Adults forget that they see these stories through a different lens than kids. Kids aren’t seeing real world issues or controversy, they are seeing the scary elements, that in turn make them aware of real world dangers, in a way that they can understand.
Man I used to own ALL of the goosebumps books when I was little and up to a young teenager, then passed them along to my niece. I miss them. I want to try to collect them again for nostalgia sake
Interesting.. Just to see that Goosebumps were challenged back in the days compare to the newer ones. Didnt remember Attack of the Jack-o'-Lanterns having like race stereotypes, I probably didnt mind it since I just read it recently, but the rest. it's weird. lol. makes them worth reading I guess.
I think theyre all worth checking out just to see how they register in your own personal basis. Yeah majority of the books I mentioned get a little weird… for sure. I tried to find a modern one to be as controversial but I haven’t lol
I do understand that Sarah is a polarizing character but to me I feel she’s a little bit misunderstood bc she has the characteristics of dealing with Autism. I just read the book for Autism Awareness Month and she really feels like a autistic character with the struggling to make friends with her bunk mates and not being a outdoors type but she at least tries to do things that aren’t for her. I do say her couple of pranks does change that feeling a little bit but overall I felt for her through most of the book. So I do understand the moments that are considered controversial can take you away from the book but I still really enjoyed the book.
Damn...I read them as a kid over and over again. I watched the show, the movies. Slappy still scares me. Later on it was fear street I read. Maybe I didn't catch the controversies due to being young or reading the German books and some stuff got lost in translation.
The Goosebumps Short Stories that would be great episode adaptations are A Holly Jolly Holiday P S Don't Write Back A Werewolf's First Night Marshmallow Surprise Broken Dolls For The Birds and Spirit of The Harvest Moon.
I personally was never rlly into the Goosebumps series, I think it was because I didn’t find them all that scary. But hearing you and other people talk about it fascinates me! The only one I can vividly remember reading was the one with the rabbit on the cover where these kids turn someone into a rabbit (?) I love watching hour long videos of people going on and on about things like this.
you posted this video on my birthday so happy birthday to me!!🥳i really enjoyed this video, and agree that even though a lot of these are my favorite books, i do agree that An Old Story is very questionable and controversial! you brought up a lot of good points as to why most people believe these books are controversial. the drowning scene in Curse of Camp Cold Lake always terrified me as a kid!
Happy belated birthday Reagan !!!! I do find it ironic how books can be controversial like how I mentioned in the video and still manages to be peoples favorites!!! The power of Goosebumps is so strong!
You really put 110% effort into your videos, thank you! I agree with those who view The Camp Cold Lake drowning as controversial because it is such a touchy subject, especially if you have someone in your life who you care about who has those thoughts, or if they have actually gone through with it, just like you said.
Thanks for the kind words. Yeah Cold Lake is one that gets people up in a frenzy. I totally understand why (and I’m on your side with this but I’ll leave it at that) !!
It's funny, I turned 30 this year and the goosebumps books turn 30 this year....my mom never let me read them...she hates anything horror or horror adjacent. I saw more then a few episodes of the original TV series....the one I remember the most is the one about the tower of London and the two siblings that where apparently royalty ment to die again and again if they entered the tower.....I loved the first goosebumps moive with Jack Black and it made me interested in the books again. So I plan on trying to read a few in my spare time XD thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into this video? Keep up the good work!
I lvoe goosebumps so much!! The series was my childhood and I remember fondly the days of elementary watching the show and reading the books, thank you!! Edit: really, thank you ❤
Reading "Creature Teacher" and "Creature Teacher: The Final Exam" as an adult, i have a suspicion that Ms. MARGHH is secretly an allegory for a child predator in a school setting, since MARGHH only eats one kid a year, and child predators usually select one child to manipulate or victimize in a school year. Just reading the scenes from each book where in one MARGHH licks the boy main character or is about to eat one boy who only has shorts on and no shirt on a silver platter in the other makes me uncomfortable for completely different reasons now.
Great video! I wonder if R.L. Stine himself would agree with these controversies… also, I feel like if you tried hard enough, you could find something controversial in just about every book.
I agree, Goosebumps is known to have controversy associated with it. And most fans understand that, but the ones I see really the only negativety towards it’s controversial reputation seem to revolve around these books I mentioned the most, maybe throw in Girl Who Cried Monster for mortmangate and the angle of Calling All Creeps that implies what it implies.
