Every Unit That Gets Weaker After Transforming in DBZ Dokkan Battle
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- In today's video we are gonna be looking at every unit that gets weaker after transforming.
These units range from just being more valuable in their previous state to their transformation just being awful.
Some transformations lose some of their best mechanics while others are gated by horrible conditions, which their base form never had.
Comment down below and units I potentially missed or who you disagree with! - Ігри
Must be Opposite Day for these units
I’d like to think of it more as: whoever designed “most” of these units
Were high on dragon balls
Still: you’re not wrong though
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These should’ve been the April fools units 😭
I hate how they did my boy trunks 😔
Based
I swear whoever designed agl trunks and teq janemba must’ve been drunk or something
The others either get something to work with
like friezas 50% dr and gohans 1 turn 100% evasion
Or they are at least somewhat accurate to the anime (phy godku)
But man trunks and janemba is just 😳
Fr, there is 0 reason to transform Janemba or Trunks. You just hurt yourself for no reason at that point
Teq janemba eza is close with the LR TEQ Gogeta one, maybe they will fix him
@@luckytia9076 let’s hope bro
@@luckytia9076 let’s hope so
@@luckytia9076 let's hope so bro
Honestly no matter how bad their transformations are I still would transform just for the cool animations >=3
That’s fair lol
Understandable
phy ssj god goku in 1 sentence: of all attacks, the only one you dont dodge was the special attack
*takes 1 million damage*
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too real☠️
having a unit's passive relies on enemy debuff has to be the laziest idea for a unique unit on a game which most bosses are immune to debuffs or else players can cheese the entire fight
Fr lol
am i the only one that thinks its wild that he said gohan and piccolo's dr is better than standalone gohan's dodge?
It depends tbh, but he is dodge or die as base Gohan. 40% DR puts you in a better position for consistency
@@legendaryred24 yea but i feel like w 9th anni fights, their def isnt high enough to where 40% dr is enough
@@josephthomasjr14 sure that’s true to an extent but you are gonna take less damage doing that then getting hit 50% of the time with 0 defense to help you
Yeah absolutely, 40% DR with those stats is pretty meaningless going forward to year 9, I’d take a 50% chance to live a super over a 0% chance. It’ll do for fused Zamasu sure, but even there the AOEs screw them over royally since they don’t get their SA stats.
Also they can lose the dr mid turn, meaning that if your slot 1 gets slapped they DIE and revive to the better form
Lets not forget to mention that some off this units stacks ATK and DEF with super attack and do mote additional super attacks when not transformed, so use as much of this stacks as you can, since using this units is comfortable defensively, and when it comes to deal the final blow you will have more than enough stacks to finish it
Sure that’s a fair case but it is still something you don’t really wanna use on most units until it is the very end of the fight
Nah, Golden Frieza shouldn’t be mentioned at all. He came out during SBR/ESBR and was actively the best unit for SBR debuff + stun.
Also, you’d be risking less defense and less attack for a chance to debuff the enemy while also taking more dmg. 30% dodge isn’t all that much to brag about so he DEFINITELY gets a major boost after transforming.
Well one we aren’t referring to the meta the came out in, but even if we were this point still does not stand.
He debuffed enemies by 30% for ATK & DEF and he still stunned and had dodge. He was just so much better than Golden Frieza in SBR as well
@@legendaryred24nah golden frieza has a multiplicative defensive buff of +80% so hes wayyy better defensively than his base + 30% to dodge and debuffs are insignificant so ill get the dr when low hp (because you will be if the guy is on the team lmao)
@@dennoplit3728 The multiplicative apply to both so the defense disparity really is not too much different when one is dodging and taking 30% less damage and the other is taking everything raw. Plus debuffs are extremely broken because it helps the whole team survive not just Frieza
@@legendaryred24 base frieza doesnt have multiplicative buff on super and in golden form is higher. Debuffs are pretty useless in the events hes viable in so hes not better in base
@@dennoplit3728 I mention this in video already, he’s not carried by his debuffs and who cares if he has a slightly higher defensive stat, final form Frieza has dodge the entire time while Golden Frieza has to eat every hit. And if you wanna talk about bosses not being debuffed then we are talking about red zone and etc. so tell me you transforming straight to Golden Frieza to be one shot or have the 30% dodge with final form Frieza?
6:53 Obviously it's a finisher as you mentionned, he's the only pre 9th anniversary card that can hits 100m even after 20 turns of stack.
