So this is just my advice as a guitarist for over 20 years but the trick to unlearning bad habits for me was always to go back to practicing it correctly but doing it extremely slowly. You gotta do it slow enough that you're absolutely sure you aren't using the bad technique.
ok but what nobody wants to admit is that piling up bad habit after bad habit, just a mountain of bad habits, a mount everest of bad habits, eventually it all compresses into a little turd diamond.
Hey Hotashi, I am actually a classical musician, that did deal with a lot of bad habits, brought forth by questionable education (at first) and starting my instrument late. With time, and conscious, guided and deliberate effort, I was able to address most, if not all my past "bad" habits. While I like that the saying "practice makes perfect" is now being challenged by "practice makes permanent," I personally dont think its entirely accurate. Practice only really reinforces, and/or harvests habit. Habit is only really permanent if you dont want/need to change it. So, if we want to be fancy and make the saying digestible, then in my experience and opinion, I would say "practice makes habit". If a professional finds the need to, they have the experience and fundamentals to apply practice to challenge habit and/or form new ones.
I learned FL11 with no tutorials or help by just clicking around and figuring out what was where/what did what, and then proceeded to be completely oblivious to any and all keyboard shortcuts that weren't F5-F9 until about 2-3 years later. Granted, that's not relative to the convo, but while using that software I had a bunch of habits I've had to tackle, and even some I can't shake that I lean on to this day. Seeing the idea of "practice makes permanent" applied to FGs is super interesting and I've been speaking with my friends I play with a lot about habits lately, so this topic is fresh on the mind. Thanks for discussing it a bit more in depth Hotashi!
Skateboarding follows this pretty heavy. It’s all about foot placement . For example you need to put your foot at a 45 degree angle right behind the front two bolts to kick flip correctly and consistently However the people aren’t consistent think putting your foot lower towards the middle makes it easier to flip but your control becomes very inconsistent … which is a big problem if you’re throwing yourself down stairs
@@Joe-lv3pc I’m with you. I tell all my friends to try fighting games . I tell them it’s all about execution and muscle memory and the time you put in pays off.
This happened to me with Skiing. I've been Skiing all my life and up until recently I had been leaning backwards when going down slopes. Now, it's not exactly hidden knowledge that you shouldn't do this, as it takes much more work for less stability, but your natural instinct when going down a steep icy mountain is to lean back. Kid me always leaned back, and breaking 20 years of muscle memory was hell.
Permanent is a strong word. It's more like practice creates a habit, something you do on auto pilot. There are merits to creating habits and if a habit you have is detrimental, as long as you're conscious of it and make a conscious effort to correct it, you'll change it to be any way you want. Nothing is permanent in this world.
I learned from years of guitar that it's way better to take something slow and learn it correctly than to try and do it fast immediately. Speed will come with time. Get it *right* first then worry about making it fast. It can be frustrating in the short term but long term it's waaaay better for you. Habits are a bitch to break especially when you're trying to perform at the same time.
Starting smash on 3DS has me now holding my GCN controller up to my chest in a weird way when I need more precision in Ultimate. Made the bad habit thing make a lot of sense.
I think specifying precise practice is valuable, people say they practice but really they're just playing to play and not playing to practice specific things. if you're making a constant effort towards practicing things that are better than what you're currently doing then I don't think it's that hard to unlearn what you've previously practiced
a good music example is when a beginning keyboard or piano player finds the sustain pedal. They tend to overuse or abuse that and as a result the rhythm of the music and or the pedal feels dragged out for longer than neccessary due to the person trying to adjust their fingers within the time of the sustain pedal playing it out.
That tiger knee reminds me of a friend of mine that struggles with the new TK Axl bomber because his trick was 3 then 360 the stick for a TK DP input. It worked but now he has to learn 2369 and is struggling with it
Spent most of my guitar playing lifetime unlearned things. Sheesh. I've often thought that a lot of prodigies just kinda get lucky and do things optimally by accident when they start. Not to take anything away from their efforts.
The best example for me was while jumping from SF3 to SF5, i kept trying to anti air with parry, but in SFV you can't parry by pressing forward so i keep getting hit by jumps in
Bad habits in music can boost creativity... sometimes if you're in a creative slump, giving yourself "rules" or "handicaps" will pull you out of it. We have creative problem solving machines in our heads. Doesn't really apply to fighting games I don't think. Also I'll ft10 anyone for 100 bucks
I’ve said it before, Hotashi, you’re a real one bro!!! Thanks for the shoutout ❤️
"unlearn" or forget bad habits is hell, is even easier try to replace them with others (ideally not other bad habits)
So this is just my advice as a guitarist for over 20 years but the trick to unlearning bad habits for me was always to go back to practicing it correctly but doing it extremely slowly. You gotta do it slow enough that you're absolutely sure you aren't using the bad technique.
ok but what nobody wants to admit is that piling up bad habit after bad habit, just a mountain of bad habits, a mount everest of bad habits, eventually it all compresses into a little turd diamond.
Hey Hotashi, I am actually a classical musician, that did deal with a lot of bad habits, brought forth by questionable education (at first) and starting my instrument late. With time, and conscious, guided and deliberate effort, I was able to address most, if not all my past "bad" habits. While I like that the saying "practice makes perfect" is now being challenged by "practice makes permanent," I personally dont think its entirely accurate. Practice only really reinforces, and/or harvests habit. Habit is only really permanent if you dont want/need to change it. So, if we want to be fancy and make the saying digestible, then in my experience and opinion, I would say "practice makes habit". If a professional finds the need to, they have the experience and fundamentals to apply practice to challenge habit and/or form new ones.
