Mercedes EV Shock: Will keep building PETROL engines into 2030s! | MGUY Australia
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Rust in Peace EVs and Good Bye to the SCAM.
Ashes to Ashes. 😊
They are doing their best, even the stainless steel Cybertruck.
David Bowie...@@tonynewcombe9075
EV's are winning, and will be the victor.
This is about selling what you have. If people got the impression that fossile Mercedes would not be produced in 2030. The fossile cars they produced would sell less.
As a billioner in Norway always says :"Sell the berries you have".
And a scam it is . However when some clever sod discovers how to replace batteries , I'll be first in the queue .
The EV experiment is failing! Buy one at your own risk!
Just heard about an all new Kia EV9 for $109,000; or how about a Hyundai Ioniq N for $115,000?
Seriously what type of moron is buying these things? 🤪
Soon it'll be buy one get one free.
ahhahahahah@@satanssurfer5965 yea and you will not desire neither.
All vehicle manufacturers wishing to survive the future will need to continue producing ICE cars. EV manufacturers are already falling by the wayside.
Many Chinese brands are disappearing because they've lost subsidies.
Sir John. THAT was always part of the plan. To cripple existing manufacturers
Porsche intend to do so! They have helped negotiate a loophole in the 2035 ICE ban.
I can sort of understand why manufacturers decided to go with the EV technology , but I don’t understand why they didn’t do the maths especially with regard to price . Costs are usually at the forefront of any business model . But in fairness I ultimately lay the blame on governments who have pushed and pushed at this issue , as to who will pick up the bill in the long run is yet to be seen . But I can see many companies not managing to survive this exercise .
@@Mc674boMost likely that was the point.
The whole push is ultimately to try and remove a vehicle/ vehicles from the average family.
I doubt the car manufacturers realize that, if they go along with it, most of them will cease to be big names
I seriously don't want an electric AMG. The whole purpose is the theatre of the car. The sound is a huge part of this. I like gearboxes. I love my petrol S Class. And an EV is useless in rural Australia, especially for towing.
Likewise with my RS3 👍
Same. What's the point of an electric muscle car?
AMGs are the very pinnacle in GT class racing.Simply the best.
Similar. They will have to prise my 335d xdrive out of my cold dead hands.
I thought the whole of Australia was "rural." 😂
Oh you’re listening to your customers now Mercedes? Genius.
Nope, they're listening to their investors.
@@AcemeistreAnd the investors know just how silly this EV push is.
@@Eidolon1andOnly the investors only care about profit, not whether they get it it from ICE or EV.
@@Acemeistre And the investors determined that EVs aren't profitable. LMAO!
@@Eidolon1andOnly aren't profitable in their current guise, but it has been proven by Volvo, BYD and Tesla that it is possible as they do make a profit on every vehicle sold, so clearly investors are thinking in the short term.
If an automotive company wants to remain in business past 2030, I suggest they continue working on their ICE.
"auto" in Greek means "self" ... cars are not living beings to be a 'self'. I still agree with you though.
Who knew demand dictates supply and not the other way around? 🤷🏻♂️😂😂😂
I wonder how Jaguar are feeling about their stated ALL ELECTRIC future? The masters of their own demise.
I'd like to think that they are, right now, surgically reviewing that particularly ridiculous policy. When I bought my new Jaguar XE (petrol, natch) about a year ago the dealer was all gung-ho about EVs and seemed perplexed when I said definitely not. I do hope that Jaguar follows MB in a rapid volte-face, otherwise the XE could well be my first and last Jag.
I don't expect anything less from GB. They've all become prisoners like Patrick McGoohan
@@plantfeeder6677 Crikey! You must be older than I am!!!
We've bought nothing but Jags over the past 15 years - XE, E-Pace, several F-Types. They've now lost us as customers, owing to their EV agenda. Next car will be a Merc or Porsche.
Wasn't Jaguar already in the toilet?
I still don't want a car that spontaneously combusts and burns my house down.
Why not? Are you racist? 😂
A bike or public transport for you then my guy. 🚴🤝
I guessing your typing that on your spontaneously combusting phone.
Oh what , it hasn't caught fire. Wow. Maybe most EV's don't either, except in your imagination
@@stewart5989A phone doesn't fully encapsulate a person and is a lot easier to deal with if it were to catch on fire than a car.
@@AcemeistreICE vehicles don't spontaneously combust. EVs by their very design and manufacture are prone to thermal run away and spontaneous combustion.
I remember in the late 1980's when Los Angelas had the thickest, creepiest looking smog over it that I've ever seen over a city in the USA. Since then, regulations and technology has greatly mitigated the pollution that gas cars produce. We have finally "figured out" gas cars, so now that we've finally got them down, governments want to just throw them away. It makes no sense. It will lead to less freedom to travel, and if that's the plot, the fools up top will weaken themselves with the silly belief that control is power, and not widespread prosperity.
You need to understand - this agenda is very little to do with the environment. If you listen to Simon he says it's deeply politically motivated....now, what you need to do is find out exactly where and how this agenda was launched. Then you'll understand what is happening
this is the one fact that stands out to me, by a certain date, they want all cars to have remote stop switches built in which for that rare car chase would be a benefit. EVs are easily remotely turned off. ICEs not so easy to keep them with this function, much easier to bypass if installed. different countries have different deadlines for this to implemented, how does a remote engine stop/kill switch help the environment? it doesn’t it is like the 2+ years of lockdown it is an exercise in control as lockdowns made things worse.
