awesome video I have a sister named Patty and she was born in 1959 God bless your Patti..🙏

  • @dSquared0162
    @dSquared0162 2 дні тому +2

    Bump on the outside, fins on the inside? Fascinating. I love how your mind works! 👏 👍

  • @rifattarkyararbas4058
    @rifattarkyararbas4058 2 дні тому +1

    Nice work. Thank you very much.

  • @rjung_ch
    @rjung_ch 2 дні тому +2

    Thanks Robert, this is really interesting.
    👍💪✌

  • @grendel1960a
    @grendel1960a 2 дні тому +7

    how much of the torque is being added by the fins alone, you need one without the aerfoil to test just the fins.

  • @thewatersavior
    @thewatersavior 2 дні тому +3

    Any value in adding tubercles to the vane or airfoil in this case? Does the cylinder need to be whole? Looking forward to seeing more. Thank you!

  • @mykcaz7494
    @mykcaz7494 2 дні тому +1

    Brilliant as always

  • @chris993361
    @chris993361 2 дні тому +1

    I believe the main difference you saw between the two fin types comes down to the difference in swept area as well as the outside fins having a longer lever arm to interact with. It is entirely possible that the internal one is just as efficient.

    • @grendel1960a
      @grendel1960a 2 дні тому +1

      @chris993361 I considered this too, for the same height fin, internally you get less area, the answer would be to increase the internal fin height so the areas match

    • @chris993361
      @chris993361 2 дні тому

      @grendel1960a sounds like it would do the trick to me.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +1

      could well be - i like the internal fins anyway so that is what I am going with

  • @jimdaly5077
    @jimdaly5077 2 дні тому +1

    Hi just proves, the obvious & easiest route may not always be the best way to go, all the best. 👍🐝😎

  • @MichaelRada-INDUSTRY50
    @MichaelRada-INDUSTRY50 2 дні тому +2

    great video Robert, I just wonder what will happen if fins are inside and outside at the same time

  • @MrTubeuser12
    @MrTubeuser12 2 дні тому +2

    2:20 that air-foil design is basically a Dyson "blade less" fan, at least part of it anyway.

  • @8ank3r
    @8ank3r 2 дні тому +1

    Great stuff keep em comin' mate. cheers

  • @charlesjmouse
    @charlesjmouse 2 дні тому +4

    I'm curious... How does one get torque from air flowing through a cylinder, with or without a 'wing' section?
    (add angled fins and you have a prop, so fair enough)

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      Flettner rotor - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flettner_rotor

    • @mikejones0967
      @mikejones0967 2 дні тому +1

      @ThinkingandTinkering I think the difference here is in the direction of air flow relative to the cylinder. On a Flettner rotor the air flow is perpendicular to the cylinder axis where here it is parallel with the axis. With that in mind, I also can't see how any foce is generated with a cylinder. Love this sort of though.

    • @charlesjmouse
      @charlesjmouse 20 годин тому

      Thanks for the replies... so it remains a mystery to me. I presume there is more to this than air flowing through a cylinder, it's just not obvious to me from the video.
      Maybe the previous video will reveal something. Half a mo'.

  • @ehrichweiss
    @ehrichweiss 2 дні тому

    I learned about the "flying gyroscope" in 1981 in junior high school......from an *astronaut* from NASA. I was lucky enough to get picked to help with their presentation and they asked me to tell, not show, them how to fold a paper airplane and my first instruction was "fold it lengthwise" to which they said, well the longest length is diagonal and they folded it diagonally and then proceeded to show how to fold it into said "gyroscope" though this version is weighted on one side so it could fly stable. I've never forgotten that experience.

  • @12thsonofisrael
    @12thsonofisrael 2 дні тому

    Thank you Sir Robert!

  • @stevefrancis4949
    @stevefrancis4949 2 дні тому +1

    The back of cylinder the prongs with the bearings in the middle could the prongs be propeller blades, or would the turbulences make them surplus to requirements

  • @Mark_Linford
    @Mark_Linford 2 дні тому +1

    Brilliant 😊

  • @atrumluminarium
    @atrumluminarium 2 дні тому +1

    I agree it would be very interesting to see a windwall of the inside finned one

  • @Ferd414
    @Ferd414 2 дні тому

    We made those flyers out of paper back in the late 70s when I was a kid. We called them "ghost cups", and they could be seen everywhere in all sizes and colors. For quite a while, they were *THE* paper airplane.