If you want bang for your buck? There’s collected editions with 3 books a piece inside one book. If you want like box sets, there’s a classic reprint boxset with some variety included. If you got an Ollie’s bargain outlet near you, they have 10 book box sets for relatively cheap. They are UK editions for some reason but might be worth checking out!
The stuff in Jack O Lanterns has been fixed in the reprint, they just changed wording and things like, you can see on the wiki. For most of these, I get the controversy, especially the likes of Revenge R Us. A few I'm not sure sure on. My Hairiest Adventure is kinda dull but I've only a few people be weirded out by the puberty thing but I don't get it. He grows hair and there's a couple sus lines but otherwise it's pretty clean and doesn't get too iffy to me. I guess just having the idea the gets people weird for some reason. An Old Story is one I'm mixed on for the subject matter, I'll figure it out someday lol.
Good to know about Jack O Lanterns! The My Hairiest Adventure controversy is kind of rooted in people not liking the story from puberty metaphor itself. I’m kinda in that camp too. But An Old Story, search your feelings. You know it to be true 🤣
Agreed on Calling All Creeps being controversial. I feel like people are very split on Ricky’s final decision, as a lot of people can sympathize with wanting to have revenge on their bullies, but there’s also a sort of school shooter connotation that comes with bully revenge stories now that we’re living in a post-Columbine world.
@@makala3468 you know I say that the book feels like a commentary on the birth of a school shooter a lot in my head… to hear someone else make that connection is awesome too!
Ye the slappy one is mostly weird definitely shouldn’t in a kids book at the very least but I think it was probably meant to be more harmless than it can actually end up appearing depending on how you think about it
I agree it is allowed to be about it, but it doesn’t mean people have to like it or tolerate it lol. It’s not people saying it’s the puberty angle that makes it bad or never should’ve been made. It’s the way the story feels to them that makes it feel unnecessary in its delivery. It’s all taste subjection, if people think it’s an awkward story about puberty and isn’t something they don’t want to experience, I think that’s fine. But what I observe in the issues a lot is people for something, like puberty like you believe is cool. Then people who don’t think it’s cool. That’s why it’s controversial. One sides upset that people are offended/upset/unenthused about a certain thing and the other side is upset by people coming at them for being upset. Hence, the examples shown, all 8 I shared, often share that exact scenario. It’s the “taking offense/taking defense” approach that causes people to argue over these a lot.
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 yea I was not meaning to try and argue against including certain stories in the list I was just aggressively giving my own opinion on if each one should be controversial to people in general or not// If I was going off of if they should of been in the video or not I think you picked all the right books available
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 One more thing, I think maybe you got a feeling I was feeling negatively towards you or the video and nah Loved the video and was able to realize it wasn't your own opinions and even if it was It wouldn't stop me from enjoying the video thanks for all the entertainment
I think it’s not so much the actuality of the character, it’s the vibe to it. It feels a bit intimate for some, which I totally understand. The hand fetish thing is indeed weird, and has its rich subtext to it. I’m a big fan of the book, it’s one of my favorites of all time. Just speaking the grievances people have about it, that’s all.
Animals are not on the same plane of value and importance as our own species(which is arguable but that’s my stance) therefore if we make stories about human violence we can do animal violence too
Like I said, as a Goosebumps fan, and proud of it, stuff like animal violence is very common. While I’m not up in arms about it, besides maybe one or two books that did it awkwardly, it’s one of those things you expect to see. Same thing with gross out gags, bully characters, horrible parents, etc. but I brought them up, because as a fan, I constantly hear that stuff from critics of the series. I just want to stress this to you specifically, because it seems your emotionally charged with these comments. I made this video as pure discussion, just bringing up the books I see people arguing about over controversial things the most. I don’t mind you voicing your opinions, but this video doesn’t reflect my opinions, just the opinions of others I’ve taken note of. Take care.
