But does he really get the target volume with Hopkins and those running backs? Also can we really trust Levis? Lots of bad QBs with rocket arms sitting on NFL benches.
@@FootballguysFantasy but I believe Ridley will absolutely have monster weeks in that offense…I guess I’m just trying to figure out what WR is better in that round…receiver get very thin after round 5, and we need to account for bye weeks and injuries….There might be SOME undraftable players but Ridley is not one of them
Seems like you guys are getting nitpicky with Jayden Reed. His ADP is 36 and you guys are close to that rank. As a young player who produced on limited snaps there is plenty of room for growth. Even though some of the metrics seem to show he wasn't getting wide open, those metrics can easily get skewed by his smaller sample size and that fact he was targeted often in the red zone where the field shrinks.
Those are actually great points. As president of the Jayden Reed fan club, the discourse over the Packers WR corps is getting wild. I think Reed has nowhere to go, but up. He obviously has a role in that offense. They seemed to want to use him and Doubs in the red zone and in key moments more than anyone else. And I get that Jones and Watson and Musgrave were hurt a lot last year, who are all target/red zone competition-- but the kid's here to stay. If he is your WR3/4, you are golden.
As someone who faded Ridley last year, I LOVE him at his price. Paid to be the number one with next to no target competition (Hopkins, Boyd) and being the deep ball threat with Levis liking to throw the ball deep? He's a great spot for his ADP.
I wouldn't call DeAndre Hopkins and Tyler Boyd "no competition". Last season, Ridley caught 76 receptions on 136 targets, while Hopkins caught 75 on 137 targets. I know Ridley got paid, but we almost never see WRs produce great fantasy seasons after getting paid by a new team.
@davekluge3923 You must make a full length documentary on why Curtis Samuel is the greatest receiver of all time and why he'll be a top 20 option at the position this upcoming season.
Diggs didn’t make Prisco’s top 100 NFL players, even as an honorable mention (so he actually didn’t crack the top 125). For what it’s worth. Also for what it’s worth, the Bleav in Texans podcasters expect Diggs to produce better than Nico, and see Dell as the top Texans WR.
@FootballguysFantasy that's how I've been drafting it. diggs was unmotivated and word is he was hurt. mixed w an oc change it explains the drop-off. it's not like the talent just disappeared, and before last year we all thought nico sucked. what if nico does suck and it was all stroud? he made Noah brown look good even.
@@teabaggingtime1415 Yeah I think it’s worth it to see what the fanbase and beat writers are saying, in this case it was surprising. I’d been drafting Nico as WR2 all summer but after further consideration the target share is muddy at best. I’m not taking Nico before round 4 now (10 team PPR), which means I’m not getting him and that’s okay. I’ve been targeting Dell as WR3 and if Diggs falls far enough I’ll consider him as WR3 if I go with 2 RBs in the first 3 rounds. I still don’t like Diggs as a personality but his track record is really good over the past few years. I should probably consider him in the same range as Dell if I get sniped, but new team and the first new offense of his career holds me back.
@@FootballguysFantasy ECR definitely agrees with you, but with the target share muddy at best I can’t take Nico at ADP. And Nico was unremarkable his first three years, I don’t trust that he’s not a regression candidate especially with Diggs now.
@@tmartin8888 this is pretty on par w me. idk who will end up better between dell and diggs I think it's basically a coin flip over the season. but I do believe nico is the 3. the only thing going against this is they paid nico big money. but they also paid diggs and mixon so we will see
Adams will get plenty of targets, probably more than anyone in round 2, but age is definitely an issue. Still think he’s a pretty safe round 2 pick in a sea of iffy round 2 values
Saw an interview with Njoku referring to the new offense as”juicy”. He wouldn’t b saying that if he wasn’t a big part of the game plan. He wanted to leave 2 yrs back cuz he wasn’t getting the ball. He seems happy and is a great athlete. I also believe stephanski knows what he has and will make sure to feed him the ball. I like him as a late round TE2 in my league
In fairness, every player loves their new offense. But also, yeah, we talked about how the new offense would focus on the stuff that Watson likes from the old Texans offense. More vertical concepts and more WRs on the field. The tendencies of Watson to avoid TEs and the addition of Jeudy makes me dislike the ADP quite a bit. (Alfredo)
actually, saying you're off the cuff and BSing is a sell for me lol - way too much tightness and polish in a lot of content - it's about finding the right balance between the two
Wouldn't draft Adams in the 3rd sounds crazy, dude produces every season, still is the alpa on his team. Plenty of receiver in between 2nd and 3rd round who aren't #1s and have greater target competition...
