@@letgo5491 READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!". Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc. Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!! I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide. Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking. When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911. You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
with the words they say and how they express themselves I agree, it seems they do not, but when they talk about there and going to be physical, theres something to be said about that. I am far from the gym type of person, and rarely have worked out, but when you can physically exhaust yourself, from my experience it can take you away from that darker day, and provide a moment of something else. Ive told a person or two just go exhaust your body, and your mind can atleast take a break
@@prettyuglysupernovarudegur2310 READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!". Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc. Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!! I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide. Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking. When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911. You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
This convo illustrates perfectly how people don't understand mental illness and depression. If it was a broken leg and you could see the pain and injury, then it would seem real. People still don't seem to think that mental illness is real, because they can't see it.
...and people don't see the brain as just another bodily organ. People refer to their brain as 'ME', rather than 'the brain' or 'my brain'. When we dissociate ourselves from our brain? We realise that depression is just an illness of a bodily organ. However, as this is the most important organ of the body, we fail to see how it can literally turn against the body, or just start to break down through an inability to cope with the demands being placed on it. Just as a liver breaks down from the constant need to filter alcohol and other toxins; just as the heart breaks down when it's arteries become so clogged it can no longer find the strength to push blood through it's clogged 'pipes'; just as the lungs fail when they can no longer sustain the entire body's required oxygen levels with half a lung (as it has been clogged with foreign substances). The brain, either through trauma; overuse (that is, over thinking) and the constant injection of adrenaline from worrying too much (really is just an extension of thinking too much), can no longer find the answers, or choose the appropriate response for any given scenario, so it either just defaults to 'adrenaline' in any situation that it sees as out-of-the-ordinary, or it just starts to sit quietly in the corner, not knowing what to do ; the dreaded numbness. Either way? It knows its failing the body, but has no idea how to deal with the demand being placed onto it every day. When you look at the brain as just another organ of the body, and not as 'ME' so-to-speak, mental illness is easier to understand. The whole use of language around mental illness needs to change.
Having once tried to kill myself, I think that Rogan is more-or-less on point. Here's an article on this subject: thebrainflux.com/exercise-reduces-suicidal-tendencies/
Spoonwood agreed, it is evidence based. Depression sux, and there is no quick cure but you have to increase your brain’s neuroplasticity and stress tolerance. Exercise, whole food diet with fasting, natural sunlight, avoiding artificial light at night, avoiding drugs and alcohol are all helpful over time and is scientifically proven.
I don't normally comment on anything, but I would like to share something and I hope Joe or someone in his staff gets to read it. To understand depression you have to experience it, there's no other way, unfortunately. I have had bipolar depression type 2 since I was a teen, I was very active, loved music, played some instruments and pursued a career as a singer, got some success and after that lost everything I fought for. I'm always tired, I don't enjoy anything anymore, I'm always in pain, lost my confidence and the love for pretty much anything that used to give me life and pleasure. The struggle is there almost every day, almost every day i have suicidal thoughts and I have to find a reason to keep on living, and it's not easy because this state of mind does not allow you to value what you have or possess, it just keeps reminding you about what lacks inside of you over and over again... there's no drive, no ambition, no motivation, there's no fire burning anymore. There's moments when you feel there's a light at the end of the tunnel and just right after that, disappointment hits you like a truck full of bricks and it feels like your own mind is trying to deceive you, like some sort of self sabotage. That would be my short way of describing depression for you, at least in my experience. Suicide is not the rational answer to depression, but to some people is the only way out of the prison of their minds.
Erick Mendoza Well said. If you only had strenght, you could move mountains but when you are ill, you can not do a thing. I feel for you. I feel for anyone who is struggling with mental issues. I've been there, I don't think it never goes away but I have learnt to live with it. It takes a lot to approve of yourself as you are, accept your illness, trying to cope with that. If it was easy, we should not even talk about depression. It's one thing being down than suffering depression. One thing people should know is that even if you have never be in that dark place, you could imazine what it's like when you have no light in your life. Chris Cornell, Rest in Peace.
Erick Mendoza oh shut the fuck up.. cry baby. no ones reading that.. go write an essay on toilet paper, coz its shit. these guys are just having a normal convo dipshit
LUF LUOS Obviously his comment is a lot more interesting than yours. Why don't you go and find a new hobby since you have nothing to say. I know your lips are moving but that's not enough.
Unless you've had clinical depression or severe depression you can't grasp the pain of it. Rich people get depression. Poor people get depression. The guy down the street gets it. Kurt Cobain had it. Its not a logical disease. It makes your brain try to kill you. Like cancer some people survive and some people don't. People still treat suicide like it's a real choice and it isn't. I'm not a doctor but I have first hand life experience with it. Depression is a total beast of an illness and condition. Joe Rogan is saying he's felt shitty himself. Then went to the gym and felt better. That's miles away from what serious depression is. Although exercise can help some people.
thanks for recognizing this dude. it’s almost demoralizing to those who deal with those thoughts to hear people who don’t understand preach about it like they have some simple answer. nothing about it is simple as you perfectly said.
One reason poor people don't commit suicide more than rich people is because poor families are centered more towards the family as a whole not just the individual.
You don't know Manic-Depression well, then. Again though, I call bullshit. There is no 'can't' in that context. A friend of my family lost both her daughters and faced heavy depression herself, she had to force herself to get moving but she did, and now regularly run 5ks. Your mental state, your emotions, they don't absolve you of your responsibility over your own actions or lack thereof.
Yep, some people can dig themselves out of it, some can't. Just because some people can, doesn't mean everyone can. I know bipolar enough to know it's different than clinical depression (actually that term isn't even used anymore - it's major depressive disorder). Apparently you don't. It's why they have different names, and different ICD 10 codes. They aren't the same thing at all. Apples and oranges. It's silly and ignorant to pretend they're the same, just like it's silly ignorant to think that because someone who suffered great tragedy forced herself to "get moving," everyone else can. People who say "man up and get yourself moving" to someone with major depressive disorder are one reason why so many with that disease kill themselves. The rate of suicide in bi-polar people is miniscule compared to those with major depressive disorder. Educate yourself before you judge, please, or you're going to kill someone someday with your ignorant bullshit.
OMG I didn't even see the second part of your post, which is one of the stupidest things I've ever read in my life. You do know that both bi-polar and major depressive disorder are physiological, right? Please tell me you don't actually, because I'd rather you were ignorant than evil.
I first started listening to Chris Cornell in January this year. I was hooked instantly. I've battled with depression since I was eight and when I heard Chris Cornell his music evoked this feeling in me that was all to familiar that I think only people who do struggle with that empty swallowing feeling in the middle of their chest which I call soul break. But he also evoked hope from that. I was struggling to define this feeling that his music evoked in me and when I heard he killed himself it all became clear. He was not alone. His pain is universal.
I think his depression is part of what made him a great musician. Most people don’t experience the extreme lows that Cornell experienced. I myself am Bipolar and I’m no stranger to depression and suicidal thoughts. All my hobbies become meaningless and it’s gotten so bad at times that I’ve thought that not even God can save me. My guitars collect dust, I stop working out, I stop taking calls etc. The thing that helps me the most is prayer and staying in a routine. Making sure I shave and wear clean clothes and at the end of a bad day I at least make sure I brush my teeth before bed.
@No One you mask your truth because it is easier to understand, it is more fathomable to go with. It is put into your head only because they want you to think that. Read this comment and just sit and think about some things taht your indecisive about, and tell me that me and all the other people are muppets, tell us that were muppets for believing something that isnt what the media portrays. Ps: muppets are awesome, your thinking of puppet.
"The Pinnacle of fame, The Pinnacle of money...". And that asinine statement shows how UTTERLY worthless both those are to happiness and proves what's wrong with our culture.
Couldn't agree more. OMG have no respect for these 2 tools. Yeah, everyone wants to be rich and famous but I think a lot of these guys who were in that situation would trade that for being right in the mind. NOBODY, can comment on mental health if they haven't had these issues. Smug assholes like this think they can comment on it. "You have to struggle." The struggle is real with them. One they deal with every day of their life its just one you can't understand.
You know what.. I'll be the first to say it: "FUCK CHRIS". I love his music and his amazing voice yada yada.. been a fan forever since the beginning yada FUCKING yada. But guess what?? Who wants to be famous to begin with? Egotestical mother fuckers that I fucking hate. The same people that most of us depressed idiots fucking hate. So yea, FUCK CHRIS. I guess he got what was coming to him. He signed the contract. People need to stop feeling sorry for him. Feeling sorry for anyone is a major weakness and just plain douche-baggery.
+TAG No one writes and performs music for decades because they want to be famous. They do it because they have a passion for music and they want to create it and share it. He doesn't strike me as egotistical at all, but more of an introverted musician who was forced into fame by virtue of his incredible talent. Fuck you for ignorantly denigrating the deceased.
I survived my downward spiral... though I'm still here, it doesn't mean I wasn't thinking of clever ways to end myself -- suicide by cops seemed legit. Nevertheless, I did pick up several hobbies, it was almost like a quarter life crisis, but I knew i was driven by depression considering how much I lost, and how despondent I felt at the time. You know what helped me embrace the darkness and cope with life? Nine Inch Nails; music saves... It was the sense of relation and solidarity that saw me through. I hope anyone reading this who feels undermined by despair will take heed to my message. Music saves...
Honestly, you know all those people with skin cancer? Yeah they should've went out into the sun more, maybe then their skin would've been more resistant and they would've never gotten skin cancer. They probably need more sun right now, maybe it'll help them feel better.
I have suffered from depression for years and survived my own suicide attempt. I have been on anti depressants for a decade now and I can say that messing with the doses more or less as Chris did, effects people differently but the change can be extreme. I tried to go cold turkey from my medication and I felt like I was drunk and panicking for 2 weeks straight, I wanted to die again because my body couldn't produce the serotonin itself yet. Taking too much can be scary too. I don't know where Chris's life was at, how he was struggling but I know it is possible to believe that death will be what makes everything better. When you believe that, then death becomes your goal to strive for because life has become the hell, and death feels like it could bring release, rest and relief. I'm happy to say I'm glad I didn't die, today I'm married, have a career and enjoy my life again, but still struggle, I've just decided to fight till the end. That's actually why I love UFC and relate to it and martial arts. I also loved Chris Cornell and felt like losing him was losing a brother.. RIP Chris. If you're struggling with depression, believe it will get better, don't be ashamed if you need a medication, and don't believe that death will bring you the relief you need, seek help, there's more than help available than we realize.
Great reply! I didn't even know he took antidepressants or maybe he did in the past. I take them and Seroquel. They don't stop my manic highs and lows. They only lessen the intensity and duration of episodes. Psychtropic meds are sadly in its embroyonic stages as far as TRULY being effective. Basically in this day in age, they do very little for practically every single person I have spoken to who takes them. So sad...but it's worth a try. I take them anyway.
tim jim I think that you are misunderstanding what he was saying he said he does not know how it feels to feel that depressed him and his radio host his guest both said that they cannot relate. everything that they are saying is conjecture they know that and they stated that from the beginning of the podcast . they or both working pretty hard to empathize and try to understand what the f*** happened. they're not saying that they have all the f****** answers and so for you to say that they are ignorant shows what a f****** moron you are
Yes and no for me. I treat this professionally, and they're not wrong. Exercise is a huge protective factor against depression, but most struggling with depression are so far beyond having the motivation to do so. Kind of like telling an addict to just stop using. It's not wrong. It's just not helpful either for the person that far in.
I will say he and his guests usually miss the mark on mental health in general, addiction being a big one. Big Doug Stanhope fan, but he understands very little about addiction as well. But that's why he does standup, and we do therapy.
Depression takes over your brain and you are not you anymore. It’s a chemical reaction in your brain that you or even medication sometimes cannot help. I am sure they don’t intend to , but these two are doing an incredible disservice to people with depression. They don’t understand that you can have the world - a happy marriage and friends, millions of dollars, whatever, but an evil monster has taken over your brain and the mental pain is unbearable. These guys are talking about people being sad because something really bad happened to them. That’s not chemical depression or Major Depression as it is properly named. am writing this as I listen to them and it’s making me angry and sad because they don’t know what they are talking about in the least. But it’s not just them, it’s a lot of people. This is the issue with depression- you don’t know what it is unless you experience it. Alcohol and. drugs are just forms of self medication for depression, they do not cause the depression.
I think he’s just trying to say he can’t understand that view point because from what he looks like he doesn’t have many mental problems, if you don’t have depression or any other mental illness you really can’t understand what it’s like for a person who does have it.
