STUPID FOREIGNER (me) VOTES CHEGA: The reasons why
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- In this video, I examine the political platform of the Chega party and the aspects that i agree and disagree with. I vote for Chega simply because they are the only political force in Portugal that even comes remotely close to representing some of my ideas - not all though. This video is very much about my personal opinions and if anyone feel differently, that is totally fine. Democracy is about respecting views counter to our own after all.
I wish the portuguese had the same notion, how can we be so blind...
In my experience of living in Portugal, I have found the country to be very left wing and people do not seem to understand the harm that socialism has done
@@thecryptostrategist2433 As a portuguese what you say is 100% true. Portuguese people are very unaware of the countries' politics and lack critical thinking. Most people just blurt out opinions of people they hear on television and never bother to fact-check. Only problem is most of the political analysts, politicians, and every other comentator on portuguese television are part of the political establishment. Not to mention the fact that some television channels were subsidised by the previous left-wing governments, which makes you question their supposed lack of bias. Also the new governing party supposedly is "right-wing" but is actually a far cry from right-wing politics, and every other true right-wing party gets immediately stamped with the "far-right" categorization.
@@kuratr I don't think it's necessarily the lack of critical thinking. For what I can gather, the latest period in History that was defined by a right-wing government - the so called Estado Novo - coincided with a time that people were uneducated and poor, with limited economic or social ties (the "proudly alone" stance) and a introversion into Portugal and it's decaying and ultimately disintegrating Empire. That period let to public fatigue with the right that culminated with the 25 d'Abril revolution that got rid of the single-party fascist regime. The social scars were so profound that people wouldn't even entertain the notion of voting for "the right" again for at least 3 generations. For a very long time, the most "right" alternative you from Portuguese politics was CDS which were basically the "caviar right" or the "rich conservative Christians that opposed communism". That's very far removed from the so-called "extreme right" (nationalism, xenophobia, racism, etc). Chega, from what I can gather, is the same as the old CDS but for the middle class peoples.
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To questions for you if possible :
. Do you full understand and speak portuguese ?
. You gave your opinion about Portugal. Can I ask now your opinion about the actual social, political and economic situacion in UK and the elective system ?
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Please do not assume I'm for or against british people in general.
I'ts really about your perspective of the world around you and your perception about English and portuguese history.
I visited recently the Liverpool museum by the river that impressed me, except for the top floor that surprisingly was about Portugal. Not a single mistake or comparison about uk on the world, or France, or Belgium, France or Holland but only about your friendly country that is Portugal.
You are correct more than 100% I voted CHEGA and I will. Thank you.
Maybe more people will come to their senses.
I don't think it is a stupid choice. i voted AFD recently for similar reasons.
It is a European phenomenon and not confined to any one country
Portugal Should be sent of Schengen Space. The rest of Europa has not obligation to receive People coming from Africa trough Portugal. Left and radical left parties have no responsibility. For them the portughese people is not very important.
This is a problem that has been created by the left - I fully agree.
Thing is even tho the government aint good and i actually agree portugal should try something on the right side, Chega is full of popular speeches and mostly hate viewpoints. I agree they are way less extremist than before covid but pointing out a problem with immigration or with people descendant from other countries that were born there so "they are portuguese" by law and by definition and the solution being "LETS GET RID OF THEM" isnt a real solution, thats literally just populist speeches just like the Nazi German party used in WW2.
Im not calling them Nazis (even tho portuguese neo nazis identify with them politically) and obv they are not even close to them with "extremism" the kind of speech they use is still in the same category. They say what people want to hear but that doesnt mean they will actually do something and pointing out something is wrong without a feasible solution aint rly a problem solver.
Well, I decided to make a video on Chega following my recent videos on various aspects of immigration in Portugal. Chega is not supported by everyone obviously, but I state my reasons for choosing the party here. In a democracy everyone, has the right to cast their vote as they wish and we should try to be respectful of that. Thank you.
I agree with you. I made a video about them asking what exactly is wrong in their manifesto... crickets.
@@theportugeeza I saw your video a few months ago. You went through a lot of the manifesto. This one is my personal take on what I like and dislike about their policies.
Congrats! I´m CHEGA too.