  • @salimufari
    @salimufari 2 дні тому +1

    Next iteration is the optimal shape ring with tubricals on the lead & / or trailing edges. Reduce that drag even more?

  • @martinscrapp7166
    @martinscrapp7166 2 дні тому

    With the 'fins on the outside' variant, perhaps more efficiency could be had by placing it inside a cylinder, so that the airflow over the external fins can be fully utilised. The cylinder could then be used to mount the coil etc.

  • @Vibe77Guy
    @Vibe77Guy 2 дні тому

    I had one when I was much younger. Really fun toy. Its airfoil shape was to the inside.

  • @azlandpilotcar4450
    @azlandpilotcar4450 День тому

    Nice idea. Liked those when I was a kid. Rather than placing magnets on the rotor(?), maybe place a reluctor ring on the rim with stationary magnets and coils around the edge, and some kind of perimeter bearing support. The lighter rotor would be easier to spin. Wondering if you tried fins on both the inner and outer survaces, or on the leading edge? Traveling again, hence late comments. Enjoyed the video, as always.

  • @TheJonesy555
    @TheJonesy555 2 дні тому +1

    Excellent.

  • @stevefrancis4949
    @stevefrancis4949 2 дні тому +1

    would either slip into a darwin as I still think they could be the new chimney

  • @nickrobertson9533
    @nickrobertson9533 2 дні тому

    Could you try using a high valued "fuzzy skin" in your slicer or add a golf ball like surface to the side where you want low pressure (I believe). From my memory the surface creates air ripples so that the pressure is greatly reduced so many times more efficient from that surface.

  • @CitizenSmith50
    @CitizenSmith50 День тому

    Could you use elongated low profile magnets ~as~ the fins on the outside by angling them ?

  • @angelusmendez5084
    @angelusmendez5084 2 дні тому +1

    Great peoject! 👏

  • @pirobot668beta
    @pirobot668beta 2 дні тому

    Brings to mind the 'ring-airfoil grenade' being developed in the 1960's.

  • @j.rumbleseed
    @j.rumbleseed 2 дні тому

    Great idea. if the 'wings" were only a mm tall, and went from top to bottom at an angle and more of them, I think the airflow over that surface would cause spin and less drag, and could be added to the internal design. anyways, jjst thinking out loud.

  • @ZacharyYbarra-u1g
    @ZacharyYbarra-u1g 2 дні тому

    The flaps always help! Like a yf-23 jet fighter.

  • @roberthopgood1894
    @roberthopgood1894 2 дні тому

    how much does the height of the cylinder affect efficiency
    also try with fins on both outside AND inside

  • @richardglickman7203
    @richardglickman7203 День тому

    It looks like the outside fins have a larger surface area than the inside fins. If so, that could account for the difference in static torque. I wonder which design would produce the greater static torque with fins of equal surface area?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  День тому

      personally I would think not as the size difference isn't isn't that great - but maybe

  • @themeek351
    @themeek351 2 дні тому

    You could put fins in and out and place your magnets on the outside between your fins!

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  День тому +1

      cool idea

    • @themeek351
      @themeek351 21 годину тому +1

      Thanks for the encouraging comment! Content creators like yourself are very rare on UA-cam! I post thousands of comments on a wide variety of topics and channels and I get zero replies! You are always there on a dime to giving positive feedback and I love that about you! I am so glad you are back up and at'em! God bless you Rob!

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  21 годину тому

      @@themeek351 i try mate - i do get more comments than i can realistically answer but i always try and respond on new videos

  • @PerilousPaddy
    @PerilousPaddy 2 дні тому

    What happens if you use the wing profile on the directional fins inside the final design you had in this video? Will having a lifting surface improve the efficiency enough to overcome the deficiency over external fins?

  • @Absfor30
    @Absfor30 2 дні тому

    The wind wall is a great idea, or maybe the ridge line... Or perhaps the funnel type you were prototyping.
    Eitherway this has promise!
    I wonder if you could spare an afternoon to go over some ideas for my power needs on a 1 acre site in the fens.
    Obviously I'd trade my time helping you first of course.

