Towed howi's aren't useless, they have a different job now. Area air denial and landmine blasting.❤😊 105mm AHEAD says everything flying over there now "isn't". 105mm baby bonus searches for landmines and pops 'em. Atleast in my brain meats.😂
Greetings from Hungary! A few 2S3s are in parks and in private collections in Hungary. The nearest one to me is about 4 kms away. The last time I visited that collection, after paying a little fee, the visitors can get inside the vehicles, including the 2S3. We were politely instructed NOT to start the engine :D
O.K., I am envious! We have a few tanks, aircraft, and field guns on display at war memorials, but none have been maintained since 1992 when the Civil Defense Corps was abolished, and none were accessible to any but the maintainers before that!
@@davidgoodnow269 The restrictions of the law are quite numerous about the military equipment in civilian hands in Hungary. It's fine, if you have only one or ten AFvs(incl. MBTs), but after a certain number, it's more than just an annual nuisance. The Pintér Művek Military Park in Kecel has a few tanks, including a T-72, fighter jets, utility helicopters, attack helicopters, towed artillery(ranging from light AT-guns to 152 mm howitzer-guns) self-propelled artillery, transport-erector launchers and even an ICBM and the list goes on. And most of the exhibits are in working order, or at least kept in a way that you can make them work within a day(in case of the jets, they will no longer work).No wonder they keep the gates closed for the winter, going through that much of inventory must be a nightmare.
Matt idc man I’ve been watching you since I was like 16, I always dig the videos, I really like the new overviews of Russian equipment, they have a lot of cool stuff. This is essentially my history channel
Dang matt, be careful you dont burn yourself out with this upload schedule! Researching these and creating a video cant be easy or quick and theres only so many things you can really make a good video on. Good stuff tho regardless, i always know that if i need my mil-tech fix youll be here 😎
Really enjoyed watching that video, I wasn't aware that the 2S3 had been modernised further than the "original" 2S3M standard so that's new to me. Great to see some internal footage of the various shell handling mechanisms and sights as well. One item of Soviet/Russian artillery which seems to be very neglected is probably the 2S5 152mm; from what I've been told its more of a specialist piece of equipment and considerably more rare than the 2S3. Not sure just how much footage is available of it in use but I would certainly welcome a video documentary on that. Keep up the great work, thank you.
Also China has made a similar Self propelled Howitzer called the PLZ Type-83 152mm Howitzer based on Type-89 Tank destroyer & PHZ-82 122mm MLRS Chassis . China also made a 130mm Version of PLZ-83 Howitzer for Export version & currently both 152mm & 130mm are in War thunder
Having been on the receiving end of a 4 or 5 of these 152mm rnds in an IED on the SE side of bahgdad, at a distance of roughly 65-70M. Back 2 days prior to Father's Day 2005. I can acct for the fact that they can be pretty nasty. I was denied by Army Drs, from a 3rd deployment due to this & also part due to this now a 100% Retired/Disabled Vet. I never had migraines, prior to this, now I can get horrible ones. With this being the first of 6 times I had an IED explode on my vehicle.
I actually love the light being shed on the equipment that is used in the russo ua war. Weve seen these old and new machines and pieces no for some time now. And despite all the politics, its awesome for me as a militaria and weapons enthusiast to have more intel on those in a videoformat
Party with arty! Saw one of these things at Ft Sill Oklahoma. Think it was from a former Warsaw Pact nation. Was there with a 2S1. Believe the 2S1 is still there as a static display at the museum on the post. Loved seeing the former Soviet vehicles that would come through.
1'st of all, quite good pronounciation. Almost hit that "ц" sound. 2'nd: (Cpt.Obivious requested this): Name "Акация" lies in long line of soviet equipment named by plants/flowers, and means an acacia (bush).
Thanks for another great video 😊 Working my way through a Matsimus marathon at the moment, watching through all older videos I have misses out on from the past. Keep them coming 😊
I remember seeing this in Ghost Recon 1 on the PS2 and not knowing what the heck it was. Wasn't quite the 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm and I knew that because the gun looked bigger and the turret didn't look the same either. 2S3 does have some modernization packages available for it BUT the D-22 short barrel (compared to the 2S19 Msta, 2S33 and 2S35) it does have a much shorter range than many competitors. They definitely could've upgraded the engine a lot earlier. Sadly? The 155mm option only increases the range to a maximum of 30km with the correct long range munitions.
Saw one of these I think or its bigger cousin the ( forgot the name but it’s a 203mm SPG.) in a museum in Poznan Poland. ( forgot the name, but it’s got a massive amount of Soviet ww2 and Cold War gear.) I recommend the museum for anyone interested in ww2 or Cold War armor. There’s nothing similar here in the USA. besides the fact that I don’t love the Russian or Soviet government/ army I have to say the Russians have made some incredibly badass.
Hi Matt what are your Opinion on Canadian army acquiring the French made GIAT LG-1 105mm Howitzers ? Are they better than the domestic made C3 105mm Howitzers ? Or are both on Equal footing ?