I think a lot of people support the ideas of Chega, but many will never openly say so.
From cafe-talk and even in some more professional settings, I've been gathering the feeling that Portugal will soon be joining Switzerland, Hungary, Finland, Sweden, Slovakia and Serbia in a full right-turn government in the next general legislative election. It will the first time ever since the days of Salazar and his fascist regime in the late 70's of last century. The Portuguese, as a people, don't seem to be well tailored for right-wing politics, but truth be said, we haven't seen it for quite some time to have an actual, factually-based opinion. The control of immigration and the raise of minimum wages could be done by other parties, not necessarily the extreme-right (even that Chega is not really "extreme-right" in the old-fashioned sense. In a country like Austria, it would be considered Christian right-wing conservatism and in England it would be just old-fashioned Tories).
I also get the same sense, however I am not optimistic that the next election will bring a transformation. The cult of socialism runs deep here and there are people who are just incorrigibly left wing here.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 I know a lot of those around here too, with a sort of quasi-religious or even sports-club fervor for the left - particularly PCP and PS - even though PS is a huge party that ranges from left-leaning social democracy towards pure centrism. They gained influence in the post 25 d'Abril and they have remained relevant until very recently. PS continues to be a very large and powerful party but PCP (communists) has waned in these last years. In the south, particularly in the Alentejo region, many people that were alive at the time (1974) were seduced for the PCP because of what they called the "agrarian revolution" which took the land from the original owners (many descendant from nobles and knighthood titles) and supposedly gave them to the people. This ended up not working as intended (naturally) but the people who were once owned nothing and were little more than feudal workers had the prospect of finally having something to call their own. These people became staunch PCP supporters in that quasi-religious fashion I spoke above. They will NEVER vote anything else other than PCP. But these people are now over 70 years old, sometimes over 80 or more, and are "dying out". The new generations - generally speaking - don't adhere to communist ideals anymore (the left-wing youth generally vote BE, which is more progressive extreme-left and proponents of the "new-left" AKA wokeism). All this to say that this so called "socialism cult" has its days counted.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 I love that you called socialism a "cult", that's a really good way to describe it XD
CHEGA is not "extreme right-wing". Is a center-right Conservative patriotic party. I am CHEGA and I regret is not a bit more to the right.
Yes, I said that I also do not think Chega is extreme right wing. However, that is what the socialists like to call it. I also want to see harsher policies from Chega - particularly on illegal immigrants.
Errado, são extremistas de direita. Basta ler o programa do partido. Um exemplo: acabar com o SNS. Está lá escrito que o governo não tem nada de fornecer serviços de saúde. Mas nas TV´s dizem o contrário e exigem mais investimento no SNS.
Obrigado, pelo vídeo e pelo voto CHEGA 💪💪
Obrigado pelo apoio.
I fully agree that we should offer a quicker process to our European brothers and we should honestly make it near impossible for anyone else with few exceptions.
Thank you. As I mentioned in the video, I like what Italy has done about this. It makes sense. Also the spouses of Portuguese, they deserve better treatment too - as long as it is a real marriage and not some game being played to get nationality.
Do you know that million of European "brothers" by their new European citizenship.
As a Portuguese man i thank you Sir to worry about issues most Portuguese Nationals don't even dream.
I am a European. I worry about Europe of which Portugal is an important part. Immigration is something which all EU nations need to tackle together. I hope more Portuguese will wake up to how bad the situation had become. Maybe they need to take a trip to Alentejo and see whole towns full of Nepalese to realize.
All the wise men vote CHEGA
I think I am more pragmatic than wise, but thanks.
It looks like my prospective in UK!!
I have been openly supporting Reform UK of Nigel Farage!
Also I been supporting Tommy Robinson that has been a active voice of the Danger of Islam in UK!
I also support reform in the UK. In Portugal, Islam is less of an issue than it is in Germany or the UK. Migrants here tend to come from other areas and Muslim communities here are relatively small - though they exist.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 I my go back to Portugal after almost 9 years here in UK; as things are not good now for me here in South Wales were I came 2 Years ago, and now this terrifying, Tyrant left wing government; And my Father is with advanced age of 82!
Very Sad complex times we are crossing, our Nations and Cultures are falling apart!!
