Athlean-X PLEASE STOP Nocebo'ing the YouTube Fitness Community (I AM BEGGING YOU)
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- #EnkiriEliteFitness #AthleanX #CurleanX
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0:00 Introduction
1:44 Jeff minimizes the impact that training decisions have on injury risk
6:31 Jeff blames the injury on abduction
9:09 Powerlifters actually almost never experience this injury
14:56 Jeff's approach ignores anthropometry entirely
17:04 Conclusion: STOP NOCEBO'ING
Jeff Cavaliere of ATHLEAN-X DOTCOM recently released a video discussing the Ryan Crowley pec tear incident that went viral a few short weeks ago. In his video Jeff ultimately, essentially, blamed Ryan's injury on bench pressing with a large amount of humeral abduction, in spite of the MYRIAD of other factors at play there, of which there were a vast, vast abundance. It is disingenuous to try to point to a single culprit in an instance such as this, and the end result, as evidenced by hordes of comments from people who are now scared to bench press (even though their risk of experiencing this injury is slim to none), is that the UA-cam fitness community is NOCEBO'D by it's "savior" once again. So today I ask - no, I BEG - Jeff Cavaliere, Athlean-X, the King of UA-cam Fitness: PLEASE STOP nocebo'ing the community that you preside over!
The Athlean-X video in question
• Pec Tears and Bench Pr...
Curlean-X's response video on the topic
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My video discussing the Ryan Crowley pec tear
• Ryan Crowley DEVASTATI...
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Jeff is a boomer PT. I currently practice in clinic and implement A LOT of strength training principles in all patient populations. These old views of putting blame on movements still persist and I push back against them everyday. If you ever want a convo or viewpoint of "newer" physical therapist, I'd be glad to talk
For sure man! Thanks for chiming in. I wouldn't mind picking your brain a bit to be honest.
Interviews would be a really interesting addition to this channel
@@EnkiriElite 25alexanderson@gmail.com or alexaphysicaltherapist on instagram. Reach out if you're ever interested and we can set something up. Huge disconnect between training and the rehab world that would benefit everyone if the perceptions changed. Keep up the great content, man.
@@jaredjordan7935 dm me on ig or shoot an email
Although I get the point you’re making, as someone sane age as Jeff, I push back at the boomer characterization.. we are gen x... I know you mean the mentality toward PT is boomerish but still... old man triggered here lol
Jeff started out benching on the smith machine and we never really see him barbell pressing with a lot of weight (aside from the fake weight video). I just don't think Jeff pushes himself to train bench heavy, which is fine, but that will lead him to not really understand various forms of benching because your form will adapt as you go heavier and heavier.
But I agree with you and talked about this in my video reaction. Ryan's injury didn't happen "that day". It's months of abuse & micro-tearing and not listening to your own body. Great video Alek!
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And be sure not to to touch your chest while you're doing it!
@@woodbrochillson1748 yre damn right
@@woodbrochillson1748 sounds like someone has big forearms 😘
@@EnkiriElite man that video makes me cringe every time! He stops like 6 inches about the chest...
I followed all of Jeff's advice and now my gym time is 3 hours of injury prevention and 4 hours of curls. No other lifts because they're all too dangerous and not athletic
Dude, don't forget to follow that with some facepulls and corrective exercises.
No face pulls? Pfff fake!
Remember if you do decide to do a compound lift, exhale before bracing your core
Dont even think about full range of motion if you decide to bench. You're gonna wanna stop about halfway to your chest then push back up
😂😂😂😂😂
Jeff pulls both real weights and fake weights to avoid imbalances
He clearly didn't utilize Jeff's 10x10 @RPE 8 program. Comes with a tendon-tear free guarantee
This is the second tear I see where a guy grabs his chest like he is in pain BEFORE doing the exercise.. Stop ignoring aches and pains, that's your body telling your stupid ass that something is wrong.. These things don't just happen out of nowhere
Jeff the type of guy to tell a woman giving birth to exhale all of her oxygen supply and externally rotate her shoulders.
Athlean X is marketed towards clueless beginners ..Always was. Always will be.
He's the best rehab and prehab specialist on UA-cam. He may not be a great S&C coach but no-one can debate his anatomical knowledge.