An excellent weapon in any case, the biggest problem in general are FPV drones, which have surprised the whole world and changed a lot in today's warfare, but if we go back 15 years, artillery is the queen of war and no one can match Russia. Of course, it is a great pity that Russia allowed Ukraine to separate at all, at least not in this way, Russia had to keep Ukraine at least as Belarus, which it did, but the pressure from the West was too great and Russia could not even imagine that it would
Because you _never_ keep anything except the ready rounds in proximity (blast radius) of the gun itself! Because the crews appear to be drilling the loading crews, specifically, the gun is being fed from a supply cache (magazine) that has that crew's allotment of training shells, in a protective range storage, rather than feeding the gun from on-board supplies. This is the kind of half-assed training typical of militaries; properly training for war would require a range configured for fire-and-move or fire-from-bunkered-position, so that people train as they fight; but compromises are always made in a training environment that cost lives in action.
It is a wonder that Canada has not bought about a thousand of these chassis, re-barrelled or re-gunned to 155mm, replaced whatever parts of the power train aren't up to snuff, and put them into service and storage! _Buy low, sell high,_ if Canada doesn't end up using them itself!
Canada has the M109 . Too bad the US has this bad habit of overcharging stuff way beyond than their worth for more profits . Henceforth even older M109G , M109A1 & M109A2 cost above 1.5 - 2 million USD
@patriotenfield3276 That's not much of a price premium to the original 1980's price quoted for the Soviet model. Lower wages there, buddy. But _since then?_ Canada has every industry needed to do a gun swap from the 152 to a 155, and probably add wet ammunition storage like the Challenger has for safety into the bargain! Use it, store it, Lend/Lease, sell them!
@@davidgoodnow269 I mean economically YEAH , 2S3 is more viable because per unit , they cost less than a Million USD & even so Deals can be bargained with Russia for 155mm for below a Million USD or Canada can do that itself as well
Brass casings remove quite a lot of heat from the breech end of the system so that you can sustain longer barrages before risking cook-offs, and make no mistake, the moskovites do use bagged increments, inside the brass casing. Drones and artillery spotting radars make that feature obsolete vs peer or superior tech adversaries as anyone trying to sustain barrages longer than 3-4 rounds per piece and then relocate is just begging for a buggering by counter battery fire or drones.
@@_Matsimus_2S1 гвоздика (Nelke), in which a school friend, as a driver, almost broke his nose. During a maneuver in the fall of 1986 or was it 1987, there was a huge puddle on the shooting range. For the 2S1, no problem, so with momentum, on and through. Unfortunately, there was a huge stone hidden under the waterline, which is what we hit. At this short, abrupt stop, he hit his vision slits.
@@_Matsimus_ I've just watched it - a great video, like everything you make. There is also a recent Serbian modernization of Gvozdika, with new fire control system, which enables it to open fire in just 20 seconds after assuming the firing position. I believe the old version needed around 20 minutes. Moreover, it has a MRSI capability, and new ammo with increased range - from 15,200 m to 22,000 m.
Why are such machines quite average in terms of parameters? Because a projectile flying at a medium distance is easier to make with a large filling of explosives and with a better scattering of fragments during an explosion. Vehicles with a longer burrel need to be made much heavier and longer in size. It is not advisable to make all self-propelled guns like the Panzer 2000. It will be more expensive, harder at mud and to tow, more difficult for logistics. Vehicles for maximum long-range firing are vehicles for counter-battery warfare and firing at long-range targets like Himars, a factory, a warehouse, a gawking commander far from the front, a ship. Since the tank platform is heavy and primarily needed by tanks, large trucks are often used. The whole point is that they do not use the best or the highest in terms of performance, but what is more convenient for every day and for most ground attacks.
you can look up direct fire training with the pzh2000 155mm using old MBTs as targets (it was designed with that capability for self defense) ... and no, the tank doesnt live after a direct artillery hit of such caliber
For every piece of self propelled western artillery, how many of these can be made? How difficult is it to train a crew for it vs western SPGs? Is it NBC capable?
Yes it is NBCR capable Don't think so it is easy to manufacture ( Because there are lot of Old 2S3 Soviet era stocks & few were made post 90s ) Easy compared to Western SPHs ( Unless we are talking about older versions of M109 like the M109G , M109A1 & M109A2 or some other 105mm Artilleries like M108 & FV433 Abbot ) Older version of M109 are easier to make ( Iran , Libya & Pakistan still operates & maintains them despite sanctions ) although cost of maintenance is more
Very interesting presentation. Here are some other Soviet / Russian systems that may also be of interest: Russian 2B9 Vasilek Cornflower Automatic 82 mm Mortar ua-cam.com/video/geGtS0157_0/v-deo.html DROK 82 mm self-propelled mortar ua-cam.com/video/QG-TSCzgeDk/v-deo.html Russian 2s43 malva 152mm self-propelled howitzer ua-cam.com/video/aq3iMNWJGHs/v-deo.html
What about the BMP refit during Afghanistan that replaced the 76mm low-pressure smoothbore gun with a breech-loading mortar? I remember it being 122mm, but it might have been an 82mm. That was a crucially valuable piece of support that is widely overlooked!
@@davidgoodnow269 The Vasilek mortar with its 200+ RPM was adapted to armor vehicles and trucks to make it an SP system. ua-cam.com/video/mrZzzNoUGxU/v-deo.html Maybe you are referring to this: ua-cam.com/video/AY4r3xGgXX8/v-deo.html but it is an MTLB chassis not a BMP-1. Greece received a number of BMP-1 vehicles from East German equipment along with a large number of ZsU-23-2 and some of them were converted in Greece to SP A/A guns that, I think, are still in use. ua-cam.com/video/7B9WTLb_1Sc/v-deo.html Many of the BMP-1s have been transferred to other countries including Ukraine as they were replaced by M-1117s in the Greek Army..
