When you realise Tiresias's Prophecy most referred this specific saga: 1. I see a song of past romance - Sirens' Song 2. I see the sacrifice of men - Scylla 3. I see portrayals of betrayal - Eurylochus opening the Bag o' Winds AND Odysseus sacrificing people to Scylla 4. And the Brother's final stand - Mutiny / Thunder Bringer Plus, I'm sure you already know but Mr. Jalapeno confirmed some of the spirit choir lyrics in "No Longer You" - Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt.
Me: I hate Zeus. All of him. Also me, putting Thunder Bringer on this morning: *doing those happy hands all the song, jumping until my feet hurt, and squealing "Eeeee!!!!!:D" the entire song*
A lot of people like to hate on mistakes characters make in this but honestly, I think it's been pretty reasonable. Even Odysseus shouting to the cyclops when they left. lot's of people will say things they regret in a heated argument or snap at someone after having a bad day or just make bad choices in general. These men have been in a war for 10 years without being able to see or talk to their families, anxieties about things like if their wives remained faithful and still love them or if their children grew up well without their fathers chipping away at their mental state the whole time. Then you get entangled with monsters and polites, odysseus best friend and the one who kept things happy and cheerful, dies. Then athena shows up telling odysseus what to do after he already feels like a toy to the gods after the war and having to kill a baby because the gods would use said baby to start another one. It isn't surprising he got so fed up that he ended up snapping and doing something he shouldn't have. These men have been in a war for 10 years that none of them even wanted to be a part of in the first place, Odysseus included, have been struggling with ptsd, seeing their friends die, being hunted by a god, contantly facing starvation and they were so close to home before and are now so far away. Most people would probably go insane or just completely breakdown from just a fraction of what these men have been through.
Also in the livestream with the animation, Eurylochus was one of the men holding the torches, he gave it to one of the men he saved being attack and tried to save the others. Then he realized that the heads were after those with torches and that he doomed the person he saved by giving it to him.
6:09 I know right? And its one of my fave female monsters, Scylla a woman from waist yo, but waist down, she has six dragon, snake head monsters to attack and feed. Thus, the multiple voices.
Thunderbringer, and really this whole saga, gave me so many conflicting feelings... On the one hand, I was devastated by the ending; Eurylochus has been one of my favorite characters from the get go, and like you said, it was Odysseus who made that call. But also, Odysseus just learned that the wind bag being opened wasn't just one of his men- it was Eurylochus. _Eurylochus,_ his most trusted friend and brother, cost them both their fleet and their best chance to get home safely. Then _after_ learning this, he gets mutinied upon, and Eurylochus for the second time ignores his warnings, and once more, it costs the lives of their men. After all this, Odysseus gets blamed by Zeus, and given an ultimatum: His life and the chance to see his wife and kid again, or the lives of the man and crew that betrayed him multiple times? And even despite that, you can hear the pain in his voice as he tells Eurylochus his decision. He didn't want it to end this way, and it wouldn't have if Eury hadn't killed the cattle. And that's _heartbreaking._
well, with cattle Eurylochus ignores Ody, but he knows what would happen. he just wants the quick death by gods, not starvation (all of the crew actually). cause they are convinced they're never gonna see home, and just so tired
We could say that it wouldn't have ended this way if Eury hadn't killed the cattle but Odysseus saying "I am not letting you get in my way" makes it clear he would not have had an issue sacrificing Eurylochus to the next monster, that is if he wouldn't have killed him right then and there had the rest of the crew not intervened.
Two fun facts: 1.) Eurylocus is Odysseus's Brother-In-Law in Homer's The Odyssey. 2.) Scylla is a colossal sea mosnter with six heads and an atractive female facade as a lure.
Not as a lure. She used to be a nymph until she was turned into a monster by Circe who was in love with a man who loved her. This wasn't written by Homer though, obviously.
@@deadeye4047 in more traditional mythology, Scylla was born a beast, no facade. in some other poems, Circe was in love with a mortal, but he loved Scylla, and when he asked Circe to make Scylla the nymph fall in love with him, Circe turned the sea nymph into a horrendous monster with six heads. Scylla fled from the underwater court and lounged herself onto a giant rock. On the other side was Charybdis, a sea monster that sucked in ships. When ships tried to avoid Charybdis, they scooted to Scylla. If they were fast, Scylla would take six men, and if they were slow, each head would eat two men. That's why in the Odyssey, I think it's Circe who warns Odysseus of Scylla
To clarify the end, during the livestream visualizer that jorge made (which is all confirmed cannon), the animatics did show ody sinking into the ocean with the other crew members bodies floating lifelessly around him. So its safe to say he is already on his own going into the next saga. Side note I absolutely loved the reaction videos, definitely my favorite of all the epic creators and the caption editing style is amazing, love your humor and comments. Cant wait for whatever you do in the (hopefully not so far) future!
When you're facing a giant six-headed monster, you've got the choice between running or trying for the slim chance to defeat it. Odysseus figured rather than gambling most of everyone on that slim chance, using 6 men as bait while the rest escaped was a better choice. A ruthless one, to be sure - but what else to expect of the monster.
Actually in the musical its possible to make it through Scyllas cave safely if you give her tribute of six men. That's what Odysseus did, which is why he told Eurychleas to light six torches
He sacrificed six men to save the crew because, there were no options left. Sacrifice six men or challenge a creature that even Poseidon feared. In that moment it was the better choice. Sadly.
Mutiny + Thunderbringer have become my favorite part of Epic so far, and Eurylochus remains my favorite character. Just feel bad for everyone atp, and the dynamic between Eury and Ody is so good. The fact that he still called Ody a friend after the fight (and after Ody made him mark 6 friends for death) is tragic, that ending was the most depressing part of the musical by far
I can't really feel bad for Eurylochus seeing as they would've already been in Ithaca if he didn't open the windbag, plus, he was ready to leave everybody behind at Circe's Island, and then despite Odysseus begging him not to, he killed the cattle and doomed everybody.