@@JakeyG14 it's April 2 now, what r u smoking lmao
@@JakeyG14 late April fools? He is a trash physio. He’s a glorified celeb personal trainer at best. Doesn’t even understand load management and think certain movements and rom are inherently dangerous without context.
Physical therapists are almost completely irrelevant when you have acces to a good strength and conditioning coach. Since most of the time it comes down to building muscle and strength in the right places to prevent/alleviate pain.
@@robbertvandermeijden You've hit the nail on the head. I'm 50 and in my early days of training before I had much idea of how to train or program training. I found physical therapist largely useless. Biggest problem is over use injury and muscle in balance. Once you address those you a largely safe.
Every time i see a Jeff thumbnail I scroll away as fast as possible.
I do the opposite. But to have a good laugh
You, Alec, along with Alan Thrall are among very few coaches who seem to understand that human bodies are capable of adaptation and improvement and not just clockwork mechanism of levers and pulleys. Just like you said: there are no bad exercises, just unprepared people. There is much more to pain or injury than wrong movement pattern - take Jefferson curl as an example.
So kudos for doing a great job of teaching that and making people less afraid of moving.
Scapular stability is far more important than humerus positioning (amount of abduction). It is typically easier for most people to maintain scap stability in a less abducted position but not in all cases.
Solid, informative video as usual.
This guy tore his pec due to steroid use and dangerous training, not his humerus positioning.
I don’t know. I think he has pretty wide shoulders. The width doesn’t look tremendous compared to his frame. His pecs definitely lacked mobility, developed far faster than the tendons, and were likely subject to previous minor strains (microtearing).
@@Mfitzy That is a LOT specific info you are completely clueless about if you haven't actually done specific screening prior to the injury. All one can say injury happened due to the poor load management.
Agree with you that there was almost certainly some inherent underlying issue or injury that was the root cause of his pec tear, compounded by several other factors you & others previously discussed.
I think the Vitamin S had a role. It made his pecs bigger but steroids don't strengthen the connective tissue, leading to more stress than they're designed to carry. Obviously its not the only reason, but sometimes it feels like nobody points out this effect of PEDs
The fact that his mobility was so bad he couldnt even touch the chest at the bottom was only a matter of time until he snaps something.
Dude you're everywhere 🤣
My man fit lab always speaking facts
@@joshkardos1673 geoffrey did tho
Early for the algorithm.
Thanks for being there bro, used to be a young yolo but your videos have helped a lot in increasing my over-all strength and athletic performance. Your advice has not only helped my big 3 but has also increased my vert. Thanks!
I've overused my shoulders from swimming competitively for years. Once I lifted weights this overuse came to the surface and I got various tendinopathies... I do not blame weight lifting for my injury, it was going to happen sooner or later... Almost no injury happens on the day! Great video!
Does swimming grow colarbone, or do professional swimmers simply have broad shoulders cuz of genetics
@@top2737 100% genetics!
@@user-ty8sd4ji3j thats what i thought. It makes sense that only the ppl with broadest shoulders get professional cuz its an advabtage, and not the other way around where swimming makes shoulders broad.
But i ask the question cuz i noticed that even casual swimmers usually have broader shoulders. Is this because they stick to swimming cuz their broad shoulders make them good at it, while ppl with narrow shoulders quit cuz they are not good.
Do u have an observation from seeing ppl around u? Do most people u see on the pool have broad shoulders? Are there some good swimmers with narrow ones?
@@top2737 As you said, basketball players are usually tall not because the play basketball but because it's an advantage to be tall and that's why they get good at it. There are exceptions to every rule... I'm a national record holder and have won several national titles in greece. I'd say my clavicles and general structure is pretty narrow hot my height (6ft 2 of 1.88m) yet most people still call me wide. But I've seen alla kinds of structures in competitive swimming. Same goes for talent, it's an advantage but over achievers who work hard can compensate for lacking it. For non- competitive swimmers it's like regular gym goers... You can tell some of them have amazing genetics but not all of them are competitive bodybuilders obv... I hope I covered you😁
@@user-ty8sd4ji3j ye makes sense, was just wondering, thx bro. Congrats on them records
Greeks and serbians brothers 💪💪💪💯
Hey, just wanna say that both you and The Bioneer have really changed the way I view fitness; it's about physical versatility, not about who's big. You've been one of the major forces in helping me realize how paramount form is when performing a lift and that it's okay if you can't do a lift, adjust accordingly until your body has properly adapted. For all this, I just wanna say... thanks dude :)
Agreed, Alec and The Bioneer rock. Fun and informative channels.
