Haul out & RUDDER REPAIR before our Pacific Crossing | EP 23 - Sailing Beaver
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
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It's time to haul the Beaver out of the water again this time to make preparations for our Pacific Crossing and also to get her annual beauty treatment. We have previously noticed some play on our rudder, so this time we decided to take it off, inspect it properly and change the bearings. Lucky we did, as to our surprise we discovered water inside the rudder and corrosion on the shaft connection. Check out the video to see how it all turned out.
A couple from Australia and Norway who set sails from Norway on a Beneteau Oceanis 40 in late 2018 to explore the world by sailboat. (Yup, another sailing couple doing the standard route and documenting it on film.)
Sam & Nicole
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00:00 - Intro
02:01 - Disconnecting rudder
06:20 - Rudder bearings
08:10 - Rudder inspection
14:35 - New through hull
18:55 - Rudder repairs
21:50 - New rudder bearing
23:11 - Autopilot control arm paint
24:10 - Rudder repairs
24:43 - End of day 4
26:34 - Sanding
29:07 - Painting
32:56 - Splash day
Thanks to all for tuning in and all your kind comments, we truly appreciate it. Was quite a long one this time but that’s boatjobs and boatyards for ya.. Catch you all on the next one, plenty to come as we make our way to the Pacific. 🤙
Dear guys, love your vids, about the repair, never use chopped mat with epoxy, they don’t bond together very well, water will get there very quick and patch can come off as the bonding is weak.
Chopped mat bonds only with polyester or vinylester resin.
Only use type E fiberglass for that type of repair with epoxy.
Also if you notice water in your composite, you must dry the laminate before repair, an easy way is to use a small vacuum pump and with a suction cup fitting put it over the hole you just drilled.
Let it run for a couple of days, the water will evaporate fast under vacuum.
If pump is not available let it dry on the sun as much as you can open.
Here is how I suggest you to do it:
1 - taper down your walls for about an inch or so where is possible
2 - buy a methacrylate glue (always keep it in stock in your boat
Methacrylate glue bonds very good metal to composite even on dirty surface)
The glue usually comes with a nozzle that premix as it comes out, try to push the glue around the rudder shaft.
With a spatula coated for about 1/8 of an inch, and put back the core you just removed in the same place.
3-once dry (10 min about) start to laminate layer by layer with type E and epoxy, each patch has to be size of the missing layer and as you fill the hole the patch became bigger and bigger until you are flash with the rudder surface.
You should always keep type E fiberglass, Methacrylate glue, and epoxy in your boat.
Get a small vacuum pump if you want to do a structural repair it comes very handy.
If need help on the go just email me at hdramisino at gmail dot com.
Cheers
Well said , you know your stuff, but that is really not a blue water boat , its a coastal cruiser and built like one
That was well worth the 40 minutes, thanks so much for sharing, and the repairs/removal were very informative. Thanks again Sam and Nicole.
No worries glad you enjoyed 🤙
Such a great video. You are a good team. Well done!
Nice work guys!
Cheers legends 🤙
Enjoyed that guys. After helping out Sailing Sunday with their rudder we kind of had a déjà vu moment. Sail Safe Guys, Ant, Cid & the pooch crew.
Cheers guys, take care
That 'bearing' looks like a sleeve or a shim?
Nice job on the rudder. Hope she worked out well for y'all.
Many thanks, really appreciate this episode, I’ve learnt a ton 👏 👏
Love it.
That was a great episode. Had my fingers crossed that the rudder was put in again without too much stress and trouble.
Fan-tastic!
You guys are cool.! Nice work!
Another great video Sam and Nichole! I really liked the music track in this one... You have made so many helpful and informative videos for the Oceanis 40 that complete the most challenging jobs that most folks rely on good boatyard riggers and mechanics to address. Let's see now, you did the engine shaft cutlass bearing, mounts and alignment, installed the Hydrovane, solar, wind genset, and now the rudder repair and bearing sleeve. Pretty amazing.. I'm sure you have saved a lot of dough by performing the work yourself while ensuring that it is done right (Sam, you obviously know what your are doing as well as any mechanic I've seen..) You are such an inspiration for all of us who own a Beneteau Oceanis from 40' to 50' of our vintage (2007-2012). You've even inspired me to drop 20 pounds so that I can more easily get access to my rudder post without getting stuck! For those of us who own the 40' in particular, it really makes us love the boat even more and not be too afraid of major ocean sailing. We completed the trip to the Bahamas, next is Annapolis, then the BVI's. Thanks a bunch! :-)
Thanks so much for your very kind words Randy, glad to have you as a viewer. I think we have learnt a lot along the way but to be honest I don’t think we could have afforded to get this work done by professionals so maybe we learnt some things out of necessity. Few more jobs in the pipeline too. Take care mate fair winds 🤙
Well done guys. Dusty hard work and it has paid off. Looking forward to the next part of your adventure.