@FLORATOSOTHON Nope, though thanks for the links, nice systems! No, the refit was indeed of the tracked BMP-1, a vital companion to the refitting of the BTR replacing the 14.5mm HMG with the AGS-17 30mm automatic grenade launcher. The ability to deliver indirect fires on to the lip of canyons and the reverse of the military crest of hills and foothills, and into villages, from a variety of distances was extremely important!
May I recommend the 2S25 it’s essentially if you made a T-72 an amphibious light tank don’t remember if it is in full service or not but hey figured I may suggest it
Can you do a video on the difference between SPGs that have a turret like this one, as opposed to ones that just have the exposed gun strapped on top? Like with the M107 and 2S5
Hey Matt, great video. I think the 2S3 is a pretty good vehicle as designed, but my big take away is that those Russian crews don't seem to take PM as an important part of operating the vehicle.The M-109's are similar in original age being upgraded over the years but I defy someone to find an M-109 in U.S. service with an interior with an interior that looks that thoroughly unmaintained. That breach block has U.S.. and Canadian battery 1st Sgs veins in their temples throbbing. Hatches are just bouncing around when the gun fires. The vehicle at 13:18 is the only exception and that appears to be one fresh out of depot. Also the guns crews for the most part seem to be very lackadaisical with their gun drill with the exception of the crew at 12:10 who seem to be moving with a purpose. You can sure tell the Russians still do not have much of a professional N.C.O. corps.
Fair enough to present this gun as a baseline - together with the M109. So what is wrong with it? 1) The precision. You quote that even with a laser guided shell the range is 20 km - not to mention the poor sod keeping a laser on the target (not an occupation conductive to reach normal retirement age), Modern artillery systems has a range of 30 km for comparative accuracy. Meaning there is a whole lot more opportunities to miss. Especially if the opposition gets annoyed and want to take you out with their 50% better range. 2) The quality of the ammunition. Artillery shells are not like vintage port, that improves with age. Explosives tend to become unstable with age - especially when stowed under suboptimal conditions. And people responsible for ammo depot tend to be people NOT up for promotion. One problem is an increased dud rate - which means that you have to push still more shells through the barrel if you intend to hit a barn door, and not just anywhere on the estate. Worse is if the intensive firering wears out the barrel to the extend that the grenade explodes IN the barrel - again causing a health problem for the crew. 3) It is snubnosed compared to a full length barrel of 52 calibers. Meaning that the propellant charge does not have time to complete burning before the shell leaves on its journey. It does not help the recoil, though there are hydrolic dampers. If You have fired old full length rifles and the short barreled carabine version - you will have felt it does not help the recoil. 4) These factors mean you are a pain in the posterior to keep supplied and a 152 mm shell is not fluffy winter coast or breakfast cereals - meaning you will have to have ammo dumps closer to the front and nearer to the railway - having to forward supply dumps in a two level storage system. We see the result in Ukraine today, where whenever modern selfpropelled western guns are in use the russian losses of pieces is astonishing - not to mention the ammunition dumps. Now I am not knocking howitsers like the M777, though I would like to see them on vehicles. Because in the towed version they can be placed by helicopters. Probably the main justification for the beast of a helicopter like the CH-53K (hugely expensive), but then the USMarines have special requirements - I mean a towed howitzer landed from rubber dingies require some serious paddling - especially it it get a bit windy - and not mentioning the reloading ammunition. The USMarines are outfits that are squarely in the "special needs" category. Danes have a policy of being invited to land in comfortable ports ahead of the enemy.
1. Range is not affected by precision. Effective range, yes.Also, you are comparing the base model with the old gun vs a modern m109, that had even a shorter range. Current unassisted rounds from 2s3 have a range of 23km vs the 109A6 24km, both unassisted. A bit less range, a bit less accuracy, way less electronics. The 30Km+ range in both systems comes from extended range ammo. I am a bit suspicious about the real range of these systems, because we are comparing 52Lvs39L Currently the poor sod with the designator is a drone. While the laser cannot effectively be jammed, the designator drone can be detected and shotdown, with some difficulty. 2. Old ammo has been expended. 3. Current 2s3 have longer barrels, but not 52 calibers, just 39. This is probably the main reason they have a shorter range. But the range difference should be greater IMHO. Might be that the range os the 2s3 is shorter than the public one, or the one in the 109A6 is longer.. or both. You are wrong about the recoil, the issue you had with the carabine is that even a smoller recoil on a much lighter gun can accelarete the gun much more. As the gun has a doouble brake, this should be less of an issue, and the pressure put on the vehicle with lighter loads would be less severe. Not an advantage, they have less range, but also less maintenance. 4.The Russian losses I would attribute to better reconoissance, tactics and advanced ammunition like excalibur, and guided missiles. Today GPS is mostly jammed and these systems are way less effective vs artillery, and the more primitive krasnopol is being quite effective. If I had to choose, I would take the paladin any day, but these modernised soviet era systems are quite effective even today. The russians less obsolete SPGs, like the 2s19, 2s35 and 2s43. While it sounds good to have so many models to choose from, this must be a logistical nightmare when you also count the towed guns...
@@aitorbleda8267well, 2S3 excells in one thing - barrel longevity. It have smaller gas pressure. About range - even SPH's usually take positions not far from frontline. Obvious reasons for this: 1) you have some spare range, if some high value targets will be spotted far away from the front. 2) you can use half-charges, or 3/4 (depends on artillery system) to spare barrel resuorce for longer time. 3) fire became quicker, because it is easier to maintain direct radio link to unit, that need support. Also, shells just come to place faster, enemy have more problems with maneouvre. Some other benefits too, but those is most important.
