I like that we don’t even get to see their happy moments. The birth of their son, first steps, first words, none of that. Just the exact moment to show how quietly miserable their lives are.
Not enough comments here are talking about that absolutely terrifying slow pan over in Sally’s apartment to that dark room where you can just _barely_ see Barry standing in the darkness
A mí me dió un escalofrío , ya sabía que iba a aparecer Barry pero contemplar la oscuridad fue una experiencia grande para luego recordar las heridas que posee su rostro como un loco perdido
I actually saw that and I was so freaked out. And the fact that he just shuffles out of the darkness like some ghost or monster also sent chills down my spine.
Scary for the audience, but not Sally. And Barry's "really?" response to her "let's go" let the air out of the Barry monster. I laughed, but not hard as I did at the beat downs at Dave & Buster's.
1:34 I died of laughter when he said “really” and hard cut to a timeskip. This one of the best shows ever. So overly dramatic that it makes it comedic.
He even put on a deep voice to make what he's about to say more convincing. Then got surprised he didn't even need to say everything he rehearsed to pursuade Sally 😂
Sally: “If I have to hear, one more time, that you did this for the family,…” Barry: “I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really, I was alive.”
It brilliantly establishes that the kid is on track to be just as screwed up and problematic as Barry because well, both Barry and Sally seem to be terrible parents and seem to have the kid out of obligation, not of love (that last shot clearly shows how loveless that marriage has gotten). Barry got everything he envisioned and yet, it's a miserable life to live.
Have you all never seen eight year old boys play? It’s quite normal to fight over stupid things one day and be buds the next. “Playground rules” keep the fights from being more than minor scuffles.
The show jumped 8 years, their kid is named after Barry’s dad, he’s never heard of call of duty (probably have no internet to prevent Barry from getting caught), and the house life seems miserable. What a massive change for the show…
I don´t know if i`m overanalyzing here or if anyone else has pointed it out. But the shot of the refrigerator is an absolutely genius metaphore. We have the wine bottles that Sally drinks in one side, beer cans for Barry on the other, and the partially eaten donut for the child probably. Them living in a house that big could be a fantasy, but it is pretty clear that the family itself is struggling with their own personal demons and are living miserably due to the choices Barry and Sally made. Not to mention that the fridge looks almost empty save for those three foods to begin with. And the first thing that John picks up as he opens the fridge is the beer can implying the possible influence of his father when it comes to his emotional issues and shut-in nature.
My takeaway from this is Sally became a wine mom who squandered all her potential and Barry became a repressed father trying to drink away his past. The donut is there to represent the kid and the idyllic innocence that they thought they could escape into, but when the kid took the beer it hinted that he inherited his father's true nature, this is further foreshadowed by his violent tendency upon being teased by the other kid.
It’s a normal school-yard scuffle over boy stuff (though it shows John has been sheltered in some way since he’s ignorant of a common video game). The fridge contents suggest Sally and Barry aren’t the best parents, but the kid just needed ice (something cold) for the bruise on his face.
This is throwing me for a loop. The food in the fridge and the setting make me think it’s another daydream but then again who knows with this show UPDATE: Bill confirmed it's a time skip. Holy balls.
I thought it was a dream to at first but what finally tipped me off was the whole "he's never heard of Call of Duty" when the kids were fighting, at first I thought "hmm that's a weird thing for a kid to not know" But then it made sense if Barry and Sally are in hiding!
To me, this show is going in a similar direction as the last season of ‘Better Call Saul’ in a sense that some important characters are killed off early, there’s a time jump to the future for our central character and it’s at a point where I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen next. This show will most likely not have a happy ending for Barry, or maybe it will, but I trust Bill Hader will give us an ending that will not disappoint.
With 4 episodes left I correctly guessed the general idea of how better call Saul would end, it was predictable but perfectly executed. I have no idea how they are going to end this.
I don’t think so. Fuches’ character arc can be summed up in one phrase “Bad choice road”. He had so many opportunities to live a peaceful life so many times but he always chose ruining Barry’s life over peace and he’s now suffering in jail for it. He made his own bed. He must face the consequences of his own actions.
I think part of what sells this as a time jump and not a daydream: Barry's daydreams of married life with Sally are so idealistic, showing them happy and growing old. It's his idealized image of what it is to be a normal married couple. Well, in a way he got his wish. They are (at least as far as we can tell - I assume we'll see more on Sunday) a normal couple. But their situation, with a son who lashes out, the two of them both drinking, and isolated from their former communities and lives, is clearly far from ideal.
It makes sense for time to jump and the characters are at their low point to make it real. I think it further adds intrigue and a final change for us to experience before what seems to be a explosive finale inbound. And it shows that the kid’s problems stems from his parents and nothing else (being so cut off from the world).
Man I appreciate hader as a director more after these last few episodes. Those long shots and just the beauty of how everything flowed is so damn refreshing. Time jump was fucking crazy. This guy is a genius. He’s directing every episode this last season
I fucking love this. Genius subversion. Most crime shows like to jump ahead to the main character's future when it's their demise (started by Breaking Bad) but never have I seen it show for the opposite direction.
Idk, I don’t want to say it doesn’t make sense because it is ultimately kind of the same thing as in breaking bad where the main characters world has fallen down and there’s a big man hunt for him. I guess I just wasn’t expecting this at all. I’ve noticed that a lot of shows especially crime shows are afraid to end the same way breaking bad did like ozark and from what it looks like Barry as well. they want to be different but I’m kind of left on the fence starting to think this show might not end in a satisfying way. Still got four more episodes so hopefully the show can win me back over.