At least Angel Frieza does stack Def in base, so if you're below 50% and then transform, the stacked Def with DR can do some work. I'm really banking on his EZA being good
For sure, but again that is the only reason ever that you would transform him is if you are under 50% HP for the DR. Yeah hopefully they cook
Man I was actually thinking about Phy Godku earlier today but they cooked hard with his animations on SSJ, also three almost guaranteed Supers are really tempting
Fr, but he literally has 0 defensive mechanics after supering 😭
His super is literally a reused animation
Angel Golden freizas active skill condition is the best in the game. It’s literally just “do it anytime you want” meaning turn 1 you can pop it if you really want
lol yeah him and supreme Kai’s are so nice. But it exists that way bc Golden Frieza is such a situational transformation because you really only do it if you are under 50% HP.
PHY Godku's Active is supposed to be like a finisher kind of Active, where after you stack the shit out of him you pop the Active for juicy dmg
Right, but if you don’t kill the enemy and you have to use SSJ Goku… gg
If trunks gets an eza soon he could be insanely good for this current meta or bosses who can be debuffed later into the fight
A thing of note, a lot of these units were made before the giant meta shift from offense into huge defense, not every unit on here but a lot of them are. I do believe Dokkan knows this by now and I pray they correct these issues when some of the units get eventual EZAs :)
@@sersquishiez fr
One defense for golden frieza is that his attack used to be a lot better in golden than in base although with power creep it’s not noticeable or impactful and won’t be until his EZA (but rn his base is better so your right)
That is fair
Was he like the first charcter to get massively raise stats?
@@AH-vm8yo not sure
Lr phy Goku and piccolo need to be on here. Back in the day their base was extremely defensive, one of the best defensive units in the game and you traded it all for some slightly above average attack.
That is true they definitely deserve a nod
I mean, there is a lot of bosses that can be debuff now, so i guess trunks is actually not bad now(?)
Not really because one of his conditions is having to have the enemy be sealed which just does not happen in any boss fight. The ATK or DEF down one you could proc but again it depends on the boss and even then he still can’t even get his whole passive
Not to mention he has completely aged out, rendering him useless
Oh right. That. Well another trunks for the récord I guess
@@juanestebanmacias471 lol
I didn't even knew the agl Trunks had a KO screen 💀
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The Gohan and Piccolo one is wrong in my opinion. Since they released in the short fight meta, once gohan showed up the fight was basically over
We are not talking about them on release tho, we are talking about today, right now.
@@legendaryred24 yeah gohan is a glass cannon
Especially when they lose defensive stacking I hate it
The units that have their transformation be a finisher are not great but are still acceptable.
Then you have AGL Trunks and especially TEQ Janemba. The former is still somewhat useful if you can get the debuffs. The latter is completely useless. In no situation is he better than his base.
Also, INT UI pre-eza should be an honorable mention. Some time after his release him transforming would be an actual curse. If he got hit, it was over. Even normals destroyed him.
lol fr, Trunks is so awful. Same with Janemba
I love Godku's transformation and Frieza's, although It's almost mandatory for me to see them transform epically
For the animations I don’t blame you lol
Phy godku is the only unit on this list i would let slide cause u kinda only use his active as a finisher.
true
Oh ok so does he just end up doing less damage after
@@joshwah1120 he’s just pure damage in SSJ. He has 0 defensive abilities
I mean, I built mine completely evasive and nothing touches him soo 😭
@@Hyperspine06 yeah I mean if you dodge he’ll live if not he’s cooked
Hopefully their ezas will fix that
You could make a sequel saying ideas of how to fix them or what to add to them to make the usuable
Potentially something to discuss
Also could you make a video like Units that would only need exclusive stat skill orbs to be usseful again? like vegeta and trunks, they have guard and like if they had i dont know more defense on an op skill orb that could only equip to them then maybe the could keep surviving the meta
@@ramirogomezbazan4504 maybe, again it is hard bc there are lots of ideas to dive into but again it has to be an appealing topic per se. Not saying this one couldn’t be if worded right, but it would have to be something I look into
units that just need better stats? or units that have enough potential? idk how to do a good title lmao
@@ramirogomezbazan4504 I think I’m looking at something along the lines of “These Units Could Be Relevant again”
