Darius Peyton He had the biggest comeback in hip hop history with Wins and Losses that shitted on Drakes last 3 projects.. Career far from over and his buzz gonna be even crazier when he get out of jail
Drake didn't kill Meek, the internet and the media did. Meek won the war he exposed Drake and the real hip hop community hasn't looked at him the same since. Including me. 💯 Btw Summer Sixteen was trash
Ghost writers have been in the industry for decades. Hell Ice Cube wrote half of NWA's stuff. The D.O.C. was a ghost writer before he came out. Shit ain't nothing new. Mumble rappers don't have ghost writers. You can't understand them any way.
Cube wasn't a ghost writer, he was always openly credited and NWA didn't hide it, its called "ghost" writers when they're being passed off as the singer/rapper's lyrics with no credit.
@@artikal_4592 I just liked the vibe of war pain. I don't expect Pac levels when I listen to Meek, but I thought War Pain was pretty solid. Except it came out several months after Back To Back which basically disqualifies it off rip
Forgot to mention Drake dropped summer 16 and meek mill responded 15 minutes later with war pains. Which basically proved beyond reasonable doubt that Drake must have had a writer and Meek had gotten access to the material.
False. Meek Mill said that he and Drake were staying in the same hotel at that time with Drake in a suite directly above Meek Mill's. Drake decided to troll Meek Mill by playing his unreleased song so loud that Meek Mill could hear the lyrics. Consequently, Meek Mill went to record War Pain before Drake released his record to the public.
rap started on the ghettos Street corners, Drake's fan base does not come from there. He is a pop artist not a rapper, the only reason people say he won.
Blame Meek for that. Went to Twitter instead of responding. I guarantee you if Meek had dropped something fire after charged up, back to back would not have got so much hype
Muhammad Patel saying a nigga has twitter fingers and saying its his girls tour when his girl the biggest female rap artist ever.... those disses weren't even disses lol
The Boy I didn’t think about that until seeing this video, but drake has low key dissed him several songs even after the beef has passed, in both summer sixteen as well as free smoke and it is clear who he is talking about but Meek hasn’t responded, also Meek is superior lyrically but he went onto twitter instead of taking it to studio so that shouldn’t be overlooked
Lt. Hilter the funny thing about that is, it did absolutely NOTHING to Drake. Scorpion came out and smashed everything in its path and Pusha is still irrelevant. When 50 killed Ja Rule, he made sure you didn't hear from him anymore, that's how you fuck someone. This though? Lmao Drake stays winning.
@Bon Fettucine Because Meek had the masses before Drake put that to an end. Styles never had that level of fame and money. Styles been consistently dope as an MC for nearly 3 decades. He doesn't need the fame, but if he got it and then lost it, it would look away. Meek on the hand needs the fame, because he is a good rapper but we know him more for being Nicki's man than anything else. So when Drake put a dent on that and his relationship with Nicki ended. It meant that Meek lost something he truly valued...fame and fortune.
Meek did and it's sad what this era has become lol Drake diss wasn't even a diss. He didn't expose Meek about 1 thing. Didn't pull Meeks card. Didn't rebuttal anything lol that's when I knew it was illogical to even diss Drake. Stans too strong
+Monque He rebuttaled everything Meek said (that Drake doesn't write his own shit), then he went in on Meek and dissed him for being a kept man. More important, the song was dope, at least imo. Also, let's look at your criticism and point it towards "Ether", considered one of the greatest disses of all time. - What did Nas expose about Jay in that song? That he references BIG's lyrics from time to time (which Jay freely admitted to, and clearly wasn't trying to act like he wrote the lyrics)? That he has fat lips? - What did he rebuttal? If I remember correctly, he didn't rebuttal anything Jay said (mainly, that Nas didn't own his own publishing to "Illmatic", that Jay boned Nas' baby mama, and that Nas was basically fronting, rapping about the life his brother Jungle lived) - Did he pull Jay's card? No. So why did Nas win the battle? He just had a better song (according to the public; I prefer "Takeover"). Same as Drake. If you have the better songs, you win, bottom line.
@@warking2734 Ok, but how? What did he actually say that put Jay out there or exposed something? He didn't expose anything about Jay, if I remember correctly. The only reason he "won" was because he made a better sounding record. Not to mention, when Hot 97 did the contest on the radio, they made it "Super Ugly" vs "Ether", which is ridiculous, cuz "Super Ugly" was just a freestyle-type, mixtape record, whereas "Ether" was the "official" diss. It should've been "Takeover" vs "Ether". That said, I wouldn't be surprised if "Ether" still edged it. Both songs were dope, with dope beats and hooks and bars, but "Ether" slightly edged it on the beat and hook (while "Takeover" had the better lyrics), which usually matters most to the average person. Plus, Nas was definitely the underdog in that one, and people always love an underdog story.
@@Updogg3000 Great point about Jay vs Nas. BUT the person with the better songs doesn't always win. Drake has better wayyy more popular songs than Pusha T but in the beef between those two Push slaughtered him badly, you can still see that Drake is hurt by that when he talks about it
Marlow Stanfield You’re right, Pusha definitely got Drake. I wasn’t trying to say it was always that way, I should’ve clarified that. One of my favorite diss songs of all time was “2nd Round KO” by Canibus (a much better song than “The ripper strikes back” or whatever LL’s song was called), but he definitely lost the battle to LL. Push was a genius with how he did it. He hit drake up over several songs on an album, and a very dope album at that. But, more importantly, he exposed real dirt on Drake, possibly the worst ever in a rap beef (it’s either that or Jay’s “Carmen” diss). This was some deeply personal, hurtful shit. Further, it probably made Drake wonder what else Push knew about him.
The war is a tie because like you said the ghostwriting will forever haunt Drake but Meek losing a battle to basically a pop star and someone honestly he was expected to handle is going to affect his legacy too and that's gonna haunt him the rest of his career as well
I think it was a draw because Meek won zero of the battles but he overall tarnished Drake's career but Drake also tarnished Meek's career as a philly kid coming from battling on the streets.
@@otaku-sx4bc when we talk tarnishing a reputation we mean from a creative standpoint. Drake doesn’t pen his own shit, his Stans don’t care because they don’t know anything about hiphop other than “Drake, Em, Jay, Pac, etc”.
Raquai Johenkins bad analogy, broken bones heal. This like Drake won a bout with Meek only to find he has to take less matches after cuz everything in his right arm is fucked, no more usage and only pulls him down more and more over time.