The fact that she knew where he was hiding shows how well she knew him and that’s amazingly wholesome. That “really?” Is just comedic timing to an otherwise horrific episode, holy shit
Barry was never really violent or aggressive around Sally, except when he was on the literal brink of a mental breakdown from whatever was happening in his killer life. If they were really sequestered away, I feel like the kid just hates his parents, who wouldn't, knowing he's extremely isolated?
I reeeeally hope we see a grown-up Lily come after Barry. It would be so hilarious (and kinda true to her character) if she just pops up out of nowhere and attacks him.
4x5 was so depressing that I had convinced myself for a good 10 minutes that it was an imagination similar to Barry's earlier visions of having a child, except this time showing how limited his prospects are. The fact that it ended up actually being the last near decade of his life was crushing.
What really threw me for a loop was Sally ending up choosing Barry, I know she's got her own issues but I'd still love to find out from her own POV, why she would rather live a life on the run with Barry then stick around in the one she has.
This might even be a dream sequence though. But looking from Sally’s “fucked up” perspective, it kinda makes sense - Her parents never protect her and always side with Sam, who abused her a lot of time. - Barry always looking out for her and is the only one who listens to her and cares about her interests, unlike her other colleague like Natalie who betrayed her or Gene who only looks out for himself. Barry also helped her go further in her career (albeit it came from the moment she slapped him which sent him spiraling and went to kill people in the monastery afterward) - Barry was creepy and abusive to her but compared to everyone else, he only yelled at her just one time (unlike Sam, who hit her for years) and even when he suggested a super non-violent method at making Sally’s boss hanged herself, it was for Sally’s best interest. - Barry took the blames for the murder that Sally committed.
Also Sally tried one last time to make it as an actress but immediately noticed that it's NEVER going to happen the way she'd want it to, she blew her chance to be a star (more than once) and I don't think she liked the hand she was dealt.
I think she's faking it. After a few years together, she will run away with her son from him, pretending she was his hostage. This false story will help her become the star she always wanted to be
The fridge is a dead giveaway that Barry's dream of this life is not what he hoped for Sally doesn't say a single in the word in this scene and the multiple wine bottles indicates that she's depressed that she never became the star she always wanted to be because she destroyed her reputation, her parents never really were on her side, and she ranaway and had a kid with a hitman So yeah, she's probably not the best wife or mom And then there's Barry who's a downright sociopath and probably doesn't feel guilt towards most the people he's killed or hurt except for maybe Fuches or Gene and definitely Chris and with all the bad decisions he made in L.A. he probably has a guilty conscience about all that's happened and what he did Add that he's still socially awkward and doesn't understand people well and he's probably not the best dad So yeah, Barry and Sally are definitely failing their son and are miserable Barry has everything he ever wanted but he's still living in a hellhole
So much is conveyed visually, my filmmaking brain was tingling throughout the scene. It's exactly what you saw and what can be explored from that, has me excited for the second half this month.
The donut harkens back to when Sally got him a video game and set the table with beer and a donut to placate him after his outburst in season three. I'm guessing that's something that happens a lot. This is some bleak stuff.
I personally thought at the time jump was brilliant because of its uncliché nature. The only thing I could think about throughout the whole season was that berry was going to have to be neutralized, and everything‘s gonna fall apart one side or the other and all those things are pretty cliché - the big antihero usually passes away because of all these misdeeds. so this was definitely a very interesting take. I’m curious to see how it progresses.
It’s really incredible that they are bringing the daydreams full circle with Barry and Sally actually having a kid. The Barry episodes of “the prestige tv podcast” have been really interesting to hear all of the insights.
They don't actually have a kid. You're misunderstanding what Bill said. This is still one of Barry's visions. This is what Barry imagines he could have in 8 years.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 no it’s an 8 year jump and they have a kid. Also all of the daydreams have been positive even the one of him giving the pep talk to “denzel.” I highly doubt barry would imagine his son being called a freak and using a beer to ice his face.
I dont think this show would drop a bombshell like this only to reveal it as a daydream in the next episode. That would be tacky as hell for an otherwise sharply written show. We definitely have an 8 year jump here. Maybe we get some flashbacks though. We're only at the halfway point
This ain't a real time skip. It's showing what Barry now believes they're gonna have in the future. Why else would they be in the same desert that Barry always imagines in a house that wouldn't make sense in that location in real life? It's very clearly a mix of his memories of his brothers growing up and his hope for a future with Sally.
I assumed it was another of his fantasies/delusions, if this is meant to be real I no longer have _any_ idea how things are gunna go but I'm super excited still
I’m surprised no one is mentioning Jim Moss being outside the apartment before the time jump. I keep thinking something has to come of that right? It would be next level insane if Sally kills Moss so they can flee lol. The dude is so smart but I don’t think he would see her helping Barry coming.
This episode ditched the comedy and just gave us flat out tragedy after tragedy. What’s really sad is that Gene killed his son because he mistook him for Barry, who never even tried looking for him because his only goal was seeing Sally again.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 Idk he seemed pretty clear that the time jump was real as he mentioned we'll see an older hank at some point. I don't think Barry and Sally are out of the woods yet.
2.34 same type of sprinkled donut barry was eating at the start of season 3 ep1?.....part of the algorythum that made it easier for natalie to pitch her show "just deserts" and get out from under sally? ....bit of a random observation but still and all seems kind of symbolic...