@@minimini-_-Poseidon was coming to kill Ody anyway because he stupidly doxxed himself, Eury opening the bag just made it happen sooner. He probably would have stopped them at the sea anyway, or at worst he would flood Ithaca. He was guilty over it and just let the Winions’ whispers get to him. In Puppeteer he wanted to save the lives they had before there were none, and he was technically right since Ody would have died if Hermes didn’t come out of nowhere afterwards. And he had given up hope of returning when he ate the cows, he just didn’t want to die of starvation (hunger makes ppl do crazy things). The fact that they spared Ody and still called him his friend shows it wasn’t out of resentment. They were all just too worn down
@@Phasmania Odysseus was very stupid when he revealed his name but, part of his crew and his best friend just died, and he was holding on to Polities open arms ideology, which isn't enough to make his actions reasonable but you could say he did it cause he was distressed like some if Eurylochus' actions. I'm not gonna say say Odysseus is a good guy, but what I will say is that Eurylochus wasn't that much better. Every character has their flaws and both Odysseus and Eurylochus definitely have a lot of flaws. In my opinion, though, I prefer Odysseus just because I can't stand Eurylochus after the Thunder saga, but hey, that's just my opinion you like whoever you wanna like.
@@minimini-_- Fair enough, to each their own. I just feel like the fact that Ody made Eury hand out torches to mark 6 friends to die when he was already guilty over the bag is borderline malicious. Keep in mind it’s not like he said to pass them out, he could have been a Scylla snack too (tho maybe we’re missing some context). Eury sparing Ody and still clearly caring about him after their fight makes me like him even more
@@PhasmaniaOdysseus was definitely ready to sacrifice Eurylochus after he revealed he opened the windbag, if you saw the live steam animation Eurylochus originally had a torch but it fell out of his hands. Another thing about the livestream animatics is that after Odysseus chooses to save himself the crew including Eurylochus lunged at him trying to kill him. I don't believe Jorge has officially confirmed the animatics to be 100% true, but if he commissioned the animaters himself for this I would assume that that they were true to the story, but who knows.
And mutiny is what Tiresias was talking about when he said, “I see portrayals of betrayals and a brother’s final stand,” (I think) which would be another connection to a different saga
13:58 It’s absolutely a call back to The Horse and The Infant but also a call back to Survive “My brothers, the rest of the fleet they wait at the beach” While not as in immediate danger like survive. They are starving and hurt. They are trying to *survive* by any means necessary
Thank you for the video! I definitely think that “Scylla@ is my favourite song of the saga, but “Thunder Bringer” and “Different Beast” come really close behind
Also i love how when eurlychous? (forgot how to write his name) is talking about hunger and the cows the lines go same way as zeus' section from horse and infant as if foreshadowing what's to come
When he sings "all these cows to hunt right infront" it also has a similar melody to to the beginning of survive and then the end of mutiny is essentially history repeating itself
A detail I don't see mentioned enough is that the whole thing with Scylla is that they have to go through a very narrow channel of water, in which there were two monsters: Charybdis and Scylla. Charybdis it's literally a ship-eating monster who can suction boats whole. It wasn't that Odysseus sacrificed six men just because, the matter was that everyone would die eaten by an underwater monster or six die as a sacrifice and everyone else goes home. And if the problem is "Why not kill Scylla?", well the answer is easy, if you stay and fight instead of going away full speed ahead you're giving her enough time to eat those six men and attack more. Odysseus saw his options and did what he thought best to get home. What I do think that is my head-canon is that Odysseus was doubtful of what he was gonna do until Eurylochus said what he said, then Odysseus went "Well, I guess I wasn't in the wrong for this" and told him about the torches. I also think the other five might have been involved with the windbag and were targeted.
Let me know if you guys would be interested in reactions to some animatics once they’re released for this saga 😊 Also I can believe I missed Eurylochus saying he opened the wind bag in Scylla 🤦♀️. How did I miss such important information.
I read something about the reason why Odysseus sacrificed six men. Apparently because Scylla has six heads that is why he lit six torches, otherwise she would have destroyed the whole ship and everyone on it so Odysseus picked the lesser of two evils. And im pretty sure he wanted Eurylochus to die along with the other five men because of the secret about opening the bag, that's why he told him specifically to light the six torches.
I've been such a hater of Zeus (like the character) but dammit I CANNOT STOP listening to Thunder Bringer and jamming out to the instrumentals and amazing vocals of Luke "Thunder" Holt.
The way they would have made it home already if Eurylochus just stayed curious and didn't open the bag 😭 Cause what would he have done with a bag of treasure in the middle of the ocean???
In one of the versions of odyssey Poseidon turned into stone to crush the ship of the guy who helped Odysseus get home just because he knew he cant kill Odysseus (prophecy about him getting home safe) and kinda help to drown 11 of 12 ships when they fight giants so he was capable killing them even without storm, lol Eurylochus just made it easy And it wasn't because of treasure - after polites death, odysseus shut him down two times and running low on food (they didn't have chance to get them in cave, which was the reason why they was there in first place) AND gods minions tempting whispers he did not trust Odysseus as much as before
@@user-ne8xx4ls2q But in the Odyssey, Ithaca was literally in sight of the ship and they were almost docked, why couldn’t he just wait until they actually docked to take the bag and open it? Also idk about you but if a literal raging storm suddenly stops and the captain of my ship who was literally JUST talking to the god of winds says that the bag that he was given was holding the storm, I would believe him because the clues add up. And even if the bag WAS containing treasure I would just think that the treasure it was holding was what stopped the storm. So if Eurylochus didn’t open the bag, I’m pretty sure a lot more men would’ve survived and they would’ve reunited with their families and then they’d have to deal with Poseidon another day. And maybe, hypothetically, Poseidon would’ve flooded Ithaca, but at least they would’ve been able to reunite with their families in the end with a lot less deaths.
Not so fun fact: in mutiny eurylicus knew they wouldn't make it home bc if the gods and monsters didn't kill them Odysseus would sacrifice them, they oofed the cows to die on their own whims, maybe even not hungry, but their lives still ended because of odysseuss's choice... Meaning their own death was out of their control PLUS THEY GOT OOFED BY LIGHTNING
Additional not so funfact, eurylochus was one of the men holding the torches in the animation of the livestream. He pass it to someone else to save the others then realized they were after the ones holding torches basically dooming someone with his own hands.
Yeah, they knew they weren't gonna make it back home, but they killed the cattle so that they would at least die on a full stomach, not because they didn't wanna get sacrificed by Odysseus.
Zeus is also the god of law and order. To right the wrongs done to Helios by Odysseus' crew, Zeus was called to bring justice. And Zeus is cruel, so he gave Odysseus the illusion of choice. This musical is Epic
14:13 "My brothers. The rest of our fleet, they wait at the beach, and if we're defeated they're good as dead. Straight ahead! That is who we're fighting... OR No backup, no chance for support, so draw out your swords- our foe must be thwarted right here and now, show me how great is your will to Survive!
