Greater Manchester mayor reacts to rumoured scrapping of HS2
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2023
- Rishi Sunak is poised to announce that he is scrapping the Northern leg of HS2 and reinvesting “every penny” in regional road and rail schemes.
Manchester mayor Andy Burnham said residents should not have to choose between good east-west links and good north-south links.
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Are we in a 3rd
World country where we can't even finish a rail line!!!
£100 billion for saving 20 minutes do politicians don’t have to wait for 20 minutes more 😂😂😂😂 get a grip we don’t need this fraudulent bull HS2.
We are world leaders in project overruns and non-completion though
The French just built a 200 mile railway for 20 per cent of the cost of hs2
Corruption it was just a way to give money to theirs friends for fake studies... Northern England definitely need development.
Well, we already got a rail line! It even works about 40% of the time. It is always so exciting to go into the adventure. "Will the train arrive?" "Will it be delayed?" "Will it stop before arriving to my destination?"
Well.. Sunak didn’t answer any questions related to this rumour before the conference? Why? Because he knew what they (Tories) were going to announce. Gutless; spineless and a bunch of incredulous liars.
We cannot afford this fantasy project, this country is in terrible debt, tell him to sort out our borders, we should stop bringing in the world & sending money weapons & troops to Ukraine, our own borders are being invaded here.
its because the conference is in Manchester and Sunak is coward
Best decision sunak has ever made scrapping HS2
This is what happens when public stand up and take action
What happened to levelling up? What happened to levelling up for the North? What happened to Northern powerhouses?
Did you actually believe it, they know they can promise anything because they know they won't be around to be held accountable for not doing what they promised to get your vote.
Completely been lied too as usual
Sending Immigrants is the best way to regenerate the North
The French, the Spanish, Germans, Italians etc. managed to do it at relatively low costs. What is up with the UK?
The huge cost of compensating displaced property owners.
@@mudball220 It is a problem, but construction costs are way higher.
Huge amounts being spent on the seemingly unnecessary infrastructure at the various construction sites.
Tory corruption
Track workers wages.. my brother earned nearly 80k last year and he’s going to better that this year
I don’t think it was ever going to Manchester this was the plan all along
Probably for the best, you don't want the Mancs getting to London
Where did the overspending go and how come the Cons didn't notice till now?
If you scrap it. Can you put all the tree back? Thanks
HS2 is planting MORE trees than it removes.
I'll bet my next months pay that HS2 was only ever meant to go to Birmingham, the money allegedly allocated for the Manchester link will be used to pay for the section from Old Oak Common into Euston...
It was only ever about London
Well they paid for it
For decades Westminster has favoured investment in London and the south east of England to the detriment of Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the rest of England.
Total waste of money. Should never have started it. Pure vanity project. They need to open up the lines that were closed by Beeching, and upgrade cross country lines.
France and Japan had something better than HS2 since the 60s. We're wasting a hundred billions just to shave a few minutes from existing journeys.
It needs to be investigated. Smells like corruption with ever increasing costs for something so worthless.
Many of the lines closed by Beeching's report (they closed after he was replaced) were closed because they were underused because they did not go anywhere useful enough.
HS2 is to relieve congestion on the over-used WCML, which was only upgraded at huge expense 2 years before HS2 was announced. The aim of HS2 is to take long distance services off but if a new line needs to be built, then why not build it to modern standards?
I'm proud of you Mayor! Thanks for standing your ground firmly!
😄 ahhh, you think he cares about you 🤭
Just pointless whinging
@@michmunroe.9196 He does. He's a rare beast and that's why he doesn't want to lead the Labour Party and have to be a seat warmer for the Tories.