@@y.s.lplugsosa4205 That's cus his songs are more radio friendly lol he does dominate Billboard but most of his songs are lackluster He's nowhere near Kendrick if we're being honest
This is the first time that I disagree with you. It doesn’t matter if Drake has a Ghostwriter, if anyone really cared about that like you and me then drakes career would have slid off, but it hasn’t. Therefore Drake won the war as well. The fact that it hasn’t even dented his career is proof. Drake wins by a landslide
That ghostwriter question definitely stops Drake from being one of the greatest so Meek Mill got the war plus his freestyles were fire and aimed at Drake
I honestly think they both won, beside the jokes and shit online Meek been in the headlights for a long time because of this and he made a lot of money as well, Drake ''won'' at the end because he had a much larger fan base and more hype then Meek. all the disses were wack but we know that meek is able to do better, at the end i think that Meek Mill won because true fans of the culture and real street dudes can recognize authenticity, Drake hella fake and we keep seeing it till this day since the beef.
see the thing is i'd agree. but my arguement is even larger scale. Meek wins the hip hop aspect of the war and for some of you cool. tap out here, i understand completely. But.. and a heavy but.. Drakes numbers... with the stream conversion rate. Are HIGHER than Rihanna. NO DEBATE. SO Across all categories. Rihanna is number 10 all time right now... up against the beatles, the eagles, Garth brooks, elvis all that. Drake is bigger than rihanna number wise now. Drake will be, if continuing short of a major career flop or knock on wood death. Drake will be in the top 5-3 biggest number wise in ALL categories of music ALL TIME.. All time. All time. every category.. So maybe meek wins the hip hop war. but again if u consider that the war then cool. i understand. But drake will be mentioned historically, in the categories of Elvis and the Beatles. So .. Yeah.
I think your so right I get but meek has to really start rapping at 100% coz at the level he makes great music and that ghost writing thing is like poison and I feel they will go at it again and this time it going to be a classic
Over the past couple of days I recently just got wind of you and I've been watching crazy episodes of "Who really won". Anyway, I wanna give you mad props on ur research(bigups👌🏽) and I think ur doing one hell of a job. I had something to say to you about the 50 and Ja beef but you responded immediately and I sent my apologetic reply. Now, I just wanted to say I think ur putting out a dope product and so far, I agree with everything ur saying. Keep doin what ur doin and I'll continue to watch. Good job. 👍🏼
How can you label ‘war’ as a “long term Victory, ending someone’s career” if you’re making these UA-cam videos shortly after the beef starts and/or ends?
Just found your channel and already watch 4 long videos, 50 cent my fav rapper. Speaking of 50. When will you add the beef with 50 cent and Jarule? That video will be something a lot of ppl would watch and I would really like to see it myself and see how it all started and the details. Are you working on that video? Another request, plz make beef videos of Eminem vs benzeno, plz make a video with Nas VS Jay Z. I'm telling you I'm not the only one that wants to see this. What videos are you working on now? (If any).
Meeks music is better to me n alot of real dudes that can relate will say the same.... Drake's music is more pop than anything n h is fake, never started from the bottom. this dude didn't even say anything about war pain....he bombed in Drake with that diss. what's up with this guy. Drake is a clown...he used to be good.
Musically he did start from the bottom this nigga was from Canada and hat to move up the rap ranks and now he is at the top. This drake is fake stuff needs to stop because if he is fake 99% of rappers can be labelled that
- The amount of money you have does not guarantee success he was getting paid 50k a year and desgrassi thats not a life changing about - Trappers come into the game with more than that maybe just maybe drake decided to Do something legit instead of the drugs - His mum had two jobs as a teacher and a florist since when does that make you rich ?? -
Buba Buba the man was born rich lol. If he was talking about the bottom o the rap game he would be right cause nobody knew him until Wayne put him on. But the song implies that he's talking about money and status.
There is no shadow of doubt. Any track that is co-written by someone will be accredited to that person. So if you are ever wondering "Did Drake write this?" just look at the credits.
This war isn’t over. With Drake recent actions I think he may come out winning this war and gaining his respect that’s been lost throughout this ordeal. In the end, he never had a ghost writer (Quentin was always credited) and once you examine the reference tracks, Drake rewritten most of what Quentin spit. You should redo this sometime next year or whenever Meek gets out and see how it all ends
@@msawmusic no one said he never wrote, he just needed help with those songs (and I believe throughout his career ex. the weeknd on take care), and the nigga literally admitted that he got help with his verses
@@imwrightnotwrong3140 it’s called co-writing and everyone in the industry does it. Just working with a producer is co-writing. So unless an artist writes their lyrics AND music, it’ll ALWAYS be a collaborative process. It’s a very childish mindset to think that makes you less-than as an artist 😂
The responses from the Drake fan boys in this tread further proves the delusion of some Drake fans. Drake is a "Rapper who sings", most importantly though he's a rapper. Most of his Pop fan base know nothing about Hip-hop culture, Drake wants his pen compared to rap greatest like his idols. The ghostwriting already killed all that, no amount of commercial success can't remove the legacy stains. Only Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole has the chance of been put alongside "Jay-Z, 2Pac, Nas, B.I.G, Eminem, Rakim, KRS-One". Drake will only be a mainstream successful rapper, it's worse than Hov battling the ghost of Pac and BIG for universal acclaim.
I would say Meek Mill won, for the simple fact that "Back to Back" & "Charged Up" was popping for 2-3 months compared to the rumours of Drake Having a Ghost writer is still going around
drake won the battle meel won the war. becuz drake has been losong credibitlity since meek exposed him... lyrically meek never won. ppl. are TRYING to kill the messenger
I feel like it was halfway, Drake now has that image of using a Ghostwriter. But for a while, Meek became quite the L magnet as a result of Drakes diss.
Meek definitely won the war. Now people will never credit Drake as a top tier lyricist. And that also gave Pusha T some ammo for Infared...and we all know how that played out.
I dont no were drake comes from but i do no he just won 13 billboard awards including being the hottest in the game very consistent from the very first time he came out
My thing is.... Nas took a while to drop the ether bomb on jay z and people rushed meek to drop asap! I just feel like if social media didn’t have such a dominance it would’ve been more fair to judge who won. This battle was great for hip hop though. Ima meek fan but I admire both artists💯👌🏽
But its was 3 songs how can that possible paint his whole career that he does not write if you listen to all his mixtape and albums etc... Make painted the picture that drake has never written in his life and drake haters ran with it.
esco 95 drake has put out mid album after mid album and no matter how bad it is his fanbase will eat it up and think he’s the goat. Drake makes hits, meek spits bars. Drakes a pop artist, meek is a rapper. From a hip hop standpoint drake is nowhere near Meeks level. Almost everything about meek as an artist is better than drake. Just because drake sells more doesn’t mean he’s better.