    • @TerrorTubbie666
      @TerrorTubbie666 2 дні тому +1

      I think you should ask KrisHarbourNaturalBuilding about helping you with that.
      He knows a lot about solar-, wind- and microhydro-power, batterypacks, chargecontrollers, inverters, etc...
      And he's starting a business in helping people go off-grid. He can build the whole system for you or just advise you on how to build it yourself. Or if you built something that doesn't work properly, he'll figure it out.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +1

      Yes I think they do show promise. I get asked a lot to help mate - I get about 4-500 emails posts and comments every day and there will be 20-30 requests just like yours - and that's every day. It's just not possible for me to say yes - I am most sorry but If I did say yes my entire life would be given over to that.

    • @Absfor30
      @Absfor30 2 дні тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering that's understandable, and maybe with your answer being out there other people will see that it's just not possible to open those floodgates.
      Keep tinkering my friend and I look forward to seeing how you test this idea in a scaled up manner.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +1

      @@Absfor30 Thank you for understanding mate - it may surprise you but it means a lot to me that you do

    • @Absfor30
      @Absfor30 2 дні тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkeringRobert, we have both had a tough year, both suffered loss. Mine was compounded by getting my property back (via the courts) and having to deal with tens of thousands of pounds of damages. But now I have a clean slate with it and I'm looking forward to getting some innovative power generation and storage solutions in place to make the most of the freebies that nature give us.
      I hope I speak for most of us when I say this Robert, "you are a real gem, and we're lucky to have you tinkering and showing us that you can do whatever you put your mind to".
      Perhaps you need some sort of email screener to help with your "admin" load so you have more time to get on with what you do best mate.

  • @eXeYeZ-404
    @eXeYeZ-404 2 дні тому

    Would another set of fins in the middle or back of the tube help increase torque or speed?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      to be honest mate - i don't know - fancy giving it a go?

    • @eXeYeZ-404
      @eXeYeZ-404 2 дні тому

      @ThinkingandTinkering I'm sorry I can't help. I'm still technically without my own home.

  • @nunyabiznez8120
    @nunyabiznez8120 2 дні тому

    Either design could benefit from a cone. Have a cone on the inside fin design (wider side toward the fins) to increase pressure and rotational power. The external fin design could have a a cone funneling air to the outside fins for the same thing. Either design could use the same generator magnets and coils on a shaft and have them spinning as one piece.

  • @Sailorman6996
    @Sailorman6996 2 дні тому

    I thought you would make use of the lift from these.
    I'm thinking 3 arms almost looking like a regular turbine, but at the end of each arm you put your "tube" facing the wind but with an adjustable angle.
    If you adjust them sideways, your arms may start to rotate.

  • @stevemcdowell8829
    @stevemcdowell8829 2 дні тому

    Robert, I like the direction this is taking, but I wonder; (1) How to maintain a constant distance between magnets and coils at the perimeter of the cylinder when the wind generates lift and (2) How to effectively align the whole assembly (cylinder, plus perimeter coil housing) into the wind?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      use guide rollers or just a very big bearing and maybe stick it in a Darwin structure

    • @stevemcdowell8829
      @stevemcdowell8829 2 дні тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering Perhaps, if you build two concentric rings, one to carry the magnets and one to carry the coils, both having an aerofoil lead profile. If both rings have similar lift, the distance between magnets and coils will be maintained. Also it may be possible to exploit the pressure differential that will occur between the two aerofoil rings, similar to the principle exploited by Aeromine.

    • @stevemcdowell8829
      @stevemcdowell8829 2 дні тому

      If the 2 concentric rings were configured to rotate in opposite directions, the speed of magnets passing over coils would be much greater. If the inner ring has spiral flutes on the inner surface and the outer ring has flutes on the outer surface it should be possible to rotate them in opposite directions.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      @@stevemcdowell8829 all very true mate - but I get a sense you might be over complicating here

  • @mesapysch
    @mesapysch 2 дні тому

    I would be curious to know if 3, 3 bladed propellers on one shaft, with each one offset a bit (Balanced of course) would be a better turbine than just one prop?

  • @patricklyons7683
    @patricklyons7683 2 дні тому +1

    Could you not have a cylindrical one within in & so on to say four.

  • @CarlBarratt-mk2lk
    @CarlBarratt-mk2lk 2 дні тому

    carl the blind man.
    i like the idea.
    made a fling saucer in the 70s using balsa and doped paper 18in diameter. worked after a fashion?
    take a look at the "Plasma Channel" latest..