@@Storm.Z.4u if everyone thinks the same way like you, we would have no chance to change or to compete with the rest of the world. But that might be better for our mental health …PEACE
@@PaulK-ve1pu yeah he does, they care so much, not a cigarette paper difference between both parties, both parties are filling our hotels with migrants while our homeless & veterans sleep in the streets, while students have to give up their accommodation for them, while our services heave with ppl from around the world they say we need, for jobs the ppl here should do, they are globalists, you're a fool to believe they care about us😆
The Victorians would be spinning. £100bn and 15 years for 180 miles of track. Is it made of gold?
Nope, there are no tracks yet. Not one.
Here is and interesting little fact for everyone! one of the main contractors of hs2 Balfour Beaty main shareholder is Manchester city council pension fund!
Well said 🎉
The whole of HS2 needs scrapping . £200 billion is criminal
The money has been funneled into offshore bank accounts because the Tories love generational wealth.
Yes I totally agree, but like funding Ukrainian nazis they will abuse the tax payers because it’s like a Ponzi scheme we’re back handers will be given out. The more money the more corruption.
@@DreamingIntoTheVoidexactly it’s a Ponzi scheme . Just like sending billions to a corrupt Ukrainian nazi state.
The Japanese built a bullet train network that spans their entire country for less.
@@DreamingIntoTheVoid regardless of who you want to blame the project will run to £200 billion which is a criminal amount of money to be spent on a railway project that will run for such a short distance in a relatively small country . Using the money to improve certain existing lines would be more sensible
I thought they scrapped this ages ago. They’ve already sank billions on this idea and they don’t want people from the north commuting to London and saving about 15k per year on rent. They probably never intended on completing this in the first place.
How long does it take to go 180 miles by train from London to Manchester ? it takes 1hour 45 mins to travel 65 miles from London to Portsmouth
He does not speak for the North nor the Northeast and Northwest regions it is his fantasy. Manchester.
This is not leveling up and does not help us in the Northeast/Northwest. Should never have started to build this thing. There were other studies carried out and looked at upgrading the Rail Lines electrifying the lines and dueling the roads to Scotland. If you asked people in different parts of the Northern regions and Northeastern and Northwestern regions, for their opinion you would find out what they think about HS2. After all, it is all the people's tax money.
The Tories and their donors wanted a way to steal a whole bunch of money. So that's what they did.
South London get the HS2?
North Manchester can't get the HS2 not good?
The further and longer we are from Londoniskan the better in my opinion !
@@Chris1553 London is capital city than North West Manchester
Nice little bit of racism there. Consider yourself reported.@@Chris1553
A zero rating should = closure.
If they had directed the HS2 line to Ukraine they'd have all the funding in an instant.
A wild Russian Troll appears
@@TheSedition666the Russian is right. There’s more focus on funding Ukraine than Infrastructure in this country.
@@Wonderkid44 The UK has committed £4.6 billion in military assistance to Ukraine so far total. £4.6 billion to cripple one of our biggest enemies for a generation. The UK spent 25.9 billion British pounds on Railways 22/23 for a service that is largely privately funded. Not only is your comment extremely short-sighted, it isn't even factually correct. Get back under your bridge Russki Troll.
UK TWO TIER SYSTEM , LONDON AND YOU WORKING CLASS
For decades Westminster has favoured London and the south east of England for investment to the detriment of Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the rest of England.
Thus this is great news!
It's true london gets everything and leaves nothing for the north
Huh? We got nothing but debt for a useless railway with no rails and no end in sight!
nobody in greater manchester WANTED A MAYOR so why can we vote to abolish the mayor nobody wants
It is actually baffling we are not "able" to have a railway connecting north to south 😂 what do we spend money on then? Had the money to pay for the Dartford crossing years ago...
I've caught the train from Cornwall to Scotland many times including stops through Birmingham and Manchester.
We do have a railway . Liverpool to London only takes 2 hrs 20 minutes .. great. This is a corrupt Ponzi scheme for corrupt friends just like funding billions to Ukrainian nazis, you couldn’t make it up.
There are multiple railways from north to south.