I agree with you - astute observation about there being a permanent dark cloud over Drake's career. I think even if fans say they don't care in that moment, all they need is the right context in order to care all of a sudden. You have to understand that fans are fanatics and by that very definition not very rational. They'll conveniently "not care" because they're fans. They're predisposed to favoritism and they'll find ways to rationalize their favoritism of one artist over another. Even if Meek had dropped the most awesome diss in the history of mankind Drake's fans would've still rationalized the possibility of him not writing his own songs as secondary to the fact that "he drops great records and that's all that matters at the end of the day." Now cue in Kendrick. If Kendrick had been the one to make that accusation and enter the battle, I guarantee you more fans in general and Drake fans in particular would've been willing to entertain the idea that not writing your own bars is sacrilege in hip hop. Kendrick has the star power and emotioal entrenchment (ability to make fans irrational) to sway that point of view back to the traditional point of view of "write your own shit or else you ain't real". Add that to the fact that Drake hasn't exactly been dropping anything unpredictable or earth shattering and you have yourself a situation where that privilege being granted Drake particularly now that Kendrick has dropped is being withdrawn though not really spoken about. Great video. Kudos to you.
Recovery Will Come soaxzing wear he hasn't released an actual album in almost 3 years. he released DC 4 and sold 70k units even though he was promoting the shit out of it. where is he thriving? did any of his singles from DC 4 break the billboard top 10 ? no. Drake hit meek harder both short term and long term. people may say Drake ain't the greatest. don't think he really cares. Views went 5* platinum. best selling album to date. his ghost writers has not been proven every song they say was ghost written he gave writing credit to. people just want to see Drake fall that's it period it's like when Jay Z was at his Heights and they continually said that he was a biggie lyric biter. when 50 was at his Heights and they continually said he was a snitch. when ja rule was at his Heights and they continually said he was a swagger jacker. people love seeing the biggest fall. meek planted a seed and people ran with it they don't even care if it's true or not.
nobody won they in different lanes and drake is just a image he aint going down as one of the greats LOL, meek made alot of corny moves like tweeting plus meek should of just mind his business and get his money thats not your place to talk on another man thats snitching ALSO what is their to say about a rich jewish man how you dis that spoon fed nigga?
Meek won the rap battle to honestly and I'm a fan of both. People don't know Meek dropped a slew of great freestyles aimed at Drake during the beef. War Pain was better than Back to Back in my opinion. It was direct and filled with aggression and bars. Meek's Summer Sixteen freestyle was incredible as well.
Shaquille Davis I know this is 2 months late, but Meek would've won had it been for him dropping those freestyles and War Pain right after Back To Back was released, not 8 months after no one gave a fuck about it anymore. I like Drake, but I was going for Meek because I knew he was from Philly and like Quake said, those cats from Philly can usually spit some great bars and shit like that. Drake is not the most lyrical artist, he isn't terrible with lyricism, but definitely not at that Nas, B.I.G., or Eminem level. Meek ruined Drake's rep with the ghostwriting rumors, but really not that much. Drake can never be considered in the talks of the greatest rap artists of all time because of the shadow of the ghostwriting rumors looming over him, but that's it. People don't give a fuck about a rep, they only care about how much gets sold nowadays. Meek and Drake were tied in the war portion imo because they both had big gains in their careers because of it tbh. Drake won the battle part without a doubt, he stood his ground. Like I said, he's not even close to the most lyrical artist, but he might be one of the smartest there is. He really thought it out when it came to the battle portion, but that's just my opinion.
Yeah Drake got ghost writers and damn near everyone else in the industry but let’s not forget the fact that drake also writes for other people as well. Fall for Your Type by Jamie Foxx, Father Stretch My Hands by Kanye, I’m Single by Lil Wayne, RIP by Rita Ora, Mine by Beyoncé, Unthinkable by Alicia Keys, etc. All those songs were great. Can’t stunt though I was a lil disappointed when I heard he had ghostwriters himself. He got mad talent so there’s no need for them.
Drake bodied Meek at that time but Meek won the war as nobody remembers back 2 back and charged up but one thing people still remember & stigmatize Drake with are the Ghostwriting accusation from Meek, , Drake's rep as a lyricist has taken major damage
The HIP HOP community decides who is king! Cooperation and media does not!. Drake made some good records. But he was never a "Lyricist" A majority of his fans don't even understand the origin of Hip hop. It doest matter if the country club guys feel comfortable around Drake! They don't decide who's king. It doesn't matter if pop fans feel comfortable are drake! They don't decide who's king. It doesn't matter if culture vultures feel comfortable around Drake! The don't decide who's king. Drake is gonna continue to sell records because he is the golden jew! But all of these people can decide pop but they'll NEVER decide HIP HOP because hip hop started as a voice for the voiceless inner city. kendrick is crowned in today's or even Eminem because Em came up from the struggle as well!. But Drake is a culture vulture and I don't care how much Jews back him...He will never be king! #longlivehiphoppurist
When you watch these concert videos without sound... these rappers look like a bunch of toddlers figuring out how to jump up and down... then they look around to see who watching 🤣
One thing I know for a fact why Meek won the war before that battle even happened is that Drake wants respect as "RAPPER", and a cool "Black" guy; and he always knew in his heart that Meek was the cool black guy/rapper that he looked up to. He only entertained Meek, because his cool guy black rapper role model looked down on him. In a room full of people with Meek and drake also in the room; Drake would lose the cool part because he's not a cool black guy. That will never go away and he knows that. #Facts !!!
Bro it's like drake said if someone else is writing for him then why ain't they popping. Miller has even rapped on gucci's music and he ain't popping like that
KingLos im a jayz fan but i m a hiphop fan first,nas won the battle and da war bcuz nas became more liked and it was like his awakening back in hiphop,jayz signing him didnt make him win da war.jayz still around bcuz he is a hell of an mc and business man.
Great video man, you hit all the right points bout short and long term. I loved wins and loses, but didn't care for drakes last album, but I'm still a drake fan. As for as that looming shadow, in my eyes, I will always have that doubt. I guess I'm an old head cause, lyrics are really important to me and who writes them. A reason that makes me love Kendrick and j cole. I unfortunately can't put drake amongst them, because of doubt and tribute to bars. It's just facts. Thanks for the content quake, look forward to more vids.
Meek lost the war too, there are 2 Meeks Mills, the Meek before Back to back and the meek after Back to back. Meek proved to everyone he could not stand head to head with "Heartbreak Drake." Meek became a meme and it is hard to take him serious to this day. Sure, Meek Mill released a good album afterwards but just like Drake, Meek Mill's image was damaged as well, rapping about his Rollie in a diss track. Meek Mill being from the slums of Philly (where they pride themselves with great lyrical rappers) and Drake being the non-street kid who grew up with a middle class family and was often labeled as an emotional rapper, it is embarrassing that Meek would lose to Drake.