Love you Chris. You wrote and performed some of the greatest music. With everything you went through, you made it to 52 in spite of severe anxiety and depression. RIP
Depression is a state of mind, not an emotion (like being sad). It's not a reactionary thing, like I feel sad because of x & y. I'm hopeless because I dont have anything else. You can be completely logical and rational, and know these things - and depression will always kick you down, and drown you. I think people need to start viewing depression as a physical thing. Since it doesn''t seem most people get it. Instead of thinking of Depression as an emotion - imagine its someone taking a bat to your knee every day. Someone taking a drill, and drilling your fingers. Someone taking a needle and poking your brain over and over. This is suffering. It's actually suffering. It's like someone dunking your head under water, and letting you back up. You are suffocating. When you understand that Depression is actual suffering, then you start to understand why some people decide to kill themselves. To just check out. Because they don't want to endure the pain anymore. It's not the same kind of pain that normal people suffer. The problem is, most people that are "normal" are not able to comprehend Depression, and what it's like. It's like someone that has autism, and how it completely changes their perception and how they see the world. As someone that is normal, you can't comprehend that. I think Joe's advice about dedicating your life to something that you suck at, or something like working out (which is a constant struggle and requires discipline) - is actually a good one. Because things like that can sometimes help those depressed. But sometimes a distraction like that, won't do jack shit, for someone that is depressed. I would have thought that Joe Rogan would understand this, since he seems to know a lot about "perception" and how much altering your mind, can change the way your actually experience the world. He's talked about this before with drugs. Now imagine someone that is depressed, and how much that actually alters the way they experience the world. So yeah, everyone that says "how could he do this". He's "so selfish". Cornell had "money, a hot wife, children, fame, was the best singer, why would someone that has everything do this". Again, while I get why people think this way, they are way off. Depression is something that completely takes over your mind, your feelings, and the way you see the world. It doesn't matter how rich you are, how famous you are. How good you are things. None of that matters. Also to those conspiracy people out there, those that are about to kill themselves OFTEN show no signs they are depressed. In fact, often those that have decided to kill themselves, they show signs of extreme happiness and optimism. They will talk about future plans, and how excited they are.The reason for this is, depressed people feel "elated" when they have decided to end things, because they feel a huge weight off their shoulders. And since they know it's going to be their last time, they say things to make others happy, and to make themselves feel happy in the moment. So it's like they are living off a high. So for Cornell, it's the fact that he's playing with his old band. That he's playing among fans that love him. That he's going to see fans at a future concert. He's living in the moment, and living off that high. This is actually not that uncommon. So if you know someone that is depressed, and they are suddenly happier then usual (they show signs of elation, and optimism) - and it's like a light has been switched on, these might be signs that they have decided to kill themselves, or are leaning towards doing so. Far too often, I see people say "well they were so happy, I don't believe they would do this". But people just aren't informed on this. It's again, pretty common.
People, like Joe, who've got great lives have no comprehension of waking up and feeling like shit. The common response is, "well, change your life then" like that's as easy to others as it is for them.
Agreed. I lift weights in the morning... after my heart stops racing and I get the energy to get dressed. I don't want to feel this way. I don't want to wake up with negative thoughts and the feeling that there's lead on my chest. Exercise does help me to an extent. I've learned various meditation mindfulness and breathing techniques from professional counseling. Joe saying "I've felt like shit and worked out and felt better. WOO!" is bullshit. I do agree that being trapped in your mind fans the flames, but reducing it to swinging a kettle bell around is pathetic.
I Had Depression, and i Changed my Life completely. Changed my diet completely, working Out Every day, Meditation etc. and surprise. It worked. Of course IT IS Not getting better If you dont Change anything.
@@medienmitmarius278It’s probably because you don’t have clinical depression. With Clinical Depression it’s completely different. You won’t understand it if you don’t suffer through it and it doesn’t sound like you were ever diagnosed with Clinical Depression. I’ve been diagnosed with CD and it fucking sucks. It makes life a living hell, I’ve tried so many ways to change my life to make myself happier, but with Clinical Depression, it just doesn’t work like that. To TRY and heal my pain, I have coping strategies and that’s it. You just won’t understand that and it’s disrespectful to say to a Clinically Depressed person that you can change your lifestyle and it will go the fuck away: With Clinical Depression, it doesn’t exactly go away so. It sucks. so much. Everyday.
@@raingirlcat2245 Stfu depression is depression ...your depression isnt worse than a fat white kid who lost his twinkie in a corn field. Its how you handle it. How the fuck are you gonna say somebody elses depression wasnt that bad? You must be a mind-reading A-hole.
Depression is untouched by exercise, diet, friends, family, everything. I've tried it all, and here I sit, so close to giving up. I don't want pity, I just want people who are normal to appreciate it. I've fought for so long and now I'm accepting that this is the hand I was dealt. I've tried medication, meditation, exercise, eating healthy, you name it but no matter what I can't shake it. I know exactly why Chris did it. You can only fight for so long before you give up...
This isn't true. Unless you are inclined to believe in more spirtual/religous, metaphysical, or other not wholly physical & embodied reasons for depression or other cognitive-psychological-behavioral-emotional illness/disorders
Bro, are you still ok? I promise I would have tried to help you some way if I saw this comment 5 years ago when I didn’t even got it yet. Now as I see it, please reply for me to check if you are ok. You are cared for I promise✊🏻
"The pain of severe depression is quite unimaginable to those who have not suffered it, and it kills in many instances simply because its anguish can no longer be borne. The prevention of many suicides will continue to be hindered until there is a general awareness of the nature of this pain." -William Styron, 'Darkness Visible'
Very true. Unless you’ve experienced a severe and frightening depression then you will never understand it. Joe means well but but when a persons not sleeping and can barely get out of bed a gym session isn’t gonna lift it. I’ve done a ton of walking and still low
i didn't know that man. Anxiety is really horrible. It's like bombarded with negative thoughts against your will all day/night. During the day you just lose your mood to do anything, and at night you can't sleep and feel guilty about shit you've done in an exagerrated way. RIP Chris.
maybe the money and family couldn't even stop chris from commiting suicide. goes to show mental/psychological issues shouldnt be taken lightly. for both men and women, young and old. who knows before he died, he tried reaching out and all people could tell him was 'get a different hobby' or 'get good at something'.
Carlos Parra I didn't put them in any particular order for any reason, you're right family should have been first. I know I'm fine with not being rich because I have a (small) but loving family.
Hell is nothing more than the stick in your "carrot and stick" religion. If the donkey doesn't take the carrot(heaven), beat it with the stick. Good thing there's no reason whatsoever to believe either are anything more than the rambling mental masturbations of iron age desert dwellers.
Mr. Marchant I seriously think there's no real hope for people who are diagnosed with anxiety and depression. It's always only a matter of time before they kill themselves.
I love his podcast but he has no idea what he's talking about. Dealing with shit is one thing, depression is something you can't just distract with a gym membership.
'The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.' -David Foster Wallace
@@letgo5491 READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!". Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc. Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!! I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide. Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking. When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911. You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
I think he has an idea. He got very nervous when challenged to step outside of the narrative into the danger zone. You can just feel his fear right here. I swear, they got to him. ua-cam.com/video/6yDOVGr4j14/v-deo.html Seems like they have also forced him away from AJ.
Far beyond a grunge star. I could play his music around my grandparents and would hear them say "who is this? It's quite beautiful." He was an extraordinary musician, vocally, but for me more for his unprecedented lyrics and ability to tell a story. No other individual musician has touched me in the way he has. To see his solo shows was to see a talent way beyond a mere 'rock front man'; instead you were entering an experience that only a few people have the ability to do. Truly extraordinary.
Thanks Joe, I'm 20 and I've slowly been realizing this about struggle for the first time. helping my brother out working on cars has been helping. I'm actually sober now.
The comment below which Joe made is so fucking ridiculous. I know he stated several times that he doesnt understand what drives someone to commit suicide, but he followed that up by saying: "For some people out there who aren't feeling good. Man. If you just fucking struggled more....you get over that struggle.....you feel better. It sounds so simplistic but I swear by it. I felt shitty myself, then forced myself to work out and after I get out of there I'm like......WOOOOOH! I feel FUCKING great!!!" This is how almost all healthy minded (non suicidal/deeply depressed) people approach suicide. They have no fucking clue what it feels like to be weighed down by severe depression and suicidal thoughts. To think that a hobby, exercise or a "struggle" will make you "feel fucking great", is absurd to say the least. I know I'm stating the obvious here, but I feel like it must be said after listening to Joe and Jocko. If you've never had to deal with a mental disorder, you will never understand how it effects your life. And when you tell a suicidal person to get a hobby or go exercise to pull yourself out of depression..........you sound like a fucking asshole! Yes, that shit can help a healthy person who is just feeling a little down and out. But feeling a little down is nothing like living under the weight of severe depression with thoughts of killing yourself.
Thank you for your response. I totally agree. And as for struggle? Cornell was born into a family where his mother and father didn't even like each other and, I think, only got married because his mother got pregnant. He had many brothers and sisters because he was Irish Catholic; his father had no connection with him whatsoever, and never had anything nice to say to him, or offered any guidance on how to be a man...and he openly admitted to Stern that his father would have "without doubt", thought he was a "major fuck up" as a kid and as an adult. There was no falling out between he and his father, he simply just ceased to stay in contact with him, and his father never bothered to make contact either, in Cornell's opinion? Because he would have seen it as his kid's responsibility to remain in contact after he had raised them,. Even though his father merely earned the money and did NOTHING else by way of being a father. He also added that his father would have just written him off as his "loser kid" and got on with his life. Cornell openly admitted that he doesn't miss his father because he never really had a father per se. As a result? He had no self-esteem and had bad relationships with women (he was never violent or aggressive, but perhaps too submissive and not able to stand-up-for-himself)...one of whom tried to kill him with a knife. If that's not a pretty hard beginning to life? I don't' know what is. Depression is not about hard knocks, it's about an illness of the brain - and macho men like Rogan just don't get it and continue to perpetuate the myth that depression and suicide it just weak-mindedness. Christ it's 2017 and there are still people that believe that?
LJY08 I really appreciate your insight and the info about Chris Cornell's family dynamic. He and I are born the same year. Many differences though. I'm a black Canadian woman. Not heavily into Grunge when it was current but always completely taken with the voices of Chris Cornell and Eddie Vedder. Had a huuuge crush on Chris. I've had a couple weeks here and a couple weeks there in my life of feeling down and out but it was basically episodic. Something happened to bring me down. It would be disrespectful of me to say I understand depression. My belief in God helps me in struggle a lot, but we are all different. Thanks again for your comment. Really cogent. Peace
Well-said. And I don't think either of them can imagine how your mind becoms poison thus turning your biggest asset into your biggest, most persistent near-unconquerable enemy. It seems one of the reasons Jung was such an advocate of trying to learn as much as you could from "The Shadow Persona" Maybe they'd both understand if you said Jocko would have to fight a 35 year-old Richard Marcinko & Joe would have to fight an angry Matt Hughes, 16 hours a day, every day, for the rest of their lives, until they started taking serious meds. Joe probably should have just called an expert, asked simple questions and then just listened.
Healthtrekke - YES! The operative word? LISTEN! Shut up if you don't understand and listen to those who DO know what they're talking about. The problem is that people who have never experienced depression, at least, not as part of their 'human condition', have no concept of what it is and how it affects your life. They also have no concept of the damage they do when they say stupid shit like what is being said here. Rogan seems to think he's some kind of new-age philosopher who 'gets it', and feels it necessary to share his views on everything, no matter how biased, uneducated or destructive those views may be. He gets it wrong so often, but seems to think he's being edgy and controversial on issues that were dealt with some 30 years ago. He's the typical 'white-man' who thinks he's unleashing a revolution, but that's only because he has no grasp of history and doesn't realise that this is just rehashing old ground...ground we thought we were well on the way of moving away from at least 20 years ago. He's presenting arguments and standpoints that were debunked and destroyed decades ago through vast scholarship and activism, and he regurgitates it as if it's some kind of fresh outlook on how the world works. No! It's just a rehashing of what came before, what didn't work, and what people rebelled against to make a more equal and cohesive world. I mean, seriously, this is shit that was on the way to done-and-dusted 20 years ago, but is now being presented as some kind of stance against PC culture. It's utterly pathetic, and it's only white men chanting the mantra that PC culture is the problem...that speaks volumes, doesn't it? It's truly hard not to just see him as a knuckle-head with an attitude in this segment. He's lost any remaining respect I had for him. He's an ego-maniacal, self-important, willful ignoramus.
