6 Clip Microphones Tested On Double Bass - DPA, Audix, Audio Technica (2x), Prodipe, T-Bone
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Go straight to test 1 at 6:39
Go straight to test 2 at 19:07
See the names of the microphones: 22:09
Here is a new clip microphone (nearly blind) test, with more microphones and more sound examples than in my older test.
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Arco
Under bridge. Over bridge.
1 7:11 7:57
2 8:46 9:33
3 10:24 11:16
4 12:06 12:57
5 13:50 14:39
6 15:28 16:17
7 17:07 17:59
Pizz A
Under bridge. Over bridge.
1 6:46 7:33
2 8:23 9:09
3 9:59 10:49
4 11:42 12:33
5 13:25 14:15
6 15:04 15:54
7 16:43 17:34
Pizz B
Under bridge. Over bridge.
1 6:59 7:45
2 8:35 9:22
3 10:12 11:04
4 11:54 12:46
5 13:37 14:27
6 15:16 16:05
7 16:56 17:46
Bleed
Under bridge. Over bridge.
1 7:23 8:10
2 8:59 9:47
3 10:37 11:30
4 12:20 13:10
5 14:02 14:52
6 15:42 16:30
7 17:20 18:12
Single stand
Gut strings. Metal strings.
1 19:07 20:08
2 - -
3 19:15 20:27
4 19:23 20:46
5 19:30 21:05
6 19:38 21:25
7 19:45 21:44
Thank you so much! Made comparing so much easier!
It's incredible how precise your tests are, it's super valuable, thank you so much!
thanks to your video. I got the sound she was looking for without spending too much money. In the blind test, I lean towards the BL21 prodipe, which is not expensive and is really the one I liked the most. On my double bass I got the same result as you show in the video. Thank you very much your video was really useful for me. Greetings from Argentina
I have seen many of your videos and have found them all to be superior to all others! Thank you for your efforts. So helpful. I just bought the TBone Ovid CC100 and found it to be excellent value for money.
Thank you very much for this motivating comment 🙏!
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Thanks for this video. I never thought the Audix would be so good!
I want to thank you for all the effort you make in each video ,, you show a lot of affection and respect towards the public and also towards your instrument ,, I also wanted to ask you if I could buy some transcripts of jazz solos that you have ,, thank you.
Many thanks for the great and well recorded comparison video. Initially I thought I would go with the t.bone Ovid, but them I changed from my EarPods to my Beyerdynamic DT990 headphones and then the differences became much more obvious. So I got me the Audix in a set with the Bassball.
I'm happy I could help! Thank you so much for your ko-fi support 🙏🏼🙏🏼!
Great test setup! I really liked the blind listening idea. I think the most interesting test was the one where you recorded with all the microphones at the same time. Otherwise the slight differences in your playing affected the results more than the difference between some of the microphones was.
For my ears, the Prodipe BL21 sounded surprisingly good overall but I wrote down that I didn't like its sound with metal strings. For metal strings, the DPA was the best for my ears. ATM350 with cardioid pattern was good overall no matter which strings you had.
Thank you Mikko that's interesting feedback!
Hello and thank you for your time and good work producing this test. I have one comment.
I work for a symphony orchestra. When we mic the orchestra for a pops concert, we use mics on stands for all the instruments except the cellos and basses. During breaks in rehearsals and during intermissions, it is very common for the cellists and bassists to carry their instrument off stage and then back on.
Because of this, these musicians are constantly removing and reattaching the mics to their instruments. In this situation, the sound quality of the mic is of course important, but equally important is the ease with which the player can remove and reattach the mic quickly and without assistance.
I have experimented with all of the mics you are testing here except the Ovid. I own all the other mics and also the Remic Contrabass mic. All of these mics are far superior to putting an RE-20 on a stand in front of the bass, but they differ a lot in the ease of mounting.
The musicians that we work with seem to prefer the simplicity of the DPA system. I love the sound of the Remic, but mounting it is beyond the patience of the musicians. Ditto the Prodipe. The AT’s are an excellent choice too, but our musicians are used to seeing Neumann, DPA and Schoeps on stage. Even so, I keep my Remics nearby (love their piano mics for sound AND simplicity of setup) and for the occasional jazz bassist who seems to have a more open mind about trying something new.