Im a Philly OG in this rap game and having ghost writters is absolutely wack. The thing that makes a rapper an MC is being able to use your grammar artistically. If somebody writes your lyrics then you basically telling somebody else story. If it came off the top of your head then its your story. Your work. Its very important that rappers write there own materials especially diss tracks. Your goal is to lyrically destroy your opponent with clever wordplay and delivery. You dont wish death or any ill will against them. Yoy just want to dominate the game and when you on top its hip hop law to defend your brand. So if you dont write your own lyrics then you just as wack as Milli Vanilli with that lip syncing......ghost writting almost just as bad.
Meek sacrificed himself for the culture man...pour some out for Meek
Ay fucking men.
Darius Peyton i never thought of it like that...but yur kinda right
Darius Peyton He had the biggest comeback in hip hop history with Wins and Losses that shitted on Drakes last 3 projects.. Career far from over and his buzz gonna be even crazier when he get out of jail
MINK
Hell MF Yeah #FreeMeekMill
j2323j FACTS
Nicki was a big distraction
mac 10 reloaded she was put there for that purpose
mac 10 reloaded she was the reason he didn't replied and took the beef to insta
GloBoy ONIFC yeah he was happy getting that good pussy to strike at drake with full force
Nawwwww fam
Drake didn't kill Meek, the internet and the media did. Meek won the war he exposed Drake and the real hip hop community hasn't looked at him the same since. Including me. 💯
Btw Summer Sixteen was trash
did you hear meek rap over summer 16? its good.
Geovanni Robinson yeah it was good. Actually it's not really trash but I thought war pain was wayyy better.
BloodHound LXght meek mill is trash also so what's your point? Drake still won.
luis angel is you dumb or is you stupid?
BloodHound LXght are* you and are* you. Ironic to make a post about someone being dumb with that writing huh?
This was the internet beef, not rap beef ok!
Fredo Benji lmao
You know?
@@furious-vengeance I WANNA KNOW
Ghost writers have been in the industry for decades. Hell Ice Cube wrote half of NWA's stuff. The D.O.C. was a ghost writer before he came out. Shit ain't nothing new.
Mumble rappers don't have ghost writers. You can't understand them any way.
Cube wasn't a ghost writer, he was always openly credited and NWA didn't hide it, its called "ghost" writers when they're being passed off as the singer/rapper's lyrics with no credit.
Jonathan Norris ....lol that is so true
Hip-Hop Galaxy well Eazy-E wasn’t a rapper
You are right
True, Jay-Z wrote the majority of Snoop and Dres lyrics on Chronic 2001.
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION WAR PAIN! 💯
Solid diss track, even tho it came out 6 months later lol
@@jimmyhooks war pain was trash image tupac's hit em up but pac only talks about his money and rarely mentions biggie
@@artikal_4592 I just liked the vibe of war pain. I don't expect Pac levels when I listen to Meek, but I thought War Pain was pretty solid. Except it came out several months after Back To Back which basically disqualifies it off rip
@@artikal_4592 Meek has a few lines in War Pain about Drake. Nothing career shattering but decent bars
That shit was mad butt, he barely even dissed him lol
Forgot to mention Drake dropped summer 16 and meek mill responded 15 minutes later with war pains. Which basically proved beyond reasonable doubt that Drake must have had a writer and Meek had gotten access to the material.
Esharido Niggaz Dancing Like Dey Fruit Cakes.. Hotline Bling Dont Get No Bang Up In Diz New Wraith 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
False. Meek Mill said that he and Drake were staying in the same hotel at that time with Drake in a suite directly above Meek Mill's. Drake decided to troll Meek Mill by playing his unreleased song so loud that Meek Mill could hear the lyrics. Consequently, Meek Mill went to record War Pain before Drake released his record to the public.
@@OHBoy330 bro do you speak English?
@@BabsW thank you
@@envythagod8699 No problem
rap started on the ghettos Street corners, Drake's fan base does not come from there. He is a pop artist not a rapper, the only reason people say he won.
C Notë nigga I come from there
C Notë
Sugar Hill Gang is "Pop" too but it's still HIP-HOP.
losgryfog exactly
C Notë facts
So you're just gonna act like Back to Back didn't end that battle
Drake was silent during the twitter rant because his ghostwriters were backed up
Michael you’re not funny
Haithem Mohd Back to back was written tho
Michael
LMFAO
😂😂😂😂😂
This is played out now . We know how much drake does write and even used to write for other people
Back to back is one of the most overhyped songs of all time.
Blame Meek for that. Went to Twitter instead of responding. I guarantee you if Meek had dropped something fire after charged up, back to back would not have got so much hype
The Goat nonsense that track is up there with one of the best diss records ever
Muhammad Patel how tho? those disses on there were so fucking soft
HeyIKeepSeeingYou jr they were hard af just cause it ain't no street thing don't make it soft
Muhammad Patel saying a nigga has twitter fingers and saying its his girls tour when his girl the biggest female rap artist ever.... those disses weren't even disses lol
In the long run, Meek won. He forever tarnished Drake's legacy by exposing him as a fraud.
The Boy NIGGA WHAT
The Boy I didn’t think about that until seeing this video, but drake has low key dissed him several songs even after the beef has passed, in both summer sixteen as well as free smoke and it is clear who he is talking about but Meek hasn’t responded, also Meek is superior lyrically but he went onto twitter instead of taking it to studio so that shouldn’t be overlooked
Year later and Scorpion drops and proves Drakes career is just fine. Take this L
@@MrMitchywoo Pusha fucked Drake...
Lt. Hilter the funny thing about that is, it did absolutely NOTHING to Drake. Scorpion came out and smashed everything in its path and Pusha is still irrelevant. When 50 killed Ja Rule, he made sure you didn't hear from him anymore, that's how you fuck someone. This though? Lmao Drake stays winning.
Drake forsure won the battle and the war. One could argue that Meek didn’t get back to the masses until Drake patched it up with him and did Going Bad
That’s not true lmao.
How is that a dub then? Styles P is not with the masses and is leagues better than both these bums on the mic
@Bon Fettucine Because Meek had the masses before Drake put that to an end. Styles never had that level of fame and money. Styles been consistently dope as an MC for nearly 3 decades. He doesn't need the fame, but if he got it and then lost it, it would look away. Meek on the hand needs the fame, because he is a good rapper but we know him more for being Nicki's man than anything else. So when Drake put a dent on that and his relationship with Nicki ended. It meant that Meek lost something he truly valued...fame and fortune.
Facts
Drake is way bigger than meek mill
Meek did and it's sad what this era has become lol Drake diss wasn't even a diss. He didn't expose Meek about 1 thing. Didn't pull Meeks card. Didn't rebuttal anything lol that's when I knew it was illogical to even diss Drake. Stans too strong
+Monque He rebuttaled everything Meek said (that Drake doesn't write his own shit), then he went in on Meek and dissed him for being a kept man. More important, the song was dope, at least imo.