Its funny bc there is actually research on this (weight exercise) and it doesnt work with mdd and bipolar im not sure about anything else but not with these to. U can find it on google scholar
Right? As if the genius that was chris Cornell who often played with his kids and exercised, needed to swing a kettlebell and get buffed to be cured from depression etc. If that were the answer we should prescribe it. Neither of this men seem to have ever heard chris Cornell speak in terms of these subjects and in terms of life relating to psychology and philosophically. They just see a singer and didn’t do their home work
I don't understand how people can NOT be suicidal. What the fuck is the point of getting up at 3:30 when one feels like garbage all the time? Why exercise? Why do anything? People with normal brain chemistry who say they could "never understand" suicide fucking annoy me
@Jackstorm777 ... as Rich Piana said, the brain chemistry theory of depression is pseudoscientific bullshit. It amazes me how easily the pharmaceutical industry is has literally poisoned millions of people's minds. Their marketing team implanted the idea (pseudoscientific lie) in your brain that you were a hopeless and defective human because of a "chemical imbalance". And like a good little slave, you went to your therapist and they sold you on the $100/hr therapy and the $3k/year pill subscription plan. They sold you the same way that they sell Toyota Corolla's, Disney Vacation packages, and Chia Pets --> lies and manipulations. The difference is that instead of giving the corporation $100, $1,000, or $10,000 - you handed them your life. You handed them a piece of yourself that is very hard to take back. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy really. They manipulate you into believing the lie that you were born "imbalanced". Then you give up any sense of hope and accountability for your own actions because you have internalized that your own life is out of your control. And because you've bought this idea that your depression is due to some permanent imbalance in your brain, you never seek out the things in life that will truly make you happy... And the downward spiral begins. Instead of building and maintaining friendships, you make excuses. Instead of going outside and getting fresh air, you make excuses. Instead of exercising, you make excuses. Instead of eating healthy, you make excuses. Instead of getting into a more fulfilling/rewarding line of work, you make excuses. The truth is that those pills that you force down your throat are the things that make you PERMANENTLY "chemically imbalanced". They synthetically alter your brain chemistry to the point where the only way that you can see a glimmer of hope in your life is if you take your $500/mo prescription. Not to get all touchy feely on you, but you're a lot stronger than you think man. Somewhere inside of yourself, you have MUCH more strength and resolve than you are even aware of. You were not born broken. Your life is valuable. You are loved. Someone is depending upon you. So much so that if you took your life, you would permanently break them emotionally. But to find your strength, you have to take back control of your life.
well said Robert Stevenson.... but it is also about murder... of oneself. It is a passive aggressive act to take what is loved by others. Sick .. yep,.. but murder all the same.
"How does a guy like that even WANT to kill himself?!?' Yeah, this is precisely the kind of conversation that most people (disinterested or not) are likely to have on this subject. (Are capable of having...?) My simple answer, as someone who has attempted the act, is this: 'It's a mental-fucking-illness', stupid.' Seriously; people use the wrong reference points, are working off terribly flawed assumptions. He was ill. No matter the outwards appearances; those of us who have attempted are massively good actors. I had a friend who'd known me for more than a decade, and when I told him I dealt with depression on a daily basis was speechless. This is why someone like Cornell can be in front of an audience, seem like he's having a hell of a time...and then get back to the hotel and hang himself. Additionally, many of those who ultimately attempt do not, at the core level, want to get help. Or be helped. Again, as to the 'Why?', we're talking about a mental illness.
Exactly! Depression is a mental illness; that's what people don't understand. It's got nothing to do with attitude or behaviour, it is an illness of the brain. The brain literally gets to a point where it is so confused and numb that it doesn't know what the next step is. Everywhere it turns there is a brick wall. So, the brain reacts by consistently going into panic mode (hence the extremely high levels of anxiety in depressed people), as it sees no other way of coping with being so bewildered and confused. And of course, the brain going into panic mode only serves to heighten the desperation and confusion it is feeling. What people who have never suffered don't understand is that depressed people are confused and desperate. They are confused because they can't figure out, given all of the wonderful things in their lives, why they can't be happy; why their brain just can't be happy, or why it can't find a way to 'enjoy' life, even with self talk to try and train it to think differently and react differently , and, as such, people with depression become desperate to find a solution, or just to get some relief from the constant confusion and general sense of numbness that so overwhelms you when you're depressed. One day you're thinking about your next move and your plans, then the next day it all just seems too hard to achieve and the overwhelming sense of "what's the point" and 'it's all too hard" takes over and you can barely find the energy to get out of bed. Then the frustration of not having done anything, and then the new found vigour for your plans...then that terrible bloody emptiness and lack of motivation hits again...and on-and-on it goes. Something else I believe that nobody ever really touches on is the idea that many people who have lived with depression most of their lives, eventually just accept that-that is the way their life is going to be. That the solution (even though it isn't really a solution), is to accept the reality of how your brain functions and try to find coping mechanisms or to limit activity that will exacerbate the depressive symptoms. Then, of course there is self-medication, which works, to a degree, but then your body starts to go down hill and everyone tells you to 'get straight'. So you 'get straight' and don't know what to do with yourself...and the cycle continues (and it is a cycle). I think people with depression who finally decide to end it? Just can't do the cycle anymore...they are done with living for everyone else and decide to do something for themselves and end the 'cycle'. It's a shocking illness, and one so many people still have no concept of on any level.
LJY08, you give an amazingly accurate description. Been there, done that. Only having to care for someone outside needier and worse off than myself (a special needs grandchild) gave me a purpose to live. I'm not saying that would work for everyone. By no means. But it did help me, and I am better now, after decades of what you described. I still do have my days and weeks. For me, every day is a milestone when I am helping someone else poorer than myself. It gives me light and hope. Just stating something that has helped and worked for me.
I had depression for 10 years. I was 6'3 and 250 pounds and excised like mad. It didn't help at all. My family doctor, father, professors all try to tell me that there was nothing wrong with me except that I had a bad attitude. Finally, when I was 26, a doctor at my university took it seriously and put me on medication. I felt like a new person within three months. Depression is a serious medical problem that needs to be treated. Chris Cornell was a human being with a medical issue that wasn't treated correctly.
Bob Boberson that’s the cool thing about life you can choose not to listen to things that you don’t like, but thanks for commenting to let us know you didn’t watch the video you commented on. Do you see how keeping some things to yourself can allow you to have a better life? Lol be more self aware and you’ll stop trying to get validation on your feelings. This age of likes and comments has people so absorbed that they forget this is real life.
Having seen this and recently seeing a video by Paul Joseph Watson, someone I generally agree with, Joe, this guy, and Paul Watson are not stupid people but clearly are totally ignorant about depression and anxiety disorder. It's an issue in your brain. They think "oh all you need to do is go accomplish something cool and you'll feel all better. Works for me so it should work everyone else. See it's so easy." No, you literally have no desire to do anything anymore and doing and accomplishing things that you used to love doing doesn't bring you any joy anymore. Combine that with social anxiety and you're fucked because now doing even simple things that everyone does on a daily basis becomes difficult because it causes you to feel an irrational fear or at least uncomfortableness so heavily that you try to avoid these situations completely which puts a huge block on your social and career life which then leads to low self-esteem, negative thoughts about yourself, lack of confidence, loneliness, pessimism, and generally even worse depression. Its a never ending cycle. Honestly, don't even try to understand what depression and anxiety disorders are like if you've never experienced it. You will more than likely be wrong if you talk about it but never experienced it.
I think this is great clip, from someone who was on that downward spiral. Anyone who is liking this comment doesn't want to change. They want to continue being miserable and complaining. You can get out of it. Suicide isn't the answer.
But major depression is much more than that. Chris was the happiest he had ever been at the time of his death. Depression with a biological cause can just take you down out of no where.
I suffer from chronic depression as well, and suicide is a thought lurking behind all other thoughts. It's so hard to fight. Even getting out of bed and going out into the world is a massive internal struggle. We can do what Joe says, just push ourselves to do it and conquer every day....but it doesn't last very long. For me, it can last upwards of 6 months, then I inevitably fall into a 6 month funk. If only it were that simple, Joe.
you know how joe says you struggle through it and then WHOO you go on.. well somebody with true depression would go through it and still feel hopeless and unfulfilled and empty and dark.. THAT"S what depression is
So many people going on about "Oh, Rogan doesn't get it!". Of course he doesn't! He said it almost 10 times when the podcast began. "I don't understand". This isn't The View, folks. What sanctimonious angle do you want him to take?
Like the rest of the world who haven't experienced serious depression...To shut their mouths!! I thought when you attach the word Awareness to something, you're implying that there needs to be more discussion about said issue. Too bad SJWs think that if you don't have first hand experience, that you're apart of the problem if you speak.
So many people going on about how "He said almost 10 times when the podcast began 'I don't understand" Of course they don't care, this isn't television, folks. What sanctomonious silence do you want the comment section to take?
SlugDropsonheads You failed miserably at getting your point across. Re-edit that mess and try again. And when you misspell a word after it was written out for you, it makes it a little harder to take your point seriously.
My heart goes out to him & his family. My X had this very issue. She died in 2008. depression, pills, coping are very silent/private that will come out over time. Give someone a hug today. Tell them you love them
Its not about hobbies or exercise. Its about love. Whether you live in a mansion or on the streets; would you want to be here without friends or family?
Its not just about love because love is a very hard thing to keep a strong hold of. You gotta really work at that, even more than working out for example. Not sure if you watched/listened to this whole podcast, but Jotcka talked about even he himself gets days often where he just wants to chill and not workout, but he ultimately forces himself to go and put off the off day to tomorrow. I believe finding yourself a purpose or your true purpose is better. Everyone has a purpose, if you didn't, you wouldn't exist. But I believe knowing what that is, is something thats easier to hold onto than just simply love. But if you know your purpose you can create an unconditional love for whatever that is
Being driven is far much more different than being hopelessly depressed. Success doesn't mean being happy. Some people experience life and react to life differently. You may not understand but talking about it and having someone listen is very helpful
I understand what Joe is trying to get at here, but for some of us the struggle is just more anxiety. I've never understood the people who can take on a difficult task or situation, and then feel good about themselves once they've overcome and accomplished it. I've had to overcome many difficult obstacles in my life, and I'm still doing so, but when ever I accomplish something hard all I'm left with is the stress of having to overcome it, and the thought of wasting what little time I have by having to work harder than some. I'd gladly take a button I could push to solve all my issues, and then sit and rot in slothfulness until my own demise. My mindset just can't see things any other way. Existence is pointless, all things are relative, and every action is another small step towards an unavoidable entropic catastrophe. I don't know what Chris Cornell's thoughts and feelings were when he took his life, but part of me envies him for having the resolve to do it. I, sadly, am still overcome with too much doubt and fear to take the same course of action, though the daily struggles of life are maddening. Mind you, I'm not advocating suicide for anyone, but I also can't condemn those who choose it as a path, whether they are as well off as Chris was, struggle like myself, or fight even worse battles than I could ever possibly imagine. If you find happiness in struggle and adversity, that is great. If you find happiness in peace and inactivity, that is also great. Some of us though will be empty, regardless of what we overcome, achieve, or immerse ourselves in. It's certainly not true for all, but it is a harsh reality for some of us.
My prayers and my heart go too folks really suffering from clinical depression. It is insidious , hard, and beatable, get up and pick up your sword every day. Fight on.
I'm going to leave the following explanation from my perspective, being someone that has suffered his whole life from depression and suicidal thoughts, that might shed a little light on the topic for those that don't understand. Firstly it's not about feeling sad, nor is it about how good or bad life seems. When you suffer from this disease, anything positive that happens is almost completely ignored by your mind. When people compliment you, your inner monologue instantly dismisses it as a lie, and it goes unacknowledged. It took me over 30 years to be able to accept a compliment from someone. I would dismiss them out loud most of the time, so often that people would stop giving them. Anything positive is glazed over by your mind. Anything bad that goes wrong, even the little things are remembered in explicit detail, and stewed on for hours and sometimes days. I have had suicidal thoughts for as little as being pulled over and cautioned by a police officer. I was not mistreated. I was not fined nor arrested. At times, all you can think about is killing yourself and any problem that occurs is just another one for the tally that gives you reason to end it. The biggest problem is, it is your inner monologue, your inner self that is doing the talking here. And nobody is more convincing on a topic than your inner self. It is absolutely exhausting, and the result of this combination of mindsets is, things start going wrong even more at work, in your personal life and all around because you're tired, you're not present, you can't concentrate etc. Then the spiral can get out of control. For any haters out there that want to argue this, you can't. Because it is my experience and my perspective. But it might help those of you that don't suffer, to better understand those that do. Unfortunately suicide is just one of the many side effects of the disease we call depression, or in my case, major depressive disorder. Thanks
Every single human being on this earth has suffered from some form of depression and/or anxiety at some point in their life. I think every single child at some point in their childhood suffers from some kind of sexual/emotional/ and/or physical abuse at the hands of family, friends, or strangers. If you didn't, I think your very lucky. We are all on this crazy ass journey, feed the love and unity.
It's hard to understand unless you have been through severe depression regularly. I would rather deal with physical pain on a daily basis than depression any day. I deal with both and it sucks. But I have my kids to think about. When you get into a very dark place even family doesn't matter, you just want the darkness to stop. Been there too, luckily unsuccessful. We lost an incredibly talented musician. Deepest condolences to Chris Cornell's wife, kids, family and friends.
I have social anxiety as well... dear goodness its crippling at times... He was my favorite singer, and i went to see my favorite band Coheed And Cambria. I tipped my waitress for bringing me a water... she returned with tickets to see sound garden and said the venue manager said I deserved it... I woke up a week later to a text from a friend who went to the show with me to see coheed... she told me to not look at the news... I had already opened my phone and spent the entire day crying. 😔 I never got to see him but thank goodness we have his albums and videos.
