"Riding has to be fun, and part of the fun has to be that you’re not worried about having too much technology on your bike. That’s just me - I’m not against technology........ The bike is a simple thing to enjoy - you don’t have to create a complexity that isn’t there." - Tom Ritchey -
The Ritchey Logic is so comfortable! As I commented in another video, I have a 2016 and a 2022 50th Anniversary Edition.....both with Shimano 105 5800, compact 11/28. The 2016 has Mavic Open Pro 32 spokes/5800 hubs, Ritchey Comp seatpost/stem/handlebar EvoCurve. The 2022 has Mavic Ksyrium Elite silver, Ritchey Classic seatpost/stem/handlebar EvoCurve. Both handlebars wrapped top to bottom.....Oh, and both weight more than 17 lbs, but I don't care; I just ride them (flat, hills, short rides, long rides). The greatest cyclist of history once said: “Ride as much or as little, or as long or as short as you feel. But ride.” - Édouard Louis Joseph, Baron Merckx -
What a great bike. It’s a shame that it’s not recognized that this spec is still relevant. Rim brakes on alloy rims are simple and effective and perform well. I have the Hed Ardennes series wheels on 2 bikes. These were among the first rims to use a wide profile with wide internal. They brake well and are the best in crosswinds The Ritchey Logic and your Serotta are 2 awesome and iconic bikes.
Thank you Rick! It is a shame that so many people are chasing the latest and greatest and fail to realize they already had it. Now they have complicated bikes with poor performance, higher weight and increased cost, an albatross around their neck. Now they have continue to lie to themselves and their friends that their bike is so awesome and aero and stiff because they spent $12,000. There’s no turning for that consumer and the bike industry that depends on their gullibility. Thanks for watching
You know you're a true Breakaway traveler when you find yourself in a panic in the back of an airport shuttle van desperately packing the bike before you arrive at the airport because you got hopelessly lost on your "one last ride to sightsee" before you have to fly home. Huge shout out to my hotel van driver for intentionally "slow driving" to departures even with other passengers on board to allow me to finish before being dumped at the terminal- he knows who he is and the best (indirect) route to LAX. I hope the other passengers enjoyed the comedic entertainment in the back at my expense and the driver used the extra tip to take his old bike out of the garage to a shop and make it rideable like he said he wanted. Breakaways are awesome!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Hey George, you know what else you probably don't have that will make you green with envy? Official Ritchey barkeeper tire levers that are also handlebar plugs! They they still make these in the age of flinging slime, errr, I mean "tubeless," but you need you some if you're a true Ritchey fanboy who's in the good fight to save the tubes (and rim brakes)!
@@zoufyj185 ha ha I had some at the shop a long time ago. They don’t work for me because I wrap my bar tape from the top down and anchor the bar tape with the bar plug. Honestly, I thought it was dumb design. There are other companies like Wolf Tooth who made a tool to put in your bar ends. I don’t know why anyone would want metal tools stuffed in their bars. Just another example of not KISS method. A tool kit works very well and it’s very simple. Look at Trek with their downtube storage compartment. WTF! Like I want stuff rattling around inside hollow carbon tubes and being amplified. KISS method always wins out in the end. No offense meant towards you!
Late to the party on this one. George you have shed a lot of light on bike features and what is the best choice for most people. The downside is that now I am looking to build up a Ritchey frame to replace my aging carbon bike. I won't tell my wife that you put me up to it. 😉😄 Thanks for the video.
Thank You for watching! Did I dispel some cycling marketing BS that everyone is promoting out there 😂 Thanks for watching please subscribe. I’d like to introduce you to The Retro Grouch character on my channel. Here is video 1 of 2 of my Ritchey ua-cam.com/video/NxlG0tlu-kU/v-deo.html
Hi George, Perfect setup! Really nice with tan GP5000 and black rims. When I got mine, I wondered if I had to go for the disc brake version. Hopefully I kept it simple and got one of the last rim brake frame available. No regrets 😃 Thanks for your videos.
Steel is Real, I ride a Gunnar Crosshairs that I have had for 8 years. I have the steel fork and cantilever brakes. When I ordered I already had wheels and didnt want to invest in discs at the time and glad I didnt. I put on Paul brakes and they are great. My builds are usually mutt builds. I ordered a new Gunnar Rock Tour and it should be in this week but I am still recovering from knee replacement surgery and plan to be on the bike Jan1. As far as the ride of my Gunnar, it is great. It is a planted bike, very stable at speed and just a wonderful ride. George, look into carry some Gunnars. I called Gunnar prior to ordering my last bike with some questions and they put Richard Schwin on the phone, talk about service. Been enjoying your videos and if I was in your area I would use your shop. Keep the videos coming cause I watch a lot of UA-cam during my recovery.
Wow Richard Schwinn! That’s incredible. I appreciate you watching and I hope your recovery goes as expected. I hope you’re subscribed 😉 You can start the countdown for January 1! I need to find a quote from Mr Schwinn about steel and share it with you.
I found it! Richard Schwinn once said "If all bicycles were made from aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber, then someone invented steel, it would be hailed as a miracle material."
Another useful real-world review of a great bike, thanks! In my case, you're preachin' to the choir, I have a 2018 version in blue, same size but Ritchey tweaked the dimensions just a bit to allow 30mm tire clearance- which I'll eventually try when my 25c Michelin Pro 4 stash is used up- they measure out to 26-27mm on the Hed Ardenne rims and feel great on the Ritchey for all the reasons George mentioned here and other vids. Mine has a similar build, D/A shifters but Ultegra 8000 for the rest. I love the fit (works for me, YMMV) and the "feel" is very neutral handling that inspires no-hands riding and high speed cornering confidence for this older risk-averse rider, especially on steep NorCal often-crappy surfaces that include unexpected slick and wet areas in the shadows or in misty morning fog conditions near the coast. The Ritchey is the only road bike I ever really "need" although I have a full steel custom made by a master American F-builder that I like a (just a little) better for really long days because of the bespoke fit that takes a Ritchey Logic perfect 10 to an even better- than-perfect 11 ah-factor. I love to ride both, and I often choose the Ritchey for a little variety (plus when I run into the Man himself on his local roads I hope I'm riding his bike!). Similar to the Ritchey top tube, my custom builder (Tom Kellogg FWIW) also dropped the the TT by 2-3 cm at the ST junction, with a barely visible slope. He explained that the reason for this design feature was less for maximizing the seatpost for "comfort", but rather it improves how the bike feels when standing on the pedals during a climb or a sprint- it has a more lively, better pendulum perception for the rider when the bike is rocking back and forth as compared with a horizontal top tube- subtle but I can feel it. The Ritchey's slightly dropped top tube lowers the bike's center of gravity just a bit when rocking the bike when riding out of the saddle. This is one difference between the Ritchey's dropped TT and a more traditional horizontal TT steel frame. I think it's a modern design improvement that's possible with a Tig-welded or fillet-brazed frame without the angle constraints of using lugs that constrain the design to a narrow range of joint angles.
I love my 1986 Schwinn Paramount SLX with 7-speed dura-ace (down tube shifters of course) but I enjoy my 16 pound carbon rocketship even more. The sky is not falling, carbon wheels & frames don't explode, disc brakes work great and e-shifting is kind of nice. That said I think your retro-grouchy reviews are adorable and fun, keep them coming George!