Also, let's look at your criticism and point it towards "Ether", considered one of the greatest disses of all time.
- What did Nas expose about Jay in that song? That he references BIG's lyrics from time to time (which Jay freely admitted to, and clearly wasn't trying to act like he wrote the lyrics)? That he has fat lips?
- What did he rebuttal? If I remember correctly, he didn't rebuttal anything Jay said (mainly, that Nas didn't own his own publishing to "Illmatic", that Jay boned Nas' baby mama, and that Nas was basically fronting, rapping about the life his brother Jungle lived)
- Did he pull Jay's card? No.
So why did Nas win the battle? He just had a better song (according to the public; I prefer "Takeover"). Same as Drake. If you have the better songs, you win, bottom line.
Chris L. Actually nas did pull jays card
@@warking2734 Ok, but how? What did he actually say that put Jay out there or exposed something? He didn't expose anything about Jay, if I remember correctly. The only reason he "won" was because he made a better sounding record.
Not to mention, when Hot 97 did the contest on the radio, they made it "Super Ugly" vs "Ether", which is ridiculous, cuz "Super Ugly" was just a freestyle-type, mixtape record, whereas "Ether" was the "official" diss. It should've been "Takeover" vs "Ether".
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if "Ether" still edged it. Both songs were dope, with dope beats and hooks and bars, but "Ether" slightly edged it on the beat and hook (while "Takeover" had the better lyrics), which usually matters most to the average person. Plus, Nas was definitely the underdog in that one, and people always love an underdog story.
@@Updogg3000 Great point about Jay vs Nas. BUT the person with the better songs doesn't always win. Drake has better wayyy more popular songs than Pusha T but in the beef between those two Push slaughtered him badly, you can still see that Drake is hurt by that when he talks about it
Marlow Stanfield You’re right, Pusha definitely got Drake. I wasn’t trying to say it was always that way, I should’ve clarified that. One of my favorite diss songs of all time was “2nd Round KO” by Canibus (a much better song than “The ripper strikes back” or whatever LL’s song was called), but he definitely lost the battle to LL.
Push was a genius with how he did it. He hit drake up over several songs on an album, and a very dope album at that. But, more importantly, he exposed real dirt on Drake, possibly the worst ever in a rap beef (it’s either that or Jay’s “Carmen” diss). This was some deeply personal, hurtful shit. Further, it probably made Drake wonder what else Push knew about him.
Can you do one on “Method Man vs Joe Budden” that’s a good One to do.
SuperDETV I didn't know that
I remember everyone in NY waiting for meek to diss drake. but Meeks response was too late and he didn’t come that hard #facts
Growing up is realizing that Meek Mill actually won this beef but Drake was the bigger artist. Only people who understand will understand what i said.
that ghost writer shit killed Drake, lost the respect
More like Meek Mill vs Daylyt
First thing that came to mind when i saw this was "you just got bodied by a singing nigga!" That bar going down in beef hall of fame!!
The war is a tie because like you said the ghostwriting will forever haunt Drake but Meek losing a battle to basically a pop star and someone honestly he was expected to handle is going to affect his legacy too and that's gonna haunt him the rest of his career as well
That’s cap meek mill got destroyed I never looked at him the same way
Especially not now that we know he got his butt taken by Diddy
The "back to back" pun at 5:25 😂🔥
4 years later and Drake is still the biggest artist out so he definitely didn't lose the war🤔😔
I think it was a draw because Meek won zero of the battles but he overall tarnished Drake's career but Drake also tarnished Meek's career as a philly kid coming from battling on the streets.
Karma Crew lol you clearly never heard war pain .
well this did not age well, Drake is the biggest artist in hip hop right now.
Foh Drake molly whooped Meek
@@otaku-sx4bc when we talk tarnishing a reputation we mean from a creative standpoint. Drake doesn’t pen his own shit, his Stans don’t care because they don’t know anything about hiphop other than “Drake, Em, Jay, Pac, etc”.
kinda like that and it s 2023 and drake is still trolled for things or lossing against pusha t and for having ghost writers
Just because drake won doesn't mean he came out unscathed you can win a fight by k.o and have a broken nose can't you?
Raquai Johenkins he had a broken neck by then
Yep
Nah just imagine getting K.O.s and all this time you’ve been using steroids
Raquai Johenkins bad analogy, broken bones heal. This like Drake won a bout with Meek only to find he has to take less matches after cuz everything in his right arm is fucked, no more usage and only pulls him down more and more over time.
Best analysis. Meek is where he's at and can grow but Drake can never be in a top 20 lyricist because of the Meek Mill blow he suffered.
JoJoeBOC87 i’m sure drakes hurt he’s not on your barber shop list
Well now he got artist of decade
@Cfc7ninja 12 i dont even know u nigga whtever ,its not changing my viewpoint
@@y.s.lplugsosa4205 That's cus his songs are more radio friendly lol he does dominate Billboard but most of his songs are lackluster He's nowhere near Kendrick if we're being honest
This is the first time that I disagree with you. It doesn’t matter if Drake has a Ghostwriter, if anyone really cared about that like you and me then drakes career would have slid off, but it hasn’t. Therefore Drake won the war as well. The fact that it hasn’t even dented his career is proof. Drake wins by a landslide
That ghostwriter question definitely stops Drake from being one of the greatest so Meek Mill got the war plus his freestyles were fire and aimed at Drake
I honestly think they both won, beside the jokes and shit online Meek been in the headlights for a long time because of this and he made a lot of money as well, Drake ''won'' at the end because he had a much larger fan base and more hype then Meek. all the disses were wack but we know that meek is able to do better, at the end i think that Meek Mill won because true fans of the culture and real street dudes can recognize authenticity, Drake hella fake and we keep seeing it till this day since the beef.
blacksan56 interesting point of view. You're right they both benefited, maybe Meek not so much when it was going down but after he did.
War pain was fire!!! And All the way! They just didn't get the public recognition
+Owen Yeah everything he dropped after the first diss was tight af but the first diss wasn't really good.
Rappers in general are fake every one knows this they portray a life they dont live.
+Buba Buba Not all of them, but yea too many wankstas these days.
meek was overlooked hard
Te 4565 he rap about the same thing tho
Jag June
Like Drake don't gtfoh
Drake won the battle, meek won the war.
sims4610593 I agree just because Drake is known for having a ghost writer & that take Drake outta the top MC's of all time
sims4610593 i agree 💯
see the thing is i'd agree. but my arguement is even larger scale.
Meek wins the hip hop aspect of the war and for some of you cool. tap out here, i understand completely.