While the life Sally and Barry have built here doesn’t seem to be very happy or fulfilling, the eight year time skip adds a mountain of significance to the inevitable moment when fate comes knocking at their door. They have a son. They have a marriage. They have a family. They’ve evaded capture for 8 years. In a lot of ways they’ve gotten away with it, but in a moral universe they’ve just lengthened the noose that’s going to hang them eventually. The entire series, Barry’s core function has been burying corpses underneath him to keep himself above quicksand. He’s fully aware that he’s going to hell, and every new murder just grants him a brief extension until the ground finally swallows him up. Thing is? The more you stretch your soul, brandishing sin against fate and death, the harder it snaps back when your fingers finally slip. Barry never should have had a child. He’s a broken and violent man, and running from truth and responsibility is a part of who he is. Becoming an actor wasn’t a path to redemption, it was just a poetically appropriate method of pretending to be someone else. Every interaction he has with a normal person, he has to pretend to be someone else, the truth is just too terrible and he knows it. The world already discovered what he was, and he cheated fate and stole a shred of happiness that wasn’t his with a woman just broken enough to love him. Now he has something that the Barry from the pilot didn’t. Now he has something HE loves, something to truly lose, and the world’s going to take that thing away from him in the cruellest way possible. Not by killing his son, but by (I predict) showing him who his father truly is and making him hate him. With all the pain and suffering he’s caused, the families he’s destroyed and the lies he’s told, simple death wouldn’t be enough for Barry to pay his debts. He’s got to know the pain of a man who loses his family.
Sarah Goldberg said Sally's hair is wrapped for a reason. Bill Hader said in an interview the 4th season ties either into the first episode or first season to make Barry a complete story. Remember from the first episode Sally reads the scene from Magnolia where she the wife has it out with the pharmacist who fills her husband's RXs who is dying of cancer. The wife says, "I have death all around me." My guess is that Sally has cancer or that Sally will attempt to kill herself like the wife did after getting her husband's RXs. I don't see Barry having a happy ending, which would move the series from the comedy to the drama category. Maybe Barry will kill himself like the Chechen assassin in season 1. Barry has to face accountablity this season.
It turned out to be much simpler, she is basically "acting" and hating doing what she's good at doing. Lying to herself and everyone around her. I think the best way to kind of prepare yourself is, think of the films he is inspired by, Unforgiven and No Country For Old Men. That's where the show is heading for its finale.
@Benjamin B I heard Bill mention it, I think in the Ringer podcast last week. Comparisons were made. If you've seen the movie you can see how this ends up there. It would be an epic ending.
@@benjaminb6678 he's mentioned many times over the years how this show was influenced by it and the original pitch was what if the dude from Unforgiven found joy in an acting class
I'm very mixed on this approach, on one hand it's a nice change up from the drab prison setting but on the other its jarring and frustrating we wont see what happened in between now and then.
@@RandoSchmando My guess is we will see how we got there in the next episode or in the series finale. Although... At this point... Who knows with this show. Lol.
Dont know if anyone else has picked up on this but the sound design on the credit roll is great. Im pretty sure - coreeft me if im wrong - that what you hear is Sally at the table opening what sounds like a bottle of pills. Coupled with the bottles of wine and beer, yeah....they're coping hard
This ain’t real, it’s a dream. I honestly have no clue where the series is gonna end now. I just hope Hank dies after what he did. Edit: so it’s confirmed real...I again have even less of an idea where this shit is going
The time jump still feels weird. Like idk i wish there wasnt one and they could have one episode in between to show what happened i guess. But there still time so maybe they will idk. I still enjoy it and love the show
I seriously expected a better ending for sally, although we still don't know what happened to her, I hope at least she has continued her acting career since episode 1 everything goes wrong
You know that time jump is a good thing in my opinion seeing Barry and Sally together with their son😳but hey I’m betting hank is embracing the crime lord style😈.
@@everettenjeze6276 yea I listened as well just so weird because the background is the same in all his day dreaming. The kid I think looks the same as his younger self when he’s day dreaming in the second episode
Na no way it’s a time jump, it has to be a daydream. He was imagining the same stuff in prison with him as a kid and his father with his “uncle”. It was the same background he’s just slipping further and further
I think it's a fantasy because judging by Budweiser's current predicament, it's likely they'll go bankrupt and not exist in the future 😂 But seriously, this looks like a fantasy Barry is having inside a mental institute due to all the PTSD and rage attacks catching up to him. He doesn't deserve a happy ending and I don't think the show writers will give him that.
Practicamente este fue el final de la serie porque el arco de hank ya esta cerrado se convirtio en el lider de todo L.A y fuches es el rey de la prision,sally se termino yendo con barry solo falta que se cierre el arco de moss que nunca va a dejar de perseguir a barry y gene con eso con su hijo
Según lo que leí todos malinterpretaron lo que dijo Bill, y espero no sea real, sally merece hacer su carrera, los escritores la odian, no me sorprendería que acabe mal
This has been confirmed to be an 8 year time jump by Bill on The Prestige TV Podcast
Thus is wrinkling my brain!
Bullshit
That's barrys parent's
pass the link of the episode of the podcast please
WHAT
I like that we don’t even get to see their happy moments. The birth of their son, first steps, first words, none of that. Just the exact moment to show how quietly miserable their lives are.
Sure those were probably “distractions” to help time fly by. But then reality sets in.