Obviously, you,weren't around in the 1960s LA. Still, I would take that over the current brain pollution any day.
Its more about control than the environment
Mitch McConnel of US politics, sister in law drowned a few days ago when her TESLA locked it's doors & ran her into a dam or lake, strange but true...@@marknasia5293
The problem for me is that a brand that announces all EV then backtracks, is a brand I'll turn away from. Those companies are run by stupid woke CEOs who really dont understand their loyal customer base.
You mean don't have a crystal ball into the minds of fickle customers.....
The big car companies ain’t stupid, they will say what ever the governments around the world want to hear while simultaneously do what ever it takes to keep their profits rolling in.
Just because they announce something doesn’t mean they have any real intention of doing it.
they think that EV’s are here to stay but will only be a small part of the market,
elite rich people who do low mileage will want a flash top of the range model.
The Middle class in superbas will want a small EV to run to the shops and back.
[so it is worth developing the market for that]
But Everyone else who has to travel to go to work and actually do anything will need an ICE vehicle.
If those CEO's can't do there job properly they should be kicked out and replaced with one who does understand the customer and their market.
Its like Rolls Royce abandoning the V12 and going all electric - that customer base doesn't buy swiss watches that are digital do they !
Not sure about 'woke' .When the government offers you untold £billions , take it, and ask questions later .
@@jenna2431 Nothing fickle about seeing through an obvious scam .
Have you noticed that pro-EV media and organisations are now combining EVs and hybrids together when reporting sales performance. For example the German report you covered said that that they expect 2024 sales were static compared with 2023, but that lumped the two technologies together. I suspect that if broken down that would be made up by an increase in hybrid sales and a decrease in EV sales.
Just like covid fudging the figures to push their agendas and thinking everyone is too dum to notice.
Finally someone else is noticing this too!
Have you noticed that the demand for hybrids is increasing at a rapid rate? Atkinson cycle engines and small batteries are what sensible people are buying rather than BEV's.
I actually wonder how long this BEV "total adoption" fantasy can last. By the way, I'm not anti EV, but they are not a be all and end all solution to any problem that we face.
They're merely an option as to where you want to spend your money and where you want to send you CO2.
Thanks for pointing this out, i sorta noticed but didn't think further on it... my thought highways were in a traffic jam....
crazy while diesel sales booming..people have realised the scam is all about controlling how far you can travel etc etc
Once all the government money is gone, nobody can afford these boondoggles.
Germany has already cut their new EV subsidies,the British government is now intending to put road tax on EVs which is just the start of revenue gathering to replace the one from ICE.
Westminster council is hyping up the cost of public parking for EVs.
@sbeers88 Bro, That's naïve. The government doesn't have any money. All it has is YOUR money.
This is the huge argument about the government funding wealthy people buying EV (through rebates and subsidies) using lower class workers tax money
@@CosmicSeeker69 In the UK 10% of the largest incomer pay 60% of the total income tax contributions.
52% of EVs sold in the UK are company cars which can be of any income,then you look at most city minicab vehicles are either EVs or hybrids are you tarring them under the wealthy tag.
Yeah but those 10 percent are The Most Wealthy, you said it yourself, so they still have plenty of money after the taxman has grabbed them, whereas people on lower incomes have barely anything before the tax is taken
There are still more than a few cities, even in Western countries, where tailpipe emissions from modern ICE vehicles are cleaner than the air their engines are ingesting.
Imagine a car being in somewhere like New Delhi lol 💀
I'm not calling you a liar. I would love to see someone do a study of this. Can you imagine if they came to the conclusion that ICE cars were putting out cleaner air than they took in. Would be absolutely hilarious.
@@icedriver2207but if it were ever to be true, even by a little bit, the news would be hidden as it would be inconvenient as tax and, oh movement tax (ulez) is pinned on emissions.
@@icedriver2207 - That's why they push CO2 as a "pollutant."
The biggest problem is the CO2 so that argument is misleading at best, more likely deliberately deceptive.
Modern ICEs are marvels of technology, fine tuned and developed for a century by the best eengineers. ICEs will still be around for at least another century.
We won't but _they_ will!
That used to be the case in the last few decades. But now the greedy auto makers churned out cars with cheap wearable parts in order to sell more cars. I don't think EV is the future but hopefully that would be a wake up call for ICE car manufacturers.
@@duydatydsThey are greedy as the world's population increases there will be more demand but that is not good enough so they build in obsolescence.
Great statement I agree 😊
I seriously hope so. I plan on driving my 6.2Lt HSV Commodore, (worked to 655bhp), untill I die!
This whole EV debacle is a glaring example of why governments should butt out of everything.
I'm just wondering if the EV revolution is more about centralized control rather than greenhouse gases or something.
It’s about control and limiting movement amongst the masses. They are trying to revert back to feudal times, in terms of information and travel, keep the people in the dark and feed them propaganda, than limit travel so you can’t see what is going on for yourself. It’s a no brainer to understand once ICE’s are gone it will be so easy to limit travel, all government needs to do is claim there is a power shortage and charging stations need to be shut down temporarily so people can heat and light their homes. We’re already experiencing power shortages, once they close down enough coal/ gas fired generating plants we are at the mercy of government and corporations when it comes to travel.