Embarrassing considering we are the ones who invented steam trains and railways... Isambard Kingdom Brunel managed it in the mid 1800's yet our government can't today
Caught north to south (and visa versa) loads of times.
Rather than spend this ridiculous amount of money on a link that will marginally improve travelling time to London (I can only imagine the ticket prices too!) this would have been better spent on improving local infrastructure surely?
With the space needed between trains to allow for faster and slower trains to be on the same lines, the capacity is greatly reduced. HS2 will free up that space by moving the express trains off the existing lines. This will allow for more frequent and more reliable local trains.
There is other work to be done, but HS2 is a part of the plan.
Taking fast trains off the old rail links allows more capacity for additional local trains. It is a major capacity increase across the North and Midlands even though it is marketed as High Speed because that is the sexier headline. Highly likely the Tories will announce new local connections and then just drop those as well. They constantly do it with Midlands rail where they have announced and then cancelled electrification of the line a good 4 times in the last decade. They are just going to use the saved money to give millionaires inheritance tax breaks.
London is also a really convenient place to get to from anywhere in the country, which makes it useful for all kinds of business needs. Now if Manchester and other Northern cities had that kind of connection then it could lead to a lot of growth.
On another note Europe has double decker trains on their lines for increased capacity why is it we can't have the same technology and use the investment to increase the height of bridges or tunnels to make it possible?
HS2 is not & never was about reducing journey times. The name was just a marketing mistake.
It was to relieve congestion on the already overcrowded existing lines.
This from the outset was a dead duck. New by the time even if part did get built would be outdated. It is all to say that national infrastructure projects are being done like the “smart motorways” that are now apparently considered more dangerous. All the while the rest is crumbling around us. Built more houses but not improved the sewage works or the system grid. In my opinion it is only going to get worse.
Whilst you're at it Andy..sort out piccadilly gardens Manchester.
Oh dear, mayor and his mates cant shave off 20 mins to London now. Hmm. Maybe they can work on the issues that affect normal people?
If we dont have the money we dont have it. Why is it the cost keeps going up and up, there comes a point, when you have to say No More.
The planning was wrong, and the costing was wrong, from the very start.
Improve the lines we have
You can straighten the road, improve the traffic lights, increase the speed limit, but there comes a point where you need to add an extra lane. There is nothing more that could realistically be done to improve the WCML to prepare it for future demand
It was only going to save 30 minutes anyway.....scrap it😊
It was never about journey times. It was about relieving congestion on one of the busiest long distance routes in Europe.
52 minutes from Manchester
This government is literally a disgrace, sunak should resign immediately. He can't run this country. If we had high speed line linking the nation with affordable prices it would reduce need for cars and create new investment.
Sunak needs to go. He's totally incompetent.
I hope I'm wrong but didn't Rishi recently go to India and promised them money for a railway line across their continent.
We already built that 150 years ago
vote REFORM ASAP
He's just a failed MP riding the gravy train
BOOOOO get Lost...We The People Demand You all step down...
What a whiny wimp. Sumak is RIGHT. The money should be spend on accommodation and allowance for the migrants entering the UK. That is priorities
Clown of the North,
I'm still voting Labour next time round because Starmer is going to TRIPLE weapons and aid to Ukraine. Because a good Russian is a liquidated Russian.
Clown? For wanting better for people of the country. You’re the clown mate
It should be scrapped…. Who is going to use it and how many a year…..on the other hand if it went ahead they will only strike all the time …. I can fly from Manchester to France or Spain do shopping and fly back faster and cheaper and get a takeaway once home and still have change in my pocket……. Trains take you were you don’t want to go 🚂🇪🇸🇫🇷🚂🍔
Stop it you joke
Hahaha 😂😂😂😂 government doing as they please as per usual, forget the working man.. civil action is needed a leaf out of the French’s way of handing things wouldn’t go a miss on the streets of Britain..