I agree, I just wish that people who don't understand depression, or who have never experienced it, would just avoid talking about it and just fucking listen instead. What Rogan also fails to see in all of this, is that Grunge was the music for the 'depressed'. Soundgarden provided a place for depressed people to hide-out for a while and understand that they were't alone in the world, and that even a guy as successful as Cornell still had to deal with major issues in his life (ditto Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam). There's a very real danger when these kinds of 'life-lines' for many people, extinguish themselves from existence that some fans will follow; feeling that the one anchor in their life that helped them to deal with their problems, is gone, and the sense of hopelessness that will come with the loss.
2003 my heart stopped in an ambulance but I lived. The years following I suffered severe anxiety and depression. Sometimes my depression would get so dark that it would cause me physical pain so intense that only sleep could cure it....and often times only ativan could put me to sleep. Depression is a very dark thing and unless youve truly experienced it, you couldnt understand. I agree with Rogan...if you can exercise it will help greatly but if youve got a weak heart like myself, thats not an option. Youve gotta dig deep and exercise your mind spiritually. Its your only option
I’ve found a new life in psilocybin... the internal battle of death by my own hands is over... The last 6 months of my life have a new meaning that I can’t explain and don’t care to...but I do know without doing what I’m doing I would of been yet another horrendous statistic of suicide...
9 years ago today almost same age same drug... in the bathroom ...but no rubber band... I woke up but cost me so much.... struggling today but you nailed it. Get out of you head & into your body. 1st day back & banging the bag...
I've had suicidal thoughts most of my life... I try to keep myself occupied so i'd stop thinking about it... but the idea eventually returns. Why am I the way I am? Wished I knew...
It depends on why you have the thoughts. I have them for a few reasons...the #1 being having multiple people in my head and trying to hold them all back is too much.
I understand what they are saying here, but one thing they are leaving out is that depression is sometimes caused by a chemical imbalance that we cannot control. Sometimes it's even genetic, meaning that mental illness runs in some families. But yes, they are on the right track when they say exercise can help to lessen the symptoms of depression. Exercise works wonders for me. They also mentioned hobbies. Getting involved in hobbies can also improve a person's mental health.
Exercise and hobbies help. But that stops working when the depression gets really bad, and you stop feeling any enjoyment from the things that you liked, and working out while in that state feels like torture, its so much more difficult to do.
It wasn't planned. These type of events, for lack of a better explanation, is sometimes compared to a sneeze. It accidental and cannot be stopped. It's a perfect storm of depression, mis-diagnosis, the wrong medication, with a mix of other things........
Unless you live with depression everyday of your life you have no clue what depression or suicidal thoughts are. Depression sees no color, status, gender. Unless you have it, or live with someone who has it, you don't understand the struggle. Exercise doesn't help everything. These guys talked about situational depression...try living with it on a day to day basis. There are days where I want to get out and work in my garden, or go for a walk, or take a shower....anything but laying in bed and sleeping. To wrestle with your mind so you can get out of bed, and then feeling worse because there's no way. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" .... don't you think I would if I could? I've learned to live with the stigma and being called names or told "I'm faking it". It was the first step in helping me get through a major episode.
@@skeletonjones1 I mean the guest and Joe have so little personal experience in regards to depression. When they talk about it, they're completely out of their depth and accidentally come off as insensitive. If Bill Burr was on this episode, he would've been like "okay hold on, we don't know what the fuck we're talking about, I'm not just gonna play amateur psychoanalyst. This is sensitive stuff."
I know how depression is I been there It affects people differently I still can't believe Chris Cornell is gone r. I. p. man your truly missed you was the best Singer out there an still are in my book
I’m so scared right now, I’m in a very severe depression, not eating or sleeping well and my mind is racing and full of regret and fear. I’m barely holding on
I can say it's rare when I disagree with Joe on much. I usually agree or at least see his reasoning on most topics. This is one where he should of just paid respect and moved on. I'm not angry, his heart was in the right place, however, I believe true intelligence is knowing how little you actually know on any certain subject. Grow and learn from this mistake, as I'm sure you will anyway, which is why I respect you to begin with.
He literally said over and over again how he doesn't understand it. I'm sure you've never had a discussion candidly about something you're not fully understanding of though right? Intelligence is also being able to comprehend what's being said and clearly you lack the intelligence to understand the context of this conversation Joe was having.
he doesn't understand it but then does not try to even comprehend what could possible be going through the mind of someone who has battled depression since he was a teen. "Get a hobby," is not gonna work when you're battling severe depression.
I used to say dumb shit like Joe is saying here... until I had a nervous breakdown. It happened slowly and then all it once. I would feel mild anxiety that I would fight through because I was too tough to need a professional. Then it happened. I had a REAL panic attack. A trip to the hospital kind of panic attack. Just happened at work. After that they just kept coming. I wasn't a human being for an entire year. It's been 2 1/2 years and I still don't drive. I used to take road trips alone. Exercise is great if you feel sad but it's not for someone having a mental health crisis.
This video was a great reminder of the yawning chasm of experience that lies between myself and the sort of people who have never gone a day without sincerely wishing they were dead. That was awesome. Thanks.
I'll never understand the way people like Joe say "I don't understand why someone would kill them self". Really you can't put yourself in that head space? Let me help. Have you ever been in the middle of a shitty movie and turned it of based only on it being shitty and a waste of time to finish it? You made a choice saying fuck this this is a waste of time and energy I'm moving on. That's what people do when they go through with suicide they made the executive decision to check out of their shitty movie called life.
Kirby Elena What you said doesn't apply just to athletes I think people who find something that works for them want to impose that on everyone's life. Like people who are vegan or on a certain diet say "You gotta do what I'm doing I've lost so much weight and am finally happy!" They act like the information they're giving you it meant to help you but instead they just want to be self congratulatory
oafinfwawinv like many other people and myself have stated. You can't understand these thoughts of you've never had them. I commented this to help other people understand why someone would kill them self. So if you want to say what I said was terrible you have every right to say so.
Max Robert End the hard part. I'm not encouraging suicide I'm trying to help people understand what these thoughts are like. I live with them everyday. It sucks and one day I may kill myself but that's my doing
doug stanhope made a bit that sounds alot like what you wrote. he used the same analogy of life being like a movie. look it up on youtube, "doug stanhope suicide" he said literally almost exactly what you said.
Just throwing this out there: You can't really understand depression unless you're a mental health professional or you've gone through it yourself. I used to have all sorts of opinions about depression until one day it hit me and knocked me on my ass. I then realized how I didn't know shit. I also realized how absolutely miserable I was to the point where it took everything I had not to put a bullet in my brain. It wasn't about being weak or unable to deal with the real world, it was being in such a dark place and in so much emotional stress to the point where you don't see any feasible escape aside from ending your life. It's easy to talk about how you just need to exercise or pick up a hobby, but when your lizard brain takes over your ape brain you can't do anything. I don't know what Chris was going through that night, but I know I have been there and hope to never be there again. I know that Cornell was a legend and that his death has hit me harder than any other before him. We'll miss Chris, thanks for the music.
Exercise cured my depression. For those out there in the struggle, try and stick to it. Don't quit, the first week is tough cause of muscle soreness but by your third month you'll thank yourself for not quitting.
@@MelanieRful Indeed, that's likely the case. Studies agree that it cures depression "in some cases." I can only speak for my experience; good luck out there.
@@Frazful it help’s Definitely like in my case. My fears, My anger, My Inner Demons, it ALL can come out at the gym you just gotta pump yourself to do it.
to me, it's when you completely feel alone. when you've convinced yourself no one understands you. and that kind of thinking can happen to anybody. i agree with them, everyone needs to connect with things. people, ideas, activities. connections, key to the human condition of survival. if you've lost that then it's easy to be done.
When I was about 11 through 14 years old I used to have suicidal thoughts on a daily basis, but after I started lifting weights I have never been depressed for more than two days in a row. Even if I'm in trouble and feel like there is no way out, I go for a climb or lift some weights, the stress on my mind unwinds and lets me live through another day. Rinse and repeat.
I started getting them after breaking my ankle and still have them now mma training was the only thing keeping me sane 😂😂 its like something wants me to kill myself I feel so hopeless I can't even cry no more I'm so messed up like I've been having these thoughts everyday just thinking should I grab that shotgun under the bed and blow my head off or maybe take all those pills or just cut my wrist or hurt myself some other way idk
Your blessed to not understand
Thought the same thing.
@@letgo5491 READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!".
Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc.
Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!!
I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide.
Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking.
When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911.
You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
I've not thought of suicide but depression and anxiety and the thought battles that come with it are terrible.
with the words they say and how they express themselves I agree, it seems they do not, but when they talk about there and going to be physical, theres something to be said about that. I am far from the gym type of person, and rarely have worked out, but when you can physically exhaust yourself, from my experience it can take you away from that darker day, and provide a moment of something else. Ive told a person or two just go exhaust your body, and your mind can atleast take a break
*You're
Depression doesn't care about your socio-economic status.
Good quote
@@prettyuglysupernovarudegur2310 READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!".
Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc.
Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!!
I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide.
Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking.
When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911.
You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
Evidently not according to the statistics.
It never has. It consumes you.
@@SenatorBunny stfu
This convo illustrates perfectly how people don't understand mental illness and depression. If it was a broken leg and you could see the pain and injury, then it would seem real. People still don't seem to think that mental illness is real, because they can't see it.
...and people don't see the brain as just another bodily organ.
People refer to their brain as 'ME', rather than 'the brain' or 'my brain'. When we dissociate ourselves from our brain? We realise that depression is just an illness of a bodily organ. However, as this is the most important organ of the body, we fail to see how it can literally turn against the body, or just start to break down through an inability to cope with the demands being placed on it.
Just as a liver breaks down from the constant need to filter alcohol and other toxins; just as the heart breaks down when it's arteries become so clogged it can no longer find the strength to push blood through it's clogged 'pipes'; just as the lungs fail when they can no longer sustain the entire body's required oxygen levels with half a lung (as it has been clogged with foreign substances).
The brain, either through trauma; overuse (that is, over thinking) and the constant injection of adrenaline from worrying too much (really is just an extension of thinking too much), can no longer find the answers, or choose the appropriate response for any given scenario, so it either just defaults to 'adrenaline' in any situation that it sees as out-of-the-ordinary, or it just starts to sit quietly in the corner, not knowing what to do ; the dreaded numbness.
Either way? It knows its failing the body, but has no idea how to deal with the demand being placed onto it every day.
When you look at the brain as just another organ of the body, and not as 'ME' so-to-speak, mental illness is easier to understand.
The whole use of language around mental illness needs to change.
very good point.
Having once tried to kill myself, I think that Rogan is more-or-less on point. Here's an article on this subject: thebrainflux.com/exercise-reduces-suicidal-tendencies/
Spoonwood agreed, it is evidence based. Depression sux, and there is no quick cure but you have to increase your brain’s neuroplasticity and stress tolerance. Exercise, whole food diet with fasting, natural sunlight, avoiding artificial light at night, avoiding drugs and alcohol are all helpful over time and is scientifically proven.
It's only visible when it's a dead guy hanging from a rope.
Depression is much more complex than saying "snap out of it, take up a hobby, exercise".
THANK YOU. Maybe (won't hold my breath) just maybe the world might someday get it.
Yea that pissed me off when he said that
Yeah, not holding my breath
1000% agree!
Yeah doesn't even close to work that way. He's an idiot
I don't normally comment on anything, but I would like to share something and I hope Joe or someone in his staff gets to read it. To understand depression you have to experience it, there's no other way, unfortunately. I have had bipolar depression type 2 since I was a teen, I was very active, loved music, played some instruments and pursued a career as a singer, got some success and after that lost everything I fought for. I'm always tired, I don't enjoy anything anymore, I'm always in pain, lost my confidence and the love for pretty much anything that used to give me life and pleasure.
The struggle is there almost every day, almost every day i have suicidal thoughts and I have to find a reason to keep on living, and it's not easy because this state of mind does not allow you to value what you have or possess, it just keeps reminding you about what lacks inside of you over and over again... there's no drive, no ambition, no motivation, there's no fire burning anymore. There's moments when you feel there's a light at the end of the tunnel and just right after that, disappointment hits you like a truck full of bricks and it feels like your own mind is trying to deceive you, like some sort of self sabotage. That would be my short way of describing depression for you, at least in my experience. Suicide is not the rational answer to depression, but to some people is the only way out of the prison of their minds.
Erick Mendoza It was very brave of you to express such raw honesty. Please fight the fight. 😊
Maybe you lack vitamin D or something, look it up.
Erick Mendoza Well said. If you only had strenght, you could move mountains but when you are ill, you can not do a thing. I feel for you. I feel for anyone who is struggling with mental issues. I've been there, I don't think it never goes away but I have learnt to live with it.
It takes a lot to approve of yourself as you are, accept your illness, trying to cope with that. If it was easy, we should not even talk about depression.
It's one thing being down than suffering depression.
One thing people should know is that even if you have never be in that dark place, you could imazine what it's like when you have no light in your life.
Chris Cornell, Rest in Peace.