Everything the Elite propose is about eliminating our freedoms in the hope of introducing a one world government. Their plan is failing because it isn't based on truth.
it is all about control. agenda 21 agenda 30. "you will own nothing" "15min cities"
If the government assholes are calling it a conspiracy, then it is fact.
Anything the government gets involved in is about control. Governments want to limit your travel, once they're killing the automobile they'll go after air travel next.
Do not wonder. You are correct.
You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of reality. They'll never admit to their stupidity. They'll pretend like it didn't happen.
Exactly!
Watch, they will never admit they goofed just burry it
True!
I see a huge parking lot away from buildings filled with redundant EV,s
Consumer is always right
Not always, on this, a thunderous yes.
Yup, that is why ICE sales are up exponentially over the past 3 years and ICE sales down 20% worldwide.
Informed consumer. Consumers are buying these junk EV's.
I wish we had a press core. I would love for them to look into all those electric cars hillery bought instead of using the money to protect our diplomats. Do they even work? How many miles have they been driven? Do they even know where they are?
I keep getting Tesla advertisements when I watch your videos! Ha ha!
I click it to make em pay 🤑💰
Here in Japan, I often get Nissan EV ads on UA-cam with this site.
Why dont you use Ublock. No more ads. Ive had it for over 10 years.
Remember when Tesla said they didn't need to advertise their cars. How times have changed.
why dont u have premium? you broke? no way i'de have you tube without it.
Go woke and go broke
EVs are woke
*get woke go broke
@@Benjamin_Gellmanmeh. Go woke is catchier IMO.
Woke and gay
EVs are about the green deal utopia which we are supposed to pay for, while elites, politicians are swanning around in their jets and petrol guzzlers.
@@Benjamin_Gellman So I'm not the only one to correct people. F the EV morons. I'll stick to my 6.2Lt HSV Commodore at a worked 655bhp!
As I scraped the ice from my car this morning in late February, I did wonder where all the global boiling went.
An excellent, calm, measured, video on the demise of the 'Big Con' EVs......Keep it up, you will prevail!
Yesterdays Cuba was renowned for its fine collection of well maintained vintage cars on its roads, maybe Europe will become 'yesterdays Cuba' 50 years from now.
I could see it going that way, only problem is the tyrants in European government who hate poor people and are trying to outlaw so-called "old" cars by any means necessary.
Vintage on the outside. Due to US embargoes and the unavailability of spare parts, they were powered by Soviet diesels. We had the same thing with all of the European and American vehicles left in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, after '75.
In America as well.
Interesting point... of what it portends.
Thanks for that info.@@maifantasia3650
Mercedes Benz made some pretty good trucks over the years but their cars not so much. I know a few mechanics that love them because they kept them in business back in the day. Oh and it won't be long before Shipping Companies will get sick of their ships catching fire.
They've made some excellent cars over the years, but it fell apart pretty badly around the 90's.
My 2013 GLK350 4Matic is alright, small coolant leak started, Chrysler keyless-Go died. Warps rotors if you use cruise or sport mode. I’m a mechanic so I just ignore small problems because I hate working on cars at 60 but I only paid $15,000. It’s the C Class that sucks.
Good point about the shipping industry. To my cost I know that already some vehicle transport ships have banned anything with lithium batteries.. The shipping industry is I believe thinking about building a completely new style of ships to move EVs around the world - but, if they see demand falling then that would surely make them think twice?
Their cars were fantastic in the 1980s... And 70s
Best stop transporting ICE on ships then.
The only thing we should be putting batteries in are torches and radios!😅
E scooters and E bikes are always catching on fire and burning things down.
@@beverlymccollum8861...it's so scary and true, I've always wanted an e-bike, thought they were the coolest idea, until I watched so many vids on the batteries suddenly catching fire while charging! Scary how close I came to buy one!
Er... 🐰🐇 👀
@iscadean3607- I took the lithium battery out of my tablet after just a few months because it was failing. Replacing it would have cost almost as much as the (cheapo, Argos 'Bush' 10" screen) tablet, so I converted it to run off mains power via a small transformer.
Result? Bliss! It's just like the good old days, when we could choose how we powered our (primitive, analogue) devices. Battery or mains. Yay.
I loathe the inflexibility, fragility, and ludicrous expense of lithium battery technology.
@@beverlymccollum8861 ...and also lithium-ion batteries for ebikes! I wanted one until I've watched vids EV everywhere of the batteries catching fire while charging !
No surprise Benz made this decision. Visted the Mercedes dealer a week ago and they have so many electric cars on their new car lot. It's was totally packed and obvious that electric cars are not selling well.
They are over $300k here in OZ,,, shitboxes for the price,,,, no value.
Exactly on point. I am no down under but I can see that even for early adopters / pioneers in specific situation ($$$ plenty, home facilities to charge, many more cars at home), 125k is the max rational price @@VK4VO
Where they still demanding a price for an actual Mercedes ?.
Full parking lots don't always indicate sales as some companies are over-producing.
This transition is complex, so drawing conclusions is hard for even those that think they know a lot.