My father was born in BRITISH INDIA and served the navy!!! Probably belong here more then you
Would vote for Labour if he was leader
Funniest thing is he’s moaning, and his own boss won’t commit to keeping it either 😂.
Starmer is not the PM. He cannot commit to anything until Labour takes power in the next election.
Didn’t he say last week that he’s committed to the project but they need to understand the expected price tag?
Yes but like all tories they like to ignore the facts
Andy is only upset because he won’t be able to use it and claim travel expenses to travel to his London penthouse
His own boss is a milksop and a seat warmer for the Tories. I despise him.
"Its the muppet show "
The tories are only interested in dingy travel.
Andy Burnham talks like a trade union leader only he can’t use the strike weapon as a hammerhead to get what he wants.
towns outside manchester where forced to go under manchester with no vote communism at its worst
Government committing more money to wars rather than funding our own infrastructures and improving public services
I agree with the war comment. Funding Ukrainian nazis is pathetic, but we don’t need billions to save 20 minutes, that’s insane. Spend the money on housing schools education and health for British people .
Utter rubbish, total defence spending for ukraine is 4.6bn. Total spending on infrastructure is over 20bn, and total spending totals 1trillion. Theres enough money to do both but the tories want to win neoliberal votes. ONS
I don't want to fund wars with my taxes. End the war and spend money here. Thts a endless war in Ukraine, there would be no clear winners, just sufferings by people and more money in politicians pockets and arms industry
@@theironlemon_4156cite your source
A total waste of our monies. Thank hod, if true
Burnham’s a grifter. Never had a job.
Should have given the contracts to the Chinese or Japanese, it would be finished by now, on budget and more miles.
The Chinese and Japanese would have done just as bad. The red tape and inflated costs would affect anyone. In China they would have cheap labour and evict you if your house was on the route, that’s not how the UK works
@@mattgummerson8370 The UK has cheap labour, been bringing them in from Europe for years. The UK also can and does evict/ pay handsomely for ppl to move. The costs should be budgeted for the future, if a company can't, that's on them and their analysts and should be made to pay the difference. This is obviously a scam.
@@mattgummerson8370 Agreed about China, but Japan have been building similar lines since the 1960s.
@@jimmyyorkshire4495 the UK doesn’t have cheap labour, the construction sector has seen someone of the highest wage increases in Europe and because of Brexit we are running low on cheap labour. I don’t see many bricklayers coming from India and Hong Kong
@@mattgummerson8370 gotcha. " because of Brexit"
Who cares Andy time you got a proper job
The money saved can be put towards aid(military) for Ukraine
Mr Ivor Poncenby-Smythe.
The chipping Norton set,.Chipping norton
Andy for pm
Let all those who want it pay for it then !
Sexual predator, Mark "Thirsty" Thurston, jumped ship right before the announcement 😂
It was and always will be a stupidly expensive “red herring”….. It has only ever benefited those who earn money from its construction….the rest of us just pay for it…..it needs scrapping now !
@@piraterubberduck6056 We most certainly can’t ….The UK's public debt load has soared by more than 40% to almost £2.6 trillion ($3.3 trillion) since the pandemic struck, leaving the country owing more than its entire annual economic output for the first time since 1961…..
The Tories want to cancel it and are usually the ones making money for themselves and their friends from government projects. Which would mean that they are failing to make money off of this.
…. The Tory government wants to scrap the ludicrous HS2 because it is a complete waste of money and will only save minutes not hours on a journey between London and Manchester. This isn’t about Politics it’s about the economy and the fact that we can’t afford it….the people who will pay for this are you and me if you work…Labour is profligate in its economic policies and will only make things ten times worse…is that truly what you want ?…surely not….. read my previous reply about this Country’s indebtedness and you have all the facts…. A Labour Government will simply bankrupt this country and it will be you who will pay the price along with the rest of the working population….