Adams should return value for his adp. Gonna get fed as always, more targets than anyone in the second round. Everyone in round two is tough to see value in. He’s pretty safe in my opinion, limited upside though.
@FootballguysFantasy as much as I love Tank Dell, Diggs is a true alpha #1 wr and he will lead this team in targets, he is really just that good. Love tank and Nicole though. But they are not on the level of Diggs.
Wouldn't say "no target competition" with Brock Bowers, Jakobi Meyers, and Michael Gallup. The Raiders defense is improved this season, we don't know who the starting QB will be, and age continues to creep up. It's not that Adams is a bad player or anything like that, it's that his cost in the 2nd round is way too expensive and his ceiling doesn't justify that ADP.
@@FootballguysFantasy he had a 32% target share last year with a worse qb only adding realistically bowers a rookie … How do you break up the 550 targets ? He still sees minimum 150 targets -top 10 still? What other player can you compare with over a 30% target share over age 30 ? He had more targets than tyreek hill last year … only one person had more .. Where do top 10 wr go ? First 2 rounds ? Jerry rice went for 122-1848 age 33 Steve smith 79-1394 age 32 Brandon Marshall 109-1502 age 31 Marvin Harrison 95-1366 age 33 My predictions would put him at the bottom to middle of this list. In which he certainly belongs I know and you know . These were all top 5 wr in Ppr in their respective seasons Top 5 wr is first round draft capital. His age gets you a 1 round discount
You guys might be missing the boat on some of these players…whether you draft these “old” players or not depends on ADP….EVERY STARTING NFL player is draftable, it just depends on WHERE you draft them to get the most value….davante adams might not be worth an early 2nd round pick but he might be worth a late 2nd, early 3rd….ive seen Ekeler drafted in mocks in the 10th round as an RB3/RB4, that’s INSANE value….just my opinion
We actually did a whole conversation about this on the podcast version. We did about 15 minutes of discussion on this exact thing. Check it out, the link is in the description.
J Reed is only take I disagree with because he is a dawg. He is Dionte Johnson and willk command 100+ targets. Year two of chemistry with Love. Top 20 output in half/ppr potential.
Here's the thing. You have to draft davante. Here's why. Us WR bros going 6 wr through 7 rounds with the idea we may be wrong about davante. But that's okay. Constructing great teams with him is the key. You need shares or any guy capable of a 35-40 burger.. week 15 or 16 davante does that, you're toast. Even if h didn't get you there takes one week. Who's to say the raiders are out of playoff contention. They stick in AOC to see what they have in their young QB and let him sling it. You could be right on him all year and get burned. He has that upside. The key is building great teams around him and getting him a slight value and have the best teams built with him. To have 0% because the price is the price I think is potential disaster to great drafted teams
I love when you internet guys talk about the browns because it shows how much you talk out of your ass freirmuth over Njoku would get you laughed out of any establishment. Watson and Njoku found their groove in the Arizona and ravens game unfortunately Watson got hurt. Njoku is going to eat this year with Watson at qb who won’t throw 2 pick 6s a game btw
The splits for Njoku in his career with Watson vs any other QB are pretty damning. Also, the guys didnt say they'd take Freiermuth> Njoku, but that they prefer the cost of Freiermuth and would rather wait for TE instead of paying for Njoku's ADP
Kluge's credibility went way down for me in this video. Clearly didn't watch the Packers last year if you think Doubs is better than Reed. Became very clear they were making it a point to get him the ball when it mattered and Doubs faded into almost being completely irrelevant
Doubs had 234 yards over their two playoffs games. I’m not saying he’s the WR1, but he’ll be plenty involved and likely on the field with Watson in 2WR sets.
@@davekluge3923 Watson can't stay on the field and they designed so many plays to go to Reed and even ran the ball with him. They go out of their way to involve him. Doubs isn't someone they make sure gets touches he just gets them when he happens to be open. If you watched them last year he was clearly becoming the odd man out.