I find it amusing that e-man calls out ody for needing to take all the blame when it was his fault both times where the crew were killed with Poseidon and Zeus. (Wind bag and cow) both times they were on the cusp of reaching the shores of home.
KJ Burkhauser voices Scylla. She’s amazing. P.S. Luke Holt, the person that sings for Zeus, doesn’t have a really deep voice like Zeus, so hearing Luke actually talk and then hearing him dip to his Zeus voice is just- you’re not prepared for it.
11:45 Eurylochus literally would’ve done the same though, he already tried back in Circe’s island!😂 “Let’s cut our loses you and I and let’s run” remember? Odysseus gave up 6 men to make sure the rest made it through Scylla alive; 6 men to occupy her 6 heads while they got away. Still terrible, but kind of understandable, and it makes me feel like Eurylochus was being a little hypocritical😅
i mean it's understandable though cause odysseus went from wanting to save everybody to just not caring whoever dies in his way to get home. of course his crew wouldn't trust him anymore
★- Eurylochus is actually consistent in his mind set throughout the Sagas. Where Odysseus is calculating and follows his mind, Eurylochus is emotional and follows his heart. We also know that he is self serving and cowardly, and will run at the drop of a hat, relying on his captain to make decisions he wouldn't have made himself. So when Odysseus makes a decision that he too would have chosen, *which he doesn't deny in the song*, it confirms for him that his Captain sees the crew, and by extension him as expendable. Knowing this he starts a Mutiny out of self preservation, leaving the crew so broken that they are ready to knowingly kill themselves by slaughtering Helios' cattle just so they don't die on empty stomachs
circe and scylla are very different. in circe they had half of their crew still on the ship and eurylochus saw the transformed men as already dead cause he didn't think they could beat circe - which they couldn't before hermes intervened, if it was just odysseus vs circe he would've definitely lost. with scylla odysseus deliberately had six of his men (including eurylochus!) grab a torch to signal to her which ones to eat. i would say odysseus is way more directly responsible for these losses than any others so far. also yeah eurylochus is a hypocrite and a coward, characters need flaws to be good!
@@lellenny Sure picking out 6 men to die isn't very humane but, Odysseus quite literally did not have a choice but to sacrifice the 6 men as they had to go through Scylla's lair to avoid Poseidon and if Odysseus tried to fight Scylla the whole crew would've died, not just the 6.
Odysseus knew it was going to happen, which was why in Scylla he was quiet that day, he was dreading having to go in. And while it wasn't great, it was the lesser of two evils. Either 6 men were sacrificed to keep each of Scylla heads busy, or they try to hide in the dark, and have the whole ship be torn apart. Major problem was the crew had gone in completely blind not knowing what they would run into. On top of that Eurylochus was originally holding a torch. So a very near death experience probably isn't helping along with hunger. P.S. - Eurylochus would absolutely have done the same. He wanted to leave behind the men turned into pigs in Circe's island.
Do people not like Scylla (the song)? It’s not my favorite in the saga but that doesn’t really mean anything cause this saga is amazing and Scylla (the song) is amazing.
This saga just proves that Eurolychus is a bad person. He opened the wind bag when the crew was close to Ithaca and caused like 90% of their crew to die, and than he tells that information to Odysseus when they're in scylla's lair and she is literally breathing down their necks, than he has the guts to blame Odysseus for the death of six men (the irony) and then he dooms them by eating the sun God's cows, and he acts so self-righteous about the whole thing too!! He is selfish!!! He has been selfish and , the entire time. He betrayed Odysseus and he still wanted Odysseus to die for them after all the shit he put the man through, every man on that ship that betrayed Odysseus deserved to die. Odysseus might have been a bad person who made bad choices but when it really came to it he always made sure his crew was save even at the expense of his own life, so he didn't deserve this from those bastards. He only wanted to go home and they all wouldve made it home if it hadn't been for Eurolychus who didn't trust Odysseus enough and opened the damn wind bag
Go back to the first song when he talks to the sirens. To go through the lair of scylla has a cost. He had 6 torches lit because they were the cost, his men.
So Scylla has a female head and torso alongside six serpentine heads eating with three rows of shark like teeth her lower half is basically like cerberus but with twelve legs instead of four. She became this way because Circe was asked by her crush to make a love potion for Scylla, after confessing her feelings she got rejected and decided to curse Scylla.
Spoiler the next saga will be posiden and the new charater when ody saids i'm not your man is in the troy saga i'm just a man 3 tines so is about this enemy is brain washing Odysseus to betray his love for Penelope so i like the come backs like get in the water and other songs
zeus: -hiding away where only *I* can undress her~ winions (aka fans): with that voice you can also undress *me* god I'm so normal about zeus's voice 🤣😭💚⚡ I wish he was my wife 🤩🤌😍
@AgentI0I I know that's what Ostsseus says but he's assuming monster or something else. It's just basic Mythology no one "sends" Zeus anywhere. He may be petitioned to take action but no one commands or sends him anywhere lol.
@@AgentI0I He might've asked, but Zeus has all authority over the gods as the King of Olympus, so no one can really send him anywhere. He's the one that does the sending most of the time
Eurylochus open bag is his mistake but he not inten to hurt any one but Odysseus intentionally sacrificing 6 men to Scylla of course the crew choose to joine Eurylochus
@@dragonstouch1042 well Eurylochus think about other man that still alive they don't know they can chang those people back and he not wrong about that if Hermes not show up Odysseus is finish
@@kinggame40 what he not try to abandon anyone there he just tell Odysseus that they all should run cause he don't know Odysseus plan and there other Cyclopes
During Thunder Bringer when we hear the callback to Suffering I love to picture like a lone siren that escaped the slaughtering of her sisters and is tailing the boat, knowing one if not all is about to perish. At first I didn't think it could compete with my favorite, The Underworld Saga, but after listening to this Saga over 20 times I think we got some competition. At first the first three songs were tied for favorite but honestly they're all so good and hard to pick just one.
I like to think it's Zeus on his manipulative shenanigans again using a projection to show Odysseus what he truly wants on the inside. He's used Penelope's voice before (especially present in the new version of 'Horse and The Infant' so what would stop him from doing it again?
What I think is that Odysseus mistake was driven by grief while Eurylochus was driven by greed. What do you even do with a treasure in the middle of the ocean?