Here's the thing Doug, and by the way thank you for watching my back catalog there is a redeemable quality in that, your 1986 Schwinn Paramount is a dog. it is a nostalgic to keep it and it is great museum piece. It is what people had for steel race bike back then. But it's a dog now. It is nearly 40 years ago. It doesn't compare to a modern era triple butted steel bike. I have a lugged Bianchi from 1986/7 as well so I know what that Schwinn feels like. It is a frame that does not compare to today's modern Tig-welded frames. Keep in mind, I wasn't always a Retro-Grouch. I was sponsored from the early 2003-2013 - by various carbon brands such Cervelo (I did RAAM on a Soloist and a P3, Felt (several F1's) and Cannondale first Dura-Ace Di2 7970 (Super Six Evo < arguably one of the best and lightest and smoothest carbon bikes ever built) . I have a few newer carbon bikes still - notably a Bianchi XR4 rim brake would be my blah blah blah "carbon rocket ship" bike. It has its purpose and it's a great bike but not for my long stuff. When I went to Paris Brest Paris (1226km with 12,000 meters - 762 miles with 40,000ft) there was only one choice from my stable of 10 bikes. The Ritchey -- was picked for comfort, tire capacity, versatility, ease of travel, ease of maintenance etc. When you come to San Diego I will let you ride my Ritchey so you can see what all the hype is about. In the meantime thanks for watching Doug!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Respect, you have cred as far as I'm concerned. I'd dispute your contention that my old Paramount is a dog but I'll save that for another time. I just used it as an example but I assure you I've ridden a lot of nice modern steel and ti bikes too, we get a lot of sweet bikes rolling through our shop. I love steel, mechanical shifting, rim brakes etc. as ;much or more than anyone but think many of your claims and fears about modern tech seem unfounded. Like you I've been doing this for awhile and work in a busy shop and service lots of high end bikes and I'm not seeing carbon disasters like you describe. I ride a super light, ultra-fragile Trek SLR frame and it's solid and fun. A work horse that I commute, train and occasionally race on. Even with heavy disc brakes and 50mm rims it's still UCI light and smooth as glass on 28mm tubeless. Thanks for the discord George, I might take you up on that Ritchey ride if I ever find myself in Cali, that would be real nice. Swing by Gila Hike & Bike if your gps fails and somehow you find yourself lost in the middle of nowhere. Silver City NM.
My 8k600km (375 mile 26,540 feet) on my steel Ritchey first in - ahead of all the carbon electronic disc brake rocket ships 😂 one guy DNF’d because his rear derailleur failed about 250 miles in. Rim brake, mechanical external cables and housing for ultras you need a basic bike without all that nonsense 600km on the road with Jess and REV ua-cam.com/video/ZdGuWMhKaDs/v-deo.html
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad congratulations on the ride George but that's all you, not the bike. Carbon bikes routinely do the same thing. But you know that, right?
Beautiful bike. I just finished building a Moots Vamoots RSL ( Rim Brakes ). The last rim brake Moots sold in 2022 lol! I had a brand new 9070 Groupset and used that but changed the levers to the 9150 and 9100 brakes. My plan is to buy the 12 Speed Dura Ace ( rim ) next year.
Very cool! I have considered the 9200 groupset but I can't hide the battery for the derailleurs in the seat tube and the frame is not drilled in the Seat tube and chain stay for wiring the derailleurs. Maybe for another bike
Cool found the explainer video re disc breaks and everything else. Very interesting to someone new to road riding and susceptible to having everything carbon et al... :) Thanks Retro Grouch :)
The Retro Grouch appreciates your support! I like to keep things simple. Disc brakes add complexity to an otherwise elegant and simple machine like a bicycle.
"We’ve come to a point where products have become that complicated that you practically need to have your mechanic follow you in a car, and that’s not riding. My idea of riding is a lot more pure, a lot more realistic. It’s more based on you knowing your equipment and riding within the limits of your equipment. That’s all I’ve ever know." - Tom Ritchey -
Before you consider dropping the bike weight, you should look at home first. The bottom line is about about the rider. Also the older you get, the bigger the rear cassette becomes. 😁 Too bad I didn’t win the 2 billion dollar lottery so I can have a walk-in bike closet with retro and modern bikes.
I still have 2 rim brake bikes, both mechanical, alloy wheels(Hed) one is external cable and I prefer them without question over my disc frames with carbon wheels and DI2. Granted everyone has their favorite setups and opinions and what makes one person happy may differ from the next, but I think they Feel quicker, lighter, more reliable and simpler to the constant pain in the a*s of my other bikes. In the end, whatever puts a smile on your face and gets you out there is all that matters
I love my Ritchey Carbon Break Away with 11-speed SRecord because I travel a lot in the past. Now that I am pretty much settled in my current assignment for at least the next 3 years or so (except for a trip to Poland next week) I am thinking of selling it and getting a steel Logic. I have a steel Tesch S-22 with 11-speed Record but that is a bike that was meant for crits not long rides, akin to that special weekend car versus your daily driver. The Carbon Break Away is very light but I doubt the extra weight from a steel Logic would bother me as I am a steel fanatic having just built up a steel ‘89 Pinarello Montello with 11-speed Chorus to go with my ‘91 steel Zullo with 11-speed Athena. Yeah, I need a steel Ritchey in my stable…
Very nice bike! The only negative I heard about hammerhead is the poor battery life compared to the competition. Interesting, my bike came equipped with a KMC chain and just recently switched to a Shimano chain. I can't tell a difference in the milage yet. It just feels like the Shimano chain runs and shifts smoother and quieter while the KMC one was a little noisier. And just in case you missed my comment under your recent video about carbon wheels. I'm in the middle of the decision making process for a wheeler upgrade with a budget of 1000$ and your video really helped. On one side a budget/ entry level carbon wheelset like the Roval c38 and on the other side a more premium alloy wheelset like the DT swiss ER1400. And after taking everything into consideration including the points you made I'll go with the reasonable choice and buy the alloy wheels. They are actually cheaper and lighter and the only left on the plus side for the carbon wheels are the looks since I'm not so sure how much the aero benefits of a relatively shallow 40mm carbon rim would really matter. So thanks for sharing your experience and keep going I'm sure the subscribers will come!
George, I agree with almost everything you said in this video. I live in Montreal and ride all year long including in the snow, so I have disc brakes and they are far superior on cold, wet and icy roads. Other than that, my Ritcheys are also my best riding bikes and I have CF, Aluminium and Ti frames. Love your Ritchey!
Hello Peter luckily we don’t get much rain here and we would find snow if we went to the mountains during our winter but that can really be dangerous - hitting black ice on a descent. Please be careful out there and stay warm!
I have them on my e-bike. My experience with disc brakes is that in cold winter conditions (I live where we have real winters) or muddy wet the brake pads deteriorate very very quick. Even quicker than good hard clinchers. After 200km they are gone. And they don't have any magically higher breaking power. The only thing they help with is the wear of the rim.
Ha ha just because something is popular doesn’t make it right or better. Being a contrarian it’s usually popular. But when you know something is better You don’t need to seek approval or validation from those of popular opinion side
Hi George. Like you said, a bike should be simple. The new bikes appear sleek and simple but they're actually the opposite. They hide control systems that are increasingly complex and difficult to service.
The new bikes are truly deceptive. They are really good at hiding their complexity with clean and tidy integrated bars, and stems and internal cable routing but it’s not at all simple to work on for the home or the experienced shop mechanic.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad The Ritcheys are a great example of design for serviceability and longevity. There are no hard to source boutique parts. It is absolutely guaranteed that a lot of the spare parts needed to keep all these new bikes going will become v difficult to find in as little as 10 years. So, the cost to own is even higher than what we see up front. IDK. If I didn't have a bike and were deciding what to get, it would be a good steel frame, possibly used + Sora or Tiagra (9/10 speed is plenty) + a good set of alloy wheels. Pretty sure you could do that for < $2500. It would ride great, last a long time, be easy and inexpensive to maintain.
Thank You for watching Jenni! I wanted to respond to you and tell you that I posted part 2. I couldn’t remember which video you had requested me to post it.
Great video and I love steel although I don't currently own one I've ridden many. The only minor thing I noticed was that long rear skewer axle-lol. Back when I was racing I got a warning about that in bike tech as it can be bad in a crash to have exposed axle like that though I think it's pretty unlikely. Ever since then it's something that I notice though.
Ha ha good eye! Steel frames have thin dropouts. Carbon frames have big fat over built drops a few mms on each sides takes up a lot of that exposed axle on my carbon frames 😉
I've been looking out for one of these frames for a while, I need to replace a bent CAAD12, just not many of them in the UK and it seems that they pretty much stopped importing them during the pandemic. I'll keep looking.
The CAAD12 is a great bike as well. Sorry to hear it’s damaged. Importing might be an issue but I also think production has main the main issue on availability worldwide.
Hi George, Have you ever tried Campagnolo Record or Super Record groupsets? I have used Dura Ace 9000 and Ultegra R8000 and made the transition for my wife and I to Campagnolo. I found the shifting was more precise and quicker (especially under load). Plus Campagnolo has the 5 step upshift with one thumb swipe.