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 Promise I wasn't emotionally charged that's the way I talk about these certain things on a 24/7 basis I don't like to lose any assertiveness and I was honestly bored at work and just known for giving my opinion on anything possible kind of like a Karen except I don't actually care at the end of the day and I am able to accept different opinions I just don't sugarcoat or play timid at all
The fact that girls are being targeted in the old story adds no extra controversy to it changing sex should have no affect on it at all and honestly this one is just another one that makes you feel weird but isn’t actually worse than any other goosebumps story in any meaningful way in my opinion it simply comes close because it makes you think of pedophilia however it is not pedophilia at all really they are literally turning them old because they would be more attracted to them it’s like opposite pedophilia hard one to explain but in one sentence it makes me feel weird but I don’t think it should be controversial
I don’t think it’s the pedophilia aspect that doesn’t work persay, it’s the child trafficking element from Aunt Dahlia trying to sell the kids to her old friends that’s the kicker for most. It’s actually a really effective story to me, even despite that element, it does offer realistic fears of children growing up too fast and reflects the stigma we all have as pre-teens towards “old people”. It’s one I can understand though, it’s one where you have to firmly plant your tongue into your cheek to not be to affected by it.
I personally think the worst offenders were the stereotypical descriptions of the black character, which def would've been weird and harmful to any young black kids reading the book. And also any of the stories involving kids being in romantically or sexually implied situations with adult characters. I can understand why people are wary with the books that had fat-shaming in them. Honestly, it was pretty popular in the 90's for media to go for the low-hanging fruit of making fun of a fat person for "laughs". Anyways, this was an interesting video to listen to while I drew some art. Thank you for the long-form video!
The curse of camp cold lake is fucked up and would warrant “a no one likes you” in real life but it’s a book suicide isn’t taboo in books only reason it’s understandable at all is because it’s goosebumps a kids book
Yeah you got to remember, it is a franchise intended for kids. If this was an adult book, I don’t think anyone would bat an eye to it. But why it’s controversial is that people just feel her character sets a bad example for kids reading the book and the behavior is unusual and manipulative, like I said in the video. Not saying the behavior doesn’t have any merit to it, just people don’t like it.
I really don't get the controversy about the overweight thing. Sounds like people being overly sensitive. And as for the stereotype thing, honestly, I didn't see it. Never stood out that way, or bothered me.
Well that's you, but you can't tell people to not be offended or sensitive about something like that. I mean, the book is really bad because it portrays the characters not using sound judgment ONCE AGAIN after the last time the camera literally made one of them vanish. But it's the way it's described in the chapter that it's okay to ridicule someone JUST for their weight. Whether Stine at some point of his life went through that, or he's just an a-hole that might do the same thing as other ignorant people do, I don't know. But once again, that's fine if you don't see it that way but not everyone is like you. Nor does it make it wrong for others to not feel the way you don't. Just remember that.
I don't get the controversy either David Martinez. It's funny how the things that are being discussed weren't controversial at the time the books were released and now they are. Isn't that really a reflection of how "sensitive" today's generation is to everything? When I grew up reading these books, things like the overweight thing didn't faze me. Heck, it never stood out to me and I was a bit overweight as a kid. Even the Harry Potter books, which feature an overweight character, are now being criticized for the way that character was described, which wasn't even a problem when the books were first published. It's funny to me how readers criticize a book for not being too "realistic" and when a book is "realistic" on certain topics, it becomes offensive. So damn if you do, and damn if you don't on the part of the writer. And for writers, who have a lot on their plate as it is to writing a book and the array of feelings, ups, and downs that come with it, for them to worry about whether they're going to offend this "faceless" person and that "faceless" person is overwhelming. A writer CAN'T please everyone! Their job is to write a story, for the readers, yes, but a story that portrays some kind of truth. Fiction is a lie, but it does have truth and portrays real-world things. Goosebumps is a lie, it's imaginary but does portray real-world elements. Suffice it to say, overweight people do get picked at, there are bullies, and people sometimes do fall into stereotypes---and it would be false, even in a kids book, to act like these things don't happen.
@@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate when it comes to the overweight thing, I'd be more hurt and offended if someone made fun of me in my face about it rather than seeing it portrayed in a book between characters. And those who do offend others in real life because of their weight, I highly doubt that bully adopted that attitude from a Goosebumps book!
@@brianseay8242 you don't get it either. It's not if people outright say it to your face, which is bad enough itself. But the book is giving a bad message about how it's okay to make fun of people who may be obese, but fail to understand if it's actually from food or another condition that's beyond that person's control. THAT'S what I mean. But in any event, like I told the other guy, not everyone sees things your way, or even have to see things your way, and you have to just respect that. And while you're complaining about getting something like that from a book, I can go one step better than some stupid book. A TV show, for example. And if they outright promoted that via that way, that show WILL have some problems.