In a recent 2-part video UA-camr Mark McCann tried to buy a Porsche GT3RS at a dealer (it's one of those "you have to be on a list to be able to buy one" cars). One dealer told him that they can get him an allocation, but only if he buys 3 (yes, 3) Taycans from them.
If all the car makers got together anf told governments to go fluff themselves what are they going to do about it? Not very much I'm guessing.
only time the auto makers come together against gov is when it is to fuck the citizens over more to put more money in their pocket so the CEO can buy another 50 million dollar yacht.
Also Linux FTW!
I'm beginning to think that they are quietly doing just that...I hope so otherwise they will bankrupt themselves.As we know money talks they should be able to turn the woke Government's around
History repeats itself. Everyone went crazy over quartz watches. Now even the creators like Seiko are focused on making mostly mechanical watches as their main market
I've been wearing the Rolex I bought in 1977 every day since then - 47 years of daily use. The quartz watches that were fashionable in 1977 are no more.
I purchased a mechanical self winding Seiko diving watch a few weeks ago. Best $300 (Aussie) I’ve ever spent.
@@tonydoggett7627 Yeah I lived in Japan for a while so as you imagine the mech watch market is huge.
I had an Apple Watch and also started with a lower end Seiko. Since then I’ve never worn a smart watch. The simplicity and look of mechanical watches is just so much better
Now isn't that some truth.
Wow... and still ticking... yet again evidence indisputable of the quality inventive European mind, thank you God.@@roadie3124
The EV market will stall as most countries do not have sufficient fire-trucks to protect their citizens and their properties.
My favorite is the fire stations that are buying electric fire trucks 😮
As far as the UK is concerned the politicians could not care less about the country's citizens. All they are interested in is themselves!!
ICE cars 5x more likely to catch fire than EVs, and that's from Scandinavian research incorporating older EVs.
@@Eyes0penNoFear between the batteries, and the water tank. I'm curios how many bridges and roads they can't use because they are over weight.
The light aviation industry will be using IC engines for a VERY long time, simply for safety and durability reasons. Electric propulsion is great - providing the power source is either fossil fuel, nuclear, or a combination, since trains (the most obvious form of electric propulsion) have to be reliable, and work all hours, including the night time. Direct grid-supplied electric works, and historically, works very well. Battery electric on the other hand, with certain notable exceptions, has a very considerable way to go.
Except that electric propulsion is useless with battery storage and has been since 1885: energy density.
You forgot about electricity being generated by fossil fuel.
Battery electric is about as good as it can get and doesn't have very far to go to reach its maximum potential. Thermodynamics is a hard limit and there's no possible way to make a battery with the same ebergy density as an equivalent weight of a liquid fuel. Electric motors are also essentially at their maximum with no room for much, if any, improvement for efficiency, and again are limited by physics. Can't make electrons smaller than they already are.
@@Eidolon1andOnly And you can't make atoms much smaller and lighter than lithium. There might be iterative improvements in battery design to come, but the energy density that we have now is the energy density that we'll have in the next galaxy in a trillion years time. Physics. It's a bitch of a mistress.
Only your little municipal commuter trains/subways run electrical lines. Big long distance trains run on diesel electromotive.
EV mandates have caused ICE manufacturers to cut back on emissions research, which was making excellent progress.
My 6 year old Mercedes B Class Diesel (1,461cc) has just passed it's annual test, with much lower tailpipe readings than required by the Euro6 specification, and returns over 70mpg.
30 years ago, engines were much bigger, and used twice as much fuel - you could smell them coming!
70mpg ?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 u living in cloud cuckoo land?
What model uses a tiny diesel engine? We don’t drive those in America. My truck has a 5.9L diesel, we actually move weight.
@@isaachunt5799Get the right additional components to your engine, and that is more than achievable.
EDIT : I initially wasn't going to put this but, you are ignorant of modern technology, and your opinion means nothing!
@@melissasmess2773 The weight is just the occupants 🍔
My van is a 1.6l Multijet. I get 65mpg on a long trip.
The Japanese manufacturer realised this from the outset, sound like the rest of them are finally realising the folly of EV only.
Can you imagine relying on a BEV fleet in a country prone to severe earthquakes?
There are a quite a few companies here, Royal mail and Amazon for example, which have EV fleets. It will be interesting to see what happens when the time comes to replace all those vehicles.
Just means we will be subsidising the electric car manufacturers (Tesla, BYD) under the current rules with carbon credits. Thats the only reason those 2 companies are profitable.
I hope Jaguar also does a U turn. I love Jaguars, but only the supercharged V8 ones.
Reality hits ideology. This is a harbinger for mad Minister Bowen's electric dreams.
Memo to the federal opposition. Promise to repeal Bowen's Ute and SUV ICE tax, and you win the next election, hands down!
Meanwhile EV sales in Australia continue to grow, as does wind, solar and grid scale batteries which are putting coal and gas plants out of business. What the Oz government needs to do is stop subsidising the oil industry. In 2022 the gov collected $11 bn of tax from you in fuel then gave $8 bn of it back to the oil companies to keep two loss making refineries going. Oil companies are brilliant at squeezing money out of governments.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270and the govt doesn't give any money to the wind or solar industry
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 After a decade of relentless promotions and tax incentives , EV 's have a pathetic 7 % of the market.