@@flaviomastrodomenico3800 they weren’t even going to take it from him. They just wanted to know what was inside. because if it had to be so important that their captain kept it from them, then they really needed to know all those years at sea probably didn’t do them any favors and increased their desperation tenfold
Zuze kills the rest of odyssey man and odyssey is the only one alive and now he is on cylipso iland and Athena has to convince all of the other gods to let him go but now we are at the man character which is tlemuges now we are on his story
Idk if I'm fucking crazy but that's what you fucking get?? He literally opened the bag. They would have been home?????? Fuck you eurylochus? They would have been home years ago if the bag stayed shut. He then tried to sacrifice everyone to circe to escape. Hell dude he shot the sheep of polyphemus dude. None of any of this shit would have happened if eurylochus died in the trojan war. Then he killed his entire crew or his captain with 0 care for repercussions when he killed the cow. HE GAVE UP AGAIN. LIKE COME ON DAWG. They guilt tripped odysseus into thinking he was the only person to blame and essentially told him to give up his ideals. So he became rutheless. Handing out the torches to the six sacrifices was for sure ruthless but they made him like that. and then he still got upset at odysseus like he didnt know what he would choose since they turned him into a ruthless monster. And back on the hypocrite train but LITERALLY A DAY AFTER GETTING MAD AND FIGHTING ODYSSEUS FOR SACRFICING MEN, HE THEN GOES ON TO SACRIFICE THE ENTIRE CREW SO HE COULD GET HIS PROTEIN IN. LIKE DUDEEEEEE. The point isn't odysseus did nothing wrong.the point is they really gaslight him into thinking he was the only person who did wrong.
Eurylochus didn’t want to leave everyone on Circe’s island, just the few men that came with him to Circe’s palace and got turned into pigs. He thought there was no way to bring them back and told Odysseus to “think about the men that you still have before there are none”. He’s always been the voice of the crew. The backing vocals when he says “And hunger is so heavy” shows that the rest of the crew agree with the decision. Many have said this before, but it’s like Eurylochus and their crew knew they weren’t gonna make it, so they decided to go out on their own terms, i.e on a full stomach
You know, while reading your comment, I'm reminded of a saying I heard in a video a couple of months ago. When we sympathize with a character, we find it easier to put the blame for their suffering on another person. But here's the facts of the situation. There's a difference between making mistakes that cost lives and consciously sending people to their deaths.
@@olivernielsen2211 did eurylochus not do the same this when he killed the cow? I'm not saying odysseus did the right thing I said he's a monster multiple times. But you can't act like nobody else did anything wrong.
@@fegreninja7197 I could say the same for odysseus dude. He didn't want to feed his whole crew to syllabus just the few who had torches. He thought there was no other way and where is eurys think about those men now? The backing vocals also just don't back him up when his talking about killing the cow. They're there when he's talking about how much longer do we suffer now. I'd wonder that too. But you can't get mad at odysseus killing 6 when eurylochus killed more
@@olivernielsen2211 right and it's right there in your comment. You're putting everything on odysseus and ignoring every stupid thing eurylochus has done, or even polites for that matter.
When you realise Tiresias's Prophecy most referred this specific saga:
1. I see a song of past romance - Sirens' Song
2. I see the sacrifice of men - Scylla
3. I see portrayals of betrayal - Eurylochus opening the Bag o' Winds AND Odysseus sacrificing people to Scylla
4. And the Brother's final stand - Mutiny / Thunder Bringer
Plus, I'm sure you already know but Mr. Jalapeno confirmed some of the spirit choir lyrics in "No Longer You" - Siren Song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt.
The first two likely have double meaning as Tiresias even said he saw past and future. So, it could've been Penelope and Ody and Polites/the baby
No but my stupid brain did not think about the first one I thought that was just about Penelope and Odysseus.
I feel like I need to send apologies to Hera for liking Thunder Bringer so much. 😅
Me: I hate Zeus. All of him.
Also me, putting Thunder Bringer on this morning: *doing those happy hands all the song, jumping until my feet hurt, and squealing "Eeeee!!!!!:D" the entire song*
Me
Me during the livestream:
It isn’t Zeus’ fault. It all falls to Eurylochus and Odysseus
@@DrakeDragonton I think it might be less so the killing the crew, and more so *his entire mythology*
@@FungalHarmony Oh then that’s entirely fair
To be fair, Eurylochus probably wasn't thinking right anymore because of how tired, hungry, and hopeless he is at that point
A lot of people like to hate on mistakes characters make in this but honestly, I think it's been pretty reasonable. Even Odysseus shouting to the cyclops when they left. lot's of people will say things they regret in a heated argument or snap at someone after having a bad day or just make bad choices in general. These men have been in a war for 10 years without being able to see or talk to their families, anxieties about things like if their wives remained faithful and still love them or if their children grew up well without their fathers chipping away at their mental state the whole time. Then you get entangled with monsters and polites, odysseus best friend and the one who kept things happy and cheerful, dies. Then athena shows up telling odysseus what to do after he already feels like a toy to the gods after the war and having to kill a baby because the gods would use said baby to start another one. It isn't surprising he got so fed up that he ended up snapping and doing something he shouldn't have. These men have been in a war for 10 years that none of them even wanted to be a part of in the first place, Odysseus included, have been struggling with ptsd, seeing their friends die, being hunted by a god, contantly facing starvation and they were so close to home before and are now so far away. Most people would probably go insane or just completely breakdown from just a fraction of what these men have been through.
Also it’s been about 12 years since they’ve all been home. They’re all exhausted and drained. And they’ve faced constant downsides.
He was thinking perfectly clearly. He'd rather a fast death than long drawn out suffering from starvation.
"Why did Zues make him choose?"
He is the God of Thunder AND Gaslighting
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@@_aWiseMan 🤣
1. Because he could
2. As a formality and for drama among mortals
3. He's the head of the gods with no one above him. Who's going to stop him?!
Six torches for the six heads of Scylla was craaaaazy
Gotta do what ya gotta do 🤷♂️
Also in the livestream with the animation, Eurylochus was one of the men holding the torches, he gave it to one of the men he saved being attack and tried to save the others. Then he realized that the heads were after those with torches and that he doomed the person he saved by giving it to him.
I mean, Eurylochus just admitted to being the one who opened the wind bag, so it makes sense he got a torch.