I knew a lot (most/all) Russian artillery is named after flowers and I always found that interesting and (morbidly) funny but I only now realize why this may be the case. Does anyone know if it's because of the muzzle flash looking like a flower?
@@patriotenfield3276 everyone had a sp105 in WW2 by the end of the Korean war they were all gone i'd like to know why they got rid of them and kept the 155's!!
Not it is not . They are very different . The 2S1 Chassis is based on MT-LB chassis while the 2S3 ( alongside 2S4 & 2S5 ) is based on GM 123 Tracked chassis ( the same one used as base for 2K11 Krug Transporter & GMZ-3 Mine-layer )
I don’t understand why all the bloggers always say that something was created in Russia as a response to what appeared in the USA? In fact, Russian large-caliber self-propelled artillery existed during the Second World War. Maybe something has been improved in the form of new technology, but it certainly wasn’t something new, a response to something American. If you delve into history, the United States itself created a lot of military equipment by studying something produced by Russian engineers.
In addition, American field guns were copied precisely from Soviet designs with minor modifications. even the Germans during the Second World War copied Soviet guns only by adding a diffuser on the barrel.
I think it’s because the Soviets and the West played a different game in terms of weapons and technology, it was push vs pull. The West would constantly work at pushing its technical superiority forward to create weapons that would hopefully overcome Soviet numerical superiority. The Soviets would then be forced (pulled) into catching up with their technology to create weapons that were at least good enough to offset the new threat, and hopefully somewhat better. That’s what I read decades ago, anyway.
Fun fact Ukraine has just as much if not more of these artillery pieces,hopefully not for long theee things are dog shit when it comes artillery in todays battle feild
Nah, wood is still a useful material, it absorbs impacts better than polymers and has a gradual failure mode unlike plastic, which usually fails catastrophically right away. Also doesn't produce sharp edges like broken plastics. Plus you can easily modify wooden containers in the field without needing entire new mould sets. There are good reasons to use wood even today, I say that as a 3D printing enthusiast.
@@baraka629 not when it comes to single use ammo packaging... It weighs too much, it's too spacious and it's harder to strap down on a pallet... but then again, the moskovites don't use cargo pallets for military logistics...🤣
10:40 This thing is not supposed to do counter-artillery fire. It support troops while longer barreled 2s35 fight crabs and other western arty. For shorter range however it gains huge barrel lifetime.
After all this, The Russian military still isn't palatized. WTF? The Russians over the last 20 years needed 3 things to make their military good, or at least not s.ck so badly anymore: 1. Logistics (pallets) 2. Army lifers as NCO's. 3. Military recapitalization. They failed in all 3. 1. They still load boxes by hand, 1 by 1 out of the backs of trucks. 2. Instead of the money going to upgrade equipment ahead of the Uke war, they stole the money. 3. Because they're so corrupt and commissions are bought and sold, they never developed seasoned NCO's. These could have been pulled from their private militaries and those with sifficient combat experience could have been given decent, life long jobs. Honestly, a corp group of 20k NCO lifers would have saved thousands of lives, won battles and saved billions in equipment. But no, corrupt lieutenant equivalentscand conscripts make up the army.
"Lugging around towed howitzers was not cutting it any more " says man who lugs around a towed howitzer
Don’t have much of a choice bro 😂
Spoken from experience and envy
Towed howi's aren't useless, they have a different job now. Area air denial and landmine blasting.❤😊 105mm AHEAD says everything flying over there now "isn't". 105mm baby bonus searches for landmines and pops 'em. Atleast in my brain meats.😂
I've heard Canada has been really stingy with their armed forces over the last few years I hope things improve@@_Matsimus_
@@_Matsimus_ Ouch, that hurts. 😅
You’ve really been on a roll, Matt. Have watched all your drops. Really well done.
Greetings from Hungary!
A few 2S3s are in parks and in private collections in Hungary. The nearest one to me is about 4 kms away. The last time I visited that collection, after paying a little fee, the visitors can get inside the vehicles, including the 2S3. We were politely instructed NOT to start the engine :D
O.K., I am envious! We have a few tanks, aircraft, and field guns on display at war memorials, but none have been maintained since 1992 when the Civil Defense Corps was abolished, and none were accessible to any but the maintainers before that!
@@davidgoodnow269 The restrictions of the law are quite numerous about the military equipment in civilian hands in Hungary. It's fine, if you have only one or ten AFvs(incl. MBTs), but after a certain number, it's more than just an annual nuisance. The Pintér Művek Military Park in Kecel has a few tanks, including a T-72, fighter jets, utility helicopters, attack helicopters, towed artillery(ranging from light AT-guns to 152 mm howitzer-guns) self-propelled artillery, transport-erector launchers and even an ICBM and the list goes on. And most of the exhibits are in working order, or at least kept in a way that you can make them work within a day(in case of the jets, they will no longer work).No wonder they keep the gates closed for the winter, going through that much of inventory must be a nightmare.
Matt idc man I’ve been watching you since I was like 16, I always dig the videos, I really like the new overviews of Russian equipment, they have a lot of cool stuff. This is essentially my history channel
@@tacomas9602 thanks so much!!
Great upload Mats, I love that the barrel is so short.