Thank you for this information! The RE20 was never one of my favorites for bass.
Strange that the musicians would have a problem if they see a mic from Remix or Audio Technica. They should respect your expertise.
Yes, the ease of mounting is very important, I think the companies should consider this!
Thank you Herve, i like the DPA
Just want to let you know that your videos are very useful!!!! And want to again thank you StrinMatrix! :)
So thorough, thanks very much!
Nice video Herve!
Thank you so much!
Amazing it's so easy to spot that dpa sound 😀👍👍
I'm really surprised with the sound presence of the audix. It Nicely gives frontal sound... I still think that the atm35 vintage brings Out the most familiar sound of the bass, but I do not like its Arco response to the point quite disappointing compared to the dpa which has way better gain sensitivity. I find this really strange how this is possible with that dvote 4099 mic. Anyways, congrats for such great contents. This video is really really very helpful for a lot out there who are still searching for their to go mic for gigs or studio work.
I have made my choices on the atm35 and dvote4099 but I would be very interested to gig on that audix!
Thank you very much Jiovanni!
Gracias Hervé!
This is very informative. Thank you!!!
PS: I'd love to hear a Schoeps CMC6 MK41 in a future test. I've seen many players using it.
Also the Ear Trumpet Labs "Nadine".
I liked number three quite a bit but number 6 (DPA) had the most going on
A really solid example of these microphones! I appreciate your dedication to putting on this display.
Thank you!
Very informative, thank you very much! Greetings from Manila! :)
Mic 1 wins.
It has that True bass pronunciation and punch ( I'm not saying low end ).
It has the sound you would expect from a high-end recoding of tunes in a studio.
Mic 6 2nd place.
A little shy of the Mic 1 but it does have a good listening tone.
ALL the mics did better over the strings.
The thing about all the other mics reminded me of hearing the Bass fiddle as if it were in a movie, not the sound you would expect from an album or CD or whatever format today.
Great video. Thank You. #1 is my favorite.
Amazing test. Thanks
2 and 7 would be my choices (4 is what I own and what I consider still okay-ish for the really modest price point). I like the position under the bridge more because it pics up less clicky-di-clacky noise from the strings hitting the fretboard. These sounds can be super cool but tend to clash with drums when not played super precise (read: when played by sub-precise players like me).
Great shoot-out!
Thank You! Great job!
thank you.
¡Muchas gracias!
DPA over the Bridge!
I have a Meyers. It is custom made with two separate goose necks. Excellent for recording...
Thank you for this excellent demo. What do you think of the Shertler STAT B, DYN BP48 or even the Basik double bass microphones?
I don't know the Basik microphones.
The DYN is schertler's contact microphone, right? It tested it once, but had some loud notes and some soft notes in the range.
The Stat B is schertler's pickup if I remember correctly. On some basses it sounds great but it it important that it is very well installed.
Thank you ! The bleed test was especially useful. Would you also consider a feedback résistance test ? I will prefer ten times a microphone without bleed and feedback over the nicest and warmest sound. (for exemple I heard the Prodipe is very sensitive to feedback if you increase the gain, even if the sound and price are good !) For studios situation, the sound engineers usually have their own great solutions for the double bass.
Thanks for the suggestion. I am thinking of making a video comparing 3-4 possibilities in terms of bleed and maybe also feedback. Feedback issues also depend on the room, the amp/speaker (and the rest of the amplification if the bass goes into the PA), so that's not easy to test. We will see...
Very helpful, thank you. Do these clip microphones typically require phantom power? I’d like to be able to plug in directly to an amp? Are there amps made for, say, acoustic guitars that do a good job amplifying bass?
They are condenser mics, yes they need phantom power.
@@jiovannitabada7679 Do you need active adapters/converters for any of these? (For example, electret microphones usually require 3-5 V bias voltage whereas condenser microphones require 48 V phantom voltage and many XLR interfaces only support 48 V phantom voltage. As such, electret microphones require converter such as "Rode VXLR+" for use with XLR interface).
Thank you for your great video! I wanted to ask, which microphone is used in the video when you are mic-ing it under the strings? I have my eyes on the Audio Technica pro 35 but was wondering how i can clamp it like you. Is it the DPA clip?
Thank you so much for your thorough and eye opening review
Amazing review. Thank you :-)
Thank you Dermot!