Eurylochus was actually supposed to be one of the men with one of the 6 torches but bro dropped it
Scylla ate and left no crumbs from those six men that were sacrificed
V I O L A T E D
6 men, 6 torches, 6 heads of Scyla, and 6 screams in the song
6:09 I know right? And its one of my fave female monsters, Scylla a woman from waist yo, but waist down, she has six dragon, snake head monsters to attack and feed.
Thus, the multiple voices.
Thunderbringer, and really this whole saga, gave me so many conflicting feelings... On the one hand, I was devastated by the ending; Eurylochus has been one of my favorite characters from the get go, and like you said, it was Odysseus who made that call. But also, Odysseus just learned that the wind bag being opened wasn't just one of his men- it was Eurylochus. _Eurylochus,_ his most trusted friend and brother, cost them both their fleet and their best chance to get home safely. Then _after_ learning this, he gets mutinied upon, and Eurylochus for the second time ignores his warnings, and once more, it costs the lives of their men. After all this, Odysseus gets blamed by Zeus, and given an ultimatum: His life and the chance to see his wife and kid again, or the lives of the man and crew that betrayed him multiple times?
And even despite that, you can hear the pain in his voice as he tells Eurylochus his decision. He didn't want it to end this way, and it wouldn't have if Eury hadn't killed the cattle. And that's _heartbreaking._
Well put
well, with cattle Eurylochus ignores Ody, but he knows what would happen. he just wants the quick death by gods, not starvation (all of the crew actually). cause they are convinced they're never gonna see home, and just so tired
We could say that it wouldn't have ended this way if Eury hadn't killed the cattle but Odysseus saying "I am not letting you get in my way" makes it clear he would not have had an issue sacrificing Eurylochus to the next monster, that is if he wouldn't have killed him right then and there had the rest of the crew not intervened.
Two fun facts:
1.) Eurylocus is Odysseus's Brother-In-Law in Homer's The Odyssey.
2.) Scylla is a colossal sea mosnter with six heads and an atractive female facade as a lure.
Not as a lure. She used to be a nymph until she was turned into a monster by Circe who was in love with a man who loved her. This wasn't written by Homer though, obviously.
@@Omphalite ??? I'm learning so many new things...
@@deadeye4047 in more traditional mythology, Scylla was born a beast, no facade. in some other poems, Circe was in love with a mortal, but he loved Scylla, and when he asked Circe to make Scylla the nymph fall in love with him, Circe turned the sea nymph into a horrendous monster with six heads. Scylla fled from the underwater court and lounged herself onto a giant rock. On the other side was Charybdis, a sea monster that sucked in ships. When ships tried to avoid Charybdis, they scooted to Scylla. If they were fast, Scylla would take six men, and if they were slow, each head would eat two men. That's why in the Odyssey, I think it's Circe who warns Odysseus of Scylla
3:22 Eurylochus admits hes the one who opened the wind bag that which caused them to delay on getting home.
I've watched a few reactions that are out, AND SO MANY PEOPLE MISSED IT 😂
To clarify the end, during the livestream visualizer that jorge made (which is all confirmed cannon), the animatics did show ody sinking into the ocean with the other crew members bodies floating lifelessly around him. So its safe to say he is already on his own going into the next saga.
Side note I absolutely loved the reaction videos, definitely my favorite of all the epic creators and the caption editing style is amazing, love your humor and comments. Cant wait for whatever you do in the (hopefully not so far) future!
Yea probably especially since next saga should land him on calypso's island
@@sofityagi8392 Well after the Thunder saga we switch the Telemachus' POV, but yeah Odysseus does end up on Calypso's island.
He pointed to the crew, choosing to end the crew…
When you're facing a giant six-headed monster, you've got the choice between running or trying for the slim chance to defeat it. Odysseus figured rather than gambling most of everyone on that slim chance, using 6 men as bait while the rest escaped was a better choice. A ruthless one, to be sure - but what else to expect of the monster.
Actually in the musical its possible to make it through Scyllas cave safely if you give her tribute of six men. That's what Odysseus did, which is why he told Eurychleas to light six torches
@@themindgayer5367 That's what the 'running' option entails, as I detailed.
He sacrificed six men to save the crew because, there were no options left. Sacrifice six men or challenge a creature that even Poseidon feared. In that moment it was the better choice. Sadly.
Mutiny + Thunderbringer have become my favorite part of Epic so far, and Eurylochus remains my favorite character. Just feel bad for everyone atp, and the dynamic between Eury and Ody is so good. The fact that he still called Ody a friend after the fight (and after Ody made him mark 6 friends for death) is tragic, that ending was the most depressing part of the musical by far
I can't really feel bad for Eurylochus seeing as they would've already been in Ithaca if he didn't open the windbag, plus, he was ready to leave everybody behind at Circe's Island, and then despite Odysseus begging him not to, he killed the cattle and doomed everybody.
@@minimini-_-Poseidon was coming to kill Ody anyway because he stupidly doxxed himself, Eury opening the bag just made it happen sooner. He probably would have stopped them at the sea anyway, or at worst he would flood Ithaca. He was guilty over it and just let the Winions’ whispers get to him. In Puppeteer he wanted to save the lives they had before there were none, and he was technically right since Ody would have died if Hermes didn’t come out of nowhere afterwards. And he had given up hope of returning when he ate the cows, he just didn’t want to die of starvation (hunger makes ppl do crazy things). The fact that they spared Ody and still called him his friend shows it wasn’t out of resentment. They were all just too worn down
@@Phasmania Odysseus was very stupid when he revealed his name but, part of his crew and his best friend just died, and he was holding on to Polities open arms ideology, which isn't enough to make his actions reasonable but you could say he did it cause he was distressed like some if Eurylochus' actions. I'm not gonna say say Odysseus is a good guy, but what I will say is that Eurylochus wasn't that much better. Every character has their flaws and both Odysseus and Eurylochus definitely have a lot of flaws. In my opinion, though, I prefer Odysseus just because I can't stand Eurylochus after the Thunder saga, but hey, that's just my opinion you like whoever you wanna like.
@@minimini-_- Fair enough, to each their own. I just feel like the fact that Ody made Eury hand out torches to mark 6 friends to die when he was already guilty over the bag is borderline malicious. Keep in mind it’s not like he said to pass them out, he could have been a Scylla snack too (tho maybe we’re missing some context). Eury sparing Ody and still clearly caring about him after their fight makes me like him even more
@@PhasmaniaOdysseus was definitely ready to sacrifice Eurylochus after he revealed he opened the windbag, if you saw the live steam animation Eurylochus originally had a torch but it fell out of his hands. Another thing about the livestream animatics is that after Odysseus chooses to save himself the crew including Eurylochus lunged at him trying to kill him.