That means 93% of people did not want an EV.
Government needs to stop interfering in the market like they are doing with pushing unreliable and expensive wind and solar power into a grid that was not designed for variable generation. Wind and solar are destroying our countrysides and bushland , taking up massive land areas , using enormous resources most of which are imported from China , killing countless birds and other wildlife , affecting migrating whales and other marine mammals.
Factor in the cost of transmission , storage ...$15 B snowy hydro 2.0 , thousands of kms of transmission lines , and the fact that solar produces no power every night and wind produces as little as 5% of installed capacity at times and the cost is over a Trillion dollars to replace our coal plants.
That is why our power prices are rising , not falling.
Oil companies are usually independently profitable and don't require subsidies , unlike the wind and solar industry which would not even exist without endless massive subsidies from Governments , which are ultimately paid for by taxpayers. $600,000 for every turbine.
Governments who subsidise alternatives to oil and coal , increase taxes and royalties on coal and oil and gas , then realise that our economy and society will collapse without them , so then they have to assist them to remain in business , which is what is happening in NSW right now , with governments paying our coal generation plants to remain in operation so that we don't have blackouts.
New coal plants are being built all over Asia , and many of them will use our coal to provide cheap reliable power to their citizens.
We should be doing the same , instead of wasting billions on toxic , environmentally damaging , imported turbines, panels and batteries , which will never be able to power our economy without using coal ,gas and or nuclear power.
Wind and solar is an unnecessary duplication , just like EV's.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270Meanwhile EVs remain inferior to ICEVs in every single way.
@@Eidolon1andOnly EVs are superior to ICE you mean...based on my 50 years of car ownership, 45 with ICE now 5 with EVs. No ICE I ever owned could be refuelled overnight while I sleep..No ICE I ever owned can get off the mark so quickly as my EV, no ICE runs as smoothly and quietly as my EV or cost so little to run...No ICE is so responsive to throttle changes as my EV..when you drive an EV in the mountains you will know how superior they are...the smell of burning brakes from descending ICE cars is something that made me smile as I controlled my descent with the regeneration paddle...No ICE car can go 100,000 km without changing brake disc and pads...EV's with 200,000 km are usually still on their original brakes....ICE cars take ages to warm up and hate short journeys...EVs don't care and I can warm my car before I get into it....none of that old tech thrashing about of pistons and valves...I rest my case.
As weak as EV's are, they are not even the weakest factors in this equation. Power generation, transmission and distribution makes EV transportation a very bad proposition. How could they have missed that?
They didn't. Most proposed upgrades are vapour ware and lip service.
No EV evangelist ever wants to talk or engage on that subject....I wonder why 🤔
@@erroneouscode😂
i remember seeing a paper someone wrote months ago who stated if in the USA the US government gave 1/2 the population (in the usa) a free EV then that night when everyone who got one plugged it in it would cause a cascade failure in the grid collapsing the entire grid in North America (Canada,US,Mexico) and the power would be out for maybe over a year if not 1.5Yr for many people (not enough parts to replace stuff).
@@Dratchev241 yeah, I can see something like this down the pipeline
The auto companies are not focused on customer preference. Mercedes is obviously changing direction in support of China's current economic challenges.
I had Merc's. For a number of years and I've never had a problem apart from wear and tear. But in the last couple of years, I've been bombarded with texts and emails almost begging me to by an E.V. 🤦♂️
I have only received an airbag recall by mail. MB doesn’t have my email.
I had a B-Class from 2012. Was quite ok, except for minor issues.
Many people I know had Mercs in the 2000s and they were notoriously unreliable. Especially the ones with Piezo-injection (which was later replaced).
Where did I go wrong in my physics lessons. How can a hybrid be the answer to all this? An engine, generator, battery and electric motor must add so much weight to a vehicle. How can this be efficient?
Engine can run more efficiently. Doesn't allow for much absolute savings, but you can add more comfort for the same power budget.
Compare the Toyota Aygo (light, conventional) with the Prius (heavy, HSD). Prius doesn't significantly save fuel against the Aygo, but it does better than conventional cars of similar size, especially in city traffic.
HSD is also the best automatic gearbox to drive.
I always felt they should let the market decide as if EV’s are so good we will al transfer in time at our own pace. If you have to legislate a technology it really shows it isn’t worth it.
The market has always decided where a product's place is in the world. The government didn't have to intervene to phase out the VHS format or the cassette tape. Why would it be different with EV's?
@@pmonk1177
Yes, you're right. The government is intervening by forcing carmakers with fines to produce EVs. The demand in europe is simply not there, but penpushers don't care. Regular people can also not afford the costs and maintainance of EVs, so they won't last as a means of transportation anyway because of that. Furthermore the electrical grid won't be able to handle the pipedream of every manwomanandhisherdog charging their EVs at the same time.
Exactly. Put a an EV in front of me that out performs an ICE vehicle in my use case for less cost and I know what I'll be buying.
Really nice lawn ornaments ( pls remove all the batteries first) though
I could not understand what these manufacturers were thinking
It’s a pity the car companies just didn’t say no we are not doing it
It is just stupid and will achieve nothing
We know anything the political class want is no good for anyone but themselves
Because governments are threatening the automakers with fines that will bankrupt them unless they comply with the mandates. Automakers are now screwed either way.