I’ve worked on hundreds of Campy bikes in over 20 years of wrenching on bikes and think their shifting is terrible compared to Shimano Dura-Ace R9100. I can’t understand for the life of me why anyone thinks Campy is worth putting on their bike. It is clunky, not precise, quirky and overpriced. Even just a chain replacement is a huge pain in the ass. I think people think it impresses me when they say “I have full Campy Record on my bike” the only thing I think when I hear that is “Oh I’m sorry” The 5 step up shift is a non starter for me. When would you ever use that if you know how to shift properly in a pack on a descent down a mountain. Furthermore, the thumb shifter is horrible ergonomics. In fact it was used on the lowest end Shimano for a time and then they got rid of it. But hey if you like it then more power to you. The only benefit I see to Campy is they still have a 12 speed rim brake groupset that I might install on a bike in the future because it’s the last resort to have a rim brake groupset. Just being honest here
My wife's and my bikes were equipped with Ultegra 9 speed. We progressively upgraded to Dura Ace 10 and then 11 speed. I used Ultegra R8000 on a secondary bike. My initial impression with Campagnolo was similar to your opinion: They seemed to have a less refined shifting, a bit clunky. However, I acquired a bike with Super Record 11 speed and used it for several months. I found it was very precise, discrete, and quick. However, when it came to swapping gear between bikes, I had to discard the Shimano method of shifting calibration and follow Campagnolo's methodology, which is not intuitive. Once I followed their directions, it was very simple and repeating the method on subsequent installations, I obtained excellent results quickly. The other thing I noticed, Campagnolo does not need subsequent fine tuning. With Dura Ace or Ultegra, they require periodic tension adjustment. Yes, most local shops charge high prices for Campagnolo. However, Velo Mine is reasonably priced and Bike24, Probikekit, and Starbike have very competitive prices and quick shipping. I agree, buying for snob appeal leads to poor choices. It is best to purchase based on objectivity. @@SeeYouUpTheRoad
Beautiful bike!! 😍 My main ride is a Ritchey Ti Break Away with a very similar set up. Zipp SC Alu stem/ same bars/ Sram Etap Group for ease of reassembly though and I hand built some DT Swiss R460 Rim Brake wheels. 25mm conti GP 5k tires balloon up to 28mm there. *those HED rims are the bomb. I live in flatlandia (chicago) - Disc brakes don't benefit me at all here. 17lbs. I won't bash your heretical reverse grip tape if you will accept my heretical mtb pedals.
OMG - my dream bike 😍😍😍 I want a Ti - Breakaway!! Very nice set-up Chris. Yep Etap or AXS rim brake would be ideal for Breakaway usage. Thank You for watching please consider subscribing
Yes, bikes should be simple. I usually ride with no more than an Allen key to adjust seatpost height, maybe a pump on real long rides in the countryside.
" Ok my bikes aren’t custom, but they’re based on proven geometry that has for me represented the thousands of bikes that I’ve made, so I feel like I’m in a much closer range to fit somebody [on one of my stock bikes] than a traditional carbon bike these days." - Tom Ritchey -
I haven’t had the pleasure of trying a Hammerhead computer. Tell me what you like about it? My go to computer is the Garmin 1040 Solar absolutely incredible battery life which I need as an Ultra cyclist.
If someone at Ritchey reads this: Please, bring this exact frame with Direct Mount brake mounts and pre-drilled holes for Di2 cables. Everything else is perfect.
@@mk-yg7op thank you that is very kind of you! If and when you find a video worthy of sharing please do so. For now the channel needs the viewers ti help it grow. Thanks for watching
I have Williams S30 alloys on my CAAD 9. They are very light. I really love them so far. What do you think of those? I think Williams was bought out a few years ago.
Ouch! Mine are alloys. I think of Williams alloys as the same as Boyd Alloys. I’m planning to vacation out there next year. I hope to visit your show… and maybe do a ride with you. :)
I quickly discovered that these wheels require pressure that's incompatible with riding tubes. I am now around 85 kilos and it says 5 bars at the max, which is below the pinch-flat safety treshhold of 5.5 for my at the front and 7 at the back. Very intresting choice, considering you hating on the tubess, which these wheels are intented to. Also, no big surprize no one is using this braking surface on any other wheels - it will eat your brake pads in no time. One could as well glue some sandpaper on their rims. And for what, being better in the rain you never ride during? Very intresting indeed.
and this comment was just made by another viewer "@WilliamBoike • 1 day ago "After I bought my Pinarello 10+ years ago I replaced the Fulcrum wheels for a pair of Hed Ardennes rims. The wheels are still like new, and braking is excellent especially with the aid of the Campy rim brakes." so I guess William made and very interesting choice indeed as well -- which worked out for him too!
I agree with you about kmc chains, I find them better than scram or Shimano. Not sure about wrapping the tape from the top, that's a bit odd, doesn't it mess up where your hands sit behind the hoods?
Hello Hector! I wrap this way so that I don’t have to use the hideous black electrical tape every bike shop mechanic on the planet uses when they terminate the wrap at the stem. This top down technique makes for a super clean and tidy install and no issues behind the hoods. I actually don’t understand what would be an issue just because it’s wrapped this way. But I have wrapped thousands of handlebars this way for years. Thank you for watching! Please consider subscribing
Love it!!! With the wheels and the textured brake track - do they eat the brake pads faster than a smooth brake track? How do they compare in terms of braking performance to smooth track rims?
Hello J from the HED CYCLING “Compared to other rim brake wheels on the market, HED’s Turbine Braking Technology produces 25% shorter stopping distances in dry conditions and 70% shorter stopping distances in wet conditions. Read that again. Our all-black, textured alloy brake track, seamlessly matched to a hyper-aero carbon rim section, give you all-around riding performance with none of the concerns of carbon braking surfaces.” They are better than smooth alloy as well but I don’t have a measurement to give you. I don’t feel I go through standard brake pads any faster but even if they wore out faster they are very affordable anyway fewer than $10 retail
I'm not sold on rim brake at all. I don't like the modulation with carbon rims. I had yellow prince pads on a Mavic carbon rim, and the braking left a lot to be desired. Edit: nice bike, and the wheels look very promising. I'd rock those over carbon hoops. I didn't know this tech exists.
Correct! That’s why I don’t ride carbon rims. In the dry they suck in the wet they are downright dangerous! Alloy wheels for rim brake. Carbon wheels for disc
I said in the video that this cassette is the same weight or close enough to Dura-Ace 11-28 but it’s 11-32 so there is no way Ultegra 11-32 would be lighter than Dura-Ace 11-28 😜
Friends do not believe me that descending fast on steel fork feels so much safer than carbon fork! Tire is glued to the road, no jumping on bad surface like on carbon. You need wider tire and very low pressure to get similiar feeling on carbon, but than it feels slow.
I know! I get accused of being a Retro Grouch. It’s really really hard to explain to people that fork technology from 50 years ago is better than the $12K bike they are riding today. It’s inconceivable to them and they also get butt hurt when you sit on their wheel or out descend them on a steel bike with a steel fork 🤣
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Friend finished the new bike few minutes ago, Koga Miyata Road Winner steel frame from 1991, NOS, 105 R7000 groupset and Fulcrum Zero wheels. It looks beautiful and will ride so nice, can't wait for better weather to go on first ride.
I’m not sure how much you would want to adjust for a “more upright riding position” what do you consider “an all day bike” qualify these two comments for me please
Hi George, an all day bike would lessen the pressure on my upper body as I lean forward to the bars, I know a typical answer would be to get a Specialized Roubaix, but I would like something unique like a Ritchey steel frame. Seems like the Outback has that more relaxed frame geometry but it designed for gravel and bike packing. I still want to run skinny road tires like a 25mm which would probably not look good on an Outback.