Thank you so much! Really helpful, all your testing videos! 🙏🏼🎶 I listened through my Devine PRO4000 headphones and I found the T.Bone CC 100 pretty good, especially considering its low price. For me, nothing beats my Oktava MK012 pencil mic, hung between the paws of the bridge using two rubber bands with its capsule pointed towards the fingerboard, hanging there freely without any shocks.
Thank you very much. I don't know this mic by Oktava. I might try it. I have heard of the technique with the rubbers, I will also test this when I find time.
@@stringmatrix You could also try this out with a Røde NT5, zum Beispiel. The Oktava and Røde are very close to eachother, soundwise. I always enjoy watching your fantastic videos, a very talented bass player you are. And your calm and clear explanations... 🙏🏼🎶✅
Still don't know what mic I'll get, but I definitely know I want it over the bridge, thanks
Hi, Thanks for your comparison video! It’s totally useful to me and... I have a question. Which one is the new vesion of ATM-350?? As far as I known, ATM-350 is basically made as a cardioid. Where did you get the hypercardioid version??(And personally, I prefer no3 to no2!)
Bonjour Hervé, entends tu une réelle différence de rendu selon qu'avec un même micro tu le places au-dessus ou en dessous du chevalet? Et laquelle de ces deux positions conseilles tu ?
Hi Herve, thanks again for this very detailled review of 6 condenser mic's. My compliments!
I do like very much the sound of the Prodipe BL21. Comparable with the DPA but much cheaper. I own the ATM 35 allready. When I use this mic on my bass I have to turn up the volume much more than for my underwood piezo element. So I have a question: offcourse I do know that it needs phantom power, but do I also need a preamp for these mic's?
3 and 6👍👍
To me.... Most where boomy to me except the PDA... but the PDA was about 3db louder also with out the boom.... but they all sounded very usable...Listening through my JBL 308's thanks
That is a very generous content, thank you!
Which of these for you is more feedback resistant?
I don't know, I didn't check them all on stage. I could have tried a simulation though...
Overall, i like No. 3 the best. Seems to be the audio Technica. But how did you attach it? The universal clip seems not the perfekt solution for bass? Did you clip it on the stringholder of the DPA Mic?
Hey Herve! thanks for the video.
Can you tell me what were you using to clip the ATM mics on the bass?
Yes: I use an T-Bone/ovid attachment from Thomann. This fits on the strings between bridge and Stringholder (similar to the DPA attachment). I just had to remove something (one screw) to have an even surface so that the clip of the ATM holds well.
Thanks!!! double thumbs up!....just wondering I had some noise when I recorded with the DPA and I think is the rubber
mount or maybe some where else . That the reason that you are using that foam close to the tail piece?
No not really. On another test I had the feeling that I heard a ringing from the pieces of string behind the bridge so just to be sure they don't ring I put the foam on for this test. Many parts of the mic or of the mount (or cable touching the bass) can cause noises. On my DPA tests I sometimes heard a noise from the foam around the mic that was vibrating against the mic. Not a loud noise but it will be difficult to eliminate it completely (the foam around the mic should be softer).
What is the black plastic/rubber thing you have attached to your strings that the mics are clipped to??
Thank you for posting a informative video as always!
Hove you ever tried Super Silver bass strings? What do you feel comparing to Honey strings?
I have a Honey G string. I really like the strong sound. However, it’s too stiff for me. Especially when I play solos.
I have tried olivs too. They are best sounding bass strings I have ever tried.But I could not stand on the tuning stability and dullness of the sound.
Evah are really easy to play but sounds weak and not good harmonic response.
Yes super silver are quite nice but with the synthetic wrapping they feel very different from honey. I also found honey a little stiff. I liked the super silvers at the beginning but somehow they sound a little "hollow" which I don't like. I use Oliv for g and d, they are also my favorite right now. It would be great to have a synthetic string that sounds like Oliv. But that doesn't exist yet....
Stringmatrix thanks for the detail!
So,was honey stiffer than super silvers to you?I just listened to the demo of super silver on your web page. I would give a try if super silver is not as stiff as honey
@@kentosuzuking I am not 100% sure. I remember that soloing with super silver went quite well, so they are probably less stiff. I you want a string with low tension you could take silver slaps. They are similar to super silver with less tension.