@@brianseay8242 Just because it wasn't controversial at the time doesn't mean it wasn't bad. Some of things were even frowned upon at the time in among those groups but were still just kind of accepted, you see this with plenty of old offesnive things. In this case one reason is we didn't see the impact things like that would have on kids as they grow up. I'd hardly call a camera making some supernaturally fat "Realistic". Stine has stated he tried to keep "Real" issues out of the series to keep it mostly safe, so if you're gonna break that, you gotta have a good reason and do it with tact.
Interesting video, but you spend so much time insisting that you aren't picking a side and don't want to weigh in, I really wish you actually had. It's your video dude! have an opinion!
I do in my reviews, for some you can watch now and some I have planned for future reviews :) this video was just about addressing the controversy and meeting the controversy have the floor
Longform videos about Niche subjects that I vaguely have nostalgia for is my favorite type of content
I still have memories of my grandmother reading Werewolf of Fever Swamp. Bless her, she didn't like horror but she still went with it.
I was so oblivious about the puberty subtext of Hariest Adventure I was like "Obviously he's a werewolf!"
Adults forget that they see these stories through a different lens than kids. Kids aren’t seeing real world issues or controversy, they are seeing the scary elements, that in turn make them aware of real world dangers, in a way that they can understand.
Man I used to own ALL of the goosebumps books when I was little and up to a young teenager, then passed them along to my niece. I miss them. I want to try to collect them again for nostalgia sake
Sarah is probably the closest I’ve ever related to a Goosebumps protagonist because all my I’ve struggled to make friends.
This is my favorite kind of channel, someone spilling about something they love!
Interesting.. Just to see that Goosebumps were challenged back in the days compare to the newer ones. Didnt remember Attack of the Jack-o'-Lanterns having like race stereotypes, I probably didnt mind it since I just read it recently, but the rest. it's weird. lol. makes them worth reading I guess.
I think theyre all worth checking out just to see how they register in your own personal basis. Yeah majority of the books I mentioned get a little weird… for sure. I tried to find a modern one to be as controversial but I haven’t lol
Damn, dude. When i first found your channel you had 300 subs. Now you’re close to a thousand. Congrats! 🎉
This video is epic and deserves way more views!!!! It’s reminding me so much of my childhood while making me think critically
I do understand that Sarah is a polarizing character but to me I feel she’s a little bit misunderstood bc she has the characteristics of dealing with Autism. I just read the book for Autism Awareness Month and she really feels like a autistic character with the struggling to make friends with her bunk mates and not being a outdoors type but she at least tries to do things that aren’t for her. I do say her couple of pranks does change that feeling a little bit but overall I felt for her through most of the book. So I do understand the moments that are considered controversial can take you away from the book but I still really enjoyed the book.
Piano is murder villain is kira from jojo diamond is unbreakable
Glad UA-cam started recommending smaller channels, this is a nice video.
Damn...I read them as a kid over and over again.
I watched the show, the movies.
Slappy still scares me.
Later on it was fear street I read.
Maybe I didn't catch the controversies due to being young or reading the German books and some stuff got lost in translation.
Saw this in my recommended today. Channel is called "Goosebumps Completionist" with only 760 subscribers??? Subbed 😀
The Goosebumps Short Stories that would be great episode adaptations are A Holly Jolly Holiday P S Don't Write Back A Werewolf's First Night Marshmallow Surprise Broken Dolls For The Birds and Spirit of The Harvest Moon.
I personally was never rlly into the Goosebumps series, I think it was because I didn’t find them all that scary. But hearing you and other people talk about it fascinates me!
The only one I can vividly remember reading was the one with the rabbit on the cover where these kids turn someone into a rabbit (?)
I love watching hour long videos of people going on and on about things like this.
That one is bad hare day lol it seems like a good one!!!!!
you posted this video on my birthday so happy birthday to me!!🥳i really enjoyed this video, and agree that even though a lot of these are my favorite books, i do agree that An Old Story is very questionable and controversial! you brought up a lot of good points as to why most people believe these books are controversial. the drowning scene in Curse of Camp Cold Lake always terrified me as a kid!
Happy belated birthday Reagan !!!! I do find it ironic how books can be controversial like how I mentioned in the video and still manages to be peoples favorites!!! The power of Goosebumps is so strong!