Not enough comments here are talking about that absolutely terrifying slow pan over in Sally’s apartment to that dark room where you can just _barely_ see Barry standing in the darkness
A mí me dió un escalofrío , ya sabía que iba a aparecer Barry pero contemplar la oscuridad fue una experiencia grande para luego recordar las heridas que posee su rostro como un loco perdido
yeah that scared the shit out of me watching it
I actually saw that and I was so freaked out. And the fact that he just shuffles out of the darkness like some ghost or monster also sent chills down my spine.
Oh so I didn't imagine it
Scary for the audience, but not Sally. And Barry's "really?" response to her "let's go" let the air out of the Barry monster. I laughed, but not hard as I did at the beat downs at Dave & Buster's.
1:34 I died of laughter when he said “really” and hard cut to a timeskip. This one of the best shows ever. So overly dramatic that it makes it comedic.
He even put on a deep voice to make what he's about to say more convincing. Then got surprised he didn't even need to say everything he rehearsed to pursuade Sally 😂
It reminds me of the “WHAT” moment when the detective asked him to murder his exs bf
@@Benjy1 same
Sally: “If I have to hear, one more time, that you did this for the family,…”
Barry: “I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really, I was alive.”
I thought i was the only one who thought of breaking bad when I saw this time jump
Barry might have been good at his work, but it certainly never made him feel alive. He was on the verge of suicide in the first episode.
barry is quite the opposite of walter though
The moment he became Heisenbarry
Yeah Walt used crime to escape normal life while tried to use a normal life to escape crime
"He never heard of Call of Duty". Daydream or not, cool detail that Barry would protect his kid from violent games… yet he's still a violent child.
Maybe he’s never heard of call of duty bc they live so far off the grid?
It brilliantly establishes that the kid is on track to be just as screwed up and problematic as Barry because well, both Barry and Sally seem to be terrible parents and seem to have the kid out of obligation, not of love (that last shot clearly shows how loveless that marriage has gotten). Barry got everything he envisioned and yet, it's a miserable life to live.
@@trunklemcjeans yup. Exactly.
@@trunklemcjeans maybe... But the other kid seems to live near him.
Also, I know I said he's a violent kid but kids are like that sometimes.
Have you all never seen eight year old boys play? It’s quite normal to fight over stupid things one day and be buds the next. “Playground rules” keep the fights from being more than minor scuffles.
The show jumped 8 years, their kid is named after Barry’s dad, he’s never heard of call of duty (probably have no internet to prevent Barry from getting caught), and the house life seems miserable. What a massive change for the show…
Man that's insane, it looked like one of Barry's visions so I thought it wasn't an actual time jump
I thought the call of duty thing mightve been because of barry's bad experience with war.
@@RabidXCpanda I agree. I could also see it as Barry trying to keep violent media away from his son to try to break the cycle.
PREDICTION. Sally is gonna drive Barry crazy and the show is gonna end with him killing his family
I doubt it was a real time jump more like that scene of him and sally and old and slowdancing a vision
I love Hader's directing style of making characters appear out of nowhere 🤣
Hader talks about David Lynch a few times in interviews, and Lynch does the same thing. Walking in and out of pitch black.
Holy shit I thought this was just another daydream. I didn’t realize it’s an actual time jump.
With this show, you never know.
It’s not clear exactly what this is
@@cockroachvit’s been confirmed by bill that it’s a time jump. 8 year time jump
Me neither you figured once they try to leave Sally’s apartment Moss would be right there ready to either kill or take Barry in.
@@Jubilation457 moss left, he started his car to leave, Barry ain’t no fool, also if it was imaginary he wouldn’t be unhappy
I don´t know if i`m overanalyzing here or if anyone else has pointed it out. But the shot of the refrigerator is an absolutely genius metaphore. We have the wine bottles that Sally drinks in one side, beer cans for Barry on the other, and the partially eaten donut for the child probably. Them living in a house that big could be a fantasy, but it is pretty clear that the family itself is struggling with their own personal demons and are living miserably due to the choices Barry and Sally made. Not to mention that the fridge looks almost empty save for those three foods to begin with. And the first thing that John picks up as he opens the fridge is the beer can implying the possible influence of his father when it comes to his emotional issues and shut-in nature.
I thought the half eaten donut was a refrence to the season 3 opener but it could be both.
@@rivermouthproductions3314 It is
Wine and beer arent food lol
@@sowpmactavishfor you
I’m fairly certain it’s the fantasy of an unhinged Barry. All of his fantasies have some bizarre details
That “Really?!” was delivered in such a childlike way. It’s hilarious.
My takeaway from this is Sally became a wine mom who squandered all her potential and Barry became a repressed father trying to drink away his past. The donut is there to represent the kid and the idyllic innocence that they thought they could escape into, but when the kid took the beer it hinted that he inherited his father's true nature, this is further foreshadowed by his violent tendency upon being teased by the other kid.
@@jonathanshihadeh What does this have to do with anything?
English teachers be like
it's a pretty simple and direct explanation idk what you want from them
It’s a normal school-yard scuffle over boy stuff (though it shows John has been sheltered in some way since he’s ignorant of a common video game). The fridge contents suggest Sally and Barry aren’t the best parents, but the kid just needed ice (something cold) for the bruise on his face.
This is throwing me for a loop. The food in the fridge and the setting make me think it’s another daydream but then again who knows with this show
UPDATE: Bill confirmed it's a time skip. Holy balls.
It's not. Just heard the podcast, it's an 8 year time jump.