Dang matt, be careful you dont burn yourself out with this upload schedule! Researching these and creating a video cant be easy or quick and theres only so many things you can really make a good video on. Good stuff tho regardless, i always know that if i need my mil-tech fix youll be here 😎
Really enjoyed watching that video, I wasn't aware that the 2S3 had been modernised further than the "original" 2S3M standard so that's new to me. Great to see some internal footage of the various shell handling mechanisms and sights as well. One item of Soviet/Russian artillery which seems to be very neglected is probably the 2S5 152mm; from what I've been told its more of a specialist piece of equipment and considerably more rare than the 2S3. Not sure just how much footage is available of it in use but I would certainly welcome a video documentary on that. Keep up the great work, thank you.
What a beast. Simple and effective
Good morning. Good stuff.
Seen this vehicle around but never knew much about it. Thanks
Thank You so Much Matsimus . Mucho Gracias mi Hermano
The new intro beats are vibey🌊
You are on a roll Matt! Well done!
Thanks!
Also China has made a similar Self propelled Howitzer called the PLZ Type-83 152mm Howitzer based on Type-89 Tank destroyer & PHZ-82 122mm MLRS Chassis . China also made a 130mm Version of PLZ-83 Howitzer for Export version & currently both 152mm & 130mm are in War thunder
Having been on the receiving end of a 4 or 5 of these 152mm rnds in an IED on the SE side of bahgdad, at a distance of roughly 65-70M. Back 2 days prior to Father's Day 2005. I can acct for the fact that they can be pretty nasty. I was denied by Army Drs, from a 3rd deployment due to this & also part due to this now a 100% Retired/Disabled Vet. I never had migraines, prior to this, now I can get horrible ones. With this being the first of 6 times I had an IED explode on my vehicle.
I actually love the light being shed on the equipment that is used in the russo ua war.
Weve seen these old and new machines and pieces no for some time now. And despite all the politics, its awesome for me as a militaria and weapons enthusiast to have more intel on those in a videoformat
Thanks!
@@dbell1016 thank you!!
Another awesome video. Thanks, Matt!
Loved the video! Have you made/ would you make a video on the G6 or the new G7 self propelled gun?
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just kidding, stay awesome, Mats.
The standard was 3x18 units in every motor rifle division and 2x18 in every tank division.
Party with arty! Saw one of these things at Ft Sill Oklahoma. Think it was from a former Warsaw Pact nation. Was there with a 2S1. Believe the 2S1 is still there as a static display at the museum on the post. Loved seeing the former Soviet vehicles that would come through.
1'st of all, quite good pronounciation. Almost hit that "ц" sound.
2'nd: (Cpt.Obivious requested this): Name "Акация" lies in long line of soviet equipment named by plants/flowers, and means an acacia (bush).
I would love to see Matsimus do a video about the Soviet ZIS-2 antitank gun.
One of my fav tanks in WT
I hate arty in WT, it can't feasibly be used in it's intended indirect fire mode.
Attack the D Point
@@patriotenfield3276 Gramercy!
@baraka629 I've seen people use drones to target spot and use bmp 3 as indirect fire
Great video!!!!!
Thanks for another great video 😊 Working my way through a Matsimus marathon at the moment, watching through all older videos I have misses out on from the past. Keep them coming 😊
Very nice
I remember seeing this in Ghost Recon 1 on the PS2 and not knowing what the heck it was. Wasn't quite the 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm and I knew that because the gun looked bigger and the turret didn't look the same either.
2S3 does have some modernization packages available for it BUT the D-22 short barrel (compared to the 2S19 Msta, 2S33 and 2S35) it does have a much shorter range than many competitors. They definitely could've upgraded the engine a lot earlier.
Sadly? The 155mm option only increases the range to a maximum of 30km with the correct long range munitions.
I used it in War Thunder it's pretty good when the enemy is looking the other direction😅
great job
i got to recover and drive a few of these after the first gulf war, loads of power and much better mobility in the sand than the M109.
Saw one of these I think or its bigger cousin the ( forgot the name but it’s a 203mm SPG.) in a museum in Poznan Poland. ( forgot the name, but it’s got a massive amount of Soviet ww2 and Cold War gear.) I recommend the museum for anyone interested in ww2 or Cold War armor. There’s nothing similar here in the USA. besides the fact that I don’t love the Russian or Soviet government/ army I have to say the Russians have made some incredibly badass.
Peon 2S7
Awesome
make a video about anti artilery radar , i saw a video of saab selling some to germany
well done
Hi Matt what are your Opinion on Canadian army acquiring the French made GIAT LG-1 105mm Howitzers ? Are they better than the domestic made C3 105mm Howitzers ? Or are both on Equal footing ?
I just did a video on it lately! Go check it out
An excellent weapon in any case, the biggest problem in general are FPV drones, which have surprised the whole world and changed a lot in today's warfare, but if we go back 15 years, artillery is the queen of war and no one can match Russia. Of course, it is a great pity that Russia allowed Ukraine to separate at all, at least not in this way, Russia had to keep Ukraine at least as Belarus, which it did, but the pressure from the West was too great and Russia could not even imagine that it would
Have you reviewed the Tornado IDS?
Just a question why in the beginning of the video is there ammunition so far from the vehicles?
Because you _never_ keep anything except the ready rounds in proximity (blast radius) of the gun itself!
Because the crews appear to be drilling the loading crews, specifically, the gun is being fed from a supply cache (magazine) that has that crew's allotment of training shells, in a protective range storage, rather than feeding the gun from on-board supplies.