Also a big fan of The Bioneer, glad to see other people with the same tastes!
Your video on the pec tear was the the most informative and best video ive seen on that subject.
True, your video tought me soooo much bro when it comes to training and bench press. Much love.
12:14-12:22 is the tear pec. Skip if you want to
Your first video on the pect tendon injury was the best I've seen on the topic. I learned a lot from it.
When I was young, I had wide grip and more flaring elbows than not, and NEVER experienced shoulder pain.
Now that I am in my Forties, it's not the same and I have to say that the shoulder pain started when I was only bike riding as my sport. Back into weight lifting since a few years, I have to be more careful. But honestly, I don't feel that the flaring of the elbows is related to the pain I 'm experiencing.
I have to say that the pain is less present since I have retake weight lifting as my training....
I usually take a Bruce Lee method approach to fitness advice from youtubers: essentially take what works and discard what doesn't. I don't like the alarmist nature of Jeff's videos, but I do feel they can provide different insights into injury prevention and corrective exercises to incorporate into my workouts.
I've incorporated numerous fitness tidbits from him that have helped me correct postural imbalances and nagging aches, but also had performance increases as well. It's good to approach fitness advice with a bit of skepticism.
Yup, I 100% agree. Athlean X is a PT, and his PT related advice has been incredibly helpful for me in terms of aches and pains that I’ve had. His advice and tips on compound movements are generally pretty mediocre though.
@@dby999 Can you give me a specific example of some piece of advice he gave that made you change something which resulted in less pain?
@@suntzu7727 I would like to know as well, also what exactly was meant by "correct postural imbalances".
i don't like it when everybody just uses that Bruce Lee quote to defend stupid stuff, you can get better, well researched info from more places and there's nothing special about jeff
@@anandhua.b4589 Well if it's stupid stuff, you discard it DUH!
Waiting for the video explaining how to avoid injuries, thanks for all the work you are putting on youtube
Personally I find that tucking in my elbows on the bench puts stress on my shoulders, doing it flared just feels right and allows me to press more efficiently...Do what feels comfortable, everyone’s structure is different.
Athlean X is just a business these days
The last 3650 days, yes.
Always has been, it’s never been about helping people get stronger and more athletic. Just hyping visible abdominal muscles and forcing an eating disorder down averyones throat
@@robbertvandermeijden The only thing entering their throat they feel good about.
[Gun to the back of the head] Always was
Amazing video bro, I learned so much from it.. It's just a shame you don't have more subs bro been here since you had around 2k subs
This is the same guy who said you shouldn't breath in while squatting and do a 10x10 at 70% of your 1RM LOL.
Much Love from New Jersey Alec!!!!
Always great content bro!!!!!
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
very extremely simply put: it was to heavy for him.
Great analysis and info!
No PT here or expert, but I appreciate this series. Injuries are waiting for all of us. That is just the nature of life. But, not using your body for what it was intended to do, to move, and hampering mobility to such a degree, is just begging for problems. The sad thing is, the good literature out there makes this abundantly clear. Just look at the principles outlined in the text by Tudor Bompa, Periodization Training for Sport: 1) mobility; 2) general sport preparation; and so on..... The first principle is mobility. Look at the great Olympic lifters, they have freaky mobility. Just look at one of Klokov’s warm up sessions. Designing a training program without addressing mobility seems akin to designing a space program without adequately accounting for gravity. Again, thanks for the content.
Jeff's entire UA-cam existence is based off Nocebo's
Your point on ankle sprains in football is a really interesting one. I never knew it. It makes sense. That’s why I do things to strengthen my ankles for boxing, since you’re constantly shifting weight and changing direction and that strains the ankles. I prefer to run outside on unpaved roads to train my ankles. I also never wore calf-high boxing shoes because I felt they limited my movement and were a hassle to lace up, but I wonder if your point about football transfers over? Like the “extra ankle support” that calf high boxing shoes provide could be a detriment to boxers that don’t go out of their way to strengthen their ankles.