You really put 110% effort into your videos, thank you! I agree with those who view The Camp Cold Lake drowning as controversial because it is such a touchy subject, especially if you have someone in your life who you care about who has those thoughts, or if they have actually gone through with it, just like you said.
Thanks for the kind words. Yeah Cold Lake is one that gets people up in a frenzy. I totally understand why (and I’m on your side with this but I’ll leave it at that) !!
Interesting video! Glad I found your channel
I’m so glad I found this video
I'm glad this popped up in my recommendations
This is a very good video I’m a new subscriber
When I was watching this I was WAITING for say cheese and die again to pop up, that is the weirdest one
It's funny, I turned 30 this year and the goosebumps books turn 30 this year....my mom never let me read them...she hates anything horror or horror adjacent. I saw more then a few episodes of the original TV series....the one I remember the most is the one about the tower of London and the two siblings that where apparently royalty ment to die again and again if they entered the tower.....I loved the first goosebumps moive with Jack Black and it made me interested in the books again. So I plan on trying to read a few in my spare time XD thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into this video? Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the kind words my friend 🥰
i used to love goosebumps, a night in terror tower was the spookiest for me
I liked jack o lanterns
I lvoe goosebumps so much!! The series was my childhood and I remember fondly the days of elementary watching the show and reading the books, thank you!!
Edit: really, thank you ❤
Omg I need your shirt!! So nostalgic
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piano lessons can be murder's plot controversy is literally yoshikage kira in Diamond is Unbreakable
Reading "Creature Teacher" and "Creature Teacher: The Final Exam" as an adult, i have a suspicion that Ms. MARGHH is secretly an allegory for a child predator in a school setting, since MARGHH only eats one kid a year, and child predators usually select one child to manipulate or victimize in a school year.
Just reading the scenes from each book where in one MARGHH licks the boy main character or is about to eat one boy who only has shorts on and no shirt on a silver platter in the other makes me uncomfortable for completely different reasons now.
Obviously I had to sub straight away
Great video! I wonder if R.L. Stine himself would agree with these controversies… also, I feel like if you tried hard enough, you could find something controversial in just about every book.
I agree, Goosebumps is known to have controversy associated with it. And most fans understand that, but the ones I see really the only negativety towards it’s controversial reputation seem to revolve around these books I mentioned the most, maybe throw in Girl Who Cried Monster for mortmangate and the angle of Calling All Creeps that implies what it implies.
Ayyy I’m your 777th subscriber, great video man, keep it up 🤠👍 🎃
It’s getting close to Halloween and now I’m looking up book sets on Amazon lol any recommendations?
If you want bang for your buck? There’s collected editions with 3 books a piece inside one book. If you want like box sets, there’s a classic reprint boxset with some variety included. If you got an Ollie’s bargain outlet near you, they have 10 book box sets for relatively cheap. They are UK editions for some reason but might be worth checking out!
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 Hey thanks so much. I’ll do some looking around 😊
The stuff in Jack O Lanterns has been fixed in the reprint, they just changed wording and things like, you can see on the wiki. For most of these, I get the controversy, especially the likes of Revenge R Us.
A few I'm not sure sure on. My Hairiest Adventure is kinda dull but I've only a few people be weirded out by the puberty thing but I don't get it. He grows hair and there's a couple sus lines but otherwise it's pretty clean and doesn't get too iffy to me. I guess just having the idea the gets people weird for some reason.
An Old Story is one I'm mixed on for the subject matter, I'll figure it out someday lol.
Good to know about Jack O Lanterns! The My Hairiest Adventure controversy is kind of rooted in people not liking the story from puberty metaphor itself. I’m kinda in that camp too. But An Old Story, search your feelings. You know it to be true 🤣
I fell like don’t make me laugh would be a good add for this list
May I ask why??? I haven’t read it so I’m curious lol
Nah the villain in piano lessons can be murder is just yoshiksge Kira
oh this is a cool video idea!
Thanks I really appreciate it 🔥
Great video man i think that calling all creeps sort of is controversial
Implying the ending correct??
Agreed on Calling All Creeps being controversial. I feel like people are very split on Ricky’s final decision, as a lot of people can sympathize with wanting to have revenge on their bullies, but there’s also a sort of school shooter connotation that comes with bully revenge stories now that we’re living in a post-Columbine world.