In this video I play Super Silver G and D, with gut a like swingmaster on A and E ua-cam.com/video/XZXfJIfYnYI/v-deo.html
Stringmatrix I actually like medium strings. Once I had a spirocore light with oliv g, I could get the best timbre ever. However it was hard to play for me.
Thanks for the video, nice playing ! Very nice sounding trio.
Thank you so much for this review, gracias! Where can I get the attachment for the Ovid?? Cheers
As far as I know you'll get this from Thomann.
Thank you for this video. Any sense of which of these mics are better or worse at rejecting feedback?
Im on a low budget and my impression from this video is that the tbone ovid is quite muddy sounding and not ideal. Have you tried the newer tbone lucan series and is it any better? If anyone in the comments has an input on this id be glad to hear that too!
No sorry, I don't know that model.
Hi, great video and playing! Question, how did you mount mic #3? Did it come with a clip for bass or did you use the DPA clip to clip onto? Also how long of a gooseneck for mic #3 because Audio Technica make a couple different lengths, 5" and 9" inch. Thanks so much.
Hi Ric, I used the Thomann/Ovid mount that attaches to the strings below the bridge. I unscrewed the little Ovid attachment and then I could attack the gooseneck clamp easily. The gooseneck is quite short, I think 5 inch.
@@stringmatrix thanks! I'll look for that mount. I'm in CA USA so hopefully I can get one shipped here. thanks again and keep the videos coming, great stuff!
Thanks a lot for these great educational videos . What is a typical SPL (sound pressure level) coming off the bass? I have a clip-on mic for vocal recording. I’m wondering if its max handling SPL is too low for this application.
Oh sorry, I don't know the typical SPL of a bass. But I think it should work with your vocal mic if you don't place it over the F-Hole.
For my very comparisson:
9:59 mic3 under pizz. A
10:13 mic3 under pizz. B
10:25 mic 3 under arco
10:38 mic 3 under bleeding
10:50 mic3 over pizz. A
11:05 mic3 over pizz. B
11:33 mic 3 over bleeding
13:27 mic5 under pizza
13:38 mic5 under pizzb
13:50 mic5 under arco
14:04 mic5 under bleeding
14:15 mic5 over pizza
14:28 mic5 over pizzb
14:40 mic5 over arco
14:53 mic5 over bleeding
16:44 mic7 under pizza
16:56 mic7 under pizzb
17:07 mic7 under arco
17:21 mic7 under bleeding
17:37 mic7 over pizza
17:49 mic7 over pizzb
17:59 mic7 over arco
18:13 mic7 over bleeding
Salut Hervé, quand j'installe mon Dpa sur ma contrebasse, le micro vibre quand je joue le La à vide et le E. Est-ce que la mousse que tu as installé sur ta contre sert à régler ce problème ? Merci beaucoup pour toutes ces vidéos.
Salut, non. Ça fait longtemps que j'ai fait la vidéo et j'avais emprunté le dpa. Mais il me semble que je n'avais pas de problème de ce genre. Il faut souvent bricoler un peu et chercher des solutions pour ce genre de problème - d'une basse à l'autre il y a toujours différents petits soucis.
What is the signal chain after the mic? Thanks for the great video.
For the first part: only a TC konnekt 8 interface (with the built-in preamp) into logic 9.
For test 2: Yamaha HA8 preamp into digidesign 192 converter into pro tools 9.
I was sure the T.bone was the 4th mic, before reading the text at the end of the clip. Too much low frequencies, too much buttom. Anyway, thank you for your great work.
In the meantime, I have bought the Prodipe BL21 Lanen. Have tested the sound for recording and found it just great. However, I have descovered a leack in my homework made... There is no phatom power on my bass aplifier :( The majority does not, as they are not intended to take a mic anyhow, right? So using this condensor mic for playing live is jus impossible. How do you tackle that problem?. Thanks in advance StringMatrix!
Yes right, you need phantom power. There are devices on the market that will just give you phantom power (I think Mackie makes one, battery powered). Or you can buy a preamp like the EBS Stanley Clarke or the Headway. But that would cost a lot more.
Thanks again StringMatrix! I have search for in the meantime and bought the external one Devine MPS 1000 and tested it => It works/solves my issue indeed. Now test to get a nice sound out of that Prodipe. Thanks!