I don't believe Jorge has officially confirmed the animatics to be 100% true, but if he commissioned the animaters himself for this I would assume that that they were true to the story, but who knows.
Scylla’s VA is KJ Burkhauser
I want to eat KJ's voice.
And mutiny is what Tiresias was talking about when he said, “I see portrayals of betrayals and a brother’s final stand,” (I think) which would be another connection to a different saga
Exactly, and Jorge confirmed that the 4 first of the final chorus of "no longer you" say "siren's song, scylla throat, mutiny, lightning bolt"
@@garabatosxd yes! So those are just more connections between the Underworld Saga and the Thunder Saga!
13:58 It’s absolutely a call back to The Horse and The Infant but also a call back to Survive “My brothers, the rest of the fleet they wait at the beach”
While not as in immediate danger like survive. They are starving and hurt. They are trying to *survive* by any means necessary
Thank you for the video! I definitely think that “Scylla@ is my favourite song of the saga, but “Thunder Bringer” and “Different Beast” come really close behind
Same!
Also i love how when eurlychous? (forgot how to write his name) is talking about hunger and the cows the lines go same way as zeus' section from horse and infant as if foreshadowing what's to come
When he sings "all these cows to hunt right infront" it also has a similar melody to to the beginning of survive and then the end of mutiny is essentially history repeating itself
@@zexalplays628 oh you're right! I didn't notice that😭
It’s spelled Eurylochus
A detail I don't see mentioned enough is that the whole thing with Scylla is that they have to go through a very narrow channel of water, in which there were two monsters: Charybdis and Scylla. Charybdis it's literally a ship-eating monster who can suction boats whole. It wasn't that Odysseus sacrificed six men just because, the matter was that everyone would die eaten by an underwater monster or six die as a sacrifice and everyone else goes home.
And if the problem is "Why not kill Scylla?", well the answer is easy, if you stay and fight instead of going away full speed ahead you're giving her enough time to eat those six men and attack more. Odysseus saw his options and did what he thought best to get home.
What I do think that is my head-canon is that Odysseus was doubtful of what he was gonna do until Eurylochus said what he said, then Odysseus went "Well, I guess I wasn't in the wrong for this" and told him about the torches. I also think the other five might have been involved with the windbag and were targeted.
Let me know if you guys would be interested in reactions to some animatics once they’re released for this saga 😊
Also I can believe I missed Eurylochus saying he opened the wind bag in Scylla 🤦♀️. How did I miss such important information.
I also cant belive how did you miss that lol ?
what do you think it said ?
yess please do those reactions
you were too stunned by the beautiful vocals of Syclla and Eurylochus, happens to the best of us
Oh sh*t @BlazeIsEpic you made the instrumetals right?
@@gamerhalim2486 yeah i did fancy seeing you here lol
I read something about the reason why Odysseus sacrificed six men. Apparently because Scylla has six heads that is why he lit six torches, otherwise she would have destroyed the whole ship and everyone on it so Odysseus picked the lesser of two evils. And im pretty sure he wanted Eurylochus to die along with the other five men because of the secret about opening the bag, that's why he told him specifically to light the six torches.
I've been such a hater of Zeus (like the character) but dammit I CANNOT STOP listening to Thunder Bringer and jamming out to the instrumentals and amazing vocals of Luke "Thunder" Holt.
The way they would have made it home already if Eurylochus just stayed curious and didn't open the bag 😭 Cause what would he have done with a bag of treasure in the middle of the ocean???
In one of the versions of odyssey Poseidon turned into stone to crush the ship of the guy who helped Odysseus get home just because he knew he cant kill Odysseus (prophecy about him getting home safe) and kinda help to drown 11 of 12 ships when they fight giants so he was capable killing them even without storm, lol
Eurylochus just made it easy
And it wasn't because of treasure - after polites death, odysseus shut him down two times and running low on food (they didn't have chance to get them in cave, which was the reason why they was there in first place) AND gods minions tempting whispers he did not trust Odysseus as much as before
@@user-ne8xx4ls2q But in the Odyssey, Ithaca was literally in sight of the ship and they were almost docked, why couldn’t he just wait until they actually docked to take the bag and open it?
Also idk about you but if a literal raging storm suddenly stops and the captain of my ship who was literally JUST talking to the god of winds says that the bag that he was given was holding the storm, I would believe him because the clues add up.
And even if the bag WAS containing treasure I would just think that the treasure it was holding was what stopped the storm.
So if Eurylochus didn’t open the bag, I’m pretty sure a lot more men would’ve survived and they would’ve reunited with their families and then they’d have to deal with Poseidon another day. And maybe, hypothetically, Poseidon would’ve flooded Ithaca, but at least they would’ve been able to reunite with their families in the end with a lot less deaths.
I AM SO GLAD I WASNT THE ONLY ONE KICKING MY FEET DURING THUNDER BRINGER😫
In the live stream, Ody points to the crew as Zeus goes into the last part and he shots them down
Not so fun fact: in mutiny eurylicus knew they wouldn't make it home bc if the gods and monsters didn't kill them Odysseus would sacrifice them, they oofed the cows to die on their own whims, maybe even not hungry, but their lives still ended because of odysseuss's choice... Meaning their own death was out of their control PLUS THEY GOT OOFED BY LIGHTNING
Additional not so funfact, eurylochus was one of the men holding the torches in the animation of the livestream. He pass it to someone else to save the others then realized they were after the ones holding torches basically dooming someone with his own hands.
@@cbctebasrajeb81 oof major oof
Yeah, they knew they weren't gonna make it back home, but they killed the cattle so that they would at least die on a full stomach, not because they didn't wanna get sacrificed by Odysseus.
@@minimini-_- tbh if I'm dying I ain't dying hungry
Well that’s sad ! Also the spelling is eurylochus 😊
“The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose. All you can choose is whose.”
I’m in love with Penelope’s voice after hearing the challenge, so Suffering immediately became pretty high on my list
SAME she’s definitely one of my fav characters! She’s top 3 for me (Athena being the first)
“We all know I’m a sucker for suffering” yeah I think we all are when we listen to EPIC honestly 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Zeus is also the god of law and order. To right the wrongs done to Helios by Odysseus' crew, Zeus was called to bring justice. And Zeus is cruel, so he gave Odysseus the illusion of choice. This musical is Epic
14:13 "My brothers. The rest of our fleet, they wait at the beach, and if we're defeated they're good as dead. Straight ahead! That is who we're fighting...