I have to admit i did not know about the flat tax proposal from Chega. i think if more people knew about that, they would get more votes.
Yes, all the focus goes on the immigration policy
I think you are brave to make this video, but you explained it well.
Not sure, it was brave, but i am sure that there will be some people who do not like the message.
You can vote for ERGUE-TE also.
Clear Them Out! There needs to be a New Start! CHEGA!
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I agree that many migrants do need to be deported. However, when you look at the number of deportations actually carried out, it is tiny. This needs to change.
Honestly happy i found this video, finally cleaned my media lense perception of CHEGA, that i was too lazy to search it up haha. keep it up brother!!
It's not extreme right wing at all, the left and extreme left which have been in power for 50 years will say anyone to the right of their views is the extreme right, they do this everywhere in the western world.
50 years??? The P.S.D and even the C.D.S, which are right-wing parties, have never been in power, have they? Cavaco Silva (who is the most right-wing person in Portugal) never had absolute majorities, did he? Or did he have two? Passos Coelho never governed a completely right-wing government, did he? Or are you just saying the same thing you saw in some sensationalist video? And how about the conservative/Catholic and far-right dictatorship that closed Portugal to development and progress that lasted 48 years, where people were encouraged not to study to remain ignorant and not question the state?
The far left and Chega or even the far right are practically the same thing!
Some people think the PSD is center right, but to be honest they are more socialist than anything else. I find the commitment to CPLP disturbing.
@@paulocorreia7942 if your insulting your way to power like the left often does it shows you’re not the good guys. Ignorante és tu que não aceitas diferenças de opinião.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 What people outside Portugal don't seem to realize is that we've had left politics for almost 50 years since the end of our dictatorship. There were 2 parties formed right after the revolution: the Socialist Party (PS) and the Social Democrat Party (PSD). Both of which are left-leaning in nature. Yes. PSD is conceptually is a left-leaning party. The difference being that the Social Democrat Party was a little more to the right of Socialist Party, but still left-leaning. Thus it created a two party system... of the left.
Through the years they've sneakily placed the Social Democrat Party on the right-wing, which led to people in my country to believe they were actually ideologically opposed, when in fact they actually weren't. They gave us the illusion of choice in a way.
So we haven't had an actual real right-leaning party in power since ever. We DID have a right-leaning party which opposed PS and PSD back then, called CDS, but they were shunned by PS and PSD since its creation, and accused of being "far-right" since the very beginning, because they were actually a right wing party and also because they opposed the way our constitution was created. Our constitution is a mish mash of lefty ideology.
On the very first page of our constitution there's a phrase that says: "Ensuring the primacy of the democratic rule of law and paving the way for a socialist society." I think that speaks for itself on how our country's government has been built.
Most Portuguese people don't even know this, which just keeps everyone of us down, unaware of the real truth. The way my country is run is insidious and totalitarian in nature. I hope my explanation has been clear enough and I hope some of you spread this information to others.
Chega!!! 🇵🇹
I’m not stupid too… I voted CHEGA. Thanks for the vídeo!
Since I am not Portuguese, many people think i am stupid to support Chega. They misunderstand the party and think it is anti-foreigner.
Voting chega is a no brainer. Unforntunatelly plenty of portuguese voters still believe the narrative of the conventional media and therefore think with their feet.
I agree with you.
Thanks for the support.
I only vote on CHEGA!!!
if you want to come to angola to work you will need a work visa and with that a contract with the company in Angola and the authirization of the ministry where the company it's registered under, it's a long process. And you have no benefits from the govermment.
Basically, the same situation as in China, the Philippines, or Thailand. Other countries have rules like this that make sense. Meanwhile, In Europe, we have lost our minds and will let anyone come in.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 you defined it well we lost out minds and let anyone enter without any crimminal records and so on, to get a work visa it's a lot of work to get all the documents and even with all the documents it can be refused, by Quota or whatever.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 keep in mind i am out of my country (Portugal) for at least 11 years and i do not see anything getting better if we think to come home, but it will get to a point where it's not home anymore. And the most of it's due to this woke ideas or socialists ideas that we need all this people
I voted Chega, the only party that is not corrupt!
I agreed with almost everything you said.