I never liked high tops for the same reason either...they limited my movement.
Ultimately I think it's going to come down to how often you use them and how much "function" you have without them. If you only compete wearing the high laced shoes but you don't really train while wearing them (at least not all the time) then you are probably not going to be at a very high risk..but if you wear them all the time then why would your ankles ever get stronger? They won't. They'll just lag behind until one day you take a misstep and sprain it. Then the fun begins.
@@EnkiriElite That's true. I think most boxers that use calf high shoes, would probably train with them. It's important to get the feel for the clothes you're going to wear in the ring, so that nothing feels "off". You're going into a fight, so you want all your energy and attention to be on your opponent, not distracted by shoes you're not used to wearing. Still a really good point and something I never really thought about until now. I may start recommending ankle high boxing shoes to people I train or at the very least, telling people that use calf high shoes to go out of their way to train ankles.
@@1notdeadyet1 yes, and therein lies the rub. You don't want to add variables going into a competition so pretty soon you're using them all the time. My solution is simply not to use them at all because I don't like them anyway or find them helpful. For people who do find them helpful you would be better off adding some ancillary work fornth lower legs and not wearing the high tops during the off-season. But wear them while training for a fight so that you don't throw yourself off.
@@EnkiriElite Yeah exactly. Like I said, I never used them, but I do know a few people that do. It may be something I bring up the next time I see them (who knows when that will be). What's interesting is this concept could also apply to Boxer's Knuckle. If you don't know what that is, it's basically when your knuckles harden and get bigger due to repeated trauma. It's the principal behind Iron Fist Training. Which would mean that people that train with less padded gloves, either by design or simply from wear and tear could develop Boxer's Knuckle to a more serious degree and thus hit harder as a result.
Great video. I grew up watching Arnold bench with a wide grip and elbows pretty high, and then go on to do flys the same way. All the old timers seemed to bench like that and even on drugs they didn't blow out their pecs like they do now.
The amount of pure logic in this video brings tears to my eyes..
Jeff the kind of guy to lick his finger before turning the page on his ipad
Fucking lol
Very well said, liked the video dude👍
Hi Alec - great channel - thanks for the first class content. Apologies for the off-topic question: Love the theme music - I got the impression from a previous reply to a comment that you produced it yourself. If so what type of fuzz? Sounds like a Big Muff (possibly Op Amp variety), and is it available for download anywhere. (Back on topic) Keep up the good work!
hi Alec great video. I have one question regarding tendons... once they heal from the training stimulus do they become significantly stronger than before or just like muscles only a little bit
one of my fav fitness channels this is
what are the points you agreed with Jeff in this regard?Is the double pause bench a good move?
Thanks!
You know I never made that connection with Bells pec tear. The guy who invented supportive gear for the bench tore his pec 🤔.
Well, SEMI-supportive gear. Supportive gear already existed...but he "mainstreamed" it and made it so you could train raw but get a mild taste equipped.
He invented the gear post pec tear.
@@mansplain3626 you’re wrong , he’s tore his pec multiple times even after he invented putting an elastic band around your arms
Mr Algorithm, here I am. Great video as usual!
Thoughts on Nick Wright tearing his pec recently? His form looked ok to me so I couldn't figure it out
May the algorythm bless you man
Great video man, the amount of nocebo in the fitness industry is what annoys me the most. Jeffs advice will not only hurt peoples long term gains but will also make them think they are fragile and at "high risk" for injury when they really aren't.
Not only in the fitness industry but in the physiotherapy space too.
@@suntzu7727 oh yea, lot's of bullshit there too
I had to watch it a second time bro. The ownage is just too real bro.
Im dead serious, my shoulders hurt me if I don't flair my elbows, and Im able to keep my elbows under the bar when I flair them. I can't when they are narrow.
His advice would be so backwards for me to follow. If all you ever did was roast him I would still love you.
So who's fault to blame for these injuries in the sports industry? Well I think just like any business, CAPITALISM. If there's money, ppl don't care if they injure themselves/their athletes or not...
Anyway yet another insightful video great job👍
That was a nasty tear. I cringe every time I see it. It'd be cool if he got a vid of the operation being performed though.