Hi! Thank you for your video! Great! I have a question: I've buyed the t bone, with a phantom power, but the volume is really really LOW!! It's not like the sound in your video...it's necesseraly something else for to have a higher output volume? Thank your for your attention! Giuseppe (Italy)
Hello Giuseppe, that's strange. It's difficult to help you without seing/hearing your setup. I didn't notice that the Ovid had a very low volume. So the first thing would be to check your equipment (do you go into an amp? Or a preamp/interface for recording?). But maybe there is a problem with your Ovid.
@@stringmatrix hi thank you so much for yours answer. This is the steps: ovid + phantom power makie + aguilar tone hammer 500....but the volume is very low...i don't know why...
Will these mikes work on an electric upright ? I am trying to get more of an acoustic sound on my electric upright by blending the factory magnet? pickup with a mic'd sound
No I don't think an EUB will produce enough acoustic volume to catch (and amplify) it with a clip mic. Maybe you can try to use a contact mic like the Ischell, but I am not sure if this will work either.
super man
Hi tks for your experience, my questioni is what metter when you play live with others instruments? There is return or noise or other disturb? Thanks
Hi Paolo, I have very little experience using these mics live. Depending on the volume of the other band members and the volume you need out of your amp or monitor you can have problems with feedback or bleeding (sound from other instruments going through the bass mic). So it is a very personal thing where each player has to test for himself. I can't tell you weather one or the other mic works better for live playing, sorry!
Is there a huge difference in recorded sound between using a clip mic or SDC microphone in terms of quality?
No. I would say the positioning is very important. I often recorded my bass (for CD productions) with my ATM-35 placed on a stand, just like you would place a SDC or a LDC. Sounded great and the engineer was happy (he would have had other mic as options).
Thank you for this very interesting comparison! Did you have the chance to test the bassball that Kontrabassatelier sells together with the Audix?
Yes and I will do a separate video to present the bassball. It is a very good thing!
Are the Ovid microphone clips the same size as the DPA clips?
The actual mic is about the same size. The attachment is similar (the concept) but the string attachment (that attaches to the strings under the bridge) for the Ovid is smaller.
Have you tested the remic d5400?
👍 Ok
what do you think about the ear trumpet Nadine?
I never had a chance to check it out. Would be interested to test it!
I.ai un audio technico pro 35 super son de contrebasse mais pas utilisable sur clip dpa car il vibre sur les cordes et transmet un bruit parasite au son
Remic is the best bass mic system. Why didn't you test that?
Because I don't own one and neither do my friends in town. If remic sends me a mic I am willing to test it.
@@stringmatrix ua-cam.com/video/eEHUVlbHxE4/v-deo.htmlsi=wX7cvFkXx_QYDcu3
Too bad about the foam covers...the foam always degrades over time... :(
They all seem to pick up a lot of string pluck/noise due to the avaliable placement. Might suitable to trad-jazz och rockabilly styles. #3 did best.
Dommage que pas sous-titré en Français....
Ah peut être qu'il y a des possibilités de traduction automatique, mais je ne sais pas exactement...
What about AMT S25B?
I never tried it and I didn't have a simple possibility to borrow it. If the AMT company is interested I can test that one too. And I also heard of "Remic", that can be interesting too.
Stringmatrix I’m using one (AMT) and it sounds great. I’ve asked just because I’m curious how it sounds compared to other mics you’ve tested.
Most clip mics I've seen used were placed over the f-hole on the g string side. Is that no longer "fashionable"?
@@romanchraniuk2330 Hi. I don't know if this is a good way to contact you. And I also have an AMT S25b for years now and cannot use it due to feedback issues. I would like to know how you connect it and with what amplifier. Thank you very much in advance. Greetings from Spain. Lorenzo Suárez
@@lorenzosm1644 I had the same problem while using AMT with EA Doubler head. When I’ve started to send microphone signal straight to the FOH and Realist pickup to my amp (I switched to 1988 GK 200MB) suddenly there is no problem. At least it’s not my problem anymore:) Good soundguys are dealing with it very well, bad soundguys... Well... If there is a bad soundguy than you don’t have much possibilities to have a great sound anyway:) My only issue with this mic is that after 10 years its gooseneck is a little bit “tired” in one spot and it’s not as stable as it should.
And what the f* is the result of this test? I'm stupid and ugly.
thank you