I thought it was a dream to at first but what finally tipped me off was the whole "he's never heard of Call of Duty" when the kids were fighting, at first I thought "hmm that's a weird thing for a kid to not know" But then it made sense if Barry and Sally are in hiding!
@@evillink1 what podcast
@@eldandnyis3572 but then how do they get beer? You telling me they can go to the store for alcohol but not a video game
@@quixote_7it’s more like they have no internet/service so they can’t be found
Bill Hader himself confirmed this to be a real 8 year jump!
when?
@@MatiasGonzalezCataldo on his podcast right after the show aired.
@Wew Lad Could easily be misleading people. I hope the God he is or that the show won't fully skip ahead until the second to last or last episode . .
No he didn't. He said this is what Barry imagines he could have in 8 years. He never said this was real.
@@CommanderLongJohn it isn't a real time skip. Bill meant it was Barry imagining what their future can be now that they're together again.
To me, this show is going in a similar direction as the last season of ‘Better Call Saul’ in a sense that some important characters are killed off early, there’s a time jump to the future for our central character and it’s at a point where I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen next. This show will most likely not have a happy ending for Barry, or maybe it will, but I trust Bill Hader will give us an ending that will not disappoint.
With 4 episodes left I correctly guessed the general idea of how better call Saul would end, it was predictable but perfectly executed. I have no idea how they are going to end this.
Was literally just thinking that same exact thing lol, I’m getting the sort of vibe I got around the middle of better call Saul season 6
I never thought I would say this, but I really just want Fuches to be okay.
Will Fuches choose forgiveness like Ryan’s Dad or will he choose vengeance? It looks like forgiveness but let’s see…….
I don’t think so. Fuches’ character arc can be summed up in one phrase “Bad choice road”.
He had so many opportunities to live a peaceful life so many times but he always chose ruining Barry’s life over peace and he’s now suffering in jail for it.
He made his own bed. He must face the consequences of his own actions.
This is a time jump of 8 years so I'd guess he died in prison, like a king (of sorts)
Thank you.
@@thebadwolf3088 Or he's looking for Barry after being released from prison, i don't see Fuches letting bygones be bygones
I think part of what sells this as a time jump and not a daydream: Barry's daydreams of married life with Sally are so idealistic, showing them happy and growing old. It's his idealized image of what it is to be a normal married couple.
Well, in a way he got his wish. They are (at least as far as we can tell - I assume we'll see more on Sunday) a normal couple. But their situation, with a son who lashes out, the two of them both drinking, and isolated from their former communities and lives, is clearly far from ideal.
It makes sense for time to jump and the characters are at their low point to make it real. I think it further adds intrigue and a final change for us to experience before what seems to be a explosive finale inbound.
And it shows that the kid’s problems stems from his parents and nothing else (being so cut off from the world).
Agreed, if he is their bio kid, i feel like it's selfish to have a kid (if intentionally) under those circumstances.
Man I appreciate hader as a director more after these last few episodes. Those long shots and just the beauty of how everything flowed is so damn refreshing. Time jump was fucking crazy. This guy is a genius. He’s directing every episode this last season
I fucking love this. Genius subversion. Most crime shows like to jump ahead to the main character's future when it's their demise (started by Breaking Bad) but never have I seen it show for the opposite direction.
Idk, I don’t want to say it doesn’t make sense because it is ultimately kind of the same thing as in breaking bad where the main characters world has fallen down and there’s a big man hunt for him. I guess I just wasn’t expecting this at all. I’ve noticed that a lot of shows especially crime shows are afraid to end the same way breaking bad did like ozark and from what it looks like Barry as well. they want to be different but I’m kind of left on the fence starting to think this show might not end in a satisfying way. Still got four more episodes so hopefully the show can win me back over.
Bill is madman holy shit
Right! 😮
The fridge really screams child services
It would make sense though sally seems to me that she would drink her problems away. She’s one of those mothers.
The fact that she knew where he was hiding shows how well she knew him and that’s amazingly wholesome.
That “really?” Is just comedic timing to an otherwise horrific episode, holy shit
Barry was never really violent or aggressive around Sally, except when he was on the literal brink of a mental breakdown from whatever was happening in his killer life. If they were really sequestered away, I feel like the kid just hates his parents, who wouldn't, knowing he's extremely isolated?
I think it's interesting to note that one of the Barry posters for hbo is him eating a donut. And that same donut is the one in the fridge.
It’s also the same doughnut that sally gets him after he freaks out at her in season 3.
Same donut he eats at Forgiving Jeff
I reeeeally hope we see a grown-up Lily come after Barry. It would be so hilarious (and kinda true to her character) if she just pops up out of nowhere and attacks him.
Barry was looming throughout this whole episode. I was paranoid like Gene and was kind of hoping he'd be in the apartment like Sally.
4x5 was so depressing that I had convinced myself for a good 10 minutes that it was an imagination similar to Barry's earlier visions of having a child, except this time showing how limited his prospects are. The fact that it ended up actually being the last near decade of his life was crushing.
What really threw me for a loop was Sally ending up choosing Barry, I know she's got her own issues but I'd still love to find out from her own POV, why she would rather live a life on the run with Barry then stick around in the one she has.
This might even be a dream sequence though.
But looking from Sally’s “fucked up” perspective, it kinda makes sense
- Her parents never protect her and always side with Sam, who abused her a lot of time.