I also agree the flared elbows is risky. If you watch Chris Duffin videos where he described using the lats to push the bar off the chest and using more leg drive, your pushing will have more power. Tuck the elbows with the above form does lead to a safer shoulder position. If you look at Mendelssohn bench, his elbows were tucked during the fail. But I agree , if the person is not recovered then that person is at more risk.
Ever plan on going back to the bench press? I feel like you can get well over 315
Jeff was mogged by 135 lol
Dude you always end up making videos of things I rant about .. you working with google ?? Lol Great topic brother
Unfortunately athlean x isn’t marketed towards anyone who moves heavy loads... which is kinda ironic because the majority of athletes move fairly heavy loads 🤷🏽♂️.
He isn't an athlete. He's PT on relatively low dose of TRT (and probably var) with unhealthy low body fat. Having big biceps doesn't mean you're qualified to give strength training advices.
It is baffling the amount of educated trainers who don't really know wtf they are talking about. I went through this recently. Where I live every gym requires someone with uni education in training/physiotherapy to oversee and give people a training program; couple weeks ago one of these "teachers" (a scrawny looking dude who clearly can't squat half his BW) approached me and told me I was squatting all wrong and will end up screwing up my lower back (I was doing low bar squats and have long legs and short torso so I actually need to incline more than usual). I was confused at first because I felt my reps were pretty damn good and didn't feel anything wrong, so I thanked him and asked him to film me doing the movement again. I was left even more confused when I watched the video as he was saying I did it all wrong again because I was inclining too much and that is wrong. I sent the video to a couple friends who are actual power lifters, one who is a coach and they all said my form was solid. Meanwhile the guy kept pestering me suggesting me to train isolation quads before squatting because "that way you don't need to put so much weight when you squat and you'll build as much muscle :))".
A week later I met the guy again, and I just told him I sent the video to a bunch of people who actually know that stuff and that they said my form was good and he lost his mind. He kept bragging about how he actually studied this in uni and I am nobody who didn't study kinesiology at the uni and that he hopes I get injured so I can "learn a lesson".
I usually don't judge people by their strength or looks but I guess I should avoid taking gym advice from people who never actually tried to do heavy lifts at least once in their lives.
PS: I later saw this same "teacher" adding behind the neck press to a kid as part of their program :D
@@gustavosanches3454 lol ill just ask the dude to leave me the fuck alone and mind his buisness if his explaination on why i was doin it wrong was bs
Excellent
Yo Enkiri, the way you're breathing it seems like you have an ENT issue I would recommend to go to a ENT specialist to diagnose this issue. You probably have some nasal valve collapse ( Maybe need to widen your nostrils abit or reinforce it. This will affect your sport performance if not fixed. It's just advice man. Keep up the authentic content!
Have you watched the rest of Alec's videos?! Trust me, nothing is interfering with his respiration or sport performance!
He does speak rather fast, but it's an ingrained habit.
LOVE IT !! do you agree with squat university that toes pointed foward is more
Optimal for power in a squat ?!
Universally? No.
@@EnkiriElite Perfect response.
the whole bench flare thing is an artefact of like the matt ogus era of fitness, where bodybuilders discovered powerlifting bench technique. i remember greg nuckols debunking this way back in the day
Isn't shoulder retraction the key to saving shoulders on the bench and the degree of abduction affects the emphasized muscles (wider = more chest, the 45 degree = more tri engagement)? Ben Pollack also said wide "flared out" elbows isn't "bad"
Injuries in the gym happen due to 4 reasons only
1: poor fatigue management. This accounts for the vast majority
2: poor or lack of preperation, by this i mean if you have never experienced say a 4 inch deficit deadlift, its better to go light and build up to heavy work than to assume you can go heavy the first time. When doing new movements or movements you haven't done in a while, leave some weight on the table so you have room to build.
3: freak accidents, i.e the bar drops on your chest. This almost never happens.
4: excessive steroid use, steroids don't strengthen tendons at the same rate as muscle, high gear users need to be extremely careful and cautious.
Thats it. There are no bad movements.
Wait... Arent you supposed to flare your elbows when grinding heavy weights?
I m sure Jeff cannot physically tear a pec even if he benching "1000 lbs". Seriously only Brad might have "strenght potential", to beat him.
Hey alec do you live in florida now?
I agree with all this! Can you review Nick Wright's (UA-cam, fitness og) peck tear he suffered this year?