Erick Mendoza oh shut the fuck up.. cry baby. no ones reading that.. go write an essay on toilet paper, coz its shit. these guys are just having a normal convo dipshit
LUF LUOS Obviously his comment is a lot more interesting than yours.
Why don't you go and find a new hobby since you have nothing to say.
I know your lips are moving but that's not enough.
Unless you've had clinical depression or severe depression you can't grasp the pain of it. Rich people get depression. Poor people get depression. The guy down the street gets it. Kurt Cobain had it. Its not a logical disease. It makes your brain try to kill you. Like cancer some people survive and some people don't. People still treat suicide like it's a real choice and it isn't. I'm not a doctor but I have first hand life experience with it. Depression is a total beast of an illness and condition. Joe Rogan is saying he's felt shitty himself. Then went to the gym and felt better. That's miles away from what serious depression is. Although exercise can help some people.
Well I "did" and disagree. There. Counterexample. IF you think you got depression you solidify it. Duh.
Exercise helps, but Joe Rogan doesn't understand that empty feeling.
It's not feeling miserable, it's a feeling of numbness.
thanks for recognizing this dude. it’s almost demoralizing to those who deal with those thoughts to hear people who don’t understand preach about it like they have some simple answer. nothing about it is simple as you perfectly said.
@@omegaman5663 "If you think you got brain cancer you solidify it. Duh."
Spot on
One reason poor people don't commit suicide more than rich people is because poor families are centered more towards the family as a whole not just the individual.
Yep
True
If only depression was just “feeling shitty”...
I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as swinging kettlebells to stop suicidal thoughts...
Swing one at your noggin and it all stops ;D
Exactly!
Well you are wrong.
@@Dark89Avenger lmao eat shit
Sort of is getting on yo shit helps drastically
The thing about depression is you CAN'T do the things you know you should do. Not won't, can't.
luparvenom As a man that was diagnosed with Bipolar at 8, I call bullshit.
Bipolar is not clinical depression. Very different animals, both with their own unique brand of suffering.
You don't know Manic-Depression well, then. Again though, I call bullshit. There is no 'can't' in that context. A friend of my family lost both her daughters and faced heavy depression herself, she had to force herself to get moving but she did, and now regularly run 5ks.
Your mental state, your emotions, they don't absolve you of your responsibility over your own actions or lack thereof.
Yep, some people can dig themselves out of it, some can't. Just because some people can, doesn't mean everyone can. I know bipolar enough to know it's different than clinical depression (actually that term isn't even used anymore - it's major depressive disorder). Apparently you don't. It's why they have different names, and different ICD 10 codes. They aren't the same thing at all. Apples and oranges. It's silly and ignorant to pretend they're the same, just like it's silly ignorant to think that because someone who suffered great tragedy forced herself to "get moving," everyone else can.
People who say "man up and get yourself moving" to someone with major depressive disorder are one reason why so many with that disease kill themselves. The rate of suicide in bi-polar people is miniscule compared to those with major depressive disorder.
Educate yourself before you judge, please, or you're going to kill someone someday with your ignorant bullshit.
OMG I didn't even see the second part of your post, which is one of the stupidest things I've ever read in my life. You do know that both bi-polar and major depressive disorder are physiological, right?
Please tell me you don't actually, because I'd rather you were ignorant than evil.
I first started listening to Chris Cornell in January this year. I was hooked instantly. I've battled with depression since I was eight and when I heard Chris Cornell his music evoked this feeling in me that was all to familiar that I think only people who do struggle with that empty swallowing feeling in the middle of their chest which I call soul break. But he also evoked hope from that. I was struggling to define this feeling that his music evoked in me and when I heard he killed himself it all became clear. He was not alone. His pain is universal.
He didn't kill himself
He was amazing. I'll never forget hearing Audioslave live in 2006
Black hole sun won't you come and wash away the rain.
I think his depression is part of what made him a great musician. Most people don’t experience the extreme lows that Cornell experienced. I myself am Bipolar and I’m no stranger to depression and suicidal thoughts. All my hobbies become meaningless and it’s gotten so bad at times that I’ve thought that not even God can save me. My guitars collect dust, I stop working out, I stop taking calls etc. The thing that helps me the most is prayer and staying in a routine. Making sure I shave and wear clean clothes and at the end of a bad day I at least make sure I brush my teeth before bed.
@@debbiejensen4733yeah every musician in history who committed suicide was actually murdered. GTFO
Chris Cornell's vocals were unparalleled. The dude was an artist.
He was murdered along w/Chester.
@@mjohnson1741 bullshit get a fucking clue
@@mjohnson1741 muppet
@No One you mask your truth because it is easier to understand, it is more fathomable to go with. It is put into your head only because they want you to think that. Read this comment and just sit and think about some things taht your indecisive about, and tell me that me and all the other people are muppets, tell us that were muppets for believing something that isnt what the media portrays.
Ps: muppets are awesome, your thinking of puppet.
"The Pinnacle of fame, The Pinnacle of money...". And that asinine statement shows how UTTERLY worthless both those are to happiness and proves what's wrong with our culture.
ROOKTABULA yet like Pavlovian hounds people will continue to chase the golden ring at their peril...
Couldn't agree more. OMG have no respect for these 2 tools. Yeah, everyone wants to be rich and famous but I think a lot of these guys who were in that situation would trade that for being right in the mind. NOBODY, can comment on mental health if they haven't had these issues. Smug assholes like this think they can comment on it. "You have to struggle." The struggle is real with them. One they deal with every day of their life its just one you can't understand.
I think they're just making the same point you are about having it all but being unhappy and you righteous morons are bitching about it.
You know what.. I'll be the first to say it: "FUCK CHRIS". I love his music and his amazing voice yada yada.. been a fan forever since the beginning yada FUCKING yada. But guess what?? Who wants to be famous to begin with? Egotestical mother fuckers that I fucking hate. The same people that most of us depressed idiots fucking hate. So yea, FUCK CHRIS. I guess he got what was coming to him. He signed the contract. People need to stop feeling sorry for him. Feeling sorry for anyone is a major weakness and just plain douche-baggery.
+TAG No one writes and performs music for decades because they want to be famous. They do it because they have a passion for music and they want to create it and share it. He doesn't strike me as egotistical at all, but more of an introverted musician who was forced into fame by virtue of his incredible talent. Fuck you for ignorantly denigrating the deceased.
That spiral is tough to get out of. Very very hard.
Joey Rodriguez so true brother I hear ya. I know
Yeah it is. It becomes the default and anything else is a bonus.
Joey Rodriguez Especially if you take benzos to manage it. If you have depression, and take/abuse benzos, your depression will get WAY worse.
I hate when people who don't fight the fight try to speculate. YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.
I survived my downward spiral... though I'm still here, it doesn't mean I wasn't thinking of clever ways to end myself -- suicide by cops seemed legit. Nevertheless, I did pick up several hobbies, it was almost like a quarter life crisis, but I knew i was driven by depression considering how much I lost, and how despondent I felt at the time. You know what helped me embrace the darkness and cope with life? Nine Inch Nails; music saves... It was the sense of relation and solidarity that saw me through. I hope anyone reading this who feels undermined by despair will take heed to my message. Music saves...
I toured with him in the 90's with my band Warrior Soul. He was an awesome person. He will be missed!!
Fuck that’s cool
Warrior soul is awesome!
Daniel Rubin Thanks brother
@@johnnyriccomusic Are you talking about Warrior Soul - Last Decade Dead Century? man that album is GOLD
@@sawwwru Thank you!
Cancer? "nah man just swing a kettle bell around man"
Yeah, all these leukemia patients, they're just pussies. Also, they should all stop doing chemo, dat shit's terrible for you...
Honestly, you know all those people with skin cancer? Yeah they should've went out into the sun more, maybe then their skin would've been more resistant and they would've never gotten skin cancer. They probably need more sun right now, maybe it'll help them feel better.
I have suffered from depression for years and survived my own suicide attempt. I have been on anti depressants for a decade now and I can say that messing with the doses more or less as Chris did, effects people differently but the change can be extreme. I tried to go cold turkey from my medication and I felt like I was drunk and panicking for 2 weeks straight, I wanted to die again because my body couldn't produce the serotonin itself yet. Taking too much can be scary too. I don't know where Chris's life was at, how he was struggling but I know it is possible to believe that death will be what makes everything better. When you believe that, then death becomes your goal to strive for because life has become the hell, and death feels like it could bring release, rest and relief. I'm happy to say I'm glad I didn't die, today I'm married, have a career and enjoy my life again, but still struggle, I've just decided to fight till the end. That's actually why I love UFC and relate to it and martial arts. I also loved Chris Cornell and felt like losing him was losing a brother.. RIP Chris. If you're struggling with depression, believe it will get better, don't be ashamed if you need a medication, and don't believe that death will bring you the relief you need, seek help, there's more than help available than we realize.
Great reply! I didn't even know he took antidepressants or maybe he did in the past. I take them and Seroquel. They don't stop my manic highs and lows. They only lessen the intensity and duration of episodes. Psychtropic meds are sadly in its embroyonic stages as far as TRULY being effective. Basically in this day in age, they do very little for practically every single person I have spoken to who takes them. So sad...but it's worth a try. I take them anyway.
Bruh. Gtfo those poison meds. They literally shrink your brain. It's a known side effect. Look it up. Less gray mass in brain.
I'm a big fan of Joe, but this is a ridiculous misunderstanding of depression.
Beyond ignorant
tim jim I think that you are misunderstanding what he was saying he said he does not know how it feels to feel that depressed him and his radio host his guest both said that they cannot relate. everything that they are saying is conjecture they know that and they stated that from the beginning of the podcast . they or both working pretty hard to empathize and try to understand what the f*** happened. they're not saying that they have all the f****** answers and so for you to say that they are ignorant shows what a f****** moron you are
Yes and no for me. I treat this professionally, and they're not wrong. Exercise is a huge protective factor against depression, but most struggling with depression are so far beyond having the motivation to do so. Kind of like telling an addict to just stop using. It's not wrong. It's just not helpful either for the person that far in.
I will say he and his guests usually miss the mark on mental health in general, addiction being a big one. Big Doug Stanhope fan, but he understands very little about addiction as well. But that's why he does standup, and we do therapy.
This is your first step towards realizing that Joe is a fucking moron.
The " I just don't get it " reaction is unintelligent.
It's like telling Joe how I just don't understand how he's bald. I mean, I have hair.
I don’t think he means it in a derogatory way. He is saying he doesn’t get it, because he doesn’t, he doesn’t have the issue, how could he?
Depression takes over your brain and you are not you anymore. It’s a chemical reaction in your brain that you or even medication sometimes cannot help. I am sure they don’t intend to , but these two are doing an incredible disservice to people with depression. They don’t understand that you can have the world - a happy marriage and friends, millions of dollars, whatever, but an evil monster has taken over your brain and the mental pain is unbearable. These guys are talking about people being sad because something really bad happened to them. That’s not chemical depression or Major Depression as it is properly named. am writing this as I listen to them and it’s making me angry and sad because they don’t know what they are talking about in the least. But it’s not just them, it’s a lot of people. This is the issue with depression- you don’t know what it is unless you experience it. Alcohol and. drugs are just forms of self medication for depression, they do not cause the depression.
Better to not lie if you don’t understand. Think about the million factors. You think anyone can pinpoint depression, your wrong
I think he’s just trying to say he can’t understand that view point because from what he looks like he doesn’t have many mental problems, if you don’t have depression or any other mental illness you really can’t understand what it’s like for a person who does have it.
I just comb my hair every day and use shampoo and conditioner and love it. I don’t get what’s the problem
Love you Chris. You wrote and performed some of the greatest music. With everything you went through, you made it to 52 in spite of severe anxiety and depression. RIP
Depression is a state of mind, not an emotion (like being sad). It's not a reactionary thing, like I feel sad because of x & y. I'm hopeless because I dont have anything else. You can be completely logical and rational, and know these things - and depression will always kick you down, and drown you. I think people need to start viewing depression as a physical thing. Since it doesn''t seem most people get it. Instead of thinking of Depression as an emotion - imagine its someone taking a bat to your knee every day. Someone taking a drill, and drilling your fingers. Someone taking a needle and poking your brain over and over.
This is suffering. It's actually suffering. It's like someone dunking your head under water, and letting you back up. You are suffocating. When you understand that Depression is actual suffering, then you start to understand why some people decide to kill themselves. To just check out. Because they don't want to endure the pain anymore. It's not the same kind of pain that normal people suffer. The problem is, most people that are "normal" are not able to comprehend Depression, and what it's like. It's like someone that has autism, and how it completely changes their perception and how they see the world. As someone that is normal, you can't comprehend that.
I think Joe's advice about dedicating your life to something that you suck at, or something like working out (which is a constant struggle and requires discipline) - is actually a good one. Because things like that can sometimes help those depressed. But sometimes a distraction like that, won't do jack shit, for someone that is depressed. I would have thought that Joe Rogan would understand this, since he seems to know a lot about "perception" and how much altering your mind, can change the way your actually experience the world. He's talked about this before with drugs. Now imagine someone that is depressed, and how much that actually alters the way they experience the world.