No what is funny mr and Mrs vanilla sofT serve is when will Levis out performs t.Lawrence this season and the titans offense explodes.l. Levis Hopkins Ridley Boyd Chig Spears Pollard, sounds fairly plausible to me Always very pedestrian videos that are super easy to get through.,. Anden reimagine if Levis gets to be better than burrow over their careers, hahahahaha
Calvin Ridley as the 6th best player on your team is pretty damn good lol…the Titans are paying him as a #1 WR and Levis has a rocket arm
But does he really get the target volume with Hopkins and those running backs? Also can we really trust Levis? Lots of bad QBs with rocket arms sitting on NFL benches.
@@FootballguysFantasy but I believe Ridley will absolutely have monster weeks in that offense…I guess I’m just trying to figure out what WR is better in that round…receiver get very thin after round 5, and we need to account for bye weeks and injuries….There might be SOME undraftable players but Ridley is not one of them
Good call on Diggs and the target competition
Seems like you guys are getting nitpicky with Jayden Reed. His ADP is 36 and you guys are close to that rank. As a young player who produced on limited snaps there is plenty of room for growth. Even though some of the metrics seem to show he wasn't getting wide open, those metrics can easily get skewed by his smaller sample size and that fact he was targeted often in the red zone where the field shrinks.
Those are actually great points. As president of the Jayden Reed fan club, the discourse over the Packers WR corps is getting wild. I think Reed has nowhere to go, but up. He obviously has a role in that offense. They seemed to want to use him and Doubs in the red zone and in key moments more than anyone else. And I get that Jones and Watson and Musgrave were hurt a lot last year, who are all target/red zone competition-- but the kid's here to stay. If he is your WR3/4, you are golden.
Nick Chubb & Austin Ekeler: emerging WRs in the NFL. 😂
As someone who faded Ridley last year, I LOVE him at his price. Paid to be the number one with next to no target competition (Hopkins, Boyd) and being the deep ball threat with Levis liking to throw the ball deep? He's a great spot for his ADP.
I wouldn't call DeAndre Hopkins and Tyler Boyd "no competition". Last season, Ridley caught 76 receptions on 136 targets, while Hopkins caught 75 on 137 targets. I know Ridley got paid, but we almost never see WRs produce great fantasy seasons after getting paid by a new team.
Nice title 😂. I came running fast to watch this! Hahahaa first time someone is so creative with it. A+
Thank you! 😁
Famous Chase Claypool stan Dave Kluge.
I wouldn’t trust anything he says
I don’t know how I got here but I want to leave.
@davekluge3923 You must make a full length documentary on why Curtis Samuel is the greatest receiver of all time and why he'll be a top 20 option at the position this upcoming season.
@@FootballguysFantasyTrue, I hear this Alfredo fella might be better anyway.
Diggs didn’t make Prisco’s top 100 NFL players, even as an honorable mention (so he actually didn’t crack the top 125). For what it’s worth. Also for what it’s worth, the Bleav in Texans podcasters expect Diggs to produce better than Nico, and see Dell as the top Texans WR.
Would be shocked to see Nico as the 3rd option on that team.
@FootballguysFantasy that's how I've been drafting it. diggs was unmotivated and word is he was hurt. mixed w an oc change it explains the drop-off. it's not like the talent just disappeared, and before last year we all thought nico sucked. what if nico does suck and it was all stroud? he made Noah brown look good even.
@@teabaggingtime1415 Yeah I think it’s worth it to see what the fanbase and beat writers are saying, in this case it was surprising. I’d been drafting Nico as WR2 all summer but after further consideration the target share is muddy at best. I’m not taking Nico before round 4 now (10 team PPR), which means I’m not getting him and that’s okay. I’ve been targeting Dell as WR3 and if Diggs falls far enough I’ll consider him as WR3 if I go with 2 RBs in the first 3 rounds. I still don’t like Diggs as a personality but his track record is really good over the past few years. I should probably consider him in the same range as Dell if I get sniped, but new team and the first new offense of his career holds me back.
@@FootballguysFantasy ECR definitely agrees with you, but with the target share muddy at best I can’t take Nico at ADP. And Nico was unremarkable his first three years, I don’t trust that he’s not a regression candidate especially with Diggs now.
@@tmartin8888 this is pretty on par w me. idk who will end up better between dell and diggs I think it's basically a coin flip over the season. but I do believe nico is the 3. the only thing going against this is they paid nico big money. but they also paid diggs and mixon so we will see
Love this episode, a cold bottle of Haterade on a hot, humid summer day really hits the spot 😈👍 Plus, that’s informations I’s likes to knows!
Glad you enjoyed it
Diggs went 7.08 in our startup; i took Dell 8.06.