Agl trunks animations are so good tho 😢
Bro became the new dbzmoe and im all for it
I mean to be fair agl trunks will do really well in this meta once eza'd
Oh for sure
Why is golben frizzy here bro is crasy good especially after transforming
Not really… what in his transformed state is better? He gets better stats and that is it, final form Frieza has dodge which is a good defensive mechanic. Golden Frieza has 50% DR only when you are under 50% HP… that is a very rare oddity to be under 50% HP. If his DR was unconditional then I would agree
I personally really like ssj goku from god but thats just me I am a little biased but I've won so many hard fights with ssj instead of god
Yeah I mean him winning for you can definitely skew the imagine a bit
@legendaryred24 I've seen people say he sucks is ssj but to me he's actully really good is ssj then again I have him on a really good team
@@LegoSsj4Goku he just isn’t very stronger defensively. Especially in 9th anni content. He’s so much stronger in SSG
@legendaryred24 no I understand that it's just I actully really enjoy using ssj instead of god
I hope someday they make new God Goku from BoG with a revive and they take the animation from Goku base form turn to SSG to destroy Beerus Supernova (I don't know the true name of his attack)
That would be very cool
@@legendaryred24 yeah, we still didn't have that one
I think Nano explained PHY Golden Frieza as "run Final Form for a defensive playstyle, go golden for an offensive playstyle"
Best way to put it honestly
@legendaryred24 See, that's how I saw it. I run him on my wicked bloodline team. For events where I know LR Cooler and LR Golden Frieza are making up for damage numbers, I keep him base form. For events where those few extra numbers can spell the difference between winning and a game over, I run Gold and hope Cooler and the other Friezas can tank. It all depends on situation, I guess
Plus, I don't think anybody's gotta worry about Janemba's transformation nerfing him because that Janemba sucks
@@javodey for sure, I mean the day in age we are in rn he is gonna be more defensive reliant the offense bc of the crazy bosses
@@javodey Well I mean even when he EZA’s he’s probably gonna be the same way unless they go absolutely nuts on Super Janemba. Base Janemba still has guard and DR and Super has neither
If you posted more my day would be so much better...
Appreciate it? I think?
The De-Transformation Units List
So teq trunks have the same potential of inf stacking like Teq Gohan?
Yep! I didn’t even realize that lol
trunks getting done dirty in dokkan and in dbz/s
2:21 I don’t agree with this because 7/10 you will be in the 45-70% HP range for most of the fights in the game and if you fall below that threshold you lose that DR mid action and you’re done making this probably top 3 or 4 worst ability to have
In what fights of the game are you ranging from 45-70% HP? People have issues popping Super Vegito’s active but now everyone can magically get under 70% HP
@@legendaryred24 I’ll flip that question then in what fights are you magically gonna stay WELL and COMFORTABLY above 70%? If you’re not a top 10-15 unit you’re taking damage. Units are not tanking double digits like that anymore you’re going to get caught and his DR is going to leave you like my dad
@@macdaddysauce5785 Pretty much every fight lol. You don’t need a top 10-15 unit to stay above that long but the only way you getting under it is you are running units outside the meta plain and simply. And I’m not the only having that issue. Everyone talks about how bad Super Vegito’s transformation is, meaning they also cannot get below 70% HP
@@legendaryred24 yea that’s not happening. 80% of the units in game are not meta lol. There’s decent-great options but even those units are most of the time not heavy tanking a 1.5 to 3 million super comfortably you can most of the time survive the super though. I’m always going to see super vegito and that’s not even debatable so it’s more dependent on how your team is and how much dupes you got. You cannot control where the boss will super and if he supers and debuff or stun/seal the wrong unit like Gohan and piccolo with his bad design and it will happen then you’re done or best case in a tough spot.
UI can get caught and get sniped or take heavy damage, EvoGeta can too if he’s not guaranteed guarding, supered first or hit enough times to build DR before getting supered, etc
I thought Phy goku/piccolo would’ve def been on here
@@thebarrelv232 they definitely should’ve been lol
@@legendaryred24 most forgettable unit ever 😂
@@thebarrelv232 it was such a cool concept too😭
1000 stones for the 9th anniversary
Niceeeeee! Still have a whole month too, you can easily get over 1500
@@legendaryred24 okey
I got 5k and hoping I can save like 2.5k for the rest of the year
@@RonRohnson-xd1cm niceeeee
@@RonRohnson-xd1cm wow
it’s evolving..