So yeah, everyone that says "how could he do this". He's "so selfish". Cornell had "money, a hot wife, children, fame, was the best singer, why would someone that has everything do this". Again, while I get why people think this way, they are way off. Depression is something that completely takes over your mind, your feelings, and the way you see the world. It doesn't matter how rich you are, how famous you are. How good you are things. None of that matters.
Also to those conspiracy people out there, those that are about to kill themselves OFTEN show no signs they are depressed. In fact, often those that have decided to kill themselves, they show signs of extreme happiness and optimism. They will talk about future plans, and how excited they are.The reason for this is, depressed people feel "elated" when they have decided to end things, because they feel a huge weight off their shoulders. And since they know it's going to be their last time, they say things to make others happy, and to make themselves feel happy in the moment. So it's like they are living off a high. So for Cornell, it's the fact that he's playing with his old band. That he's playing among fans that love him. That he's going to see fans at a future concert. He's living in the moment, and living off that high.
This is actually not that uncommon. So if you know someone that is depressed, and they are suddenly happier then usual (they show signs of elation, and optimism) - and it's like a light has been switched on, these might be signs that they have decided to kill themselves, or are leaning towards doing so. Far too often, I see people say "well they were so happy, I don't believe they would do this". But people just aren't informed on this. It's again, pretty common.
El A Hit the nail on the head. Depression completely takes you over, it is suffering that no one else can really see or feel...
Mikey Moo troll
People, like Joe, who've got great lives have no comprehension of waking up and feeling like shit. The common response is, "well, change your life then" like that's as easy to others as it is for them.
Agreed. I lift weights in the morning... after my heart stops racing and I get the energy to get dressed. I don't want to feel this way. I don't want to wake up with negative thoughts and the feeling that there's lead on my chest. Exercise does help me to an extent. I've learned various meditation mindfulness and breathing techniques from professional counseling. Joe saying "I've felt like shit and worked out and felt better. WOO!" is bullshit. I do agree that being trapped in your mind fans the flames, but reducing it to swinging a kettle bell around is pathetic.
I Had Depression, and i Changed my Life completely. Changed my diet completely, working Out Every day, Meditation etc. and surprise. It worked. Of course IT IS Not getting better If you dont Change anything.
@@medienmitmarius278It’s probably because you don’t have clinical depression. With Clinical Depression it’s completely different. You won’t understand it if you don’t suffer through it and it doesn’t sound like you were ever diagnosed with Clinical Depression. I’ve been diagnosed with CD and it fucking sucks. It makes life a living hell, I’ve tried so many ways to change my life to make myself happier, but with Clinical Depression, it just doesn’t work like that. To TRY and heal my pain, I have coping strategies and that’s it. You just won’t understand that and it’s disrespectful to say to a Clinically Depressed person that you can change your lifestyle and it will go the fuck away: With Clinical Depression, it doesn’t exactly go away so. It sucks. so much. Everyday.
@@raingirlcat2245 Stfu depression is depression ...your depression isnt worse than a fat white kid who lost his twinkie in a corn field.
Its how you handle it.
How the fuck are you gonna say somebody elses depression wasnt that bad?
You must be a mind-reading A-hole.
Depression is untouched by exercise, diet, friends, family, everything. I've tried it all, and here I sit, so close to giving up. I don't want pity, I just want people who are normal to appreciate it. I've fought for so long and now I'm accepting that this is the hand I was dealt. I've tried medication, meditation, exercise, eating healthy, you name it but no matter what I can't shake it. I know exactly why Chris did it. You can only fight for so long before you give up...
This isn't true.
Unless you are inclined to believe in more spirtual/religous, metaphysical, or other not wholly physical & embodied reasons for depression or other
cognitive-psychological-behavioral-emotional illness/disorders
hope ur doing better my guy
Checking in man. Hoping you found some peace. How are you brother
Hey man, I don't know what happened to you but I hope you're not suffering anymore. As someone who is "Normal" I very much appreciate it.
Bro, are you still ok? I promise I would have tried to help you some way if I saw this comment 5 years ago when I didn’t even got it yet. Now as I see it, please reply for me to check if you are ok. You are cared for I promise✊🏻
"The pain of severe depression is quite unimaginable to those who have not suffered it, and it kills in many instances simply because its anguish can no longer be borne. The prevention of many suicides will continue to be hindered until there is a general awareness of the nature of this pain."
-William Styron, 'Darkness Visible'
Very true. Unless you’ve experienced a severe and frightening depression then you will never understand it. Joe means well but but when a persons not sleeping and can barely get out of bed a gym session isn’t gonna lift it. I’ve done a ton of walking and still low
Cornell suffered from severe anxiety since he was a child. $60 million net worth and a family. RIP Chris.
i didn't know that man. Anxiety is really horrible. It's like bombarded with negative thoughts against your will all day/night. During the day you just lose your mood to do anything, and at night you can't sleep and feel guilty about shit you've done in an exagerrated way. RIP Chris.
maybe the money and family couldn't even stop chris from commiting suicide. goes to show mental/psychological issues shouldnt be taken lightly. for both men and women, young and old. who knows before he died, he tried reaching out and all people could tell him was 'get a different hobby' or 'get good at something'.
Carlos Parra I didn't put them in any particular order for any reason, you're right family should have been first. I know I'm fine with not being rich because I have a (small) but loving family.
Hell is nothing more than the stick in your "carrot and stick" religion. If the donkey doesn't take the carrot(heaven), beat it with the stick. Good thing there's no reason whatsoever to believe either are anything more than the rambling mental masturbations of iron age desert dwellers.
Mr. Marchant I seriously think there's no real hope for people who are diagnosed with anxiety and depression. It's always only a matter of time before they kill themselves.
Sad or Depressed two entirely different things. Depression is crippling, physically painful, darkest place you can not imagine.
I love his podcast but he has no idea what he's talking about.
Dealing with shit is one thing, depression is something you can't just distract with a gym membership.
True, you'll be inside the gym depressed
@@mixwb true
'The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.'
-David Foster Wallace
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@@letgo5491 READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!".
Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc.
Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!!
I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide.
Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking.
When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911.
You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
Great analogy
This is one of my favorite book quotes I have ever heard. Really brilliant analogy.
Wow I love this quote it’s so true !
So unbelievably tragic..
TheBodynsoul1 I still can't believe it! What a guy and what a loss!
It really is.
I'm getting pretty weary of Joe Rogan bringing up Chris Cornell as a talking point. Love you Joe, but you have no idea, buddy.
Joe "Just fuckin' doin' it!" Rogan.. wondrously oblivious.
I think he has an idea. He got very nervous when challenged to step outside of the narrative into the danger zone. You can just feel his fear right here. I swear, they got to him.
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Seems like they have also forced him away from AJ.
Far beyond a grunge star. I could play his music around my grandparents and would hear them say "who is this? It's quite beautiful." He was an extraordinary musician, vocally, but for me more for his unprecedented lyrics and ability to tell a story. No other individual musician has touched me in the way he has. To see his solo shows was to see a talent way beyond a mere 'rock front man'; instead you were entering an experience that only a few people have the ability to do. Truly extraordinary.
Thanks Joe, I'm 20 and I've slowly been realizing this about struggle for the first time. helping my brother out working on cars has been helping. I'm actually sober now.
This is so embarrassing.
Agreed.
The comment below which Joe made is so fucking ridiculous. I know he stated several times that he doesnt understand what drives someone to commit suicide, but he followed that up by saying:
"For some people out there who aren't feeling good. Man. If you just fucking struggled more....you get over that struggle.....you feel better. It sounds so simplistic but I swear by it. I felt shitty myself, then forced myself to work out and after I get out of there I'm like......WOOOOOH! I feel FUCKING great!!!"
This is how almost all healthy minded (non suicidal/deeply depressed) people approach suicide. They have no fucking clue what it feels like to be weighed down by severe depression and suicidal thoughts. To think that a hobby, exercise or a "struggle" will make you "feel fucking great", is absurd to say the least.
I know I'm stating the obvious here, but I feel like it must be said after listening to Joe and Jocko. If you've never had to deal with a mental disorder, you will never understand how it effects your life. And when you tell a suicidal person to get a hobby or go exercise to pull yourself out of depression..........you sound like a fucking asshole! Yes, that shit can help a healthy person who is just feeling a little down and out. But feeling a little down is nothing like living under the weight of severe depression with thoughts of killing yourself.
Thank you for your response. I totally agree. And as for struggle? Cornell was born into a family where his mother and father didn't even like each other and, I think, only got married because his mother got pregnant. He had many brothers and sisters because he was Irish Catholic; his father had no connection with him whatsoever, and never had anything nice to say to him, or offered any guidance on how to be a man...and he openly admitted to Stern that his father would have "without doubt", thought he was a "major fuck up" as a kid and as an adult.
There was no falling out between he and his father, he simply just ceased to stay in contact with him, and his father never bothered to make contact either, in Cornell's opinion? Because he would have seen it as his kid's responsibility to remain in contact after he had raised them,. Even though his father merely earned the money and did NOTHING else by way of being a father. He also added that his father would have just written him off as his "loser kid" and got on with his life.
Cornell openly admitted that he doesn't miss his father because he never really had a father per se.
As a result? He had no self-esteem and had bad relationships with women (he was never violent or aggressive, but perhaps too submissive and not able to stand-up-for-himself)...one of whom tried to kill him with a knife.
If that's not a pretty hard beginning to life? I don't' know what is.
Depression is not about hard knocks, it's about an illness of the brain - and macho men like Rogan just don't get it and continue to perpetuate the myth that depression and suicide it just weak-mindedness. Christ it's 2017 and there are still people that believe that?
LJY08 I really appreciate your insight and the info about Chris Cornell's family dynamic. He and I are born the same year. Many differences though. I'm a black Canadian woman. Not heavily into Grunge when it was current but always completely taken with the voices of Chris Cornell and Eddie Vedder. Had a huuuge crush on Chris. I've had a couple weeks here and a couple weeks there in my life of feeling down and out but it was basically episodic. Something happened to bring me down. It would be disrespectful of me to say I understand depression. My belief in God helps me in struggle a lot, but we are all different. Thanks again for your comment. Really cogent. Peace
Never Never totally agree. however, it's not to say it isn't possible to be healed of it. that is the hope. but his explanation lacks sensitivity.
Well-said.
And I don't think either of them can imagine how your mind becoms poison thus turning your biggest asset into your biggest, most persistent near-unconquerable enemy.
It seems one of the reasons Jung was such an advocate of trying to learn as much as you could from "The Shadow Persona"
Maybe they'd both understand if you said Jocko would have to fight a 35 year-old Richard Marcinko & Joe would have to fight an angry Matt Hughes, 16 hours a day, every day, for the rest of their lives, until they started taking serious meds.
Joe probably should have just called an expert, asked simple questions and then just listened.
Healthtrekke - YES! The operative word? LISTEN! Shut up if you don't understand and listen to those who DO know what they're talking about. The problem is that people who have never experienced depression, at least, not as part of their 'human condition', have no concept of what it is and how it affects your life. They also have no concept of the damage they do when they say stupid shit like what is being said here.
Rogan seems to think he's some kind of new-age philosopher who 'gets it', and feels it necessary to share his views on everything, no matter how biased, uneducated or destructive those views may be. He gets it wrong so often, but seems to think he's being edgy and controversial on issues that were dealt with some 30 years ago. He's the typical 'white-man' who thinks he's unleashing a revolution, but that's only because he has no grasp of history and doesn't realise that this is just rehashing old ground...ground we thought we were well on the way of moving away from at least 20 years ago. He's presenting arguments and standpoints that were debunked and destroyed decades ago through vast scholarship and activism, and he regurgitates it as if it's some kind of fresh outlook on how the world works. No! It's just a rehashing of what came before, what didn't work, and what people rebelled against to make a more equal and cohesive world.
I mean, seriously, this is shit that was on the way to done-and-dusted 20 years ago, but is now being presented as some kind of stance against PC culture. It's utterly pathetic, and it's only white men chanting the mantra that PC culture is the problem...that speaks volumes, doesn't it?
It's truly hard not to just see him as a knuckle-head with an attitude in this segment. He's lost any remaining respect I had for him. He's an ego-maniacal, self-important, willful ignoramus.
Soundgarden owned the 90s alt- Rock - totally brilliant- life is so valuable, treasure it- nobody gets out alive
Dont try to understand it if you havent been to those depths of depression
Exactly. Thank you.
Ignorance is bliss, Joe
"When you're feeling down go swing a kettlebell you will feel better"
OMFG
seriously.
Its funny bc there is actually research on this (weight exercise) and it doesnt work with mdd and bipolar im not sure about anything else but not with these to. U can find it on google scholar
Exercice has been showed to be effective just like antidepressants
Right? As if the genius that was chris Cornell who often played with his kids and exercised, needed to swing a kettlebell and get buffed to be cured from depression etc. If that were the answer we should prescribe it. Neither of this men seem to have ever heard chris Cornell speak in terms of these subjects and in terms of life relating to psychology and philosophically. They just see a singer and didn’t do their home work
He's an idiot. Which is why he doesn't understand depression. Kurt understood it all to well. I wish I was like you, easily amused.