Thanks 🙏. Sure was tough in that yard.
Great team you do.
Cheers 🤙
Nice job, glad it went smoothly!
Cheers 🙏
Great she’s back in ship shape hope to see more of your adventures soon
Thanks mate 🙏
Good stuff guys. She’s definitely ready for the Pacific. Look forward to that journey.
Cheers a Bryan, she sure is. Take care 🤙
Glad to see you got the boat work done and your back in the water.
Same here, was a big project!
Great job!
Cheers 🤙
Very nice job. It always feels great to accomplish a project like that, and builds confidence & understanding of your steering system.
Good footage & editing as well.
Cheers David. Glad we tackled it and we sure learnt a lot. 🤙
Great episode guys
Cheers 🤙
Great Video Guys. . . .
Really enjoyed the info/steps to repair and paint the bottom.
Safe Travels.
Cheers from Melbourne, Australia
Cheers mate, appreciated and glad you got some info out of it. Fair winds 🤙
Great job good luck inthr Pacific
Thankyou sir! 🤙
I think that all of the planning, thought & pre-effort is what made the time on the hard work so well. So glad that the Swedish gentleman was so willing to assist in the rudder stock rebuild- what a lifesaver! But, a ton of hard work, sweat equity & now a rock solid rudder assembly should allow for a smoother passage across the Pacific! I really can't believe how smoothly the poop chute through hull went. Just Saying! No one, and I mean no one gets away from a completely crappy poop through hull. Replacing the hose 2 years ago made a HUGE difference! Hahahaha
Thanks David. Your right indeed a very kind friend gentleman to help us with our rudder. There’s likely a kind Swedish sailor in most anchorages around the world ready to lend a helping hand. 🇸🇪 🤙
Isn't it great when a plan comes together - Fair winds & following seas . Good yard using mats under the slings .
Cheers mate fair winds! 🤙
Hello. Loved the content. We watch all your videos intently. We just bought a 2011 Oceanis 40 owners version . We live 6 hrs away from where she is at, and I work 6 day/week, we got to sleep two nights on her and then hauled her out for a bottom job. It should get splashed tomorrow if all goes well. We are super excited about getting her home. We have learned so much from your channel. Thank you for sharing your adventure. Keep it coming! After watching this episode, I was shocked when I looked at the length. It seemed like it was only 20 minutes long. As they say, time flies…….. Blessings from Tx
Great to have you onboard and of course thanks for the kind words. Yeah this episode was quite a long one to fit in all the never ending boatjobs on a haulout. Good luck with splashing your boat and all your adventures ahead! 🤙
It must feel good getting it all done and seeing it go back in the water we'll done
It’s sure did! Was a big relief. Cheers 🤙
ABSOEFFINLUTELY FANTASTIC JOB!!
Give yourselves a pat on the back. I don’t think you could have paid anyone to do a better job. Whew! Good on you both, well done. If I ever get a boat that needs work I’ll hire you both! Lol. Great vid. Be safe, fair winds!
Thankyou mate, we were definitely relieved to have all the work done and be back in the water. Was a busy few days.
Cheers 🤙
Just binged the entire adventure. I’ve avoided most “cruising” couples, but I really enjoy your videos and adventures. I would be really interested in your rig sometime, I want a cutter in a modern yacht (very hard to find) and would love to see your custom cutter rig.
Thanks for the kind words mate, appreciated and glad you enjoyed. The inner forestay definitely gives more options in stronger wind and we should have a vid to show more of it soon. 🤙
hi guys glad to see you again, I thought you may have had tight fit with sika flexing the bearing in , and not using the shaft to spread the surface of split copper bearing ,glad it worked well for you great video ,cheers rob nz .