This is the kind of half-assed training typical of militaries; properly training for war would require a range configured for fire-and-move or fire-from-bunkered-position, so that people train as they fight; but compromises are always made in a training environment that cost lives in action.
It is a wonder that Canada has not bought about a thousand of these chassis, re-barrelled or re-gunned to 155mm, replaced whatever parts of the power train aren't up to snuff, and put them into service and storage! _Buy low, sell high,_ if Canada doesn't end up using them itself!
Canada has the M109 . Too bad the US has this bad habit of overcharging stuff way beyond than their worth for more profits . Henceforth even older M109G , M109A1 & M109A2 cost above 1.5 - 2 million USD
@patriotenfield3276 That's not much of a price premium to the original 1980's price quoted for the Soviet model. Lower wages there, buddy.
But _since then?_ Canada has every industry needed to do a gun swap from the 152 to a 155, and probably add wet ammunition storage like the Challenger has for safety into the bargain! Use it, store it, Lend/Lease, sell them!
@@davidgoodnow269 I mean economically YEAH , 2S3 is more viable because per unit , they cost less than a Million USD & even so Deals can be bargained with Russia for 155mm for below a Million USD or Canada can do that itself as well
Why brass casings though? Pretty sure bagged charges are cheaper and far more versatile.
Brass casings remove quite a lot of heat from the breech end of the system so that you can sustain longer barrages before risking cook-offs, and make no mistake, the moskovites do use bagged increments, inside the brass casing.
Drones and artillery spotting radars make that feature obsolete vs peer or superior tech adversaries as anyone trying to sustain barrages longer than 3-4 rounds per piece and then relocate is just begging for a buggering by counter battery fire or drones.
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Well done. How about a video on 2S1 Gvozdika?
Done already 😊
@@_Matsimus_2S1 гвоздика (Nelke), in which a school friend, as a driver, almost broke his nose. During a maneuver in the fall of 1986 or was it 1987, there was a huge puddle on the shooting range. For the 2S1, no problem, so with momentum, on and through. Unfortunately, there was a huge stone hidden under the waterline, which is what we hit. At this short, abrupt stop, he hit his vision slits.
@ Great, I look forward to watching it 🙂
@@tosamja4828 He has already done that video early
@@_Matsimus_ I've just watched it - a great video, like everything you make. There is also a recent Serbian modernization of Gvozdika, with new fire control system, which enables it to open fire in just 20 seconds after assuming the firing position. I believe the old version needed around 20 minutes. Moreover, it has a MRSI capability, and new ammo with increased range - from 15,200 m to 22,000 m.
Given the threat of drones and counter battery fire,, will towed artillery at some point be relegated to training on the gun system only?
wish this, and many like it in War Thunder were as good as the video coverage is.
What do you mean, this is a good tank in WT.
Defenition of old reliable
Hey Mat!! Can yiu talk about the Msta and Koalitsiya too??
He already made a Video on 2S19 Msta . However there are few videos of Koalitsiya Out there
Why are such machines quite average in terms of parameters? Because a projectile flying at a medium distance is easier to make with a large filling of explosives and with a better scattering of fragments during an explosion. Vehicles with a longer burrel need to be made much heavier and longer in size. It is not advisable to make all self-propelled guns like the Panzer 2000. It will be more expensive, harder at mud and to tow, more difficult for logistics. Vehicles for maximum long-range firing are vehicles for counter-battery warfare and firing at long-range targets like Himars, a factory, a warehouse, a gawking commander far from the front, a ship. Since the tank platform is heavy and primarily needed by tanks, large trucks are often used. The whole point is that they do not use the best or the highest in terms of performance, but what is more convenient for every day and for most ground attacks.
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problem with these vehicles when marrated is that i can't truly grasp the fire control
i don't even want to think of what a 152mm would do at point blank fire, a tank might live but you be paste inside it
you can look up direct fire training with the pzh2000 155mm using old MBTs as targets (it was designed with that capability for self defense) ... and no, the tank doesnt live after a direct artillery hit of such caliber
For every piece of self propelled western artillery, how many of these can be made? How difficult is it to train a crew for it vs western SPGs? Is it NBC capable?
Yes it is NBCR capable
Don't think so it is easy to manufacture ( Because there are lot of Old 2S3 Soviet era stocks & few were made post 90s )
Easy compared to Western SPHs ( Unless we are talking about older versions of M109 like the M109G , M109A1 & M109A2 or some other 105mm Artilleries like M108 & FV433 Abbot )
Older version of M109 are easier to make ( Iran , Libya & Pakistan still operates & maintains them despite sanctions ) although cost of maintenance is more
Very interesting presentation.
Here are some other Soviet / Russian systems that may also be of interest:
Russian 2B9 Vasilek Cornflower Automatic 82 mm Mortar
ua-cam.com/video/geGtS0157_0/v-deo.html
DROK 82 mm self-propelled mortar
ua-cam.com/video/QG-TSCzgeDk/v-deo.html
Russian 2s43 malva 152mm self-propelled howitzer
ua-cam.com/video/aq3iMNWJGHs/v-deo.html
What about the BMP refit during Afghanistan that replaced the 76mm low-pressure smoothbore gun with a breech-loading mortar? I remember it being 122mm, but it might have been an 82mm. That was a crucially valuable piece of support that is widely overlooked!