@@andyharman3022 problem is the high ups in the automakers are in on the scam. they are part of the "elite" if they wasn't they would all come together and just tell the people "the gov is doing x to us, so we are all closing everything" laying the blame on gov. which in return you would have tens of millions of people looking for the heads of government people. it would be many governments "let them eat cake" moment. (which honestly heads should already have rolled long ago but sadly everyone is a puss with no fight which is why things are so so bad)
@@andyharman3022At some point car manufacturers will fight tooth and nail and will eventually win against this green electric revolution. No doubt vehicle manufacturers are already very suspicious in how green antics are spreading and ruining the world and all of our lives.
They'll be a point when crunchtime will arrive and nobody will be having it anymore, whatever the consequences.
Looks like Toyota was 100% correct not to get too involved in EV rubbish
Me thinks the useless politicians will now go all out to try and ban the car altogether. 😅
California will. They have already made some relatively new diesels undrivable because they only sell biodiesel now. So I enjoy hearing that all hydrogen fueling stations are shutting down in CA. Poor Toyota Mirai owners, all 21,460 of them are hung out to dry. California hates their citizens, they truly despise them.
That is their goal, no more cars, no more vacation with planes, no more cruises etc. Enter 15 minute citys.
They want us back in medieval times
@rhysenna NOT AT ALL FUNNY. This is the bigger plan. Maybe you need to wake up and see it's Not about ICE vs EV but US against them!
@@alanwann9318ultimately they want us culled. Remember how Ponce Philip used to refer to the UK population as 'useless eaters '?
Falling sales and massive losses can be very persuasive .
Consumers will decide what technologies are a success , not car companies and most definitely not UN/WEF/Politicians.
EV's were tried over a century ago and had the same range and recharging worries back then that people are facing today.
Back then lead acid batteries were used and charging them was the biggest problem, batteries over heating.
Range was also an issue as a petrol engine car could still go further and easier to refuel.
Consumers at the time could see that electric cars were not the way to go and development of them stopped and petrol cars were further developed to what we have today.
So is history repeating itself again?
Baker Electric and Detroit Electric were two of the biggest electric car manufacturer's in the US at the time. They both used Edison's nickel-iron batteries.
I don't want a hybrid either mercedes. No one does. They want 6.2L v8s
Exactly they need to wake the f up
My Merc had a 1.6l Diesel engine.
The major marketing point has been how fast evs are over a 1/4 mile. That's how they've tried to sway car people
Will Norway backtrack too? They intend to ban the sale of new diesel and petrol cars in 2025.
... Unfolds chair and grabs a bag of popcorn ?
Only the rich will buy ICE, elites in Norway.
Who cares what one country does..
Norway only became wealthy recently because of the discovery of its oil and gas reserves. All of its new found wealth is due to that. Prior to that, the place was just a fishing village. Maybe they made enough money selling fossil fuels that they can afford to run a grid (off of oil) to produce the electricity to power their cars. The entire country has the population of Brooklyn and Queens, two boroughs in New York city. They could all disappear tomorrow and nobody would notice.
I am old enough to remember when Big Three autos average about 8-10 MPG, and smog was a real problem. Today ICE tech has produced 30-40 MPG autos where nothing leaves the tail pipe save a little CO2 and H2O. ICE is a mature technology, much like the vacuum tubes of the 1970's which were temporarily replaced by solid state devices. But new and improved is not always a better alternative. Hybrid autos, like hybrid amplifiers, are perhaps the best compromise. What do I know; I'm just a tired old man.
Good work, as ever. This sensible outlook from Mercedes is a path that I hope BMW and others will follow. Absolutely bonkers to think EV is the future in less than 6 years time
As I said and many others, let the markets decide. This forced market share with EVs are insane. Sure, if you want a EV, have a crack at it. In time, technology will gradually become in par with ICE.
@@ihavenonamek733That is capitalism, since when have we had capitalism we have controlled markets.
@@ihavenonamek733On par meaning the price is equal,charge times around 5 minutes,charge costs equal to fuel,chargers equal to petrol diesel pumps,same weight,same insurance costs,repairs costs the same,repair wait times the same,tyre costs the same,range equally the same,range doesnt plummet when heaters a/c lights ect are used,resale values equal,EVs batteries dont die in freezing weather,towing weight capacities the same,and use the same amount of energy for towing.Thats all i can think of from the top of my head.Anyone feel free to add anything else that would bring EVs on par with ICE vehicles.Just saying.
@@user-lj9ld8ir1e Magic!
@@user-lj9ld8ir1e that's the point I was making...
I cannot see why anyone who loves an AMG would want a battery car.
Same for any of them really. If there's no engine, and all evs nowadays come with luxury interiors with every option, what really is the difference between an ev from hyundai and one from bmw? Different startup jingle on the infotainment screen??
I just can't get my head around it, especially as they all look pretty much the same too!
Progress. Better, faster, more fun to drive, more reliable... The old fogey's in their ICE cars at the weekend car meets remind me of the train spotters in their anoraks looking for steam engine numbers.