But.. and a heavy but..
Drakes numbers... with the stream conversion rate. Are HIGHER than Rihanna. NO DEBATE.
SO
Across all categories. Rihanna is number 10 all time right now... up against the beatles, the eagles, Garth brooks, elvis all that.
Drake is bigger than rihanna number wise now.
Drake will be, if continuing short of a major career flop or knock on wood death.
Drake will be in the top 5-3 biggest number wise in ALL categories of music ALL TIME..
All time.
All time. every category..
So maybe meek wins the hip hop war. but again if u consider that the war then cool. i understand.
But drake will be mentioned historically, in the categories of Elvis and the Beatles. So .. Yeah.
Drake and his ghostwriters lmao and this is why he lost the war, everything he achieves now is tainted by that L Meek handled him at the start
sims4610593 he did bring up war pain
jadakiss vs beanie do that
I think your so right I get but meek has to really start rapping at 100% coz at the level he makes great music and that ghost writing thing is like poison and I feel they will go at it again and this time it going to be a classic
Over the past couple of days I recently just got wind of you and I've been watching crazy episodes of "Who really won". Anyway, I wanna give you mad props on ur research(bigups👌🏽) and I think ur doing one hell of a job. I had something to say to you about the 50 and Ja beef but you responded immediately and I sent my apologetic reply. Now, I just wanted to say I think ur putting out a dope product and so far, I agree with everything ur saying. Keep doin what ur doin and I'll continue to watch. Good job. 👍🏼
ghost writing doesnt belong in hip hop
U can tell this isn't a real beef because the video is only 10 min
Drake never responded to Joe Budden or Pusha T who both ethered him
Drake careeer got both of them beat
😂😂😂😂
@Willie S 😳😳
No shopping by Drake and French Montana
LeaderweUp Shit Wuz Trash & You Know It B. Tuck Dat Damn Answer Back In Yo Pocket 😂😂
Meek won, no debate
Nishina loves cake nop
Stop
Meek won.
Capppp
You can't be the best rapper alive if you not write your own shit PERIOD
I like the way you think bro....You took the words right out of my mouth on this one....you need more subscribers
Thank you for taking out the time to watch and comment really appreciate it.
Marquese DeShields I
How can you label ‘war’ as a “long term Victory, ending someone’s career” if you’re making these UA-cam videos shortly after the beef starts and/or ends?
2-3 years after the beef started he posted this. 2-3 years in the music industry is a long time
Drake never had a ghost writer if Quentin Miller was actually in the writer credits
the meek should inherit the earth💯
So I dug his ass out cause drizzy buried you first 💯
Eddie Meeks PEST CONTROL
Just found your channel and already watch 4 long videos, 50 cent my fav rapper. Speaking of 50. When will you add the beef with 50 cent and Jarule?
That video will be something a lot of ppl would watch and I would really like to see it myself and see how it all started and the details. Are you working on that video? Another request, plz make beef videos of Eminem vs benzeno, plz make a video with Nas VS Jay Z. I'm telling you I'm not the only one that wants to see this. What videos are you working on now? (If any).
Meeks music is better to me n alot of real dudes that can relate will say the same.... Drake's music is more pop than anything n h is fake, never started from the bottom. this dude didn't even say anything about war pain....he bombed in Drake with that diss. what's up with this guy. Drake is a clown...he used to be good.
Musically he did start from the bottom this nigga was from Canada and hat to move up the rap ranks and now he is at the top. This drake is fake stuff needs to stop because if he is fake 99% of rappers can be labelled that
he didnt start at no bottom stop with that bottom music shit he was rich as a teenager on degrassi he was never at no bottom like meek was
- The amount of money you have does not guarantee success he was getting paid 50k a year and desgrassi thats not a life changing about
- Trappers come into the game with more than that maybe just maybe drake decided to Do something legit instead of the drugs
- His mum had two jobs as a teacher and a florist since when does that make you rich ??
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Buba Buba the man was born rich lol. If he was talking about the bottom o the rap game he would be right cause nobody knew him until Wayne put him on. But the song implies that he's talking about money and status.
How was he born rich his mum was a single mother with 2 jobs as a teacher and a florist is that rich to you ????????????
Drake came up on his own lyrics like let’s be real. Congratulations thank me now etc... NEXT
Lmaoooo 😂🤣
Are you sure 🤣
Real Hip Hop Heads know Meek Mill Won. Drake will forever be 2nd Guessed and Tainted ass a Artist.
Original Man Meek has no ghostwriter and is wack, Drake can be 2nd guessed all the time and he still won. Killed him.
luis angel That's Your Opinion. You're A Victim of This Generations Mentality.
Original Man no actually I'm a victim of reality, you're a victim of stupidity. Meek didn't win shit this battle or war. He lost bad.
luis angel Until His Next Hit.
Original Man we been waiting on that hit for 2 years...that's like a decade in this era
Respect my opinion meek mill is better than Drake
Magrelloh stanna ma i think drake is better
Magrelloh stanna I agree 🔥
No bruh drake won,..meek can never beat drake on rap
Just take a look at the credits for Toosie Slide -
If we put aside the jokes and stuff, I would say Meek won but Drake back to back was not bad at all
ConflictGamingHD meek didn't win anything
Wut Dafuuh 2 months ago and you replied ? Thanks
ConflictGamingHD 💯💯 meek won
ConflictGamingHD just like meek that's why he lost get it. It was your own words
ConflictGamingHD Drake's a fucking ghost writer fuck b2b he didn't write that shit
There is no shadow of doubt. Any track that is co-written by someone will be accredited to that person. So if you are ever wondering "Did Drake write this?" just look at the credits.
Twitter fingers lmao
Speaking facts, not opinion, Drake won by a landslide. But Meek left a mark on Drake & people still question Drake from this day about his songwriting
This war isn’t over. With Drake recent actions I think he may come out winning this war and gaining his respect that’s been lost throughout this ordeal. In the end, he never had a ghost writer (Quentin was always credited) and once you examine the reference tracks, Drake rewritten most of what Quentin spit. You should redo this sometime next year or whenever Meek gets out and see how it all ends
Yeah no one was upset about him being credited or not, it was the fact that drake wasn't writing.
@@imwrightnotwrong3140 Drake always been writing. Their demos aren’t even the same
@@msawmusic no one said he never wrote, he just needed help with those songs (and I believe throughout his career ex. the weeknd on take care), and the nigga literally admitted that he got help with his verses
@@imwrightnotwrong3140 it’s called co-writing and everyone in the industry does it. Just working with a producer is co-writing. So unless an artist writes their lyrics AND music, it’ll ALWAYS be a collaborative process. It’s a very childish mindset to think that makes you less-than as an artist 😂
The responses from the Drake fan boys in this tread further proves the delusion of some Drake fans.