Obrigado pelo apoio.
Andre Ventura para presidente! les go
We can hope.
Força Chega the only party that defends the people,
Also the only party with a decent leader who seems to care about the country.
If you go to Portugal to commit crimes,Come in illegally Or expect to Live off of the state than please stay out.That is not extreme its preserving the nation.Portugal should take care of its own who have contributed to the nation all there lives, Many have it bad enough as it is...and not give hand outs to those who have no connection to the nation ,just because you speak Portuguese is no valid reason or excuse,! .CHEGA.CHEGA.CHEGA.
Absolutely, criminal immigrants and those looking for a free lunch are not welcome in Portugal or indeed in Europe. We are not a charity.
Mi vote 🗳 💯 chega
Chega⚪️🔵
Me too. CHEGA!!! ✌
You clearly do not know the Portuguese political spectrum or agreements. Regarding making easier for naturalization for eu nationals, it's always dependent on other European countries making it easier for us, many countries require 8 to 10 years. Brasil has a special treatment not because the CPLP but because we have a bilateral agreement, portuguese people in brasil have the same rights as Brazilians in Portugal, we have an aging population and the agreement benefits us.
A flat tax would benefit elites and foreigners with residence in portugal (EU), which usually enjoy much higher incomes from their home countries and have distorted housing market. reducing taxation and expenditure of our goverment to provide cheaper taxes for foreigners isnt't on portuguese public interest as our population is aging fastly and we need to invest on our social security and healthcare , if you dont like it , leave our country. Health care and education are constitutional rights in portugal and we have spent 50 years trying to improve these, we will not go on blind cuts to satisfy the wealthy brits that took over the south of our country and dont even learn our language.
If you hate our country and politics so much , go back to your island, portugal is also fed up of brits.
Congrats
Thanks for the support
The reasons why I don't vote Chega:
- it has almost no ideology, Chega is mostly whatever André Ventura choses to defend at each moment, and that fluctuates at the whim of his moods (moods here meaning whatever he thinks will get him votes). A consequence of this is the high number of elected Chega officals (at Câmaras Municipais, etc) who clash with the party after they get elected. There just isn't much ideological "glue" keeping them together
- Chega is mostly a "defend the perimeter" party. While I accept that "defend the perimeter" is basically a political version of the "better safe than sorry" attitude, and there is nothing wrong with that, I believe that too much "defend the perimeter" and too much "better safe than sorry" lead to poverty and backwardness. It is all a matter of balance, and Chega are way off the perfect balance in this matter
- Chega belongs to the line of thought of "if someone is getting a bigger slice of the pizza then someone is surely getting a smaller slice". They are not so extreme in this as the communists (who are totally incapable of understanding that the economy pizza can grow and almost everybody can simultaneously get a bigger slice than they were getting 10 years ago) but they are in that ballpark...
- I am against quota immigration schemes. They are just a source of bureaucracy, mismatch between bureaucrats' decisions and the real needs of the economy. And also a source of bribes to make bureaucrats' stamp documents so that private enterprises can get the workers they need
The reasons why I don't agree with you:
- The Portuguese aren't tending to the fields and neither are the Germans, we just have a better system in place to get foreign workers than other countries do. Everybody else is doing it worse than we are, so why should we change our ways?
- this idea that our low paid workers will come from the EU is so fantasist I won't even waste time discussing it. Also I'm pretty sure Portugal by far prefers Brazilians and Cape Verdeans to any Eastern European source you may name (also there are fortunately no longer many EU citizens left who would fit the bill). It is not just that they speak Portuguese, most of the CPLP people WERE Portuguese until 1975. Calling them immigrants is a technicality.
- I don't want people living here without access to social security. It took us a long time and a lot of hard work to dismantle the huge slums that used to surround and encroach into some Portuguese cities. We finally (almost) finished doing it in the early 2000s. We don't want the slums back.