Still heartbroken, it’s hard to believe I will never see Cornell, Live again 💔 His voice is forever etched into my soul ♥️
“The struggle towards the heights alone is enough to fill man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.” - Albert Camus
I don't understand how people can NOT be suicidal. What the fuck is the point of getting up at 3:30 when one feels like garbage all the time? Why exercise? Why do anything? People with normal brain chemistry who say they could "never understand" suicide fucking annoy me
To be honest, i have dealt with depression and since i got better, its sometimes hard for me to recall what it was like.
jackstorm777 because you touch yourself at night
@Jackstorm777 ... as Rich Piana said, the brain chemistry theory of depression is pseudoscientific bullshit. It amazes me how easily the pharmaceutical industry is has literally poisoned millions of people's minds.
Their marketing team implanted the idea (pseudoscientific lie) in your brain that you were a hopeless and defective human because of a "chemical imbalance". And like a good little slave, you went to your therapist and they sold you on the $100/hr therapy and the $3k/year pill subscription plan.
They sold you the same way that they sell Toyota Corolla's, Disney Vacation packages, and Chia Pets --> lies and manipulations. The difference is that instead of giving the corporation $100, $1,000, or $10,000 - you handed them your life. You handed them a piece of yourself that is very hard to take back.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy really. They manipulate you into believing the lie that you were born "imbalanced". Then you give up any sense of hope and accountability for your own actions because you have internalized that your own life is out of your control.
And because you've bought this idea that your depression is due to some permanent imbalance in your brain, you never seek out the things in life that will truly make you happy... And the downward spiral begins.
Instead of building and maintaining friendships, you make excuses. Instead of going outside and getting fresh air, you make excuses. Instead of exercising, you make excuses. Instead of eating healthy, you make excuses. Instead of getting into a more fulfilling/rewarding line of work, you make excuses.
The truth is that those pills that you force down your throat are the things that make you PERMANENTLY "chemically imbalanced". They synthetically alter your brain chemistry to the point where the only way that you can see a glimmer of hope in your life is if you take your $500/mo prescription.
Not to get all touchy feely on you, but you're a lot stronger than you think man. Somewhere inside of yourself, you have MUCH more strength and resolve than you are even aware of.
You were not born broken. Your life is valuable. You are loved. Someone is depending upon you. So much so that if you took your life, you would permanently break them emotionally. But to find your strength, you have to take back control of your life.
@Robert Stevenson Inspiring words mate. Thank you
well said Robert Stevenson.... but it is also about murder... of oneself. It is a passive aggressive act to take what is loved by others. Sick .. yep,.. but murder all the same.
"How does a guy like that even WANT to kill himself?!?' Yeah, this is precisely the kind of conversation that most people (disinterested or not) are likely to have on this subject. (Are capable of having...?) My simple answer, as someone who has attempted the act, is this: 'It's a mental-fucking-illness', stupid.' Seriously; people use the wrong reference points, are working off terribly flawed assumptions. He was ill. No matter the outwards appearances; those of us who have attempted are massively good actors. I had a friend who'd known me for more than a decade, and when I told him I dealt with depression on a daily basis was speechless. This is why someone like Cornell can be in front of an audience, seem like he's having a hell of a time...and then get back to the hotel and hang himself. Additionally, many of those who ultimately attempt do not, at the core level, want to get help. Or be helped. Again, as to the 'Why?', we're talking about a mental illness.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself dipshit and get the job done.
Exactly! Depression is a mental illness; that's what people don't understand. It's got nothing to do with attitude or behaviour, it is an illness of the brain. The brain literally gets to a point where it is so confused and numb that it doesn't know what the next step is. Everywhere it turns there is a brick wall. So, the brain reacts by consistently going into panic mode (hence the extremely high levels of anxiety in depressed people), as it sees no other way of coping with being so bewildered and confused. And of course, the brain going into panic mode only serves to heighten the desperation and confusion it is feeling.
What people who have never suffered don't understand is that depressed people are confused and desperate. They are confused because they can't figure out, given all of the wonderful things in their lives, why they can't be happy; why their brain just can't be happy, or why it can't find a way to 'enjoy' life, even with self talk to try and train it to think differently and react differently , and, as such, people with depression become desperate to find a solution, or just to get some relief from the constant confusion and general sense of numbness that so overwhelms you when you're depressed.
One day you're thinking about your next move and your plans, then the next day it all just seems too hard to achieve and the overwhelming sense of "what's the point" and 'it's all too hard" takes over and you can barely find the energy to get out of bed. Then the frustration of not having done anything, and then the new found vigour for your plans...then that terrible bloody emptiness and lack of motivation hits again...and on-and-on it goes.
Something else I believe that nobody ever really touches on is the idea that many people who have lived with depression most of their lives, eventually just accept that-that is the way their life is going to be. That the solution (even though it isn't really a solution), is to accept the reality of how your brain functions and try to find coping mechanisms or to limit activity that will exacerbate the depressive symptoms. Then, of course there is self-medication, which works, to a degree, but then your body starts to go down hill and everyone tells you to 'get straight'.
So you 'get straight' and don't know what to do with yourself...and the cycle continues (and it is a cycle). I think people with depression who finally decide to end it? Just can't do the cycle anymore...they are done with living for everyone else and decide to do something for themselves and end the 'cycle'.
It's a shocking illness, and one so many people still have no concept of on any level.
LJY08, you give an amazingly accurate description. Been there, done that. Only having to care for someone outside needier and worse off than myself (a special needs grandchild) gave me a purpose to live. I'm not saying that would work for everyone. By no means. But it did help me, and I am better now, after decades of what you described.
I still do have my days and weeks. For me, every day is a milestone when I am helping someone else poorer than myself. It gives me light and hope. Just stating something that has helped and worked for me.
I had depression for 10 years. I was 6'3 and 250 pounds and excised like mad. It didn't help at all. My family doctor, father, professors all try to tell me that there was nothing wrong with me except that I had a bad attitude. Finally, when I was 26, a doctor at my university took it seriously and put me on medication. I felt like a new person within three months. Depression is a serious medical problem that needs to be treated. Chris Cornell was a human being with a medical issue that wasn't treated correctly.
a new religion, to those without the faith
The last thing I need to hear is Joe Rogan's take on Chris Cornell.
Bob Boberson that’s the cool thing about life you can choose not to listen to things that you don’t like, but thanks for commenting to let us know you didn’t watch the video you commented on. Do you see how keeping some things to yourself can allow you to have a better life? Lol be more self aware and you’ll stop trying to get validation on your feelings. This age of likes and comments has people so absorbed that they forget this is real life.
@@justemusicme agreed
@@justemusicme except if your a targeted individual. Then you are FORCED 24/7 to listen to a bunch of pussies shitty opinions of you thru V2k
Having seen this and recently seeing a video by Paul Joseph Watson, someone I generally agree with, Joe, this guy, and Paul Watson are not stupid people but clearly are totally ignorant about depression and anxiety disorder. It's an issue in your brain. They think "oh all you need to do is go accomplish something cool and you'll feel all better. Works for me so it should work everyone else. See it's so easy." No, you literally have no desire to do anything anymore and doing and accomplishing things that you used to love doing doesn't bring you any joy anymore. Combine that with social anxiety and you're fucked because now doing even simple things that everyone does on a daily basis becomes difficult because it causes you to feel an irrational fear or at least uncomfortableness so heavily that you try to avoid these situations completely which puts a huge block on your social and career life which then leads to low self-esteem, negative thoughts about yourself, lack of confidence, loneliness, pessimism, and generally even worse depression. Its a never ending cycle. Honestly, don't even try to understand what depression and anxiety disorders are like if you've never experienced it. You will more than likely be wrong if you talk about it but never experienced it.
Great comment, I really appreciate it.
Zepp No, you're wrong, they are stupid.
I think this is great clip, from someone who was on that downward spiral. Anyone who is liking this comment doesn't want to change. They want to continue being miserable and complaining. You can get out of it. Suicide isn't the answer.
Zepp well said. I'm in a similar situation to you. Rogan and PJW are quite clearly clueless on this subject.
Exactly
Imagine EVERYBODY knows you but knows you as a famous person but not as an individual. It can wear on you. Even make you feel lonely.
But major depression is much more than that. Chris was the happiest he had ever been at the time of his death. Depression with a biological cause can just take you down out of no where.
Joe needs to stick to MMA.
yep
I suffer from chronic depression as well, and suicide is a thought lurking behind all other thoughts. It's so hard to fight. Even getting out of bed and going out into the world is a massive internal struggle. We can do what Joe says, just push ourselves to do it and conquer every day....but it doesn't last very long. For me, it can last upwards of 6 months, then I inevitably fall into a 6 month funk. If only it were that simple, Joe.
you know how joe says you struggle through it and then WHOO you go on.. well somebody with true depression would go through it and still feel hopeless and unfulfilled and empty and dark.. THAT"S what depression is
So many people going on about "Oh, Rogan doesn't get it!". Of course he doesn't! He said it almost 10 times when the podcast began. "I don't understand". This isn't The View, folks. What sanctimonious angle do you want him to take?
Like the rest of the world who haven't experienced serious depression...To shut their mouths!! I thought when you attach the word Awareness to something, you're implying that there needs to be more discussion about said issue. Too bad SJWs think that if you don't have first hand experience, that you're apart of the problem if you speak.
So many people going on about how "He said almost 10 times when the podcast began 'I don't understand" Of course they don't care, this isn't television, folks. What sanctomonious silence do you want the comment section to take?
SlugDropsonheads You failed miserably at getting your point across. Re-edit that mess and try again. And when you misspell a word after it was written out for you, it makes it a little harder to take your point seriously.
Thank you. People are taking Rogan's viewpoint as "unsympathetic", taking offence to comments which are not offensive. Pretty sad really.
FrederichFcknChopin Agreed! Try it out, and let us know about the results. We'll all wait for ya.
My heart goes out to him & his family. My X had this very issue. She died in 2008. depression, pills, coping are very silent/private that will come out over time. Give someone a hug today. Tell them you love them
struggling and grinding saved my life.
We all deal with our darkness differently. The military really helped me out of some black holes.
Its not about hobbies or exercise. Its about love. Whether you live in a mansion or on the streets; would you want to be here without friends or family?
Munch
You know it!
+Señor Romántico did you know him personally or just through what you saw on media? Just asking....
+ZNM210 Perception is reality. Who is to say someone "has everything"
Its not just about love because love is a very hard thing to keep a strong hold of. You gotta really work at that, even more than working out for example. Not sure if you watched/listened to this whole podcast, but Jotcka talked about even he himself gets days often where he just wants to chill and not workout, but he ultimately forces himself to go and put off the off day to tomorrow. I believe finding yourself a purpose or your true purpose is better. Everyone has a purpose, if you didn't, you wouldn't exist. But I believe knowing what that is, is something thats easier to hold onto than just simply love. But if you know your purpose you can create an unconditional love for whatever that is
he may of had bipolar disorder.
I guess sometimes being rich just means being miserable in nice places
Itchy Dupa There is no something riches can't commit suicide.
And the fact, riches live happier life than averages and poors.
Thanks for this conversation. It helps to listen to some honest, discussion on Chris and motivation to change, struggle and hopeful thoughts.
Being driven is far much more different than being hopelessly depressed. Success doesn't mean being happy. Some people experience life and react to life differently. You may not understand but talking about it and having someone listen is very helpful
Depression and suicidal thoughts is a struggle by itself
I understand what Joe is trying to get at here, but for some of us the struggle is just more anxiety. I've never understood the people who can take on a difficult task or situation, and then feel good about themselves once they've overcome and accomplished it. I've had to overcome many difficult obstacles in my life, and I'm still doing so, but when ever I accomplish something hard all I'm left with is the stress of having to overcome it, and the thought of wasting what little time I have by having to work harder than some. I'd gladly take a button I could push to solve all my issues, and then sit and rot in slothfulness until my own demise.
My mindset just can't see things any other way. Existence is pointless, all things are relative, and every action is another small step towards an unavoidable entropic catastrophe. I don't know what Chris Cornell's thoughts and feelings were when he took his life, but part of me envies him for having the resolve to do it. I, sadly, am still overcome with too much doubt and fear to take the same course of action, though the daily struggles of life are maddening.
Mind you, I'm not advocating suicide for anyone, but I also can't condemn those who choose it as a path, whether they are as well off as Chris was, struggle like myself, or fight even worse battles than I could ever possibly imagine. If you find happiness in struggle and adversity, that is great. If you find happiness in peace and inactivity, that is also great. Some of us though will be empty, regardless of what we overcome, achieve, or immerse ourselves in. It's certainly not true for all, but it is a harsh reality for some of us.
I couldn't have said it better.