  • @kandsgibson
    @kandsgibson 2 дні тому

    I look forward to seeing the next step.

  • @Pauuanthakali
    @Pauuanthakali 2 дні тому

    energy in pull than push. placing fan in front pulls sucks air flow into fins spin instead of push blowing into rotor.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 2 дні тому

    I remember making these as paper airplanes when I was a kid.

  • @nonsensicalnonsense4260
    @nonsensicalnonsense4260 2 дні тому

    Have you looked at the earth inductor compass, the UA-cam account tsbrownie posted it. It's how planes used to find magnetic north as they traveled closer to the north pole
    When it's aligned with true north it's electric output is increased several times. Can this be utilized in your creations?

  • @sarchlalaith8836
    @sarchlalaith8836 2 дні тому

    Hey Robert...
    Wondering if you've encountered the silicon ceramic battery yet? Sometimes called silicon anode battery {I know silly name}
    Wondering if you might teach us to make them?

  • @johnwynne-qx6br
    @johnwynne-qx6br 2 дні тому

    Always interesting 👍

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +1

      cheers mate

    • @johnwynne-qx6br
      @johnwynne-qx6br 2 дні тому

      Hi Robert, a quick question if you don't mind. They are now using heavy flywheel technology to fill in the gap between wind/solar generation and I was just thinking why aren't they also using pendulums as a generator backup or steady pulse input to the grid. Is there a reason you can think of appart from the obvious £cost. Thankyou in advance 👍 😊

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +1

      @@johnwynne-qx6br I would imagine that is the answer mate

    • @johnwynne-qx6br
      @johnwynne-qx6br 2 дні тому

      Thankyou Robert, I have been studying a small pendulum for quite some time and I am amazed at how little energy it uses considering the amount of movement gained. I have been running it on a solar charged battery and I am sure if combined with wind it could be a useful addition to home self generating system. Maybe it might be something you consider doing at some point. I am half way through building what I am calling a large pendulum as a novel lamp basically a bit of fun but I am sure it could be put to a more useful use. Thanks again.

  • @sc-lj9cp
    @sc-lj9cp День тому

    I was thinking spinning air cylinders on drones instead of propellers makes them a tiny bit safer if one hits you

  • @pauldent3059
    @pauldent3059 День тому

    I wonder how it would perform as a propeller for a boat

  • @jameskniskern2261
    @jameskniskern2261 2 дні тому

    Nice intro!

  • @russellzauner
    @russellzauner 2 дні тому

    toroidal or mobius like seems pretty cool things to try

  • @mikaelfransson3658
    @mikaelfransson3658 2 дні тому

  • @Ken_Grey
    @Ken_Grey 2 дні тому

    we used to make them from soda cans

  • @raygunz333
    @raygunz333 2 дні тому

    Why not use both? Put the inner air foils in the outer version

  • @justtinkering6713
    @justtinkering6713 2 дні тому

    So , as I see it, your getting lift on the top ( not useful), the bottom (not useful) left and right sides ( maybe useful). I don't get it

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому +1

      this is taken from something that actually flies and has been used in airplanes so lift must be greater than drag - also remember fletner rotors mate

  • @JohannesDavidsen
    @JohannesDavidsen 2 дні тому +1

    👍

  • @grendel1960a
    @grendel1960a 2 дні тому

    the next question is if you throw them, how far do they fly?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      oh mate - i said in the video

    • @grendel1960a
      @grendel1960a 2 дні тому

      @ThinkingandTinkering lol, you said something like 600 feet, but I was wondering if you had tested your 3d prints

    • @grendel1960a
      @grendel1960a 2 дні тому

      Actually I was really just joshing

  • @DudleySmith-ht7nr
    @DudleySmith-ht7nr 2 дні тому

    Interesting!

  • @TuttleScott
    @TuttleScott 2 дні тому

    not sure how that could generate any torque and all you're seeing is different amounts of lift.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 дні тому

      You already know it spins - it is famous for it - ergo it generates torque - the question is how much torque

  • @rory_odonnell
    @rory_odonnell 2 дні тому

    4th

  • @kylonemesis
    @kylonemesis 2 дні тому

    Third

  • @ayyubhasan1699
    @ayyubhasan1699 2 дні тому

    yo first