Drake is a "Rapper who sings", most importantly though he's a rapper.
Most of his Pop fan base know nothing about Hip-hop culture, Drake wants his pen compared to rap greatest like his idols.
The ghostwriting already killed all that, no amount of commercial success can't remove the legacy stains.
Only Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole has the chance of been put alongside "Jay-Z, 2Pac, Nas, B.I.G, Eminem, Rakim, KRS-One".
Drake will only be a mainstream successful rapper, it's worse than Hov battling the ghost of Pac and BIG for universal acclaim.
I would say Meek Mill won, for the simple fact that "Back to Back" & "Charged Up" was popping for 2-3 months compared to the rumours of Drake Having a Ghost writer is still going around
Bro meek has a ghost writer and so dies everyone else LOL
You forgot to mention war pain, and I think drake only won because of the fan base. Meek clearly clapped drake on ear pain
and don't forget that drake steals ppl's flows like xxxten
X didn't create the flow holy shit
Jalon Gulley Drake originally stole Kanye's flow. i remember when Drake came out and i couldn't tell him and Kanye apart.
Jalon Gulley maybe Kanye ghost wrote for Drake also
PhillyDj Hook Damn really? How you know?,just curious
This whole xxxten is such bullshit lol.
Say what you want, Drake won easy.
only the fakes fell back the real ones never left
50 Cent in the beginning.
"Nigga had Will Smith out there son."😂
drake won the battle meel won the war. becuz drake has been losong credibitlity since meek exposed him... lyrically meek never won. ppl. are TRYING to kill the messenger
LOL stfu
Meek lost
I feel like it was halfway, Drake now has that image of using a Ghostwriter. But for a while, Meek became quite the L magnet as a result of Drakes diss.
CAN YOU DO A DRAKE VS PUSHA T???
I fucc wit Meek ..
Briccboy Wilt Drake hangs around too many slobs
I don’t
Meek definitely won the war. Now people will never credit Drake as a top tier lyricist. And that also gave Pusha T some ammo for Infared...and we all know how that played out.
I dont no were drake comes from but i do no he just won 13 billboard awards including being the hottest in the game very consistent from the very first time he came out
My thing is.... Nas took a while to drop the ether bomb on jay z and people rushed meek to drop asap! I just feel like if social media didn’t have such a dominance it would’ve been more fair to judge who won. This battle was great for hip hop though. Ima meek fan but I admire both artists💯👌🏽
You ain't a rapper if you have a ghost writer, your an actor reading a script
True
Back after T.I confirmed Drake got peed on his new album.😔😭😂😭
Ok and tf you acting like he did it on purpose foh he was drunk.
Do Game vs Meek
AndyTriminio Fr
i agree with your assessment...and i do care if a artist has a 👻 writer...can't be one of the greats if someone else is creating art for you.
But its was 3 songs how can that possible paint his whole career that he does not write if you listen to all his mixtape and albums etc... Make painted the picture that drake has never written in his life and drake haters ran with it.
Meek won the war.
@@shukriaziz4723 whose career is better now 😂
esco 95 drake has put out mid album after mid album and no matter how bad it is his fanbase will eat it up and think he’s the goat. Drake makes hits, meek spits bars. Drakes a pop artist, meek is a rapper. From a hip hop standpoint drake is nowhere near Meeks level. Almost everything about meek as an artist is better than drake. Just because drake sells more doesn’t mean he’s better.
@@shukriaziz4723 LMFAOAOAO how TF did meek win the war 😂😂 Nigga drake is the ARTIST OF THE DECADE drake won the war n battle foh
I agree with you - astute observation about there being a permanent dark cloud over Drake's career. I think even if fans say they don't care in that moment, all they need is the right context in order to care all of a sudden.
You have to understand that fans are fanatics and by that very definition not very rational. They'll conveniently "not care" because they're fans. They're predisposed to favoritism and they'll find ways to rationalize their favoritism of one artist over another. Even if Meek had dropped the most awesome diss in the history of mankind Drake's fans would've still rationalized the possibility of him not writing his own songs as secondary to the fact that "he drops great records and that's all that matters at the end of the day."
Now cue in Kendrick. If Kendrick had been the one to make that accusation and enter the battle, I guarantee you more fans in general and Drake fans in particular would've been willing to entertain the idea that not writing your own bars is sacrilege in hip hop. Kendrick has the star power and emotioal entrenchment (ability to make fans irrational) to sway that point of view back to the traditional point of view of "write your own shit or else you ain't real". Add that to the fact that Drake hasn't exactly been dropping anything unpredictable or earth shattering and you have yourself a situation where that privilege being granted Drake particularly now that Kendrick has dropped is being withdrawn though not really spoken about.
Great video. Kudos to you.
if u dont write your own lyrics you not a lyricist..
Meek clearly lost no debating, dude clearly came unprepared but it did put a dent in his career but drake kept rolling, meek didn't
jfraz1992 Meek still popular and his career still thriving
he's not doing anything with it tho
how sway?
jfraz1992 Meek been spazzing!! Fuck you been at
Recovery Will Come soaxzing wear he hasn't released an actual album in almost 3 years. he released DC 4 and sold 70k units even though he was promoting the shit out of it. where is he thriving? did any of his singles from DC 4 break the billboard top 10 ? no. Drake hit meek harder both short term and long term. people may say Drake ain't the greatest. don't think he really cares. Views went 5* platinum. best selling album to date.
his ghost writers has not been proven every song they say was ghost written he gave writing credit to.
people just want to see Drake fall that's it period it's like when Jay Z was at his Heights and they continually said that he was a biggie lyric biter.
when 50 was at his Heights and they continually said he was a snitch.
when ja rule was at his Heights and they continually said he was a swagger jacker.
people love seeing the biggest fall.
meek planted a seed and people ran with it they don't even care if it's true or not.
nobody won they in different lanes and drake is just a image he aint going down as one of the greats LOL, meek made alot of corny moves like tweeting plus meek should of just mind his business and get his money thats not your place to talk on another man thats snitching ALSO what is their to say about a rich jewish man how you dis that spoon fed nigga?
alvin jones nah they gone be telling their kids how meek got bodied by a singing nigga
Kung Fu Kenny won. DAMN.
meek mill won the war
G M People will clown drake even after his career is over because of ghost writing,
Meek won the rap battle to honestly and I'm a fan of both. People don't know Meek dropped a slew of great freestyles aimed at Drake during the beef. War Pain was better than Back to Back in my opinion. It was direct and filled with aggression and bars. Meek's Summer Sixteen freestyle was incredible as well.