It all looked legit to me but he still ruptured it. I think he is natty as well
I use to follow him just long enough to realize he is too weak to be giving strength advice.
Never take advice from someone that tells you to, (Expel all the air out). At the bottom of a squat.
I suspect my training creates tendon risk. I am lean, and natural. But I am a climber, and fingerboarding is not risk free. However, it has a decent return, and one can train intelligently to lower the risk.
Sounds like a jeff debate might be coming down the pipe lines..(30 years from now)
19:31 he did refer to a flat bench if I'm not mistaking in which case would be kind of true, that's why you arch your back but apparently he didn't know that back then ...
Geoffrey Verity Schofield did an accident breakdown video as well, though I don't know when he made his relative to when you made yours.
Comment for the algorithm, been busy, quality content for a toilet break tho 👌
Yes, lubricating the process of defecation has been my life long desire!
@@EnkiriElite lmaoooo just ignore these trolls m8
@@shinsegi8422 Lmao this one just came up in my recommended again, not a troll m8 I was genuinely watching this while droppin' a deuce at work, not an Athlean X stan, haven't been that retarded for at least 6 years
20:07 wait is this 30 drop sets specifically for chest in one workout?! Madness
Just came from Curlean-X 's vid.
Alan Roberts will be defending him soon lol. Enkiri is the best youtube fitness channel bar none.
Na Alan is spending all his time ragging on fatties
Sports and Exercise science changes and training will be different for different sports. Continuous Professional Development is important for all professions wouldn't it also apply to Sports Coaching and Fitness Training ?
I bench with a fairly narrow grip, with my elbows tucked and stacked, and it still chews my shoulders up, so take that, Jeff!
Might be retracting the scaps too hard in that case.
Maybe you need a wider grip 😂
@@BaldOmniMan Hey coach! I'll see if that helps somewhat. I think my biggest problem is that my pecs don't contribute enough to my bench. I'm very tricep dominant, and they seem to take most of the load (which also stresses those front delts).
@@OMAR-vk9pi LOL, I do use a wider grip on a few light reps. I still experience the 'joy' from the last time I went wide with a heavier weight (late last year), when I injured both my left shoulder, bicep and elbow.
@@theghostofpcs2391 do close grip flared elbows right below nipple line. Will hit chest and triceps more, shoulder joint less.
Keep spreading the gospel man. Personally have a grudge against this dude for nocebo-ing me into scapular winging.
How do you handle overuse injuries?
@Mnbvcxz what
@@OMAR-vk9pi just back off for a while
Acclimation to the movement pattern becomes a bigger deal as you age. I've noticed this more now that I'm past 50.
I watched the video the other day and thought "I wonder what Alec Enkiri thinks about this"
For the algorithm
Jeff Would say Nobody should Sprint.
Oh not really, he has obese people, or old people, do intense sets of freaking sprintervals, 10 of them, in fucking day 2 of his program for newbies. And he has something like 400 jumps, and 20 mins of jump rope, in fucking day 2 of his "extreme fat loss program", including extremely overweight people. Dude doesn't care. He only pretends to care about health, but actually provide unsafe programming. Tell me how does that sound : Deadlift, 1 minute rest in between : 4rm, 8rm, 16 rm, 4 rm AMRAP in 2 minutes. Sounds really safe to me. Yikes.
@@michaelthreepeat wait what? WTF
@@elpelusaelpelusa Sad but 100% true. I used to be a victim when I didn't know better.
@@michaelthreepeat his anabolix program is crap too , got it for free and took one look at it and decided not to do it , like I already do most of what he preached in that program. It had you do a Bunch of deadlifts
@@moderatemexicanamericanpat4904 Thanks, I'm so not surprised it's crap. And a 1 month program, like it meant something...
I strained my shoulder pretty badly about 4 weeks ago. It wakes me up at night. Well, getting better now... It was not done because I flare my shoulders out, or because I put the bar down to my chest. It was simply done because I am a novice lifter and I started putting on too much weight too soon and my form started going to shit. I don't blame anyone for this but myself. These bullshit theories that say things can only be done one way are just that. I am a 'runner' and god knows I have heard all the theories about heel strike for example. How we cannot run fast while striking heel first. That's is utter bullshit. We all run differently. I heel strike, I am almost 50 and I am going to break the 6 minute mile for the 20th consecutive year this year.