- Barry always looking out for her and is the only one who listens to her and cares about her interests, unlike her other colleague like Natalie who betrayed her or Gene who only looks out for himself. Barry also helped her go further in her career (albeit it came from the moment she slapped him which sent him spiraling and went to kill people in the monastery afterward)
- Barry was creepy and abusive to her but compared to everyone else, he only yelled at her just one time (unlike Sam, who hit her for years) and even when he suggested a super non-violent method at making Sally’s boss hanged herself, it was for Sally’s best interest.
- Barry took the blames for the murder that Sally committed.
@@nont18411 Bill Hader said it's real
Also Sally tried one last time to make it as an actress but immediately noticed that it's NEVER going to happen the way she'd want it to, she blew her chance to be a star (more than once) and I don't think she liked the hand she was dealt.
She wants to be accepted. Hollywood won’t accept her. Barry will.
I think she's faking it. After a few years together, she will run away with her son from him, pretending she was his hostage. This false story will help her become the star she always wanted to be
This episode was one of the best in the show, loved it!
R.I.P Cristobal
The way that kid yelled “you made fun of me” lol
Also this entire show has always been surreal, so a time skip like this is in line imo
The kid walks like Bill Hader
love the way this is edited. it’s like quick cuts. cuts that feel like they’re too sudden to sell that sudden discomfort and disorientation
The fridge is a dead giveaway that Barry's dream of this life is not what he hoped for
Sally doesn't say a single in the word in this scene and the multiple wine bottles indicates that she's depressed that she never became the star she always wanted to be because she destroyed her reputation, her parents never really were on her side, and she ranaway and had a kid with a hitman
So yeah, she's probably not the best wife or mom
And then there's Barry who's a downright sociopath and probably doesn't feel guilt towards most the people he's killed or hurt except for maybe Fuches or Gene and definitely Chris and with all the bad decisions he made in L.A. he probably has a guilty conscience about all that's happened and what he did
Add that he's still socially awkward and doesn't understand people well and he's probably not the best dad
So yeah, Barry and Sally are definitely failing their son and are miserable
Barry has everything he ever wanted but he's still living in a hellhole
Damn dude you might be right
So much is conveyed visually, my filmmaking brain was tingling throughout the scene. It's exactly what you saw and what can be explored from that, has me excited for the second half this month.
The donut harkens back to when Sally got him a video game and set the table with beer and a donut to placate him after his outburst in season three. I'm guessing that's something that happens a lot. This is some bleak stuff.
@@RandoLePerson Hader confirmed its a time jump
Cope
Sore lack of Jon Hamm in that home life.
Jon took too many dumps in Barry's toilet
I personally thought at the time jump was brilliant because of its uncliché nature. The only thing I could think about throughout the whole season was that berry was going to have to be neutralized, and everything‘s gonna fall apart one side or the other and all those things are pretty cliché - the big antihero usually passes away because of all these misdeeds.
so this was definitely a very interesting take. I’m curious to see how it progresses.
It’s really incredible that they are bringing the daydreams full circle with Barry and Sally actually having a kid. The Barry episodes of “the prestige tv podcast” have been really interesting to hear all of the insights.
They don't actually have a kid. You're misunderstanding what Bill said. This is still one of Barry's visions. This is what Barry imagines he could have in 8 years.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 no it’s an 8 year jump and they have a kid. Also all of the daydreams have been positive even the one of him giving the pep talk to “denzel.” I highly doubt barry would imagine his son being called a freak and using a beer to ice his face.
Dios, es que en serio "Barry" te vuela la cabeza de un instante a otro y los saltos en el tiempo te dejan pensando
I dont think this show would drop a bombshell like this only to reveal it as a daydream in the next episode. That would be tacky as hell for an otherwise sharply written show.
We definitely have an 8 year jump here. Maybe we get some flashbacks though. We're only at the halfway point
This ain't a real time skip. It's showing what Barry now believes they're gonna have in the future. Why else would they be in the same desert that Barry always imagines in a house that wouldn't make sense in that location in real life? It's very clearly a mix of his memories of his brothers growing up and his hope for a future with Sally.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 Bill Hader himself confirmed this is not a hallucination, it's an 8 year time junp
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 you are so incredibly annoying. copy and pasting the same exact incorrect theory, into every reply section.
I think it finally hit her that the only thing right about her life at all that she finds some happiness in is Barry.
And that people are never going to forget what she did. She made a mistake, and as far as they’re concerned she is that mistake.
I don't think Sally is happy with Barry.
@@mslitchick cause youre a woman lol
@@mslitchick She has some case of StockHolme Syndrome for sure.
This episode makes me think the show already surpassed Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
IT DID, IT HAS.
This time jump reminds me a lot of the black and white parts of Better Call Saul
@@theWn123 thos bnw parts reminded me of fargo haha no diss intended love better call saul but i dont know if anybody else got that sense of feeling
honestly, i agree.
Ironically it also takes elements from both.
“Oh it’s just a daydream”
“WHAT THE FUCK”
Just finished the episode and seeked out this drop so I could say I Love this show soon much! and this was a perfect episode. Please do more seasons!
my friend just said that barry's son is doing the hood irony walk and i cant unsee it 💀
I wasn't sure if it was in his head or if it really was a time skip. This is one of the best shows ever made.
Bill confirmed it to be a time skip
I assumed it was another of his fantasies/delusions, if this is meant to be real I no longer have _any_ idea how things are gunna go but I'm super excited still
Feel like Barry is bleeding out and this is his vision of how he hoped life would turn out.