All that glitters is not gold.@@johnn17golf
@@johnn17golfYou opinion means nothing to them
The war-drums are talking in Germany, there are no EV-chargingpoints on the battlefield.😊
I like the idea using synthetic fuels in ice cars
Yep, they've been doing that in Brazil for decades. But for some reason it's been banned in Europe.
Synthetic fuels are made with coal, natural gas, or biomass. What would the point be?
You like the idea until you know of the very high expenses 😬🫣
And exactly what are synthetic fuels made from, and how? The great Porsche con. Synthetic fuels are a ridiculous joke.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 There is also the possibility to use biofuels which are even cheaper than fossil fuels.
In Europe, they were taxed to death because the governments placed tax revenue over the environment.
Ooooh! Mercedes seen the light that milk floats are NOT the answer to a problem that doesn't exist?
The EV faithful aren't going to be happy with these facts. Facts are always difficult for believers in EV's.
So Mercedes sales are currently 19% EV & they are saying they will be 50% by 2030. How can that be construed as EVs are failing?
@@stevencooper2339
Thanks for proving my initial comment correct.
Good morning MGuy and frens:)
good afternoon from Australia mate.
The day begins. Some light in a dark wlrld.
How about a car meets the expectations of drivers? That would be a nice little addition.
I suspect most EV manufacturers will go bankrupt in the next 3-5 years. Right now only Tesla and BYD are making any money on these cars as demand continues to languish.
Driving Miss Daisy. The ol' gal is year2001 Merc E-Class diesel/automatic.
Still reliably sound. Yes, usual body-rust /replacement parts etc., but never a mid journey let-down.
Recent Cruise-control drop-outs had warned of 'massive' repair expense. Reason; a wrong new tire was 20mm smaller than the rest.
We prefer +800 km range in solid comfort instead of fancy plug-in anxiety and fixed $800 monthlies.
So are we to understand that EVs are much more expensive than ice cars because they are much cheaper to produce and have much fewer parts including only one moving part (the motor), as explained by some EV fans?😊
👍🤣
War is peace.
The battery is the expensive part.
It's basically like an inkjet printer. You'll get the printer for free if you buy a cartridge.
You'll get the BEV for free if you buy the battery.
Hence, exchangeable batteries might be a good option.
@@svr5423 They won't make them replaceable for two reasons: standardization and the infrastructure required to do it will take at least a decade; cars with integral batteries are disposable so they get to sell you a new car every 5 years. The whole situation is unbelievably sh!t.
I ❤ Mercedes-Benz. Driving my baby on petrol into the sunset 😄
One of the most cogent voices on EV mass hysteria using common sense. Keep up the good work
There’s also the tyres issue that not many talk about.
EV’s are heavier than other vehicles and need different rated tyres, but folk go to the shops aardvark just ask for a new one not knowing that wrong tyres can explode with the weight of the cars and in case of an accident, the insurance companies can void the insurance altogether as the tyres are wrong. All in all, EV’s are great for rich people who want to show off, but the average person just can’t afford them.
Tyres have load ratings and no competent garage should be fitting illegal tyres. But competence is in short supply.
@@davelowe1977 In addition, the car manufacturer publishes the specification of tires that are allowed on the vehicle. So it's basically all very easy.
Some manufacturers only certify certain tires (especially on motorcycles).
We don’t want complicated hybrid crap. Just build a proper car ffs.
More EVs on their way 🫡👍
@@Acemeistre More battery failures on their way.
@@Acemeistreon their way to the scrap heap!
@@bouyaharumuchi more failures to learn from and build better batteries 👍
@@Eidolon1andOnly ICE and EV go to "scrap heap" only EV gets recycled 👍
Waiting impatiently for a similar announcement from Carlos Tavares of Stellantis ....
Good video 👍👏👏🏴
How many electric jumbos do you see flying in the sky? It's a pipedream..
Can't wait for the electric container ships to ship all those cheap EVs from China who are building more coal fire power stations.
How many Jet cars do you see.
@@hurricane7950 a few run at Santa Pod raceway 🤣
@@derekcable Electric propulsion is a proven technology in maritime applications. Usually powered by nuclear fuel.
LMMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂!! You don’t say? Don’t drink the Koolaid! 😂😂
bravo!
Current cars are efficient but they are built to fall apart faster. The best overall solution is cars from before the over-computerization of interiors happened around 2006.
Love it that an advert for the Porsche 963 race car ran before this video started. And yes - I watched the entire thing! 🤭
My 25-year-old Camry, at 367k miles, with its "every state but California" emissions system, produces emissions far below California's strictest standards. In fact, hydrocarbons are BELOW MEASURABLE QUANTITIES of 0.0 ppm. Sure, I replaced the entire exhaust system somewhere around 300k due to rusting out, but prior to that I was still comfortably below California's standards. A friend of mine moved to California with her '99 Chevy Prizm (Toyota Corolla) and was concerned that her Connecticut car wouldn't pass emissions testing, but it did - with the same results as my '99 Camry.
ICE engines can run quite cleanly, and have been doing so for a quarter of a century or better.
My Camry cost me $750, and I've put less than $4,000 into repairs (not counting wear-and-tear components like brakes, tires, battery) over 112k of ownership. Which, to me, is better than financing ~$50k, plus higher insurance rates, plus the cost of electrical service upgrade to the house (350' buried cable, plus distribution panel, plus installation of charging point). Not to mention the increase in household energy consumption, as we'd need to use more fossil-fuel-generated electricity to charge an EV.