Shaquille Davis I know this is 2 months late, but Meek would've won had it been for him dropping those freestyles and War Pain right after Back To Back was released, not 8 months after no one gave a fuck about it anymore. I like Drake, but I was going for Meek because I knew he was from Philly and like Quake said, those cats from Philly can usually spit some great bars and shit like that. Drake is not the most lyrical artist, he isn't terrible with lyricism, but definitely not at that Nas, B.I.G., or Eminem level. Meek ruined Drake's rep with the ghostwriting rumors, but really not that much. Drake can never be considered in the talks of the greatest rap artists of all time because of the shadow of the ghostwriting rumors looming over him, but that's it. People don't give a fuck about a rep, they only care about how much gets sold nowadays. Meek and Drake were tied in the war portion imo because they both had big gains in their careers because of it tbh. Drake won the battle part without a doubt, he stood his ground. Like I said, he's not even close to the most lyrical artist, but he might be one of the smartest there is. He really thought it out when it came to the battle portion, but that's just my opinion.
so fucking true!!
War pain was amazing besides that other dude but meek ate but it was so late of a response that bitch niggas that don’t know rap was hating
Hell naw
Yeah Drake got ghost writers and damn near everyone else in the industry but let’s not forget the fact that drake also writes for other people as well. Fall for Your Type by Jamie Foxx, Father Stretch My Hands by Kanye, I’m Single by Lil Wayne, RIP by Rita Ora, Mine by Beyoncé, Unthinkable by Alicia Keys, etc. All those songs were great. Can’t stunt though I was a lil disappointed when I heard he had ghostwriters himself. He got mad talent so there’s no need for them.
You’re out you damn mind thinking Meek Mill won anything out of this beef.
Drake bodied Meek at that time but Meek won the war as nobody remembers back 2 back and charged up but one thing people still remember & stigmatize Drake with are the Ghostwriting accusation from Meek, , Drake's rep as a lyricist has taken major damage
"how you tell bitches to know themselves, you don't know yourself, you wouldn't know yourself"
The HIP HOP community decides who is king! Cooperation and media does not!. Drake made some good records. But he was never a "Lyricist" A majority of his fans don't even understand the origin of Hip hop. It doest matter if the country club guys feel comfortable around Drake! They don't decide who's king. It doesn't matter if pop fans feel comfortable are drake! They don't decide who's king. It doesn't matter if culture vultures feel comfortable around Drake! The don't decide who's king. Drake is gonna continue to sell records because he is the golden jew! But all of these people can decide pop but they'll NEVER decide HIP HOP because hip hop started as a voice for the voiceless inner city. kendrick is crowned in today's or even Eminem because Em came up from the struggle as well!. But Drake is a culture vulture and I don't care how much Jews back him...He will never be king! #longlivehiphoppurist
Antonio Holmes That Was good text. Thank to yo!
Antonio Holmes
Facts 💯👌
When you watch these concert videos without sound... these rappers look like a bunch of toddlers figuring out how to jump up and down... then they look around to see who watching 🤣
One thing I know for a fact why Meek won the war before that battle even happened is that Drake wants respect as "RAPPER", and a cool "Black" guy; and he always knew in his heart that Meek was the cool black guy/rapper that he looked up to. He only entertained Meek, because his cool guy black rapper role model looked down on him. In a room full of people with Meek and drake also in the room; Drake would lose the cool part because he's not a cool black guy. That will never go away and he knows that. #Facts !!!
Dayshawn Iverson wtf u stupid he a bigger star
WTF
lame ass beef smh
wheres war pain
Meek basically helped Pusha T in his future beef with Drake.
meek, all the way
I truly believe Drake writes his own stuff cause no one sounds like him but him.
Bro it's like drake said if someone else is writing for him then why ain't they popping. Miller has even rapped on gucci's music and he ain't popping like that
Drake clearly won this battle. Took Meek forever to respond when Drake had diss records out
j26Beezy #facts
j26Beezy facts
j26Beezy it's Easy to do that when you aren't writing your tracks.
Meek clearly won people who said Drake were just riding the wave
So do you think Jay Z beat Nas cause his career rose after the beef and Nas's fell apart?
Nas won the battle, Jay won the war. Jay eventually became Nas' boss by signing him to Def Jam.
KingLos im a jayz fan but i m a hiphop fan first,nas won the battle and da war bcuz nas became more liked and it was like his awakening back in hiphop,jayz signing him didnt make him win da war.jayz still around bcuz he is a hell of an mc and business man.
Devron Bartlett Jay won the battle and war. Jay diss songs> Nas diss songs
Diverse Mentality Nas didn’t sign to him they formed a partnership
I’m gonna disagree with you being that after that he had his most successful albums
Great video man, you hit all the right points bout short and long term. I loved wins and loses, but didn't care for drakes last album, but I'm still a drake fan. As for as that looming shadow, in my eyes, I will always have that doubt. I guess I'm an old head cause, lyrics are really important to me and who writes them. A reason that makes me love Kendrick and j cole. I unfortunately can't put drake amongst them, because of doubt and tribute to bars. It's just facts. Thanks for the content quake, look forward to more vids.
Do Cassidy vs Meek Mill, Pusha T vs YMCMB and The Game vs Jay-Z
Meek lost the war too, there are 2 Meeks Mills, the Meek before Back to back and the meek after Back to back. Meek proved to everyone he could not stand head to head with "Heartbreak Drake." Meek became a meme and it is hard to take him serious to this day. Sure, Meek Mill released a good album afterwards but just like Drake, Meek Mill's image was damaged as well, rapping about his Rollie in a diss track. Meek Mill being from the slums of Philly (where they pride themselves with great lyrical rappers) and Drake being the non-street kid who grew up with a middle class family and was often labeled as an emotional rapper, it is embarrassing that Meek would lose to Drake.
Drake could never rap again and he’d still have 10x more hits than anyone for a decade
I'm from Philly and Drake won. But I'm glad they peaced up
Fair analysis. But singers always have ghost writers. And I feel Drake has that singer mentality more than more than a rapper's mentality.
Im a Philly OG in this rap game and having ghost writters is absolutely wack. The thing that makes a rapper an MC is being able to use your grammar artistically. If somebody writes your lyrics then you basically telling somebody else story. If it came off the top of your head then its your story. Your work. Its very important that rappers write there own materials especially diss tracks. Your goal is to lyrically destroy your opponent with clever wordplay and delivery. You dont wish death or any ill will against them. Yoy just want to dominate the game and when you on top its hip hop law to defend your brand. So if you dont write your own lyrics then you just as wack as Milli Vanilli with that lip syncing......ghost writting almost just as bad.
Drake wasnt bothered not affected by meek accusations of him having a ghost writers
Meek won he took Drake out of the goat conversation forever.
Damn im meek fan but when that back to back dropped boy i was in my feelings 🤣