@@jesseg8920 hello Jesse Thank You for expounding on your needs. Depending on the size I think the Road Logic headtube gives generous height relative to race bikes but a little shorter than “Endurance” bikes. Personally I dislike the endurance bike moniker. I ride a 55cm Ritchey it has a 160mm headtube. My Bianchi XR4 55cm has a 140cm. If you zoom in on this Ritchey I have cut the steerer tube because I never intended to ride 200 plus milers on it. But if you put 3cm of spacers and a little rise on your stem you will have a fairly tall handlebar placement without going full Roubaix 🤣🤣 DISCLAIMER: this is not sizing or fitting advice. I’m just making generalize statements, a bike set up. We could chat on a 1 to 1 consultation to assess which frame size might work best for you and stem/spacer set up. Here are the Stack and reach for the 3 bikes mentioned in this thread in a 55cm or equivalent Stack and reach Road Logic 568 and 395 Outback 587 and 390 XR4 541 and 390
@@jesseg8920 I did a video of my set-up on the Ritchey for a 400km 250 miler with 10,000 ft of gain check out this video. Also I have an event recap in the works about how the bike felt for 16 hours. Please like and subscribe and hit that notifications 🔔 so you know when it goes live Thanks for the dialogue JesseG! My Road to PBP - Episode 3 - 400km Brevet bike set-up (250 mi 10k ft) #RoadToPBP ua-cam.com/video/aTYk-5yI8z0/v-deo.html
George, thank you for the entire explanation of the difference, I like the Logic so I want to make it work. I don’t plan to do 200 miles at once, I just want as comfortable a ride as possible for up to 100 miles max but typically a 40 miles ride. Really appreciate you explaining everything.
At yes! I’m familiar with Stinner frames. Very similar design to the classic way of building frames. My only objection to the design is the oversized headset/headtube. The fork (1” steel being the benchmark) is the most important component to beginning the ride quality experience for the rider. Next 1 1/8” because they had to go carbon would be acceptable. But once you go above 1 1/8” headset it becomes too stiff even in steel. But other than that when Ritchey Road Logics rim brake are no longer made then this will be a great substitute
They were a gift. But I have seen ads come up on my Facebook/Instagram feed. Apologies I don’t have a link for you. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Hey George, love the steel bike! I hear those Favero pedals add a good bit of Q factor to the bike (50mm or something). Is this true ? And did it take you much time to get used to?
Thank you! Nonsense! Where did you hear that?!?!?! Are you sure you are not talking about the Shimano version? You will NEVER notice it anyway. Why do people worry about insignificant things? Because some UA-camr made a fuss about something so minor? Thanks for watching!
Thanks ! I’ve been looking into pedal based power meters vs crank based to up my training game. I have a couple bikes and I like the idea of just switching the pedals.
I did 125 mile ride on my Ritchey yesterday - surrounded by carbon bikes with aero wheels electronic shifting and disc brakes - I had no trouble setting the pace and dropping folks throughout the ride 😉 strava.app.link/jk4MVEvpZwb
I just noticed you’re in LA. In flat terrain where you live weight is completely irrelevant. It doesn’t matter anyway but especially so in flat terrain where you ride. A steel bike will give you incredible ride quality. Please build it with alloy wheels though, carbon rim brake wheels offer terrible braking in the dry and downright dangerous in the wet. Additionally, longer spokes offer better ride quality than carbon wheels with shorter spokes. Lastly, I noticed you liked a photo of a climbing ride I did on the Ritchey. One of many many of the 10,000 ft climbing days I’ve done on that Ritchey. In other words it’s great in flat terrain like yesterday’s 125 miler with only 5,000 ft or an all day climbing day. This is the video from that day REV Rides Episode #1 San Bernardino (1300 elevation) to Onyx Summit (8443 elevation) ua-cam.com/video/ieJ3aueGpE4/v-deo.html
@@justindixon11 old school has it’s benefits- ease of build and service and lack of proprietary parts -external cables and housing so you can always inspect the material condition of your cables and so on
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad curious about those HED Ardennes braking surface. Do you feel/think it provides better stopping power than normal alloy surface? Does it scratch and show silver streak from road debri?
@@openwheelracing88 yes superior braking power to standard alloy. Vastly superior to carbon. Keep in mind Disc brake road bikes were created because of goofy people riding carbon wheels. They have terrible braking performance in the dry and dangerous in the wet.
Another thing that makes me laugh is "better feel" when referring to disc brake. You're telling me there's better feel on your fingers where the physical connection of brake pad on rotor is transferred via FLUID? Versus the connection of brake pad on rim brake track is transferred by a SOLID WIRE. Yeah... sure bud. (Coming from someone who's had 1xSram 2xDuraAce disc brake bikes)
That is correct! It will always come down to tire traction on the road. Loose over hard, sand in a corner, wet roads, wet painted lines and disc brakes Work great on a mountain bike because it is such a big fat tire. disc brakes on a road bike are limited by the small, narrow road bike tire even if you ride 32 mm or more
Your the only person I've heard say it , love disc brakes on my mountain bike and even my cyclocross bike, have no interest in riding road with hydraulic disc brakes
"Riding has to be fun, and part of the fun has to be that you’re not worried about having too much technology on your bike. That’s just me - I’m not against technology........ The bike is a simple thing to enjoy - you don’t have to create a complexity that isn’t there." - Tom Ritchey -
And then he started to sell bikes with hydraulic disc brakes and electronic shifting.... The smell of the cash was just too sweet.
The Ritchey Logic is so comfortable! As I commented in another video, I have a 2016 and a 2022 50th Anniversary Edition.....both with Shimano 105 5800, compact 11/28. The 2016 has Mavic Open Pro 32 spokes/5800 hubs, Ritchey Comp seatpost/stem/handlebar EvoCurve. The 2022 has Mavic Ksyrium Elite silver, Ritchey Classic seatpost/stem/handlebar EvoCurve. Both handlebars wrapped top to bottom.....Oh, and both weight more than 17 lbs, but I don't care; I just ride them (flat, hills, short rides, long rides). The greatest cyclist of history once said: “Ride as much or as little, or as long or as short as you feel. But ride.” - Édouard Louis Joseph, Baron Merckx -
Awesome bike George. I agree keep it simple. Makes me want to return to a rim bike.
Thank you for watching! Tell me why you want to return to rim brake?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Going back to my roots as a junior cyclist. My disc bike is heavy compared to yours. I would like to be in the 15lb to 16lb range.
@@aaronhamlen8215 how much does your disc brake bike weigh?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad My 2017 Giant Defy approx 19 - 20lbs
@@aaronhamlen8215 yeah that’s heavy. Disc brake bikes turned the clock back 20 years on bike development
What a great bike. It’s a shame that it’s not recognized that this spec is still relevant. Rim brakes on alloy rims are simple and effective and perform well. I have the Hed Ardennes series wheels on 2 bikes. These were among the first rims to use a wide profile with wide internal. They brake well and are the best in crosswinds The Ritchey Logic and your Serotta are 2 awesome and iconic bikes.
Thank you Rick! It is a shame that so many people are chasing the latest and greatest and fail to realize they already had it. Now they have complicated bikes with poor performance, higher weight and increased cost, an albatross around their neck. Now they have continue to lie to themselves and their friends that their bike is so awesome and aero and stiff because they spent $12,000. There’s no turning for that consumer and the bike industry that depends on their gullibility.
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This video makes me love my Ritchey steel Break-Away even more :) Simple, reliable and rides really nice
I am green with envy as I am without a Breakaway in my quiver.
You know you're a true Breakaway traveler when you find yourself in a panic in the back of an airport shuttle van desperately packing the bike before you arrive at the airport because you got hopelessly lost on your "one last ride to sightsee" before you have to fly home. Huge shout out to my hotel van driver for intentionally "slow driving" to departures even with other passengers on board to allow me to finish before being dumped at the terminal- he knows who he is and the best (indirect) route to LAX. I hope the other passengers enjoyed the comedic entertainment in the back at my expense and the driver used the extra tip to take his old bike out of the garage to a shop and make it rideable like he said he wanted. Breakaways are awesome!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Hey George, you know what else you probably don't have that will make you green with envy? Official Ritchey barkeeper tire levers that are also handlebar plugs! They they still make these in the age of flinging slime, errr, I mean "tubeless," but you need you some if you're a true Ritchey fanboy who's in the good fight to save the tubes (and rim brakes)!
@@zoufyj185 ha ha I had some at the shop a long time ago. They don’t work for me because I wrap my bar tape from the top down and anchor the bar tape with the bar plug. Honestly, I thought it was dumb design. There are other companies like Wolf Tooth who made a tool to put in your bar ends. I don’t know why anyone would want metal tools stuffed in their bars.