OR
No backup, no chance for support, so draw out your swords- our foe must be thwarted right here and now, show me how great is your will to Survive!
I find it amusing that e-man calls out ody for needing to take all the blame when it was his fault both times where the crew were killed with Poseidon and Zeus. (Wind bag and cow) both times they were on the cusp of reaching the shores of home.
KJ Burkhauser voices Scylla.
She’s amazing.
P.S. Luke Holt, the person that sings for Zeus, doesn’t have a really deep voice like Zeus, so hearing Luke actually talk and then hearing him dip to his Zeus voice is just- you’re not prepared for it.
People are gonna be mad at Eurylochous but have you ever starved before? You’ll do ANYTHING to eat. Plus it seemed like he already gave up
"Contemplating if I can take any more emotional damage" here comes the critical hit.
Horse and the infant and terisias was telling us about this moment
11:45 Eurylochus literally would’ve done the same though, he already tried back in Circe’s island!😂 “Let’s cut our loses you and I and let’s run” remember? Odysseus gave up 6 men to make sure the rest made it through Scylla alive; 6 men to occupy her 6 heads while they got away. Still terrible, but kind of understandable, and it makes me feel like Eurylochus was being a little hypocritical😅
i mean it's understandable though cause odysseus went from wanting to save everybody to just not caring whoever dies in his way to get home. of course his crew wouldn't trust him anymore
★- Eurylochus is actually consistent in his mind set throughout the Sagas. Where Odysseus is calculating and follows his mind, Eurylochus is emotional and follows his heart. We also know that he is self serving and cowardly, and will run at the drop of a hat, relying on his captain to make decisions he wouldn't have made himself. So when Odysseus makes a decision that he too would have chosen, *which he doesn't deny in the song*, it confirms for him that his Captain sees the crew, and by extension him as expendable. Knowing this he starts a Mutiny out of self preservation, leaving the crew so broken that they are ready to knowingly kill themselves by slaughtering Helios' cattle just so they don't die on empty stomachs
@@atlasm6367 I mean, Odysseus kinda had to sacrifice 6 men.
circe and scylla are very different. in circe they had half of their crew still on the ship and eurylochus saw the transformed men as already dead cause he didn't think they could beat circe - which they couldn't before hermes intervened, if it was just odysseus vs circe he would've definitely lost. with scylla odysseus deliberately had six of his men (including eurylochus!) grab a torch to signal to her which ones to eat. i would say odysseus is way more directly responsible for these losses than any others so far.
also yeah eurylochus is a hypocrite and a coward, characters need flaws to be good!
@@lellenny Sure picking out 6 men to die isn't very humane but, Odysseus quite literally did not have a choice but to sacrifice the 6 men as they had to go through Scylla's lair to avoid Poseidon and if Odysseus tried to fight Scylla the whole crew would've died, not just the 6.
Odysseus knew it was going to happen, which was why in Scylla he was quiet that day, he was dreading having to go in.
And while it wasn't great, it was the lesser of two evils. Either 6 men were sacrificed to keep each of Scylla heads busy, or they try to hide in the dark, and have the whole ship be torn apart. Major problem was the crew had gone in completely blind not knowing what they would run into. On top of that Eurylochus was originally holding a torch. So a very near death experience probably isn't helping along with hunger.
P.S. - Eurylochus would absolutely have done the same. He wanted to leave behind the men turned into pigs in Circe's island.
Wonderful reaction to an incredible musical feat, thanks for sharing!
Is it wrong for me to actually like SCYLLA(the song)? 🤔
Honestly it’s my favorite, followed by thunder bringer, followed by ruthlessness lol
Do people not like Scylla (the song)? It’s not my favorite in the saga but that doesn’t really mean anything cause this saga is amazing and Scylla (the song) is amazing.
Even if others find it disturbing? 😢
This saga might be the last with 'full speed ahead' since that was a crew thing.
"im a sucker for call backs and harmonies" 4 and a half minutes in and i know you have no idea how much you'll be a sucker for whats to come.
KJ Burkhauser is the singer of Scylla.
You have no idea how hurt I was after this saga, like how are we supposed to move on from this??? 😭😭😭
This saga just proves that Eurolychus is a bad person. He opened the wind bag when the crew was close to Ithaca and caused like 90% of their crew to die, and than he tells that information to Odysseus when they're in scylla's lair and she is literally breathing down their necks, than he has the guts to blame Odysseus for the death of six men (the irony) and then he dooms them by eating the sun God's cows, and he acts so self-righteous about the whole thing too!! He is selfish!!! He has been selfish and , the entire time. He betrayed Odysseus and he still wanted Odysseus to die for them after all the shit he put the man through, every man on that ship that betrayed Odysseus deserved to die. Odysseus might have been a bad person who made bad choices but when it really came to it he always made sure his crew was save even at the expense of his own life, so he didn't deserve this from those bastards. He only wanted to go home and they all wouldve made it home if it hadn't been for Eurolychus who didn't trust Odysseus enough and opened the damn wind bag
Great video!
amazing reactions!❤
Did you know that the call back to Zeus prophecy is also survive’s main melody as they fight Polyphemus
Loved the video!
im so saaaad, the songs are amazing, i loved so much scylla
Go back to the first song when he talks to the sirens. To go through the lair of scylla has a cost. He had 6 torches lit because they were the cost, his men.
You should check the livestream, it has a bunch of animatics that help understand what's happening
Epic: the Bi Panic Saga (all of the sagas)
Scylla was once a very beautiful woman so she must have had a angelic voice
So Scylla has a female head and torso alongside six serpentine heads eating with three rows of shark like teeth her lower half is basically like cerberus but with twelve legs instead of four. She became this way because Circe was asked by her crush to make a love potion for Scylla, after confessing her feelings she got rejected and decided to curse Scylla.