Cheers mate, yeah we thought the same but we couldn’t reinstall the rudder until the boat was hoisted quite high so decided to do the bearing first and allow the sika to cure. With the Teflon coating it slid in quite well.
Hey guys great to see that you made it to Fiji. I was a little concerned they may have closed the blue lane due to the worsening covid situation. Unfortunately I suspect you won't be able to enter NZ but I guess you will be able to return to Aussie. On the subject of rudders you may be aware of a Beneteau that lost it's rudder mid pacific due to a short on a wire running back to electronics near the wheel. The current was running down the rudder shaft and in to the sea resulting in electrolysis of the shaft that was so bad the rudder snapped off. Something to look out for. Good luck for the future.
Thanks mate we are glad to be safe n sound after a bumpy crossing. Fiji is very hospitable and we hope to proceed to either Kiwi or Aus in the future. Interesting you mention this video from Hilma and one of the main reasons we wanted to drop the rudder and we triple checked these compass light wires just to be sure, very interesting video that was could have saved us big problems.
Cheers
Thanks your video. I have that sama problem in my oceanis 40. Can I just change skin fitting only?
THIS IS THE WAY! Sail on my Beaver friends!!
Yew 🤙
Yew 🤙
Bra jobbet, god tur videre 😊😊😊😊
Tusen takk! 👍
So good to see you again. Wish I could get some Jotun product across to you. Good as it gets, Nicole as I'm sure you'll agree !!.
My Brother in law is the UK agent for Jotun
Glad you're safe and well. Best of care..
LOL x
We agree, Jotun is the best!! I (Sam) have used Jotun quite a lot on large commercial vessels and it’s top quality. Take care 🤙
@@SailingBeaver Our hearts are with you crossing the Pacific. you're doing amazing stuff,xx
she reminds me of Emily from Flying Sparks Garage
Great video. I take my hat off to you for the work you undertook in such a short period of time and the jobs you are prepared to tackle. I assume you had that bearing already with you.
Also wanted to ask how was the season overall? 2020 had a very high number of hurricanes and tropical storms with more tracking south than in previous years, so how were you affected and did you have to shelter at any time?
Thanks.
Thanks for the kind comment. Yes we had the bearing and parts with us which helps. That’s true there was a large number of storms but we stayed in the area from Martinique and south which worked out fine with a good eye on the weather.
Pretty informative one (non sailor here). May I ask where does the water (if any) in the “bilge” would come from (mast? Thru-holes?) and how often do you guys pump it out? Safe winds (or whatever I should have wished to you :-)
Great work taking it all apart and reinstalling, looks fantastic!! How much play was noticed in the rudder before hall-out, did the top bearing need any parts or work? Cheers⛵️😊⛵️
Thanks guys, was 2-3mm play and a noticeable knock before the bearing change. Top bearing was fine and impossible to remove with that mastic so we left it. 🤙
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Have you thought about a Hydrovane or similar for self steering and emergency rudder....?
Sure have, we actually installed one before our big Atlantic crossings. Here is the installation ua-cam.com/video/kqZltv29IjI/v-deo.html
Great vid! Do u understand the physics on how water is kept out of the rudder tube/ rudder bearings? Is there a rubber seal in there? Just wondering.thx
Thankyou! On our arrangement it does not exactly seem watertight at the lower bearing so probably just the fact the top bearing is snug around the shaft and well above the waterline.
Hey Sailing Beaver, nice vid! I'm curious what were the reasons you decided to change the rudder bearings. Did you have some vibrations or play in the helm?
Thanks 😊. No vibrations but had some play maybe a few mm either way and the bearing was no longer secured to the tube. Also just to inspect and overhaul all the parts ahead of our big pacific crossing.
Hi, we went out also in Cariacou some years ago. Living on the boat was not so easy since there were no showers or toilets on the warf, even getting some water was difficult… but one for us important question: why did you change this tru hull ? Our boat is now eleven years (same as yours bit 43) and we never changed it since it is synthetic and we did not sea the need to change this one. On the contrary we changed all other tru hulls
Ah nice to hear and a good practical yard. There was bathrooms and showers when we were there although very basic. We changed as there was a very small crack in the thread of the thru hull and the valve had become very stiff and we carried spares for this so a good chance to change both together.