Just another example of not KISS method. A tool kit works very well and it’s very simple. Look at Trek with their downtube storage compartment. WTF! Like I want stuff rattling around inside hollow carbon tubes and being amplified.
KISS method always wins out in the end.
No offense meant towards you!
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Late to the party on this one. George you have shed a lot of light on bike features and what is the best choice for most people. The downside is that now I am looking to build up a Ritchey frame to replace my aging carbon bike. I won't tell my wife that you put me up to it. 😉😄 Thanks for the video.
Oh just use me as your scapegoat I can take it. Tell your wife I made you get a new Ritchey frame :-) Thanks for watching please consider subscribing.
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It is not often I agree 100% with a cycling video on UA-cam. But this is it. TRUTH being told here.
Thank You for watching! Did I dispel some cycling marketing BS that everyone is promoting out there 😂
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Here is video 1 of 2 of my Ritchey
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Hi George,
Perfect setup!
Really nice with tan GP5000 and black rims.
When I got mine, I wondered if I had to go for the disc brake version. Hopefully I kept it simple and got one of the last rim brake frame available. No regrets 😃
Thanks for your videos.
You’re Welcome and thanks watching!
Dear Georges, it's a beautiful bike, built for efficiency , I like your expertise and thank you so much for sharing !
Thank You for watching Jerome!
Steel is Real, I ride a Gunnar Crosshairs that I have had for 8 years. I have the steel fork and cantilever brakes. When I ordered I already had wheels and didnt want to invest in discs at the time and glad I didnt. I put on Paul brakes and they are great. My builds are usually mutt builds. I ordered a new Gunnar Rock Tour and it should be in this week but I am still recovering from knee replacement surgery and plan to be on the bike Jan1. As far as the ride of my Gunnar, it is great. It is a planted bike, very stable at speed and just a wonderful ride. George, look into carry some Gunnars. I called Gunnar prior to ordering my last bike with some questions and they put Richard Schwin on the phone, talk about service.
Been enjoying your videos and if I was in your area I would use your shop. Keep the videos coming cause I watch a lot of UA-cam during my recovery.
Wow Richard Schwinn! That’s incredible. I appreciate you watching and I hope your recovery goes as expected. I hope you’re subscribed 😉
You can start the countdown for January 1!
I need to find a quote from Mr Schwinn about steel and share it with you.
I found it!
Richard Schwinn once said "If all bicycles were made from aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber, then someone invented steel, it would be hailed as a miracle material."
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I also got to speak with Mr. Schwinn when I ordered my Gunnar Rockhound. Sadly Waterford and Gunnar are no more.
@@davidpankras1933 sadly! Important companies in the history of bicycles! Thank you for watching please consider subscribing
Another useful real-world review of a great bike, thanks! In my case, you're preachin' to the choir, I have a 2018 version in blue, same size but Ritchey tweaked the dimensions just a bit to allow 30mm tire clearance- which I'll eventually try when my 25c Michelin Pro 4 stash is used up- they measure out to 26-27mm on the Hed Ardenne rims and feel great on the Ritchey for all the reasons George mentioned here and other vids. Mine has a similar build, D/A shifters but Ultegra 8000 for the rest. I love the fit (works for me, YMMV) and the "feel" is very neutral handling that inspires no-hands riding and high speed cornering confidence for this older risk-averse rider, especially on steep NorCal often-crappy surfaces that include unexpected slick and wet areas in the shadows or in misty morning fog conditions near the coast. The Ritchey is the only road bike I ever really "need" although I have a full steel custom made by a master American F-builder that I like a (just a little) better for really long days because of the bespoke fit that takes a Ritchey Logic perfect 10 to an even better- than-perfect 11 ah-factor. I love to ride both, and I often choose the Ritchey for a little variety (plus when I run into the Man himself on his local roads I hope I'm riding his bike!). Similar to the Ritchey top tube, my custom builder (Tom Kellogg FWIW) also dropped the the TT by 2-3 cm at the ST junction, with a barely visible slope. He explained that the reason for this design feature was less for maximizing the seatpost for "comfort", but rather it improves how the bike feels when standing on the pedals during a climb or a sprint- it has a more lively, better pendulum perception for the rider when the bike is rocking back and forth as compared with a horizontal top tube- subtle but I can feel it. The Ritchey's slightly dropped top tube lowers the bike's center of gravity just a bit when rocking the bike when riding out of the saddle. This is one difference between the Ritchey's dropped TT and a more traditional horizontal TT steel frame. I think it's a modern design improvement that's possible with a Tig-welded or fillet-brazed frame without the angle constraints of using lugs that constrain the design to a narrow range of joint angles.
What a wonderfully thought out post. Thank you for your positive contribution to this thread.
Cheers!!
I love my 1986 Schwinn Paramount SLX with 7-speed dura-ace (down tube shifters of course) but I enjoy my 16 pound carbon rocketship even more. The sky is not falling, carbon wheels & frames don't explode, disc brakes work great and e-shifting is kind of nice. That said I think your retro-grouchy reviews are adorable and fun, keep them coming George!
Here's the thing Doug, and by the way thank you for watching my back catalog there is a redeemable quality in that, your 1986 Schwinn Paramount is a dog. it is a nostalgic to keep it and it is great museum piece. It is what people had for steel race bike back then. But it's a dog now. It is nearly 40 years ago. It doesn't compare to a modern era triple butted steel bike. I have a lugged Bianchi from 1986/7 as well so I know what that Schwinn feels like. It is a frame that does not compare to today's modern Tig-welded frames.
Keep in mind, I wasn't always a Retro-Grouch. I was sponsored from the early 2003-2013 - by various carbon brands such Cervelo (I did RAAM on a Soloist and a P3, Felt (several F1's) and Cannondale first Dura-Ace Di2 7970 (Super Six Evo < arguably one of the best and lightest and smoothest carbon bikes ever built) . I have a few newer carbon bikes still - notably a Bianchi XR4 rim brake would be my blah blah blah "carbon rocket ship" bike. It has its purpose and it's a great bike but not for my long stuff. When I went to Paris Brest Paris (1226km with 12,000 meters - 762 miles with 40,000ft) there was only one choice from my stable of 10 bikes. The Ritchey -- was picked for comfort, tire capacity, versatility, ease of travel, ease of maintenance etc.
When you come to San Diego I will let you ride my Ritchey so you can see what all the hype is about. In the meantime thanks for watching Doug!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Respect, you have cred as far as I'm concerned. I'd dispute your contention that my old Paramount is a dog but I'll save that for another time. I just used it as an example but I assure you I've ridden a lot of nice modern steel and ti bikes too, we get a lot of sweet bikes rolling through our shop.
I love steel, mechanical shifting, rim brakes etc. as ;much or more than anyone but think many of your claims and fears about modern tech seem unfounded. Like you I've been doing this for awhile and work in a busy shop and service lots of high end bikes and I'm not seeing carbon disasters like you describe. I ride a super light, ultra-fragile Trek SLR frame and it's solid and fun. A work horse that I commute, train and occasionally race on. Even with heavy disc brakes and 50mm rims it's still UCI light and smooth as glass on 28mm tubeless.
Thanks for the discord George, I might take you up on that Ritchey ride if I ever find myself in Cali, that would be real nice. Swing by Gila Hike & Bike if your gps fails and somehow you find yourself lost in the middle of nowhere. Silver City NM.
My 8k600km (375 mile 26,540 feet) on my steel Ritchey first in - ahead of all the carbon electronic disc brake rocket ships 😂 one guy DNF’d because his rear derailleur failed about 250 miles in.
Rim brake, mechanical external cables and housing for ultras you need a basic bike without all that nonsense
600km on the road with Jess and REV
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad congratulations on the ride George but that's all you, not the bike. Carbon bikes routinely do the same thing. But you know that, right?
Thank You but my point was one guy had to DNF because his SRAM AXS RD stopped working.
Beautiful bike.
I just finished building a Moots Vamoots RSL ( Rim Brakes ). The last rim brake Moots sold in 2022 lol!
I had a brand new 9070 Groupset and used that but changed the levers to the 9150 and 9100 brakes.