@@makala3468 you know I say that the book feels like a commentary on the birth of a school shooter a lot in my head… to hear someone else make that connection is awesome too!
That was my other account and yes that's what I mean
Ye the slappy one is mostly weird definitely shouldn’t in a kids book at the very least but I think it was probably meant to be more harmless than it can actually end up appearing depending on how you think about it
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I’m so glad this came across my recommended oh my goodness
I loved be carful what you wish for and revenge r us
Love how YT has been recommending smaller channels recently. And perfect timing for the spooky season!
My hairiest adventure is allowed to be about puberty get over it
I agree it is allowed to be about it, but it doesn’t mean people have to like it or tolerate it lol. It’s not people saying it’s the puberty angle that makes it bad or never should’ve been made. It’s the way the story feels to them that makes it feel unnecessary in its delivery. It’s all taste subjection, if people think it’s an awkward story about puberty and isn’t something they don’t want to experience, I think that’s fine. But what I observe in the issues a lot is people for something, like puberty like you believe is cool. Then people who don’t think it’s cool. That’s why it’s controversial. One sides upset that people are offended/upset/unenthused about a certain thing and the other side is upset by people coming at them for being upset. Hence, the examples shown, all 8 I shared, often share that exact scenario. It’s the “taking offense/taking defense” approach that causes people to argue over these a lot.
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 yea I was not meaning to try and argue against including certain stories in the list I was just aggressively giving my own opinion on if each one should be controversial to people in general or not// If I was going off of if they should of been in the video or not I think you picked all the right books available
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 One more thing, I think maybe you got a feeling I was feeling negatively towards you or the video and nah Loved the video and was able to realize it wasn't your own opinions and even if it was It wouldn't stop me from enjoying the video thanks for all the entertainment
The piano lessons can be murder one would be fully understandable if it was actually perverted and it’s not so dumbest one so far in actuality
I think it’s not so much the actuality of the character, it’s the vibe to it. It feels a bit intimate for some, which I totally understand. The hand fetish thing is indeed weird, and has its rich subtext to it. I’m a big fan of the book, it’s one of my favorites of all time. Just speaking the grievances people have about it, that’s all.
Animals are not on the same plane of value and importance as our own species(which is arguable but that’s my stance) therefore if we make stories about human violence we can do animal violence too
Like I said, as a Goosebumps fan, and proud of it, stuff like animal violence is very common. While I’m not up in arms about it, besides maybe one or two books that did it awkwardly, it’s one of those things you expect to see. Same thing with gross out gags, bully characters, horrible parents, etc. but I brought them up, because as a fan, I constantly hear that stuff from critics of the series. I just want to stress this to you specifically, because it seems your emotionally charged with these comments. I made this video as pure discussion, just bringing up the books I see people arguing about over controversial things the most. I don’t mind you voicing your opinions, but this video doesn’t reflect my opinions, just the opinions of others I’ve taken note of. Take care.
@@goosebumpscompletionist7709 Promise I wasn't emotionally charged that's the way I talk about these certain things on a 24/7 basis I don't like to lose any assertiveness and I was honestly bored at work and just known for giving my opinion on anything possible kind of like a Karen except I don't actually care at the end of the day and I am able to accept different opinions I just don't sugarcoat or play timid at all
The fact that girls are being targeted in the old story adds no extra controversy to it changing sex should have no affect on it at all and honestly this one is just another one that makes you feel weird but isn’t actually worse than any other goosebumps story in any meaningful way in my opinion it simply comes close because it makes you think of pedophilia however it is not pedophilia at all really they are literally turning them old because they would be more attracted to them it’s like opposite pedophilia hard one to explain but in one sentence it makes me feel weird but I don’t think it should be controversial
I don’t think it’s the pedophilia aspect that doesn’t work persay, it’s the child trafficking element from Aunt Dahlia trying to sell the kids to her old friends that’s the kicker for most. It’s actually a really effective story to me, even despite that element, it does offer realistic fears of children growing up too fast and reflects the stigma we all have as pre-teens towards “old people”. It’s one I can understand though, it’s one where you have to firmly plant your tongue into your cheek to not be to affected by it.
I personally think the worst offenders were the stereotypical descriptions of the black character, which def would've been weird and harmful to any young black kids reading the book. And also any of the stories involving kids being in romantically or sexually implied situations with adult characters. I can understand why people are wary with the books that had fat-shaming in them. Honestly, it was pretty popular in the 90's for media to go for the low-hanging fruit of making fun of a fat person for "laughs". Anyways, this was an interesting video to listen to while I drew some art. Thank you for the long-form video!