It is obvious that Akio Toyoda is correct in his view of EV's, and Toyota's reluctance to embrace them.
im gonna say the MB batt plant will be in SC (usa). the sc gov just announced a $500,000 batt plant to be somewhere in the state.
My brothers hyundai ionic gets traded in tomorrow for a diesel, Costs him £60 a month in electric to go to work...only costs him £30 a month in a diesel.
That is ridiculous, the whole world has gone mad
Surely, like every other EV owner, he is getting free electricity from solar - even at night.
In the last 2 years where I live, I have never seen so many new petrol stations under construction, do oil companies more than we do.
It would appear that the range of the electric bandwagon reflects that of all other electric vehicles! ;)
I live in a small town and just drove past the Mercedes dealership. They have a long line of EV SUVs in a row. About 50k UK pounds each, I have no idea who they think is going to buy these here?!? Good luck! 😂
I’m going to subscribe to Mguy because he feeds me my daily dose of EV hate!
It's a new video every day too! Your cup of EVangelist tears always overthroweth. The coping and downright delusional angry comments are my favorite part.
At my local Mercedes dealership, they can’t sell their EVs. They’re using them for service loaners because there is more demand for the gas cars they would typically use for loaners. I got an EQS450 suv as a loaner. It’s a far step down from a GLS450 it is meant to substitute.
I live on a narrowboat, and I'm moored next to an electric boat. They have a diesel generator running all day. They use 3 times more fuel than me. I was shocked. Totally defeats the object. It's all a total joke.
I was in Berlin last week and I walked past a Mercedes dealership that had a parking lot full of unsold electric Smart Cars, which were selling for €43,000. Who would pay that much for a Smart Car!
I can see politicians putting the cut-off back and back, then dropping it altogether and hoping nobody noticed.
A diesel engine is typically 200kg
The tesla y model battery weight is 750 kg.
Do you have money for extra tyres and suspension.
All the roads potholes are driven on by all car's tyre's and suspension.
The ice cars do slighly better and and are slightly cheaper and much easier to repair or replace.
Amen to that.
I'll be keeping my 5.5 ltr V8 Mercedes AMG forever...
Great news that at least some companys have grown a brain.
First! Appreciate your work keep it up
In the 1990's, GM's marketing department estimated the size of the EV market and thought it not worth the corporation's time to enter. They used this research to justify the cancellation of the EV-1 program and received huge negative publicity, but they stuck with it. How did they go from that to the current CEO stating they would be all electric by 2035? I'm sure the marketing department did the same research and found the market essentially the same at around 5% (which rises to about 10% if the government pays people to buy your cars). The situation the industry currently finds itself in only underscores Margaret Thatcher's observation, "Eventually you run out of other peoples' money."
Well said. These EV goals will continue to slip until the technology is there to make them a reality.
During the energy crisis in the late 70s it was forecasted that if we kept using oil at the same rate we could run out by the year 2000. It created a push at the time for people to buy small, fuel efficient cars from Japan. The little cars were cheap and efficient, and most people didn't really care about 0 - 60 times as long as it was comfortable, affordable, and dependable. People soon lost sight of the energy crisis and manufacturers went back to producing cars that were bigger and more powerful. North Americans really don't like small, underpowered, economy cars. I would like to see a cost effective replacement for the 1978 Honda Civic that I once owned, whether it be gas or electric. I live in Canada and something like this would be a great second car.
The situation in Germany is really terrible at the moment. Almost all gasoline engine cars made after approx. 2015 are ticking time bombs because of their pathetic downsized direct injected turbo lawnmower engines. It is an enormous gamble to buy those cars used.
Diesel cars after the beginning of Euro6 are also basically scrap because the genius German government mandated a particle analysis every two years during the technical inspection.
At least 50% of the Euro6-Diesels fail this utterly stupid test and require repairs (EGR-System, DPF, SCR cat) costing three thousand Euros and more.
This means that there is an enormous run on fifteen year old cars. The prices are skyrocketing. Germany is becoming a Cuba 2.0
The government's plan to force ridiculously overpriced cars with lawnmower engines backfired big time.
It didn't backfire, their plan along with all EU countries and the UK, is to get poor people off the roads, which is happening at an alarming rate. We all need to copy the French with their yellow jacket protests
Who could have seen that coming? Only everyone who doesn’t rely on the green gravy train.
EV’s… 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Expensive heating during winters to come.
@@bouyaharumuchi 💯 for sure… 🙁
Do you have any thoughts on synthetic fuels for vehicles?
Already running synthetic blended fuel for many years. Fuel for ICE vehicles can be produced from multitudes of materials which are in plentiful supply nearly everywhere on the planet except the polar regions and the desert.
Inefficient as the process for producing these is, this may matter little as the cost of solar panels gets cheaper every year. Personally I would rather pay £1 a gallon more for petrol than £10,000s more for an EV with all its associated problems.
Development within a reasonable time frame and no pressure to the customer. It is just logical.
Most people purchasing a MBen have the money not to worry about high gas prices.
EV demand IS NOT crashing.
Cheers.
Perhaps good sense will return after all.
All the best