- you don't see the rationale behind allowing immigrants to have access to social security, education, family reunification, etc. The rationale is that we want to absorb and integrate them, not use them for a short period. And we are world class at doing it - we've had a steady declining crime rate for almost 25 years in a row, at the same time we absorbed probably more than one million immigrants (many of them coming from high crime countries!). And the ones who arrived here in the late 1990s/early 2000s (Ukrainians, Romanians, Moldovans, etc) are by now virtually indistinguishable from the rest of the population. Their children are totally undistinguishable for sure. We've proved we know how to do it, probably better than any other country on this planet
- although a consumption tax (IVA) sounds like a flat tax, it is actually a regressive tax (the poor spend all their money in consumption, the wealthier you are the less you potentially spend in consumption and the less you get taxed)
- libertarianism sounds very romantic, but what it actually would lead to would be a society without homes for the elderly, without hospitals for the sick, with huge slums, with fenced areas guarded by armed security forces for the better off citizens, etc. Libertarianism is basically present day Haiti...
Thanks for your thoughts. I think fundamentally where we differ is that I am fine with slums, poverty etc. I do not care. Other people's problems are the results of their life choices. You talk of Haiti, but I refer you to the US during the gilded age or European states in the period before the creation of the welfare state. In my view, thinks were fine then. Governments were small, people had to work to survive and the rate of technological progress was impressive.
In the modern era, most countries waste too much in paying for things like healthcare and social security and taxing people to the hilt in order to do it. Even then, it is not enough and they have to resort to unsustainable debt accumulation in order to carry on. It cannot continue. The bill is coming due. The welfare state was never a fabulous idea - though it was a popular one. In the face of uncontrolled migration from the 3rd world, things have started to buckle even faster. The cracks are apparent everywhere and there is no way out. The state has to step away and let people forge their own destiny. At least that is my belief.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 That is a brutally honest and simple way to put it. The only weak point there is that you talk as if avoiding slums and poverty puts a burden on society, but when you compare slum and "non-slum" societies, societies with slums are actually noticeably poorer and less developed overall. If your line of reasoning were true, not having to worry about slums and poverty would "free" the rest of society and allow it to reach new heights in technological development or whatever else. But that is definitely not what happens in the real world.
@@UbuTube You can say that non-slum societies are more prosperous, but I would point out that these societies achieved prosperity originally when they had slums. For instance, in the UK slum clearances did not begin in earnest until the post ww2 period, when the country was already a highly developed nation. The regions of the world, where there are slums are all countries that never developed and the reasons for this is much deeper than their policy on poverty reduction. It is arguable if the US has slums, it certainly has massive poverty / a vast wealth gap and yet is the most prosperous of nations. China also has massive poverty (whatever the CCP say) and has done well in many areas.
I would argue that the European model of the welfare state has failed. It grew too large and failed to account for demographic shifts. This is one of the reasons why the European economy is un-competitive and Europeans are becoming poorer compared to many other nations. looking at a comparative salary / wealth chart that lays the EU / UK against the US over the last 4 decades is frankly humbling.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 If you compare US vs European wealth in median terms instead of plain average the allure of the USA suddenly vanishes. An immensely rich small top of their social pyramid makes their average look artificially good.
On a different vein, if I understand well, Portugal does almost everything wrong. We have a Social State, you'd prefer a libertarian economy / we have relatively open borders, you'd prefer a "defend the perimeter" attitude / we absorb and integrate immigrants, you'd prefer that we had a merely mercantile (and reduced) relationship with them. For heaven sakes you don't even like the food here... So why did you choose Portugal? Could it be that you like the social results produced by our wrong options? Low criminality, relaxed lifestyle, etc? (warning: I suggest you don't answer "yes"). Or are you suffering daily in this social-democratic, and increasingly multi-cultural society, just because you're after a small bureaucratic detail, like PT nationality or whatever?
@@UbuTube I would have thought the core answer would have been obvious. I am an early Bitcoin investor. I used to be a miner in China from 2012 to 2019. I can cash out here tax free. As for the nationality, yes I will take it, however, I have 3 other (Tier A) passports already, so it is not a desperate situation. My presence here is not permanent and I aim to return to Asia in the next couple of years. I will keep the house in Portugal though and may spend some summers here.
As for the US wealth gap, wealth creation drives innovation. The EU has been left in the dust by the US when it comes to Tech. We literally have nothing. ARM maybe and some space companies in the UK. However, it is clear that as a Continent, we are being left behind.
Chega forever
Thanks for the support