My plan is to buy the 12 Speed Dura Ace ( rim ) next year.
Will send you a pic on instagram
Very cool! I have considered the 9200 groupset but I can't hide the battery for the derailleurs in the seat tube and the frame is not drilled in the Seat tube and chain stay for wiring the derailleurs.
Maybe for another bike
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Aw! Yeah
The first rode bike I had was a steel Jamis. Beautiful riding bike. Wish I still had it.
I wish you still had it too!
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Too late, already did. 😛
@@chrisparent4660 ❤️!! Thank You
Cool found the explainer video re disc breaks and everything else. Very interesting to someone new to road riding and susceptible to having everything carbon et al... :) Thanks Retro Grouch :)
The Retro Grouch appreciates your support! I like to keep things simple. Disc brakes add complexity to an otherwise elegant and simple machine like a bicycle.
"We’ve come to a point where products have become that complicated that you practically need to have your mechanic follow you in a car, and that’s not riding.
My idea of riding is a lot more pure, a lot more realistic. It’s more based on you knowing your equipment and riding within the limits of your equipment. That’s all I’ve ever know." - Tom Ritchey -
Before you consider dropping the bike weight, you should look at home first. The bottom line is about about the rider. Also the older you get, the bigger the rear cassette becomes. 😁
Too bad I didn’t win the 2 billion dollar lottery so I can have a walk-in bike closet with retro and modern bikes.
Ha Ha love it! Correct most people need to lose 15-50 lbs and they are obsessed about their bike components weighing 50 grams more!
This is absolutely IT. Love it. Perfect.
Thank You Stan!
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Very interesting video. I like how you explain why you use each part
You’re Welcome! I think that’s why people tune in to my videos - the speciality and details. Thanks for watching
Lovely bike George.. looks awesome ❤👍🚴🤩🏅mechanical Ultegra for me love it.. 😀 dinosaur 🦖 in me again 😅
We are dinosaurs 🦕 and happy!!
Shoots my carbon Cervelo soloist weighs in at 18.3# and that with Tpu inners. Super nice bike George.
Thank You G C !
I still have 2 rim brake bikes, both mechanical, alloy wheels(Hed) one is external cable and I prefer them without question over my disc frames with carbon wheels and DI2. Granted everyone has their favorite setups and opinions and what makes one person happy may differ from the next, but I think they Feel quicker, lighter, more reliable and simpler to the constant pain in the a*s of my other bikes. In the end, whatever puts a smile on your face and gets you out there is all that matters
Truer words have never been spoken! I completely agree. Some people like chocolate, some people like vanilla for watching please consider subscribing.
I love my Ritchey Carbon Break Away with 11-speed SRecord because I travel a lot in the past. Now that I am pretty much settled in my current assignment for at least the next 3 years or so (except for a trip to Poland next week) I am thinking of selling it and getting a steel Logic. I have a steel Tesch S-22 with 11-speed Record but that is a bike that was meant for crits not long rides, akin to that special weekend car versus your daily driver. The Carbon Break Away is very light but I doubt the extra weight from a steel Logic would bother me as I am a steel fanatic having just built up a steel ‘89 Pinarello Montello with 11-speed Chorus to go with my ‘91 steel Zullo with 11-speed Athena. Yeah, I need a steel Ritchey in my stable…
Very nice bike!
The only negative I heard about hammerhead is the poor battery life compared to the competition.
Interesting, my bike came equipped with a KMC chain and just recently switched to a Shimano chain. I can't tell a difference in the milage yet. It just feels like the Shimano chain runs and shifts smoother and quieter while the KMC one was a little noisier.
And just in case you missed my comment under your recent video about carbon wheels. I'm in the middle of the decision making process for a wheeler upgrade with a budget of 1000$ and your video really helped. On one side a budget/ entry level carbon wheelset like the Roval c38 and on the other side a more premium alloy wheelset like the DT swiss ER1400. And after taking everything into consideration including the points you made I'll go with the reasonable choice and buy the alloy wheels. They are actually cheaper and lighter and the only left on the plus side for the carbon wheels are the looks since I'm not so sure how much the aero benefits of a relatively shallow 40mm carbon rim would really matter.
So thanks for sharing your experience and keep going I'm sure the subscribers will come!
Wait! Are you saying I helped you choose an alloy shallow depth wheelset over a carbon deeper (40mm) wheelset?
FYI- DT Swiss makes great wheels too!!
The decision isn't final until I buy the wheels , but yes at the moment I would buy the alloy wheels.
My Road Logic is 17.5 w/ pedals and cages. Sram force, Bontager carbon wheels. it's pure fun!
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George, I agree with almost everything you said in this video. I live in Montreal and ride all year long including in the snow, so I have disc brakes and they are far superior on cold, wet and icy roads. Other than that, my Ritcheys are also my best riding bikes and I have CF, Aluminium and Ti frames. Love your Ritchey!
Hello Peter luckily we don’t get much rain here and we would find snow if we went to the mountains during our winter but that can really be dangerous - hitting black ice on a descent. Please be careful out there and stay warm!
I have them on my e-bike. My experience with disc brakes is that in cold winter conditions (I live where we have real winters) or muddy wet the brake pads deteriorate very very quick. Even quicker than good hard clinchers. After 200km they are gone. And they don't have any magically higher breaking power. The only thing they help with is the wear of the rim.
Yep, Have a 84 Ritchey Competition fillet brazed rim brake mountain bike. 22 pounds.
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Its a beauty George!
Thank you AE!
I agree with most of your opinion, which are not very popular.
Ha ha just because something is popular doesn’t make it right or better. Being a contrarian it’s usually popular. But when you know something is better You don’t need to seek approval or validation from those of popular opinion side
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George, you should do a retrogrouch review segment of viewers bikes!
I would contribute a few bikes and watch other people's rides
Hmm interesting idea. When you mention Retro Grouch that means the review would be looked at with a critical eye. Explain how your idea plays out.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad how about pics with description of our steel ride? Im thinking video would be complicated?
Wonderful!
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi George. Like you said, a bike should be simple. The new bikes appear sleek and simple but they're actually the opposite. They hide control systems that are increasingly complex and difficult to service.
The new bikes are truly deceptive. They are really good at hiding their complexity with clean and tidy integrated bars, and stems and internal cable routing but it’s not at all simple to work on for the home or the experienced shop mechanic.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad The Ritcheys are a great example of design for serviceability and longevity. There are no hard to source boutique parts. It is absolutely guaranteed that a lot of the spare parts needed to keep all these new bikes going will become v difficult to find in as little as 10 years. So, the cost to own is even higher than what we see up front. IDK. If I didn't have a bike and were deciding what to get, it would be a good steel frame, possibly used + Sora or Tiagra (9/10 speed is plenty) + a good set of alloy wheels. Pretty sure you could do that for < $2500. It would ride great, last a long time, be easy and inexpensive to maintain.
@@rodjonsson813 you’re right on the money!
Difficult is an understatement. They are impossible to service.
Thank you ❤ some good advice :)
Thank You for watching Jenni! I wanted to respond to you and tell you that I posted part 2. I couldn’t remember which video you had requested me to post it.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I had already scribed :) thank you
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Great video and I love steel although I don't currently own one I've ridden many. The only minor thing I noticed was that long rear skewer axle-lol. Back when I was racing I got a warning about that in bike tech as it can be bad in a crash to have exposed axle like that though I think it's pretty unlikely. Ever since then it's something that I notice though.
Ha ha good eye! Steel frames have thin dropouts. Carbon frames have big fat over built drops a few mms on each sides takes up a lot of that exposed axle on my carbon frames 😉
I've been looking out for one of these frames for a while, I need to replace a bent CAAD12, just not many of them in the UK and it seems that they pretty much stopped importing them during the pandemic. I'll keep looking.
The CAAD12 is a great bike as well. Sorry to hear it’s damaged.
Importing might be an issue but I also think production has main the main issue on availability worldwide.
That’s a beautiful bike
Thank You Leo!
Thanks for watching!
Hi George, Have you ever tried Campagnolo Record or Super Record groupsets? I have used Dura Ace 9000 and Ultegra R8000 and made the transition for my wife and I to Campagnolo. I found the shifting was more precise and quicker (especially under load). Plus Campagnolo has the 5 step upshift with one thumb swipe.