I’m surprised no one is mentioning Jim Moss being outside the apartment before the time jump. I keep thinking something has to come of that right? It would be next level insane if Sally kills Moss so they can flee lol. The dude is so smart but I don’t think he would see her helping Barry coming.
THIS A TIME JUMP?!
I THOUGHT IT WAS A ANOTHER FANTASY WTF?!
It is a fantasy. These people just misunderstood Bill's words.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 or bill purposely lied about this being a time jump to derail the audiences’ ideas.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 ...
This episode ditched the comedy and just gave us flat out tragedy after tragedy. What’s really sad is that Gene killed his son because he mistook him for Barry, who never even tried looking for him because his only goal was seeing Sally again.
I don’t think his sons dead . Just was shot in the shoulder I believe -- right?? 😅
Wait wasn’t that an Uber driver he shot lol
the helicopters were so "delicious", they were so present there. The sound was so great I felt like they were at my home
It´s super hard for me to believe he avoided Jim Moss for 8 full years. Guess we have to wait to find out...
He didn't. It's a dream sequence. Everyone is misunderstanding what Bill said in the podcast. This is what Barry THINKS they can have now.
Why not? They make the cops look pretty incompetent.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 he wouldn't fantasize about having a kid with behavioral problems
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 Idk he seemed pretty clear that the time jump was real as he mentioned we'll see an older hank at some point. I don't think Barry and Sally are out of the woods yet.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7hope not the 8 year time jump is more interesting than it's a dream so none of it really matters
2.34 same type of sprinkled donut barry was eating at the start of season 3 ep1?.....part of the algorythum that made it easier for natalie to pitch her show "just deserts" and get out from under sally? ....bit of a random observation but still and all seems kind of symbolic...
yeah I’m thinking if they’re gonna pull a mindfuck over this.
While the life Sally and Barry have built here doesn’t seem to be very happy or fulfilling, the eight year time skip adds a mountain of significance to the inevitable moment when fate comes knocking at their door.
They have a son. They have a marriage. They have a family. They’ve evaded capture for 8 years. In a lot of ways they’ve gotten away with it, but in a moral universe they’ve just lengthened the noose that’s going to hang them eventually.
The entire series, Barry’s core function has been burying corpses underneath him to keep himself above quicksand. He’s fully aware that he’s going to hell, and every new murder just grants him a brief extension until the ground finally swallows him up.
Thing is? The more you stretch your soul, brandishing sin against fate and death, the harder it snaps back when your fingers finally slip.
Barry never should have had a child. He’s a broken and violent man, and running from truth and responsibility is a part of who he is. Becoming an actor wasn’t a path to redemption, it was just a poetically appropriate method of pretending to be someone else. Every interaction he has with a normal person, he has to pretend to be someone else, the truth is just too terrible and he knows it.
The world already discovered what he was, and he cheated fate and stole a shred of happiness that wasn’t his with a woman just broken enough to love him.
Now he has something that the Barry from the pilot didn’t. Now he has something HE loves, something to truly lose, and the world’s going to take that thing away from him in the cruellest way possible. Not by killing his son, but by (I predict) showing him who his father truly is and making him hate him.
With all the pain and suffering he’s caused, the families he’s destroyed and the lies he’s told, simple death wouldn’t be enough for Barry to pay his debts. He’s got to know the pain of a man who loses his family.
Sarah Goldberg said Sally's hair is wrapped for a reason. Bill Hader said in an interview the 4th season ties either into the first episode or first season to make Barry a complete story. Remember from the first episode Sally reads the scene from Magnolia where she the wife has it out with the pharmacist who fills her husband's RXs who is dying of cancer. The wife says, "I have death all around me." My guess is that Sally has cancer or that Sally will attempt to kill herself like the wife did after getting her husband's RXs. I don't see Barry having a happy ending, which would move the series from the comedy to the drama category. Maybe Barry will kill himself like the Chechen assassin in season 1. Barry has to face accountablity this season.
Agreed. My gut reaction to seeing Sally with her head wrapped was cancer 😢
@@Tomsfoolery We'll see what is going on with them this Sunday. I read in the reviews beforehand that when you think this season zigs it then zags.
It turned out to be much simpler, she is basically "acting" and hating doing what she's good at doing. Lying to herself and everyone around her. I think the best way to kind of prepare yourself is, think of the films he is inspired by, Unforgiven and No Country For Old Men. That's where the show is heading for its finale.
To the uploader, do you think you could put up the sand scene? I'd really like to have that isolated.
I knew the second she had told him back in prison that he made her feel safe she had kinda already forgave him
This show will end like Unforgiven. I'm calling it.
Deserves got nothing to do with it
how so?
@Benjamin B I heard Bill mention it, I think in the Ringer podcast last week. Comparisons were made. If you've seen the movie you can see how this ends up there. It would be an epic ending.
@@MisfitsFiendClub138 You look good girl
@@benjaminb6678 he's mentioned many times over the years how this show was influenced by it and the original pitch was what if the dude from Unforgiven found joy in an acting class
I'm very mixed on this approach, on one hand it's a nice change up from the drab prison setting but on the other its jarring and frustrating we wont see what happened in between now and then.
I think it’s still possible we might see what happened eventually
@@RandoSchmando My guess is we will see how we got there in the next episode or in the series finale. Although... At this point... Who knows with this show. Lol.
This isn't a real time skip.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 ...