@@davidgoodnow269 The Vasilek mortar with its 200+ RPM was adapted to armor vehicles and trucks to make it an SP system.
ua-cam.com/video/mrZzzNoUGxU/v-deo.html
Maybe you are referring to this:
ua-cam.com/video/AY4r3xGgXX8/v-deo.html
but it is an MTLB chassis not a BMP-1.
Greece received a number of BMP-1 vehicles from East German equipment along with a large number of ZsU-23-2 and some of them were converted in Greece to SP A/A guns that, I think, are still in use.
ua-cam.com/video/7B9WTLb_1Sc/v-deo.html
Many of the BMP-1s have been transferred to other countries including Ukraine as they were replaced by M-1117s in the Greek Army..
@FLORATOSOTHON Nope, though thanks for the links, nice systems! No, the refit was indeed of the tracked BMP-1, a vital companion to the refitting of the BTR replacing the 14.5mm HMG with the AGS-17 30mm automatic grenade launcher. The ability to deliver indirect fires on to the lip of canyons and the reverse of the military crest of hills and foothills, and into villages, from a variety of distances was extremely important!
1:22 Its a boy!
May I recommend the 2S25 it’s essentially if you made a T-72 an amphibious light tank don’t remember if it is in full service or not but hey figured I may suggest it
Can you do a video on the difference between SPGs that have a turret like this one, as opposed to ones that just have the exposed gun strapped on top? Like with the M107 and 2S5
Hey Matt, great video. I think the 2S3 is a pretty good vehicle as designed, but my big take away is that those Russian crews don't seem to take PM as an important part of operating the vehicle.The M-109's are similar in original age being upgraded over the years but I defy someone to find an M-109 in U.S. service with an interior with an interior that looks that thoroughly unmaintained. That breach block has U.S.. and Canadian battery 1st Sgs veins in their temples throbbing. Hatches are just bouncing around when the gun fires. The vehicle at 13:18 is the only exception and that appears to be one fresh out of depot. Also the guns crews for the most part seem to be very lackadaisical with their gun drill with the exception of the crew at 12:10 who seem to be moving with a purpose. You can sure tell the Russians still do not have much of a professional N.C.O. corps.
How accurate are these modern tanks using standard ammo for first time hits at, say, 6000m at a shed, for example?
Please.
That good old fashioned analog artillery calculating is gonna come in handy soon whem shit really hits the fan.
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Fair enough to present this gun as a baseline - together with the M109. So what is wrong with it?
1) The precision. You quote that even with a laser guided shell the range is 20 km - not to mention the poor sod keeping a laser on the target (not an occupation conductive to reach normal retirement age), Modern artillery systems has a range of 30 km for comparative accuracy. Meaning there is a whole lot more opportunities to miss. Especially if the opposition gets annoyed and want to take you out with their 50% better range.
2) The quality of the ammunition. Artillery shells are not like vintage port, that improves with age. Explosives tend to become unstable with age - especially when stowed under suboptimal conditions. And people responsible for ammo depot tend to be people NOT up for promotion.
One problem is an increased dud rate - which means that you have to push still more shells through the barrel if you intend to hit a barn door, and not just anywhere on the estate. Worse is if the intensive firering wears out the barrel to the extend that the grenade explodes IN the barrel - again causing a health problem for the crew.
3) It is snubnosed compared to a full length barrel of 52 calibers. Meaning that the propellant charge does not have time to complete burning before the shell leaves on its journey. It does not help the recoil, though there are hydrolic dampers. If You have fired old full length rifles and the short barreled carabine version - you will have felt it does not help the recoil.
4) These factors mean you are a pain in the posterior to keep supplied and a 152 mm shell is not fluffy winter coast or breakfast cereals - meaning you will have to have ammo dumps closer to the front and nearer to the railway - having to forward supply dumps in a two level storage system.
We see the result in Ukraine today, where whenever modern selfpropelled western guns are in use the russian losses of pieces is astonishing - not to mention the ammunition dumps.
Now I am not knocking howitsers like the M777, though I would like to see them on vehicles. Because in the towed version they can be placed by helicopters. Probably the main justification for the beast of a helicopter like the CH-53K (hugely expensive), but then the USMarines have special requirements - I mean a towed howitzer landed from rubber dingies require some serious paddling - especially it it get a bit windy - and not mentioning the reloading ammunition.
The USMarines are outfits that are squarely in the "special needs" category. Danes have a policy of being invited to land in comfortable ports ahead of the enemy.
1. Range is not affected by precision. Effective range, yes.Also, you are comparing the base model with the old gun vs a modern m109, that had even a shorter range. Current unassisted rounds from 2s3 have a range of 23km vs the 109A6 24km, both unassisted. A bit less range, a bit less accuracy, way less electronics.
The 30Km+ range in both systems comes from extended range ammo. I am a bit suspicious about the real range of these systems, because we are comparing 52Lvs39L
Currently the poor sod with the designator is a drone. While the laser cannot effectively be jammed, the designator drone can be detected and shotdown, with some difficulty.
2. Old ammo has been expended.
3. Current 2s3 have longer barrels, but not 52 calibers, just 39. This is probably the main reason they have a shorter range. But the range difference should be greater IMHO. Might be that the range os the 2s3 is shorter than the public one, or the one in the 109A6 is longer.. or both.
You are wrong about the recoil, the issue you had with the carabine is that even a smoller recoil on a much lighter gun can accelarete the gun much more. As the gun has a doouble brake, this should be less of an issue, and the pressure put on the vehicle with lighter loads would be less severe. Not an advantage, they have less range, but also less maintenance.