I hope you're right on Diggs.
Let pray watson gets pulled and Winston takes over. Fantasy bonanza
Well the team would be worse so let’s hope not dummy
Adams will get plenty of targets, probably more than anyone in round 2, but age is definitely an issue. Still think he’s a pretty safe round 2 pick in a sea of iffy round 2 values
The addition of Brock Bowers and the improvement of the defense could hurt those targets.
Saw an interview with Njoku referring to the new offense as”juicy”. He wouldn’t b saying that if he wasn’t a big part of the game plan. He wanted to leave 2 yrs back cuz he wasn’t getting the ball. He seems happy and is a great athlete. I also believe stephanski knows what he has and will make sure to feed him the ball. I like him as a late round TE2 in my league
In fairness, every player loves their new offense. But also, yeah, we talked about how the new offense would focus on the stuff that Watson likes from the old Texans offense. More vertical concepts and more WRs on the field. The tendencies of Watson to avoid TEs and the addition of Jeudy makes me dislike the ADP quite a bit. (Alfredo)
Watson doesn't throw to Njoku. Love the player, but I can't buy in at current ADP.
Agreed
actually, saying you're off the cuff and BSing is a sell for me lol - way too much tightness and polish in a lot of content - it's about finding the right balance between the two
Wouldn't draft Adams in the 3rd sounds crazy, dude produces every season, still is the alpa on his team. Plenty of receiver in between 2nd and 3rd round who aren't #1s and have greater target competition...
I’m loving the videos boys keep up the good work!
Terry Mclaurin and almost all of the rookie QBs... And when it comes to TEs I think Jake Ferguson should be in your top TE list
if Adams had stayed a Packer he would be Jordan Love’s WR 1 and in store for a big season.
What could have been…
If Davante was a chief he'd be going ahead of Puka in rd1
Adams should return value for his adp. Gonna get fed as always, more targets than anyone in the second round. Everyone in round two is tough to see value in. He’s pretty safe in my opinion, limited upside though.
@@Kpizzo Bowers will cap Adams in a negative way imo. Also, Minshew/AOC no thanks.
@@rickwelch8464 minshew locked onto Pittman pretty hard last year.. someone to help that offense would be great
Adams is the new Julio Jones for fantasy always chasing points after 1 game and always disappointed. I had him and Chase last year, ouch.
Sadness..
I had John Brown the year he went crazy. Now I’m probably definitely gonna take Curtis Samuel lmao only logic 🤷🏾♂️
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@@AlfredoABrown Gotcha thanks
Tank Dell ranked ahead of Diggs is just plain disrespectful lol
is it though?
@FootballguysFantasy as much as I love Tank Dell, Diggs is a true alpha #1 wr and he will lead this team in targets, he is really just that good. Love tank and Nicole though. But they are not on the level of Diggs.
Be interesting to have an episode on where risky players you should consider these players. Home leagues get weird
Did you look at our show calendar?!
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Fading Adam’s is dumb no target competition..
Probably favorable script ..
Better qb this year
85-100 catches
11-1400 yards
5-10tds
Wouldn't say "no target competition" with Brock Bowers, Jakobi Meyers, and Michael Gallup. The Raiders defense is improved this season, we don't know who the starting QB will be, and age continues to creep up. It's not that Adams is a bad player or anything like that, it's that his cost in the 2nd round is way too expensive and his ceiling doesn't justify that ADP.
@@FootballguysFantasy he had a 32% target share last year with a worse qb only adding realistically bowers a rookie …
How do you break up the 550 targets ?
He still sees minimum 150 targets -top 10 still?
What other player can you compare with over a 30% target share over age 30 ?
He had more targets than tyreek hill last year … only one person had more ..
Where do top 10 wr go ? First 2 rounds ?
Jerry rice went for 122-1848 age 33
Steve smith 79-1394 age 32
Brandon Marshall 109-1502 age 31
Marvin Harrison 95-1366 age 33
My predictions would put him at the bottom to middle of this list. In which he certainly belongs I know and you know .
These were all top 5 wr in Ppr in their respective seasons
Top 5 wr is first round draft capital.
His age gets you a 1 round discount
I’m not drafting anyone old
is 29 old?
I’m not either, and I’m old! 😂
This dude acts like guys are out running routes in their 40's
Thielin would've won you tour league last year ijs
@@frankielofton6100 what league were you in where you won your league the first 6 weeks...?