Andy for prime minister ❤
Hopefully after starmer, man seems to have principles
Look at the good he's done
@elnino9772 WELL, it WAS the Tories, Boris Johnson as London Mayor in 2014 who 1st proposed the ULEZ scheme in its present form......IN spite of the Lies being told by Tories now about its origins....ANYTHING for another vote for them eh? Not that the truth ever need get in the way.
👏👏🤞
Take a fast train ride from a morally bankrupt city to a financially bankrupt city. Both caused by the Tories.
A con from people in power using a good idea as a front to give their mates money
Great leader
Surprise, surprise. "Dishy" Rishi shows us - yet again - that he's got no backbone worth mentioning. Sickening but hey, not a shock... 🙄
He’s such an attention seeker
Literally his job to represent his city
@@TheSedition666 Shame he wont meet with the workers caught up in the Manchester Bus Service franchising fiasco.
So, there it is, send Billions of Pounds more to the Ukrainian fraudster. Sell all your stuff, empty your wallets, we're going on a guilt trip. Think about the millions of starving Ukrainian children.
We can't afford it.
But we can afford to send billions in weapons and money to ukraine?
Yes we can afford it but we should be spending the money on other things.
Andy Burnham, on his £100k+ salary gives zero fucks about the working class
He doesn't decide the size of the pay packet. The government does.
He has been noticeable by his absence in the Manchester Bus Service franchising debacle !
You sound like the type that criticise union bosses for their salaries. They deserve every penny
I'd vote for him over Truss, Sunak, Boris etc
@@The_DrAstrovshould be about 25k max, no expenses, tax records publicly available.
Strange how like comedy, everything political is all about ………………… timing!
Hair lip .
Can you hear the insincerity in his voice? He doesn’t mean a bloody word. He knows it’s dead in the water.
The money that would have gone towards the HS2 Northern Leg we gave it away to Ukraine. CONSEQUENCES.
GLORY TO OUR BEAUTIFUL MANCHESTER ❤❤❤❤❤
im frm india and i visit manchester and u guys do not speek good English bcs bad accent pls learn how to talk english accent
In Labour run city's nothing ever changes, the poor stay poor because they are No! different to the conservatives, they only care about ppl coming here, but bless you, you believe these politicians care about you 😔
Amazing when you think that Britain constructed many rail networks throughout the world, and in the 60s, we could build 5 miles of motorway a week.. now we dont know what gender a toilet is.. 😢
Down south is the best. The end 😅😂
Soon to be underwater 🤣🤣, sorry no room here up north for you and yours.... bye bye
That's why the Northerners want to get to it
The north west alone has a £50 billion deficit which is about half of the whole UK's deficit - the north has been living massively beyond its means for decades but northern demands for ever more spending never stop. Burnham has been lavished with subsidies and central government grants for years. At this point the north needs to forced to only be allowed to spend the taxes it can raise from its own taxpayers. Want rail transport? Then pay for it yourself. You'll soon find out how much things really cost.
Hohoho...the north has been living beyond its means...hohohoho ...of course, the south is the hohohoho power house of the economy...hohohohahahahaha... quite clearly we have "specialist" here who knows the economic and social history of the uk. All those heavy industries in the south that created all the wealth during the 19th and 20th centuries, while the agricultural north just produced crap beer and cider. Thank goodness for the south. All those heavy weapons produced in Kent saved the uk during a decade of conflict!! Well done, the south....our heroes!
The problem goes back to thatcher. Now we don't get to run the trains but have to pay for all of them it feels like
We pay this government & they give it away in foreign aid, unofficial EU contributions to the French for the border & fund foreign wars, we should fix our own invasion at our own borders, but they punish self employed & small businesses, we are the workers of this country we earn the taxes this London establishment distribute around the world 😠
Very uneducated uninformed statement
Probably the most stupid comment ever
Who is the LGBT person next to him? Why is Manchester now so woke
Andy is only upset because he won’t be able to use it and claim travel expenses to travel to his London penthouse