just backwards
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I'm confused with the godku stats sentence 150 + 50 + 50 = 250. 159 + 100 = 259 so wouldn't super saiyan have barely higher stats? I know he's worse cause of the lost mechanics lol I'm just talking about those stats
No because it is multiplicative. So it is 150*50*50 versus 159*100
@legendaryred24 ok I see sorry new to the game didn't know how they stacked stuff
I think frieza shouldnt be here, yes he is arguably just worse if you transform while over 50% BUT since he is A LOT better transformed when under 50% he is then a lot better transformed and you can transform him whenever
When under 50% if he is just straight up way better, i dont think he should be on this list so
You literally just restated the point I said in the video lol. He is only better if he is under 50% HP… tell me how often are you under 50% HP? Especially with all the healing units we have and how weak bosses normals are so you basically just get one shot by supers. You almost are never just sitting at under 50% HP therefore almost every common instance it is worse to transform Frieza
@@legendaryred24 You are under 50% quite a decent amount of times actually, literally many units will take like 350k from a super, then you are under 50%
Do you really think its some rare scenario like 5% of the time or something? lol
I would say its at least 30% of the time and maybe even 50% of the time
Literally in a run after one super you can be below 50% for multiple turns, after 2 supers too easily
Simply, i think he shouldnt be on the list, since when under 50%, something not that rare actually, it is just a straight up upgrade by a lot so
@@thevipez8740 Idk what you are doing then, people complain that it is almost impossible to be under 70% HP all the time and I agree it isn't easy at all. Yet now it is magically easy to hit under 50% HP, which it really isn't. Again I don't know what you are doing in your runs, but it is usually full HP to death and the lowest you normally get is probably just a little under 80% HP. From what I have seen from others and from myself getting under 70% HP is almost impossible, being below 50% HP is just not a common thing, Maybe for you tho.
@@legendaryred24 I think better units to have on the list maybe is STR cooler where he gains a lot more damage, but becomes worse defensively and cant stack anymore
Also TEQ Gohan too sort of, as Teq Gohan goes from being able to quad super to 3 and not stacking anymore, so arguably worse, but it gives him a one turn advantage so
@@legendaryred24 Literally go to any of datruths most recent videos youll find dozens of examples of him being below 50%
also under 70% is difficult? no? all you need it to just take one super lol
" but it is usually full HP to death"
no its not, the best units in the game that you put in front of the supers dont die, they take some couple 100k damage, take transforming vegeta for example
" From what I have seen from others and from myself getting under 70% HP is almost impossible"
this is just negative bias fallacy, you didnt get it one time, so you pretend you never get it
this is literally the same as people who say mui goku NEVER dodges for them, when no he literally does, its just that you can only think about the times he didnt and not the times he did
I used a lot Phy god goku(F2P account) and the ammount of times i used his active skill are 10
Why 10? Autoplay, i really used it like 0 times
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You talked abouth frieza for his dubuff and 30% dodge and then for all the video you just debunked your own statement: agl trunks the debuff is not use full cause mostly of bosses are immune, and with other character better having damage reduction over dodge chance seems a bit inconsistent
You have to realize a few things here. The debuff is not carrying base Frieza, nor does it lock half of his kit. It is just an add on that could proc and if it does cool. Other characters are DR over dodge yes, but I said it over and over again Golden Frieza’s DR only activates under 50% HP which is not very easy to get to. Frieza has unconditional 30% dodge versus have locked out 50% DR. So most of the time Golden Frieza relies on raw stats while base Frieza has dodge all the time which is way better
Hey i know this is crazy but am i the only thinking that phy ssj goku has a missing stuff in his passive
He should be lol.
@@legendaryred24 like I remember that I was doing a cell max event before the anniversary and he super 2 times and got double digits and he had 300k like maybe he secretly has 59% reduction or something
@@kataveonevans6224 maybe no clue but it ain’t showing lol
@@legendaryred24 what if the devs done that to troll players?
@@kataveonevans6224 imagine💀, just delete a part of the passive for fun
i got ptsd from the godku reddit copypasta
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Kinda yeah. His transformation is like the last hurrah nuke to finish off the enemy rather then the goal. So he’s pretty different from other transforming units in that sense
Bro o hope i dont see the phy godku copy pasta here
People keep mentioning Godku copy pasta... what in the world is the God Goku copy pasta?
Idc what you all say frieza has one of the best art in the game
lowkey he does
i hate units like these soooo much 😭😭😭
Fr lol
I don't mind if it's an active skill transformation
@@justindai8401 i mean sure but it is still dumb, why even design these units this way in the first place
@@legendaryred24 like you said, if it's a finisher.
@@justindai8401 Yeah that is true, but I mean you rarely are gonna use it. Not that you won't, but it is not common thing people should be using.
I mean trunks is only good for the transformation and sa for me
Yeah I mean if you wanna see the animations he is only good for that
@@legendaryred24 basically
I genuinely don't get the appeal for this game
Not everyone will🤷🏻♂️
Yo do you have a discord or smth ? It would be great if so man
Check the newest community post.