I’ve worked on hundreds of Campy bikes in over 20 years of wrenching on bikes and think their shifting is terrible compared to Shimano Dura-Ace R9100. I can’t understand for the life of me why anyone thinks Campy is worth putting on their bike. It is clunky, not precise, quirky and overpriced. Even just a chain replacement is a huge pain in the ass. I think people think it impresses me when they say “I have full Campy Record on my bike” the only thing I think when I hear that is “Oh I’m sorry”
The 5 step up shift is a non starter for me. When would you ever use that if you know how to shift properly in a pack on a descent down a mountain. Furthermore, the thumb shifter is horrible ergonomics. In fact it was used on the lowest end Shimano for a time and then they got rid of it.
But hey if you like it then more power to you.
The only benefit I see to Campy is they still have a 12 speed rim brake groupset that I might install on a bike in the future because it’s the last resort to have a rim brake groupset.
Just being honest here
My wife's and my bikes were equipped with Ultegra 9 speed. We progressively upgraded to Dura Ace 10 and then 11 speed. I used Ultegra R8000 on a secondary bike. My initial impression with Campagnolo was similar to your opinion: They seemed to have a less refined shifting, a bit clunky. However, I acquired a bike with Super Record 11 speed and used it for several months. I found it was very precise, discrete, and quick. However, when it came to swapping gear between bikes, I had to discard the Shimano method of shifting calibration and follow Campagnolo's methodology, which is not intuitive. Once I followed their directions, it was very simple and repeating the method on subsequent installations, I obtained excellent results quickly.
The other thing I noticed, Campagnolo does not need subsequent fine tuning. With Dura Ace or Ultegra, they require periodic tension adjustment.
Yes, most local shops charge high prices for Campagnolo. However, Velo Mine is reasonably priced and Bike24, Probikekit, and Starbike have very competitive prices and quick shipping. I agree, buying for snob appeal leads to poor choices. It is best to purchase based on objectivity.
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Is the Swiss Cross basically a Road Logic with longer, chainstays and a hair more tire clearance ?
What width are those 25cc GP5000s on the HED 21mm internal rims?
Pretty sure they measured 25 like the HED external of 25. I have 28’s on there now and measure those for you.
How are the 28 measuring? Thanks for getting back to me and for the great videos. Hello from Santa Monica!
You, sir, are the consummate retro grouch.
Thank You! I am proud of the label! I consider it an honor bestowed upon me. 😍
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Keep the flame alive! Hopefully one day I can visit your shop!
@@cehlers41 yes please!!
Beautiful bike!! 😍 My main ride is a Ritchey Ti Break Away with a very similar set up. Zipp SC Alu stem/ same bars/ Sram Etap Group for ease of reassembly though and I hand built some DT Swiss R460 Rim Brake wheels. 25mm conti GP 5k tires balloon up to 28mm there. *those HED rims are the bomb. I live in flatlandia (chicago) - Disc brakes don't benefit me at all here. 17lbs.
I won't bash your heretical reverse grip tape if you will accept my heretical mtb pedals.
OMG - my dream bike 😍😍😍 I want a Ti - Breakaway!! Very nice set-up Chris. Yep Etap or AXS rim brake would be ideal for Breakaway usage. Thank You for watching please consider subscribing
Yes, bikes should be simple. I usually ride with no more than an Allen key to adjust seatpost height, maybe a pump on real long rides in the countryside.
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Ritchey FTW!
Yes yes yes!
Thanks for watching Dale!!
great looking bike
Thank You!
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" Ok my bikes aren’t custom, but they’re based on proven geometry that has for me represented the thousands of bikes that I’ve made, so I feel like I’m in a much closer range to fit somebody [on one of my stock bikes] than a traditional carbon bike these days." - Tom Ritchey -
Mr Rodriguez - you win the internet today with 3 salient quotes from the man himself, Tom Ritchey!
Had two Serottas and use a Hammerhead computer. Love them both. You ever try the Hammerhead??
I haven’t had the pleasure of trying a Hammerhead computer. Tell me what you like about it? My go to computer is the Garmin 1040 Solar absolutely incredible battery life which I need as an Ultra cyclist.
If someone at Ritchey reads this: Please, bring this exact frame with Direct Mount brake mounts and pre-drilled holes for Di2 cables. Everything else is perfect.
My Ritchey review videos get decent reviews maybe I will come up on Ritchey’s radar 😊
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I really hope your channel grows, I really like your content! thanks and keep it up 👍
@@mk-yg7op thank you that is very kind of you! If and when you find a video worthy of sharing please do so. For now the channel needs the viewers ti help it grow.
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How much does this built up bike cost in total?
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I have Williams S30 alloys on my CAAD 9. They are very light. I really love them so far. What do you think of those? I think Williams was bought out a few years ago.
I don’t know anything about Williams. I do know back in 2012 or 2013 a friend of mine delaminated his Carbon Williams wheel 😢
Ouch! Mine are alloys. I think of Williams alloys as the same as Boyd Alloys.
I’m planning to vacation out there next year. I hope to visit your show… and maybe do a ride with you. :)
@@dsonyay wonderful keep me posted!
I agree with you today’s bikes are over rated. Beautiful Ritchey bike
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I quickly discovered that these wheels require pressure that's incompatible with riding tubes. I am now around 85 kilos and it says 5 bars at the max, which is below the pinch-flat safety treshhold of 5.5 for my at the front and 7 at the back. Very intresting choice, considering you hating on the tubess, which these wheels are intented to. Also, no big surprize no one is using this braking surface on any other wheels - it will eat your brake pads in no time. One could as well glue some sandpaper on their rims. And for what, being better in the rain you never ride during? Very intresting indeed.
Hmm interesting comments you made very interesting indeed Dan.
and this comment was just made by another viewer "@WilliamBoike • 1 day ago
"After I bought my Pinarello 10+ years ago I replaced the Fulcrum wheels for a pair of Hed Ardennes rims. The wheels are still like new, and braking is excellent especially with the aid of the Campy rim brakes." so I guess William made and very interesting choice indeed as well -- which worked out for him too!
I agree with you about kmc chains, I find them better than scram or Shimano. Not sure about wrapping the tape from the top, that's a bit odd, doesn't it mess up where your hands sit behind the hoods?
Hello Hector! I wrap this way so that I don’t have to use the hideous black electrical tape every bike shop mechanic on the planet uses when they terminate the wrap at the stem. This top down technique makes for a super clean and tidy install and no issues behind the hoods. I actually don’t understand what would be an issue just because it’s wrapped this way. But I have wrapped thousands of handlebars this way for years.
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Love it!!! With the wheels and the textured brake track - do they eat the brake pads faster than a smooth brake track? How do they compare in terms of braking performance to smooth track rims?
Hello J from the HED CYCLING
“Compared to other rim brake wheels on the market, HED’s Turbine Braking Technology produces 25% shorter stopping distances in dry conditions and 70% shorter stopping distances in wet conditions. Read that again. Our all-black, textured alloy brake track, seamlessly matched to a hyper-aero carbon rim section, give you all-around riding performance with none of the concerns of carbon braking surfaces.”
They are better than smooth alloy as well but I don’t have a measurement to give you. I don’t feel I go through standard brake pads any faster but even if they wore out faster they are very affordable anyway fewer than $10 retail
I'm not sold on rim brake at all. I don't like the modulation with carbon rims. I had yellow prince pads on a Mavic carbon rim, and the braking left a lot to be desired.
Edit: nice bike, and the wheels look very promising. I'd rock those over carbon hoops. I didn't know this tech exists.
Correct! That’s why I don’t ride carbon rims. In the dry they suck in the wet they are downright dangerous! Alloy wheels for rim brake. Carbon wheels for disc
What is the deal with the where the seat stays join the seat tube? Is that welded or is there some sort of bolt there?
The seat stays are welded to the seat tube. The seatpost bolt is in the same location as well
Is the cassette Ultegra 11-32? Dura-Ace shows only 11-30. Thanks
I said in the video that this cassette is the same weight or close enough to Dura-Ace 11-28 but it’s 11-32 so there is no way Ultegra 11-32 would be lighter than Dura-Ace 11-28 😜
@@proh26 correct!