This is an insightful response.
I learned FL11 with no tutorials or help by just clicking around and figuring out what was where/what did what, and then proceeded to be completely oblivious to any and all keyboard shortcuts that weren't F5-F9 until about 2-3 years later. Granted, that's not relative to the convo, but while using that software I had a bunch of habits I've had to tackle, and even some I can't shake that I lean on to this day. Seeing the idea of "practice makes permanent" applied to FGs is super interesting and I've been speaking with my friends I play with a lot about habits lately, so this topic is fresh on the mind. Thanks for discussing it a bit more in depth Hotashi!
It's great to see people out spreading love for wind instruments.
Skateboarding follows this pretty heavy. It’s all about foot placement . For example you need to put your foot at a 45 degree angle right behind the front two bolts to kick flip correctly and consistently
However the people aren’t consistent think putting your foot lower towards the middle makes it easier to flip but your control becomes very inconsistent … which is a big problem if you’re throwing yourself down stairs
Man I make the skateboarding comparison to fighting games all the time too!! 🦾🦾
@@Joe-lv3pc the two feel identical to me in terms of what goes on in my brain and muscles when learning/doing both.
@@rpemulis ya getting that muscle memory is key!
@@Joe-lv3pc I’m with you. I tell all my friends to try fighting games . I tell them it’s all about execution and muscle memory and the time you put in pays off.
Man you got the best Playlist I ever heard. And every since you put guide and good insight for ggst neigo. I been getting extremely good.
Band teacher used to say this all the time! "Only perfect practice makes perfect".
It’s not always just practicing that leads to improvement, it’s efficient and perfect practice that leads to growth
This happened to me with Skiing. I've been Skiing all my life and up until recently I had been leaning backwards when going down slopes. Now, it's not exactly hidden knowledge that you shouldn't do this, as it takes much more work for less stability, but your natural instinct when going down a steep icy mountain is to lean back. Kid me always leaned back, and breaking 20 years of muscle memory was hell.
Permanent is a strong word. It's more like practice creates a habit, something you do on auto pilot. There are merits to creating habits and if a habit you have is detrimental, as long as you're conscious of it and make a conscious effort to correct it, you'll change it to be any way you want. Nothing is permanent in this world.
My fencing maestro would always say that only perfect practice makes perfect.
I learned from years of guitar that it's way better to take something slow and learn it correctly than to try and do it fast immediately. Speed will come with time. Get it *right* first then worry about making it fast. It can be frustrating in the short term but long term it's waaaay better for you. Habits are a bitch to break especially when you're trying to perform at the same time.
Flautist hotashi??? Pog as hell
Starting smash on 3DS has me now holding my GCN controller up to my chest in a weird way when I need more precision in Ultimate. Made the bad habit thing make a lot of sense.
Hotashi is like the wise Sensei to all of us aspiring vampire samurais. We are honored to have him.
My Karate Instructor I used to have would tell us say this, still has stuck with me for decades now.
These tunes are sick as hell
It's only a matter of time before legacy skill turns into cursed knowledge
Holy shit, streamer reacting inception
You should link the DomPalombiMusic twitch and VOD in the description!
👀 I commented earlier too 😂
Can confirm, am a developer. My colleagues and I have our own dirty deviant ways of manipulating our IDEs that make others cringe in revulsion.
yup, this is why teachers are important.
learned this from my middle school band teacher. he was a cool dude.
I think specifying precise practice is valuable, people say they practice but really they're just playing to play and not playing to practice specific things. if you're making a constant effort towards practicing things that are better than what you're currently doing then I don't think it's that hard to unlearn what you've previously practiced
a good music example is when a beginning keyboard or piano player finds the sustain pedal. They tend to overuse or abuse that and as a result the rhythm of the music and or the pedal feels dragged out for longer than neccessary due to the person trying to adjust their fingers within the time of the sustain pedal playing it out.
That tiger knee reminds me of a friend of mine that struggles with the new TK Axl bomber because his trick was 3 then 360 the stick for a TK DP input. It worked but now he has to learn 2369 and is struggling with it
Spent most of my guitar playing lifetime unlearned things. Sheesh. I've often thought that a lot of prodigies just kinda get lucky and do things optimally by accident when they start. Not to take anything away from their efforts.
i was in the chat during the tk reveal, it was like seeing the monster in a horror movie
I feel this shit after playing every game on pad with the fucking analog stick lmao
The best example for me was while jumping from SF3 to SF5, i kept trying to anti air with parry, but in SFV you can't parry by pressing forward so i keep getting hit by jumps in
It's hard to unlearn bad habits
Bad habits in music can boost creativity... sometimes if you're in a creative slump, giving yourself "rules" or "handicaps" will pull you out of it. We have creative problem solving machines in our heads.
Doesn't really apply to fighting games I don't think. Also I'll ft10 anyone for 100 bucks
My super jump input is the same!
my man should be playing goldlewis
He's back? :O
I just use 2 j.h, 2h, 258h, j.h, 6h for corner may
I shorten it a lot but that's just a combo I have in my hands
is unlearning really harder than learning something for the first time?
yes muscle memory is a bitch
@@matteovongola404 exactly
i have so many awful habits with premiere pro lol
Hotashi always jammin' ☺️
Practice is a necessary evil.
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