Can anybody tell me if it’s necessary to put some sort of ceiling around the bearing. In the video that shows that he just pull the bearing down for the screwdriver and fingers. Please let me know.
Sikaflex was used to seal the bearing in place.
What procedures do you follow for polishing the folding prop, looks amazing00. ? Do you use an angle grinder with nylon polishing pad to remove the barnacles first? Thanks in advance.....I've got a folding prop on a new (used) boat I'm buying in UK, so that's a job I've got very soon. 🙂
Hi Graham! In the past we have just used a liitle hand scraper to get the all the barnacles off first, that way you can get into all the little corners. Then sand it with fine sandpaper 1000-1200 grit before polishing it all by hand. But I guess you with can do it the way you said too
@@SailingBeaver thanks for the advice, just one final question what hand polishing paste / compound have you found successful ?
Hi guys. My GF and i just purchased a 2007 Benteau Oceanis 43. Im looking for the part number for the rudder bearings. I understand the benetil 43 and 40 have the same rudder, but I cannot find anywhere on their parts website a part number or diagram depicting the (bronze top and bottom) bearings. Do you have the part number for the bearing that you installed in this video? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Ian
Hey, I don’t have a copy of the parts number anymore but the easiest option is to sign up to the beneteau USA spare parts website and search the model. Or alternatively contact a beneteau dealer and they can track down and order the exact part. Hope that helps.
Upspeak
I hate to worry you guys, but that rudder is already fully water logged and is going to be big problems in the near future. Even if you completely open one full side and let it dry for months, it still won’t dry out. That means that the holes you also drilled on the bottom are going to do basically nothing…. I’ve have done that job on several, and is the same story on all of them. Please check this series from Boat a works Today ua-cam.com/video/MRXNnFx7DBQ/v-deo.html
Appreciate the concern on that, although we don't totally agree. To some extent all rudders will have some water but this one wasn't full of water as you say. Unfortunately the design of stainless shaft and GRP rudder will never completely seal the join and allow ingress so it should be expected really. The foam was all in good shape so we went about stiffening and sealing the top rather then a longwinded rebuild having only 7 days on land to get it done. A replacement from Beneteau is around €3K so that was our second option. Checked out the video but not super relevant without the stainless blade or shaft (strange rudder actually). Thanks for your feedback anyway.
What are the cargo ships saying no to?
Not sure there champ?
Great 👍.
How about an American version now!!
Ha! Unfortunately we don’t speak American mate!
Nice job ! What a pain in the ass butt cheaper than paying for it and better
Why did your program start with number 23?
There’s 22 more mate
Those things you keep calling bearings are really bushings. Not Bearings. haha
Mate…a bushing is a bearing! 😏
What a nice fucking video. thanks for giving the insights mate
Cheers mate no worries!
Ship shape.
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Men va? Är du från Norge? Det höres inte alls. Du låter lika australiensisk som han 🙏🤟🏻
Haha ja jeg er norsk🇳🇴 Har blitt smitta med hans late engelsk🙈
@@SailingBeaver 🙉😅
No way you got rid off all of the water in just 2 days. This is gonna be a big problem in the future, trust me.
Would be silly to say any rudder is totally free from water, but having peeled back until finding no more de-lamination, inspected the welds and stiffened with a solid epoxy layup at the top we are satisfied she’s in a much better condition and further water ingress prevented.
@@SailingBeaver good luck. Hope you are right. Keep in mind that there is still lots of salt water in there, which over time will corrode the shaft. I would, at least, have drilled several holes in the bottom of the rudder to drain most of the water, before laminating the top part of it. But this only might slow down corrosion.
Yes we drilled some drain holes in a few places and in total it sat 6 days hanging in open sunlight. It was quite easy to determine the extent of water ingress and other then replace the rudder this was the best option available to us.
@@SailingBeaver ah, okay. This wasn’t explained in the video, so i made wrong assumption. Sorry 🙈
more damage done to the rudder than what was there.
Obviously not if we repaired the de-lamination, stiffened the neck and shaft and then sailed it 10K miles down to New Zealand. We hauled in NZ and found no further de-lam or water and still solid as a rock.