I do get a kick out of revenge r us but the underwear thing needed to simply not be in the book for sure
I LOVE REVENGE R US 😭😭😭
The curse of camp cold lake is fucked up and would warrant “a no one likes you” in real life but it’s a book suicide isn’t taboo in books only reason it’s understandable at all is because it’s goosebumps a kids book
Yeah you got to remember, it is a franchise intended for kids. If this was an adult book, I don’t think anyone would bat an eye to it. But why it’s controversial is that people just feel her character sets a bad example for kids reading the book and the behavior is unusual and manipulative, like I said in the video. Not saying the behavior doesn’t have any merit to it, just people don’t like it.
I really don't get the controversy about the overweight thing. Sounds like people being overly sensitive. And as for the stereotype thing, honestly, I didn't see it. Never stood out that way, or bothered me.
Well that's you, but you can't tell people to not be offended or sensitive about something like that. I mean, the book is really bad because it portrays the characters not using sound judgment ONCE AGAIN after the last time the camera literally made one of them vanish. But it's the way it's described in the chapter that it's okay to ridicule someone JUST for their weight. Whether Stine at some point of his life went through that, or he's just an a-hole that might do the same thing as other ignorant people do, I don't know. But once again, that's fine if you don't see it that way but not everyone is like you. Nor does it make it wrong for others to not feel the way you don't. Just remember that.
I don't get the controversy either David Martinez. It's funny how the things that are being discussed weren't controversial at the time the books were released and now they are. Isn't that really a reflection of how "sensitive" today's generation is to everything? When I grew up reading these books, things like the overweight thing didn't faze me. Heck, it never stood out to me and I was a bit overweight as a kid. Even the Harry Potter books, which feature an overweight character, are now being criticized for the way that character was described, which wasn't even a problem when the books were first published. It's funny to me how readers criticize a book for not being too "realistic" and when a book is "realistic" on certain topics, it becomes offensive. So damn if you do, and damn if you don't on the part of the writer. And for writers, who have a lot on their plate as it is to writing a book and the array of feelings, ups, and downs that come with it, for them to worry about whether they're going to offend this "faceless" person and that "faceless" person is overwhelming. A writer CAN'T please everyone! Their job is to write a story, for the readers, yes, but a story that portrays some kind of truth. Fiction is a lie, but it does have truth and portrays real-world things. Goosebumps is a lie, it's imaginary but does portray real-world elements. Suffice it to say, overweight people do get picked at, there are bullies, and people sometimes do fall into stereotypes---and it would be false, even in a kids book, to act like these things don't happen.
@@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate when it comes to the overweight thing, I'd be more hurt and offended if someone made fun of me in my face about it rather than seeing it portrayed in a book between characters. And those who do offend others in real life because of their weight, I highly doubt that bully adopted that attitude from a Goosebumps book!
@@brianseay8242 you don't get it either. It's not if people outright say it to your face, which is bad enough itself. But the book is giving a bad message about how it's okay to make fun of people who may be obese, but fail to understand if it's actually from food or another condition that's beyond that person's control. THAT'S what I mean. But in any event, like I told the other guy, not everyone sees things your way, or even have to see things your way, and you have to just respect that. And while you're complaining about getting something like that from a book, I can go one step better than some stupid book. A TV show, for example. And if they outright promoted that via that way, that show WILL have some problems.
@@brianseay8242 Just because it wasn't controversial at the time doesn't mean it wasn't bad. Some of things were even frowned upon at the time in among those groups but were still just kind of accepted, you see this with plenty of old offesnive things. In this case one reason is we didn't see the impact things like that would have on kids as they grow up.
I'd hardly call a camera making some supernaturally fat "Realistic". Stine has stated he tried to keep "Real" issues out of the series to keep it mostly safe, so if you're gonna break that, you gotta have a good reason and do it with tact.
Dude my apologies I accidentally hit the Dislike button, this is a great video.
Interesting video, but you spend so much time insisting that you aren't picking a side and don't want to weigh in, I really wish you actually had. It's your video dude! have an opinion!
I do in my reviews, for some you can watch now and some I have planned for future reviews :) this video was just about addressing the controversy and meeting the controversy have the floor
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