For all the runners out there. It is not how the foot lands but where it lands that is way more important.
Hope your recovery goes well man. Thank you for spreading good information.
@@zohaibc96 Thank you. It is progressing well.
Athlean X try not to be a pseud challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Making gains is killing my gains.
Lack of mobility and flexibility are a huge part of the issue. I don’t understand the constant “it’s not a big deal arguments” as I learned the hard way that it is. Thanks for calling out the bullshit, I know it’s the harder path and it’s appreciated.
Read something recently about how the pec muscle fibers stretch disproportionately at the end range of motion of the shoulder joint, therefore a narrower grip leading to increased shoulder range of motion might have a higher (even if extremely low) risk for a tear associated with it than a wider grip with a smaller range of motion (the reason many powerlifters bench with a "relatively wider" grip, looking at you
I thought Jason Blaha posted a good video about this. He was stating similar things that close grip is better for taller people with longer arms, this is also true for me. That makes sense Alec might get a better ROM decrease to make it worth it, and also his arms are simply not long enough, or for another reason it just doesn't hurt his shoulders the same way. My shoulders definitely do better with close grip bench, 100%.
It doesn't have anything to do with height. It has to do with Anthropometry: the length of the segments of your arms compared to the build of the rest of your body. It has more to do with the length of your forearms compared to the width of your ribcage than anything else.
@@EnkiriElite Ah this makes perfect sense, I can see if my forearms were shorter my elbows wouldn't go a few inches past my chest... The further past they go, you can see how much more your shoulder stretches, and how much worse a position they're in. Keep up the good content.
@@artv4nd3l4y precisely!
Well the abduction into a guillotine incline press certainly did not help matters. I think it's possible some people could do it safely with enough tendon strengthening and mobility exercises but unlike the BNP it actually is quite dangerous for most people especially with high weight.
Based on what evidence did you come to this conclusion? Let me guess, there is none.
Apparently Jeff is desperate to find ways to stay relevant, even as it's clear his reign of YT fitness king is ending. There are so many better ways to think about lifting and movement patterns (shout out to The Bioneer) and ways to strengthen all parts of the body. As someone who has paid for the sins of the past when it comes to lifting, this video serves as cautionary tale to any lifter.
Nice work!
I dont know anyone with close to his subscriber count tho maybe jeff nippard or greg doucette can get close but unfortunately jeff will always get kids following him
@@chrisstanley9477 so many kids in the comment section just making memes I doubt they even lift seriously lol
Ha literally saw that video above this one
Should make a video titled "How nocebo is killing your gains"
do Marcus Filly next. dude puts out some crazy shit
I'll check him out.
Alec. I agree with your over arching point about Cavalier. However, I disagree with your defense of abduction. I note that you show Jen Thompson in your rebuttal. Yet, you do not seriously take her own prescription to minimize abduction or you would not display her as if she was a promoter of abduction. Jen competes raw and equipped. She does advise a twice shoulder with grip. This is probably because she does bench equipped and that is SOP. However, Barbend has an article recommending a narrower 1.5 x shoulder width. Jen herself is adamant about “squeeze the pinkie” or the last two fingers to promote tucking in the elbows which is opposed to abduction. She may be wide but she does not advocate splaying the elbows and I would agree. She also does plyo push ups which is demanding of a good elbow tuck. She has immensely strong lats precisely because she involves them to tuck the bows. So, to conclude. I suggest that either one you did not look up Jen’s own teaching or two you do not care. I believe the first. Please, consider allow her to speak for herself in the fiiture.
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Well you could say Ryan actually listened to Jeff... That's why the tore his pec.
How many subscribers does Jeff have again?
how many views does a new Cardi B video get?
@@ladev91 72?
Raise your hand if U had to google 'nocebo' before watching this video?? 🤔
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Another example of why people shouldn't listen to Athlean-X and his his stupid info.
Get ready for a fanboy attack
@@war_josh1550 yeah, I just don't care anymore.
It has already started, some moron made a moronic comment just a few messages above.
@@EnkiriElite I'd love to see a debate or an interview between you allan and Jeff
That's why you don't lift with your eyes open. All of this could have been prevented.