Oh shit i literally thought it was a dream not an actual jump holy shit
This series is unreal
I think this is another vision
Edit : this is in fact not a vision
Dont know if anyone else has picked up on this but the sound design on the credit roll is great. Im pretty sure - coreeft me if im wrong - that what you hear is Sally at the table opening what sounds like a bottle of pills. Coupled with the bottles of wine and beer, yeah....they're coping hard
I’ll Miss u cristobal 😢
Bill is lying
This ain’t real, it’s a dream. I honestly have no clue where the series is gonna end now. I just hope Hank dies after what he did.
Edit: so it’s confirmed real...I again have even less of an idea where this shit is going
I want to believe Hank knew they were listening and had to be the bad guy to protect Cristobal.
Bet you’d never thought you’d be wishing Hank dead lol
According to Bill Hader, it was real and an 8 year time jump.
The funniest thing is that Hank and Fuches, of all people, are gonna be crime lords 8 years later.
The time jump still feels weird. Like idk i wish there wasnt one and they could have one episode in between to show what happened i guess. But there still time so maybe they will idk. I still enjoy it and love the show
Am I the only one who thought this was another one of Barry's daydreams?
REALLY 🥺
It’s already been confirmed on a podcast by bill hader it’s a real time jump not a dream sequence guys
What podcast
You didn't understand him. He says it's a dream sequence of what Barry thinks he's now gonna get in 8 years. It's not actually what's happening.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7 Stop wasting people's time then, Spoiler.
Wait so was this real or was this a vision like those ones from season 1?
Confirmed by Hader as real
@@lamario295 holy shit
@@lamario295 it’s not confirmed at all lol he said this what Barry thinks his dream life would be
Sooo does sally have cancer or am I reading too much into her head being wrapped? Probably just got out of the shower right? Right?
Wait, if there's an 8 year time jump doesn't that mean Lily is out there and now a full grown woman?
There isn't a real time jump. And they probably wouldn't bring back Lily.
I seriously expected a better ending for sally, although we still don't know what happened to her, I hope at least she has continued her acting career since episode 1 everything goes wrong
That’s kind of depressing living in the literal middle of nowhere.
Respect to Farmers
i thought this was another Barry imagination
You know that time jump is a good thing in my opinion seeing Barry and Sally together with their son😳but hey I’m betting hank is embracing the crime lord style😈.
So Bill’s gotta make a horror movie after this right?
He said in an interview that one of the scripts he's working on is a horror movie.
This is my headcanon show finale ending.
We're only at the half way point this season. Fuck me man
Wait I just realized…where the hell was Albert in all this??
It’s a daydream guys just like the ones he had in the first two episodes
Bill hader confirmed it real. Shit threw me off until I read his interview.
@@everettenjeze6276 yea I listened as well just so weird because the background is the same in all his day dreaming. The kid I think looks the same as his younger self when he’s day dreaming in the second episode
@@nutricartel what podcast?
@@nutricartel yeah I felt the same way
So episode 4 is the end of Barry and we are now in the epilogue of the show it seems like
We're not. We're in the middle of the story still. This time skip isn't real. Bill said it's what Barry thinks the next ten years are gonna be like.
@@SKEEBOFFICIAL7why would you go out of your way to spoil it?
Looks like Sally has absolutely turned into her mother.
Def a day dream - im okey either way, but the fringe is comical
Sally a real one 🤞🏻
"Really?" 🤣
a part of me believes that this is just a hallucination of barry and that the end will be sad for him.
Na no way it’s a time jump, it has to be a daydream. He was imagining the same stuff in prison with him as a kid and his father with his “uncle”. It was the same background he’s just slipping further and further
And the wind noise in the background, same as his other daydream.
@@coryboy345 maybe the title “it takes a psycho” is also referencing it takes a psycho to imagine that ending
@@nutricarteltitles for Barry come from quotes of the characters. Hank said this episodes title
@@RandoSchmando true true
@@nutricartel yeah that was a dig too deep there
I think it's a fantasy because judging by Budweiser's current predicament, it's likely they'll go bankrupt and not exist in the future 😂
But seriously, this looks like a fantasy Barry is having inside a mental institute due to all the PTSD and rage attacks catching up to him. He doesn't deserve a happy ending and I don't think the show writers will give him that.
It will end like unforgiven
@@tonydaza8504 for someone who hasn't seen unforgiven how does it end?
Beer and wine. And a donut. Not a great sign
This episode hurts me
Is this a time jump or one of Barry’s fantasies?
I can see it being a real time jump, but I still want to see what happens present day and what leads into this future as the ending
Barrys son seems to have anger issues, thats no coincidence
They pulled a Battlestar Galactica
Was this the end?
Practicamente este fue el final de la serie porque el arco de hank ya esta cerrado se convirtio en el lider de todo L.A y fuches es el rey de la prision,sally se termino yendo con barry solo falta que se cierre el arco de moss que nunca va a dejar de perseguir a barry y gene con eso con su hijo
Según lo que leí todos malinterpretaron lo que dijo Bill, y espero no sea real, sally merece hacer su carrera, los escritores la odian, no me sorprendería que acabe mal
@@Luis-iv4pf pero bill dijo que es real el salto temporal de 8 años
If this time jump I wanna know what happens to everyone else before this
WAIT IT JUST HIT ME THE DONUT IN THE FRIDGE WITH ONE BITE IN IT IS THE ONE BARRY IS EATING IN THE SEASON 4 POSTER
Sally got on my nerves. I just didn’t like her character after awhile.