I got Adams at pick 39 (4th round) 😮
You guys might be missing the boat on some of these players…whether you draft these “old” players or not depends on ADP….EVERY STARTING NFL player is draftable, it just depends on WHERE you draft them to get the most value….davante adams might not be worth an early 2nd round pick but he might be worth a late 2nd, early 3rd….ive seen Ekeler drafted in mocks in the 10th round as an RB3/RB4, that’s INSANE value….just my opinion
We actually did a whole conversation about this on the podcast version. We did about 15 minutes of discussion on this exact thing. Check it out, the link is in the description.
J Reed is only take I disagree with because he is a dawg. He is Dionte Johnson and willk command 100+ targets. Year two of chemistry with Love. Top 20 output in half/ppr potential.
If, Arthur Smith is a good coach then I'm Ron Burgundy?
Here's the thing. You have to draft davante. Here's why. Us WR bros going 6 wr through 7 rounds with the idea we may be wrong about davante. But that's okay. Constructing great teams with him is the key. You need shares or any guy capable of a 35-40 burger.. week 15 or 16 davante does that, you're toast. Even if h didn't get you there takes one week. Who's to say the raiders are out of playoff contention. They stick in AOC to see what they have in their young QB and let him sling it. You could be right on him all year and get burned. He has that upside. The key is building great teams around him and getting him a slight value and have the best teams built with him. To have 0% because the price is the price I think is potential disaster to great drafted teams
We are the Hatemongers of the Toxic Brood if EFAP was a fantasy channel.
10th round seems to be a reasonable round to take Curtis Samuel on possibly the leading WR on the Team with Josh Allen.
Alfredo agrees with you
I agree but he’s going in Round 8.
What if..... Arthur Smith is a good coach?
What if Stefon Diggs just alphas his way to the top? I don’t see it, but it could happen- 8:22
Nick Cubb and Auistin Ekeler are RB's but the graphic says what their WR ranks are smh
Yep, small production error. Thanks for pointing it out though
Diggs as WR 30 is wild
Diggs only had ONE finish in the Top-25 over the final 8 weeks. Now he goes to a more crowded receiver room. I can't put him in the Top-24. (Alfredo)
That thumbnail 😂😂😂
So Devante Adams QB situation isn't the reason for drop off this year? His age is the reason! 😂😂😂
Also you too pessimistic on Levis/Titans. Imma mark this post for later.
I love when you internet guys talk about the browns because it shows how much you talk out of your ass freirmuth over Njoku would get you laughed out of any establishment. Watson and Njoku found their groove in the Arizona and ravens game unfortunately Watson got hurt. Njoku is going to eat this year with Watson at qb who won’t throw 2 pick 6s a game btw
The splits for Njoku in his career with Watson vs any other QB are pretty damning. Also, the guys didnt say they'd take Freiermuth> Njoku, but that they prefer the cost of Freiermuth and would rather wait for TE instead of paying for Njoku's ADP
Allen throws more 50/50 balls than any QB in the NFL. CHASE CLAYPOOL is a top 5 WR in the NFL at jump balls
We found Dave’s burner.
Claypool caught 0% of his contested targets last year.
Kluge's credibility went way down for me in this video. Clearly didn't watch the Packers last year if you think Doubs is better than Reed. Became very clear they were making it a point to get him the ball when it mattered and Doubs faded into almost being completely irrelevant
Doubs had 234 yards over their two playoffs games. I’m not saying he’s the WR1, but he’ll be plenty involved and likely on the field with Watson in 2WR sets.
@@davekluge3923 Watson can't stay on the field and they designed so many plays to go to Reed and even ran the ball with him. They go out of their way to involve him. Doubs isn't someone they make sure gets touches he just gets them when he happens to be open. If you watched them last year he was clearly becoming the odd man out.
Ur credibility of understanding fantasy football went way down after reading this.
@@brucek5578 Because?
No what is funny mr and Mrs vanilla sofT serve is when will Levis out performs t.Lawrence this season and the titans offense explodes.l.
Levis
Hopkins
Ridley
Boyd
Chig
Spears
Pollard, sounds fairly plausible to me
Always very pedestrian videos that are super easy to get through.,.
Anden reimagine if Levis gets to be better than burrow over their careers, hahahahaha
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Lol, Friends Alfredo?
Friends!
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Great or late at TE. Sounds like something @jameyeisenberg would say 😁