Friends do not believe me that descending fast on steel fork feels so much safer than carbon fork! Tire is glued to the road, no jumping on bad surface like on carbon. You need wider tire and very low pressure to get similiar feeling on carbon, but than it feels slow.
I know! I get accused of being a Retro Grouch. It’s really really hard to explain to people that fork technology from 50 years ago is better than the $12K bike they are riding today. It’s inconceivable to them and they also get butt hurt when you sit on their wheel or out descend them on a steel bike with a steel fork 🤣
Send them my video with the time stamp - since there is no way they will watch an entire video on steel bikes 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Friend finished the new bike few minutes ago, Koga Miyata Road Winner steel frame from 1991, NOS, 105 R7000 groupset and Fulcrum Zero wheels. It looks beautiful and will ride so nice, can't wait for better weather to go on first ride.
@@stibra101 ahhh I wonder why I got an email with those photos! Niice!
Can a Logic be adjusted for a more upright riding position? Trying to get a more all day bike and I want a Ritchey.
I’m not sure how much you would want to adjust for a “more upright riding position” what do you consider “an all day bike” qualify these two comments for me please
Hi George, an all day bike would lessen the pressure on my upper body as I lean forward to the bars, I know a typical answer would be to get a Specialized Roubaix, but I would like something unique like a Ritchey steel frame. Seems like the Outback has that more relaxed frame geometry but it designed for gravel and bike packing. I still want to run skinny road tires like a 25mm which would probably not look good on an Outback.
@@jesseg8920 hello Jesse Thank You for expounding on your needs. Depending on the size I think the Road Logic headtube gives generous height relative to race bikes but a little shorter than “Endurance” bikes. Personally I dislike the endurance bike moniker.
I ride a 55cm Ritchey it has a 160mm headtube. My Bianchi XR4 55cm has a 140cm. If you zoom in on this Ritchey I have cut the steerer tube because I never intended to ride 200 plus milers on it. But if you put 3cm of spacers and a little rise on your stem you will have a fairly tall handlebar placement without going full Roubaix 🤣🤣
DISCLAIMER: this is not sizing or fitting advice. I’m just making generalize statements, a bike set up.
We could chat on a 1 to 1 consultation to assess which frame size might work best for you and stem/spacer set up.
Here are the Stack and reach for the 3 bikes mentioned in this thread in a 55cm or equivalent
Stack and reach
Road Logic 568 and 395
Outback 587 and 390
XR4 541 and 390
@@jesseg8920 I did a video of my set-up on the Ritchey for a 400km 250 miler with 10,000 ft of gain check out this video.
Also I have an event recap in the works about how the bike felt for 16 hours. Please like and subscribe and hit that notifications 🔔 so you know when it goes live
Thanks for the dialogue JesseG!
My Road to PBP - Episode 3 - 400km Brevet bike set-up (250 mi 10k ft) #RoadToPBP
ua-cam.com/video/aTYk-5yI8z0/v-deo.html
George, thank you for the entire explanation of the difference, I like the Logic so I want to make it work. I don’t plan to do 200 miles at once, I just want as comfortable a ride as possible for up to 100 miles max but typically a 40 miles ride. Really appreciate you explaining everything.
Great suggestions. I’d also feel safer buying a used steel frame rather than a carbon. You could get a Stinner custom built steel frame for far less…
At yes! I’m familiar with Stinner frames. Very similar design to the classic way of building frames. My only objection to the design is the oversized headset/headtube. The fork (1” steel being the benchmark) is the most important component to beginning the ride quality experience for the rider. Next 1 1/8” because they had to go carbon would be acceptable. But once you go above 1 1/8” headset it becomes too stiff even in steel. But other than that when Ritchey Road Logics rim brake are no longer made then this will be a great substitute
How did you do the sticker with the flag and your name? I want to do that too for my bikes.
They were a gift. But I have seen ads come up on my Facebook/Instagram feed. Apologies I don’t have a link for you.
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Hey George, love the steel bike! I hear those Favero pedals add a good bit of Q factor to the bike (50mm or something). Is this true ? And did it take you much time to get used to?
Thank you!
Nonsense! Where did you hear that?!?!?!
Are you sure you are not talking about the Shimano version? You will NEVER notice it anyway. Why do people worry about insignificant things? Because some UA-camr made a fuss about something so minor?
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Thanks ! I’ve been looking into pedal based power meters vs crank based to up my training game. I have a couple bikes and I like the idea of just switching the pedals.
@@CD-W0DOS I’ve had many power meter since 2003 these are the most practical I’ve ever had.
that frame would look so good with campa and campa wheels 😍...jes I should stop watching..aleady have 2 bikes 🤣
Negative! Campagnolo is for posers not for people who really ride bikes. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad so true 🤣✌️
Interested in the logic for my next frame, I'm on a 2016 fuji sl at the moment.
I did 125 mile ride on my Ritchey yesterday - surrounded by carbon bikes with aero wheels electronic shifting and disc brakes - I had no trouble setting the pace and dropping folks throughout the ride 😉
strava.app.link/jk4MVEvpZwb
I just noticed you’re in LA. In flat terrain where you live weight is completely irrelevant. It doesn’t matter anyway but especially so in flat terrain where you ride. A steel bike will give you incredible ride quality. Please build it with alloy wheels though, carbon rim brake wheels offer terrible braking in the dry and downright dangerous in the wet. Additionally, longer spokes offer better ride quality than carbon wheels with shorter spokes.
Lastly, I noticed you liked a photo of a climbing ride I did on the Ritchey. One of many many of the 10,000 ft climbing days I’ve done on that Ritchey. In other words it’s great in flat terrain like yesterday’s 125 miler with only 5,000 ft or an all day climbing day.
This is the video from that day
REV Rides Episode #1 San Bernardino (1300 elevation) to Onyx Summit (8443 elevation)
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yeah I love the old school look.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad will be in the market later this year for a 49cm frameset(preferably used if possible)
@@justindixon11 old school has it’s benefits- ease of build and service and lack of proprietary parts -external cables and housing so you can always inspect the material condition of your cables and so on
you don't ride with radar?
No F#%^*ing way! That is the dumbest thing ever invented and sold to cyclists. There is ALWAYS a car coming. That’s my radar 😉🤣😂🤣
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad curious about those HED Ardennes braking surface. Do you feel/think it provides better stopping power than normal alloy surface? Does it scratch and show silver streak from road debri?
@@openwheelracing88 yes superior braking power to standard alloy. Vastly superior to carbon. Keep in mind Disc brake road bikes were created because of goofy people riding carbon wheels. They have terrible braking performance in the dry and dangerous in the wet.
Oh please: Take a flex grinder and shorten the wheel spindle. It's a 5 min job.
Nope not important! Besides these skewers/wheels are moved around to my other 10 bikes with various thickness in dropouts. Come on stay on topic 😉
A rim brake is a 700mm disc brake....😃
622 actually but yes we are of the same mind 😊
Another thing that makes me laugh is "better feel" when referring to disc brake.
You're telling me there's better feel on your fingers where the physical connection of brake pad on rotor is transferred via FLUID?
Versus the connection of brake pad on rim brake track is transferred by a SOLID WIRE.
Yeah... sure bud.
(Coming from someone who's had 1xSram 2xDuraAce disc brake bikes)
Yep people have been brainwashed with this "disc brakes are better" nonsense
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Been subbed for months! Love your videos George.
@@8rk Thank You thank you G E!!
Makes a bit of a mockery of the so called disc superbikes 🤣🤣🤣
That was the point 😂
yeah, that's oldskool, but it's sweet...
Thank You for watching Sean! Sometimes old skool is best.
The braking on my rim brake bike is limited to the traction of the 25mm tires, never had a want or need for more braking power on a road bike
That is correct! It will always come down to tire traction on the road. Loose over hard, sand in a corner, wet roads, wet painted lines and disc brakes Work great on a mountain bike because it is such a big fat tire. disc brakes on a road bike are limited by the small, narrow road bike tire even if you ride 32 mm or more
Your the only person I've heard say it , love disc brakes on my mountain bike and even my cyclocross bike, have no interest in riding road with hydraulic disc brakes