4.The Russian losses I would attribute to better reconoissance, tactics and advanced ammunition like excalibur, and guided missiles. Today GPS is mostly jammed and these systems are way less effective vs artillery, and the more primitive krasnopol is being quite effective.
If I had to choose, I would take the paladin any day, but these modernised soviet era systems are quite effective even today.
The russians less obsolete SPGs, like the 2s19, 2s35 and 2s43. While it sounds good to have so many models to choose from, this must be a logistical nightmare when you also count the towed guns...
@@aitorbleda8267well, 2S3 excells in one thing - barrel longevity. It have smaller gas pressure. About range - even SPH's usually take positions not far from frontline.
Obvious reasons for this:
1) you have some spare range, if some high value targets will be spotted far away from the front.
2) you can use half-charges, or 3/4 (depends on artillery system) to spare barrel resuorce for longer time.
3) fire became quicker, because it is easier to maintain direct radio link to unit, that need support. Also, shells just come to place faster, enemy have more problems with maneouvre.
Some other benefits too, but those is most important.
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*while playing with them on Sea Power*
Good one 😂
Mats subliminal reason for all the Russian gear...... Know who you may be up against in the near future
I knew a lot (most/all) Russian artillery is named after flowers and I always found that interesting and (morbidly) funny but I only now realize why this may be the case. Does anyone know if it's because of the muzzle flash looking like a flower?
At 11:24 you can see one of them north koreans fighting in Kursk today
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Like the Gvozdika better.
i'd like to know where and why self propelled 105mm's have gone!! they seem to have vaporized after Korea!!!
why 105 when you can strap a Naval caliber & call it a day ?
@@patriotenfield3276 everyone had a sp105 in WW2 by the end of the Korean war they were all gone i'd like to know why they got rid of them and kept the 155's!!
I love this system but I hate how similar it is to the 2S1 Gvozdika so I keep mixing the two up
Not it is not . They are very different . The 2S1 Chassis is based on MT-LB chassis while the 2S3 ( alongside 2S4 & 2S5 ) is based on GM 123 Tracked chassis ( the same one used as base for 2K11 Krug Transporter & GMZ-3 Mine-layer )
I don’t understand why all the bloggers always say that something was created in Russia as a response to what appeared in the USA? In fact, Russian large-caliber self-propelled artillery existed during the Second World War. Maybe something has been improved in the form of new technology, but it certainly wasn’t something new, a response to something American. If you delve into history, the United States itself created a lot of military equipment by studying something produced by Russian engineers.
In addition, American field guns were copied precisely from Soviet designs with minor modifications. even the Germans during the Second World War copied Soviet guns only by adding a diffuser on the barrel.
Because in this case , somehow Soviet observers were closely taking notes on the M109 during the Vietnam war & were impressed by it actually
I think it’s because the Soviets and the West played a different game in terms of weapons and technology, it was push vs pull. The West would constantly work at pushing its technical superiority forward to create weapons that would hopefully overcome Soviet numerical superiority. The Soviets would then be forced (pulled) into catching up with their technology to create weapons that were at least good enough to offset the new threat, and hopefully somewhat better. That’s what I read decades ago, anyway.
Only a idiot would disrespect this thing.
even worse , a zealot would
Russia using 2S3 :- Soviet rusting Junk
Ukraine using 2S3 :- Old but Gold & Game changer
Yeah, those people are brainrot morons with no thought or self-awareness. Yet somehow they call other people bots or shills.
Ok apparently you like to be called "Russian fan Boy", sure you already heard worse 🤣🤣🤣, nice presentation like always.....fan Boy🤣🤣🤣
Please make a video on India's ATAGS .
no more foreign wars here from the usa
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Being in weatern Cda it's easier to learn Ukrainian
Fun fact Ukraine has just as much if not more of these artillery pieces,hopefully not for long theee things are dog shit when it comes artillery in todays battle feild
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Jesus wooden crates, what year is it, 1944?
Nah, wood is still a useful material, it absorbs impacts better than polymers and has a gradual failure mode unlike plastic, which usually fails catastrophically right away. Also doesn't produce sharp edges like broken plastics. Plus you can easily modify wooden containers in the field without needing entire new mould sets.
There are good reasons to use wood even today, I say that as a 3D printing enthusiast.
@@baraka629 not when it comes to single use ammo packaging...
It weighs too much, it's too spacious and it's harder to strap down on a pallet... but then again, the moskovites don't use cargo pallets for military logistics...🤣
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10:40 This thing is not supposed to do counter-artillery fire. It support troops while longer barreled 2s35 fight crabs and other western arty. For shorter range however it gains huge barrel lifetime.
After all this, The Russian military still isn't palatized. WTF?
The Russians over the last 20 years needed 3 things to make their military good, or at least not s.ck so badly anymore:
1. Logistics (pallets)
2. Army lifers as NCO's.
3. Military recapitalization.
They failed in all 3.
1. They still load boxes by hand, 1 by 1 out of the backs of trucks.
2. Instead of the money going to upgrade equipment ahead of the Uke war, they stole the money.
3. Because they're so corrupt and commissions are bought and sold, they never developed seasoned NCO's. These could have been pulled from their private militaries and those with sifficient combat experience could have been given decent, life long jobs. Honestly, a corp group of 20k NCO lifers would have saved thousands of lives, won battles and saved billions in equipment. But no, corrupt lieutenant equivalentscand conscripts make up the army.
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