It is so heartbreaking....5 years later it is still hard to understand....we have lost so much. ❤
My prayers and my heart go too folks really suffering from clinical depression. It is insidious , hard, and beatable, get up and pick up your sword every day. Fight on.
I'm going to leave the following explanation from my perspective, being someone that has suffered his whole life from depression and suicidal thoughts, that might shed a little light on the topic for those that don't understand. Firstly it's not about feeling sad, nor is it about how good or bad life seems. When you suffer from this disease, anything positive that happens is almost completely ignored by your mind. When people compliment you, your inner monologue instantly dismisses it as a lie, and it goes unacknowledged. It took me over 30 years to be able to accept a compliment from someone. I would dismiss them out loud most of the time, so often that people would stop giving them. Anything positive is glazed over by your mind.
Anything bad that goes wrong, even the little things are remembered in explicit detail, and stewed on for hours and sometimes days. I have had suicidal thoughts for as little as being pulled over and cautioned by a police officer. I was not mistreated. I was not fined nor arrested. At times, all you can think about is killing yourself and any problem that occurs is just another one for the tally that gives you reason to end it. The biggest problem is, it is your inner monologue, your inner self that is doing the talking here. And nobody is more convincing on a topic than your inner self. It is absolutely exhausting, and the result of this combination of mindsets is, things start going wrong even more at work, in your personal life and all around because you're tired, you're not present, you can't concentrate etc. Then the spiral can get out of control.
For any haters out there that want to argue this, you can't. Because it is my experience and my perspective. But it might help those of you that don't suffer, to better understand those that do. Unfortunately suicide is just one of the many side effects of the disease we call depression, or in my case, major depressive disorder. Thanks
Unless you suffer from depression or anxiety you will never know what it feels like inside someones mind who does. Period.
Every single human being on this earth has suffered from some form of depression and/or anxiety at some point in their life. I think every single child at some point in their childhood suffers from some kind of sexual/emotional/ and/or physical abuse at the hands of family, friends, or strangers. If you didn't, I think your very lucky. We are all on this crazy ass journey, feed the love and unity.
It's hard to understand unless you have been through severe depression regularly. I would rather deal with physical pain on a daily basis than depression any day. I deal with both and it sucks. But I have my kids to think about. When you get into a very dark place even family doesn't matter, you just want the darkness to stop. Been there too, luckily unsuccessful.
We lost an incredibly talented musician. Deepest condolences to Chris Cornell's wife, kids, family and friends.
I have social anxiety as well... dear goodness its crippling at times... He was my favorite singer, and i went to see my favorite band Coheed And Cambria. I tipped my waitress for bringing me a water... she returned with tickets to see sound garden and said the venue manager said I deserved it... I woke up a week later to a text from a friend who went to the show with me to see coheed... she told me to not look at the news... I had already opened my phone and spent the entire day crying. 😔 I never got to see him but thank goodness we have his albums and videos.
arghh I'm Joe Rogan and I have a black belt in everything!
Lol, you're acting like he was just given that at birth.
TheBigBenji legend has it he came out of the womb swinging a kettlebell
Sawyer Rice aaand you're probably a gamer. Who's a fat fuck. Must be nice to be a piece of shit.
Sawyer Rice+ That's how he busted out.
Saul Good
I think it's time everyone realizes Seattle's music scene was cursed.
What a great conversation!
Damn I can't believe I just started listening to this guy music the last few days wow good voice
"The obstacle IS the path." ~Zen proverb. Maybe for Chris he felt at a dead end after he achieved everything he wanted in life.
Shouldn't have even touched on the subject.
I agree, I just wish that people who don't understand depression, or who have never experienced it, would just avoid talking about it and just fucking listen instead.
What Rogan also fails to see in all of this, is that Grunge was the music for the 'depressed'. Soundgarden provided a place for depressed people to hide-out for a while and understand that they were't alone in the world, and that even a guy as successful as Cornell still had to deal with major issues in his life (ditto Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam).
There's a very real danger when these kinds of 'life-lines' for many people, extinguish themselves from existence that some fans will follow; feeling that the one anchor in their life that helped them to deal with their problems, is gone, and the sense of hopelessness that will come with the loss.
I agree completely. Cornell was a voice for all of us depressed weirdos. Staley too.
Indeed!
It is something that needs to be talked about though.
fucking moron. why shouldn’t people discuss things they don’t understand? clown
Thank you for posting this. Really thank you. 💛👍🏻
Liked the convo, thanks guys. RIP CC
2003 my heart stopped in an ambulance but I lived. The years following I suffered severe anxiety and depression. Sometimes my depression would get so dark that it would cause me physical pain so intense that only sleep could cure it....and often times only ativan could put me to sleep. Depression is a very dark thing and unless youve truly experienced it, you couldnt understand. I agree with Rogan...if you can exercise it will help greatly but if youve got a weak heart like myself, thats not an option. Youve gotta dig deep and exercise your mind spiritually. Its your only option
I’ve found a new life in psilocybin... the internal battle of death by my own hands is over...
The last 6 months of my life have a new meaning that I can’t explain and don’t care to...but I do know without doing what I’m doing I would of been yet another horrendous statistic of suicide...
9 years ago today almost same age same drug... in the bathroom ...but no rubber band... I woke up but cost me so much.... struggling today but you nailed it. Get out of you head & into your body. 1st day back & banging the bag...
Just do it...thanks for the deep thoughts.
R.I.P. Chris. Soundgarden shall be played in abundance this weekend
David Murphy I play sound garden and audioslave a lot more!
I've had suicidal thoughts most of my life... I try to keep myself occupied so i'd stop thinking about it... but the idea eventually returns. Why am I the way I am?
Wished I knew...
You're not alone
It depends on why you have the thoughts. I have them for a few reasons...the #1 being having multiple people in my head and trying to hold them all back is too much.
I felt suicidal today but watching this made me feel better. Thank you Joe Rogan.
Nice pep talk Joe, I will embrace the struggle just got to wake up early n get my workout on!!
I understand what they are saying here, but one thing they are leaving out is that depression is sometimes caused by a chemical imbalance that we cannot control. Sometimes it's even genetic, meaning that mental illness runs in some families. But yes, they are on the right track when they say exercise can help to lessen the symptoms of depression. Exercise works wonders for me. They also mentioned hobbies. Getting involved in hobbies can also improve a person's mental health.
Exercise and hobbies help. But that stops working when the depression gets really bad, and you stop feeling any enjoyment from the things that you liked, and working out while in that state feels like torture, its so much more difficult to do.
It wasn't planned. These type of events, for lack of a better explanation, is sometimes compared to a sneeze. It accidental and cannot be stopped. It's a perfect storm of depression, mis-diagnosis, the wrong medication, with a mix of other things........
I really needed to watch this right now
Struggle is not what someone who has lost hope needs, they need purpose.
Unless you live with depression everyday of your life you have no clue what depression or suicidal thoughts are. Depression sees no color, status, gender. Unless you have it, or live with someone who has it, you don't understand the struggle. Exercise doesn't help everything. These guys talked about situational depression...try living with it on a day to day basis.
There are days where I want to get out and work in my garden, or go for a walk, or take a shower....anything but laying in bed and sleeping. To wrestle with your mind so you can get out of bed, and then feeling worse because there's no way.
"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" .... don't you think I would if I could? I've learned to live with the stigma and being called names or told "I'm faking it". It was the first step in helping me get through a major episode.
You guys don't know what you're talking about.
No one cares.
@@milkinthesky687 cho bitch ass up pussy boy
Yeah I rolled my eyes everytime they came up with a "100% guarantee" depression fix
I think she means he didn't kill himself
@@skeletonjones1 I mean the guest and Joe have so little personal experience in regards to depression. When they talk about it, they're completely out of their depth and accidentally come off as insensitive. If Bill Burr was on this episode, he would've been like "okay hold on, we don't know what the fuck we're talking about, I'm not just gonna play amateur psychoanalyst. This is sensitive stuff."
I know how depression is I been there It affects people differently I still can't believe Chris Cornell is gone r. I. p. man your truly missed you was the best Singer out there an still are in my book
I’m so scared right now, I’m in a very severe depression, not eating or sleeping well and my mind is racing and full of regret and fear. I’m barely holding on
I can say it's rare when I disagree with Joe on much. I usually agree or at least see his reasoning on most topics. This is one where he should of just paid respect and moved on. I'm not angry, his heart was in the right place, however, I believe true intelligence is knowing how little you actually know on any certain subject. Grow and learn from this mistake, as I'm sure you will anyway, which is why I respect you to begin with.
Spot-on. Nailed it.
He literally said over and over again how he doesn't understand it. I'm sure you've never had a discussion candidly about something you're not fully understanding of though right? Intelligence is also being able to comprehend what's being said and clearly you lack the intelligence to understand the context of this conversation Joe was having.
he doesn't understand it but then does not try to even comprehend what could possible be going through the mind of someone who has battled depression since he was a teen. "Get a hobby," is not gonna work when you're battling severe depression.
I used to say dumb shit like Joe is saying here... until I had a nervous breakdown. It happened slowly and then all it once. I would feel mild anxiety that I would fight through because I was too tough to need a professional. Then it happened. I had a REAL panic attack. A trip to the hospital kind of panic attack. Just happened at work. After that they just kept coming. I wasn't a human being for an entire year. It's been 2 1/2 years and I still don't drive. I used to take road trips alone. Exercise is great if you feel sad but it's not for someone having a mental health crisis.
He was such a good guy to. Such a legend.
This video was a great reminder of the yawning chasm of experience that lies between myself and the sort of people who have never gone a day without sincerely wishing they were dead. That was awesome. Thanks.
I'll never understand the way people like Joe say "I don't understand why someone would kill them self". Really you can't put yourself in that head space? Let me help. Have you ever been in the middle of a shitty movie and turned it of based only on it being shitty and a waste of time to finish it? You made a choice saying fuck this this is a waste of time and energy I'm moving on. That's what people do when they go through with suicide they made the executive decision to check out of their shitty movie called life.
Kirby Elena What you said doesn't apply just to athletes I think people who find something that works for them want to impose that on everyone's life. Like people who are vegan or on a certain diet say "You gotta do what I'm doing I've lost so much weight and am finally happy!" They act like the information they're giving you it meant to help you but instead they just want to be self congratulatory
Colin Dye this is a terrible comment
oafinfwawinv like many other people and myself have stated. You can't understand these thoughts of you've never had them. I commented this to help other people understand why someone would kill them self. So if you want to say what I said was terrible you have every right to say so.
Max Robert End the hard part. I'm not encouraging suicide I'm trying to help people understand what these thoughts are like. I live with them everyday. It sucks and one day I may kill myself but that's my doing
doug stanhope made a bit that sounds alot like what you wrote. he used the same analogy of life being like a movie. look it up on youtube, "doug stanhope suicide" he said literally almost exactly what you said.
Just throwing this out there: You can't really understand depression unless you're a mental health professional or you've gone through it yourself. I used to have all sorts of opinions about depression until one day it hit me and knocked me on my ass. I then realized how I didn't know shit. I also realized how absolutely miserable I was to the point where it took everything I had not to put a bullet in my brain. It wasn't about being weak or unable to deal with the real world, it was being in such a dark place and in so much emotional stress to the point where you don't see any feasible escape aside from ending your life. It's easy to talk about how you just need to exercise or pick up a hobby, but when your lizard brain takes over your ape brain you can't do anything. I don't know what Chris was going through that night, but I know I have been there and hope to never be there again. I know that Cornell was a legend and that his death has hit me harder than any other before him. We'll miss Chris, thanks for the music.
It's weird to be here this much later and still not feel different.
when I feel down I go and shoot my bow a couple hundred times
Exercise cured my depression. For those out there in the struggle, try and stick to it. Don't quit, the first week is tough cause of muscle soreness but by your third month you'll thank yourself for not quitting.
Thanks but it doesn’t cure everyone’s
@@MelanieRful Indeed, that's likely the case. Studies agree that it cures depression "in some cases." I can only speak for my experience; good luck out there.
@@Frazful it help’s Definitely like in my case. My fears, My anger, My Inner Demons, it ALL can come out at the gym you just gotta pump yourself to do it.
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stop fucking saying "do do". one "do" will always suffice.
to me, it's when you completely feel alone. when you've convinced yourself no one understands you. and that kind of thinking can happen to anybody. i agree with them, everyone needs to connect with things. people, ideas, activities. connections, key to the human condition of survival. if you've lost that then it's easy to be done.
When I was about 11 through 14 years old I used to have suicidal thoughts on a daily basis, but after I started lifting weights I have never been depressed for more than two days in a row. Even if I'm in trouble and feel like there is no way out, I go for a climb or lift some weights, the stress on my mind unwinds and lets me live through another day. Rinse and repeat.
I started getting them after breaking my ankle and still have them now mma training was the only thing keeping me sane 😂😂 its like something wants me to kill myself I feel so hopeless I can't even cry no more I'm so messed up like I've been having these thoughts everyday just thinking should I grab that shotgun under the bed and blow my head off or maybe take all those pills or just cut my wrist or hurt myself some other way idk