Have you watched the livestream?! You HAVE to see the animatics in there
Let's go
21:24 The women watching the video is about to end up like every woman in Greek Mythology
Watching the official live stream… ZEUS IS SO HOT I CANT- the way they animated him my god.. I can understand why he had willing lovers
In the live stream scylla and thunder bringer are way more clear
Cheer up bestie his sons song is next :D
5:04 that's Daddy Yankee song "salgo pa la calle" 😂😂😂😂😂
Zeus cadualy makeing lemonade and speeleing it all on odesseus woonds
Eurylochus gets his as beat but Odysseus cause of the crew
Spoiler the next saga will be posiden and the new charater when ody saids i'm not your man is in the troy saga i'm just a man 3 tines so is about this enemy is brain washing Odysseus to betray his love for Penelope so i like the come backs like get in the water and other songs
zeus: -hiding away where only *I* can undress her~
winions (aka fans): with that voice you can also undress *me*
god I'm so normal about zeus's voice 🤣😭💚⚡ I wish he was my wife 🤩🤌😍
I only saw Todoroki and Hawks WERE THE FUCK IS DEKU
1 minor correction. No one sends Zeus
Wym Odysseus says “now that we’ve killed his [helios’s] cattle who do you think he’ll send?”
@AgentI0I I know that's what Ostsseus says but he's assuming monster or something else. It's just basic Mythology no one "sends" Zeus anywhere. He may be petitioned to take action but no one commands or sends him anywhere lol.
@@yeateryeater1871 Except Helios who sent Zeus to punish the crew.
@@AgentI0I He might've asked, but Zeus has all authority over the gods as the King of Olympus, so no one can really send him anywhere. He's the one that does the sending most of the time
@@baddicusauraelius1728 yea so he sent Zeus. If you ask someone to go do something then they do it, you sent them.
Eurylochus open bag is his mistake but he not inten to hurt any one but Odysseus intentionally sacrificing 6 men to Scylla of course the crew choose to joine Eurylochus
And wanting to ditch the men turned into pigs by Circe?
@@dragonstouch1042 well Eurylochus think about other man that still alive they don't know they can chang those people back and he not wrong about that if Hermes not show up Odysseus is finish
@@supattreewatanawong5025and him wanting to abandon the rest of his men and run from the Cyclopes?
@@kinggame40 what he not try to abandon any one in Cyclopes cave he tell Odysseus they all should run cause he don't know there other Cyclopes
@@kinggame40 what he not try to abandon anyone there he just tell Odysseus that they all should run cause he don't know Odysseus plan and there other Cyclopes
Listen. I didn't want to like Zeus. But yeah. That voice has me willing to risk the wrath of Hera
During Thunder Bringer when we hear the callback to Suffering I love to picture like a lone siren that escaped the slaughtering of her sisters and is tailing the boat, knowing one if not all is about to perish.
At first I didn't think it could compete with my favorite, The Underworld Saga, but after listening to this Saga over 20 times I think we got some competition. At first the first three songs were tied for favorite but honestly they're all so good and hard to pick just one.
I like to think it's Zeus on his manipulative shenanigans again using a projection to show Odysseus what he truly wants on the inside. He's used Penelope's voice before (especially present in the new version of 'Horse and The Infant' so what would stop him from doing it again?
zeus is that toxic guy the girl falls for
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FOR REAL
“Thunder Saga” more like the Suffering Saga. 😢
Please react to some Epic animatics!!
: )
i mean if Eurylochus hadn't of opened the bag they wouldn't have been in this situation in the first place.
If Odysseus finished off the cyclops, they wouldn’t have the god of tides pissed at them and would’ve ended up home safely fleet in tow
Both are at fault but i say that euryochus really missed upmhere a little more. @sinfuladam
@@jp3711nc1 fair
What I think is that Odysseus mistake was driven by grief while Eurylochus was driven by greed. What do you even do with a treasure in the middle of the ocean?
@@flaviomastrodomenico3800 they weren’t even going to take it from him. They just wanted to know what was inside. because if it had to be so important that their captain kept it from them, then they really needed to know all those years at sea probably didn’t do them any favors and increased their desperation tenfold
Zuze kills the rest of odyssey man and odyssey is the only one alive and now he is on cylipso iland and Athena has to convince all of the other gods to let him go but now we are at the man character which is tlemuges now we are on his story
Idk if I'm fucking crazy but that's what you fucking get?? He literally opened the bag. They would have been home?????? Fuck you eurylochus? They would have been home years ago if the bag stayed shut. He then tried to sacrifice everyone to circe to escape. Hell dude he shot the sheep of polyphemus dude. None of any of this shit would have happened if eurylochus died in the trojan war. Then he killed his entire crew or his captain with 0 care for repercussions when he killed the cow. HE GAVE UP AGAIN. LIKE COME ON DAWG. They guilt tripped odysseus into thinking he was the only person to blame and essentially told him to give up his ideals. So he became rutheless. Handing out the torches to the six sacrifices was for sure ruthless but they made him like that. and then he still got upset at odysseus like he didnt know what he would choose since they turned him into a ruthless monster. And back on the hypocrite train but LITERALLY A DAY AFTER GETTING MAD AND FIGHTING ODYSSEUS FOR SACRFICING MEN, HE THEN GOES ON TO SACRIFICE THE ENTIRE CREW SO HE COULD GET HIS PROTEIN IN. LIKE DUDEEEEEE. The point isn't odysseus did nothing wrong.the point is they really gaslight him into thinking he was the only person who did wrong.
Eurylochus didn’t want to leave everyone on Circe’s island, just the few men that came with him to Circe’s palace and got turned into pigs. He thought there was no way to bring them back and told Odysseus to “think about the men that you still have before there are none”. He’s always been the voice of the crew. The backing vocals when he says “And hunger is so heavy” shows that the rest of the crew agree with the decision. Many have said this before, but it’s like Eurylochus and their crew knew they weren’t gonna make it, so they decided to go out on their own terms, i.e on a full stomach
You know, while reading your comment, I'm reminded of a saying I heard in a video a couple of months ago. When we sympathize with a character, we find it easier to put the blame for their suffering on another person.
But here's the facts of the situation.
There's a difference between making mistakes that cost lives and consciously sending people to their deaths.
@@olivernielsen2211 did eurylochus not do the same this when he killed the cow? I'm not saying odysseus did the right thing I said he's a monster multiple times. But you can't act like nobody else did anything wrong.
@@fegreninja7197 I could say the same for odysseus dude. He didn't want to feed his whole crew to syllabus just the few who had torches. He thought there was no other way and where is eurys think about those men now? The backing vocals also just don't back him up when his talking about killing the cow. They're there when he's talking about how much longer do we suffer now. I'd wonder that too. But you can't get mad at odysseus killing 6 when eurylochus killed more
@@olivernielsen2211 right and it's right there in your comment. You're putting everything on odysseus and ignoring every stupid thing eurylochus has done, or even polites for that matter.